Free Discussion November 2010

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, or personal stories. Thank you!

170 comments:

Sharla said...

To anonymous who sent several comments through late at night PDT the past few nights and complained that they don't go through. Sending comments through without a reasonable attempt at correct capitalization, punctuation, and grammar will continue to result in all comments being rejected. Your point of view is not relevant, but the readability of the comments is. I will also not send through any of your comments that I know are patently false or off topic.

Anonymous said...

I've been re-watching older episodes on Netflix the past few days and I'm at one where they talk about the chore packs and each child (maybe just the younger ones?) has the chore pack attached to them to help remind them what they need to do next in regards to schoolwork, chores, etc. I'm just curious if anyone knows whether or not they still use them? Personally, I haven't noticed them in newer episodes, but I haven't been looking for them either.

Allison said...

Michelle was on an online radio show last week and it was pretty interesting. Lots of the same "party line" answers, but still a good listen. Some notes:

Jill apparently is the one who is going into being a doula, and Jinger might be becoming a professional photographer. Right now, Jinger's just doing it for the family, but it sounds like she's purchased some professional equipment.

John David apparently was the one who suggested running for office, and Michelle says they were very surprised but supportive.

Michelle also denies that any of the older children courting. So there you go.

Michelle said they "trained" the little ones to be more self-sufficient in part because of Michelle's morning sickness that she would get.

Josie update: She's great, and weights 15 lbs. Apparently can rolls and can crawl a little, and is starting to babble.

Michelle says they are working on a 2nd book that will be out Summer 2011.

You can listen to it here on iTunes: http://toginet.com/podcasts/livingthedreammom/LivingTheDreamMomLIVE_2010-10-28.mp3?type=showpage

Cyn said...

It's the younger ones that wear them in "packs" on their belts. I've seen them on the boys even in this season. The older kids have requested lists to make it easier on themselves.

What I haven't seen is any on the younger girls... guess they are just getting a free pass.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Does anyone know what Michelles' new books will be about? My bet is it will be on the story of Josie.

Celestie said...

Jill apparently is the one who is going into being a doula, and Jinger might be becoming a professional photographer.

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Are either one of them taking any training or is this just another Jill is interested, Jinger is going to be. At their age, they should be working at or studying their craft.

Wonder if Michelle is ever going to answer real questions such as the ones that we asked on this blog?

I would like to have time to write a book as well, maybe when I have my boys raised. Must be nice to have all that free time.

Duggar Fan said...

Has anyone seen the new TLC video about Justin’s Jurisdiction? He is has to clean and sweep the playroom.

http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/19-kids-and-counting/

Was it Jinger or Jessa who he asked check his Jurisdiction?

Allison said...

Are either one of them taking any training or is this just another Jill is interested, Jinger is going to be. At their age, they should be working at or studying their craft.

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According to the interview, Jill is taking a class (which she is apparently starting this week), and has also been observing and shadowing other midwives.

Michelle did not make it sound like Jinger was taking any professional courses, just that some of her photographs were being used for "professional" purposes (family marketing). I know that Jessa and Jinger are both really into photography and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them started an "at-home" business while being a mom or something.

Anonymous said...

Jill is taking "a class"?

Why is it that none of the Duggars seem capable of a normal full time college student credit hour load?

The School of The Dining Room remains unimpressive.

Out of 19 kids, I'll be surprised if even ONE of them graduates from an accredited (muchless ranked) college.

Mama in WI said...

I think that to be a doula, you don't have to take a ton of classes. I checked the Doulas of North America website and it sounds like you take 16 hours of workshops. I think other agencies vary as far as certification requirements, if they have any at all. So Jill could very well be well on her way to being a doula. Exciting!

Anonymous said...

Jill is taking "a class"?
"Why is it that none of the Duggars seem capable of a normal full time college student credit hour load?

The School of The Dining Room remains unimpressive.

Out of 19 kids, I'll be surprised if even ONE of them graduates from an accredited (muchless ranked) college."

I don't think the Eldest Duggar Sons and Daughters not attending college full time has anything to do with them not being encouraged or not having the education to.

They have a GED. I have a few friends who were homeschooled around the dining room table and on the computer like the Duggars who got a GED instead of a diploma and they're fine college students or graduates.

I think it has more to do with the fact that believe it or not college is not for every one. It may not be for the Duggars and they may want to pursue careers such as business ownership, being in construction, owning a towing business or being a doula or being a hair dresser that one of them wants to be.

It's true that these careers can be taken care of in trade school. I know trade schools aren't a high level achievement like graduating with an undergraduate or graduate degree, but they would still be gaining a skill that would lead to a career possibly as high paying as a job that someone can get with a college degree. Why can't they learn something from a trade school if that's what they truly want?

I was taught to look down on trade school and think of college, but I like many people do not have the stamina nor the interest to do 4 years of school. It's possible that the Duggar children feel the same way.

In any case, they do seem to be going towards careers that require trade school and ending up with jobs and businesses that people do need. Even if they're not ending up to be Doctors, Lawyers and Scientists. Although I would watch out for Joyanna cause it seems like she does want to be a nurse and would be great at it.

Anonymous said...

I was taught to look down on trade school and think of college, but I like many people do not have the stamina nor the interest to do 4 years of school. It's possible that the Duggar children feel the same way.
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I agree that a four-year college is not for everyone. But the Duggar children aren't even attending trade schools. That's the real shame I see in their very limited schooling - they are not being taught or trained in any real career options.

There are so many careers that don't require a college degree, but yet still need specialized training and education: mechanic, plumber, contractor, hairdresser, nursing, dental technician, and the list goes on and on.

The fact is, Mr. and Mrs. Duggar and those that are of the same religious beliefs, purposely keep their children out of any accredited schools because they want to keep separate from the rest of the world. If they are allowed to take a class, like the Bates girl who took one music class at a nearby religious college, it's a HUGE deal, and since it was a girl, she had to have a sister go with her as a chaperone. (Ridiculous if you as me.)

So a Duggar girl is allowed to take a Gothard-approved class to become a doula. Big deal. It's still something that is strictly supervised, so she's not really being allowed to make adult choices.

Living apart from the world is not the answer.

Anonymous said...

I would like to have time to write a book as well, maybe when I have my boys raised. Must be nice to have all that free time.
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Celestie, if you would only have your children take over most of the housework via jurisdictions, you'd find that free time!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I did notice not too long ago someof the children were using a chore pack or at least it was mentioned.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

It may not be that the girls are getting a free pass if you do not see a chore pack. It may be because they do not wear belts like the boys do.

Lola said...

The younger girls aren't getting a 'free pass'- they are still preschoolers! Johannah is just turning 5. I'm sure in a few years she will also get a chore pack so that Michelle can sit back and watch the kids continue to run her household.

Kay said...

"Was it Jinger or Jessa who [Justin] asked check his Jurisdiction?"

Jinger.

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"Johannah is just turning 5. I'm sure in a few years she will also get a chore pack..."

The Duggars said they give the young kids picture-based chore packs, with instructions like brushing their teeth, putting their clothes in the hamper, and making their beds.

I have noticed that you don't really see chore pack on the kids lately... perhaps they finish all their chores early on filming days, or keep the chore packs off-camera so the audience isn't distracted. Also, if you watch "Justin's Jurisdiction," you'll notice he has a list posted, not a chore pack.

Anonymous said...

Last night, I watched an old episode of "Supernanny" featuring a family with ten kids. The oldest three kids (particularly the oldest boy) did a lot of the childcare of his siblings, and was quite resentful. Jo (the nanny) was horrified at the fact that the parents! She was able to get the parents to see that they were using their kids as surrogate parents and denying them a childhood.

Would it be so nice if Supernanny could visit the Duggar parents and put sense in their heads?

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen the Supernany episode with the large family, but I don't think she would be talking 'sense' into the Duggar family. From what we see on the show (and yes, it could be different in "real life"), the older siblings are not resentful of their duties or demonstrate poor behavior as a result of a lost childhood.

Anonymous said...

Two Duggar sightings today! A couple of girls and a boy were at an intersection holding campaign signs. Jim Bob and two younger boys were at an intersection across town, also holding up campaign signs. Although I heard another trio was at yet another intersection, I did not see it for myself.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=138370592878509&set=a.133557140026521.30043.126292304086338

Anonymous said...

We actually don't know what the older girls think though, because they are never asked or allowed to voice a real opinion that isn't parroting the words of their father.

Perhaps they hate diaper and laundry duty and the loss of their own childhoods. Shame that they aren't allowed to say.

Anonymous said...

I'm really getting tired of all the modesty talk from the duggars. Seems like every other episode they talk about how they don't wear pants because some guy might have impure thoughts about them.

It's down right insulting. They act like every guy is a pervert lusting after every pretty girl he sees.

Anonymous said...

just wanted to add, something postive for Change..lol..That gravy train as we call It as allowed josh and anna to Sponser a kid In africa.. thats pretty good thing to do,

Anonymous said...

This episode seemed like it would be interesting so I stayed up to watch the 9p showing. I thought it was great.

I really like how the daughters kept their beliefs that are personal to them and not anyone else. I like how they stay consistent with things like modesty and don't shelve their values or change them to a more relaxed view because of what viewers might think.

That's always what impresses me about them and I'm glad that the Fire Chief said that the EMT skirts were completely fine.

I also liked that they were able to poke fun with each other about how the men weren't interested in fashion like the women in the store were. It's cool to see bits and pieces of their personality, they seem well adjusted and happy with a personality of their own.

Suzie said...

Josh and Anna aren't sponsoring a kid. They're sponsoring a missionary family in a country whose name I can't spell.

