Free Discussion October 2010

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, or personal stories. If you wish to discuss other TLC shows, please visit TLCwithoutpity.blogspot.com. Thank you!

98 comments:

Anonymous said...

For those of us that don't have cable, does anyone know where we can find the episodes? Even up to the end of last season, TLC had them on their website, albeit a week or so after they aired. Now I can't find them; TLC seems to have stopped putting full episodes online. Anyone, anyone? I can't afford cable, but like everyone else, I'm addicted to this train-wreck of a show!

Kay said...

Random question: Do the Duggers do anything for Halloween? I've been watching their show since the first specials and don't recall any discussion of Halloween.

Anonymous said...

We buy the episodes on amazon for $1.89 each. Not sure if that helps you, we don't do cable either.

Anonymous said...

In an early episode, Michelle said the family doesn't celebrate Halloween. They have a "fall festival" or something like that, basically a family party and they celebrate autumn time by going to pumpkin patches, things of that nature. I actually got the idea from her last year, since I hate Halloween, and my kids and I did that last year instead of the whole Halloween thing, and they loved it! We might do it again this year too.

Allison said...

You can also buy them for $1.99 on iTunes, but at that cost, you might as well buy cable.

Anonymous said...

For halloween they don't celebrate it. In an episode a while back Michelle explained how because of the whole spirts and ghost thing they choose not to.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I'm pretty sure they don't to Halloween because of it being associated with the Devil.

Anonymous said...

You can buy a season pass on amazon. its about the price of a tv show box set.

I am not sure if ave it for the Duggars.

You can also look on youtube, they are often put up but in low quailty somtimes.

Sharla said...

It may be multiple people or simply one person submitting a lot of comments, but please note the ones telling people commenting to stop picking the Duggars apart, you people here need to "whatever," and similar comments are inappropriate and are rejected without further thought when I am on duty and are removed if I see any slipped through. Please quit wasting your time and ours trying to tell other people how to think, act, and comment. New readers might want to read our rules and some of the posts at the top of the blog about being kind and polite to the other readers. Also comments of you must be watching a different show are inappropriate. Thank you all very much for reading.

Anonymous said...

In some of the episodes leading up to Josie's birth it seems as if Michelle did a lot of traveling/public appearances. I have no mefical knowledge and I am curious if anyone may be able to answer my question...could all of her exertion caused or aggravated her preeclampsia?

Anonymous said...

I dont believe that the Duggars celebrate Halloween since its about witches, goblins, and that sort of thing. I have seen many conservative Christian groups celebrate "Harvesttime" with games, dressups, and so on.HTH

Anonymously L&D RN said...

"In some of the episodes leading up to Josie's birth it seems as if Michelle did a lot of traveling/public appearances. I have no mefical knowledge and I am curious if anyone may be able to answer my question...could all of her exertion caused or aggravated her preeclampsia?"

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It is extremely doubtful that the exertion, aggravation, stress were the sole causes of Mrs. Duggar's pre-eclampsia.

However, those are precisely the things medical personnel attempt to lessen for a pre-eclamptic mom, whose blood pressure is soaring out of control.

I know all about "The show must go on," but spending this critical time self interviewing to a TLC camera in her face was beyond odd. I am extremely doubtful the physicians and RNs in charge of Mrs. Duggar at that time were enthusiastically in agreement with Mrs. Duggar's decision to spend this time as she did, rather than the usual medical goals of eliminating exertion, aggravation, stress for the at-risk mom and her baby.

Hard to say if this Duggar choice was ignorance at play or poor priority setting. Either way, it was taking unnecessary risk to herself AND her extremely premature 'blessing,' which gives cause for serious question of the Duggars' intelligence and/or motives.

Lola said...

Usually if your blood pressure starts going up during pregnancy you are encouraged to take it easy. I know with my 2nd pregnancy the doctor told me to rest and not do much housework since my bp was creeping up. Michelle had a lot going on for a 19th pregnancy and taping a show while in the hospital.

Anonymous said...

Hard to say if this Duggar choice was ignorance at play or poor priority setting. E
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I think Michelle loves the camera and talking to it, as much as Jim Bob loves saving a dollar.

Anonymous said...

I'm an OB/GYN and I agree with the RN. I'm afraid I would have kicked the film crew out if I had a patient as sick as Michelle was. Any time a patient has elevated blood pressure I advise bed rest and a quiet, peaceful atmosphere. I hope Michelle doesn't get pregnant again. I truly fear for her health and that of any unborn children.

msrylee said...

I also hope that Michelle doesn't get pregnant again. Both the life of her unborn child and her own could be in jeopardy again. I realize that the situation with Josie may never happen again in a future pregnancy, but it certainly could.

What will happen to Josie and her needs if Michelle is 'expecting' again? I know the sister-mommies would do their best with her care, but her needs are very different than any of the previous babies.

Anonymous said...

I noticed in the episodes leading up to Josie's birth Michelle is traveling a lot and making a lot of public appearances...could her lack of rest made her preeclampsia worse? I have no medical knowledge and I am just curious what role exertion plays in a complicated pregnancy.

Anonymous said...

I sincerely hope that Michelle will not consider becoming pregnant with #20. Each pregnancy must take its toll. Michelle is not a teenager anymore. Who knows what will happen. As an older sibling of a large family, I know what it is like to lose a mother at a young age. That experience changes everything. The remainder of your life is considerably altered. It would be so unfair to the younger children. The burden on the older girls would be debilitating. I think that all factors should be considered when the decision to add more children to the family is taken and common sense should prevail.

Anonymous said...

IMHO, Jimbob could consider the goal as doing their best to fulfill the contract terms, just to keep the TLC relationship sweet.

Sure he felt divine protection was a given, despite Michelle's illness, as they continued filming.

My hunch is they are medical sheep in terms of understanding in a very true way, the risks, dangers, etc. of illness - not an acceptable excuse, but a pointing our that they believe they are the chosen ones who will always be protected, etc.

Anonymous said...

Watching this show makes me want to have less children, not more. Seriously.

