John David Running for Office

Read about it here.


Election results about 3/4 of the way down the page.

93 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have to believe that this has something to do with the fact that Zach Bates was elected to some public office earlier this year. More "friendly competition" between the two families? Zach was 21,John David is only 20. Man, Josh must be royally ticked off about this. He was the one with political aspirations. Wonder why John David was chosen to run? Are they aware that based on the tv show, a lot of people really do not find Josh particularly appealing? I really can't see John David deciding to do this on his own. I'm sensing some parental nudging.

Steve knight said...

I can't imagine a a 20 year old running one that is not well education is not very worldy and pretty ignorant of the real world and we know what he is going to have as his agenda.

Anonymous said...

From just those couple quotes, he sure sounds like a chip off the ol' block. I wonder if voters there will question which one they are really voting for? -Katydid

Joy said...

Fantastic! If anything it will be a really good experience for him. I'm glad his parents are encouraging him to get out there and go for it despite his young age.

hannah said...

how old do you have to be to run?

good luck john. you will do a good job.

i guess he wont be courting any time soon.

bonehead said...

His agenda, is well, I would not vote for him. To say cut city spending, would mean cutting jobs, not a very popular thing. Paying more taxes is not exactly, a thing anyone wants to hear. But John-david is not saying how he will resolve anything. I hear the same crap from all the candidates, hear in Chicago, they just mud sling here. I think Dad or TLC put him up to it. But, good luck.

Anonymous said...

Yay for John David, it sounds like he has political aspirations and is following them.

He has the right idea to cut taxes for working people, working people need to pay less taxes in this horrible economy.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I would not be surprised if Josh is backing up his brother and that it is John's own idea to do so without his parents pushing him to do so. I can see John David deciding to do this on his own with some support from all of his family.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

If his agenda is cutting taxes and spending then it is not necessarily his agenda as that seems to be the way most Americans want to go. Go John David!

Anonymous said...

That poor young man sounds ignorant and poorly spoken, and if the community chooses him to represent them, they will deserve what they get.

Anonymous said...

If the position he is running for is in Tonitown Josh may not qualify; I don't think he lives in Tonitown anymore. Also Tonitown is a small town with just over 2000 residents so it really is a good place to "get his feet wet", so to speak, in politics.

Tammy C said...

We had a 19 year older elected to our school board when I lived in Ohio.He is on his second term.So John David could well on his election despite his age.

Anonymous said...

So some 20 year old who still lives with his parents and has a GED is going to tell us how to run an economy? If he wants a career in politics he needs to go to college.

Anonymous said...

For the record, he's basically running for a city council seat. I've heard of quite a few young people running for low-caliber seats like this before.

It sounds like JD is taking a tea-party approach (though I'm sure he's much more conservative than that)- cut spending where you can so that people don't have 30% of their income taken by state and city taxes (and, yes, that's what my state and city takes!).

If taxes are lower, maybe people can use their "extra" money to support the economy-- by being able to pay for groceries, buy luxury goods they wouldn't have been able to afford, have a down payment for a house, etc-- all things that are beneficial to the economy. I don't think I'd vote for JD, but he's got a good point about taxes.

Allison said...

Tontitown is very different than the places we live. I imagine it's fairly conservative and that John's beliefs are probably not much of a stretch. Just because we wouldn't vote for him doesn't mean the people in his area would disagree with his beliefs so he might win. You also don't know if people in Tontitown do not like Josh. Just because we the viewers don't like him much doesn't mean his community feels the same way.

I also don't know why anyone would think that this was Jim Bob's or TLC's doing. They might be supportive, but this is a huge undertaking that you can't just force someone to do. Personally, we have seen so very little of John David that I think it's hard to say one way or another what he would do. He has traveled quite a bit and done a lot of work (firefighting, his own small biz) that he could have decided on this on his own. I mean, he is one Duggar who is very active and out in his community a lot (compared to the rest of his family who seem to never leave the house), so it makes sense to me that he might want to get politically involved.

Anonymous said...

I doubt anyone put John up to it. His dad was in politics years ago, so it isn't a new idea in the family. To me, John doesn't seem like the type to be pushed into something.

I think he'd do a great job, he seems very level-headed. This will be a great experience for him. It takes a lot of guts to run for a public office, putting yourself out there for everyone to see if you win or fail.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Wow, good job John! I could never imagine a Duggar becoming some sort of leader, and this is for sure a pleasant surprise to me. I think he is really becoming a well-rounded man now, fire fighting, his business, lots of renovations and handy man work, etc. He seems to be pretty intelligent and easy going. I hope he does well.