Not sure if Jill can shadow a midwife, unless she's like-minded. It's likely she has shadowed the woman who attended Anna's birth and led the pre-natal classes for both Michelle and Anna (and spouses). The classes she will take are most definitely Gothard curriculum, as would be any instruction Jinger has in photography (which is HUGE in the Gothard movement, evidenced by the sheer number of ATI family blogs). I haven't seen Jessa with a camera for over a year, at least.

I recall the younger boys with chore packs around four years of age. I'm sure Johannah has something, just not sure where she carries it (and don't remember how Joy carried hers in the early specials). But I did see a chore pack or two on fairly recent episodes, so they are still in rotation, although they may have been changed over the years from the original model we saw, complete with the color-coded chart. I imagine that's computerized these days.

Anonymous said...

I have used the chore packs that the Duggars use with their younger children, and they are just clip-on packets that will attach anywhere on a child's clothing. Girls wearing dresses can clip them to their collar, or sleeve, or just about anywhere else. The child isn't supposed to wear it all day, just until their morning or evening chores are done, at which point they turn it in to a parent or older sibling. So that's why we don't see them very often.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but I have to disagree about the "enough with the modesty" idea. I, for one, find the modesty talk refreshing, and I'm about as liberal-minded as they come. I don't necessarily agree that wearing pants defrauds men, but I do think it's nice to have someone talking about modesty in public (on TV).

Kay said...

I'm sick of the modesty talk. Not because I disagree with it (to each his own!) but just because it's CONSTANTLY brought up on the show. We KNOW they like modest clothing: we watch them every week, in their skirts and long pants (no shorts!), and have seen them tackle modesty in all different arenas... weddings, swimming, in a movie, now volunteering! (yay) WE GET IT, you're concerned with your modesty. We don't need it explained to us over-and-over like children.

This isn't to say that seeing the Duggars work on making pants into skirts is rubbing modesty in our faces- I don't mind seeing them sew and work on their wardrobes, if that's what they're doing that day. But if I hear one of them rationalize the no-pants rule with "we want to be feminine and ladylike" one more time, I might just put a skirt over my TV to force myself away from watching every week.

okiebabe said...

I live in Oklahoma City, Okla.
I tend to wake up around 5:ooam, tlc is showing old roloff eppys and at 6:00am is the old duggar eppys.
Today one of the two eppys was the dolly parton eppisode.

I noticed that
Michelle said something along the lines of,
" we only told our kids alittle bit of what she does," jimbob,said,"it was so nice to meet her, here she is one way on stage and everything else and here we meet her and she is just so nice"


I just thought, that is one of our big points on here at the blog. Those kids only got bits and pieces of Dollys life and who she is, told to them. I am sorry but dolly is a christian and a great person or am i missing something there.
I have to wonder if they think her chest and the way she dresses makes her not a good christian.
As a Christian myself I find the duggars need to look at themselves and stop picking and choosing what they want from the Bible.
they need to learn the Romans vers."We all fall short of the glory of God"
and if you ask for forgiveness you will be forgiven

I want the producers to start asking them WHY, why they only told bits of who dolly was to the kids, I want to know why, not given some excuse they always give.
i think i read somewhere about the green hair. I wonder if the duggars know that if you have green purple or have been in prison, or wear tank tops that if you do what is asked of Jesus or your religion that you will be in heaven too.
we never hear them commenting on that.

TTownsweetheart said...

I read and cannot find where it was, something about the money and how they are doing it. It was something along those lines.
I have family that lives in TT and my cousin works were the crew stays while in town.
The duggars do not make their money off the episodes. that is merely food, gas, and etc. they are in the store alot and easily spend 1000s of bucks in one round to the store.
now they money they buy the Cars, Buses, atvs, and that type of thing and anything else. is from the CELL TOWER.
that Cell Tower is bringing in loads and loads of money. I know this because my Uncle owns one 25 miles away from JB's. they have talked several times abour their towers. they both have the same cell services providers on their towers.
for example, US. Celluar, AT&T,sprint, tmobile, verizon, and all the little home town ones, such as celluar one.
because here in the TT area we still don't have many cell towers, because people are picky about putting the towers on their land. we still have alot of older folks that just don't want big companies having any part of their land period. so the towers that JB and my uncle own become very important and bring in alot of money.
while they prolly do get 10 or 15,000 per episode they get more with the tower.

Swissmiss said...

Michelle was seen writing in a journal some months ago about Josie. I'm guessing that will be the basis of her next book. They could also put in a lot about the other family members.

As far as the girls having to dress modestly because of men, why isn't the onus put on the MEN to behave themselves? I find this very irritating.

Anonymous said...

So the Duggars have a cell phone tower near their house and live across the street from the landfill. Sounds like an environmentally healthy place to grow up.

Anonymous said...

"I, for one, find the modesty talk refreshing, and I'm about as liberal-minded as they come. I don't necessarily agree that wearing pants defrauds men, but I do think it's nice to have someone talking about modesty in public (on TV)."

I agree! While the modesty talk does get old, I think maybe a lot of it is producer-influenced. Id much rather watch a show with women concerned with modesty rather than a barrage of cleavage I see of most TV.

I think the Duggars, like most people, have their hearts in the right place, they just get bogged down in minutia sometimes.

Cyn said...

Michelle said something along the lines of,
" we only told our kids alittle bit of what she does," jimbob,said,"it was so nice to meet her, here she is one way on stage and everything else and here we meet her and she is just so nice"

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Same episode they were all asked about Dolly:
Quote from Michelle "Was she on HeeHaw?"
Quote from G'ma Duggar "They don't listen to a lot of Country music"
another quote from Michelle "All the kids know about Dolly is from seeing her on the big screen at the Dixie Stampeede, and that she likes reading and gives books away to lots of kids"

At Dollywood (which they went to after the camera crew asked them about her) we saw them in the Dolly museum. The museum sitting above the cave mine tells them all about Dolly's roots, her "coat of many colors", and the abject poverty they grew up in. It has a glass enclosure which features a replica of the home Dolly grew up in with her 11 brothers and sisters. It also teaches you about her christian upbringing, and her early years in the music industry. (at least it did last time I went 4 years ago and for the 15 years I've been going to Dollywood)


Had they asked the adults (at least) after they spent the day in Dollywood they could have had better answers. I loved the fact that they got Dolly to sing Amazing Grace with them, and personally thought JimBob was pushing it with the "My sister is a singer too".

Anonymous said...

"I want the producers to start asking them WHY, why they only told bits of who dolly was to the kids, I want to know why, not given some excuse they always give."

I feel that the answer is they didn't tell people all about Dolly, because there are things about her life that they don't prefer to expose their children to. Which is totally understandable.

It's not that Dolly isn't as good a Christian as them, it's just that they have values that they want to teach their kids.

The values and things that parents want their children exposed to is different for every parent and every parent, even the Duggars have the right to teach their kids those values.

When the Duggar children grow up and move out like Josh has they will learn the things that they were not taught before and adopt different values.

I think the answer to your question is that they only tell bits and pieces because although some viewers may disagree with it, that's how they prefer to raise their kids and as Michelle has said, she's the mom.

Kaekae said...

This is what bugged me. Why on Earth were Anna, and Josh of all people, explaining what the girls believe? Ask the Girls!
Or maybe they did and it wasn't annoying enough so they got the "guarantee to annoy" pair to do it.
-I only wear skirts and their "explanation" annoyed the fire out of me, so I can't imagine how annoying it would be to other people.

Anonymous said...

"I want the producers to start asking them WHY, why they only told bits of who dolly was to the kids, I want to know why, not given some excuse they always give.
i think i read somewhere about the green hair. I wonder if the duggars know that if you have green purple or have been in prison, or wear tank tops that if you do what is asked of Jesus or your religion that you will be in heaven too."

I would like to know the reasons why the Duggars do a lot of the things they do too. Personally though, I don't think that they are obligated to tell us everything we want to know, any more than any other famous person or celebrity is obligated to tell us every why and wherefore about their lives either. Besides, the Duggars have already shared a plethora of personal information in the past, some of it TMI, and answered the question "why" regarding many issues. But the fact is, most of the time we don't like their answers. Their answers to questions just seem to generate more questions, and if they answered "why" to every question we have we probably wouldn't like those answers either.

I think just knowing the Duggars main motivations and philosophy on life and child-rearing answers most questions we have about them. For instance, Dolly - why did they tell their kids only a bit about her? I'd wager that it's because their family doesn't listen to mainstream music like Dolly makes, and she is known for dressing provocatively, and so it makes sense this family isn't going to spend a lot of time telling/showing the kids what she is about. But, I never got the impression that they were looking down on her when they visited with her. They had only good things to say about her, and seemed to enjoy her company. I've known plenty of people in my life who come across as judgmental, and the Duggars have never seemed that way to me.

Kitten said...

The values and things that parents want their children exposed to is different for every parent and every parent, even the Duggars have the right to teach their kids those values.

And apparently those "values" include that it's great to get freebies from someone even if you don't approve of the way they dress or what they do for a living enough that you won't tell your children the truth. Kah-ching!

Anonymous said...

"And apparently those "values" include that it's great to get freebies from someone even if you don't approve of the way they dress or what they do for a living enough that you won't tell your children the truth. Kah-ching! "

This comes up over and over again and I understand where everyone that says they have no values because they they are on tv yet they don't watch many shows or limit what their children watch and how they do things to get their name out there like spending time with Dolly when they don't entirely want their children knowing about her.

But you know what and they have 18 mouths to feed and Grandma Duggar to feed and house also along with themselves for a total of 21 people in that house.

Sometimes, people yes even Conservative Fundamentalist people like the Duggars have to do things to earn money that they may not be proud of. They may have to go to events that they may not entirely want to go to. However, doing something that you don't like to earn income and in the Duggars case, keep their name out there is not always, but quite often a fact of life and particularly a fact of the Duggars life. A person is extremely lucky if they can be choosy on what they do to get and keep the income they have coming in.