When they showed the laundry room overflowing with laundry after a long road trip, I literally gasped out loud. It was overwhelming just to look at.

I want to see an episode where Michelle does everything she's "supposed" to do as a mother. That means bathing, changing diapers, brushing teeth, making breakfast, teaching school lessons, cleaning toilets, doing the laundry, and fixing supper. All the while, interacting with her children on a personal level. Does that seem impossible? Yes. To me, that proves that they've had too many children. It has just gotten to a ridiculous point. Contrary to Michelle's infamous quote from an early episode, "saying there's too many children is like saying there's too many flowers"

Ahem.. there's too many flowers in that household.

Kitten said...

Contrary to Michelle's infamous quote from an early episode, "saying there's too many children is like saying there's too many flowers"

Well, I know what my flowerbeds look like when they get too crowded because I over-seeded, and I don't have time to weed out all the plants that don't belong there (unwelcome influences), add fertilizer (education), and water regularly (nourishment). The flowers are stunted, more susceptible to insect damage, and never produce the beautiful blossoms I was hoping for.

The Duggars have mentioned they're not much on gardening, so I'm not surprised that they don't make the connection.

Cyn said...

I want to see an episode where Michelle does everything she's "supposed" to do as a mother. That means bathing, changing diapers, brushing teeth, making breakfast, teaching school lessons, cleaning toilets, doing the laundry, and fixing supper.
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Why are all these jobs the "mothers" job or even the "parents" job?

If the parents are the only ones doing these jobs then how do the children learn how? Aren't these skills we are supposed to be teaching our children?

Anonymous said...

Kitten said...
Contrary to Michelle's infamous quote from an early episode, "saying there's too many children is like saying there's too many flowers"

Well, I know what my flowerbeds look like when they get too crowded because I over-seeded, and I don't have time to weed out all the plants that don't belong there (unwelcome influences), add fertilizer (education), and water regularly (nourishment). The flowers are stunted, more susceptible to insect damage, and never produce the beautiful blossoms I was hoping for.

The Duggars have mentioned they're not much on gardening, so I'm not surprised that they don't make the connection
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Bravo, Kitten, What a brilliant analogy and so apt!

Sharla said...

We are not going to talk again about the bogus Nova article that based on some confused gossip said that Michelle was pregnant. Please quit trying to send it through. Thank you very much.

Anonymous said...

"Why are all these jobs the "mothers" job or even the "parents" job?

If the parents are the only ones doing these jobs then how do the children learn how? Aren't these skills we are supposed to be teaching our children?"

There's a difference between a child helping their mother do household chores, and a child being the only way her mother can survive daily life. In this situation, the mother and father have wilfully created a situation where the household would not function without the daughter's heavy workload.

I did not spend my young adulthood cleaning my parent's house and caring for my parent's children.. yet I am now a wife and mother, and I learned just fine.

Cyn said...

In this situation, the mother and father have wilfully created a situation where the household would not function without the daughter's heavy workload.
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Personally I don't see a heavy workload, I see 15 people sharing the work load among themselves. With the laundry there are 3 grown adults (Michelle, g'ma and a neighbor friend), helping with it before the first daughter steps in to help as well.

Once a child is taught how to do the things does that mean now the child doesn't have to do it any more simply because they now know how?

Laundry Lion said...

Cyn said....

Personally I don't see a heavy workload, I see 15 people sharing the work load among themselves. With the laundry there are 3 grown adults (Michelle, g'ma and a neighbor friend), helping with it before the first daughter steps in to help as well.
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When was the last time Michelle did any work? It has been mentioned that Grandma helps with the laundry.

Aside from the laundry the girls are still doing the majority (ALL) of the cooking, cleaning, diapering, feeding.

And if the Duggars wanted their children to learn how to do household chores why aren't the older boys ever on cooking, cleaning, diapering, etc?

Cyn said...

And if the Duggars wanted their children to learn how to do household chores why aren't the older boys ever on cooking, cleaning, diapering, etc?
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Until the last episode or so we didn't know the GIRLS were doing the diapering because it hadn't been shown on the air.

Last season just after Josie was born we watched both older and younger boys helping with the Christmas baking (in fact there was uproar over the 'unsanitary' conditions).

I realize the current thought is if it's not shown on the show it must not be happening, but I've seen enough of them actually helping and being called to help (boys and girls) to know that ALL of them help each other, not just the oldest 4 girls doing all the work.

Bottom line my personal thought on the matter is IF Michelle and JimBob did nothing all day long but sit on their butts and let the kids do all the work 1) they'd both be A LOT fatter than they are with the food they eat 2) the film crew wouldn't like them as much as they do 3) the information would be leaking out as it did with Kate and that mess.

I don't think the Duggars are perfect NOR do they walk on water, but they have not made slaves out of their girls so they can do nothing but sit back and make the next one either. The family would have imploded by now if that was the case.

Anonymous said...

Personally I don't see a heavy workload, I see 15 people sharing the work load among themselves. With the laundry there are 3 grown adults (Michelle, g'ma and a neighbor friend), helping with it before the first daughter steps in to help as well.

Once a child is taught how to do the things does that mean now the child doesn't have to do it any more simply because they now know how?
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I totally agree Cyn, to be completely honest, in the past couple episodes, I haven't seen this heavy workload that the girls do. In fact they have time to care about their hair and makeup and do perms and have girl time.

I also agree that the housework is not just Michelle and Jim Bob's job at all. I always keep in mind that the girls do live there rent free in a nicer house than they would if they lived on their own. It's not too much to ask to take care of a sibling. I mean really, they could do worse. They could be living on their own having to do their own laundry, cook their own meals and clean their own house. This is why when teenagers get to college and have messy dorm rooms and poor time management skills, because their parents let them do whatever they wanted with no responsibility. I'm glad the Duggar children are taught responsibility and that the world doesn't revolve around them.

Also, just because we don't see Michelle running like a chicken with it's head cut off, doesn't mean she isn't doing anything. Wouldn't that be boring just to see Michelle run herself ragged?

Anonymous said...

