Tuesday, October 19, Duggar Diagnosis

It's a bittersweet time for the Duggars as Michelle finds out that her gallbladder, an initial cause of Josie's premature birth, may need more medical attention than originally thought.
30 minutes

74 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am trying to understand why having problems with your gallbladder would be considered bittersweet.

Anonymous said...

You go Michelle! Get rid of that evil gallbladder!

msrylee said...

Anon 1140h. I'm having the same difficulty understanding this situation. What makes a nasty gallbladder, perhaps with stones, bittersweet?

bonehead said...

Why bittersweet: she can't get pregnant, or was advised not getting pregnant, with the gallbladder problem. It would be dangerous for her to be pregnant, and have your gallbladder act up.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Cholecystecomy as entertainment??

Give me a break, TLC.

pumpkin said...

The preview I just saw had Michelle in a wheelchair looking pretty miserable and in pain. I hope that she is okay, she has a bunch of blessings at home that need her.

Anonymous said...

I thought bittersweet as in BItter- Michelle will have to have the gallbladder out but Sweet- the pain will be gone. That's how I felt about mine.

Cassandra said...

I think bittersweet because Josie was the sweet thing that came of the original gallbladder problem, but the problem is back now, so it's bitter!? Just my take.

Kitten said...

Well, unless she has some serious medical issues other than the gallbladder, this will be another "much ado about nothing" show. Had my gallbladder out last year - checked in, had the surgery, home by early afternoon. Worked at home for a few days, then went back to a full schedule of work and physical activity.

Will be interesting to see just how much of a crisis TLC tries to make out of this. They're doing a whole show on the Roloffs' dog, so I think they've just plain started to run out of ideas.

The management said...

Dear overly snarky anonymous. Please, just stop wasting your time writing the comments if you can't dial it back. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

when do they show previews. i havent seen them in the first airing?

bonehead said...

Anonymous, you would have to watch TLC, any of the programs , and they run the commercials for, shows coming up. So, now her gallbladder is out, the pregnancy, announcement, if there is one, will be soon.

Anonymous said...

Maybe this trauma on her body will lessen her ability to conceive. When she was pregnant with Jordyn, she really seemed to think that Jordyn could be her last pregnancy. Sometimes, women sort of "know" when their fertility is coming to an end. Light cycles, skipping months, etc. I really hope she just no longer has the ability to get pregnant. I hope josie is the last duggar baby.

Bubbles said...

The wording is definitely strange in this episode description. Maybe "bittersweet" refers to the fact that Michelle is again experiencing the gallbladder issues which may have contributed to Josie's premature birth (bitter) but at least this time Josie is safe and sound at home (sweet)??

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I think bitter sweet means it will be sweet to have it out as to eliminate the pain that it may cause in the future.

Anonymous said...

Oh No Cousin Amy... Time to change ths channel... Her make-up... She looked so orange!!! To much bronzer, Cousin Amy...

Anonymous said...

Another boring episode of miscellaneous stuff thrown together into one episode.

Is it cutting room floor clean up time or something?

Sue said...

Michelle is a grown woman. Does she really need Jim Bob at her gallbladder appointment? He should be home raising HIS children instead of using the servants.

Marlene said...

Gallbladder issues and surgery are not rare occurrences. What a boring episode.

Anonymous said...

Ha - when Jim Bob came home, he laid down the rules: try to take care of things around the house. LOL. Business as usual.

Anonymous said...

Jill and Jana's hair looked awful. It had been looking better lately, especially Jana's, up until tonight.

I'm also really getting irritated with them saying "whenever" instead of when.

I was also kind of annoyed that Michelle tried so hard to not get her gallbladder taken out. That's a serious thing that many women go through, and it just goes to show how naive she was that she thought she could go without having it taken out after seeing that stone.

Anonymous said...

saying Whenever instead of when is common in the south. So I don't really seeing them suddenly stopping that.

Anonymous said...

Does Michelle really need JB at doctors' appointments as her interpreter or does he have to be there to make sure Michelle is not defrauding the doctor?

Anonymous said...