That's why I never fault them for being on tv when they barely watch tv or approve of some things in the world. To me, they are doing what they need to in order to feed their children and keep a roof over their head and the utilities paid along with the transportation needs that they have for that size of a family. Again, I respect your opinion. This just happens to be mine and no I don't think they walk on water or wear halos.

Anonymous said...

"apparently those "values" include that it's great to get freebies from someone even if you don't approve of the way they dress or what they do for a living enough that you won't tell your children the truth."

I think this is a no-win situation for the Duggars. Since they obviously differ from Dolly Parton in certain values, but socialized with her anyway, were in her parade at Dollywood, etc. they are being characterized as hypocritical or taking advantage of her to get a free trip. On the other hand, if they had turned down the opportunity because they don't approve of some things about her, they would be labeled judgmental and close-minded.

I don't think they can win this one if that's the logic we're using. Personally, I didn't think anything of the fact that they did the whole thing with Dolly. I thought it was good for the kids to meet someone outside of their usual circle of like-minded people. The kids actually have lots of opportunities to interact with people who aren't just like them. Everyone from the camera crew, to the people at the doctor's office and the grocery store, and other people in their community, and all their relatives for that matter. I'm sure the kids know by now that most people's lifestyles differ significantly from theirs.

Dolly and the Duggars said...

"I think this is a no-win situation for the Duggars. Since they obviously differ from Dolly Parton in certain values..."

Yes, they obviously differ from Dolly Parton in certain values because Dolly Parton is honest about herself, her upbringing, and her roots. Thus, I give Dolly kudos for interacting with the Duggars and exposing herself to THEIR "values" which are to market their children for profit.

Celestie said...

The kids actually have lots of opportunities to interact with people who aren't just like them. Everyone from the camera crew, to the people at the doctor's office and the grocery store, and other people in their community, and all their relatives for that matter.

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I think it depends on your concept of interaction. Are they in the same space?.... Yes. Are they freely exchanging ideas, in a normal conversational manner?...Who knows. Judging from what we see and only what we see, they pretty much move through life in a group. It is very difficult to have normal conversations if you are in a herd. Posters have stated that they have traveled to New York City, to Washington DC where they are fed information by Jim Bob. I don't see them out exploring by themselves or in groups of 2 or 3. They are pretty much kept in the herd.

Anonymous said...

"That's why I never fault them for being on tv when they barely watch tv or approve of some things in the world. To me, they are doing what they need to in order to feed their children and keep a roof over their head and the utilities paid along with the transportation needs that they have for that size of a family."

If they needed to be on TV to support their family logic dictates that they already had more children than they could afford. Neither parent is incapable of holding down a full time job, even if it is in addition to their real estate holdings and other purported investments. Any of the children over the age of 16 could be holding down full-time employment, especially when they allegedly graduate at that age and work wouldn't interfere with their studies. If the kids chose to work and remain living at home, they should be expected to make a financial contribution to the household. JimBob and Michelle chose to have a family this large, and they were already at 14 kids or so when approached by TLC to do a special. IF they were already supporting their family to standards they found acceptable, then they certainly didn't need the TLC money in order to sustain their family, and didn't need to compromise the principles they incessantly brag about just to make a living. It is obvious that they took the TLC gig to increase their income, and to allow their family to indulge in more worldly possessions, all while boasting how not "of this world" they are.

Anonymous said...

To me, they are doing what they need to in order to feed their children and keep a roof over their head and the utilities paid along with the transportation needs that they have for that size of a family.
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That is why most people only have as many children as they can support on their incomes. It is totally irresponsible of the Duggars to keep having more and more kids and then having to pimp them out to support them. I'm sure there are many families out there who would like to have a few more kids than they do, but in their logical minds, they know they are not going to get a TV show, nor would they want to expose their family to the world just to support them. Most of us never had the chance to take our kids on TLC sponsored trips. If we went anywhere at all,it was on our own hard-earned money that took years to save.

msrylee said...

If a couple 'needs' to sell their blessings out to TLC in order to put a roof over their heads and food on the table. then perhaps it follows that they can't properly care for their blessings.

It was mentioned about the transportation needs for the Duggar family. Their needs are vastly different from all the toys and vehicles they own. Those ATVs etc. are not needs IMHO, they are toys and wants.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, they obviously differ from Dolly Parton in certain values because Dolly Parton is honest about herself, her upbringing, and her roots. "

Are the Duggars dishonest about themselves, their upbringing, or their roots? I don't think they are. We are always getting an earful about why they do this or that, their motivations, etc. They pretty much practice what they preach as near as I can tell.

bonehead said...

Ok saw the preview of Mackenzie's 1st birthday and they were making another announcement and it sounded like Josh. So, it can be 1 of 3 types of announcement. 1. Anna is pregnant(which would not be surprising since they kind of hinted about that, last episode) 2. someone is engaged or 3. Michelle is pregnant(though from this last episode, she was saying that she was having a bad time after surgery. so I don't think it is her.

Anonymous said...

"I think this is a no-win situation for the Duggars. Since they obviously differ from Dolly Parton in certain values, but socialized with her anyway, were in her parade at Dollywood, etc. they are being characterized as hypocritical or taking advantage of her to get a free trip. On the other hand, if they had turned down the opportunity because they don't approve of some things about her, they would be labeled judgmental and close-minded."

I agree that this another no-win situation for the Duggars. There are a lot of those. I found that it was fine for them accept Dolly's invitation, even if they didn't tell their kids everything, like about the breast augmentation also. If I had kids, I wouldn't tell them that necessarily.

Do we know for a fact that they don't pay for anything including transportation when they take a trip somewhere? I'm genuinely curious on that? If anyone has any information and data for that, I would love to see it.

Anonymous said...

"If a couple 'needs' to sell their blessings out to TLC in order to put a roof over their heads and food on the table. then perhaps it follows that they can't properly care for their blessings."

That may very well be the case and what most of us suspect about them, that they could not support their kids without being on TLC.

However, in my opinion, the kids are already born. Even, if Michelle doesn't have another child. She still has 18 kids right now that will need to be taken care of. Unless, she puts them up for adoption or into an already crowded foster care system that tends to mess kids up, because foster parents rarely ever do that for any other reason than money.

The reason why I don't fault them, even though I know and understand that most of you have reasons for not liking them being on TV, because they're not accepting of things that they don't find acceptable. I respect the opinions and views and having a Social Work degree, I do understand that people think differently about things. I do believe that they are at least patient with people that are different from them.

Another thing that stops me from faulting them and expecting them to just make the decision to stop doing TLC is the thought of what are they supposed to do, just say no to TLC, go off air and then go on welfare or make their kids starve? I've did jobs as a Christian that I really didn't want to do and was reprimanded by Church members and called hypocritical by non-Christian friends but I didn't have a choice at the time. I even asked some of the people who were flat out criticizing me what I was supposed to do. Those people couldn't answer. So I do feel for the Duggars and these reason are why I don't criticize them for it, other than yes, they shouldn't have had so many kids unless they had gainful employment that could support them.

Anonymous said...

"It was mentioned about the transportation needs for the Duggar family. Their needs are vastly different from all the toys and vehicles they own. Those ATVs etc. are not needs IMHO, they are toys and wants."

I didn't mean the ATVs or non essential means of transportation. Though, I don't find anything wrong with them getting things that they give them some excitement. I don't feel like they should have to deprive themselves of things like ATVs.

What I meant by transportation needs in my post is this. They can't transport 20 people in a cheap little car or a minivan. They have to get a 15-20 passenger van and those vans do to tend to cost more money than a car or minivan, but to me it's a necessary expense. That may not be the view of another person or persons, but it happens to be mine.

Otherwise, how are they going to transport their family around, have a caravan with many minivans or cars? Wouldn't that cost about the same?

msrylee said...

I agree that the blessings are already born, and that is a fact. However, adding more blessings to the family might not be the wisest decision. I know they leave it up to God to give or not give more children.

Also, regarding transportation needs, I realize that they require a large bus to carry the entire family. I was trying to clarify the difference between needs and wants. I also believe that it is a legitimate need to be able to transport the entire family. I'm not sure which would cost more to operate, a bus or two smaller extended vans. Whether they should be deprived of ATVs, etc. is a personal opinion.

Anonymous said...

I hardly think the Duggars will starve anytime soon. As I mentioned on another thread, that chess set they bought costs at least $180.32 according to what I saw on the find.com.

(And yet their other children have to wear used shoes and sleep in pack 'n plays until they are 4 years old and beyond....)

Iliketheduggars said...

"Another thing that stops me from faulting them and expecting them to just make the decision to stop doing TLC is the thought of what are they supposed to do, just say no to TLC, go off air and then go on welfare or make their kids starve?"

1. They won't starve. Not even close. They were darned near close to living the lifestyle they do now before TLC ever came a-calling... Jim Bob was mostly at home, they were building the big house, etc. They have a house full of hardworking adults who don't believe in welfare, so they would find ways to work to support the family, and they wouldn't be living in poverty conditions, either.

Now it would probably be harder to fund the trips... the extra vehicles... the more stylish clothes... the other things we've seen the Duggars update. But that's way different than needing to compromise everything to put food on the table.

2. I was raised in a time without Reality TV, when few people just aspired to be famous without some accompanying talent, like acting or singing.

It REALLY disturbs me that people are beginning to accept the idea of making oneself famous, selling oneself as a brand, as a legitimate way to support oneself or one's family. This is waaaaay different from making compromises to bring in necessary income, such as working on Sunday or selling skimpy clothes to teen girls.

This is SELLING to the highest bidder a one's name, privacy, freedom, personality, individuality, and future... and selling same of CHILDREN, who don't have a voice in the decision... done solely because one is selfish (fame and all the perks that go with it), greedy (lots of money, much much more than needed to "support" oneself or one's family), lazy (all the rewards of hard work without a tenth of the effort usually required), or naive.

