Free Discussion, September 2013

Please use this for Duggar and Bates sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars or Bateses or other families seen on the show, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

116 comments:

Faith said...

In response to a few questions from the August stream about the Erin Bates wedding.... Based on Kelly's responses on the blog I don't think (at this point) that there will be a Duggar girl in the wedding party. I think Kelly said something about the Duggars being good friends but they didn't want a big wedding party.
Also, I don't get the impression that the crew there was working for TLC. Kelly made several comments that they were people from the Bates TLC show, but that they had offered to film it. (So Kelly made it sound more like they were doing the filming on their own, not officially associated with the Duggar show.)

Nancy said...

I agree about no Duggars in the wedding party. The Bateses and Duggars line up pretty similarly in age, so Erin has plenty of sisters over 16 (even Carlin at 15) to be bridesmaids. Chad's family is older, and more male, so that takes care of groomsmen, although I seriously doubt they could justify Josh and Anna being attendants at Erin's wedding. MAYBE Jana or Jill, who are close in age, but that's still an outside shot.

I came here to post this annoying video from Michelle regarding their new take on Jurisdictions. They can actually make DOLLARS now!!! And the kid who gets "put away the dishes" gets off easy since flat and silverware are paper and plastic, and we KNOW the Duggars are big on recycling plastic forks...NOT.

Your ears will bleed. Don't say I didn't warn you. ;)

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/videos/michelles-take-kids-and-chores.htm#mkcpgn=fbtlc1

Londonbridges said...

Hopefully there won't be any Duggar in the wedding party. Erin deserves to be the star of her wedding day, and we know from the past that the Duggars, given the opportunity, will focus on their family alone. How about a Duggar wedding in the near future? There are several eligible blessings to choose. JMHO.

zebracrossing said...

Josh made it to Arkansas for the big sale....he is quite the jet-setter....east coast to west coast....Ohio to Arkansas. It is expensive to travel. Who is paying???

http://web.stagram.com/n/joshduggar/

tulip said...

Yup, and he said "Surprise!" (he made it back in time)...right, he wouldn't miss an opportunity to be filmed. I doubt he would've made the effort if TLC wasn't footing the bill in some way, even if it meant delivering a paycheck to "Josh & Anna Duggar family" for their "appearance". Maybe he will be a part of the dunk tank w/ Amy, after all, they're always competing for attention, if not trying to take over an entire episode. Honestly, a dunk tank featuring Cousin Amy at a benefit for Children's Hospital? Why must they constantly think people want to see them and divert attention to themselves?

I did go back and read the many comments from the Bates post and relieved the camera people weren't affiliated with 19k&c, and hopeful of NO Duggar presence in the wedding party!

Howard said...

I don't think I should stop by the dunk tank. I would be temped to throw the balls right at Amy instead of at the target.

Jen said...

Who is paying for Josh's travel?

My guess is that his Washington DC job is footing most of the travel since they have used words like "on the ground" and "grassroots" to describe Josh's job.

Boo's Mom said...

Am I the only one who gets the feeling that this season is the last? I mean, reality shows can only go on so long and TLC can only come up with some many ideas to keep the show up in ratings.

Faith said...

I watched Michelle's video about chores... I think she was saying that the kids can get paid if they take on a extra task, but the kids don't get paid for doing their regularly assigned chore. Something else that I noticed about all the "Michelle's Take" videos is that they seemed to be all filmed on the same day, based on the fact that she's wearing the same shirt. That must have taken a long time...

Patrice said...

Exactly! Who is watching and teaching the "blessings" and doing the housework while Michelle is sitting and gabbing her nonsense into the camera? Most moms don't have a chance to take their eyes off the kids, or their hands off the housework for a minute, much less locking themselves into a room to talk about nothing at all. Sigh...

Andrea said...

Did anyone else see this notice photographed and posted to Josh’s instagram: “The use of any form of social media to describe your activities or presences here today is strictly prohibited. All content is confidential.”

It’s actually laughable . . . Firstly, Josh clearly shouldn’t have been taking photos and posting them to instagram. And secondly, are we all so interested in future episodes that we’re trolling the internet looking for information about how successful or unsuccessful the event was. LOL

Nancy said...

Well, Josh does have his legion on young teen fangirl posting all over his Instagram. *eyeroll*

I came to post that the Pickles and Hairspray FB posted a picture of Jana, off to Indoctrination Camp yet again.

I wonder what she did this time, and will Jill have to stay with Vanessa again in order to maintain "accountability?" *smh* all around.

Allison said...

I'm sure those signs were for people who were visiting... not for Josh himself at his own family's house...

tulip said...

Yes, saw that as well, and yes, utterly laughable. They think very highly of themselves, esp. Josh. Amy also posted numerous pics of the event on her Instagram, clearly vying for attention and flaunting her "fame" affiliated with the show.
I'm sure all the "visits" to Josh & Anna by the siblings are them checking up, under the guise of "helping out", so they can report back to JB & Michelle. And it's all Duggar. I don't see the Kellers sending family over every week, or pics of the kids communicating to the Keller side over the Apple Macs, nope, only the Duggars-and plenty of it. Seriously, I feel really sorry for Mr. & Mrs. Keller having to take to the sidelines while having watched the Duggars execute a hostile take-over of their daughter & grandbabies.

