Tuesday, April 30, Love & Marriage, 9:00 PM (Season 7)

For the first time, Jim Bob and Michelle talk candidly about marriage, babies and everything in between as they head off to a marriage retreat to build on their strong relationship. Meanwhile, can Gandma hold down the fort back home while they are away?

60 minutes

68 comments:

Boo's Mom said...

Candidly? I won't hold my breath. :/

Beth Anne said...

Re: FOR THE FIRST TIME, Jim Bob and Michelle talk candidly about marriage, babies and everything in between..."

Really, the first time???? Good grief, all these people do is talk about themselves, their morals, their lifestyle choices, their menstrual cycles, their love life, their desire for more precious additions, etc. etc. etc. Over and over and over again, on the TV show, at speaking engagements, in their books, in the audio versions of their books, etc.

hello said...

They have already spoken time and time again about these issues. They go out once a week on a date night, we know their views on babies(have as many as humanly possible), they have the girls chart Michelle's cycle so they know when she is most likely to get pregnant, etc. I think this is their way of getting away from the kids once again. Grandma Duggar will be much too busy doing laundry to take care of the kids. That will fall on the older girls just as it does every other day.

Rudy Tecat said...

Again,poor Grandma Duggar! What has she done to deserve this?

Allison said...

TLC clearly doesn't understand the people they feature on their network. The first time?! WTH?! Where have they been for the last TEN YEARS?!

Michigander1969 said...

Their date nights annoy me out of pure jealousy i suppose. I never get a date night with my hubby. I have an older daughter at home but between college classes, working and her own social life, she didnt have time. I would feel terrible if the Duggars get out one night a week and their adult kids do not. That is just wrong!
Please get them to stop saying everything is encouraging!
Ughhhhh

Leigh Ann said...

I can't get my husband out of the house! They ought to stay home one night and let everyone 13 and older go out. Not necessarily all together, they can go a few separate ways if they want. And Grandma gets the night off, too.

tater tot said...

Same Ole Same Ole ....the girls track Michelles menstral cycle...now thats just down right weird. Michelle should be diving into menapause soon...hopefully real soon so her daughters wont have to track her cycle ...CRAZY with a huge ick factor!

sandi said...

Why do they track her cycle anyway? So they will know when to stay out and when to keep everyone else out of their parents' room at night? I can't think of any other reason,unless Michelle just doesn't like to bother.And it isn't that much trouble if you know your cycle well, really.

DuggarGoth said...

Ugh!! Like Grandma has never had to hold down the fort before... Same old stuff. In the real world we do our own laundry and raise our own kids and maybe if we're lucky we get a night out with our spouse. I feel sorry for the older kids who are stuck with all of this, bet they'd like the night off to do whatever they want.

Dee said...

Yes, I have often thought what a shame it is that Michele and Jim Boy spend so little time together, gazing into each other's eyes.

Oh, wait, they do that when they go on field trips, with the older girls watching the younger set.

nanner puddin said...

Keeping track of their Mom's cycle? What kind of messed up people are these? This is just sick! Same old story leave Grandma Duggar and the older girls/WOMEN to care for the house and family and laundry ETC. Grandma D and the Duggar young women need to get the heck out...those parents would reproduce without a thought too their daughters. It's the daughters turn to have a life. Huge ick factor on the "cycle"

Boo's Mom said...

Sandie: I don't get it either. Some things just are not the kids business. The girls don't need to know when their mother is fertile (and likely having sex) Boundaries? lol

nanner puddin said...

Boo's Mom, you have that spot on. The girls dont need to know all that cycle fertile/having sex. All they teach is you cant do this you cant do that but when it comes to JB/M seems like its alll about them. Your right where are the boundaries, so glad i didnt have to know my moms cyle. Parents should be private in some areas and you would think fundy people like the duggars would think about this but oh no they think of ..who their own selfish needs. To heck with the grown kids and what they need or want, that doesnt seem to count in Duggar world. SAD

Patrice said...

