Tuesday, October 12, Deep Dish Duggars

The Duggars are in Chi-town!  Jessa, Jinger, and their closest friends Michaela and Erin Bates, travel to Chicago for a music seminar and to tour the city.  Meanwhile, Jim Bob organizes the kids to wash the family's brigade of cars.

30 minutes

Closed for rule breaking and general rudeness of a few commenters.

87 comments:

Anonymous said...

Guess this is the trip Jessa was referring to in the last episode when she said Jana got to visit Central America and she and Jinger just went on a trip. She asked her dad to let Jill go to Nashville to pick up the new bus. Hmmmm ... one sis travels all the way to Central America, two go on a trip to Chicago with their friends and Jill gets to drive the big bus home from Nashville with her dad. Interesting ... I hope Jill didn't stay home both times because her parents needed her help. But then again, she obviously enjoys helping with the little ones, so who am I to question?

Anonymous said...

I wonder who the male escort was.

Anonymous said...

Wow, did the girls go by themselves with no one else? I'm surprised if that's the case. Good for them.

pumpkin said...

Are the camera crew their chapperones now?

Anonymous said...

When I read the episode title, "Deep Dish Duggars", an image from one of the early 1-hour specials popped into my mind. The one with Jana making two big industrial-sized pans of Tater Tot Casserole !

Anonymous said...

Shoe shopping? Well, Chicago probably does have a large selection of used shoes to pick through. (Can they do that without the patriarch there to approve their selections?)

bonehead said...

Well, I don't know of any Used shoe stores in the Downtown area.(they are pretty much out towards the suburbs)So unless that music seminar is in the suburbs, they must have bought new shoes and very expensive ones. Downtown shoe stores and even Target store Downtown are $3 to $4 more than the areas toward the suburbs. I live near the suburbs, in Chicago, and do shopping out that way, Downtown is too expensive(tourist trap)

Anonymous said...

Oh, isn't Gothard's HQ in a suburb of Chicago? The plot thickens....

Anonymous said...

I think we can be too picky sometimes. It's true that Jim Bob and Michelle have often said, "Buy used and save the difference." But it is OK if they sometimes wander off that track. We all have our little inconsistencies. Besides, the girls are old enough to decide for themselves if they want to sometimes, or always, buy new.
It's just good to know they have the freedom to travel and have experiences other than family field trips. I'm all for it!

Anonymous said...

Am I lost or has this discussion gone far afield? I see nothing in the program description about shoe shopping, or was it something in the preview that I have yet to see?

bonehead said...

I looked it up to where Gotthard, is in the suburbs. It is in Oak Brook, Il., This area is also an expensive suburban area. There is a Mall called Oak Brook Mall, expensive stores, there is a Wal-mart out that way, and a bunch of strip malls. Used stores are more on the edge of the city, and a few in the burbs, but not around, that I know of, in the Oak Brook area.

SuzanneDeAz said...

I am looking forward to seeing the girls taking a trip without their parents.

Anonymous said...

Ok... so they aren't touring alone... there is Anna Kellar and some other woman and MAN with a baby. So I guess they really can't go anywhere unescorted...

Anonymous said...

Did they say who the other young lady and the guy with them were? The ones that had a baby with them?

Anonymous said...

Do we know for fact they were escorts? Looked to me like they could have just been other people that were attending the conference thing and ended up going sightseeing with them.

Because when they went for pizza, that couple was no where in sight. So I doubt they were any sort of escorts.

Aggie2145 said...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the man that joined them on one day of the trip was Anna's brother along with his wife. That would make sense as Priscilla just joined the girls (Jessa, Jinger, Erin and Micheala Bates) for a day of sightseeing downtown.

I really applaud the Duggars for letting the girls travel alone from AR to Chicago and attend the conference alone. The male attendee looked more like an addition to the group than an escort - he was more in the background than trying to take over the show.

Sue said...

I wonder if the girls travel with security/bodyguards. They are pretty well-known, attractive and get marriage proposals via the internet. I really hope they have some protection when they travel.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoyed this episode and hope to see more like them. For the record, that wasn't Anna. It was her sister Priscilla.

Also, to me, it did seem as if there were some other adults on the trip with them (the guy and the woman with the baby). At first I thought they were just other tourists, but then I kept seeing them in almost every shot. Plus, we know that the TLC crew was there, so they weren't really "alone" per se.

~Jasmine

Nancy said...

I don't doubt for a second that this was a Gothard-run seminar. Loved the repeated references to the trip as "college," as if anyone with half a brain is going to buy that a four-day seminar resembles real college in any way.

Everyone on that tour was wearing the Gothard uniform. People like that don't "just happen" to all be in the same tourist trap, and agree to sign production waivers, all at the same time. Just because we didn't see the family (I'm sure it was their host family) on camera while the girls ate the "deep dish" (sorry, I prefer NY thin crust), doesn't mean they weren't at a table off-camera.