Hildegard said...

Jana leads Journey to the Heart and has a huge natural smile on her face. I think she views those trips as a vacation from chaperoning Jill, cooking and cleaning for the hordes, and being stuck in a room along with all her sisters.

Seriously? said...

Re: Michelle Duggar and anger issues: Wait. Her god is "convicting" her? So, the Duggar god is The Ultimate Prosecuting Attorney? Wow, sounds like heaven is going to be a huge letdown.

Nancy said...

Regarding Jana, how do we know that's a real smile? She'd just spent the weekend "keeping sweet" with Gothard, personally. They're already in their team colors, heading to the Northwoods and they're all smiling. Almost TOO convincing or contrived, if you know what I mean.

I HOPE that Jana is happy, but she's trading one dorm for another, just with teens and no young girls. Basically a room full of Joys. She's not cooking at home anymore (Jessa and Jinger handle meals), so that's not a bother for her any longer.

Betty said...

We know Michelle has said that Jessa and Jinger handle meals, but we also know how reliable trusting what Michelle says is.

Londonbridges said...

I'm not so certain that Jana's smile is a "natural" one either. The blessings are expected to follow the Gothard ways, no matter what feelings they really have. Jana knows exactly how to act especially in front of a camera. JMHO.

Lauren Manning said...

Jessa is courting????
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=677555645607402&set=a.161096173920021.34186.100000589185118&type=1&theater

Willow said...

Is it a boy with the last name of Patton that might be interested in Jessa? He was in a Western video that some of the Duggar boys made and he is a cutie-pie. I wondered if he was around because of one of the girls. Also, I think the boy Alyssa Bates is "PRE-courting" is a Webster, maybe a brother of the one who was in the movie with Kirk Cameron's sister Candace? The name of that movie escapes me at the moment; I think it was a Christian movie. Does anyone else know about any of that? (My computer won't go to the Facebook page about Jessa courting, for some reason right now).

zebracrossing said...

The picture of Jessa on facebook has a comment from Josh Duggar saying,"I'm watching you". Ugg... They make a cute couple. Ben Seewald is the name on the facebook page.

Ashley said...

Someone who commented on that picture said she's his aunt, and in a later comment, she said that he met her while watching her on the show. I hope that's not true. Ew.

Nancy said...

Ben Seewald just turned 18 in May (his parents are only 39!).A few days ago on his twitter he talked about wishing he could lift a "heavy burden" from a girl for whom he cares very much.

I wonder what Jessa's burden is?

A couple of weeks ago, he tweeted about having to wrestle with difficult questions about his faith. JB's "suitor" questionnaire?

His family appears to follow the Vision Forum curriculum rather than Gothard. Some of the women wear PANTS! But they're still proponents of religious homeschooling and basically right wing-nuts (I saw a video of him on YouTube in which he's trying to talk about the government trampling all over his rights because he doesn't live within city limits, blah, blah, blah).

tulip said...

Wow, he sure isn't shy to reveal so much personal info. all over social media. Wonder if he was cleared to post that profile pic of him & Jessa or just decided to take it upon himself to do so? Maybe he was instructed, as this would be the "teaser" for the new season?...first comes the "next season announcement", then letting the people "discover" the pic, etc. Ugh...complete with Josh's dumbo comment that he'll be "watching". Just so corny.

Pam said...

I really don't think Jana is happy. She just has that look in her eyes, if that makes sense. I've dealt a lot with depression and smiles can deceive, her eyes look sad to me. I really hope she's okay. If she's not, she's probably not allowed to admit it.

Cristina Jensen said...

Wow one of the Duggar girls allowed to court?! No way. Im thinking they are finally letting one of the girls "out" because we all know if something didn't happen soon the gravy train would stop.

Willow said...

PLUS - They had to keep up with the Bates. Ha. Yeah for Jessa. She is a little young, but wishing her well if this is true. So right about the gravy train stopping. I was thinking the same thing. When push came to shove - did they compromise for the sake of ratings - Maybe, I'm not sure but I hope not.

Patrice said...

I am hoping that Jessa is not "courting" under the watchful eyes of her insane parents, but is dating a guy she met on her own, and is making the break from the craziness that is Gothard. If she was courting, JimBob would no doubt have called "People" and "Today" and been the first one to blab it all over- for pay of course. The fact that he didn't, and that Jessa and Ben are already hugging, without the benefit of that important engagement ring, makes me think that maybe she is breaking away and dating in a regular manner which is not approved by the Gothardite Duggars. One can only hope so! Run, Jessa, and don't turn back! You can do it!

Leah said...

Jim Bob can't let the Bates family be more interesting than his. Unfortunately they are..

Cristina Jensen said...

I doubt it that's one of those awkward side hugs they give family and friends. Its not like their holding hands or he has his arm around her waist.

Not a Fan said...

This might seem a little hypocritical I know. That said, I think Ben is too young, if he is really only just 18. What I'm getting at is that young men (boys) of 18 in a normal societal situation are usually (there are exceptions I know) not in any way ready to take on starting a family. Aside from the fact that any 18 year old should be gearing up for college and planning on staying there for 4 years rather than a marriage. I understand that he wants to rescue her in a way. That is commendable, but is that his only motivation? As much as we all want to see at least one of the 19 break away (I don't count Josh as having broken away just yet), I am not sure that this Ben kid is the right path. Not to mention if Jessa really wants to be with him and JimBob does not approve, it will probably mean never being able to be with her family again. I would not be surprised if JimBob and Michelle strong hold her into calling it off with Ben, if they disapprove.

