Free Discussion December 2011

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

44 comments:

ennvee said...

Duggars (and Amy, bleech) filming more filler in Nashville on Friday.

http://www.b105.com/music/news/4456

I wish I would have known of the interview earlier; can't imagine the yarn Amy can spin about the "unscrupulous" people she previously dealt with in the music biz.

I also wonder if Amy has told the Duggars about the guy who is famously known for that song. Escandele! :D

Seriously? said...

Anyone else wonder WHY Michelle Duggar ekes out more (on stage) tears for birth control taken 20+ yrs ago and Arkansas alcohol sales than for her son, when seriously injured in a fall?

Methinks Michelle Duggar belonged in her high school drama class.

Emerald P. said...

Call me crazy, but I just had a little thought. PERHAPS the Duggar girls do less work than we think they do. Maybe the girls doing chores is emphasized on TV because they want us to think they do more than they actually do. Because they are in Arkansas, a conservative state, they are more old-fashioned, traditional, so they may still have the mindset of "Good young ladies will do house work, and we must make sure everyone sees them do that so they think we have raised to children!" So it MAY be possible some of the chores are staged. If so many parts of their show are staged, why not this? Just another crazy, but possible, thought.

Hmm said...

But if the girls don't do the chores then who does?

londonbridges said...

You could be right on the money, Emerald P. If the sister/mommies don't do all the housework, who does it? I think Michelle and JimBob are much too busy with their PDAs, encouraging and ministering to the ungodly. Ms. Duggar Senior appears to do mountains of laundry already. Just curious. Who does that leave to cope with all the chores that need to be done in that huge house?

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Well, there is cleaning and then there's *cleaning*. We've seen how filthy the kids feet are from walking on the floors (plus a glimpse of the dust bunnies and other assorted filth under the soda machines), so I'm sure whoever is "cleaning" is not going at it like a white glove inspection is at hand.

In fact, I would imagine the reason why so many of those kids seem to have the dark circle allergy looking eyes is that there is so much dust, dirt and microscopic insects (dust mites, etc.) swirling around that house.

Alberta Rose said...

I agree. I think some of the so called cleaning is done for effect. Correct me if I'm wrong but it does seem the general attitude is if you're old enough to take it out, you're old enough to put it back. They also all seem to be responsible for making their own beds once they turn 5, with a little bit of help from older siblings. Even if there are 5 bathrooms, it would still only take about 15 minutes to clean each up. That's 1 hour, 15 minutes if one person does all of them. Since everything is divided up into jurisdictions, it's been shown that some are non-gender specific, factor out the three youngest and two oldest (I'm starting to think Jana has a part-time job that doesn't welcome publicity so it doesn't get talked about)that still leaves 14 kids who do the housework for that place. I think there is some real great spin doctoring happening for effect and the reality is quite different.

londonbridges said...

Elverna Bradshaw made a great point about the degree of cleanliness in this house. From what we've seen, there is good reason to understand the 'allergy' eyes in several of the blessings. If the show goes on, I suspect we will see a showing of super cleaning in the Duggar homestead. Again, just my opinions.

hart&sole said...

While the rest of the Duggar family was in Nashville, Anna, Josh, Kynzie and Michael were at Galveston Beach for the Keller's reunion. There are pictures, in fact awesome pictures, on Susanna Keller's facebook page. Enjoy!

Elvira said...

Those pictures are great. It's wonderful to see so many of the family together and looking happy and enjoying being together. I hope the rest of the family is able to join them in their happiness soon.

mom in texas said...

Great pictures from the family reunion. Glad to see it all worked out for the Keller family. It's good to see that Josh and family made it too. I live in the area and would have loved to see them.

Allie said...

I dont personally care that the girls do housework. I was always expected to help cook, clean, and do "feminine chores" while my brother wasn't really expected to lift a finger. What I do not like is the seeming lack of household cleaning that Michelle is required to do. Sorry. You can disagree, but I've seen this show for years and I continue to get the impression, over and over again, that Michelle is slowly becoming less and less involved in housework and raising children than she used to be. I admired the heck out of her in the 14,16,17 kids and counting episodes. I do not admire her at all anymore. I think she's a big, attention loving hypocrite who holds 2 sets of standards: one set for herself (the blessed baby vessel) and one set for the rest of her family. A child is always a blessing in my opinion, but they are also a responsibility. And as this show has gone on, I have witnessed Michelle take less and less responsibility for those blessings. Now, if that is the fault of the editor, then SHAME on Jim bob and Michelle for allowing a television show to misrepresent their lives, values, and faith.

roddma said...