Anonymous said...

I am amazed at how ignorant his comments in the article make him sound. I realize you have to start somewhere in politics; but seriously in addition to his lack of experience, I believe he also has a serious lack of education and basic knowledge. He may be a very nice young man, but that does not necessarily make him a good candidate.

Duhhhhhhh! said...

We'll see if he wins. I hear a lot of people in their area are not that impressed with the Duggars.

Danielle said...

I don't think it takes much edumacation to run for an office by the name of "Alderman of Tonitown, Arkansas".

Anonymous said...

He has a point though, every politician in this country started somewhere. Some started with a small city council position like John David is.

I realize that some politicians start out their political career by holding a student council position in high school and then in college. It would be good for him to go to college for political science and try to gain a student government position. I do agree on that one whole heartedly. Either way, if this is truly his aspiration, he has to start somewhere.

Lola said...

John David really looks like Jim Bob in this clip. I never noticed how much they are alike before.

Sharla said...

Please be aware that political comments especially those references other candidates outside Arkansas are not relevant to this discussion as is any general political opinion. Also boards on boards comments are, as always, not needed.

For anyone who does not understand boards on boards, it is making comments about the blog or the opinions of other commenters. Especially things such as well you all wanted and now....

Thank you very much.

dea said...

I disagree with many things the Duggars do, but I applaud John David for wanting to get out and serve his community. I think that this will be a very educational experience; if he loses he will be able to learn from it and try again when he's older, and if he wins, he'll probably learn very quickly about the reality of good governance. Its one thing to talk ideals about lower taxes, its quite another to have to make the tough decisions about cutting jobs and services, especially in a small town where everybody knows each other.
My hope is that he comes away from this foray into politics with a desire to learn more about the world and how it works and to break out of his sheltered upbringing

Anonymous said...

A huge reason never to move to Tonitown Arkansas.

Anonymously Aghast said...

"If the economy is hurting, all the people are hurting. With taxes and everything, we should not be raising taxes. That's when the city should look at areas they can cut"

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Another example of the quality of the Duggar home schooling.

Tonitown may be rural, but shouldn't its elected officials at least be financially and verbally literate?

Anonymous said...

I applaud John David as a young man who is concerned about serving his community, whether it's as a volunteer fire fighter or a politician. Win or lose this election, it will be a good learning experience for him and broaden his horizons.

I just don't see anything negative about his running for office. GED, high school diploma, college degree, it just doesn't matter. He certainly has as much right to run as anyone else.

Madigan said...

I totally disagree with John David running for any tpye of office but then again California did elect an Austrian actor as their Governer.

Anonymous said...

Anyone can run for whatever they want, but the hope is that our politicians, even those at the local level, know something about issues in order to represent the people well.

John David, in his interview, sounded scary ignorant. I like my representatives to have a bit more on the ball regarding issues, so he would never get my vote. But if the people of Tonitown feel that he represents their concerns and beliefs---then that is American democracy at work (which might frighten some of us, but then again, we don't live there, so it isn't our concern)/

Anonymous said...

In a small town like Tonitown John David's lack of college shouldn't be a concern and his owning of a local business is a HUGE plus. That said his only being in business a short time combined with the one rather inarticulate statement of his on why raising taxes are bad (yes we all know that but is there really anything that can be cut in local services to save money or is this just a feel good sound bite?) are not factors in the plus column for him.

And for me if I were voting in the election the matter in the Dead Horse list about his Mom and a certain alcohol license would weigh heavily on my mind. Is this candidate really his own man or will he be unduly influenced by his family. Yes, everybody is influenced by their family but if elected John David must act in the best interest of the town and that may run into conflict with his parent's view points. It could happen.

Anonymous said...

His family name and television show may actually backfire on him and keep people from voting for him.

Anonymous said...

We live in Ar part of the year and find their city tax system to be very burdensome. Each city/village sets its own sales tax and where we own our home the sales tax runs close to 10%. It really is a big issue compared to the 5% we pay in the midwest where the percentage is consistent statewide.

Anonymous said...

The person he is running against is a life long resident of Tontitown and his family helped found the town 111 years ago. He also owns his own business--a convenience store he opened with his father who was a councilman many years ago. I don't think John David stands a chance, but stranger things have happened.

Anonymous said...

"If the economy is hurting, all the people are hurting. With taxes and everything, we should not be raising taxes. That's when the city should look at areas they can cut," said Duggar.