Helping or doing chores is one thing. Literally doing ALL the parents' housework and childcare is another.

The family could not survive without the work of the girls (the boys---well, not so much).

Michelle and JIm bob should have no more children than they can raise by themselves. Unfortunately, it's too late now for them to exhibit common sense. They hoard children, and like a Crazy Cat Lady have become a Crazy Hoarding Children family.

Judy said...

So it's really okay for the oldest girls to be spending their late teens and early twenties running the household? I don't see the workload as equally spread over the family at all. The late teens and early twenites are supposed to be about discovery of one's self. Other than Jana and John David's trip this summer, I'm not seeing a lot of that being encouraged.

Anonymous said...

We've seen plenty of footage of the boys cleaning. Just off the top of my head, remember all the little boys vacuuming and picking up the house in Little Rock getting ready for Josie to come home? In a prior episode Joseph was shown mopping the floors downstairs with a wet vacuum thing. I also remember not too long ago Joy reminding one of her brothers, with some annoyance, that his job was to clean a particular bathroom that needed attention. There's also been numerous filmings of the little boys on garbage duty.

We really don't see much footage of anyone cleaning, boys or girls, but of what we have seen, we've seen the boys do a decent amount of cleaning. Haven't seen John do any cleaning, but then again I don't think he's home much. He has a towing business, is a firefighter, and does the maintenance work for the family's properties.

I tend to agree with the poster who said she sees a division of labor in the household that doesn't put an undue burden on anyone. People ask, "when was the last time we saw Michelle do any work?" Well, as I said before, we don't actually see footage of ANYONE doing much housework. The Duggars could have hired cleaners come in a couple of times a week and we wouldn't know. We dont' see any of the girls cleaning bathrooms, cleaning floors (exception - Swiffer Wetjet product placement!), vacuuming, dusting, washing dishes, etc. We have seen the girls, with grandma's help, and Michelle's as well, do laundry, and we know they cook meals. That's about it for what we ever actually see. We don't have enough evidence to conclude that the girls are overburdened with housework and that Michelle does nothing.

I do worry that the girls need to get out of the house more and have more outside interests. But I don't think at this point that the biggest problem in the girls' lives is that they are overburdened with household chores. I just haven't seen evidence of it.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I really don't mind the older girls doing housework. Michelle and Jim Bob raised their children to have a good work ethic? Who doesn't want thay in their children?

Anonymous said...

"So it's really okay for the oldest girls to be spending their late teens and early twenties running the household? I don't see the workload as equally spread over the family at all. The late teens and early twenites are supposed to be about discovery of one's self. Other than Jana and John David's trip this summer, I'm not seeing a lot of that being encouraged."
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I can understand and respect that you feel that it's not okay for them to be running a household.

To me, it's okay for them to help their parents out. It prepares them to be able to manage their own house, which they will eventually have to do. As said before, we really don't know the extent of what the Daughters actually do. I don't see much footage of them cleaning and cooking all the time either.

We also don't know for certain that they aren't being encouraged to find themselves and who they are. It just takes longer for some people to find out what they want to do.

For example, my husband didn't discover his desire to be a theater teacher and actor until his early 40's. He loves it now. Not everyone finds themselves and finds their passion in life during the prescribed late teens and early 20s, sometimes people find their passion in their 40's and even their 60's in some cases. The Duggar Daughters could be late bloomers in that area. Not because Michelle and Jim Bob discourage them from free thought, but that it just takes time.

I personally can't wait to see what they do with their lives whether it be a career or if they choose the seldom chosen stay at home, no career housewife path. Either way, it would be find with me, as long as they are happy.

Anonymous said...

"The late teens and early twenites are supposed to be about discovery of one's self. Other than Jana and John David's trip this summer, I'm not seeing a lot of that being encouraged."

Discovering oneself means different things to different people. Perhaps the Duggars feel that their older kids have already discovered themselves to a great degree. They wanted their kids to acquire certain characteristics by the time they were young adults, and from all appearances, they have accomplished that.

As far as discovering ones talents and interests go, that happens all throughout life, not exclusively during the teens and twenties. I know for myself, the older I got the more interests I developed and discoveries I've made about myself, and the things I was interested in when I was twenty are vastly different than they are now that I'm in my forties.

I don't think having household responsibilities is hampering the girls from "discovering themselves." Now if they are being forbidden by their parents regarding college, job explorations, etc. that would be a different story. But we don't know if that's happening. Some of us assume that it is, but we just don't know. I'd love to know the real story on that some day.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the girls doing housework. I would certainly agree that there is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching children to share in the running of their home. However, the older girls here are doing everything. They are essentially running the home. The cooking, washing and drying mounds of clothing, cleaning, caring for children who are not their responsibility. etc. etc. etc. It speaks volumes when a lovely young woman jumps at the chance to go on a trip with a bus full of almost strangers and drive another bus home with her father. Being away for a couple of days sure did appeal to her. For Heaven's sake, with the money being made, couldn't those young ladies get a little vacation away from the drudgery? Couldn't they have any fun?? I just don't think I can watch any more. Doesn't Michelle realize that the "God" who is sending her the "Blessings" would also expect her to assume responsibility for them!!!!

Anonymous said...

Things I've heard recently on episodes:

-"Jessa usually packs the clothes for the younger boys"

-"Jana fixed this lasagna meal"

-"Let's thank Jill for making lunch today"

-"The boys wouldn't think of doing that" (cleaning the house while the family was in LR)

-"Grandma did the laundry today"

-"Jinger and Jessa know more about that laundry room than I do" - Michelle, from "Big Family Meets Big Apple"

And so on. To clarify, I do NOT think Michelle or Jim Bob just "sit around and make the next one". I never meant to say that at all. I just think its unfair that the household would NOT continue to function without the girls. And if you don't believe me, re-watch the episode "Once a Bride, Always a Duggar" ... Michelle and Jim Bob openly admit that they are exhausted because the older girls were gone and they can't do it all by themselves.

Celestie said...

I always keep in mind that the girls do live there rent free in a nicer house than they would if they lived on their own.