The Gothard-organized trips for the young men and women are well-organized in terms of adult chaperones, even for those who are legally adults, like Priscilla Keller and Michaela Bates (I think Erin is legal as well). Marriage is the only thing that makes them "adults" and no longer in need of chaperones. I think they're okay on the plane; someone has to drop them off (Jim Bob in this case). I doubt they're going to rush off into a bathroom and pull out Fear of Flying. :D

Love how Sean killed two birds with one stone showing Michelle washing a handful of dishes while watching 3 kids. Where were the rest of them? Where was JOSIE?

I caught a bad piece of editing at the end when Jim Bob said Michelle would be surprised to see all the clean cars. Wasn't she home when he announced they were going to wash cars? Anyway, they cut to Jill with Josie at that point.

Curious where Jana was? I suppose JD and Joseph can be accounted for: JD and Joseph would have to be together, I imagine, at JD's job. Wait, I didn't see Josiah either, come to think of it. Maybe the two younger ones were off doing repair work somewhere. Can JD do his job alone, or do the boys have to be chaperoned everywhere like the girls, until they're married?

AmyKB said...

Jennifer isn't saying much these days...
Strange shot of Erin Bates playing the piano outside. Erin's arrangement was pretty, but the beginning was just to high for so long! Overall, it was gorgeous! I hope that girl has opportunities to play beyond her home church, LoL!
What was Priscilla doing in Chicago? I liked the pop-up that Chicago has more restaurants than Tonitown has people. I feel like they were trying hard to make Jessa and Jinger indistinguishable, LoL.
I thought it was rude that the Duggar/Bates group was taking so much time trying to get out onto the ledge when there were obviously tons of people waiting. I also wondered what Jana was doing this episode. And I didn't see JoyAnna, either, but she might've been in the car-washing herd at some point.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe they now have product placements in their show. There was the Tonka Chuck Truck - just in time for viewer's early holiday shopping.

Jackson, Johanna and Jennifer were playing with two trucks in the beginning of the show, just as Michelle "washed" dishes" (though it looked to be the same piece she was cleaning over and over).

A Tonka Chuck Truck commercial followed, and then several more. I can't believe it.

By the way, Michelle looks about three months pregnant to be. You could sort of see her stomach despite her hiding behind the sink.

Nancy said...

Just to correct myself: upon rewatch (I can watch the east coast feed during dinner and the west coast feed later on), Michelle didn't appear in the scene in which Jim Bob talked to Jessa and Jinger then announced they were going to wash cars.

I also can account for one howler monkey and Jodryn (who were apparently in the pool room). I suppose this is one of those short breaks they take from schooling, IF they can do schooling without Jessa there (IF they taped in a real timeline and not all over the place, as they are wont to do on a fairly regular basis).

Enywho, I'll be the first one to admit I didn't see the scene correctly (the husband was a distraction). Michelle was gone ("running errands" according to Jill) when that scene was taped. My bad and mea culpas in advance.

19 Js said...

I guess people can stop trying to free Jinger now. She seems kind of nervous and not that adventurous. Free Jennifer instead since she got caught up in the Duggar stampede!!!

Nice sharing Jackson and very good waiting from Jennifer. I love how she snuck off with the truck though.

bonehead said...

Which Bates girl went? I tryed looking this music seminar up and found nothing, so it must be a Gotthard thing. The only Bethel Baptist church, that is close to Chicago is the one in Schaumburg, Il. Did anyone find anything on this? I was laughing at the car washing, when one of the little kids Jackson? was banging on the back of the car. Jimbob almost sounded as if he were about to have a cow. I also noticed that some of the things that have been brought up here, have been addressed on the show. Michelle not hugging her kids or doing some chores.

Anonymous said...

Aggie 2145 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the man that joined them on one day of the trip was Anna's brother along with his wife. That would make sense as Priscilla just joined the girls (Jessa, Jinger, Erin and Micheala Bates) for a day of sightseeing downtown.
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I was curious as to who the man and woman were with the small children too. I am not sure that Anna has an older brother or maybe she does, I know she has 8 sibilings but whoever he was, his family was definitely with the girls. However, I questioned whether or not he was a Keller because he had on shorts if you notice during the sightseeing trip. Shorts are not generally worn by the Gothard bunch. I could tell by the make up of the attendees that this was definitely a conference for those who share similar views as the Duggars. Nonetheless it was still good to see Jessa and Jinger have some time away from the family. It would be nice for all the children to have some experiences before they become tied down with their own family. Anna seemed so green and navie to life once she moved to Arkansas with Josh because she didn't have many independant experiences.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

The Duggars and the Batses are all Baptists and this was a Baptist seminar. Having grown up Baptist I can say first hand that modesty is taught as an overall principle and one need not be a "Gothard" follower to dress modestly in any Baptist church I ever attended; the Baptist does not as far as I recall recognize Bill Gothard as a leader. I have not attended a Baptist church for years but I did some research recently and find that there are points of contention between him and strong Baptist leaders. The Independent Baptist church does teach and encourage Independent thinking and it is actually one of their precepts. The point is, I really doubt that this seminar was connected with ATI, although I could be wrong about that. I attended a similar seminar as a teenager and it was both enjoyable and informative.