Most ridiculous and false statement to date. I hate to tell you, TLC, but there really are very few people in the free and educated world who want to base their relationships on the Duggars' relationship. Save the tape, save the half hour of TV. No one except a handful of uneducated sheeple are inspired by this lunatic couple. We don't need to hear their "wisdom". I'd rather see the kids cutting their toenails than the bio parents spouting their nonsense. Thanks.

Dar said...

I have not been commenting for a long period of time. I did watch this week and was astounded to hear the Michelle was praying about "adoption". Now, I am all for adoption, but how in the world does that woman have the nerve to even consider it. She doesn't look after her own children and has the gall to bring another home for her girls to bring up.

It was so uplifting to see almost 30 minutes of the two biggest egos around huffing and puffing and acting like naughty little boys regarding their diets. (yawn)

Nicole said...

I must have missed the episode that said the older girls track Michelle's cycle. When did they say that? I can't imagine why that would be necessary.

Cassia said...

Wouldn't someone who gets pregnant so easily (and frequently) have a pretty predictable & normal monthly cycle?

Rudy Tecat said...

One time they showed the chart of Michelle's cycle that was posted on the refrigerator for all to see. I mean, for such chaste folks, this show is all about s_x!

sandi said...

I don't know if it was in a particular episode or not (anyone?) but I do recall the girls saying it on the Today show, when Michelle announced she was expecting # 18 (Jordyn).They said something to the effect they thought she might be pregnant, because of the calendar.

MandySue said...

Reading these comments made me wonder...

What ever happened to JOY? They are certainly not putting their kids or G-ma first.

sandi said...

I've always thought J.O.Y. doesn't apply to Jim Bob and Michelle!

Marites H. said...

That uber-modest swimwear Michelle is wearing is downright awful and bound to turn just as many heads as a skimpy 2-piece.

puddin' said...

I'm sick of this program. The parents do not think to much of their grown daughters and sons. That baby like voice that Michelle uses to me is like she is talking baby talk to babies. She is almost what 50 years old. Jimbo and his attempt at humor uggggh. Them at a marriage retreat bahumbug. Time for their kids to have lives outside of Duggar Land. Free Grandma D from the dirty clothes gig.

Nancy said...

Good lord, all these people do is talk about their rules for "love and marriage." There a house full of unmarried adults who need Daddy's blessing to even talk to a guy (chaperoned...remember JB sloshing around in the Dead Sea when a guy dared talk to his daughters?). They're on tape talking about how they chart Michelle's cycles "like a hawk."

Point being, this is practically ALL they ever talk about; well, that and they will have as many babies as God will give them. It's actually more about sex (or preventing your children from having it until their wedding night) for these people.

The last couple of episodes pulled Bates-esque numbers. Hopefully, TLC got the memo and stopped sending the film crew out to the Duggar back 40 of late.

Sharla said...

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flowerchild said...

Actually their swimwear is rather dangerous loose or heavy clothing is difficult to swim in.

Katie said...

OMG this show needs to be OVER! I think drilling my own teeth would be less painful than watching even one more minute of that blah, blah, blah!

Ash said...

Couldnt stand how jim bob kept saying men like the physical part of a relationship and women like to talk...blah

puddin' said...

Katie: You got that right!!! I fell asleep during some of this episode. Heard some of the same stuff that they have said over and over and over again. Pull the Plug TLC. On a positive my nap was a good one :-)

londonbridges said...

I scanned the episodes last night, and I was totally disgusted. All the talk about the "physical" side of marriage, trying for number 20, if Michelle is pregnant it would have happened in the last few days, etc. For a family who is so modest, the sexual comments were over the top in my opinion. I am so done with this reality show. A prude I am not, but repeatedly hearing about their "physical" hook-ups was just way too much for me.

LittleMama said...

The spoiler for "next time" with Josh and Anna on the couch cracked me up. When we put our 16 month old (she was just over a year at that time) in the same room with our 3 year old, it was exhausting the first few nights! Once you get through them it is smooth sailing, but at first it can make for long nights of readjustment. :) Like watching things I can relate to and look back now and chuckle.

SheSays said...

I don't think there is paradise in the home. I think Michelle and Jim Bob could benefit a great deal from some good marriage counseling. I can't imagine being married to someone who would purposely do things to upset me. Jim Bob tricking Michelle into eating hot salsa is so immature and really mean. Just seems odd to me because I know my husband wouldn't treat me like that.