Please to be showing your degree in economics?

Anonymous said...

I think John David is a sweet, respectable, hard-working person. However, I don't think he is politics material at all. He is extremely shy, which is evident any time you see him on camera. He is not well-spoken. In the video clip, he did not really have anything to say. This was his chance to convince people why they should vote for him, and he really did not have anything to say. He's very quiet and I feel like he doesn't really have a voice, so why would he run for office? I'm sure he's a great fire-fighter and has a good business, but he lacks the agressiveness needed in politics. People would totally run him over.

Anonymous said...

Any chance for a Jones Life Without Pity? I am aching to snark on these people.

Molly said...

Born and raised in NW Ark. Tonitown is not a bunch of hicks. It is full of Tyson executives and Wal-Mart execs. Most, well maybe 60% of the people I know in Ark are not fond of the Duggars. But there is another portion of folks, devout Christians that will support him if the other candidate is not a believer.

Anonymous said...

"The person he is running against is a life long resident of Tontitown and his family helped found the town 111 years ago. He also owns his own business--a convenience store he opened with his father who was a councilman many years ago. I don't think John David stands a chance...."

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Would that be the same convenience store that we have a dead-horse issue about ?
Could JD have an ulterior motive for wanting to be an alderman? i.e. he wants to abolish any liquor in Tontitown?

Sharla said...

Please think twice or maybe even three times before sending through a comment that has politics in it. If it is at all general, it is not appropriate here. I'll be keeping a tight rein on this one as it has the ability to "go rogue" very quickly.

Anonymous said...

"Would that be the same convenience store that we have a dead-horse issue about ?
Could JD have an ulterior motive for wanting to be an alderman? i.e. he wants to abolish "any liquor in Tontitown?

That convenience store was in Springdale not Tontitown. If he is trying ot abolish alcohol in Tontitown it will be very hard. It is a town of people who love their wine and a new winery just opened there a week or two ago.

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine a a 20 year old running one that is not well education is not very worldy and pretty ignorant of the real world and we know what he is going to have as his agenda


Maybe not Steve, but I bet he can string together a coherent paragraph by using capitalization and punctuation, not to mention proper spelling and grammar. Just sayin'...

pumpkin said...

Perhaps this is a test, with all of us as the examiners. It is a test of how good the School of the Dining Room Table really. Also it is a test of how well socialized and how "real world-ized" John really is.

I for one will watch with interest.

Anonymous said...

How is it possible to effectively manage and legislate a world from which you've been almost entirely insulated?

Anonymous said...

John David's interview comments weren't the most articulate, but they weren't totally inarticulate either. The content of what he said had substance, and that's what I look for in a political candidate. Frankly, smooth-talking career politicians scare me. I'd rather vote for a down to earth hard-working honest individual, like John David.

I don't agree that John is shy or would be run over, he strikes me as a quiet man who knows his mind and wouldn't be afraid to speak out. That isn't the same thing as being shy. It will be an interesting race.

Judy said...

How is it possible to effectively manage and legislate a world from which you've been almost entirely insulated?

EXCELLENT POINT!!

Anonymous said...

I believe it was Michelle herself that described, quite correctly, that John David is the shy one, and often avoids the cameras when they are taping.

Also, in the episode when they were doing the phone-a-thon at the hospital where Josie was, John-David couldn't really get the hang of talking on the phone, whereas all the other Duggars were quite naturals at speaking to people on the phone. I think John is very awkward when it comes to talking to people and being in the spotlight. That is why I don't think he can cut it as a politician. In politics you have to come out of your shell, and speak to groups of people in an articulate manner.

Anonymous said...

This is just as an alderman in a tiny town not the US Senate. I'm not really worried about John David's ability to handle that.

Anonymous said...

If memory serves, Michelle described John-David as "quiet" rather than using the word shy. There is a difference between the two. At the phon-a-thon, I believe it was Joseph, not John, who had the difficulties talking on the phone and was even filmed saying he didn't like talking on the phone, or to people he didn't know, or something like that.

I agree with the poster who said she thinks John's abilities are adequate to fulfill the duties of an alderman of a small town.

Cyn said...

Tonitown has a population of all of 1000 people (that's all ages) of that 1000 how many really vote or can vote? And John David is related to at least 25-30 of them...(if the Aunt and Josh live in Tonitown)

The other candidate being an incumbent might cause problems especially if the incumbent has been doing a decent job.