We have heard this before. They are not living rent free, they are laboring for free and living where they work. The nice house is not so big when you have 22 people living in it, with no personal space. The girls might learn more useful skills by lving in a small apartment alone, or with a roommate. Learn to manage time, household chores and money without Michelle and Jim Bob as overseers and without chore packets.
Not all dorm rooms are messy. Many kids like order in their surroundings.
All kids who don't do daily cooking, cleaning, laundry, childcare are lazy. Some are studying and working outside the home in a paid or volunteer job(s)
Kids love to bake holiday cookies. Holiday cookies do not 3 meals a day, 375 days a year, make.
Michelle doing laundry for herself and the infant in LR, does not mean she is doing laundry at home. They have "jurisdictions" and as we know the main ones are manned by the older girls. Jim Bob even said child care was not his jurisdiction. The boys don't seem to have them. They have to put their pjs in the laundry and clean a bathroom from time to time. John's towing business can't be much of a business, since he was able to leave it for 6 weeks while he went to Southeast Asia.

My husband watched the show last night for the first time and asked me if any of the older kids went to college or had jobs? I said no, the girls keep the house running and who knows what the boys do. He shook his head.

Anonymous said...

My husband watches the show with me every week and he likes the Duggars. He does occasionally complain about something like Josh and Anna taking the baby on the Ferris wheel, but he sees nothing at all wrong with the girls doing laundry, cooking, etc. He and I both think that Michelle is probably doing more than is obvious. Things do seem to go smoother when she is home.

As for the boys, my husband used to drive a towing truck in his younger days so he has no problem at all with John David doing this as a business; he also thinks it is good that a man as young as Josh is running two car sales lots. The younger boys are being trained to take over the maintenance work and lawn work in the case of the older ones. The little boys have their chore packs which include things like collecting laundry and cleaning bathrooms. It truly does look to me like a joint effort, much better than I managed with only four children.

Madigan said...

Could anyone direct me to the letter Anna's brother-in-law wrote concerning their Josh and Anna's wedding? I seem to remember it being here but I can't seem to find it.

C said...

Sometimes episodes can be viewed at:

www.surfthechannel.com

www.fastpasstv.com

Cyn said...

Could anyone direct me to the letter Anna's brother-in-law wrote concerning their Josh and Anna's wedding? I seem to remember it being here but I can't seem to find it.

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Anonymous said...

In regards to the division of household labor, it's hard to say who does what, especially since the footage is edited into thirty minute episodes. However I find it hard to believe Michelle does the lion's share of anything in the house, simply because of the fact that she is perpetually fresh faced and well rested whereas the older girls often look harried and exhuasted.

I don't have children but my older sister has two, and she gets really worn out from keeping up the household,laundary, cooking, driving to sports practices, recitals etc. So how does a woman with 19 kids manage so easily? The answer is because she has four live in maids/nannies/substitute moms. The fact that the baby cribs for Jordan and Jennifer are in the girls' bedroom speaks volumes.

Sharla said...

Is anyone else as bored as I am hearing about the workload division?

Anonymous said...

" I find it hard to believe Michelle does the lion's share of anything in the house, simply because of the fact that she is perpetually fresh faced and well rested whereas the older girls often look harried and exhuasted."


Hmmm, what I've noticed seems just the opposite. I think Michelle often looks tired, she always has a smile on her face but nonetheless looks tired to me. I've never once thought the girls look harried or exhausted. Their hair is always done just so, makeup, etc. Michelle doesn't even bother with makeup it doesn't look like.

Jordyn and Jennifer's cribs are in the girls' room true, but they aren't babies. They should be in regular beds at their ages. They should also not be waking in the night, they're too old for that. Hopefully they aren't and disturbing the older girls at night.

Anonymous said...

'Is anyone else as bored as I am hearing about the workload division?'

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Another dead horse for the pile is my vote.

Nancy said...

I won't discuss the division of labor, but I'll continue to make my voice known regarding the position of teenagers/young women in Gothard's culture.

On a totally unreleated note, Duggar sighting (with TLC crew) at a church in Louisville on Thursday night. Since all the older girls are accounted for in the violin concert shot, I wonder who is taking care of Josie this time (and hoping Michelle flew in same-day as she did in DC, one of the few things she actually did like a "regular family's" mom).

http://kellyannglupker.blogspot.com/2010/10/19-kids-counting.html

CappuccinoLife said...

However I find it hard to believe Michelle does the lion's share of anything in the house, simply because of the fact that she is perpetually fresh faced and well rested whereas the older girls often look harried and exhuasted.
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How people look is subject to personal interpretation and bias. Can't say for a fact one way or another. I won't venture to guess on who in the family looks worse.

However, I doubt anyone in the family is doing what anyone would consider a "lion's share" of the work, because they have a large number of able-bodied older children and adults, who have all been participating in the upkeep (yes, the boys as well) of the household from early on.

Being a new mom with several young children is a very hard stage of life. But dynamics change as children get older. Michelle doesn't have 19 2 and 3 year olds, all requiring the massive energy output that toddlers require. Neither are the girls in the same situation as f-t nannies or maids would be, by any stretch. With as many as she has who are 8 yo and up, there are a lot of people in the house who can each take one small part of the work, and get it finished without being overburdened.

msrylee said...

Another dead horse for the pile is my vote also.

Cyn said...
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Anonymous said...

"Is anyone else as bored as I am hearing about the workload division?"
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Yes, it's definitely become a dead horse in my opinion until we have more information on who does what in the household, until then anything said positive or negative is due to a person's subjective opinion.

Ally said...

"So how does a woman with 19 kids manage so easily? The answer is because she has four live in maids/nannies/substitute moms."

In my view it's not because she has Jana, Jill, Jess and Jinger working as nannies or maids or substitute moms, it's because the house is comprised of 2 parents, Jim Bob&Michelle. It's also comprised of 7 other kids who are at least 5 years of age who do chores.

I've seen the younger boys picking up laundry, moping and other things that others have mentioned. While the girls are doing their hair and makeup, that is always so nicely done. That takes time. The workload is divided up over 11 kids and 2 parents for a total of 13 people.