Anonymous said...

Jessa and Jinger did appear to be traveling alone to Chicago, at least other than the TLC crew. I was thinking I would have hated to send my teenage daughters to face Chicago's traffic and confusing roads alone but they may have had a GPS. It is a very easy city to get turned around in. However, if they had lost their way the crew would have undoubtedly filmed that so they probably are good navigators.

As far as Michelle being staged doing dishes and hugging her toddler, that may be so but I give her the benefit of the doubt. Jill was watching the baby to give her a break and housework would be a good change from being pretty much stuck in one room with a baby all day long.

I also thought it was cute to see Jennifer disappear up the stairs with the toy truck. It is good to know that these are normal children who do normal things like avoiding sharing.

Anonymous said...

More product placement (Swiffer, the Hormel Chili, now this Tonka truck). They are so obvious about it too (I like how the commercial came right after the segment on the truck sharing.

Those girls weren't alone. They were absolutely chaperoned, and the camera crew was there.

That was no college music conference. It was some ATI church music thing, because everyone was dressed exactly the same way. It's still nice for the girls, but let's be clear that it was still an ATI thing, not something really "in the real world" as Michelle wanted the viewers to believe.

Michelle looks so awkward talking to her children or tying to hug or comfort them. She really is not comfortable mothering them.

Josie looks cute, but still very developmentally delayed. I am still waiting to see if she can hold anything in her hands yet. She should be playing with toys, but at least Jill had her out of the bouncy seat that Michelle leaves her in all day and night.

Tammy C said...

Since we don't know who actually was with the girls who cares if he wore shorts!Not everyone who is with the Duggars is going to be a follower of Gothard or a strict follower.Even the Duggars don't follow every little rule of that cult.

nccalgal said...

Anna's sisters do not follow the "Gothard" regime. It was her BIL that blogged about the wedding and also said they decided that they weren't going to live such a legalistic lifestyle. If you remember the baby shower episode, when her sisters arrived, they were in short sleeveless dresses. Apparently the Kellers have demonstrated that they don't force their adult children to follow the program after they have "leaved and cleaved".

Anonymous said...

Michelle does look pregnant,and it appreared they were hiding her behind the sink in order not to reveal it yet.jmo.

MayDay said...

Interesting...Michelle doing dishes while watching some of the children. Michelle hugging one of the little girls when she got hurt. Some of the older girls having opportunities outside the home. These are exactly some of the things we discuss here on this board. Apparently damage control and product placement was in full swing in last night's episode.

Anonymous said...

If TLC is going to take the majority of their shows (recently)from comments on message boards, I think they need to start paying certain posters for stealing their ideas. They should subtitle the show "Damage Control".

Anonymous said...

The shot of Erin Bates playing piano outside was from a music video of sorts that has been shown before that is associated with her album that she made.

Anna does indeed have an older brother, and he is no longer a Gothard follower. I don't know if he's the one who was there with them or not but it could be. I've gotten the impression that Anna may be the only hardcore Gothard follower left in her family.

If that was product placement with that toy, yuck. I ff through all ads so I didn't see any, but that could very well be the case.

Anonymous said...

When Jordyn got hurt (via the ping pong table?)and was brought to Michelle for comforting, was that only because Jordyn's buddy was not available?

Anonymous said...

The shows are filmed at least two months in advance of when they are aired. So footage that seems to address recent criticisms on the blog (i.e., Michelle not hugging her kids, not doing housework) can't be in response to the criticisms of Michelle that have been discussed at length in the past four to six weeks. The footage of Michelle hugging Jordyn and washing dishes would have to have already been there prior to the discussions of the last month. It's possible that the producers picked them out of the existing footage and made sure to air them, but the footage would have already have to have been there. And Michelle wasn't washing a "handful" of dishes, that was a pretty good-sized amount of them. At the end of the segment it showed the amount washed, which was a large amount, and the ones still waiting to be washed, which was a collection of at least four very large bowls.

Also, when Michelle comforted Jordyn, Jordyn snuggled right into her and acted just like any baby would who is bonded with her mother. It didn't look like there were any bonding issues there to me.

Where was Josie? Probably in Michelle's room sleeping.

While it was good to see the girls out of town without their parents, they were hardly "on their own". The film crew, plus the other unnamed adults we kept seeing with them, means they were kept close tabs on. They wouldn't have had a chance to do something unapproved of if they had wanted to. One thing I was curious about - JimBob said the Bates girls invited Jessa and Jinger to go with them to the conference. Why not Jana and Jill too? Erin is good friends with Jana. It seems like if they had really only invited those two it would have made the other two feel slighted. It would be interesting to know the story with that.

Anonymous said...

One other thing - I hate to be snarky, but what was up with Jinger's hair in this episode? One side of it was hanging down several inches longer than than the other side, and in general looked unkempt, which is unusual for her. I found it very distracting. I guess we all have a bad hair day now and then!