But I have serious doubts that "the school of the dining room table" would be a hindering block, not for alderman in a town of little over 1,000 total population.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Tontitown-Arkansas.html

Anonymous said...

What exactly would be the duties of an "alderman" of a town with what, 1500 people, 2000 if you count the stray cats & dogs? I can't imagine it would be that prestigious of a job.
Maybe JimBob is living vicariously thru JohnDavid and is the mastermind behind all of this. JimBob is savvy enough to know if he himself ran for office again, even if if were to be DogCatcher of DodgeCity, he'd never win. JimBob's still smarting from his own election loss many years ago.

Joanne, RN said...

He says in the article that they need to cut the budget and not raise taxes. I wonder if John David knows that cutting the budget often means someone loses their job? He really comes across a rather unintelligent and he has no higher education or real world experience. I hope that the locals can look past his celebrity status and vote in someone with more experience.

Anonymous said...

If Jim Bob can serve in the Arkansas House of Representatives, then surely John David can be alderman of Tonitown. It's not like he's running for governor of Arkansas. Also running doesn't mean he will win so this may be all much ado about nothing.

MOM IN TEXAS

Kitten said...

John-David's gradual emergence from his "cone of silence" may have a lot to do with his recent trip to SE Asia. I seem to recall that he mentioned it forced him to speak in public and lead the group, things that he had not previously felt very capable at. With the increased confidence this experience provided, it is not suprising that he now feels ready to be something more than "Josh's quiet younger brother."

Being an elected politician, particularly in a small town, does not require a university degree, or even a high school diploma, as long as you have the ability and willingness to learn what you don't know, and the ability to listen to and hear opposing points of view. Let's face it, we all know plenty of successful people who do not have a college degree, and were no great shakes in high school, either. I don't think John-David is incapable, just inexperienced and untested.

My biggest fear would be that, given his conservative upbringing and dad's point of view, John-David would blindly adhere to JimBob's view of the world, regardless of the facts or situation. But no one will know until/unless he's put into a situation where he has to make a decision for the good of the community that might contradict his parents' beliefs. Some politicians cling blindly to their original positions no matter what; others learn that the world is not as black and white as it once appeared. Only time will tell which type John-David might turn out to be.

Anonymous said...

"My biggest fear would be that, given his conservative upbringing and dad's point of view, John-David would blindly adhere to JimBob's view of the world, regardless of the facts or situation."

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IMO this is a given. I'll bet the farm on it. Anyone want to take that bet?

Cyn said...

"My biggest fear would be that, given his conservative upbringing and dad's point of view, John-David would blindly adhere to JimBob's view of the world, regardless of the facts or situation."
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John David if elected will be part of a 6 member city council.

A city council for a city population of 1,000. I've read the minutes from some of their council meetings.... They discuss making parks, sewer connections, and building permits... Earth shattering decisions are seriously NOT being made in these once monthly meetings.

Why are we so willing to assume that John isn't capable of making these 'weighty' decisions? Or that his family upbringing will retard his ability to make an informed contribution to the meetings?

Anonymous said...

"Why are we so willing to assume that John isn't capable of making these 'weighty' decisions? Or that his family upbringing will retard his ability to make an informed contribution to the meetings?"

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The answer to the query is: because of the way the Duggars are portrayed as uneducated and trained by their uneducated parents to unquestioningly accept simplistic concepts and never to delve into the deeper complexities of life or science or math.

As portrayed on tv, this family proudly lacks a respect (and possibly ability) for critical thinking skills, creativity, and it seems they completely unable to grasp that, for the most part, the larger world is every bit as ethical as Gothardites.

To put it simply: if we are to believe what we see on their 'reality' show, these people are clueless about the real world, so how is it even possible for them to make any real contributions in management of a world they shun?

Kitten said...

Why are we so willing to assume that John isn't capable of making these 'weighty' decisions? Or that his family upbringing will retard his ability to make an informed contribution to the meetings?

Well, you can exclude me from that "we" you write of. I specifically said I didn't think John-David was incapable, just that he hasn't yet had to make any "weighty" decisions.

As for my "fear" about his ability to look beyond his upbringing if necessary - the reason many "extreme" politicians (right and left) fail in the end is precisely because they can't open their minds to a change. I don't think Jim-Bob has shown any willingness or ability to accept or even consider information that contradicts his view of the world. Whether or not John-David can is, as I said, not yet known, but having lived all his life with a father who has such rigid beliefs and has daily instructed his children in those beliefs will, I think, make it more of a challenge for him. Still, that's a far cry from being "willing to assume" he can't.