Are there things that the 4 eldest daughters can do that one of their younger siblings can't? Undoubtedly yes.

However, are there daily chores that the other 7 siblings can and most likely do on a daily basis? Yes.

Joy said...

I agree with Ally, there are plenty of people to divide the chores among. Also Grandma Duggar and their beloved "Nana" who comes and helps with laundry twice a week.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone else as bored as I am hearing about the workload division?

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Yes, please, it belongs in the same horse excrement pile as the subject of those big hair bows.

Anonymous said...

I'm hoping that one of the benefits for the Bates family of being on TLC is that they are afforded round-the-clock personal security at their home. No telling how many people, well-intentioned or otherwise, are driving by their home out of curiosity. I wonder if the Gil Bates thought of that before agreeing to be on television?

Anonymous said...

Do the Duggar's have round the clock personal security at their home? Or even an alarm system? No telling how many people have driven by their home because JimBob sold the safety and privacy to TLC. Sure some are just curious, but their are a lot of nuts out their. And seeing how they can find a blueprint to their home in their book it wouldn't be hard to figure out just where their little blessing are sleeping. Hope it's worth the money JimBob.

Kitten said...

For anyone who believes the "reality" of these shows, here's the inside scoop from a participant...this is from an article in the paper today by Lisa Rinna about her reality show "Harry Loves Lisa."

"She had no concern about reality show cameras following her and her family 24/7 because that never happened. Rinna said the way the program was produced was similar to a scripted series. "What people don't know about these shows is that they're set up just like a regular television show," Rinna said. "You get a call sheet that says when you're shooting scenes. There's a beginning, middle and end of a story. There's a lot more room for improvisation and spontaneity and that's when the magic happens, but it's all planned out. There's a story line and it can turn on a dime, but you show up for work and finish on time. It could not be easier.""

For anyone who actually watches, it's not hard to see just HOW scripted the Duggars' show has become, but there are still a few who want to believe it's all "true."

Ohio Buckeye said...

"For anyone who actually watches, it's not hard to see just HOW scripted the Duggars' show has become, but there are still a few who want to believe it's all "true."

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Amen! The Duggar brand as every bit as authentic as the Gosselin happy marriage.

i_like_cookies said...

The Duggars have a gate at the entrance to their property with some sort of code or pass-card required for entrance. This was shown in the "Josie comes home" episode. I don't know what other kinds of security they might have, but someone on this board who lives close by the Duggars mentioned that there is frequently a police car in the vicinity.

We know the family has a good relationship with the police and they take them homemade cookies every Christmas. The fact that the police officers EAT homemade Duggar cookies is a testament to them knowing the family very well. Most police (or fire fighter or soldiers or whatever) have a policy of not eating homemade baked goods for fear of poisoning.

Anonymous said...

The police car that is often seen at the Duggar home is not an actual police car with an officer in it. It is an old police car that Jim Bob obviously bought and parks out front sometimes. I guess it's his idea of security. The gate was put up while the family was gone in Little Rock.

Nancy said...

Radio interview with JimBob while the family was in DC.

Interesting that the kids apparently "Duggar-cammed" the trip and that will be the basis for the show, which is set to be the season finale. Also of interest, we won't be shown footage of the Voter Values Forum itself, where Jim Bob and Michelle gave their usual stock speech with a few very inflammatory remarks thrown in (that if aired on their show, would change a lot of peoples' minds about them). Another example of them airing the chaff rather than the wheat.

http://www.keepbelieving.com/blog/2010-9-20-interview-jim-bob-duggar-19-kids-counting/

Anonymous said...

If I were dumb enough to parade my entire family, including beautiful daughters and newborns, in front of the entire country on national TV, you'd bet I'd be more safety conscious than Jim Bob Duggar. No little "gate" is going to keep bad people away, especially since everyone knows where that family lives, and has seen the inside and outside of the house.

I really hope nothing happens to any of those kids as the result of Jim Bob's greed and foolishness.

msrylee said...

It's my opinion that a good relationship with the police will not hinder some wack-a-doodle from fixating on one or more of the blessings, and then acting out their sick fantasies. The Duggar family really needs to take security measures in order to protect all of them. The used former police car just isn't enough 'security'.

Anonymous said...

"The police car that is often seen at the Duggar home is not an actual police car with an officer in it. It is an old police car that Jim Bob obviously bought and parks out front sometimes. I guess it's his idea of security. The gate was put up while the family was gone in Little Rock."

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This is hilarious!

Mayberry RFD looks like the Yale campus compared to a guy who thinks parking an old, used police car near his house is a cheapy but effective security system.

wondering said...

I looked at the link Nancy provided about the radio interview...didn't listen to it...but it just hit me funny in the article how JB said something about why they don't have a TV.
Its it just me or does anyone else find it odd that they don;t watch TV, yet are ON a TV show???
Is that not hypocritical or what???
Seriously, how do they justify it??
We think it is wrong to watch, yet we want to be on it and be a blessing to you???
WHAT??? I just can't make it make sense.

Lola said...

I have to say after seeing a few episodes of Sister Wives on TLC (Gag!) I really appreciate the Duggars. I don't have the same beliefs as them- (especially on education!) but they are a loving family that don't give you the icky feeling I get from Sister Wives. Give me the Duggars and their gaggle of kids anyday.

Anonymous said...

"Is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that they don't watch TV, yet are ON a TV show?"
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Other people on here would surely agree with you, but here's how I see it. In my personal, individual opinion, I don't think that they're being hypocritical at all.

First of all, they do watch tv. They have a tv that they watch shows and movies on. They have said this, this has been covered and we've seen footage of this.

However, Jim Bob and Michelle like a lot of conservative Christian parents censor what their children watch on tv. This is no different then having a V CHIP on the TV.

I don't blame them for not letting their children watch cartoons or most of tv, because even children shows aren't harmless anymore.

Some of the cartoons on tv are not suitable for children and some of the teen shows are certainly not suitable for the age group that they are meant for. This most likely is part of the reason that they do not watch tv.