Hailey said...

I loved this episode! It was wonderful to see Jessa and Jinger's (never pegged her for a scardy cat, always pictured her as what would be considered, in the non fundemenatlist world, as the sporty adventourous type), distinct personalities peeking through in their interviews and scene's in Chicago. They seemed so much like fairly normal (it's a relative term)teenage girls!

Please, please, please, TLC give us more episodes like this, focusing on one or two of the older children. I'm glad Josie is okay, but it's nice to see an episode focus on a different Duggar (Michelle and Jim Bob don't count).

I did laugh (and cringe a little) when, after calling home and hearing all the children screaming in the background, one of the Bates girls said something along the lines of "we need some babies here" and the other girls giggled and nodded. Now I have an adorable little baby brother whose 18 years younger than me (plus three more younger siblings), and I love taking care of him and doting on him just as much as the next older sister, but seriously girls? Your in Chicago eating deep dish pizza and you're thinking about taking care of babies?! I'm hoping the statement was made in jest :)

Overall I thought it was a great episode and look forward to more like it. Perhaps one pinning down the elusive answer to the question: "Whats Joy up to?"

Anonymous said...

I have think there has been many comments all over the internet and magazines etc. that could explain why Michelle is now washing dishes. When you think of how large that family is, that was a small amount of dishes she was washing.

It was so very obvious the toys were product placements, right along with showing the boxes that the toys were delivered in, that had been cut into a tunnel. Then the commercial advertising the trucks right after the kids had played with them.

My guess is that Jill will be spending a lot more time in Michelle's room taking care of Josie now that Michelle is "comfortable" letting her buddy take care of her.

Kay said...

There's a bit of an argument that's been going on lately-- the "producers watch this board and make shows accordingly" vs. "these scenes were filmed months ago, you people are crazy."

Both sides have reasonable arguments. After all, the scenes WERE shot months ago-- but it is sort of funny how, in this season, we always see the Duggars trying to prove they're good parents that don't overwork their kids and let them have freedom (which is what most people complain and wonder about on these boards).

I think there are two important things to remember: one, the issues people have been talking about on this blog have been talked about for longer than the past month, and, two, editing can be done as soon as a couple weeks before the show airs. It doesn't matter when the footage was filmed: if they need to prove Michelle is a good mom, they find some footage of her kissing Hanny or something and shove it into an episode.

However, it seems more likely to me that the editors made a simple list, before filming, of the things people on blogs complain and wonder about-- and then filmed the season accordingly. They're smart people, these editors-- they want us to watch, find something to complain or question, then go to the blogs and give the show lots of free advertising by posting about the Duggars.

That said, if I'm right, they're watching the blogs now for material to film for the next season... it'll be interesting to see what the subject matter is.
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That said, I'm usually one who snarks about the new episodes and am generally disappointed by them. I liked last night's show! Sure, it was so obviously set up-- the girls were not on their own, the product placement, etc-- but more entertaining then, "lets go to the zoo," or "look at us on a bus. Isn't this fun?"

Reality TV Junkie said...

By the way, Michelle looks about three months pregnant to be. You could sort of see her stomach despite her hiding behind the sink.
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I doubt she is pregnant right now, but my guess would be she just hasn't lost her baby weight. She always went to Weight Watchers after every birth, but I don't think she had time considering Josie was more time consuming.

Steve knight said...

Why would Michelle be washing dishes by hand when they have a commercial dishwasher that would do it in a few minutes? this is a sure sign of staging.

Nancy said...

Sorry to keep bugging this thread, but I just recalled that Joy was playing with the little ones when Michelle began the scene at the sink. When the camera moved to the kids, Joy was very quick to get out of the scene.

Definitely producer-directed. Joy was there to keep the kids busy while Michelle taped her solo vignette and when the transition was made, she scooted outta there. The producer's mistake was showing the footage of her leaving. Had they cut that out, one could actually believe Michelle had spent some time doing dishes and interacting with the little ones playing with the trucks.

FWIW, people have made the same criticisms about Michelle for several years; it hasn't just popped up here or elsewhere. A lot of this season is merely "Duggar Damage Control."

Anonymous said...

I have been to the music conference that the girls went to. It is not associated with Gothard nor does it have a dress code for the event. The people that attend tend to be more interested in classical or conservative Christian music. I was pleasantly surprised to see the judge for Erin Bates to be one of our friends that has moved away. Glad the girls got to see the sights as Chicago is awesome!

Anonymous said...

Why would Michelle be washing dishes by hand when they have a commercial dishwasher that would do it in a few minutes? this is a sure sign of staging.

10/13/2010 10:02 AM

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looked like she was washing plastic containers, which often can't go in dishwashers.

Celestie said...

Yawn!

So footage that seems to address recent criticisms on the blog (i.e., Michelle not hugging her kids, not doing housework) can't be in response to the criticisms of Michelle that have been discussed at length in the past four to six weeks.