Cristina Jensen said...

I doubt ot that's a Jimbob approved courtship. Notice the hug is one of those awkward side hugs they give family and friends. Even though it doesn't look awkward but you know what I mean, it looks awkward on the show.

Chloe said...

Any courtship is a Jim Bob approved courtship. The adult kids lives are controlled by their parents. They didn't allow Jessa to get a higher education, a career and as still shares a room with all of her sisters. I doubt they would let her enter an unapproved relationship.

Chloe said...

Was Josh 's courtship announced on Today? I think most of these families only announce engagements. We'll see if they go on a morning program next week. I know we would like one of the girls to break away, but I don't think that will happen for some time. An investigation of Ben shows that he is friends with, and admires, some of the worst people in the QF movement. If he is courting Jessa it's Jim Bob approved. If Jim Bob approved, I'm not very hopeful about this courtship.

sandi said...

I suspect it's more fodder for the show,if anything.Obviously an 18 y.o. isn't ready to take on a wife and commit to having a large brood of kids right off the bat,so I suspect this whole thing will go nowhere fast.jmo.

no1 said...

Oh dear; one part of me hopeful that Jessa is "going over the wall" and will gain some independence and freedom from the J'slave train. The other part worries that this guy will be a Jim Bob junior. Either way, it will be a rough transition from the niceities that comes with money to raising a herd of kids on the income of a windshield repair guy.

Anonymous said...

It would be pretty blind, cruel, and hypocritical of JimBob and/or Michelle to "shun" a child of theirs for not following the exact same path as them. They accept Amy in their lives without claiming she is a bad influence on their more strictly raised kids. And both JimBob and Michelle took a very different religious path from their own parents without being shunned themselves and without cutting them out of their grandkids' lives. So doing so to their own kid would be senseless even in their own twisted logic. That said, sadly, I would not out it past them.

DreamsofLILA said...

I don't even know what to say about this... Congratulations to Jessa on the courtship, but my condolences to
her for having to deal with her parents.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20735445,00.html

Nancy said...

People article confirming Jessa's courtship, with all the same old, same old about sidehugs and no kissing...

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20735445,00.html

Timed perfectly to pique interest in the show tomorrow night. These people are so predictable.

DreamsofLILA said...

I don't even know what to say about this... Congratulations to Jessa on the courtship, but my condolences to
her for having to deal with her parents.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20735445,00.html

Anonymous said...

Never fear, it's been public announced by Daddy Duggar. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20735445,00.html

Cristina Jensen said...

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20735445,00.html

We'll its official they sold their news to People. And it looks like Jessa will be in those awkward courtships where they are required to not touch until they wed and then jump into a full on intimate relationship lacking all the comfort of getting to know each other truly without constantly being watched by parents and siblings. Im not saying sex is needed for the building of a successful relationship, Im sure many people do it today and wait for marriage. However the mental intimacy will be lacking. Im sure spiritually they are believing they are on the same level but there is so much more they should develop before making it to the alter. My money is also on them saying they want to procreate like JB and Michelle.

Cristina Jensen said...

From the people article,
"Dad allowed them to do a side hug when they were officially courting," Michelle, 47, explains. "Jessa and Ben have said that was the only contact they would have, when they initially greet each other, when he comes to visit for their first hello, they have a quick 30 second or less side hug and a goodbye side hug and they agreed that would be the only contact they should have."
So very controlling of them. Shame shame I don't think Jessa will be the one to make a run for the fence. I'm hoping its Joy who runs.

mom in texas said...

So it is official that Jessa is courting. I am surprised it is with a younger guy. But I am not surprised that it is with a local man. Jim Bob is not to be out done since Gil has one engagement (Erin), one courtship (Zach) and one near courtship (Alyssa)under his belt. Jim Bob and Michelle had to make sure to keep the gravy train going. Jessa and the young Ben look rather awkward together, though. Of all the girls I would have pegged her to be with a more classically handsome guy.

Nancy said...

They may decide to hold hands (yes, more handsex is entirely possible), before they are married. I think Chad/Erin are holding hands, but that's all. They allowed one frontal hug when they got engaged, but won't have another until November.

I imagine, given that Ben's family is more "fundie lite," that they'll be allowed to hold hands, although they'll still be followed around like naughty children. I wonder if Ben's sister, who lists The Hunger Games and Twilight amongst her favorite books, might be a more lax chaperone?

Patrice. said...

Here I had hope that Jessa was getting into a more normal dating relationship without her parents watching her like a hawk. I cannot imagine thinking this is ok to do to a 20 year old. She is a grown woman, yet has to share her texts and phone calls with the entire family, have dates only with a chaperone, and be "allowed" a 30 second side hug. How completely awkward, uncomfortable, and unreal. If I had tried any of that with my kids, I imagine they would be living three states away right now without a backward glance. The kids have to be SO brainwashed to allow this. One can only hope that a whole flock of them starts dating at once, so the parents can't possibly keep up with all the texts, calls and dates. At least a few will have the chance to sneak out unchaperoned. And all this due to the insane Gothard, who knows nothing about dating, marrying or child rearing. Great call, Duggar parents. Great rold model. Perhaps you could respect your kids and their choices, the ways your own parents respected your choices.