"Call me crazy, but I just had a little thought. PERHAPS the Duggar girls do less work than we think they do. Maybe the girls doing chores is emphasized on TV because they want us to think they do more than they actually do."
I highly doubt they do less but I guess supporters really haven't thought of that. Given this thought, it makes me wonder how many charitable functions they attend for PR.

ennvee said...

I think Jim Bob has found Josiah, the non-mechanical, non-used car salesman, his "job" to bring in the bacon: he's now the official family shiller for the teen market.

Here's his latest endeavor, a Christian, missionary version of Farmville:

http://crushable.com/entertainment/josiah-duggar-wants-you-to-play-a-farmville-like-christian-missionary-rpg-305/

If there's an i-phone app, this may explain what those kids do with those thing, other than "group text" as Amy calls it.

Coming on the heels of Josiah running off camera during Michelle's "announcement" of J20 (I'm sure the older girls and Jim Bob knew), this and a fall indoctrination camp (they usually hold one for young men in late October/early Nov., but the 2011 dates are gone now) could be seen as a form of punishment for his un-JOYful reaction.

Glad Josh "let" Anna socialize with the members of her family who are no longer associated with Gothard. Now that Priscilla is engaged to Gothard "royalty," it's a no-brainer that she didn't show. Her engagement is apparently important enough that it merits her parent front-page status on Gothard's IBLP.org website.

Elvira said...

I see Gil and Kelly Bates on the main page, but I didn't see Kellers. Perhaps I've forgotten exactly what they look like?

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Re: Josiah's Christian Farmville shilling....didn't JimBob say they weren't trained up as farmers? Why would they play a video game as one then? And when would they have time in their oh-so-busy schedules for "hobbies"? (I thought hobbies were forbidden.) hmmm

Maybe Josiah can become the fundie version of Justin Bieber.

sandi said...

I don't see the Pricilla announcement on the site.Could you post a link? thx.

Nikki said...

They aren't allowed to have hobbies? Really?

Elverna Bradshaw said...

"They aren't allowed to have hobbies?"

One of the requirements for a proper spouse is that the person not have any hobbies. (There is a list either on this site or another with about 10 or 12 requirements for a potential spouse.) I assume that's because it would take time away from the family.

sandi said...

isn't reading,taking trips,etc,most of the things they like to do...considered a hobby?

Alberta Rose said...

sandi: isn't reading,taking trips,etc,most of the things they like to do...considered a hobby?

No, those are entertainment, education and/or socializing. Besides, if reading was just a hobby, the Internet would become nothing more than a source of entertainment, not a research and education device.

sandi said...

alberta,I mean the books the girls like to read.They say they like the 'Little House' series,as well as I think the Bates like old westerns and such.Those sound like hobbies to me.

SmokeyKitty said...

The Makaziville game that Josiah Duggar is promoting has been classified as being racist. No surprise there. It also sounds religiously intolerant and xenophobic.

Willow said...

Smokey Kitty, et al - Could one of you tell me where I can read about all this info about Josiah Duggar that I have missed? I try to keep up but don't know where I can find out about all of that (the part about him promoting/advertising etc.). Also, I read Kelly's website frequently but I did not see anything about the Keller family there. Can you FYI me about that also? Thanks much.

De Ja Vu Down Under said...

I recently watched a documentary on a family in Australia that have eleven kids under 8, all through medical intervention. There were a couple of points that struck me as relevant to the Duggars.

The first was the mother admitting that she needed another baby, not wanted or would like, needed.

The second was that the medical profession refused to assist this family after the 9th child due to the risks, but there was nothing stopping them trying themselves. In medicine it would be negligence, but they called it building a family.

The final one, was that the eldest child was responsible (at 8) for watching the younger ones.

Whilst this was definitely de ja vu, the next comment I would love to hear Michelle utter:
the mother had great concern for what burden this could be for the child.

The parallels were uncanny, and yet they were very different. It's amazing how a small number of comments can change your opinion

hannah said...