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It is easy to reshoot scenes and plug them in at a later time.. Michelle generally wears the same thing, with the same hair style. I've noticed the children often appear in the "same" scene in different clothing. Ah thus the unreality, in reality TV

Anonymous said...

Once again, it's great reading other people's comments and I highly respect the opinions of those who have a different opinion then me. With that said, I have a different opinion and a couple comments.

First of all, I still don't get why people think that the 4 eldest daughters do the majority, if not all of the work, when there are 4 adults above their age and 7 younger siblings that can and do have chores and help out. Jana, Jill, Jessa and Jinger are in my eyes not slaves, because of the vast amount of people in their house. To me saying things like, I wonder where Jordyn's buddy is or where is Josie. I agree that Josie could be napping at that point and Michelle is trying to multitask. I don't see anything out of place with Michelle holding Jordyn or taking care of her kids. She just has so much to do, more than we see, that's for sure.

2nd, If it was an ATI, conservative Christian music seminar, then that's fine with me. Just like some of us reject the conservative Christian ideas, it's possible that the Eldest Daughters in the Duggar and Bates family reject liberal ideas as well. Just because they're raised in a Christian background doesn't mean that they have to want to become liberal to be happy. They may be happy with that lifestyle, we will never know for certain, but that is some people's cup of tea.

Thirdly, I'm not surprised that one of the daughters made the comment that there needed to be some babies around. Some young adults love being around kids and having kids. That is their passion in life. Again this could be the case with the Duggar Eldest Daughters and the Daughters in the Bates family as well. Sure, they could have a career, sure they could go to college, sure they could be working a job, or they could love childcare and dream of being a stay at home mom. Why do they have to want to go to college and work a job? Why couldn't they want to be stay at home moms?

Anonymous said...

Last night's episode was the best I've seen in a long time.

I'm wondering if anyone else saw a commercial around midnight last night for I assume next week's show. I wasn't paying close attention, but I believe Jim Bob and Michelle were at a drs. office and the voice over by Jim Bob said Michelle had been having pain in her side. The next clip showed her in a wheelchair with a bouquet of flowers on her lap and the voice over mentioned the kids having missed their mom.

bonehead said...

The listing for next week is Michelle was having problems with her Gallblatter. It was nice to see trips the other kids take and not the family trips.

Anonymous said...

"Michelle looks so awkward talking to her children or tying to hug or comfort them. She really is not comfortable mothering them."
What looked awkward about it? Looked natural to me. Jordyn also looked perfectly content to be snuggling in her mom's arms, if it had been a first-time event I doubt she would have looked comfortable. Regarding being staged, you can't stage that. You can't tell a toddler to get hurt and then cry. She's a one year old, and she has no choice but to be genuine.

Doing dishes could of course be staged. But those dishes she was washing appeared to be mostly plastic containers, which don't do well in the dw, and huge mixing bowls, which also don't go in the the dw. Could be the reason why - or we could just say it was staged. But if they needed housework to be staged, why wash dishes by hand that could go in a dw? Why not have her vacuum, sweep, mop, dust, clean a bathroom, wipe the kitchen table, or something else? I don't think it makes much sense that the dishes were staged. JMHO.

"one, the issues people have been talking about on this blog have been talked about for longer than the past month"

True, but not at the same firestorm pace of the last month or so. I've been a reader of this blog for the past year, and the issues of Michelle's mothering and amount of work she does tends to flare up and then wane, then flare up again. There has been a definite increase in the last month or so in criticisms of Michelle's perceived housework contribution.

"and, two, editing can be done as soon as a couple weeks before the show airs. It doesn't matter when the footage was filmed: if they need to prove Michelle is a good mom, they find some footage of her kissing Hanny or something and shove it into an episode."

A good point. The footage of Michelle mothering her kids, doing housework, kissing a child, etc. would have to already have taken place months ago for the producers to be able to find the footage they want two weeks before airing to be able to prove whatever point they feel is most pressing at that moment. Is it not possible that Michelle is actually doing all these things all the time regardless of what blogs are saying at any given time? I am inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

"but at least Jill had her out of the bouncy seat that Michelle leaves her in all day and night."

There's no evidence that Michelle does this. We've seen Josie in the bouncy seat a few times, sure, but we've also seen her being held, fed, carried around, held some more, fed some more, in the swing, in the stroller, in her car seat, on her changing table, carried around some more, talked to, played with, and held some more. If we're just going on footage we've seen, it looks like the bouncy seat plays a pretty small role in Josie's life.

Anonymous said...

Ginger's hair- not so bad but Erin Bate's hair pulled up like that makes her look so old. She is just 19 or 20 and that hairstyle makes her look more like 30.

Give Josie some toys!! said...

What we have yet to see with Josie are any toys or stimulation, which all babies, and especially premies, need. She is seven months old, adjusted age, or at least five or more when this was filmed. She should be nearly sitting up, playing and looking at the world!