I found one part of the show quite interesting and I don't know if anyone else noticed it.

It was right after Jim Bob was finished with the zip line and it cut to them talking. Michelle was trying to talk and Jim Bob was talking over her. Michelle gave up and gave quite an eye roll. Jim Bob didn't even seem to notice and kept right on talking and then Michelle was putting on her fake smile. It was even more noticeable when I watched it in slow motion. Seems like Jim Bob didn't learn as much as he needed to at that retreat.

Olivia said...

"Producer: What do you hope to get out of this trip?

Jim Bob: Number 20."

Seriously? That was is answer? This trip wasn't about their marriage (their marriage is fine), the trip was about them going to have lots of s*x!

puddin' said...

Jimboob has been commenting on the "physical side" for along time. Encluding on Josh's wedding day. SAME STUFF different Year. Blaaa. Yeah Jimbob we ladies just like to talk LOL..unless your really hot.;-)

Judy said...

You know, Jim Bob, actually women like sex, too. And they like physical intimacy. Wow, I know, really.

Buck said...

Has anyone noticed that Jim Bob is ALWAYS the one turning to kiss Michelle -- NEVER the other way around. I wonder if Jim Bob's willing to pull at that thread?

Dee said...

Am I the only person contiually shocked at the way the Duggar children are allowed to climb on kitchen counters? It's dangerous and germ-laden.

Not to sound mean, but given the way Duggar girls are kept away from men, they are the last person I would ask about relationships.

And the idea of only dating when you have a specific plan to marry that person - why be so unwilling to give someone even one date? We've all met people and not been that impressed at first, but then they improve with knowing them.

SheSays said...

Yes Buck, I notice it is Jim Bob that always kisses on Michelle. I have seen her turn her face many times and he will end up kissing her on the cheek. I really don't think Michelle is that into Jim Bob. She just puts out because it is her duty and that is the only way to become pregnant.

Penny said...

I picture a marriage retreat where you would register and pay a fee and there would be other couples at the retreat-there would be speakers and maybe you would break up into small groups-Michelle and Jim Bob have come a long way thanks to TLC-a personal retreat with a counselor all the way in Puerto Rico. Josh and Anna really relying on TLC income that Anna has to pop in to fix a breakfast of toast and Nutella and fruit-even Josie has to fix in up by putting fruit on her toast. Then commercial break for nothing other than a Nutella commercial-wow-how much staged can we get.

bekki said...

So the Duggar girls share their worldly wisdom with younger girls. How do I say this? THE DUGGAR GIRLS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MEN!!! So tired of hearing Jill speak from the JimBob and Michelle book of Duggarisms.

Lisa said...

Question...towards the end when they were talking about any courtships on the horizon...did they say therewere no Duggar girl courtships on the horizon or no courtships in general? Anyone catch that part? If they specifically said no girls then that still leaves something open for John.

Judy said...

The not reading romance novels thing really cracked me up. It might make you pine for the love you can't have.

Kelly V said...

I also noticed that little bit with the Nutella, then suddenly a Nutella commercial! Reminded me of that movie The Truman Show. Do you think the producers are actually asking them to promote certain products, or are they just choosing to air commercials that fit with the story?

A fifteen year old girl asked for the Duggar girls for her birthday? Are they the new clown/magician/petting zoo? Do you think they were just doing a favor for a friend, or did they get paid for it?

If I heard one more thinly veiled sex reference from Jim Bob, I was going to be sick. That man is such a horn dog. He needs a daily cold shower.

mom in texas said...

Someone, maybe Anna, made a comment along the lines of "With Mom and Dad away this gives the girls practice in taking care of the house". Practice? Really? Ths is what they do everyday. This is their lives. No practice needed. I hate how they try to make it seem as if the girls aren't the primary caregivers in the Duggar household.

Jill is becoming increasingly annoying at how trained she is. There was one interview moment when Jana said something and Jill even corrected her, the older sister. Jill seems like she is trying to win some sort of contest on who can be the most obedient. I wonder does she do this in an effort to stand out amongst her sisters? Maybe she feels if she can have the better character qualities then she will be more desirable wife material.