From People. Com

Though the family is in mourning, Jim Bob says they are grateful for the health of youngest daughter, Josie, who turned 2 on Dec. 10. Josie survived against all odds after being born at just 25 weeks and 1 lb., 6 oz. and has developed normally with no lasting impairments.

Nana Sew Dear said...

After a 50 year faith journey, I decided that I am no longer a believer. Still, when I was, I had a problem with people (like the Duggars) trying to find the signs of God every where and then bending them to suit their situation.
When I was younger I read The Hiding Place by Corrie Ten Boom. It was a terrific book. In one part Corrie asks her father why bad things happen. He likens God's plan to luggage that is too heavy to carry. Maybe they will understand when they are older or even when they have passed from this life.
The Duggars simply try too hard. The need to explain every single decision and happening in their lives. Bet they wish they could go back and be anonymous.

londonbridges said...

I'm not so certain that the Duggars wish they could be anonymous. It seems to me that they take full advantage of every opportunity to be in the public's eye. They have also earned a great deal of money for giving up their privacy and the blessings' privacy. JimBob and Michelle had the choice to sign on the dotted line, but the blessings did not have the choice. JMHO.

hart&sole said...

Wouldn't you think the children of legal adult age would have to sign a contract, as well?

For all the talk about the dirty feet at the Duggar house, I don't see how they could keep the floors clean with 18 kids still at home. At least they had enough sense not to carpet downstairs. The Duggars would have to buy a fleet of those little self propeled vacuums that also mop to keep the house up, either that or have someone continually on mopping duty.

What I can't understand is why they let the smaller kids yell and jump all over the furniture. Didn't they ever hear of 'inside voices' and 'inside playing?'OK, I agree that was a stupid question.

Lindy said...

I mean that I read the article posted in the link by Ally in the thread regarding Michelle losing #20.

Lindy (edited) said...

I read the article in the link that Ally posted about Michelle resting and JimBob running the household. After my miscarriage (had one at 19 weeks also), I recuperated a whopping one day, because I had to take care of my daughter and our business, since my husband had to go to out of town that week. I rolled my eyes when JimBob stated that he needed "a few days" to recover once Michelle got out of bed. Oh puh-lease. Michelle is strong enough to keep sending out press releases, but can't resume her "normal" duties? Something is definitely amiss in that house. I know my family is no way near as big as the Duggars, but given that the older girls DO indeed act like sister moms to the younger children, that they cook, and all the children have jurisdictions, what in the world does JimBob have to do besides what he usually does? I also would like to point out that they do not reject science entirely, as someone briefly mentioned in a previous comment. They don't reject science when it suits their needs. For example, when Josie was in the NICU, they depended heavily on highly trained medical doctors to keep her alive. When the older Duggars needed their wisdom teeth pulled, they relied on dentists. Michelle has had multiple c-sections and her gall bladder removed, which involves highly skilled doctors, nurses, and anesthesiologists. They drive cars, which I'm sure mechanical engineers helped design, and they fly in planes, which aerospace engineers design. So, I surmise that they don't see how dependent they really are on science. Should they decide to reject science completely, they need to stay away from pen and paper, the Internet, computers, hospitals, clothes made in factories, cars, planes, the "Today show", and medicine, just to start. Since MIchelle thinks negatively of mothers who work, per her Jubilee letter, does she forget that she worked in real estate as late as her 14 kids and counting specials? IMO, she has forgotten that she was a working mother when she had 14 kids and no TLC money.

hart&sole said...

Obviously Michelle doesn't worry her pretty little head about unimportant matters...like what she said last time, for example.

It's doubtful that the Duggars wish they could go back to that tiny house and bloomers, but I'd be willing to bet that TLC wishes they had vetted them thoroughly prior to filming. Well, for all I know Bill Gothard owns TLC and the joke is on us.

Cheetah said...

Happy birthday to Jinger, celebrating her 18th birthday today! I hope she gets to do something as awesome as skydiving, like Jessa got to for her 18th (although Jinger wouldn't choose skydiving since she's afraid of heights).

Mom of 2 Boys said...

TWOP has an article about the most heinous people on reality tv. Josh Duggar is on the list. Anna traveling on the book tour while in her 3rd trimester and taking a nap while she was in labor and giving birth on a toilet were given as reasons for him being included on this list.

Elvira said...

Painting of the Old car lot office that they apparently finally were able to buy from the bank.
http://instagr.am/p/ZZHCX/

Not too much grieving going on.

sandi said...

