Tuesday, May 14, Decisions and Deliveries, Episode 11, 9:00 PM, Season 7

Josh is presented with a job opportunity 1,200 miles away and decide to seek guidance from Jim Bob and Michelle. Jana and Jill's client goes into labor and 9 weeks away from home, the family attends Joseph's boot camp graduation.

30 minutes

38 comments:

mythoughtis said...

Whomever does the episode summarys at TLC really needs to re-read them. I can't decide if the woman in labor is somehow 9 weeks away from home (must live pretty far) or what.

As for Josh and Anna seeking guidance... it's called asking Mom and Dad what they think. Believe it or not, non Gothard adult offspring occasionally ask for advice too. But we will, of course, hear about 'laying it on your heart', etc. The rest of us discuss intuition, gut instinct, or determining the pros and cons.

kat said...

the family is going to see Joseph's graduation from boot camp. He's one the one that's been away for 9 nine weeks. It has nothing to do with the lady In labor.

sandi said...

Well,hello Duggars,some ppl actually function in the real world without running to ask their parents what they think about every move they make.It's called being an adult.

Beth Anne said...

Re: It's called being an adult.

Well, we all know that Josh and the other "adult" children are still under JimBob's thumb. The car lot is JimBob's property, he set up the business for Josh, Josh lives in grandma's house, etc. Not that parents shouldn't help their children even when they grow up, but I kind of sense that these kids will need their father's approval for almost every life decision for a long time to come. And, quite frankly, they haven't really been given the tools or freedom to engage in independent analysis and decision making on their own.

Nancy said...

Well, there is the small matter of JB not being able to parade around ALL 19 of his, offspring to functions full of fawning fundie fangirls (their fanbase seems to be about 85% female, if not higher).

As far as we can tell (since Josh is still posting Instagram pics from Arkansas), the FRC probably humored Josh by interviewing him. Lobbyists tend to have at least bachelor's degrees in Poly Sci, if not a Master's. I don't know, but someone who has a GED and can parrot FOX News isn't qualified.

He's best standing on street corners holding signs for whatever right wing cause Jim Bob has chosen to champion that day.

Special Ed Lady said...

There is nothing wrong with Josh and Anna asking for imput from his parents. They are both young and inexperinced at making major decisions. Most people would take the advice think it over and make their own decison together. I imagine Josh will make the chioce and he is not very wordly. It might force them to grow up.

sandi said...

I think it is safe to say that Josh and Anna will never be making any decisions of their 'own' that don't meet with Jim Bob's approval.JMO.

Rudy Tecat said...

Moving to Washington, DC would probably put a crimp in going with his pre-teen siblings to Silver Dollar City several times a year. But, on the bright side, Josh and Anna would get some one-one-one time with that revisionist DC tour guide.

Cassia said...

Once again Jim Bob is being immature, trying to get Joseph to crack a smile while he's supposed to be standing at attention. If it were coming from Jackson or one of the other howler monkeys it might be considered cute, but Jim Bob is supposed to be a mature adult. The same immature stunt he pulled trying to get the palace guards to talk on their trip to England.

Interesting to see Michelle actually having to work in the kitchen since several of her "big girl helpers" weren't available.

McKenzie is definitely being trained as a sister-mom as she is helping Anna take care of baby Paul. If Josh & Anna do move to DC (highly unlikely) they won't have the support system of babysitters at their disposal. But Anna's mom did make a good point about them needing to find a good church as a new support system while they are away from the rest of their family.

Stephanie said...

Jill has been training for 2 years and 3 years left to before she's a midwife? Did I hear that right?

Dar said...

What a waste of talent, brains, brawn, and all other attributes these young people seem to possess. Jill and Jana just soak up the information. It is too bad they can't go through proper training and become nurses or doctors. Who know what they could achieve if they were allowed to broaden their scope. Joseph did so well with his training. Will he now sit around with the children and wait for a disaster? I do think Josh could have been educated for something other than being married and trailing around with his parents and younger siblings. I don't believe he was offered the job in Washington. That was just filler for the show. I think Michelle home schooling and making breakfast was just staged as well. It speaks volumes that there are so many young men around and none of them seemed to be able to prepare eggs for breakfast. This family lives in quite a bubble.

Nancy said...

I was watching two of my teams go down in defeat tonight and haven't had a chance to see the episodes yet.

Did they mention that Jana, Jessa, and Jinger were also in Florida when Josh/Anna, and Davilla were there? They were part of a Gothard-led prison ministry, bringing the indoctrination camp to poor, unsuspecting prisoners. Davilla were also part of this, as were a couple of the Query girls.

ch said...