I don't mind being quoted; I object to being misinterpreted.

Cyn said...

Kitten to be perfectly honest with you I had completely forgotten some one else used the word "weighty". I put it in quotes because I have been asked not to use caps to emphasize certain words words or were I would stress the word when speaking aloud. (So I do my best now to keep them to 1 or less per post) I did not mean to quote you at all much less twist your words to mean something else.

Cyn said...

What I was trying to say:

I am/was looking at it from the point of view that there are 1000 men women and children in this very small city (town), I simply don't see "headline" news coming out of any decisions the newest member would be making.

If not for the fact that John David is part of the Duggar clan currently on TV this wouldn't have even made the news... As it was the "announcement / story" made the local news as a short little blurb, was brought to different blogs and then spread from there.

The city council, of this little town's, biggest issue (as far as I could see from the minutes of the meetings I bothered to read) were issues such as to expand the water company and what kind of trees to plant at the local park, or what kind of play ground equipment...

Having said all that; having some one on the city council that knows how and where to get good deals, and how to cut corners and still get the job done I would have assumed would be an asset to the city council. Some one that abhors debt, and would like to keep your city taxes as low as possible while still providing the necessary obligations a city has to it's residents. Sounds ok to me...

Can he present his arguments in an articulate, logical, concise way? Most including me would say probably not, but at the same time I (personally) am over slick talking politicians that can say all the right things, then don't do them, and I am ready to simply give the job to the person that can "get 'er done" whether or not he says it properly.

Anonymous said...

"Why are we so willing to assume that John isn't capable of making these 'weighty' decisions? Or that his family upbringing will retard his ability to make an informed contribution to the meetings?"

Exactly how informed can a 20 year old be with no college education, no resources to learn information outside of the home, no newspapers, non-religious books, friends to debate/discuss the current events in the U.S., learning about WORLD politics, social ways, relationships, foods, languages.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting to me how we can presume to know exactly what John David has access to. Speaking only for myself, I have no idea if he reads newspapers, debates with friends, is taking college classes, etc. Just because we see someone on a half hour reality show once a week doesn't mean we have complete insight to that person's entire life.

What I have learned about John David (again just my opinion) is that he's a community minded young man. He serves as a first responder in the area, he seems to have a very strong work ethic, he seems to genuinely care about others and their welfare and he's willing to step out and do more for Tonitown.

If I compare what I "know" about John David (and I use that term loosely) to what I "know" about some people of the same age in my own community, I'd have to say he stacks up pretty favorably.

Kay said...

On the subject of higher education:

I went to college and graduated 2 years ago. I had a top-notch education, straight A's, and graduated with honors.
College isn't for everybody and a college degree is NOT necessary to make it in the world. Of all the people I know that are my parents' age, the most successful ones haven't been to college.
I know a lot of people my age (20 somethings) that are unemployed because they're trying to get a job in the field they got a degree in. A lot of them have taken up retail jobs to make ends meet. I know several who graduated 5 or more years ago that still aren't working in their field.

If I had to pick any of my friends to represent me in government, I would-- in a heartbeat-- pick the ones without college educations, who went to work right after high school. They know more about the real world, have experienced tough times, lived without and struggling for health care, worked themselves up the proverbial ladder, etc-- all things that disillusioned college kids don't know... especially at 20.

I don't think J-D is like the friends I just mentioned-- because of his parents, he hasn't lived without and he hasn't been on his own. I'm not saying this disqualifies him-- but neither does his lack of a college degree.

Anonymous said...

"It's interesting to me how we can presume to know exactly what John David has access to. Speaking only for myself, I have no idea if he reads newspapers, debates with friends, is taking college classes, etc. Just because we see someone on a half hour reality show once a week doesn't mean we have complete insight to that person's entire life."
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Well said and I agree, there are people who don't think that the Duggar Children take government or world history at all in their studies. The curriculum they follow has these courses. That and the GED which John David has taken and passed does have a government section on it.

I also agree that we don't really know what they have access to. If we went by the show then we could conclude that they don't read or look at newspapers or know what's going on in the world. We just don't know for sure.

Anonymous said...

"I also agree that we don't really know what they have access to. If we went by the show then we could conclude that they don't read or look at newspapers or know what's going on in the world. We just don't know for sure."

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And, by the same logic, neither do we know what, if any, of the 'values' portrayed are genuine or not. Afterall, their show is just one more variation on the 'reality' genre.