Buddy Free said...

Jill does that to Jana because Jill can see that Jana is the prettier sister. So she wants to take charge and feel in control. Jill is getting on my nerves over bearing abit and Jana is soft spoken and thoughtful and mindful of what she says, shes a cutie. On the Anna and give the girls practice.. Im with you Mom in Texas thats right those girls have grown up doing their Mothers job. What a boring life for those young women.

Sharla said...

Ratings for last night were 1.030 million viewers and a 0.4 rating.

Not a Fan said...

On the note of "Not reading romance novels"...I am sure they don't even know what Fifty Shades of Grey is let alone any other erotic type novel. So are they talking about Jane Eyre, Pride and Prejudice, Gone with the Wind, Scarlet Letter, etc.? These are classic novels. Ones that normal high school students do read because they are on the reading list. Classic literature, nothing wrong with it. There is not even anything wrong with The Note Book or any other book written by Nicholas Sparks. Why these girls think that they have any leg to stand on regarding relationships is beyond me. Why this mother thought inviting them to her home was a great idea boggles my mind. They don't know jack. Maybe this mother could have had a candid conversation with her daughter about her feelings on relationships and teens. Maybe it could have been a family thing with other teen cousins and aunts. Heck maybe Dad could have jumped in and told his perspective. Any teen parents around to lend information? Any teen girl who screwed up and has given her baby up for adoption and the guy has disappeared because he wanted nothing to do with the whole thing? Chances of those scenarios being possible, highly likely. Come one people talk to your kids don't call the Duggar girls in so they can give false/unrealistic information.

sandi said...

IIRC,I read somewhere that a woman Michelle's age would have about a 1% chance of getting pregnant.So keep talking about no. 20. We know it is all just talk.

Boo's Mom said...


Maybe they think that reading such "evil" stuff (such as the classics) will tempt their children into "ungodly things" LMAO! That just shows how little they trust their kids, not to mention how threatened they are by anything outside their precious bubble. I actually feel bad for these children, think of all the great works of art, literature and knowledge they have been sheltered from?

Its really sad how crippling fear can be.

Jac&Jil said...

The Duggar girls tell other teens not to read romance novels. I think reading a romance novel would come in handy later if any of the girls end up marrying a dolt like David Waller.

AR Girl said...

It's ironic that the Duggars spend a great deal of time and effort with their obsession over stifling any type of naturally occurring sexual feelings, yet here are the older girls delivering a speech about "dating with a purpose" at a fifteen year old's birthday party! How unbelievably frightening for a young woman to be shoved into marriage where she’s expected to immediately commence a full-blown intimate relationship with absolutely no emotional experience or preparation.

I'm sure some will disagree, but these folks seem like a bunch of passive-aggressive child abusers.

Christian Romance Writer said...

The Duggar girls tell other teens not to read romance novels. I think reading a romance novel would come in handy later if any of the girls end up marrying a dolt like David Waller.

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I wonder what would happen if I sent the Duggar girls one of my novels. I would never ever ever in a million years pick up a Harlequin but I love a good, wholesome romantic story about a loving couple whose relationship with each other is second only to their relationship with God.

Duggar Fan but Losing Interest said...

The sister-moms could easily pass themselves off as young moms discussing their little ones' different personalities and clean-up routines. In the real world, a few of them would probably be married with kids already.

G'ma Duggar is an amazing, active lady. I can't imagine G'ma Michelle plotting out a game of Four Square to entertain all her grandkids while Josh & Anna go away on a "marriage retreat". I can't imagine Michelle doing much of anything than staring adoringly at Jim Bob like he is the source of all wisdom and accepting all those yucky PDA kisses.

Not exactly sure why the Duggar girls are considered such experts on "dating with a purpose" or whatever you want to call it when they went to that birthday party. They've spent those awkward teenaged years being followed around by a TV crew and closely monitored by overprotective parents in case a boy might get close enough to make eye contact or (gasp!) try to start a conversation.

londonbridges said...