I always chose "naive" for the Duggars, and I'd to think it applies somewhat, but they've been doing the show long enough that they know how it works by now. Fame and easy money make it easy to ignore other evils, even for people with a big Bible on their dining room table. The fact that their show is now "encouraging" young people to see reality TV as a way to support themselves should be reason enough to quit. I don't see it happening.

I still like the Duggars. I have few problems with the choices they make daily for their family. It's hard to have a lot of respect for them, however, until they pull the plug on this thing. There is absolutely nothing noble or admirable about it.

Iliketheduggars said...

"can't transport 20 people in a cheap little car or a minivan. They have to get a 15-20 passenger van and those vans do to tend to cost more money than a car or minivan, but to me it's a necessary expense."

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Okay. But WHY do they have to be on a reality show to do that?

We are well-aware these days of the myriad negative effects of celebrity and stardom on child actors... hard to walk through Hollywood without tripping over a stone drunk bum who used to be a cute and sassy youngest child in an 80s family sitcom and had his own Teen Beat fan page... We know more often than not, these kids grow up to be adults with mild to serious psychological problems, at the very least.

Would the Duggar fan base approve of JimBob schlepping his kids to Hollywood and propping them up on a few Nickolodean(sp) shows? Would we be discussing how great it is that he can use these opportunities to support his family? Would we acknowledge the problems but excuse the behavior with the worn-out line, "they have to do this, they've got so many mouths to feed?"

Or would we grow a pair and say "Get your kids out of there. Television is no place to raise a family. Get a job and let those kids have a real childhood. Even if you have to drive a couple of beat-up minivans to get them to it."

(PS: For the newbies, I really DO like the Duggars. Annoyingly so, some would say. I just can't stand this line of thinking.)

mythoughtis said...

'Another thing that stops me from faulting them and expecting them to just make the decision to stop doing TLC is the thought of what are they supposed to do, just say no to TLC, go off air and then go on welfare or make their kids starve?'

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar have stated several times that they were financially debt free and stable PRIOR to the reality show. So finances are not the reason they do this show. If finances ARE the reason they are doing this show, then they need to admit it... so as to not to DEFRAUD young families into believing they can have 19 kids and be financially stable without a reality show. That might be important to young couples in deciding just how quiverful they really want to be.

Anonymous said...

I'm a little surprised by all the comments to the effect that the Duggars need the show to support their family. Researching into the Duggars history shows that this isn't the case at all. They have always had plenty of food, clothing, a decent house to live in (albeit crowded sometimes), toys for their children, health insurance, cars to drive, and all the other trappings of a middle-class family - all of it without welfare and debt stinkin' free (of which I'm envious), and all of it before TLC came along. They even owned a large motorhome (although it was old) and took a family trip to the east coast long before the first Duggar special was ever born.

I'm not particularly a Duggar fan or supporter, but I think it's definitely clear they don't need the TLC money to support their family. I DO think, however, that they enjoy the attention and fame that doing the show brings them. I think that is a primary motivation for them, even if they do partly feel they just want to share a message with the world or something.

Anonymous said...

"I'm not particularly a Duggar fan or supporter, but I think it's definitely clear they don't need the TLC money to support their family. I DO think, however, that they enjoy the attention and fame that doing the show brings them. I think that is a primary motivation for them, even if they do partly feel they just want to share a message with the world or something."

I was the person that said that and since I've gotten 4 comments about that I'll just address it.

The true reason that I said that I felt like they needed TLC to survive is because of all the lovely people on this forum and others that have said that they could not support their family without TLC. So it's only natural that I thought there was something to that. To some people, they really think that the Duggars were destitute before TLC.

So now I'm confused, which is it, they need TLC or they don't need TLC and they're just doing it for additional money and attention? I have read entire long posts on this board and others that give evidence that the Duggars wouldn't be financially self-sufficient without TLC. I don't get it. I really don't.

I really just don't get it, maybe someone could explain that to me?

Also, please don't think that they're defrauding anyone because I said so because I was dumb enough to believe other people's opinions that they were bad off, because I read it in other people's vehement opinions that they need the TLC to survive, because clearly I don't know and it was a false speculation on my part. I am truly sorry for being wrong, but seriously which is it?

tlcisiffy said...

hi

the chess set was bought by the discovery channel when they decorated the house the duggars did not pay for it
you can go back to the eppy where they furnished the house and see her pick it out

Kitten said...

They won't starve. Not even close. They were darned near close to living the lifestyle they do now before TLC ever came a-calling...

Half right. They won't starve. But they were nowhere near to living their current lifestyle.

Before TLC came along, they had been "building" that big house for what, three years, and all they had done was the basic framing (and not all of it, at that). They were cramming 16-17-18 people in a ~2300 sq ft house, with 6-8 kids in a bedroom. They were wearing thrift shop clothes almost exclusively, or sewing their own. They had an ancient motorhome that overheated and broke down and wasn't reliable, and the only places they went were ATI conferences and *maybe* a trip now and then to see Michelle's family.

They didn't need TLC's money and freebies to survive, but they sure as heck needed it to live at the level they're living now, with umpteen vehicles, cell phones for everyone, trips out the wazoo, a finished house completely furnished and decorated, expensive cameras and computers, ATVs for everyone, etc., etc.

Anonymous said...

I feel Kitten said it well -- before the Duggars got the show on TLC, they were certainly getting by. However, they weren't living the same level of lifestyle as they have now by any means. They "made do" and perhaps in another 3 or 4 years time, or more, they could have finished up their new home. It wouldn't be as fancy, nor as well furnished, nor have all the extra nice finishing touches. The furniture would most likely have been mis-matched, the counter tops formica, the flooring linoleum with basic carpeting elsewhere.

JimBob loves all the extra cash - you can see he spends rather lavishly for a supposed frugal individual.

I just don't get why he won't spring for beds for each child though. Surely if he can spend large sums of money for RV's, ATV's, and numerous cars, he could spring for a decent bed for each of his children. And maybe not make them all pile into one or two bedrooms. Frugal when it comes to decent sleeping arrangements, expansive when it comes to his toys. And hairspray budget.

Anonymous said...

"They didn't need TLC's money and freebies to survive, but they sure as heck needed it to live at the level they're living now, with umpteen vehicles, cell phones for everyone, trips out the wazoo, a finished house completely furnished and decorated, expensive cameras and computers, ATVs for everyone, etc., etc."

Oh okay, I remembered reading posts that were to that effect, that they weren't poor and at poverty level but they were middle class at the most. Thank you so much.

I wonder what it will be like if they do go off air and have to downgrade things back to the middle class income or rather what income do you think they were at before TLC?

Karen said...

only places they went were ATI conferences and *maybe* a trip now and then to see Michelle's family.

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Actually, the book talks about a trip they took around the US , well before the series came along.

msrylee said...

I agree that the Duggars won't starve anytime soon. The lifestyle they lived prior to TLC was different than it is now. All the ATV toys, cell phones for several of the blessings, beautiful home fully furnished, etc. are probably due in part to the pay cheque from TLC. The family has stayed in gorgeous accommodations while on the TLC tab. I'm not sure if it was in Pigeon Forge that they stayed in a beautiful chalet-type building. No, they won't starve, but it would probably be difficult to go back to having their previous lifestyle. JMHO.

Here We Go Again said...

People.com is reporting that:

Anna & Josh are pregnant with #2, due in June 2011.

Anna miscarried earlier this summer.

If Anna is due next June, that means she is approx. 2 months pregnant right now.

I'm surprised they would make this announcement so early in the pregnancy after just having a miscarriage.

Anonymous said...

"I really just don't get it, maybe someone could explain that to me?"

No, the Duggars don't need the show to live, and live well. It's true they have always been self-sufficient and weren't living in poverty, or anything close to it, before the show. But rather than just gathering info from people's comments, reading their book, which gives a very detailed look at their lives up til now, gives a more accurate picture, to the degree of accuracy their book has, that is.

It's hard to know how many of the luxuries the family currently has that are due solely to money coming in from the show. Yes they worked on the house for three years, but the lion's share of the work was completed (paid for, debt-free by the Duggars) before TLC ever showed up. The Duggars hired a contractor to help get it done towards the end, paid for themselves. According to their book, the only things TLC paid for are the interior furnishings and decor, the indoor slide, and the appliances (with the exception of the industrial kitchen, which the Duggars bought long before at an auction). This is quite a few freebies, but it's only a small fraction of the cost of the house. Also, the cell tower was placed on JimBob's property around the same time as the TLC gig started up, which is likely very lucrative, so it's impossible to tell what money's coming from where.

Knowing exactly how much of their current luxuries (cell phones, cars, trips) are due to TLC money is just speculation, but it's probably safe to say at least some of them come from their TLC earnings. But without their TLC earnings, they would still be living in a huge, nicely appointed home on 20 acres, and have some of the luxuries they currently enjoy. I agree with the poster who said that she thinks the Duggars aren't motivated by the money they get from the show but instead like the fame and attention more. That's what I think.

Anonymous said...

Anna is expecting!!! YAY!! Just watched the Today show clip of it! Anna looked GREAT in the interview... no wavy greasy hair - nice hair style, pretty scarf...she looks all grown up! Mackenzie is so cute!! I wish they'd have zoomed in on Josie, because she was sitting up and looking really much bigger than the TLC episodes that are airing (from the summer).

MO4 said...

Amy just confirmed on her facebook that Josh and Anna have a new baby on the way!!

Anonymous said...

To add to my previous post after reading the other article that actually discusses Anna's pregnancy she also reveals that she was indeed pregnant this summer but had a miscarriage. People Magazine has taken all the mystery out of Sunday's "special" episode.

Here's the link for Josh and Anna's article:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20441165,00.html

The other link in the previous post was the article about Josie.