Bubbles said...

May I respectfully point out that the correct spelling of the town is T-O-N-T-I-T-O-W-N. There is an additional "T" between the N and the I. It seems hypocritical to criticize/question the capability of someone to hold a position of public office if we aren't getting the name of the town correct.

Cyn said...

ROFL so there is, Google auto corrects it on mine and I never noticed.

Celestie said...

But no one will know until/unless he's put into a situation where he has to make a decision for the good of the community that might contradict his parents' beliefs.

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I found it interesting during the DC radio interview that Jim Bob said they didn't always agree with certain episodes of the Andy Griffith show... because they some times looked at the problem and tried to figure solutions without asking God. Do you think John David will be able to look at a problem with the city and help come up with an answer by logical reasons? Or will he ask God if they need a new park bench?

Anonymous said...

"Do you think John David will be able to look at a problem with the city and help come up with an answer by logical reasons? Or will he ask God if they need a new park bench?"

I don't see anything wrong with them praying for guidance for a solution in any situation. He's a volunteer firefighter, as well as a business owner as well so I'm sure he knows how to handle a situation practically without relying on God to just intervene or give an answer.

I feel like he's not given enough credit, because we see so little of him. I would love to get to see more footage of John David.

Anonymous said...

Bubbles said:
May I respectfully point out that the correct spelling of the town is T-O-N-T-I-T-O-W-N. There is an additional "T" between the N and the I. It seems hypocritical to criticize/question the capability of someone to hold a position of public office if we aren't getting the name of the town correct.

10/19/2010 5:28 PM
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Thanks for correcting everyone. It has been bothering me, but I didn't want to be the on to bring it up. The town was named after Henri de Tonti who helped found Arkansas Post in 1686.(Sorry, but I am a history buff.)

Anonymous said...

Celestie said:
I found it interesting during the DC radio interview that Jim Bob said they didn't always agree with certain episodes of the Andy Griffith show... because they some times looked at the problem and tried to figure solutions without asking God. Do
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I have watched many an episode of the Andy Griffith show and off the top of my head, I really can't remember a single one where Andy, Aunt Bea, Opie or Barney specifically prayed for guidance from God. Can anyone? Just curious is all.

I don't see how anyone could object to the Andy Griffith show. That comment alone tells me how far off the beaten path JimBob Duggar is. It's also a rather sad admission on his part that he cares more for form than substance. The Andy Griffith show celebrated all sorts of virtues - but apparently in JimBob's eyes, if you don't make a huge to-do about praying to God, then your entire life could be quietly dedicated to following strong religious principles and he'd still find it unacceptable.

The man is a moron. Straight up. And not a very good Christian at that.

Anonymous said...

"...during the DC radio interview that Jim Bob said they didn't always agree with certain episodes of the Andy Griffith show... because they some times looked at the problem and tried to figure solutions without asking God."

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Uh oh. I guess Walt Disney cartoons like Mickey Mouse are not up to Duggar ethical stds either.

Celestie said...

He's a volunteer firefighter, as well as a business owner as well so I'm sure he knows how to handle a situation practically without relying on God to just intervene or give an answer.
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Why does everyone keep saying John is a business owner? Apparently he has a big red tow truck, but he leaves his "business" for weeks at a time to go on a mission, he attends every trumped up field trip with the family. Most young business owners are building their businesses and just can't leave their customers for days/weeks on end. I think it would be safe to say he owns a tow truck which he may or may not be around to operate. He seems to be a nice young man.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do think many business owners do take trips. He can easily hire someone to man the truck when he is gone. We know that Josh has hire help so maybe the same guy who helps out Josh would like to work for John David as well and make some money.

Anonymous said...

My concern would be how would he deal with a "Nike" moment?

Carla said...

I'm a Duggar fan, but there is absolutely NO way I'd vote for a young, sheltered, undereducated candidate. Perhaps he could find a government internship while pursuing a college degree and try again in 4-5 years.

Anonymous said...

Re: I have watched many an episode of the Andy Griffith show and off the top of my head, I really can't remember a single one where Andy, Aunt Bea, Opie or Barney specifically prayed for guidance from God. Can anyone? Just curious is all.

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There are many episodes of them attending church and singing in choir.
There was an episode about money and deciding where it would go-choir robes or fixing the foundation of the building.They came up with a way to do both.
So yes,I think it would be safe to say they prayed for guidance in that episode.

Cyn said...