I'm glad that they care enough about their children to keep away things that they may not understand or are too young to see. I'm glad that they don't make the tv a babysitter for them either. They actually spend time together which is awesome.

Again, just my opinion, but I don't think it's hypocritical and no I don't think that they walk on water. I however, think they are good parents for actually paying attention to what their children are exposed to.

Anonymous said...

Just because there are more dysfunctional families being paraded around on TLC doesn't mean that the Duggar model is a functional one either.

Anonymous said...

"Its it just me or does anyone else find it odd that they don;t watch TV, yet are ON a TV show???
Is that not hypocritical or what???
Seriously, how do they justify it??
We think it is wrong to watch, yet we want to be on it and be a blessing to you???
WHAT??? I just can't make it make sense."

The Duggars don't say or claim that they never watch any TV at all. They say they watch "very little" TV and don't have cable programming or watch mainstream broadcast TV. They've said they watch a Razorbacks game sometimes on broadcast TV, and they watch videos and movies on DVD of their choosing occasionally. They've said they don't watch the episodes of their own show most of the time when they are broadcast, they watch them later on video. They were filmed once though watching a new episode of their show broadcast at JimBob's sister's house. They were also filmed watching Animal Planet while on vacation in Pigeon Forge.

So they do watch a little TV - just much, much less of it than your average person, and tend to avoid regular broadcast and cable. Their show comes out on DVD after every season, so a person wouldn't have to have cable to watch it. When JimBob says the family "doesn't have TV and hasn't for years", he means that they don't have or watch regular programming. So no, they aren't hypocritical for being on a reality TV show. A person could watch the Duggars' show and still watch the same amount of TV as the Duggars themselves do.

Anonymous said...

". Also of interest, we won't be shown footage of the Voter Values Forum itself, where Jim Bob and Michelle gave their usual stock speech with a few very inflammatory remarks thrown in (that if aired on their show, would change a lot of peoples' minds about them)"

I listened to the radio interview, and as far as I could tell it was just your standard Duggar speech with the same stories we've heard them tell over and over. Is this where the inflammatory remarks were made? Or somewhere else? I'd be interested to hear/read about it.

Jen said...

Thought of the Duggars today.

There was a hockey team bus complete with trailer being pulled behind it pulling out of the Aldi's parking lot.

I had to take a double look just to make sure it wasn't the Duggars.

I didn't realize how big hockey team buses especially with a trailer behind it really are.

Really put the size of the Duggar world: house, bus. etc into perspective for me

Anonymous said...

Mayberry RFD looks like the Yale campus compared to a guy who thinks parking an old, used police car near his house is a cheapy but effective security system.
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Well, you didn't expect him to spend lots of money for a real security system did you? Unless it involves a gas-guzzling oversize motorized vehicle that he can ride around and show off on, or hairspray, JimBob would much prefer to hang onto his money.

MandySue said...

Most police (or fire fighter or soldiers or whatever) have a policy of not eating homemade baked goods for fear of poisoning.
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Seriously? I have family who are both and have never heard this. Is this a problem in other parts of the country?

On the other hand....

Being from Arkansas..We are all not like the Duggars, most (85%) of the people I know, even conservative Christians, do not like them. Cities in Arkansas do have different taxes but I have not ran into any that are 10%. Tonitown is a small town but it is NOT a backwoods hick town. They have a grape fest every year that raises $100,000+ for their Catholic church, they sell homemade spaghetti (sauce and noodles) that are worth standing in line for hours for. People in Arkansas are not blinded by fame and lights of the camera.

Nancy said...

Hi Anon, sorry I am so slow to reply; got a concussion on Saturday and I wasn't online much at all until last night. Mostly better now. :)

I listened to the radio interview, and as far as I could tell it was just your standard Duggar speech with the same stories we've heard them tell over and over. Is this where the inflammatory remarks were made? Or somewhere else? I'd be interested to hear/read about it.

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http://www.valuesvotersummit.org/2010archive

If this link doesn't take you directly to the speakers (I had to scroll around until I found the Duggars), do the same and you'll find their speech. It looks like once I found their speech, it has the intros and will include the kids, the second "first annual" award bestowed on them this year, and the speech itself. This speech went further than the usual rhetoric they put out there; when you see the other speakers, it's pretty clear where they stand politically.

Cyn said...

This speech went further than the usual rhetoric they put out there; when you see the other speakers, it's pretty clear where they stand politically.
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Hasn't it always been almost crystal clear, Jimbob ran for senate (both state and US) on the Republican ticket, one of his platforms was on abortion the others dealt with taxes. His running for US Senator was how this whole TLC show got started.

They have been on the Hanity (sp?) show before, every candidate they have endorsed has been a staunch 'right wing' conservative, and their speeches and awards have 9/10 times been for religious organizations, or republican politicians.

Other than almost 5 years into this they are getting better at putting coherent sentences together, what in their speech was different from what they have been saying all along (in the show, in interviews, and in their book, and by their actions)?

PS for those that watch the interview and just want to hear the "speech" ff to about 15ish (the first 10-15 minutes are the kids singing and playing the violin) The sound quality was lousy for 2/3rds of the video very very low then all of a sudden it jumps to normal (which if you have your speakers at the max to hear her means VERY LOUD lol)

jonandkatewho? said...

I was going to listen to the speech then I wondered....why bother? I've certainly heard it all before and from the Duggars it would be more of the same. Can't imagine anything shocking on there to tell the truth. I don't think I'd be surprised by anything I heard and I would almost certainly be bored nearly to tears. I'm skipping it.

Anonymous said...

Most police (or fire fighter or soldiers or whatever) have a policy of not eating homemade baked goods for fear of poisoning.
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I wonder if any of the cookie recipients watch the show. That would be reason right there not to eat anything the Duggars made-if they saw the little kids climbing all over the counters, putting their hands in their mouths, and all the other unsanitary food prep methods the Duggars use...yuck! You couldn't pay me to eat something out of that kitchen.

Anonymous said...