Sarah D said...

I'm still thinking Jana would be the one to buck tradition. They've sent her to Journey Of the Heart how many times now? It seems like she loses her spark, then it sneaks back in.
I hope Jessa and Ben wait a while to marry. He's way too young. Even if he is a good Christian boy.

Anonymous said...

I saw some other pictures of Ben and I think he is quite goos looking and has a nice build. That was just an awkward picture.
Erica

hello said...

I find it somewhat creepy that a twenty year old has to have her whole family involved while she is courting. I also find it odd that she had to get her parent's permission to text the guy and have her parents involved in the conversations. If Jim Bob and Michelle had any faith in how they trained/raised their kids, you would think they would trust them to make some decisions on their own. When they announce their engagement, I wonder if Jim Bob will again bring up the fact that Michelle dated boys before they met and how things went too far when they got together. Will Michelle bring up the fact that Jessa decided to wait to be married before having her first kiss and that her and Jim Bob will do the kissing for them. That was just really creepy when she said that when Josh and Anna got engaged. Jim Bob will make sure the wedding is filmed for their show.

sandi said...

This is a 20 y.o. woman,for goodness sake.So glad Dad ALLOWED her to get a side hug for a few seconds! uber ridiculous.

Londonbridges said...

There is just something so wrong about Daddy "allowing" a side hug when the official courting was announced. What gives JimBob the right to make that decision? If the parents believe they have reared their blessings properly, then what is the problem with said blessings deciding on their personal courting experience? JMHO

Judy said...

Jessa is so adorable, but the situation is not! How weird they are. I'm not sure how a courtship like this allows the couple to find out if they're compatible for the long haul and frankly, an 18 year old boy is in no position to be making a lifelong commitment anyway!

Anonymous said...

Have they ever explained how a side hug leads to giving away your heart to someone? Are they saying that if it's 30 seconds or less you are not at risk of giving your heart away but 30 seconds or more is a definite risk? ;-) Insane thinking.

I would love to know if JimBob and Michelle did anything more than a side hug when they were dating? Does anyone know if they have answered that question before?

Beth Anne said...

Re:
"I would love to know if JimBob and Michelle did anything more than a side hug when they were dating? Does anyone know if they have answered that question before?"

Yes, they kissed, which JimBob still declares as a BIG BIG sin and HUGE lack of moral behavior. Ridiculous, I know. He also continues to bring up his wife's un-Godly past, in that she had other boyfriends before him, which is BAD BAD BAD!!!! His communications on this manner make it sound like Michelle was, quite frankly, some slut or floozy, when, really, she was just a normal teenager engaged in normal, innocent teenage dating practices....you know, like holding hands with someone, going to the movies unchaperoned by your parents, actually talking in private with your boyfriend, etc....things Jessa is NOT allowed to do.

tulip said...

I find this Jessa courtship "news" rather ridiculous, and annoying! The Duggars always seem to be strategic in landing any "big anouncement" just in time to cash in. It is no surprise to me that Ben posted the pic of him & Jessa as his Facebook profile when he did, so that it could be noticed, "leaked", and subsequently create the big media brouhaha leading in to the season premiere. Ratings anyone? Ugh! And how ridiculous was that People article. Instead of something like, "Duggar girl courting!", or even "Jessa Duggar courting!", it's: "Jessa Duggar is courting Ben Seewald!"...like we all should know who Ben Seewald is? All that "texting sermons to each other" and "side hug allowed" nonsense just showcases how corny this group has really become.
So, I'm pretty sure JB married Michelle when he was 19 and she was 17, so age is not relevant to JB as long as the guy appears to be able to "make the cut"...Honestly, I continue to wonder to myself how totally awkward these couples wedding night must be. There are plenty of couples who definitely wait until their wedding night, but to not even have hugged closely or kissed? No wonder the scene is so scary when the guy finally does kiss his bride (huge dive-in, suck face, slobber...ewww) Hmmm...I guess as long as you've got a copy of Ed Wheat's paperback handy in the nightstand, what's there to fear?

Stace A. said...

If this courtship does indeed lead to marriage for Jessa & Ben, her new last name will need to be enunciated often due to the many S sounds of her first and last name combined.


Say it out loud to yourself to see what I mean, "Jessa Seewald"!! It seems awkward. I wonder if JB didn't think of that when selecting Ben.

Leigh Ann said...

I can't wait to see which girl elopes. It may be Josie in another 20 years, but it's going to happen. Although Jim Bob may relax in another 10 years, I wonder if he'll hand the courtship approval off to some of the boys.

Leah said...

Why does Jim bob always dictate how much physical contact will take place in his children's relationships? HE had to announce the kiss at Josh's wedding, HE has to allow side hugs for Jessa.. Etc. it's like they think they are the only theologically correct people on this earth, and nobody else can be trusted but them. I can't imagine how Jim Bob would react if someone tried to control him or one of his own children the way he controls everyone else.

I also can't believe how perfectly timed this "leak" was. If anyone doubts that they time these "special announcements" based on season premiers, recall josh and Anna announcing Anna's third pregnancy when she was 6 months pregnant, right before the airing of the new season. I mean it can't be more obvious than that.