Michelle you are very sad that you call your big girl helpers they are ages 17-20 ,and Jimbob you cant cook after all the years you and Mitchelle have been married and 19 kids very sad Jimbob very sad , my day helped my mom all the time cook, clean and they have 5 kids and they really hug each other not just a hug from the side hug like you hug all your kids Jimbob very sad verysad and to make your son smile at stading at attention, really Jimbob :(

Beth Anne said...

Stephanie said...Did I hear that right?

Yes, that's what the Certified Midwife said...academic and clinical work for three more years prior to Jill's "exam." But, we all know how sometimes on the show they talk about things that make them sound like they are more official/important than they are, and my analytic, skeptical self is thinking, what academic courses from which institution? What "exam" is being spoken about, and what type of degree will Jill receive upon passing the exam? Is it a certified midwife exam/certificate from an accredited institution, or just some non-accredited status placed upon her by the person she currently "works" for? And, notice they never talked about Jana doing academic courses or clinical work, and Jana did not seem to participate much in the birth other than cuddling the baby afterwards. So, she really does seem to be a buddy to Jill, which is sad, in the sense that Jana is not really contributing or pursuing her own passions, but making sure Jill does not run off with the husband or read romance novels when attending a birth...ack!

LittleMama said...

Regarding CPM's, it is an actual license and recognized in the US- but depending on the state you decide to practice in matters a lot. Some states give more rights to this license than others. It is a lot of training (think of it like how in the "old days" everyone learned trades by apprenticing masters) by the hour with other midwives, but you also have to have the book knowledge to pass the license exam (and of course be a competent midwife that can retain clients!). My midwife is a CMP and she is fantastic. That being said, all CPM's (just like GP's or OB's) are different. It looks like Jill and the other midwives-in-training are really hands-on, almost mimicking a hospital birth. (Example: telling when to push, how to breathe, and even going as far as telling the mom she needed to get out of the pool.) Personally I would HATE that, as I like to labor alone, without people bugging me (there were so many people around the birth mom!!), and only want the midwife for support or emergency. Regarding Jana, a doula certificate is much different and she is trained in support only (a birth coach). She has to be a part of so many births but it would be like comparing a CNA to a GP. Jana going along with Jill would help her reach her quota of births more quickly, and of course if they decide to work together as a team it will help them attain clients. Whatever you claim the Duggars belong to, they are not the only ones who choose midwives or home births! Safety statistics on the use of midwives and home births are becoming more known and more women are choosing it. With the complete institutionalization of the hospital and the general better care we take care of ourselves, home births are safer for a healthy mother than a hospital birth in the US as of right now. Crazy, I know!

Beth Anne said...

LittleMama said...
Whatever you claim the Duggars belong to, they are not the only ones who choose midwives or home births!

I don't think anyone on this site has ever claimed the Duggars are the only ones who choose midwives or homebirths. I personally think it's a wonderful option for many people. My suspicion radar just goes off whenever I hear talk of classes, exams, etc. going on, as the Duggars can be somewhat ambiguous in matters of schooling. There was a big push a while back on the TV show about College Plus, and you never hear a word about that schooling option anymore or where it has gotten any of the kids, in terms of progress toward an actual degree. I really hope Jill is progressing toward an actual CPM license - that would be great!

Sharla said...

1.12 million viewers and a .4 rating.

mythoughtis said...

Michelle mentioned that Jana, Jinger, and Jessa were on a 'mission', and that Jill had been up all night with two deliveries. She did not mention where the girls were, but that was probably when everyone was in Florida.

Ty's Mom said...

Earlier today someone commented on Josh's instagram that he should take the job in DC and RD replied to them saying that Josh already took the job! Not surprisingly, those comments have been deleted...

Another thing that bothered me was when Anna said that if they moved to DC they would lose their "Built-in babysitters" with Josh's family. Yes, family is there to help and it is great to have them around with young children but her comment seems like they're taking advantage of the older Duggar girls.

Nancy said...

Vanessa, the midwife whom Jill apprentices under, is a Lat Midwife, which is a licensed position in AR. Jill will never go beyond that point; I don't think Gothard's "rules" would allow her to get the training to become a registered nurse-midwife, which is the next designation up for that state.

I can't picture Jill doing RN clinicals in the WR. Will Buddy Jana have to down some sterile clothes and stand in a corner to make sure Jill doesn't read Cosmo on her breaks?

flowerchild said...