MOM IN TEXAS

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I believe that the announcement will be the Duggar's second grandchild being it was announced on Today's show:

http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2010/11/11/duggar-family-pregnant-again-duggars-expecting-another-grandchild-video/

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The Duggars have always been very independant in providing for their family. Sure they had lean times in which they choose to live in a smaller home while they saved cash for the larger one. Yes, they did and still buy second hand, however they always have had plenty to eat and have vehicles that accomodated the entire family.

They have income from rental property as well as from rent of cell phone towers which I understand brings in quite a lot. They also have income from their books and speaking engagements. The TLC no doubt brings in extra so perhaps they can take or send more of their children on mission trips. They did mission trips and contributed to the community through various volunteering activites way before TLC. They took trips to DC and Texas way before TLC. I am confident if they ceased their contracts with TLC they will do just fine.

Fyrfightermomma said...

Well according to Amys FB, Josh and Anna are pregnant again and due early June.

Suzie said...

Well, it's official. Josh and Anna announced on the Today Show this morning that Anna's expecting #2. She also admitted to a miscarriage, so all the talk about them spacing kids? It was just talk. They might not have 19, but they're well on their way to around 10 (and will need more than that tiny 2 bedroom place in a few years).

Baby is due in June. Other than Anna, there are no June-born Duggars. They didn't elaborate about WHEN in June, but given that even after a miscarriage, they announced pretty early, I'll throw down in the baby pool for my birthday, the 19th, which will be Father's Day next year.

Congratulations. It's what Anna so obviously wanted (and her enthusiastic talking head about being ready for more makes more sense now, knowing about the miscarriage).

Anonymous said...

Today Show did a interview and Josh and Anna are expecting again... Biggest part of the story I found was that they had a miscarriage. I'm proud of them for not putting it on the show and the Today Show. Shows some semblence of understanding pregnancy and it's risk.

Anonymous said...

Josh and Anna are pregnant :)

Anonymous said...

She had a misscarrige but wasnt on the pill. I feel bad for her.

So, not all misscarriges are due to the pill.

Suzie said...

People online also broke 3 Duggar articles this morning. One confirmed the pregnancy and the miscarriage Anna suffered and also confirmed the "big news" for the Mackynzie (Johannah) birthday special is the annoucement to the family. It also claims that Michelle is a "great" grandmother, despite any evidence we've seen on the show of her even being in the same room with the baby.

After a miscarriage, everyone I know, including myself, has been wary of early announcements like that (do the math...girl was peeing on sticks again).

Anna expecting link:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20441165,00.html

Another article mentioned that Jessa and MICHELLE went skydiving for her 18th birthday last week. I'm sure there's a "divin" metaphor in there somewhere, but for a girl who vehemently refused bungee jumping last year, this is quite a turn-around (although People claims she wanted to jump when JimBob and Amy jumped a couple of years ago.

Jessa goes skydiving link:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20441166,00.html

And the "Josie update" link (complete with the fake pigtail headband):

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20441298,00.html

Sharla said...

I'm sorry to anyone whose announcement of the news did not get published, but by the time I slept in after being out last night, there were literally dozens of announcements. As I was looking at them, it was not feasible to send them all through. First preference was given to those in Free Discussion, with a name, among the first, or having a not previously given comment about it. Even with those criteria many still did not go through simply due to the number of them.

Judy said...

Anna is due June 19. I am wondering now -- back in June/July wasn't the whole family supposed to be on the Today Show? And then suddenly they weren't and no explanation was given? I wonder if that was when she miscarried...

Anonymous said...

Anna did look wonderful in the video clip, but I thought Josh looked terrible. He kept looking down and his attempts at speaking didn't go well, he even got cut off by Meredith there at the end, I believe. Anna seemed way more of the comfortable and articulate one, which is a change. I thought it was kind of silly to have the whole family there as well for Josh and Anna's announcement, since it primarily concerns only them.

hannah said...

I wonder if she`ll have twins, like her mother in law

Josh
loss
twins

Mack
loss
twins?

that would be cool.

Suzie said...

I think the two Today show cancellations/bumps were earlier than that. They were on in early summer around that time when Josie came home.

I'm pretty sure one of the bumps was due to the Bret Michaels story. The second one, around May sweeps? THAT one had no explanation and could certainly have been canceled at the last minute due to a miscarriage. But given they were on the schedule the day of airing (and didn't air) that miscarriage would have had to happen essentially the night before.

JMHO, but I had two miscarriages around 11-12 weeks and after the first one, told no one until I thought I was "safe" around 10-11 weeks (also due June 19, my birthday!). I still managed to miscarry the week before Christmas at 12 weeks.

I hope everything goes well for Anna, especially since we don't know how far along she was with the last pregnancy before she lost it, and is announcing this pregnancy at Mackynzie's party, which was a month ago (and doing the math she would have only JUST found out).

I'm still reeling that Jessa jumped out of a plane. My vertigo is acting up just thinking about it. :)

hannah said...

here is the link to the today show clip

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40113321

Bullhorn, Anyone? said...

I believe that the announcement will be the Duggar's second grandchild being it was announced on Today's show:

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Why do these pregnancies have to be announced on national television? They're not celebrities. They are not actors. They are simply the son and daughter-in-law of a reality television family. Nothing more. Imagine if every actress, every person of notoriety went on the Today show just to announce that she's in the family way. It would get pretty darn old in no time.

Why is this so special? Have your kids, one every two years if that's what you want, but why announce it to the world? If they're so modest in dress, in other ways of life, why are they so vocal in proclaiming an expected new arrival? Why not enjoy this news privately among family members? Did it ever occur to them that the public might not care?

Are they already booked on the Today show to announce the sex of the baby? Then another appearance to disclose the name of the baby?

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the national announcement of this is just a little bit off-the-wall creepy? It's like, "Hey, look at me, I'm fertile Myrtle!"

Anonymous said...

It makes sense that Josh and Anna would add to their family as soon as possible. They probably aren't as fertile as the senior Duggars, but if they get pregnant every year, they probably will come close.

Does Josie seem to still lack head control? She sure is cute, even in those dumb fake pigtails.

Cyn said...

They had the ATV's in the first specials; we saw when they went to the ATI summer camps, they are a little better now but that would make sense as time went on and they saved up and traded up for newer ones. (JimBob was looking for a newer bus so they could turn around and sell the one they have now for not that much less than they paid for it.)

I have no doubts at all that AT&T gave them all the iPhones because they are on TV (great publicity) but would have given them cell phones because of the tower (JimBob making that part of the deal).

We read earlier this month about the cell towers, being one of 2 or 3 in that large area would make the rentals from the various companies very lucrative.

Of that home (land and all) that cost over 400,000.00 to buy and build TLC donated (or had donated) 30K (the special when it first ran showed the list of thank yous and the amounts)... Why do people assume that it wouldn't look as nice as it does now if it weren't for TLC?

Yes their lives are better since TLC, they have used that money to buy better things, they have bought more property (they bought the house the church meets in; John David was talking about it when they went to fix the water pipe).

In my personal opinion a family that can save and wait to pay for that big dream house has not been squandering any extra income coming in; they have quite probably investing it, buying properties, savings accounts, Roths and the like.

Anonymous said...

What's this about Jessa jumping out of a plane?

Anonymous said...

..."Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the national announcement of this is just a little bit off-the-wall creepy? It's like, "Hey, look at me, I'm fertile Myrtle!"....

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I agree.

It's almost like the Duggars have nothing else going for them, so they have to go on tv and brag about having made a baby.

Yawn.

Anonymous said...

I read Ok article and says Josh wants 25. Its funny. I know thats not true.

I really ont like how Josh get trying to get a word in and when he saw Mack was crying he didnt offer to at least hold her. Its clear she wanted to run around not sit on her moms lap.

I feel bad about hr miscarrige. I am a bit shocked that she is about 2 months at most along and a they are tell pepople.

What if happens if god forbid it happens again?

Anonymous said...

The Duggar announced the pregnancy and every social news network as well as the main networks picked up the announcement. It sounds to me like a lot of people are interested as well as all of us commenting on here

MO4 said...

Do you remember when it was on a facebook page that was said to be Josh and Anna's that they were pregnant.Then later it said she went to the doctor and was not pregnant.I wonder if it actually was them

jonandkatewho? said...

WTH is that stupid thing on Josie's head in that picture? Why on earth would anybody put a band with fake pigtails on a baby's head?

Michelle is like a little girl playing with a baby doll. The woman is weird and babyish. Josie is real and is cute enough to not need a band with fake pigtails on her head, not that any baby NEEDS that. I repeat, wth? Can you say "annoying"?

I too find it a bit creepy that every pregnancy in the family is announced on tv. I really could care less. I hope to never hear another one involving Michelle, though.

Madigan said...

Where can I see the picture of Josie with the fake pigtails? I've heard about it several times and am curious to see it.

Donna said...

"The Duggar announced the pregnancy and every social news network as well as the main networks picked up the announcement. It sounds to me like a lot of people are interested as well as all of us commenting on here."

People are "interested" in whatever the news media presents. The media knows that people love tabloid-type "news". The Duggars are no Jonas Salks.

Anonymous said...

I think the skydiving must have been done for a ratings boost. And please don't tell me Michelle and Jessa wore their skirts for this stunt!

Lola said...

Madigan- Go to People Magazine website- write 'Josie Duggar' in the search option for that website then click on 'Josie at 11 months'. She looks really good- except for the fake pigtails!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if they get paid for the People stories?

Anonymous said...

People normally doesn't pay for stories, but they will pay a "licensing fee" for family photos.

Anonymous said...

Josh & Anna did an interview for ParentDish.

From the article:

(ParentDish): Now that you have been married for a few years, how do you keep things romantic?
Anna Duggar: Josh is amazing. He still opens the door for me.