Jac&Jil said...

Ben Seewald, just turned 18, owner of a windshield repair business since July 5, 2013. Wow, what a catch! I see a bright future ahead for him.

I know Jessa will be 21 in about 6 weeks, but this "courting" seems more like play dates set up by the parents because I think that is where Ben and Jessa's maturity level is at.

Ally said...

I wonder how Jana and Jill are feeling with their Bates peers getting engaged and entering courtships and their younger sister entering a courtship.

On a side note, I'm 20 and I can not imagine getting ready to get married - and especially not to an 18-year-old!

Leigh Ann said...

" but this "courting" seems more like play dates set up by the parents because I think that is where Ben and Jessa's maturity level is at."

I think they're probably acting like anyone with their first boyfriend or girlfriend. Most people just get that out of the way much earlier. These girls aren't allowed to be friends with boys so they don't really know how to act around one so when they finally get permission to court it's all a new thing for them and their inner young teen comes out. They don't have any maturity in boy/girl relationships because they've never been allowed to develop any. I don't about Ben but we know the Duggar girls aren't really allowed to even talk to boys. It's no wonder they're immature in their relationships. I don't think Jana or Jill would be any different.

Anonymous said...

Texts, emails, and phone calls are screened to be about god and family ONLY?! Brilliant! Let's make SURE these already ignorantly sheltered kids know NOTHING about each other so that it's all a COMPLETE surprise once they are "irreversibly" married. Key to happiness right there! (Lord I hope these girls their TLC $ to their names and their SS cards, because such "freedom" is the only difference left between this family and a plain cult compound. )

Anonymous said...

Jimbob and Michelle sure think THEY are above everyone when they have to watch (rather than trust) their kids' relationships a an age older than THEY were when meeting, courting, marrying, and reproducing privately and independently. What made THEM so much more trustworthy?!

flowerchild said...

I kind of wonder if all this ultra conservatism and struck courting rules aren't just for the show. They actually seem fake to me or maybe that's just me hoping.

almsw119 said...

I know this is late to the game, but I finally watched the Marcus birth episode . . . WOW . . . Clearly, they are making an in labor lady wait on her mother in law, and she then shows NO compassion in the car! Anna's face said everything when asking Josh to call her . . .

Ashley said...

"I kind of wonder if all this ultra conservatism and struck courting rules aren't just for the show. They actually seem fake to me or maybe that's just me hoping."

It's you hoping. :) I didn't grow up in Gothard-land, but in a closely related fundamental Baptist group, and their courting rules seem right on. Sad, isn't it.

PatK said...

I pity the Duggar child who is 25 or 30 years old, still living at home, and has to have Mommy and Daddy "approve" their courtship.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know WHY the Duggars always use styrofoam plates and disposable cups and flatware?? This annoys me to the extreme...they certainly spend more money in the long-run, and it is a TON of waste to end up in the landfill...

Leigh Ann said...

"Does anybody know WHY the Duggars always use styrofoam plates and disposable cups and flatware?? This annoys me to the extreme...they certainly spend more money in the long-run, and it is a TON of waste to end up in the landfill...'

I always wondered about that, too. In the past big families got along without disposable stuff. My grandmother was one of 16 kids, they got the dishes washed three times a day without two commercial dishwashers. With a good assembly line set-up they shouldn't have any problem cleaning up after each meal.

Anonymous said...

Because they believe the rapture will happen in their lifetime waaaaay before your strictly-bleeding-heart-tree-hugging-greenhaired-godless notion of "environmental consequence" ever comes through, so let's make a POINT to be as careless as possible, even if it's more of an effort, silly you!

Anonymous said...

Lol!!! Pardon me for asking about the disposable dishes, because, after all, the DUGGARS are the family to emulate....

roddma said...

I think Jim Bob was the nerd who caught the pretty cheerleader and jealous that he wasn't the first. Otherwise why would they go on about Michelle's 'sinful' past? I also think they both wished they had a courtship story to tell.
I thought it would be Jana or Jill since they are getting to the expiration date. It was a tradition in the Old Testament to marry off the elder daughters. I'm surprised the Duggars don't follow that. It is disturbing adult women and men can't make their own choices. If they keep these ridiculous standards of making the cut, it will be harder for Jana and Jill to find someone in their circles. I imagine there are slim pickings already.

Leigh Ann said...

I figured they'd be more concerned about the cost of disposable stuff. It's got to be cheaper to run the dishwasher. But I guess as long as the disposable is bought at a discount it's OK.

Patrice said...

"I thought it would be Jana or Jill since they are getting to the expiration date."
That kind of makes me wonder: Did Ben come calling and just ask to start courting any girl? And Boob ran through the list: "No, Jill and Jana have 'important jobs' that can still be shown on the show to make us some money...and Jinger is too likely to escape...cuz she wants to live in a city near Wally World. Joy is too young and we still have to subdue that yearning she has for independence...uh, Jessa seems the most dispensable right now, we'll let you court her. Under our strict rules of course, and you must agree to become a part of the dog and pony show. Yep, sign here, Ben and in a few short months, I will hand over authority to you!"

Willow said...