Why shouldn't Jim Bob go to the doctors appointment? Michelle said she was in a lot of pain. I wouldn't want her passing out at the wheel. Jim Bob is such a good husband and dad. He's also extremely lucky to not have to work. If you're going to bring that many kids into the world you better have enough money to stay home and help. I hope this wasn't snarky cause I don't know what that is.

Nancy said...

Why have the title bits for the last few episodes, save Deep Dish Duggars, been held until the last segment (or two) of the show? I really didn't need to see the ATI camp (never ID'ed as Gothard) or the Howlers playing pranks on people who could have heart attacks if startled badly enough. I don't find that very respectful to any "elder," especially their own relatives.

Can't they blast the stone so the patient can pass it in smaller pieces or is that just kidney stones? Even if it couldn't be blasted, Michelle was pretty adamant about keeping it until the doctor mentioned it could hinder her chances of having more children. Her jaw dropped to the floor with that pronouncement.

So yet again, God intervenes, and Michelle is free to conceive #20 (as of August, when they filmed this...confirmed by Anna saying Mack was 10 months old).

Ugh, when is enough enough already? Just because one can conceive, doesn't mean they should.

Amy may use self-tanner, but I've read her facebook enough to know she is a consummate sun-worshiper. She'll have her first botox done around age 30, I'd wager.

Anonymous said...

"Michelle is a grown woman. Does she really need Jim Bob at her gallbladder appointment? He should be home raising HIS children instead of using the servants."

Maybe Jim Bob wanted to be there with his wife when she had a somewhat serious condition and needed him. Lots of husbands and wives want to be there with their spouses.

As for the supposed servants, there are like 15 other people in that house other than the poor abused Elder girls who supposedly just work so much and do 90% of work supposedly and manage to keep their hair and makeup so nicely done all day which is not the way an actual maid or housekeeper looks at all.

Michelle and Jim Bob can't be there for their kids all the time, in my opinion no parent can. I didn't see a thing wrong with him being there for his wife.

Anonymous said...

Amy looked like a "hot mess" Bloated and orange.. Thank God they did not have much of her in this episode..

Anonymous said...

I've been to a couple of doctor's appointments in my life regarding semi-serious issues, that I went by myself to because I thought it was silly to have my husband come, because I was a "big girl". I regretted it afterwards, because having my husband there would have been a wonderful support during a potentially stressful time. Sure a woman can go to any appointment she needs to alone, but if you have a supportive husband who is willing to come with you, why not bring him? Isn't that one of the benefits of being married and having a spouse? Especially since Michelle was in pain, that was no time for JimBob to be sending her off alone. I think it's great he was there.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a fan of Jim Bob, but I really do not see any problem with him going to the doctor with Michelle, especially if she was in pain and didn't want to drive alone.

I had to have a biopsy last year and was quite nervous. I was happy that my husband came with me. The only difference was that he did not come into the room with me during the procedure. (It was negative, BTW)

Anonymous said...

I am no Duggar fan but also saw no problem with Jim Bob going with Michelle to that appointment. In fact, for many non-routine appointments, it's good to have another set of ears, because the patient doesn't always hear everything properly (being scared and all).

I was shocked that those little boys wanted to scare all those old relatives. Can you imagine if the poppers had actually worked on some 80 year old? Ridiculous how there is no discipline in that house.

Anonymous said...

Are you supposed to spray sunblock directly at your face like jimbob was doing to the boys during the canoeing part? Any time I've used spray stuff, I spray it on my hands and wipe it where I need it on my face.

Just doesn't seem like something that should be sprayed on your face like that. But with the way the duggar men spray hairspray all over, it's not surprising.

Swissmiss said...

Well, if there was one person out of a million viewers who was not sure if Michelle and Jim Bob would still be willing to have a 20th child, last night certainly answered that, didn't it.

My, Michelle's body has been through the wringer.

I'm glad her surgery was successful, but for crying out loud, ENOUGH kids. Have some consideration for those you have already brought into the world and need an upbringing.

Anonymous said...

I don't think we can assume that Michelle had the surgery in August just because we heard Anna say that Mack was 10 months at the reunion. I think that this episode was a cut and slice of different family happenings during the summer - so maybe Michelle had the surgery earlier than August?