While the odds of Michelle conceiving are very low, I am tired and disgusted with JimBob's constant references to sex. IMHO, when my partner and I engage in making love, it is a private matter to be kept between us. We are never broadcasting to others about our sexual activities, and the Duggars are supposedly such a modest family. How is constant talking about the private 'physical' side of their relationship okay to share with viewers? JMHO.

bekki said...

As someone said earlier, the Duggars are supposed to be such modest people yet they (or JimBob, at least) enjoy being cutesie/crass with all the sexual innuendo and jokes. Remember JimBob telling Josh that sex was "like legos?" JimBob and Anna both act as if they will absolutely die if they don't get in 100 pecks a day from the spouse. But the best is how JBob manages to find EVERY opportunity to pick up Michelle and carry her across a "threshhold." His ego demands that much attention. One last thing. Remember how he bragged to that stunned San Salvador family that HE had 19 children? That poor, suffering, downtrodden little family. And all the man could do was crow about his manliness.

Emilya842 said...

I felt bad for Michelle during this episode. It seemed that everytime she would try and discuss something serious, JB had to make a joke. I understand that serious conversations make some people nervous, but he shouldn't deflect every attempt Michelle made. My husband and I joke around a lot, but we have enough respect for our relationship to take important conversations seriously. Maybe Michelle should have mentioned his joking at inappropriate times a her most pressing issue.

Canadian Fan said...

JB joked that they'd like to get #20 -- maybe they forgot about the 2 miscarriages and lost count of the kids they already had. If they are so concerned about modesty doing certain activities why don't they refuse to show it on camera and talk about it later. "We went scuba diving yesterday. It was (insert adjective here)." But no they have to overemphasize the fact over and over and over again that they are so much more dedicated to modest standards than the rest of us. JB looked ridiculous going scuba diving in cut-off jeans. Michelle might be worried about other women swooning over him if he wore the usual skin-tight wet suit. His stupid, nearly off-colour jokes about the intimate side of they marriage are like jr. high humour. I watched the episode but both of their voices annoy me so much I fast-forwarded through most of the episode.

Ashley said...

I liked this episode. Obviously that wasn't a marriage retreat that most people would take, but I appreciate that they were actually trying to work on their relationship. It was a nice change from the image that they are always happy together. And it's certainly better than watching a marriage fall apart on TV (Jon and Kate). I did feel bad that Jim Bob wasn't really taking it seriously, but hopefully he thought later about what she was saying. Maybe I'm just buying what they're trying to sell, but it sounded like the older girls COULD tell the difference when Michelle wasn't home to help (or direct!) them. I thought the girl's talk was about what you'd expect. They don't really have experience to give advice about relationships, but I like that they seem to have enough self-respect to know that they can have expectations in a man. And that if they want something in a man, they should have those same traits in themselves. I grew up in a similar environment, and girls were so desperate to get married that they weren't necessarily as picky as they should have been.

Allison said...

First off, it was Josh who said "It's just like Legos?" in his pre-marital talk with Jim Bob. It wasn't Jim Bob who said that. A lot of people keep attributing the episode but you can watch it and see that he says it.

Second, I'm actually glad that they showed that Michelle and Jim Bob don't have a perfect marriage and even they feel it's important to work on their communication issues. So that was nice.

Third, I wonder if the girls actually have had interest in boys that we haven't seen. Jill referenced to times when they have been swooning over a boy, but we haven't seen any such thing. I wonder if Michelle and Jim Bob hide or try to deflect that kind of stuff because they want to protect some kind of image about their girls. I just thought it was interesting that Jill said "All us girls" have had certain feelings towards boys when we at home haven't seen anything. It's something they have hinted at in their other talks, and it's a little strange they keep repeating these sentiments. Obviously they don't film everything, so I wonder if this is something they are purposefully keeping off the screen so it shows a more "holy" version of their girls who are only interested in their one beloved (ala Josh and Anna -- Josh was only seen interested in one girl and it's the one he married).

Just something to think about...

Maria said...