First of all, they have NOT been married "for a few years". They've been married 2 years, 2 months.

Secondly, if the most romantic thing you can say about your husband after 2 years of marriage is that he holds the door for you, that's really pathetic. This is the same Josh who made Anna unload all the luggage at the airport when they flew to Florida to see Anna's parents.

Anna has really low standards.

roddma said...

"Yes their lives are better since TLC, they have used that money to buy better things, they have bought more property (they bought the house the church meets in; John David was talking about it when they went to fix the water pipe)."
Yes but it seems contradictory if they buy more things new than before after practicing 'Buy saved and Save the Difference' before TLC
The books states they got $200000 from TLC to build the kitchen because the crew wanted to start production. If the labor had to be paid for out of pocket and not free labor from the family it would cost half the amount of the house. Some professional help was used but I imagine Jim bob wheeled and dealed on that. Still it was

roddma said...

"The Duggars have always been very independant in providing for their family. Sure they had lean times in which they choose to live in a smaller home while they saved cash for the larger one. Yes, they did and still buy second hand, however they always have had plenty to eat and have vehicles that accomodated the entire family."
the size of family has nothing to do with the amount income. Jim Bob grew up with one sister and they struggled while Michelle never seemed to struggle financially though not rich. Not everyone has umpteen kids or can be self-employed like they are. I learned to be frugal even before marriage. Many struggle with fewer kids moneywise and it isn't because they spend carelessly.They saw fit to stop having kids. There are good debts and bad debts. There are those who have a little debt because they want better in life and not wait for things to drop out of the sky. as far as everyone making sacrifices it is the kids who make the most sacrifices. They aren't at fault for the number of siblings. The Duggars aren't necessarily better people for being debt free.

Lola said...

I realized why the Duggars have 2 kitchens. They implied it was for church services and large gatherings but I think it is so they can film the show with minimal amounts of kitchen work being done in the kitchen attached to the living area while the older girls are doing all the real work hidden away in the back kitchen.

roddma said...

"If finances ARE the reason they are doing this show, then they need to admit it so as to not to DEFRAUD young families into believing they can have 19 kids and be financially stable without a reality show. That might be important to young couples in deciding just how quiverful they really want to be."
It sends a false ideal you can have a brood and be both completely clear of debt and a self-employed mogul.

Anonymous said...

The actual amount contributed by TLC according to the Duggars book was $30,000, not 200,000! It was used to complete the house sooner and I suppose it may have been used for the kitchen. The Duggars purchased the industrial kitchen at an auction and probably the "pretty"
kitchen seemed non essential to their lifestyle.

Swissmiss said...

As to why the Duggars have two kitchens, one of them is used when they have large groups. They got the commercial-style kitchen when a store in their area closed their eating space.

Anonymous said...

Question: Is TLC and Discovery Health owneed by the same people?

Donna said...

"The actual amount contributed by TLC according to the Duggars book was $30,000, not 200,000! It was used to complete the house sooner and I suppose it may have been used for the kitchen."

The Duggars can say whatever they want in their book as to how much money they received from TLC to finish their house, however, $30,000 wouldn't crack a dent in finishing the house they're living in now. It was barely a frame of a house with some rudimentary sewage, plumbing, electric when TLC started filming them. $200,000, at least, is what was needed to finish that mammoth of a house. Let's not kid ourselves about that. That does not include the interior decorating, and household furnishings which are separate.

Cyn said...

The Duggars can say whatever they want in their book as to how much money they received from TLC to finish their house, however, $30,000 wouldn't crack a dent in finishing the house they're living in now. It was barely a frame of a house with some rudimentary sewage, plumbing, electric when TLC started filming them. $200,000, at least, is what was needed to finish that mammoth of a house. Let's not kid ourselves about that. That does not include the interior decorating, and household furnishings which are separate.
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The original airing of the show had the thank yous listed and the amounts; it came out to 30K.

Several blogs at the time and since have had people commenting on going down to help them with the last push, dry-walling, painting and all. (we've heard various comments on the show about staying up all night doing the painting and we've seen clips of the kids with the paint spraying gizmos)

People were also going through the roof then that the Duggars accepted that much money and were still claiming to be "debt free" had it been anywhere near the 200,000 you are claiming they would still be going off about it.

It's been all over this blog as well. Google it and you'll see what I mean.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

There is no reason for the Duggars to lie about the amount of money they recieved from TLC. I have no reason to believe that it cost TLC more that $30,000 to finsih the house. It was almost done as they hired some contractors at the end. They had a lot of the furnishings in storage as Mrs. Duggar has said that when they saved for their home they also bought a lot of the present day furnishings and stored them. So when they moved all of those furnishings they did not have to go out and buy them or have someone buy them for them. Michelle said that when she lived in the smaller house she was not into decorating that home that she was buying and storing over the years furnishings for their dream home. They know how to postpone gratification.

The $30,000 may not include the interior designer for the kids bedrooms as I believe that person volunteered her time. It most likely did not include the piano as that too was a gift I think from the designer herself. The Duggars have freely given their times and means to others so why not rejoice with them that there were blessed.

Also the Duggars did not have the house entirely completed when they moved in. They went one summer without AC till they could have afforded it, again postponing gratification and living within their means. Also they did not have their yard totally done and did that after they moved in.

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Anonymous said...

Question: Is TLC and Discovery Health owneed by the same people?
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Yes, see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Communications

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Another thing I noted about the Duggars is although they are frugile they appreciate decorating. When they gave a baby shower I noted that they went way out to decorate the home. Also when the family went to El Salvador on a trip and gave a Christmas party to the orphans the gifts they brought and the party they gave was very extra nice. I can see that this family has taste so I do not doubt that Mrs. Duggar was planning on a very nicely decorated home years before she moved into her dream home. She was saving up for the larger home and living very lean during the time in their smaller home before TLC.

Lindsay said...

A comment about the fake pigtails.
I have multiples, and 2 of them came home on oxygen, like Josie is still on at night. There is different types of apparatus that can be used with small children to make sure it doesn't slip off, and one of them is kind of a helmet, and right where they were covering up with the fake pigtails, along with the sides of the face is where the helmets gave my children red marks and very much irritated the skin. Maybe they were just trying to cover that up.

Swissmiss said...

As far as the Duggar home being nicely decorated, I saw a program several years ago where TLC (or the production company producing this series)brought in outside help to finally finish the house, which the Duggars had been working on for about 3 years. It was my understanding about $25,000 was used, and this included some furniture and the services of a professional decorator. I'm guessing they also got some in-kind donations for the advertising the donor companies would get.

Swissmiss said...

The People on-line edition says that Jessa wanted to sky dive for her 8th birthday. Some of the family did this about a year ago, but Jessa was too young at the time, and Michelle was pregnant.

They both jumped tandem - that means they are fastened to an experienced sky diver when they leap out of the plane.

Michelle jumped first, followed shortly by Jessa.

Anonymous said...

Was that a male experienced sky diver that Michelle was strapped to? If so, just how modest is that if even her kids are relegated to side hugs for modesty's sake?

Lola said...

I've noticed over the years how Michelle has talked about and encouraged friendships between siblings. I always found it odd how Joseph(15) is always paired off with John-David(20). But you never see Josiah(14) with them. Wouldn't Josiah and Joseph have more in common since they are so close in age?

Anonymous said...

Lindsay said:
...right where they were covering up with the fake pigtails, along with the sides of the face is where the helmets gave my children red marks and very much irritated the skin. Maybe they were just trying to cover that up.
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That's certainly possible, although I still think a pretty knitted or soft cotton cap would do the trick equally as well and not leave Josie looking abnormal. I would have preferred to see the red marks over those strange-looking pigtails.

Anonymous said...

re: Michelle Duggar = Decor Diva:

I have to disagree with the theory that the Duggars possess good taste, especially in decor.

If you'll recall the home they lived in prior to FINALLY finishing the Tinker Toy House (thanks to TLC), it was pretty close to poverty line, in condition of the (rented) home, its decor, as well as people per sq. ft ratio. I recall seeing baby pictures on a wall, surrounded by a cheap cloth ruffle - tacky to the max.

The Duggars MAY (who knows?) be relatively nice people, but good taste in design/decor? Not so much.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

It is interesting that a blogger speaks of the decor of the Duggars older, smaller house. Mrs. Duggar said in one of the earlier episodes that she was NOT invested in keeping that house in style with decor. She said she was making due and taking her time to buy and store items to decorate her dream home. They lived frugially in their orginal home for years while saving and storing the decor for the new home.

If you missed her sharing that you may be like some other viewers thinking that TLC furnished all of the new decor and decorated the home. The decorator who came at the end to decorate mainly did the children's room. She came ahead of time and asked them for their ideas much like they do on The Extreme Home improvement show. The decorator came and did the rooms with the ideas the children shared with her and I do believe she was the one who gave the piano. I have no doubt that the decorations for the main living room was that of Mrs. Duggar. She has good decor taste as well as her daughters, which you saw again in the party they threw for the two babies.

Anonymous said...

It is possible to have decor in good taste even on a budget.

The whole "living frugally so we could afford something better later" (delayed gratification) is just part of the Duggar brand.

A person does not need to be wealthy to know the basics about proportion, size, the how-to of combining eclectic styles for a unified look.

The Duggar brand shows absolutely ZERO sense of class, style, or decor.

And don't get me started on their idea of clothing class, which is also just part of the Duggar brand ('modesty').

The Duggars are a BRAND.

Kay said...

All these unsubstantiated claims! Mrs. Duggar is awesome at decorating! No, she sucks at it.

Cause we know everything about the Duggars, we can obviously make claims about their decorating skills.

Personally, their style isn't mine. I find their decor (every day and for parties/holidays) to be bland, boring, and uninspired, but that's just me.