Also, I do not find anything wrong with Michele's comments about not wanting the surgery - seems pretty normal, even for someone who's had surgery before. And I feel that Jim Bob has always been supportive of Michele, so of course he'd go with her to a surgeon's consultation.

Anonymous said...

(I'm the person who brought up JB at doctors' appointments.) My objection to him being there is that he seems to serve as an "interpreter", as in he talks to the doctor as Michelle sits there wide eyed while the men discuss her condition. If I can inject a personal narrative to this, a few weeks ago I needed to go to the ER with what turned out to be second degree burns on all of the fingers of my left hand. My husband drove me (of course)but once we were there I was the one interacting with the medical professionals as to my pain, what treatments there would be, etc. I didn't need any help from him even though I will guarantee you I was in as much pain as Michelle was.

Anonymous said...

As an OB/GYN I've come across many women with gallstones. If they have a blocked bile duct or an infection and are schedules for a C-section I always recommend doing it at the same time. As long as the mom is in good shape it adds only about 20-30 minutes to the surgery. I was very distressed when she agreed on the surgery only after the surgeon told her it wouldn't be a good idea to have more children. Obviously I haven't treated Michelle but I do have a feeling she has some type of mental illness. When she's pregnant she seems to be in an almost manic state. I truly hope she doesn't conceive again. I worry about her, an unborn child and the children she already has. I think her and Jim Bob live in a "la-la" land where they believe nothing bad will ever happen.

Anonymous said...

I thought Jim Bob was being supportive of Michelle by going with her. I would go with my husband to see the doctor is potential surgery was involved. I have to say that Josie looks great! I burst into tears the first time we saw her in the incubator. To see her now so healthy and a little roly poly was great!

Anonymous said...

It's really too bad they didn't take her uterus out along with her gallbladder.

Budget Confidential said...

I didn't think Michelle agreed to the surgery until she woke up in the middle of the night in terrible pain. Not because of the 'more kids' issue. If that was the only reason, she would have agreed to the surgery when it was first presented to her.

Anonymous said...

I'm usually one of the people hurling rocks at the Duggars, but I will wil down my weapons for once and say that Josie looks great and is truly a miracle. I am so happy to see her thriving.

Ok - now back to my rock-slinging. Michelle has had two C-sections and gallbladder surgey in 20 months. I can't even imagine what that must have done to her body, especially the effect on all the muscles in her stomach area. Baby #20 could be a C-section too. I can't even imagine that. Enough already. Shut down the baby assembly line and close the factory before something really bad happens.

Anonymous said...

We don't know that Michelle agreed to the surgery only after she was advised not to have more children without having the surgery. I'd have to watch again to be 100% sure, but I remember that they had the consultation, then Jim Bob discussed Michelle having another episode of bad pain and then she had the surgery. Another episode of pain may very well have made the decision easier for her, not just the fact that she was advised not to get pregnant again without the surgery.

Anonymous said...

Poor Jim being forgotten. LOL
Jim is my favorite Duggar.

Kitten said...

Michelle has had two C-sections and gallbladder surgey in 20 months. I can't even imagine what that must have done to her body, especially the effect on all the muscles in her stomach area.

Disclaimer: I don't watch the show anymore, so I don't know if the surgery was discussed in detail, but...most gallbladder surgeries now are done with laparoscopic techniques that don't involve cutting muscles or nerves. I ended up with four small incisions, each about 1 inch long, that only needed surgical glue (no stitches). Recovery time is minimal, barring any complications. I was back to full, vigorous workouts within two weeks.

AS for the C-sections, I had two, 12 months apart, and the recovery time for both was about the same (barring the lack of sleep from having two children 12 months apart). There is no significant long-term effect on the stomach muscles--once they heal, they heal.

Of course, I hadn't had 17 other children previously, either! I'm sure that while her muscles would be fine, just the overall stretching of the abdominal ligaments again and again would eventually take their toll, regardless of the type of delivery. That said, I don't think having a flat, toned stomach is at the top of Michelle's priority list.

shawna said...