Re JimBob's comment about the Andy Griffith show:

JimBob's comment was made after being asked this question: How do you keep your children sheltered from the cultural onslaught of today and the secular media? They rambled for a bit (2 min or more) and got to:
Jimbob saying "that even some of the good shows like Andy Griffith and the old westerns have a secular view; there is always conflict in the shows, but instead of bringing God into the solution to solve the problem they try to solve them all 'humanly', and leave God out of it."

They (radio interviewers) and the audience they were speaking to want to know how the Duggars are raising kids in today's society to "love and serve God, not mammon". And JimBob answered him almost the same way they have in each of these interviews and church "speeches" they have been giving for years.

TLC does not make this the MAIN focus and never has, and the Duggars have been adamant that their religious views not be edited out. But simply watching the Duggars go back and forth to church every Sunday would get very boring, or watching them pray over everything every week (though we have seen them pray over every trip, and game they have taken or played).

I said all that to actually say this, The Duggars aren't hiding their religious or political views, TLC simply isn't airing them in any major way. TLC gets enough drama over whether or not Michelle or Anna is pregnant, they don't need to add politics to the mix.

Anonymous said...

I have no idea how Joh David can run a business with the amount of "travel" he does.

Maybe it is time for Jim Bob and Michelle to let their adult children stay home and do their jobs, like normal people in the US do. Most people can't just hop up on a whim for yet another bus tour with 23 people. Most people have responsibilities to their jobs and clients and can't leave them up in the lurch every five minutes.

Anonymous said...

"Why does everyone keep saying John is a business owner? Apparently he has a big red tow truck, but he leaves his "business" for weeks at a time to go on a mission, he attends every trumped up field trip with the family."
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If John David has customers, he's running a business, no matter if it's just him running it.

Even young business owners may be able to afford to hire someone else. Being able to go off when you want and pay someone else is one of the reasons that people like John David and Josh want to be business owners.

Anonymous said...

"My concern would be how would he deal with a "Nike" moment?"

They only mentioned the world "Nike" in one or 2 episodes out of 91 first off. It also seemed like the "Nike" was catered to the younger boys not John David. Since he was probably supposed to know better.

Second of all, He runs a towing business. I'm sure he's had women customers that haven't dressed that the same way that he's used to the women in his family dressing. So I'm sure he's had a lot pf "Nike" moments, but has learned that it's up to him to control himself and his thoughts. In a church like the Duggars young boys aren't expected to have self-control. However, Adult men are expected to have self-control and not look.

However, I would expect that he doesn't just cater to conservative Christians. It's not like he's just in the house all the time. I would also assume he's read the bible enough to know of the Fruits of the Spirit in Galatians and to know that one of them is Self-Control. He's an adult, he's probably learned self-control by now.

I think he and Josh since being out of the house a lot have adopted beliefs that are different from their parents.

Anonymous said...

Re: Jimbob saying "that even some of the good shows like Andy Griffith and the old westerns have a secular view; there is always conflict in the shows, but instead of bringing God into the solution to solve the problem they try to solve them all 'humanly', and leave God out of it."

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I think most religious ppl just think of it as using the common sense and intelligence the creator gave you.

Anonymous said...

As young business owners just starting out, why would Josh or John-David hire someone just to take over while they are off on trips?

Isn't that contrary to what Jim-Bob and Michelle did? Haven't they talked about basically working their tails off in they early years in order to have the life they have now?

In that respect, I don't think the Duggar kids are any different than most in this country: a feeling of entitlement to the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it is time for Jim Bob and Michelle to let their adult children stay home and do their jobs, like normal people in the US do. Most people can't just hop up on a whim for yet another bus tour with 23 people. Most people have responsibilities to their jobs and clients and can't leave them up in the lurch every five minutes.
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I think the real reality is that the Duggars and their show, and their speaking engagements, etc., are the family business. The other things, such as the towing "business" are more like side jobs that they do when they can.

For now, I think most of the family is involved in promoting their name, their brand, and in bringing in as much money as possible before their show is finally non-renewed by TLC. That may not be this season or next, but it won't last forever. Once they are off the air, they will have to rely on fees brought in via speaking engagements.

I agree that one of the supposed pleasures of being your own boss is that you can make your own hours, or hire someone else to do the work while you go off and jaunt around the country - but that's not really how a successful business works. The most successful of small businesses are those where the owner devotes many, many long hours to the business. When you hire others to do the work, your profit margin goes down.