I agree with the poster that says the Duggars are a brand. Their reality show is not a real glimpse into their life-- they don't live in a glass house. We get to see carefully selected and orchestrated scenes that get edited to death and tagged with old footage and voice-overs before airing. It's like watching the Kardashians, minus the sex appeal, fighting, and whining.

pottymouth princess said...

In re: fake pigtails...

The pigtails made their first appearance on the head of Jordyn when Michelle, Anna and the older girls went to the huge wholesale baby accessory sale. Josie has tape on her cheeks that holds the cannula in place when she's wearing it. The headbands and pigtails are totally for decorative purposes for the young girls in both generations of Duggar girls.

Anonymous said...

The headbands and pigtails are totally for decorative purposes for the young girls in both generations of Duggar girls.
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I agree the funky headband w/pigtails is purely for decorative purposes -- but the end result is so disturbing to me. The baby is as adorable as all babies are and she doesn't need decoration to "pretty" her up, IMO. Besides, what if she grasped them with her little hands and put that synthetic hair into her mouth? It can't be clean. Maybe that's where she picked up the germs that gave her the virus. But more likely simply from exposure to brothers and sisters and visitors, and the like. It made me laugh when Michelle was surprised to hear Josie had a virus.

roddma said...

"I have no doubt that the decorations for the main living room was that of Mrs. Duggar. She has good decor taste as well as her daughters, which you saw again in the party they threw for the two babies."
I cant see any episodes now but from what I read and gather, the main influence seemed to be Anna. You never saw a birthday like this before Anna. I hope other kids like Jordyn get a similar party. Her 1st birthday was not even mentioned. It seems that poor baby has been lost in the shuffle.

I could have sworn that was $200000 but maybe I misread

Anonymous said...

I saw that tacky doilied house they used to live in, with old recliners and used furniture. Suddenly, they are living in Pottery Barn and Ethan Allen? Nobody does that kind of turn around on their own.

In the old specials, they all wore matching prairie dresses, and clearly that was their choice, just as the doilies were. Now they have modern, name brand clothing and modern, name brand furniture.

None of that would have happened without TLC.

Jen said...

Have you noticed that the living room is decorated differently now then when it was first finished in the move in show?

Lola said...

Jen- how is the different? I never noticed!!

Jen said...

Jen- how is the different? I never noticed!!
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The furniture is arranged differently and their are a few different pieces including a flowered couch and not all pieces are matching like them seemed to be in the new house episode.

They also have more things/pictures on the walls.

Celestie said...

People decorate their homes they way they want them. I won't be critical of anyones taste. It looks like a home with lots of kids in it. The only remark I have concerns the baby clothing tacked up on the walls above the baby's bed. I truly do not understand why anyone would do that. Aren't little pictures of bunnies etc more interesting to the baby, than looking at her own clothing?

Vermonter said...

About the early pregnancy announcements. Perhaps the Duggars want to beat the paps and make their own announcements instead of strangers speculating. And maybe too they know some people will pray for them and send positive thoughts and wishes no matter what happens.

Regarding the "Duggar brand" or their style. Eh, to each their own! They are creative, ambitious, and practical. Wearing recycled shoes and hand me downs? Doesn't that keep stuff out of landfills? I find them to be a very green family in that they do not waste, which is very admirable. I love the Duggars, thank TLC for sharing them, and wish the younger generation success in their careers whatever they may be. I feel blessed to somewhat know them via television, and Michelle and Jim Bob have got to be some of the calmest people around, even though they are busy busy.

AS for the finances aspect, they seem to have a good grasp on budget and planning and again don't seem to splurge on lavish ANYthing. They earn their money legally, aren't sucking off the government, and haven't divorced or been involved in some other sordid scandal like happens with so many of these other reality TV people. I also agree to hear talk about modesty is refreshing, especially after watching some of those other reality shows from say .... Jersey... for example. And then too we see them volunteer with genuine enthusiasm for so many causes.

Still one of my favorite programs and favorite people.

Note to mods: Good job!

Anonymous said...

Or, maybe the early pregnancy announcements are engineered to keep ratings up.

Ambitious? Creative? I see no evidence of either in the Duggars. Practical, maybe, except for all of The Patriarch's vehicular toys.

The Duggars 'green'? Not by my measure. 19 kids. Utilities required for 21 people. Gas guzzling vehicles. An odd math that makes this equation qualify as 'green' living.

No extra credit given for being able to manage a budget that includes hefty TLC subsidies. Most would be able to manage on that income level. Especially if they did not make college graduation a priority for their kids.

Making a legal living. Not being dependent upon the govt - big deal. Again, no bonus points, as this is a fair EXPECTATION for most Americans. Not worthy of special note - it's simply the right thing to do, and most of us just do it.

Modesty? While I agree that most of the 'reality' shows spotlight a seedy and tacky side of life, including trampy clothing, but the Duggars go to the opposite extreme and make such a big deal about it. Duggar attire is not at all necessary to be truly modest. Constantly calling attention to one's supposedly superior ethical stds is anything BUT modest/humble.

I agree that the Duggars are a brand. Just another silly, simplistic reality-genre creation.

Anonymous said...

Duggars are "Green". There have been enough disposal diapers to fill a couple of landfills.

There is no consideration for the other inhabitants of this earth when one family procreates up to 19 times and will keep doing it until they can't.

Madi said...

I know Michelle and Jim Bob got married when she was only 17 but does anyone know if she had already graduated from high school or was she still a student?

Not very Green! said...

Giant ATVs, huge gas guzzling buses and cars, disposable plates and flatware at every meal, and disposable diapers for 19 children...how is this GREEN???

They don't even grow a garden! They don't drive small cars when there are just a few people going somewhere---they always take a Suburban or another vehicle that gets like 6 mpg.

I don't even think that they buy used much anymore. We have seen new Iphones, chess sets, layette, name brand clothes, furniture, etc. The main things we have seen bought used are SHOES and BEDS, which happen to be the two grossest things to buy used. At least get those kids proper mattresses and decent shoes! But no, paper plates seem to be more important!

Anonymous said...

I agree that the way the Duggars dress isn't necessary to dress modestly, but to be fair, I think it should be pointed out that as a general rule, the Duggars don't "constantly call attention" to their style of dress . What I see them doing is answering the interview questions in their sound bites, which naturally are often about topics like how they dress and why they do things, since this is one of the reasons they have a TV show. People are interested in all the things that make them different from most of mainstream America. The exception to this is Josh. He has a tendency to be braggy about pretty much everything, which is his natural personality. But JimBob and Michelle, and the older children, do not seem to me to call attention to the way they dress or anything else.

Anonymous said...

know Michelle and Jim Bob got married when she was only 17 but does anyone know if she had already graduated from high school or was she still a student?
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The book said she had graduated before the wedding.

Anonymous said...

"I've noticed over the years how Michelle has talked about and encouraged friendships between siblings. I always found it odd how Joseph(15) is always paired off with John-David(20). But you never see Josiah(14) with them. Wouldn't Josiah and Joseph have more in common since they are so close in age?"

That is an interesting thought. Josiah seems so much younger than Joseph.. and I'm not talking about height. He acts so much younger than Joseph. It seems to me that the Duggar boys are either really outspoken or really, really quiet. There seems to be no in-between.

heelgrrl@gmail.com said...

They got married the summer after Michelle's graduation. Her birthday is in September, so she was a month or so shy of her 18th b-day.

hannah said...

I bet we will have Duggars: Go Green show soon. :P

hannah said...

Jill seems to enjoy taking care of the kids the most/talking about the family etc.

Jessa amd Jinger seem annoyed buy it.

Jana rather do other things.

heelgrrl@gmail.com said...

To SuzanneD (or anyone else with proof):

I didn't catch it, but did the parts of the swimming episode where Josiah got thrown around in the pool by the (much taller) Fedosky daughter REALLY get edited out of airings after the original night? I watched both the east and west coast feeds (I live on the west coast and TLC's HD feed is east coast) and that scene was shown both times.

I haven't seen subsequent airings (on DH?, so I'm really curious if that WAS edited out once the Duggars saw it at Deanna's place (which I understand - from Jim Bob himself) is SOP these days. Did anyone else notice this? If so, that's just WRONG, but not really unexpected since it sends the wrong message to the people to whom they are held up as paragons of virtue.

Anonymous said...

what is sop?

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it make for great "reality tv", if the next time Josh/Anna/MacKynzie fly to Florida, one or all of them get selected for the aggressive pat-down by the TSA at the airport?

Now THAT'S reality tv I'd love to see !

bonehead said...

The Duggars are no where near Green. They use disposable diapers, paper plates and disposable silverware, and cups. I've not seen them sort their garbage. And that recent episode, where the kids were tryin to get the cricket out, geez , they don't clean , under those cabinets, very well. How come they don't use hard plastic un-breakable plates and cups and wash them, like everybody else does, when they have kids. They do have enough, dish washers. I can see using paper dishes for hugh gatherings, but for family? I also can see using disposable diapers.(who wants to wash icky diapers). They have not talked of recycling, yet.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else noticed how Joy Anna has been wearing the same pink polo shirt and jean skirt over and over again for the last few episodes and interviews? I guess a new bus comes before clothes.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but most of the kids look like they always have dark circles under their eyes. Either they all have (undiagnosed) allergies, or they are not sleeping enough. Judging by all the yawns we've seen recently, I'm inclined to think the latter.

msrylee said...

I also have noticed all the yawning and dark circles under a lot of Duggars' eyes. While they could suffer from allergies, they just seem to be very tired and somewhat lethargic. It must be difficult to sleep while riding in their bus, and keeping all the younger ones up until a delayed departure near midnight probably doesn't help their tiredness.