Where is a mobile, a rattle, a soft plush animal, a chewy toy, etc? Josie should be handling and looking at things, because this is the way she will grow and develop. She will not grow and develop sitting in her bouncy seat or lying, unsupervised, on a changing table.

Of course, now I expect that we'll see an episode or two with Josie playing with a toy, because there is very, very close reading of this blog, and response to criticism in the form of "segments".

Anonymous said...

Hey, I'm 35 and would never wear a frumpy hair style like Erin Bates! Give us 30+ year olds some credit!

Sharla said...

19 Kids and Counting (9pm)
- 1.283 million viewers
- 0.9/1 HH
- 0.5/1 A18-49

Anonymous said...

"but seriously girls? Your in Chicago eating deep dish pizza and you're thinking about taking care of babies?! I'm hoping the statement was made in jest :)"

I was thinking the same thing.

Anonymous said...

Last night's episode was so good. It was refreshing to see just some of the kids together. Not all of them piled in a van going somewhere or getting pics done. It seemed much less hectic. It was nice to see Jess and Jinger were allowed to make such a big trip without other family....even if there was an escort. Can't say I will want my kids going to Chicago alone even at that age. I am a little over protective though. And Michelle just standing there washing dishes. Such a nice relaxing episode.

Anonymous said...

So sorry 35 year old anonymous~ I am giving you credit for not wearing a hairstyle like that. Maybe her hairstyle looked more like a 60 year old? I do not want to say 50 year old because that is my age range. Erin Bates has such a pretty face~ I would like to see her get a younger looking hairstyle.

Anonymous said...

snoozefest 2010

Anonymous said...

I've always thought Erin Bates hair was her best feature. I love it. I think she's so sweet too. I thought this was a fun episode to watch.

Anonymous said...

I find it really surprising that all of Jinger and Jessa's friends are friends of the family who live in other states. Are there no other teenager girls in their town. Don't they get out of the house to meet people? Anna has lived in the area for 1yr (?) and we've already seen her hanging out with a new girl friend.

Anonymous said...

To add to comments that have been made about Erin Bates's hair, she has a beautiful head of hair, gorgeous, but everytime I see her the style puts me in the mind of a Victorian era beauty. It reminds me how turn of the century women wore their hair especially on last night's episode. I have visited a few website that promote views similar to the Bates and they often have illustrations of women with their hair styled in this manner. Maybe that's where she got the idea? I don't know but it definitely reminds me of how the Pentacostal women or FLDS women share hairstyles. JMO

Anonymous said...

ha - I wouldn't worry about my daughters in Chicago either if I knew a trusted group of male adults (the film crew) were going to be with them!

As for Michelle's parental involvement and housework- I think there's "power in numbers" so to speak. So many people think there's something 'off' about Michelle's role in the home. It's not a small segment of the population here on this board. Lots and lots of people take issue with what they see not only in ONE episode, but in the overall show. I have to say.. that speaks more to me than one clip of Michelle doing dishes or kissing a child.

As for the scene of Michelle doing dishes being staged or not, I think that's missing the point. Why do you think the film crew FILMED that moment in the first place? It's a pretty boring scene, after all. And why did that clip end up in the episode? Because it's "proof" that Michelle does housework.

Anonymous said...

Anon said:
I find it really surprising that all of Jinger and Jessa's friends are friends of the family who live in other states. Are there no other teenager girls in their town. Don't they get out of the house to meet people? Anna has lived in the area for 1yr (?) and we've already seen her hanging out with a new girl friend.
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Not all of the Duggar girls friends live out of state. And what friend has Anna made? The girl from the car lot? She is the wife of Josh Duggar's friend, also named Josh and actually, I am almost sure, they too are ATI homeschool conference alums. Anna speaks of them as if she knew them before she married Josh. I don't agree with the comment that all of the Duggars friends live out of state however I do agree that most if not all of their friends share the same or similar principles as they do i.e. Gothard principles.

Anonymous said...

Funny so many of the Gothard comments. I used to go to the church they went to. It is in Schaumburg (Bethel Baptist) and they seminar was one put on by a ministry group (Majesty Music) that does sacred music teaching and theory in churches. They also put on a concert at the end of the seminar. Fairly harmless stuff.

Anonymous said...

I have a couple of comments to share.

First of all, when it comes to Michelle's parenting, yes there are more negative comments then positive, but not everyone feels like Michelle does nothing all day. I haven't seen enough proof to be able to assume she sits around all day doing nothing and I haven't seen proof that she does everything either. Really, I feel like none of us have enough evidence to claim anything as fact. Anything said about this is based on our subjective opinions and nothing more.

Secondly, yeah I agree, the episodes do seem to address the concerns brought up on here. It's important to understand that this is not the only place where the Duggars are discussed in a negative light. Some of the issues discussed on here are not new and have been discussed here and other places many times.

Although, I will admit that the comments made on here are tame compared to some of the comments made on other boards and forums. Thank you to Sharla and the other moderators for having rules that keep people from saying some of the not so tame things that are said about the Duggars on other boards. This is why I read this board and only this board.