No way I'd eat anything that came from that house - I've seen children sitting on those counters wearing diapers - it's like asking for a case of e. coli.

It's also nasty and disgusting.

Cyn said...

Re Cookies and Kids helping:

In this video (posted on TLC's site not sure it ever aired on TV though) They talk about how the cookies the younger kids were helping with they themselves were going to eat. And they were making sure they didn't mix in with the ones going out:

http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/18-kids-and-counting-dining-duggars/

Basically they were doing it to keep the younger ones occupied and they got to think they were helping too.

Judy said...

Has anyone thought about that if Michelle doesn't get pregnant soon, or if Anna doesn't, the show probably won't last a whole lot longer? The Duggar brand surrounds the pregnancies, births, an the lives with the infant babies. All the other stuff is filler for the in between times which were, for along time, very short. Now we're talking about almost a year since a pregnancy. . .long time in Duggar land.

Anonymous said...

Judy said:
Has anyone thought about that if Michelle doesn't get pregnant soon, or if Anna doesn't, the show probably won't last a whole lot longer? The Duggar brand surrounds the pregnancies, births, an the lives with the infant babies. All the other stuff is filler for the in between times which were, for along time, very short. Now we're talking about almost a year since a pregnancy. . .long time in Duggar land.
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They will still have 19 kids plus other family and friends even if there are no babies anytime soon. I am pretty sure the Duggars are aware that Michelle at some point would stop having babies so that wouldn't be the main reason for the show. Anna getting pregnant also doesn't seem to be a major goal either.

It's been done before... said...

"They will still have 19 kids plus other family and friends even if there are no babies anytime soon. I am pretty sure the Duggars are aware that Michelle at some point would stop having babies so that wouldn't be the main reason for the show. Anna getting pregnant also doesn't seem to be a major goal either."

What IS the main reason for the show? That they are capable of getting pregnant, having babies, raising babies, et al? I've never understood that myself because in my community there are a good number of very large families. Why doesn't every very large family have their own TV show? I still haven't figured that one out.

Anonymous said...

Judy said...

Has anyone thought about that if Michelle doesn't get pregnant soon, or if Anna doesn't, the show probably won't last a whole lot longer?
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I think ever show has a shelf life, and the Duggars may be heading toward their show's expiration date within the next season or two. I can't see them lasting any longer than that.

If Michelle does get pregnant with #20, it might increase the show's ratings temporarily, but it will also cause even more negativity from the general public who already feel she's had more than she can handle. Especially considering that Josie was premature and still needs quite a bit of parental attention, the backlash would likely overwhelm any brief surge in the ratings.

As to Anna having another, I'm sure she and Josh will have more than one child. But they seem less invested in promoting themselves as super-fruitful. I actually think Josh is enjoying the relative peace and quiet of having just himself, Anna and their firstborn in the house, instead of the packed ruckus he grew up with. Heck, even when a few of his siblings stayed overnight awhile ago, didn't he make some semi-smart aleck remarks about them being there? LOL - that boy flew the nest and doesn't want to fill his own little nest anytime soon.

It's not my business whether Mr. and Mrs. Duggar continue to try to conceive more children, but it is my considered opinion that if they think that's going to help gain more viewers, they are mistaken.

Kay said...

Random:

Was checking out TMZ, as I will only allow myself to do once a day (too addicting!), and I had to do a double-take when the window loaded.

At the very top, right on top of the first headline, is a picture of the Duggar family! It's badly cropped into an ad for the homeschooling program they use, with, "The Duggar Secret to Saving Time: S.O.S. Homeschool Curriculum." Fun images on the ad include beakers, Earth, math symbols, and a Jesus fish. Has anyone else seen it? It's one of those quick-ads that change when you re-load the page.

So... question: did the Duggars sign off on this advertising to get their homeschooling program for free? I have a hard time seeing Jim Bob sign off on advertising that puts his children's faces on salacious sites like TMZ... but who knows, it could've saved him a ton of money. I mean, I anticipate reading about them in blogs or news items-- but an advertisement? Weird.

Anonymous said...

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Sharla said...

Someone asked (in the wrong thread, cough,cough) if payment for the show is a dead horse. I don't think that one has flies quite yet.

As far as I know, TLC normally pays the "Unusual Family" as a unit as in cut one check for the whole family per episode. I know this is their policy for the one hour specials even if there are multiple adults shown in that family in the special.

TLC is notoriously tight-fisted with compensation especially for specials and the first season. On one hand I can appreciate that the network is taking a lot of risk and the show may not break even for them. On the other hand, they do a huge sales job on people to get them to be filmed for nothing, freebies, or "to educate people." I do have first hand knowledge of people who have participated and been filmed by TLC and Discovery and that's what I'm drawing on.

Jon and Kate were paid as one family unit until issues were made public about the children not being compensated. I believe it is TLC's general policy to pay "Unusual Family" continuously as a family unit unless or until one of the parties in the filming asks for separate compensation or it becomes very, very clear to TLC that they need to pay people such as Josh and Anna because they are filmed separately at their house and car lots. I would expect Deanna was compensated separately when her house was used also. A contract would need to be signed before filming at the location. Thus the compensation issue arises. TLC would at minimum pay for use of the house, electricity, water, etc. and would need to handle responsibility for accidents, damage, etc. Whether they also paid a salary could be discussed at the same time.

The commenter also asked about Arkansas law regarding payment for the minor children. I don't think it addresses children in reality TV as very few states do. My memeory could be inaccurate though.

Anonymous said...

Why do the Duggars have a show? I think it's because people are fascinated by a family and lifestyle that are so different from theirs. Why aren't other large families having their own shows? Well, the Duggars are the first of their kind to be spotted and picked up for a show, so part of it was just being in the right place at the right time. Also, I know other large families, and none of them have the same appeal as the Duggars. It think some big reasons are:

1) They are all uncommonly good-looking. There isn't an ugly duckling in the bunch. Michelle and JimBob are both young-looking and pleasant to look at. Simply put, they are all easy on the eyes. And they are always positive and upbeat.