Five years to become a midwife that's insane she could've gotten her masters in nursing rn or well on her way to being a Dr. That just didn't add up to me.

Josh and Anna's faces looked crest fallen when jimbob and Michele focused on all the negative points of moving. They acted like it would destroy their marriage and big monsters would eat if they get too far away. Actually many couples draw closer if they have only one another to lean on. But they can find a good church, Anna could find a MOPs group, the world is only scary if your only looking for the evil and missing the good. I think its worth a try for Josh if it doesn't work they can move back. But josh and Anna are smart enough to make it anywhere on their own.

Buck said...

The job that Josh is considering is as a senior executive with the Family Research Council. This organization has been certified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and has been known to repeatedly publish untrue propaganda about GLBTs. To date, no decision regarding Josh's hiring has been made. Would the Duggars really want to be associated with certified hate group?

Beth Anne said...

Re: "But josh and Anna are smart enough to make it anywhere on their own."

I agree with you on that point. However controlled and sheltered they have been in their upbringing, they both strike me as having a fair degree of innate intelligence. Josh, by far, is the most well-spoken of the older kids, particularly the boys...probably the benefit of the most parental attention, teaching, etc. due to the fact that there weren't 18 other kids around when he was young.

I also agree that JimBob and Michelle created an image of a big bad devil monster being "out there," and that only by staying where they were could Josh and Anna stay safe and holy. They are grown adults with two kids already...if they are too "scared" too move, that doesn't speak well of their upbringing. Parents are supposed to raise their children in a way that provides them with all the tools they need to fly the coop, and it's almost the opposite in this case.

Nancy said...

How is someone with a GED even considered for an executive-level position, even at a dubious organization like the FRC? Waving signs, campaigning with the Dog and Pony show (sing as a group, small speeches in which nothing substantive is said; people show because of who they are, not what he says), and hobnobbing with local Republicans does not an executive make. JB must know someone from Arkansas who now works there who pulled a few strings.

One site that follows the Duggars closely is reporting that Josh was indeed offered the job. We shall see...Good luck on finding that suburban home, Anna. Cash only? Better have about $500k on hand, especially if you need space to grow, as well as a yard. Josh is having a sale at his lot (cars are more reasonably priced), but he was at a car auction last week; he's also had big sales before...remember the Obamacare and other lame anti-Obama themed sales? So this isn't anything new. Not sure what to think at this point, other than they could be waiting for Anna to have the baby and idiotically move while the baby is a tiny infant (pediatricians, anyone?).

Dee said...

I have lived in the Wash, D.C. metro area most of my life, so I was interested in the idea Josh and family might move here.

But have they actually researched what it would cost for a house with a backyard in this area??? Josh would be the only one paying on the mortgage.

Commuter traffic in this area is some of the worst in the country. My brother sometimes drives me around on weekends and comments that sometimes weekend traffic is as bad as work-week traffic. We try and do errands early on the weekends before the traffic gets too bad. We live in northern Virginia and are maybe 6 miles to D.C.

I would suggest Josh come in to this area and try commuting from his job to a potential home during weekdays when people are actually commuting; it might be an eye-opener for him.

I took the metro (subway) into D.C. for over 25 years; it had its pluses and negatives. Will Josh be lucky enough to have parking? But even so, he would have to consider commuting time and frustration from his home to the office and back.

Jim Bob and Michelle, there are lots of good people living in this area - you make it sound so scary.

And Jim Bob's comment that he would expect Josh and his family to visit them several times a YEAR? Uh, how much vacation time will Josh earn? How long does it take to drive from D.C. to the Duggars? How expensive to fly Josh's family to and from? And wouldn't Anna want them to fly/drive to HER family sometimes? Could they afford all that?

Apparently Jim Bob is used to all his 'kin' living close. He probably would prefer if it Josh and his siblings built homes on the Duggar 'compound' and lived there forever.

If Josh takes the job, I guess it would be the first time a child really leaves the nest. They seemed to have a hard enough time when one of the children took 9 weeks training in Texas.

flowerchild said...

For housing I'd find an apartment near a nice park. And consider living with only one vehicle or none buses and subways are cheaper than maintaining or parking a vehicle. City life would be a big adjustment but very doable with the right attitude. Hope his work isn't mean spirited. Good luck Josh if you read this :-)

bekki said...

Wasn't it interesting that when JimBob was asked for "wise counsel" he immediately began to list all the cons for Josh and Anna? And all the cons seemed to have to do with JB. "We wouldn't ever get to see the grandchildren," etc.