I have to wonder if Josh being filmed taking a nap actually happened after the birth.That way he would not be responsible for the toilet birth filming,as filming was already in progress by the time he got 'up'.
Just a thought,seeing as the Duggars,IMO,used cousin Amy to release the gun and miscarriage pics (IMO),in order to release themselves from any liability on those.

no1 said...

This represents my meandering thoughts on the Duggar's ideas of what represents "true" religious devotion which heretofore I haven't been able to comprehend:

I recently had occasion to review some of the writings of the scholar Mircea Eliade. He noted that many traditional societies believe the power of something lies in its origin. Only the sacred has value; only a thing's first appearance has value, and therefore only the sacred's first appearance has value. So, only that age (or mythical time) is sacred time - the only time of value.

Eliade wrote that this is the reason for the nostalgia for origins that appears in many religions . . the desire to return to a primordial paradise.

I keep thinking of the Duggars using this paradigim. Are the 1950s their "sacred time?"

I think MY problem is I keep trying to find logical reasons for their choices and there are none.

AnotherRN said...

I finally managed to watch the scene when Jason fell. I got the chills watching Michelle's reaction. I don't understand on any level why someone would film that, let alone several of the family doing so. (I am still amazed that they have iphones, esp. considering the access to the outside world that such devices supply.) I don't buy the excuse that she was using her camera as a flashlight. If so, wouldn't you still try to comfort him and hold the phone's light in the most useful place, rather than watching the screen, ie-filming?

Then, when she was walking out with him and he was immobilized, frightened and in obvious pain, she was smiling like she just won an award and still not focusing on her injured child!

As a trauma nurse for over a decade, I am absolutely appalled that the film crews were allowed in the trauma bay. This poor child had potentially serious injuries and personally, I feel that the medical staff should have been allowed to work in peace. I am all for family being at the bedside, but for very different reasons. Michelle's detachment and complete ineffectiveness at comforting her child pretty much tells the whole story. Tragic.

londonbridges said...

Michelle looked happy, smiling, while posing for the cameras. She didn't appear to be making a serious attempt to comfort her blessing. JMHO.

I also agree that the camera crew should not have been allowed in the trauma bay. The parents I understand being allowed, if they stay out of the way of staff, and are present to calm the child, and answer pertinent questions. If not, that's why there are waiting rooms. It seems like the Duggars are treated like celebs in these situations.

These events neither encourage nor minister to me. Along with the $$$ comes inflated egos, I think. JMHO.

londonbridges said...

Happy New Year to all. I wish for peace, health and serenity for 2012.

Use a screen name please said...

The Duggar parents with the "very conservative values" who keep their kids out of school to teach them "character traits" may be admired for raising well-mannered children, but the proof is in the pudding when they grow up as is evidenced by the oldest son, now an "independent" adult who apparently didn't learn the lesson of the evils of the Internet, but did learn all about "character." If the Duggar parents are aware of what their son is writing online and approve, my opinion of them could not go any lower at this point. Josh got the judgmental part down pat, but he didn't master the sweet, insidious techniques that his parents use in public. The comments Josh writes on his Instagram site portray a shallow-minded, hypocritical, judgmental, very poorly educated, arrogant, spoiled, selfish adult, and he learned it somewhere from someone. Not that I'm absolving him of responsibility. Not at all. He's well over the age of twenty-one and should know better regardless of how he was raised. As a concerned citizen, I feel it is my perogative to respond when hateful political statements intended to influence others are posted online in a public way. I wonder how Josh finds time to gab online when he has a family to raise, a house to take care of, a business with two car lots to manage, to say nothing of traveling around the country every couple of weeks for the TV show that he co-stars in.

Sharla said...

Someone asked for the URL of Josh's blog:
http://www.ja20.com/

I think most of the comments are coming from his instagram account though. I posted that link previously.

sandi said...

It's possible Josh is being used in a similar manner that cousin Amy is..to stir up controversy.The ratings are down,aren't they? Just a thought.

londonbridges said...

Sandi may have a point. The Duggars have received great criticism in regard to the loss of the latest pregnancy, and the subsequent dramas. Maybe Josh is being used to draw attention away from the latest fiasco, and it seems to be working for some, at least. I think the Duggars certainly want to be in the limelight, but would like to move away from the miscarriage/loss of the latest blessing. JMHO.