"Dating with a purpose" is not really dating in Duggar land. Dating is not allowed with these girls, so I don't understand why they use that word. What they intend to do is find a suitor and become engaged to them. They are then allowed to "court" with the intention that the end result will be marriage, in order to avoid "giving pieces of your heart away". What a dismal prospect it must be to know that you are going into an entirely chaperoned courtship and that the end result MUST BE marriage. No kissing involved.

Even the Victorians and Edwardian women were allowed to kiss and hold hands with their suitors prior to engagement. My 96 year old grandmother told me that, in response to the Duggars not even kissing during courtship. She thinks they are fanatically and oddly rigid, and I would agree.

Jill advised other young women that reading romance novels would stir a desire in the heart. Yes, they might, and so what of it? Grown women such as Jana and Jill are old enough to read such things, should they choose. They are grown women, no longer children, and should be feeling desires in their hearts. I find it so odd that Jill, who is a midwife should understand that having desire is part of our human makeup. It's physiological, biological, etc. She should understand that it's natural and not something we need to repress. As I said, the Victorians and Edwardians were more lenient than the Duggars!

I was so disturbed when Jim Bob said that what he hoped to get out of the marriage retreat was #20. He may have been joking but what an awful joke that was. What will he do when Michelle goes into her next season of life, menopause?

mom in texas said...

It bothered me for more than one reason when Jim Bob made the #20 comment. I guess he fails to remember the daughter they buried last year Baby Jubilee or does she not count as #20 anymore? It's funny how the Duggars logic can be so twisted sometimes. It's a baby when you are celebrating her impending birth or mourning her loss but then suddenly she disappears from the count.

I also think Michelle is very aware that she is in another season of life and the possibility of another pregnancy is slim to none. In fact it's usually Jim Bob who is shouting out random comments about "baby #20". I don't know if Jim Bob is nervous or completely aloof but I really want to believe he has to know how insensative his comments are.

Nana Sew Dear said...

I'm not sure that the Duggar kids have the reading ability for the classics. It seems to me that many ultra conservative people scoff at people who are intellectually inclined.
About Jill;yes she has really drunk the koolaid. I really wonder if she will ever develop a life of her own.

Cassia said...

If you include "Caleb" in between Josh & Jana/John-David as well as "Jubilee" most recently that would make Michelle next pregnancy as Duggar #22.

sandi said...

I do agree the Duggars want to keep their family image,esp.the girls...seemingly spotless.IMO I think a lot of it has to do with not just Jim Bob's ego,but the fact he has been in politics (and may be again?) So no women even considering looking at other guys,other than in a courtship manner.Seems this doesn't apply as much to the boys?

puddin' said...

JimBob with his #20 child---i think he knows he is making Michelle uncomfortable and probably on un-easy ground when he says these things, he just don't care if he gets a laugh out of him and then his goofy grin he thinks thats Ok. Its not Ok Jimboob your almost 50years old. Why dont you read alittle, as its not only the woman that can't or should not have kids after a certain age---that goes for him too as children born of older men have learning disabilites. Its a fact. GROW UP JIMBOB.

bekki said...

Allison, yes it WAS Jimbob who made the "legos" reference when explaining sex to Josh. (I double-checked like you suggested - now it's your turn) Anywho, I don't dislike Jimbob or Michelle, I just think that they expect things of their children that they didn't expect of THEMSELVES. Did Michelle wear pants when she was young? Yes. Was public school allowed for them? Yes. Did Jimbob kiss Michelle before their marriage? Yes..

And so I really, really want those beautiful, young women to be allowed to have a life! It's not all about you, Jimbob.

Michelle, I really believe that you wear the (virtual) pants in the family. Please let those good girls have life experiences outside of laundry and childbirth. They are so intelligent and can do so much more than being midwives - they need to realize this.

They will not go crazy. They will use good judgment. Let them have at least some of the freedom that you had.

Judith said...

I am wondering what the Duggar clan will do when the show finally goes off air? They are used to the travelling, media attention and the huge salary not to mention all the freebies.
I find this show upsetting. The mother appears to be a pampered queen simply because she has had 21pregnancies. The father appears as an uneducated, disorganized and immature who is more annoying than entertaining. The children do all the physical work as well as 95% of the parenting. I feel extremely sorry for everyone of those kids.