Michelle's poor body. If I were her, I would be so tired of dealing with pregnancy, breastfeeding, gallstones, etc etc etc. I would just want my body to myself for a while. (I am undoubtedly more selfish than her)

Jim Bob and Michelle are starting to look a little old these days. I think they look awesome for their age - I just think they do not look like two people that should be getting pregnant again.

I think the Duggars have some extremely flawed ideas, but it is so nice to see such well-behaved children. I recently watched a re-run of the Gosselins, and boy, it made me appreciate the Duggars a little more. I'd rather watch excessive kissing than excessive screaming between parents.

Anonymous said...

I think Michelle had the surgery in August or later because Jim Bob said she was having pain during the reunion so that confirms she didn't have the gallbladder surgery before the reunion.

Anonymous said...

The part with Michelle having the shocked/concerned look on her face after the doctor says "you have to have your gallbladder out if you ever want to have another baby" was SO edited in there. They spliced those two moments together to make it look like that was Michelle's reaction to the doctor's statement. How annoying! Just give us the facts of how it really went down please, not contrived and manipulative editing.

msrylee said...

I have empathy for Michelle regarding gallbladder and stone issues. After having mine removed, I felt great (after healing took place). The pain is terrible and unrelenting prior to surgery.

Now, please get on with the 'show'. Enough of the gallbladder stuff.

Alberta Rose said...

I had gallbladder problems. When I saw on the show when Michelle said her belief was that whatever body parts you were born with, you should keep I thought "Ohh, it must flared up and she changed her mind." I got fast tracked for surgery due to a severe flare up. I wasn't surprised that she changed her mind about surgery. As for Jim Bob coming with her to most doctor's appointment, I find I do much better with my husand along.

Hannah Leah said...

I have a question. If Michelle had issues with her galballder. Why didnt they just remove it when doing Josies c-section.

Josie does look better, but I stll didnt trust all the people(esp the baby) around her and touching her.

Molly said...

Have really enjoyed seeing the older girls highlighted more. I think they are all darling and Jim Bob and Michelle have every right to be proud of them.

Anonymous said...

Medically speaking, if gall bladder removal is required, it is required. Period. It has NOTHING to do with wanting to have more children or not wanting to have more children. This seems just a TLC ploy to amp up the drama and the controversy about a 40 Something woman continuing to court the idea of a 20th child.

Anonymous said...

I only watched a few minutes of this episode. It was all I could take. But I did get to hear JimBob going on and on about how much the boys love camping and how it's a dream vacation for boys. He's so stereotypical. Can't girls like camping? I sure did growing up. And what if a boy doesn't like camping?

Anonymous said...

I was touched when JimBob spoke about his love and respect for Michelle during this episode. He seemed very sincere and emotional about it, almost like he was about to cry. You can say what you want about JimBob Duggar, but he is a good and loving husband. While he certainly isn't the only good husband in the world, they aren't a dime a dozen either.

Anonymous said...

The camping trip the boys went on in this case was a "boys only" trip
which apparently included fathers. In this case it would be natural for Jim Bob to speak of his boys loving camping but not about his girls.

The hope is that Michelle does some mother/daughter activities to even things up. On the other hand, Jim Bob has done some father/daughter activities with his older girls. Mother/son activities seem to be rare in our society so maybe Michelle is the one being left out of the fun!

Anonymous said...

..."You can say what you want about JimBob Duggar, but he is a good and loving husband."

@@@@@@

JimBob said on national television that Michelle brought "baggage" to their marriage because she had dated other boys in high school.

A good and loving husband does not disparage his wife on television (or anywhere else for that matter).

Lola said...

An emergency c-section is done by a gynocologist while the mother is awake. A gall bladder removal is done by a general surgeon while under general anesthesia. Michelle had high blood pressure so I think the 2nd surgery would have been too much. She had it removed laproscopically- I don't think they can inflate the abdomen and put the camera and instruments inside her minutes after she had a c-section!

Anonymous said...