It will be interesting to see how long Mr. and Mrs. Duggar encourage their grown children to stay semi- or completely financially dependent on them.

Anonymous said...

So now Jim Bob wants us to think that the Duggar's show is much more wholesome than The Andy Griffith Show was?

Cyn said...

So now Jim Bob wants us to think that the Duggar's show is much more wholesome than The Andy Griffith Show was?
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That wasn't implied in my post, and it wasn't implied in the radio interview, and that wasn't implied in their speech on video.

Jimbob was answering question(s) put to him in a rambling conversation that lasted 2-3 minutes. No where in the entire conversation did JimBob OR the hosts imply that "the Duggar show was better than/ holier than/ or more wholesome than the 'Andy Griffith show' or any other show."

By the time they started talking about the westerns and Andy they were discussing the nonreligious (secular) views in SOME of those shows, not all of them. And that during or after watching some of the shows what the Duggars (as a family) would do is discuss what the people might have done differently or better had they prayed first.

Remember though, JimBob was simply answering them (the hosts, and the audience) with what their family was doing or trying to do to avoid "secular influence" in the media.

Anonymous said...

"I think the real reality is that the Duggars and their show, and their speaking engagements, etc., are the family business. The other things, such as the towing "business" are more like side jobs that they do when they can."

I agree that their show and keeping up their Brand is important.

However, I feel like Jim Bob and Michelle and their older sons, ie Josh and John David are keeping the side gigs in case the show is not renewed or if they don't have any speaking engagements to go to.

I find them very business smart really. I run my own business myself and like the Duggars I don't have just one avenue of income coming in and I save what extra I get, because you never know. It sounds like Jim Bob and his Older sons are doing the same thing.

Like them, I enjoy the freedom of having money saved up so that I can see family or go places when I want to. That's probably why they have and are encouraged to own a small business.

Anonymous said...

Good luck John David! If you win, you'll be exposed to so many more things in the outside world, etc. What a great opportunity!

CappuccinoLife said...

Exactly how informed can a 20 year old be with no college education, no resources to learn information outside of the home, no newspapers, non-religious books, friends to debate/discuss the current events in the U.S., learning about WORLD politics, social ways, relationships, foods, languages.
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Aside from the no college bit, how exactly do you verify all the rest of that? It seems to be speculation, at best.

Especially the no non-religious books and no newspapers? Really??

What we do know is that he is a volunteer first responder. The VFD is not made up of Duggar clones, so he is interacting and working with non-Duggar people on a regular basis, as well as participating in a community based service and relating to people in the community.

We also know that he recently had an experience with a culture not just out of his home-town, but on the other side of the world. That certainly would have brought to his experience consideration of other cultures, languages, world politics, and food, if he hadn't thought of them before (which I don't believe to be true anyway).

We know his towing business requires interacting with people who are not of his family's particular brand of Christianity, as did helping Josh with the car business.

I think if he's interested in politics, city alderman would be a great place to start. He'll get a feel for what city government requires, and may be motivated to increase his knowledge and his qualifications if he wants to pursue higher office. For a 20-yo, it's a great opportunity to serve his small local community while also learning the ropes of politics. He'll even be interacting with more non-Duggar people on a regular basis, and having to work together, come up with compromises, and the like.

Anonymous said...

Did he win?

Anonymous said...

Not sure if he won or not, but he was behind his opponent by quite a few on the last update.

Anonymous said...

John lost. Good. I don't want the Duggars to think they can get far in politics without a decent education.

Cyn said...

John lost by all of 55 votes, that's recount territory in most counties. And that was the unofficial count, when the official count comes in for all we know he could have won or lost by even less.

Almost 80% of this city doesn't have a college education so I doubt having a college education factored much in their voting decisions.

For population 25 years and over in Tontitown

High school or higher: 77.5%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 16.5%
Graduate or professional degree: 4.8%

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Tontitown-Arkansas.html#ixzz14GRintGY (data is from 2009 stats)

Anonymous said...

"John lost. Good. I don't want the Duggars to think they can get far in politics without a decent education."

Yep mostly because his opponent was well liked and already in office. A friend of mine with a Bachelors Degree in Political Science had the same thing happen to him. We knew that John David stood no chance of winning.

However, he was running for a very small political office that's not just for the elite people who have gotten a degree. In fact, he probably could have done a better job than a college graduate.

We can't assume that because the Duggars don't have degrees or aren't considering college that they're immediately going to fail at life and be jobless. College isn't the only way to get a job.