Yes, I also believe Jim Bob is jealous because Michelle had other "dates". I think that is PART of the reason these uber-religious males got this whole thing started. They do not want to be judged and compared on their "romantic" techniques. I have always thought that. If their women are naive, inexperienced, uneducated, always pregnant, etc., etc., they figure they won't know the difference - and some of them won't. IMO as always. They can't stand the thought of rejection or comparison.

My other thought was about a point someone else made a few days ago, regarding the fact that Jim Bob and Michelle don't seem to be worried about what their own parents think of them or want them to do. I know Grandma is the only one left, but still ... I think they guilt-trip their children into "doing it better" etc. I totally agree with the poster who mentioned that subject.

stephanie said...

That is true that Jimbob was the goober that snagged the cheerleader. He still hasn't gotten over it and in his own way he keeps Michelle in her place. The idea that she was some kind of slutty teenager is always what he implies when he talks about courtship. Michelle should put a stop to that talk and Grandma should put a stop to bashing grampa.

Seriously? said...

Yes, Michelle has always been pretty, but not exactly a bright bulb. jimBob has never been good looking (unless you consider Howdy Doody a babe), AND, like Michelle, something less than a brainiac.. The Patriarch seems compelled to "balance" this equation by spending his lifetime pointing out Michelle's teenaged moral inferiority.

JimBob and Michelle : The Dullards, 19 kids & Counting

Jen said...

"Otherwise why would they go on about Michelle's 'sinful' past?"

I think they bring up the 'sinful'past for the same reason they bring up past anger issued.

I think the reason has to do with the way Gothard teaches on how to give a testimony.
Present a problem and finally show how God solved it.

Four part testimony

http://billgothard.com/teaching/fourparttestimony

Beth Anne said...

Re: Ben Seewald, owner of a windshield repair business since July 5, 2013...

Who else thinks JimBob had a hand in orchestrating Ben's business magically opening around the time he was "screening" the young Ben as a potential suitor? If I think the very, very worst of the Duggar patriarch, I think he knows full well that people were murmuring that it was odd none of his daughters were courting or that Jessa, in particular, was a stay-at-home-daughter in the truest sense of the word, several years after having gotten her G.E.D., with no midwifery or hobby photography as her "career." JimBob, to keep the dog and pony show going, needed to get a courtship going to boost ratings, and Ben came into the picture at the right time...

...But wait! He's only 18 and has no means of supporting a family! I know, says JimBob to himself, let's get him started on a side business that we can puff up to make it seem like he's totally self-sufficient and able to support my daughter, when in reality I hold all the purse strings and will be in control of their 'allowance!' Yes, a windshield repair business, that's the ticket! (My apologies to the actual windshield repairmen out there working hard for their money)

tater tot said...

Michelle and Jimbob think they are above everybody including their own "blessings"...their words do not ring true. I used to like this family, but now its clear that they are control freaks. So sad for the children/and grown children. Its all about M and J...what they want ..what they feel..no regard for anybody else including their "blessings". IMO Michelle is childish and likes the lime light ie all the live births. Now that lime light had dimmed and who is having anger problems...Michelle. To bad she just can't be happy with the huge family she has and be happy to be a Grandmother. Sad. Sad for her children too. *break free duggars have fun get a life...YOUR PARENTS sure did..why not you? Why?

stephanie said...

I agree 100% with Beht Anne.
I just read Bens FB, started a business in July 2013 at 18 years old? Would any of you put it past Jimbob the following:
1. Jimbob owns part of the "business" by loaning the start up money and has a safety net to get his investment back if they break up?
2. Jimbob has never said how he saves money for his kids who have helped them have a successful reality tv show. I don't think he pays them for their appearances and they have 8 years of tv pay they have earned IMO. Jimbob has given Ben Jessas cut of the tv money she eanred over 8 years as a sort of Dowry with the intent they get married.
Jimbob does not give his child compensation for their tv show, it would go to the husband wouldn't it? That is why the girls tow the line, they have no choice, no money, no education to move away.
Poor Josh is just now getting away. I have started to feel sorry for Josh.I think he loves Anna. When they got married I think he loved her and wanted to physically be with her so they got married. But I think they are going to make it and Josh moiving a a great sign that he is making his own way.
The girls can't work, how would they ever get away? They are stay at home daughters. What is Jana suppose to do? What for a 26 year old virgin like David Waller? If they want a man with little romantic history, [virginal] then their options are going to be 1. Teenagers like Ben or 2. Close in age weirdos like David Waller. I would take the masculine, hot youngster in that choice.


But wow, the guy really has to have his own business? So glad Josh has a real job

Miz Kizzle said...

I think Jim Boob and Michelle have a creepy thing going where he gets turned on by making her repeat in that little girl voice every little detail of her wild and wicked ways before they started dating (hand-holding! Kissing! Bikini-clad lawn-mowing!) And then he admonishes her with Bible verses about loose women before throwing her down and they go at it like bunnies.

MandySue said...

About JimBob bringing up Michelle's past: I am ready for someone to start talking about some dirt in JimBob's past. Everyone does things we are not proud of, I would love to hear JimBob talk about his mistakes.

Stephanie said...