When I saw on the show when Michelle said her belief was that whatever body parts you were born with, you should keep . . .
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Did she say this? (I no longer watch the show, but I do like to read this forum from time to time). That particular belief is odd to me. Does she feel that if you have a burst appendix, it should stay in? What about impacted wisdom teeth that are making the rest of your teeth crooked? Should they also remain in, although they serve no real purpose?

What if one of her children were born with a cleft palate. That's a body part they were born with, yet modern medicine can correct that problem now. Should the child "keep the body part it was born with"?

I don't understand her reasoning, unless she was just afraid of having the surgery. (Although wasn't it laproscopic, meaning it really wasn't invasive surgery at all?)

Jen said...

"The camping trip the boys went on in this case was a "boys only" trip
which apparently included fathers. In this case it would be natural for Jim Bob to speak of his boys loving camping but not about his girls."

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Oh good point.

I was originally thinking he meant boys love this stuff girls don't love it. A gender thing. But taking in the context of where he was that does change the comment.

When I was on the mother daughter camp out and loving canoeing etc just like the camp out the boys were on. I would of said something along the lines of this being a dream mother/daughter trip..
While hubby on a father son camp out might have said the same thing that Jim Bob did not meaning that us girls didn't love doing the same stuff also.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Anonymous said...

Michelle was saying that she believes you should keep all the organs you're born with - if at all possible, not at all costs. Makes sense to me. Obviously she wasn't saying she thinks you should keep them all no matter what, or she wouldn't have agreed to the gallbladder removal. She was just understandably reluctant to have it removed if it wasn't absolutely necessary. That's what I took her comments to mean.

Sharla said...

19 Kids and Counting (9pm)
- 1.378 million viewers
- 0.9/1 HH
- 0.6/2 A18-49

Sorry the ratings are late. It's been busy the last two weeks.

CappuccinoLife said...

When I saw on the show when Michelle said her belief was that whatever body parts you were born with, you should keep . . .
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You know, I saw that and it was so clearly a small clip of a larger conversation. It sounded to me that she was explaining her preferences (I too, generally prefer to keep my body parts). I'd be very interested to hear the question that she was responding too, and the rest of what she said. Was she talking about pre-emptive removal of things, just in case? Of course, we don't get to see that because they have to make sure they only use the "juicy" stuff in the episodes.


Since she did, in fact, have it out, obviously she was open to facts changing her opinion, no matter what her preferences or past beliefs might have been.

Celestie said...

I think most of us would like to keep our body parts as long as we can.. I don't think Michelle was saying anything strange.

anonymous said...

Laparoscopic surgery most certainly is invasive surgery. It might be minimally invasive but all complications of any open surgery still apply to any laparoscopic surgery. I am a surgical RN first assistant. As for knowing what God wants for the Duggar’s or for any other person, myself included, is egotistical. I don’t know what God’s will is in my life so how could I tell the Duggar’s what God wants them to do? I too believe Michelle was saying she wants to keep all the body parts God gave her but when they stop working or become damaged in some way then she is willing to have them removed. I think comparing her statement to an abscessed tooth or a ruptured appendix is not appropriate. Due to editing I really don’t take to heart too much of what I see or hear because so much is out of context. And this is to be expected in a so-called reality show, it isn’t really real at all.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree, I don't blame Michelle for wanting to keep her body parts unless they absolutely need to be removed.

Anonymous said...

The other baby is very young, and wasn't held by many people, other than his mama, during the reunion. Josie's safety comes first, and trust me when I say that if the other baby had any sniffles, Josie wouldn't have been around him.

Anonymous said...

We have no way of knowing anything about this other baby. If I had a sick preemie, no way would she be lying next to another baby, holding hands (after that baby had had his hands in his mouth).

We can only hope that Josie is finally developing a good immune system. With the way that family invites every Tom, Dick and Harry over, she's going to need it.

MO4 said...

The other baby is very young, and wasn't held by many people, other than his mama, during the reunion. Josie's safety comes first, and trust me when I say that if the other baby had any sniffles, Josie wouldn't have been around him

I am sure you are right about that.The Duggars seem to be taking all the correct precautions when it comes to exposing Josie to germs.

Anonymous said...