2) There is a uniformity and orderliness to the family that most other large families don't possess. Whether this is a good thing or bad thing, it makes them interesting.

3) They genuinely seem to live harmoniously together in a loving and organized way. This is fascinating as well, and has a soothing effect on some viewers. Albeit some people are obviously angered and disgusted by them, they have the opposite effect on some others.

Remember when the Duggars visited a large family in California on one of their specials? The children didn't have the nice-looking, well-groomed appearance that the Duggars have, it's easy to see why they, for example, wouldn't have their own show.

I know when I would watch other shows about large families, Table for Twelve, Gosselins, etc. I would just feel uptight and stressed by seeing the chaos and contention, and would turn it off. When I watch the Duggars, I just marvel. For some it's a car-wreck-can't-look-away type phenomenon.

As far as how long the show will go on, I think it's probably only got a season or two left also. I don't think the show revolves around Michelle continuing to have babies though. The fascination factor is there regardless. And I do not think at all that Michelle and JimBob would go for another pregnancy in an effort to increase ratings or interest. They have always made it crystal clear that they don't care what the rest of the world thinks about their decision to have more children. They were cranking them out before there was a show and they'll be cranking them out show or no show. I think their past behavior leaves no doubt about that.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I am bored of the show. I stopped watching awhile ago, but still like to read about it. I don't think there is anything interesting to watch, and that's why viewership has fallen off.

Anonymous said...

Realizing that 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder,' just want to respond to a previous comment that the Duggars are all unusually good looking.

Sorry, but I have to disagree on this one.

JMO, JBD is a clone of Howdy Doody, and, sadly, he has passed along his horse toothed smile to some of his progeny.

Michelle is a very pretty woman, as are most of her daughters.

Though we'll never know for sure (because the Duggars/TLC surely won't tell), JMO that, along with the hairspray, some cover-the-grey hair dye is to thank for the lack of obvious grey hair on both parents.

Anonymous said...

'Personally, I am bored of the show. I stopped watching awhile ago, but still like to read about it. I don't think there is anything interesting to watch, and that's why viewership has fallen off.'

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Same here. I like kids and family, so tuned in at first thinking I might enjoy learning about this family.

However, it wasn't long before I realized that the Duggar belief system is so extraordinarily rigid and, IMO, odd, that I had no desire to watch more than a few episodes. To know the Duggars was NOT to love them, for me anyway.

I find this blog interesting about two shows I do not watch, The Gosselins and the Duggars. This blog is far more interesting IMO than either of these two shows.

Anonymous said...

Great episode this week, just seeing the girls having some normal fun - and you can have fun in simple things like taking some little kids to a park and then getting them some ice cream. Those are sweet memories for the kids!! I don't think at this point the popularity of the show is hanging on whether Michelle produces #20...it is just sweet to see such a nice family, seeing the little kids, and being reminded to nice things for people, such as Anna's idea to donate a van to a family in need. Great job!

Willow #1 said...

I still enjoy the show but I have to say that after Josh and Anna got married and had their baby, I was kind of expecting the momentum to continue. I hope another couple comes along soon. I wonder if there is a couple "in progress" but they just don't want to announce it yet? That would be interesting to know. I am not wishing anyone to get married too young, but just think that part of their belief system is interesting. I am kind of late with the comment, but I was surprised about the girls going to Chicago and thought that was cool. They did a good job with the ledge in the old Sears Tower building. It gave me the creeps just watching them.

Don't Like, Change Channel said...

The Bates' new baby boy is so cute.

Anonymous said...

I don't think JimBob is any Tom Cruise, that's for sure, but he is not unpleasant to look at as some of the people that get filmed as part of their show as their friends, acquaintances, etc. With the exception of Gil Bates, now there's a nice looking man. It isn't something we think about, but we've grown so accustomed to seeing attractive people on TV that if some of these other fathers or families had tried to have a show, their lack of attractiveness would have been a turn off and people wouldn't watch. While some members of the Duggar family are better looking than others, they are in general a very camera-friendly family. If they were't famous, and we saw them on the street, we'd probably think "what a nice looking family." People's standards of what is nice looking tend to be not as high in real life as they are when we watch TV or movies. I've read studies about this, it's very interesting.

Anonymous said...

Point well taken that we hold those on tv to a higher std of physical attractiveness than we would in real life.

However, Jim Bob Duggar is a dead ringer for Howdy Doody by ANY standards.

His wife is naturally attractive. Jim Bob and his horse teeth is NOT.

Anonymous said...

Don't like, Change Channel said:
The Bates' new baby boy is so cute.
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Thanks for the word about the Bates' latest baby. I used to go to their website but it was constantly under construction. Now it's up and running.Baby Judson Wyatt is cute and healthy looking. I didn't realize Kelly was older than Michelle (she is 44). The Bates have also had some serious medical issues with a few of their children. The website is nice though. It gives us an insight into the Bates outside of seeing them on 19 kids.

Anonymous said...

in reply to
Most police (or fire fighter or soldiers or whatever) have a policy of not eating homemade baked goods for fear of poisoning


thats not true here in the midwest at all... i live in texas and that is very common, in fact its very common for dinners to be made and taken up to the police and firefighters.. I grew up in oklahoma, and spent weekends a few mins. from the duggar house, this is how i know this.
i am sure that they prolly dont do this in the east or the west coast, but i know they do it here... but the tend to know the people coming in that give too, ..but the food thing if very normal..

roddma said...

"However, Jim Bob and Michelle like a lot of conservative Christian parents censor what their children watch on tv. This is no different then having a V CHIP on the TV."

Conservative Christians aren't the only ones who censor TV. I could understand keeping younger kids from watching certain things but the young adults still cant control what they watch or if they watch tv. At least we don't see it.
TV can be a way to spend time together. Most don't have cable/satellite because of financial reasons. I have no problem if you don't want to watch tv or little tv. My problem comes when it gets to the point of bragging you don't have tv.

"Jordyn and Jennifer's cribs are in the girls' room true, but they aren't babies. They should be in regular beds at their ages."
They should be in their parent's room.