Lanie said...

For those who believe in prayer, asking God for wisdom is the only way to make a decision. God knows what the future holds. Sometimes stepping out and moving is the right thing, and sometimes it turns out to be a terrible family decision. They would need a good church, good friends, realistic expectations. I lived in DC suburbs for 20 years, and it's not like Arkansas. The prices are higher, more traffic, lot of different people (good people),housing prices are horrid. A tiny house costing half a million! Best wishes to Josh and Anna.

sandi said...

There are plenty of business ppl who make an air-travel commute to DC on a daily basis from Va.I've seen a lot of them get on around the mid-Va area and get off in DC.They don't necessarily have to live in,around or close to DC.Granted,I don't know if the Co. would be willing to pay for it,but at least they could earn some freq. flyer miles and not have such a high housing cost and traffic problem.
Yes Jim Bob and Michelle need to realize their offspring do not necessarily need to live near them.They make it sound as if it's all about them.And Jim Bob said in their first book that he hoped all his kids would eventually build a house on their land and live around them.I don't think that's a very healthy or realistic attitude to have.They all should have their own privacy and lives.JMO.

Canadian Fan said...

Why are JimBob & Michelle so concerned about the possibility of not spending time with the grandkids if Josh gets that new job in DC? They are barely connecting with their own little blessings. Josh & Anna should be free to make up their own minds.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "Lanie said...

For those who believe in prayer, asking God for wisdom is the only way to make a decision."

I agree. What Josh and Anna did was ask for JimBob and Michelle's wisdom, and JimBob went a somewhat negative route and made it about him and Michelle..."We won't see you", etc. And, not sure wisdom is JimBob's strong point, as he felt the need to point out that Washington D.C. is 'crowded.' Really, JimBob? You don't think those two kind of knew that already? One of their family trips was to D.C., I believe, so unless everyone kept their eyes shut the entire time, they probably figured that one out on their own :)

I hope Josh and Anna have time to reflect and pray on the decision on their own and don't let outside "voices" influence them too much.

beef said...

Is it just me or is Josh less annoying now than in previous years?

zebracrossings said...

TO: JimBob and Michelle...remember in Genesis 2:24? ""That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.""
Josh and Anna love you very much...but they will learn to cling to each other...you will always have a great influence in their lives...but they will learn to the Lord guide them if they obey this verse. Draw comfort from His Word.

Rudy Tecat said...

"beef said...
Is it just me or is Josh less annoying now than in previous years?"


Josh playing with his children is not annoying at all. He's annoying when he's with adults, though.

B-Free said...

JimBob and Michelle are and have been control freaks all of their childrens lives. So sad for all these Dugger Children, including Josh. Run Josh Run and enjoy your life with YOUR family. Its just not all about JB/M or it should not be, these parents are selfish. This is just plain old WRONG. I used to think JB/M were pretty good folks, despite their sometimes different ways, but after years of watching them big changer IMO Doing there Kids Wrong.

Wampascat said...

You might know, the one chance Josh has to get a foot out the door, he winds up in a hate group like The Family Research Council. They're as bad as Westboro Baptist Church.This will do nothing for the family image. Also, embarrassing to watch ,the fawning over Joseph becoming a "man." They had to pay $3500 for ALERT training camp, plus $800-$1200 for equipment. If he'd joined the military, he'd be paid to train for a career and learn independence. As it stands now, this "man" will go back home with his parents and wait for Jim Bob to find him a wife. But, he has mad tug of war skills. Lol

alexc said...

so they expect all 19 kids to live near them in Arkansas as adults? How is it ok that Anna lives far away from her family in Florida, but the second a Duggar kid tries to move away selfish Jim Bob and Michelle make their opinion known? And I got a weird vibe from Michelle saying she just couldn't wait to take her Joseph home when he was standing at attention. IMO I imagined she couldn't wait to swoop down and scoop Joe up to take back to the Duggar nest for an extra dose of brainwashing just to make sure ALERT didn't give him any ideas...

Beth Anne said...

Re: "I got a weird vibe from Michelle saying she just couldn't wait to take her Joseph home..."

I did too! It wasn't like, I hope he learned a lot and had a great time, can't wait to hear about his experiences, etc. It was like, I need my child back under my roof and home 'safe' with me. With JimBob and Michelle, it always circles back to them...we want our kids home, we want our married kids close by, we want them to be homeschooled, we make sure they all play violin, etc. In some ways, that's fine when they are young, but not as fine when the kids are now full-grown adults.