I want to be clear after reading my above post. I do NOT think Michelle was a slutty teenager. For goodness sakes she got married at 17 years old, what on earth would have made her skanky?
The implication of being a skank is certainly NOT kissing more than one boy. I don't even think 2nd base qualifies as skank. I think at the most maybe Michelle had a boy get to 2nd AT THE MOST!. Which is really not much in the grand scheme of sexuality. Apparantly Jimbob had never been to 1st or 2nd with anyone until he was 19 and Michelle showed him the ropes lol. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. But they ask for it talking about sex all the time.

Willow said...

Beth Anne and Stephanie: You guys hit right on what I was thinking but you said SO much better!!

Anonymous said...

100% agree. Normal male insecurity taken to obscene levels.

Dar said...

Jim Bob is no teenager, but he acts like one. All he talks about is how much fun he and Michelle have trying to make babies. It is about time he acted his age. There is talk of sex all the time and yet when his daughter is "courting", with, we'll assume,normal hormones, she and her suitor are not even allowed to hold hands. I think Jim Bob takes some perverse pleasure in controlling the sex lives of his daughters. This show is as creepy as ever.

Anonymous said...

If you raise your children correctly, one would think that you have trust in them...that means, not monitoring the texts of an adult daughter! What happened to trust?

I hope Jana gets a chance for a life...

Londonbridges said...

Agreed. I believe JimBob takes some kind of twisted pleasure in all his sex talk. As a parent of adult children, I do not discuss my sex life with them. This has always been private and will remain that way. It's like he is flaunting openly the fact that he and "sweet" wifey can have sex whenever they want. The sister-mommies even raise the younger blessings in order to provide the privacy and seclusion for such "intimate" relations. JMHO.

Nancy said...

Someone did some expert sleuthing and found Zach Bates and Whitney's registry on Target. They are apparently engaged and the wedding is set for 12/14!

So, two weddings in just over one month for the Bateses. At least Whitney is local, so they can use the same church and Whitney's family can pick up a lot of the planning details.

In other Bates news, Alyssa has a Pinterest (so does Erin, as "Elise"). She calls John her "boyfriend" and has an entire wall devoted to Kate Middleton and another devoted to both Kate's and Selena Gomez' hair. I haven't seen the picture she posted as her profile shot (with the boyfriend, getting quite chummy), so I think this is legit.

I see this girl is soooo leaving hard core fundie life in favor of something far less restrictive. Usually the ones who are loudest about their devotion (as Alyssa is) are the ones who are faking it; they just know how to say all the right things. Takes one to know one. :D

Nancy said...

Here is the link to the registry (sorry, I was on my phone before and couldn't c/p). Scroll down to Whitney Owens (her adoptive parents' name) and Zach Bates, then click on "Our Registry". On the next screen, click the Target button to view the registry.

Her Pinterest is under Whitney Bates (she had another one, but I guess she's just consolidating now. Alyssa and Erin are both being "followed" as well as some other well-known girls from the Vision Forum cult (not as strict as Gothard...some girls wear pants on occasion).

Oh, a post from Kelly was found detailing that after much prayer with Zach, along with Gil and Kelly, Whitney has been convicted to wear skirts full-time. As Alyssa appears to be going one way, Whitney is going in the opposite direction. It's a matter of time before she has to drop out of school, even if it's only community college. Too worldly, unless it's attached to a church, like Saddleback, or the school that Ben Seewald attends...or attended...I'm not sure if he's enrolled this fall or concentrating on his "windshield repair" business.

Nancy said...

All of that and I forgot the link!

http://registry.theknot.com/weddingregistrysearch?st=SearchWidget&ss=ManageRegistrySplashPage&sp=Center&lt=SearchResults&a=994&firstName=Whitney&lastName=Owens

(sorry it's so long) :(

Patrice said...

Just goes to show you how quickly people can be sucked into this stuff. Whitney "agreed" (under what kind of pressure?) to wear skirts all the time? And if she didn't agree, what would happen? The wedding would be called off? And what is this ridiculous use of the word "convicted"? I've heard the Duggars use it too. Convicted, according to the dictionary means:
con·vict
[v., adj. kuhn-vikt; n. kon-vikt] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to prove or declare guilty of an offense, especially after a legal trial: to convict a prisoner of a felony.
2.
to impress with a sense of guilt.

I guess that is pretty accurate then. Make Whitney feel guilty about wearing evil pants and she will soon see it the Gothard way! Just fill in the blank and tell people you are convicted to do this or that for your religious beliefs! It is almost as silly as using "defrauding" and "fellowshipping" and all the other Gothard-speak. This bunch gets nuttier by the day.

Patrice said...

How do you find the Bateses' Pinterest sites? Can someone post a link or explain how to find them?

Nancy said...

Here is the link to Alyssa's Pinterest.

http://www.pinterest.com/alyssabates6/

Click on the "Following" box to find Whitney's and Erin's (Elise Bates) pages.

sandi said...

Wow,Whitney sure has been inducted into the fundie hall-of-fame very quickly now,hasn't she.I imagine that's just for starters and was agreed upon prior to the courtship,and next up is her job,school,and any thought of ever using any kind of birth control at all.She's doomed to a life the Bates want her to live now.Gone are her choices.

Ty's Mom said...

I read something interesting in one of Kelly's comments on the Bates blog. Someone asked Kelly if it was awkward for Chad and Erin to hug for the first time. Kelly replied that it was sweet because "Erin asked her dad how she should hug so that it wouldn't be awkward." Who does that? My 18month old knows how to give hugs. If she doesn't know how to hug, then I really hope they'll postpone the "wedding night" lol!