Really, I think the editors read what's said on all the boards and the same issues brought up on here are brought up in other places. I'm not surprised that they address the things that are said on this board and other boards. It's part of what the public relations professionals do and I would be surprised if the shows were edited to target issues the public has about the Duggar family.

Anonymous said...

Josie looks cute, but still very developmentally delayed. I am still waiting to see if she can hold anything in her hands yet. She should be playing with toys, but at least Jill had her out of the bouncy seat that Michelle leaves her in all day and night.

Josie's adjusted age at the time this was taped would have been about four months. You would also need to take into account how sick she was for much of her first six months outside the womb.

If you have seen the pictures of her in People magazine (the ones they were taking an episodes ago), JB is holding her up in the air and she is holding her limbs like a normal baby with good muscle tone and appears to be smiling and laughing. She may be somewhat delsayed, but a child with significant cerebral palsy would be doing what we call "scissoring" with her legs, not holding them at a natural angle. I think Josie is going to be just fine. I also have seen toys, mobiles, etc in that nursery and I certainly don't believe that Michelle leaves her cooped up in an infant seat, etc all the time. She never did that with her other children so why would she with this one?

Josie may breathe easier in the sitting position the infant seat allows. In the hospital babies are placed in these inside their cribs to ease their breathing when they have respiratory difficulties.

Swissmiss said...

Someone mentioned driving around Chicago. I don't think the Duggar girls did that. I know they showed them driving away from their house, but according to mapquest, they live 10 hours away from Chicago. I image they left their car at the airport and flew to the Windy City.

Anonymous said...

"As for the scene of Michelle doing dishes being staged or not, I think that's missing the point. Why do you think the film crew FILMED that moment in the first place? It's a pretty boring scene, after all. And why did that clip end up in the episode? Because it's "proof" that Michelle does housework."
She's darned if she does and darned if she doesn't then isn't she? It's boring to be filmed but if it's not then she's accused of not doing it, so then when it's filmed it's "staged". I definitely don't think the Duggars are perfect but I don't think that everything they do should be criticized just because they're the Duggars.
Robin

Anonymous said...

"I definitely don't think the Duggars are perfect but I don't think that everything they do should be criticized just because they're the Duggars."

They're not criticized because they're the Duggars, they're criticized because they're on a reality show and in the media. If they don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. No one is making them do this. They choose to be on this show and keep themselves in the spotlight. All the have to do is shut down the show and tell People and The Today Show no.

Anonymous said...

"They're not criticized because they're the Duggars, they're criticized because they're on a reality show and in the media."

I understand the scrutiny that comes with a reality show, I was just pointing out how illogical that particular post was, it was just complaining for the sake of complaining.

Robin

Kitten said...

...according to mapquest, they live 10 hours away from Chicago. I image they left their car at the airport and flew to the Windy City.

Actually, it would make FAR more sense for them to drive. It's a one-day trip, with multiple drivers to switch off. Total cost: whatever gas is needed, and maybe a few snacks along the way.

Compare that to flying, which requires a 3-hr drive to the Little Rock airport, parking costs for several days, prob ~$250 RT per person for the flight, and the cost of a rental car or public transportation in Chicago.

Plus if you drive, you can take extra stuff, stop to stretch your legs, watch the scenery, etc. They'd be crazy if they DIDN'T drive.

Now, if TLC paid for everything, maybe the cost doesn't matter, but if I were a Duggar girl, I would STILL want to drive, just to see different things and get a small taste of being "on my own" (albeit with a camera crew in tow, but still...).

Anonymous said...

A family that is buying a $400k bus can surely spring for a few airplane tickets. However I doubt they had to and it was all part TLC's production costs. (After all, TLC *did* send a camera crew half way around the world to get episode footage.)

Anonymous said...

Actually, there's an airport in Fayetteville, Arkansas. That was the airport the girls were shown going into. I've flown in to that airport and it's a very nice one.

Kit said...

Actually, there's an airport in Fayetteville, Arkansas.

I stand corrected, kind of. The only thing that changes is the time to drive to the airport. Ticket cost, parking, time spent waiting to check in/go through security, need for rental car on other end -- all the same.

And no, I don't think the mode of transportation was solely based on the cost, as it's quite clear the Duggars could afford to fly a couple of their kids to Chicago, even if TLC wasn't picking up the tab.

But I still think *I* would have chosen to drive - way more fun and relaxing overall, unless you have a fetish for little bags of pretzels and peanuts. But that's just me...

Anonymous said...

Regarding people's concerns with Josie's development, you have to remember that Josie is a micro-preemie, not your standard preemie. They do use adjusted age for micros, but doctors also will adjust age for babies and toddlers who spend long periods of time sick and/or hospitalized. So in reality, Josie's adjusted age is likely much lower than just in comparison to her due date.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 9:07: You said it well!Anyone who chooses to put their family life on display for a tv viewing audience is inviting scrutiny and critique. If being the recipient of this obvious and inevitable outcome of starring in your own 'reality' tv is so abhorrent to a person, that person needs to pull the plug. This is not rocket science here, the solution is a simple one.