I realize this doesn't happen every night, but during the last year's episodes, this family was on the road for several weeks. Whether they slept on their bus during that time, I am unsure, but I don't think they were staying in hotels on TLC's dime every night.

carrie said...

So, either Michelle and JB do not allow the girls to be independent, OR the girls don't WANT to be independent. Either way, that is not good.

I am in my early 20's, so I "relate" to Jana. But I am getting tired of the fact that she's not doing anything with her life. I mean, come on, Jana! What in the world are you waiting for? You are in your early 20's! This is the time to seize upon career opportunities. Get a job, get a higher education, learn a trade, get certified for something. Just get out there and do something! Your parents can not stop you... whether they "approve" or not.

John David gets to do his own thing, so Jana should get to also. Jana did not help conceive her mother's children, so she is not obligated to care for them. Michelle can sort that mess out.

There's NOTHING wrong with wanting to be a housewife/mom, but you need to be prepared for life. Having a bread winner husband is never a guarantee in life. You need skills to be an independent adult.. with or without a husband.

I really do love the Duggars, but this frustrates me! I am just a little older than Jana.. yet I have been living on my own for 5 years, graduated college, and gotten a job.

My point is.. get out there and be an adult. Pay your own bills! Stop waiting for a future husband to define your adulthood. Your parents are not doing you ANY favors by letting you stay at home.

heaven said...

so, they will be doing a speaking engagment next year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw1vyltX-GQ

Anonymous said...

It was nice to hear from poster Carrie because she is a young woman very close to Jana's age, and one who sounds like she also looks forward to marriage and parenthood, but is also realistic and eager to be part of the real world - i.e., getting an education, getting a job, getting her own place, and not merely staying in a rut, waiting for "prince Charming," an ideal I thought we had all grown out of.

To see these young women sort of drifting along, with nothing on their horizon but continued child-rearing activities, and I guess house cleaning to boot, is rather dreary.

It will be interesting to see what second generation Gothardites look like, and how many stay in that system. It's a relief to see that several of Anna's siblings have moved away from Gothard and into more mainstream sorts of lifestyle choices. I think at least some of the Duggar children (more likely the younger ones) will do the same, and grow resentful of the roles imposed on them by the very narrow Gothardite views. I do feel badly for the older children, especially the girls, because they've gotten a very lackluster sort of existence.

Anonymous said...

heaven said:
so, they will be doing a speaking engagment next year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw1vyltX-GQ
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I watched the link. At the end it states the "Duggar's" in the possessive form instead of "Duggars" in the correct plural form, will be at the conference. I know that is something petty but I think it speaks to the lack of focus on education for these like minded groups.

Willow #1 said...

sop means "standard operating procedure" - in other words, "the norm".

Anonymous said...

This weeks episode is the season finale for this season; has anyone heard anything about next season yet? I believe it would be season 7.

roddma said...

About Jim Bob's response to the Andy Griffith Show: "that even some of the good shows like Andy Griffith and the old westerns have a secular view; there is always conflict in the shows, but instead of bringing God into the solution to solve the problem they try to solve them all 'humanly', and leave God out of it." It shows their narrow view of the entertainment world. Not everyone is religious. Just because something doesn't show everyone praying or in church isn't meaning there is nothing to be learned. Nothing personal against them but why not entertainment for entertainment sake? Everyone needs a break from everyday living.

Celestie said...

God into the solution to solve the problem they try to solve them all 'humanly', and leave God out of it." It shows their narrow view of the entertainment world. Not everyone is religious. Just because something doesn't show everyone praying or in church isn't meaning there is nothing to be learned.
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And by golly, it shows that humans can solve problems with the minds they were born, and the education they pursued.

Cyn said...

And by golly, it shows that humans can solve problems with the minds they were born, and the education they pursued.
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Which is a loose definition of what the word secular means. Another definition would be 'anything not pertaining to God or religion'.

Jimbob was asked about protecting his children from the 'secular media' and 'cultural onslaught', in a 5 minute conversation he mentions the shows they let the children watch, and then what they discuss afterward. He wasn't condemning the shows, or the entertainment value; he simply used them as an example of what they were talking about.

Secular view vs God's view.

Anonymous said...

This is not true at all about the Andy Griffith show.They constantly sang in the choir (recall the episodes where Barney can't sing,so Andy adjusts the mike so he won't ruin the songs) and went to church.

Anonymous said...

Re: The Duggars are no where near Green. They use disposable diapers, paper plates and disposable silverware, and cups. I've not seen them sort their garbage. And that recent episode, where the kids were tryin to get the cricket out, geez , they don't clean , under those cabinets, very well. How come they don't use hard plastic un-breakable plates and cups and wash them, like everybody else does, when they have kids. They do have enough, dish washers. I can see using paper dishes for hugh gatherings, but for family? I also can see using disposable diapers.(who wants to wash icky diapers). They have not talked of recycling, yet.

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I've never seen a recycling bin nor a trip to the local recycling center,either.
Of course tlc can now kick and and show 1 episode of that,but of course that doesn't mean they actually do it.

Anonymous said...

Re: I too find it a bit creepy that every pregnancy in the family is announced on tv.
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not only that,but it appears they were set to annouce Anna's pregnancy (the one that she miscarried) on the Today show appearance that was cancelled,and according to Anna,she miscarried only 2 days after finding out.So the Duggars did not plan to waste even one single minute in getting the news out there.

Anonymous said...

oh,

lol the duggars ratings are almost beating out CONANS!!! how funny is that

researchalittle said...

for those commenting on the gas guzzling suvs the duggars drive.

ACTUALLY the Suburbans, 3rd seat Yukon and Tahoe. they drive are NOT gas guzzling like you think.


and guess what.. if you are driving any of the following little suvs, you are driving some of the worst gas guzzling suvs.
lexus,
range rover,
Mercedes
Nissan Armada
Infiniti QX56
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Ford Expedition

Jen said...

Where was the Andy Griffith Show comment made? Is it available to listen to? Do they let their children watch the show or is it banned?

I would love to hear the whole comment in its complete context.

Anonymous said...

The Tahoe and Suburban boast 11 mpg around town (which is probably high-it seems like 7-9 is best they can do for city driving).

A lot of those other mega SUVs are horrible too, but you can buy an SUV that gets 16-20 mpg. All depends on what is important to you.

And that bus gets like 2 mpg, and that's generous.

Donna said...

Gas guzzling SUV's? I really don't care what kind of SUV the Duggars drive. The main point to remember is that most large families (much less Duggar-size mega families) are driving around 12 and 15 passenger used vans, not super-expensive Cadillac Escalades and the like. That's because they don't all have TLC gravy accounts to fund this sort of thing. The Duggars make me sick with their fakeness and fake lifestyle they present to naive, wide-eyed wannabe's.

Anonymous said...

I dont normally post, but thought I'd chime in on the gas-guzzler topic. I have a 98 explorer, which gets 14 city and 18 highway (at best). Even with coasting and full tires, I never see MPG over 20. With the Duggar vehicles, I'd guess their mileage to range from 9-15 (especially fully-loaded).

Compared to my husbands 92 civic, these cars are gas guzzlers. He gets 30 city and 36+ highway. I believe your average car (Accord/Maxima/Camry size) gets between 20-30 city/hwy. So, yes, my car and the Duggars are gas-guzzlers. You could argue all day long about whether they need those cars, but there's no arguing the gas efficiency.

Anonymous said...

Most large SUVs do indeed get very poor gas mileage. Most vans do a bit better. I grew up in a large family and we had a van for when we were all driving together, but my dad was very economical as well, and we had a very fuel efficient Datsun station wagon, and five could fit comfortably in it. I always wonder why the Duggars don't have at least one fuel efficient car, for when two to five of them go somewhere. We know they can afford it.

Heck, a Ford Escape gets pretty decent mileage - at least the newer ones, or the hybrids. A Ford Focus gets great mileage - if they want to stick with American. Surely Josh could look around for a used Toyota Prius for his folks if they wished for one.

The Duggars make choices, just like we all make choices. But since they are a tv family, their choices fall under scrutiny and I for one find them falling short when it comes to "stewardship of the Earth".

Anonymous said...

hi guys

i told yall a while back about my brother being the mgr. of the place the Production crew stays at while filming.

he is now friends with the guys.

i saw someone was wondering about how they do the interview portion of the show. and that it sometimes doesnt match up.

So i ask my lil bro to ask how its done...and finally emailed me back

... often when you see the kids "younger ones alot" looking at something.. its the tvs, showing themselves..

what they do is, they will play like for example, Jerm picking out his chess set at the mall and then him talking about it.

they have monitors "tvs" facing the duggars, the crew will play back a scene to them. Then ask them a question about it.

and they just do that over and over. play a scene.. ask question..

Anonymous said...

i forgot to tell yall this.. all the kitchen stuff that the duggars have.. in the big kitchen.. it was bought from KMART.. when it went under.. they bought it at the kmart in rogers, ark. it was the "food court" stuff..

i have been meaning to tell yall that for a long time and keep forgetting..

Anonymous said...

The Duggars talked about their Kmart kitchen in their book. It was also talked about n the episodes/specials surrounding the building of their house.

Anonymous said...

I noticed that in the youtube video announcing their appearance at next year's conference Michelle was wearing a nice outfit with a pretty necklace.

Anonymous said...

"I'm sorry but most of the kids look like they always have dark circles under their eyes. Either they all have (undiagnosed) allergies, or they are not sleeping enough. Judging by all the yawns we've seen recently, I'm inclined to think the latter."

This is definitely possible, but it's also possible that the dark circles under their eyes are genetic. I have dark circles under my eyes all the time, regardless of how much sleep I get. My mom and sister are the same way. Sometimes it's more noticeable than others (whether or not I'm wearing make-up, how tan I am at the moment, the lighting), but I always have them, just like some people always have pink cheeks. Not saying you're wrong, just a thought!