Kelly also mentioned that Erin is only having 5 bridesmaids and 3 of them are her sisters so we'll see if any of the Duggar girls are in the wedding party.

Beth Anne said...

Re: A post from Kelly was found detailing that after much prayer with Zach, along with Gil and Kelly, Whitney has been convicted to wear skirts full-time....

So, only her future husband and future in-laws were part of this discussion and prayer time? What about Whitney's own parents? They appear to have raised a loving, faithful young woman without mandating a restrictive dress code upon her growing up. Yet, somehow, that's not good enough for the ATI-trained bunch. I would be seeing many red flags right now if I were Whitney's parents!!!!

Anonymous said...

Check out the Bates family's website. Zach & Whitney are engaged and planning a Dec wedding. In some of the photos they are holding hands and hugging.
Gasp! Direct physical contact!!

seriously? said...

Prayers, CONVICTED, and must-wear-skirts: these yokels have no idea what Life is about.

blessed be the dim of mind, for they shall inherit reality tv.

Patti said...

"blessed be the dim of mind, for they shall inherit reality tv."
Perfect! And as for Erin having to ask Daddy how to hug...um, ewwww!!! That has to be about the creepiest thing I have heard in a long time, on more levels than one. I just need to erase that whole scene from my mind now.

Allison said...

"Kelly also mentioned that Erin is only having 5 bridesmaids and 3 of them are her sisters so we'll see if any of the Duggar girls are in the wedding party."

Later on Kelly says that none of the Duggars are in her bridal party. I believe it's 3 sisters, a cousin and a friend, or something like that.

Faith said...

I checked out Whitney's pinterest. I guess she really likes grey/silver....
On another note, Kelly mentioned on her blog that they now spend a long time in the "getting to know you" stage before jumping into the courtship or engagement stages. My bet is this decision is based on Zack's failed previous courtship, which I think Kelly references in her explanation. Based on her explanation it seems courtship is now reserved for when they've decided that he/she is "the one." And engagement means they're ready to plan the wedding, with a rather short time-frame to plan everything out.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if this should go here, I just want to warn people about posting on the 18 kids and counting FB page. They are suspending accounts of people who post about josh working at the FRC. Myself and 3 of my friends on that page have 12 hour suspensions because we posted the GLAAD link that says what a disservice they are doing to their LGBT viewers. Just wanted to warn everyone!

Kim Prescott

Anonymous said...

Could it be possible that the short engagement period is because they dont want the bride to change her mind? Is best to secure the deal now that she's willing to quit school and wear long skirts than if they wait and she realizes that's not what she wants.

Patrice said...

It's probably a combination of that and the fact that the horndog guys can't do anything about their yearnings until the ring is safely on the finger of the bride. Then, hump happily every day for the rest of their lives making sure they enter the competition for most babies ever! yuk.

Stephanie said...

I wwas reading Kelly's blog entries looking for Whitney's Skirt conviction and could not find it. However, she answered regarding kissing. I agree that heavy make out sessions can get out of hand. But,Kelly said something like, kissing puts burden of memories in your heart forever wounding you. She refrained from saying 'guarding your heart" but that is what she meant. It's too much.

Nana Sew Dear said...

My guess is that God's timing in relation to Zack's wedding date is directly connected to the temperature of the fire in Zack's pants.

WestCoaster said...

I would think it must be so terrifying for these girls to have to go from absolutely no contact with boys, not even private conversations or actual hugging etc to being alone with your new husband on your wedding night and expected to now go from zero to 100 all in one night! I feel so bad for these girls, like Jessa, who has her text messages monitored by her parents. If she marries this Ben guy, she will not be alone with him until her wedding night, and she will be expected to know how to have intimate relationships?? It's complete madness! These poor girls, I would be terrified in their situations!

Betty said...

The thing with these couples is that many do not consummate the wedding the day they are married. Just because they can have sex doesn't mean that they all will. Interviews with them indicate that a large percentage take some time to work up to it. It's their choice.

Beth Anne said...

Re: It's their choice.

Or, is it the new husband's "choice?" That would be a big concern of mine, that, being trained up from birth to be helpmeets to their husbands and to abide by their husbands' authority, many of these new fundamentalist wives defer completely to their husbands on that wedding night. The most caring of those husbands, of course, would take their wives' fears or discomfort into consideration, but how many are actually going to stand up and say, "no, I'm not ready for this?"

Special Ed Lady said...

These young people are so sheltered. Do they know how to set a budget, balance a checkbook and all of that kind of thing? Hot summer months the electric bill is really high, might want to be prepared for that.

Jac&Jil said...

Ben Seewald posted the following on his twitter page: "Abortion: Would it bother us more if they used guns? # abort73 # AbolishHumanAbortion # defendlife # speakforthesilent"

And Jim Bob said there were no red flags about this guy? Jessa needs to be careful. He seems quite the zealot to me.

Jen said...

Youtube has full episode of recent duggar videos, farmfresh duggars and emotional good bye. They appear to be posted by talc. They cost $1.99 to watch.

Jen said...

"They appear to be posted by talc"

Should be TLC not talc. Sorry about my typo.