Re: Mrs. D washing dishes on camera: if we can accept that this scene was stages, why is it such a stretch to realize the whole show is staged and scripted?

mythoughtis said...

I might have chosen to drive, also.... but given the fact that there were 2 young women, who are not used to driving for that long at a stretch, and who would be driving thru Ark, Missouri, and the entire length of Illinois, into Chicago, I might consider planes also.

I'm from Illinois, and I hate driving in Chicago. I would never let my teenager (who is also 180 drive in it. He may be of legal age, but the car belongs to me.

bonehead said...

Jessa & Jinger are too young to be driving that distance by themselves. They are not that worldly and too young, too many things can happen, too many weirdos on the road. I have driven to Des Moines, Iowa from Chicago and back by myself, when I was 20. and I've drive to Columbus, Ohio, with friends. There are too many weirdos and some truckers who will run you off the road, if you don't get out of their way. I've experienced this first hand. I hope that it was a plane they took.

Kitten said...

Jessa & Jinger are too young to be driving that distance by themselves.

You forget the TLC camera crew that accompanied them. They weren't alone, no matter what their mode of transportation was.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I am happy that the trucks were a product placement as most likely they did not have to purchase them. They did not look like they were second hand items. Great product placement!

Anonymous said...

About the dangers of young girls driving long distances-

I don't really think it's that dangerous for young girls to drive long distances, even if they are a little green-horned. I did it and survived, and that was before cell phones!
Certainly, freak things are going to happen-- road ragers, accidents, flat tires, freaky people at rest stops-- but these situations are just as dangerous for young boys as they are for young girls. Heck, they're dangerous for adults!
I don't think Jim Bob would let Jess&Jinger drive so far, but if they did, I'm sure they would've had the wherewithal to pull over and use their cell phones if there was danger. Or, park in well-lit areas and stick together when out of the car (things any good parent warns their kids about)

Anonymous said...

"Definitely producer-directed. Joy was there to keep the kids busy while Michelle taped her solo vignette and when the transition was made, she scooted outta there. The producer's mistake was showing the footage of her leaving. Had they cut that out, one could actually believe Michelle had spent some time doing dishes and interacting with the little ones playing with the trucks."


Yes Joy was seen at the beginning of this segment, but I don't see how the above conlcusion can be made, or what her presence or lack thereof has to do with Michelle's parenting of the little ones or washing dishes? If Joy was there playing with the little ones great, if she wasn't, that's great too. She could have had myriad reasons for not being filmed with the little ones right then.

Anonymous said...

"As for Michelle's parental involvement and housework- I think there's "power in numbers" so to speak. So many people think there's something 'off' about Michelle's role in the home. It's not a small segment of the population here on this board. Lots and lots of people take issue with what they see not only in ONE episode, but in the overall show. I have to say.. that speaks more to me than one clip of Michelle doing dishes or kissing a child."


I don't agree with this theory at all. Just because there are lots of people who think something has no bearing on how I form my opinions, or even if something is actually true or not. Each person has to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions based on sound evidence and critical thinking, among other things. If we didn't, we'd all just be a herd of sheep.

One other thing to keep in mind is that there are probably just as many people who like or admire the Duggars as there are criticizers and detractors - but most Duggar supporters aren't going to be posting on this board. Just the name itself - Duggars Without Pity - is probably enough to keep most of them away. There are various other boards on the internet with many many positive comments about the Duggars. I don't think they're all coming from fundies just like the Duggars either. I'm not one, and I happen to like the Duggars, for example.

The extremely small segment of the population that posts on this and other boards isn't a large enough sample to draw a conclusion one way or the other that "most people" like or dislike the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

.." the trucks were a product placement as most likely they did not have to purchase them."

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Is selling out your family's privacy worth a few plastic truck toys?

Anonymous said...

"Just because there are lots of people who think something has no bearing on how I form my opinions, or even if something is actually true or not."

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Well said, Anonymous! Thinking something just because it seems everybody thinks it, is misguided at best, dangerous at worst. Besides, you can usually find plenty of people who agree with what you happen to think. Take the two major political parties for example. There are millions of people who belong to one, millions of people who side with the other. Does the side with the most numbers automatically mean they are "right"? No, it is a matter of personal opinion and preference.

I have my own opinions about the Duggars, but I've formed my opinions by observing the family and rational thought. I don't form my opinions of them by looking for the general consensus on the board.

Duhhhhhhh! said...

What is all this talk about the Duggar girls driving a long distance? All we saw was them driving to the local airport. Jim Bob was in the passenger seat. In Chicago it looked like they walked or took public transportation. People rarely rent cars when staying in the city.

Anonymous said...

@SuzanneDeAz

I'm a really snarky person by nature and some of the apparent "hypocrisy" in this show irks me.

With that said, your comments have really kept some things in perspective to me. If those kids get some new things they wouldn't have otherwise, good for them. Hopefully it all balances out for them.