As a nurse I would like to bring up the importance of Josie not only being protected from germs but also having opportunities to see and interact with others including members of her extended family. She has had eight months to work on developing an immune system, she also needs to be bonding and learning to be part of a family. One is just as important to the ultimate health of the child as the other. We just don't raise children in sterile environments. That's what they did with the Dionne Quintuplets, only in thier case it was more of a sterile fishbowl, and it was a disaster. by the time they finally met their biological family neither they nor their siblings wanted anything to do with each other.

Anonymous said...

Speaking as an MD a child doesn't have to have the sniffles to pass on germs. I've seen Josie's siblings picking their noses, walking on countertops, etc and that's just what we see on film. I would hate to see what is edited out. My other concern is the lack of baby proofing the house. Every time I see Jordyn sliding head first down the stairs I cringe. I'm just waiting for her to sustain a serious neck injury.

Anonymous said...

Read any book that deals with caring or parenting a premature baby. As the baby gets older and stabilizes (as Josie is now) they NEED to be exposed to everyday germs in the home and with immediate family members. Siblings with colds and viruses should be kept from physical contact such as face to face or kissing, etc and should wash their hands more frequently but Josie will never develop her immune system if she isn't exposed to her environment. The most common phrase I've read in these books (I worked in a NICU for two years) is "Don't confuse good hygiene with sterility". Unless a visibly sick child or adult is sneezing in Josie's face or giving her a bunch of sloppy kisses, LET IT GO. We can argue til the cows come home about whether or not she should have 18 brothers and sisters but in the end the reality is she does, and all of them need to bond and interact without an obsessive fear of germs as a constant companion.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that Jim is a good and loving husband a all. Every time he impregnates her, at this stage of the game, I think he is putting her life in jeopardy. If she doesn't take responsibility for birth control, maybe he should. A little self control

Of course if something did happen to Michelle, It would be fully expected that the older siblings would be giving up their own young lives and helping Jim Bob out.

After all, their lives are not so important. They are just born to become a helpmate. They have no input into what happens in the home but will certainly have to deal with the fallout. So keep on having children and make sure your children will be shackeleledto y

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I doubt if the Duggars think that being born to be a helpmate is a bad thing. Most likley all of the Duggars will eventually become a help mate and being a help mate that acutally has been raised to put others first and be helpful is a good thing in their belief system. Michelle often talks about the importance of serving one another. Personally I agree that the "serving" one another pracitice is a good thing and any child who developes this skill is way ahead of the game of life.

Anonymous said...

I think those who are worried about the other baby touching Josie are referencing the "2-year bubble" Michelle was instructed-- by her NICU doctors-- to keep Josie in.

Everyone has different opinions on raising kids and how to handle the "germ" situation. When it comes to Josie, we don't know what her parents actually do to protect her from germs...a reality show is not a glass house. We can only judge by what is shown to us-- and what we've been shown is that Josie needs protection from germs, and that a normal baby (with normal exposure to germs) was touching Josie.

Maybe the baby was scrubbed before his hands touched Josie's; maybe Josie's doctors told Michelle that Josie can have limited exposure to germs, now that she's stabilized. We don't know unless they tell us.

Personally, I was more worried that it seemed like anyone (at the party) could come up and see Josie-- but only in singles or pairs, as though that would curtail their germ-spreading potential. I wanted to yell at my TV-- it doesn't matter if people see her in a group or one-on-one-- they're still going to expose her to germs!

Anonymous said...

Should Josie be able to sit up by herself at this point? I have no experience with preemies but she still seems very small and new-bornish for size (although my kids were all born at weights between 8 and 10 pounds so I'm comparing Josie to my mooses I guess). If Michelle was trying to rest why is she still in the same room with Josie - shouldn't she be resting somewhere quiet and have someone else watching and picking up Josie?

Anonymous said...

Speaking as someone who was there, not everyone was invited to join in on Josie's version of the family reunion. :) There was lots of hand sanitizer and washing of hands, and making sure that nobody had a cold or anything.

That being said, Josie's immune system won't get stronger if she's never exposed to "normal" germs.