Free Discussion, March, 2014

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Seriously? said...

Poor Mr. Gothard! Surely his lifelong obsession with all things sexual and even his own sexual transgressions are the result of womanly seduction and sinful defraud.

IMO, whenever an individual exhibits such extremism about sex (no kiss before marriage, accusing women of defrauding men, etc) , it's often a red flag that the person has some major issues and likely not in the pink of mental health.

As for those who so eagerly follow, lemming-like, as the Duggars, it's highly unlikely these 'believers' are the brightest bulbs in the box.

Andrea said...

Wow, as reported in the Wasington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/conservative-leader-bill-gothard-on-leave-following-abuse-allegations/2014/02/28/51f1aac6-a0bb-11e3-878c-65222df220eb_story.html

I'm really surprised to see IBLP was as successful as it was and I'm also surprised to read it's now losing revenue.

Kerstin said...

Is there a Bates daughter older than 28 who isn't courting yet? I have the impression that John-David appears quite often (groomsman for Zach, Phillipines).

Londonbridges said...

Always blame the females for any sexual impropriety on the part of the males. And sadly the Duggars and Bateses will continue to drink from the Gothard jug. I would be very worried if I had daughters who worked at his headquarters or were exposed to him in any way. JMHO

Allison said...

No, all the older Bates daughters are married / engaged / courting, and not to any Duggars.

Anonymous said...

Since Mr Duggar is worth in the millions, why doesn't HE respect his mother and buy her a nice condo in Florida so she can enjoy herself? Will Michelle submit to her mother-in-law and do HER laundry when Mrs. Duggar senior can't? Wash your own skivvies, Michelle; I wish someone would ask them those questions directly and require a direct answer, something other than " we'll see what the Lord has in store". Anna absolutely "loves her life", sure because she is living in a palace compared to the rusty trailer outside of Gainesville she grew up in. My observation is that the Duggar parents view themselves as the alpha and the omega of such respect and serving. They actually are snuffing out the very lives of their own offspring in the name of keeping them pure from ANY outside influences. The unchallenged life isn't worth living. In my religious schooling days, it was taught to us, that the Lord loves those who have had challenges in their lives and have returned to Him at their own choosing; not their parents' requirements. I believe that Michelle "stopped growing and maturing" at 17; since she still speaks as a 17 year old who is taking to 5 year olds. I don't mean any disrespect, but you can't help but notice these things. Unfortunately, two words come to mind when describing the Duggar parents : unnecessarily severe. Mr. Duggar isn't a boob at all; he is a very sly fox of a man; always has been. Not very Christian in my opinion. He has the nerve being worth millions, as God has blessed him, he says, yet asks a lowly sales clerk or struggling small business owner for a " discount"! Would he have given away the farm when he was struggling selling used cars in that small house asking the church for handouts? Certainly not.. I state these opinions from their direct behavior and interviews.

Anonymous said...

Just re watching the episode where Michelle has the makeover. She is so nasty to her "best friend" saying that her straight hair looks like she just got out of the shower. I got to thinking about if one of the kids had cancer and lost their hair through chemo, would any family members shave their own heads in a show of support. This family is so obsessed about their hair!

Anonymous said...

I disagree with the rusty trailor comment. It's a fairly nice either double wide or pre-fab home. It isn't a palace, but it's far from a rusty dump falling apart.

sandi said...

I suspect they would only shave their heads if they got a tlc check for it,for an episode about it. jmo.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars seem to have two generations of their family serving them. Where are their servants' hearts in serving Grandma Duggar and the 18 kids at home? Why are Josh and Anna, who are adults in their own right and parents with their own home always at "mom & dads house" like they are still one of the "kids'? I would think that Anna has her own household and matters to take care of. If they appear in the episode, I guess they get paid, so there's the motivation for that, in my humble opinion. I recently viewed an interview with Erin Bates and Jana Duggar for a radio program. From the lookds of the girs, it wasn't too long ago. They sounded like little girls. I am astonished at the lack of emotional maturity in Erin. Never letting these young adults out alone in the world to run a simple errand at Walmart has stunted their emotional development. This way of living serves only the parents. I also recently saw the episode where one of the older Duggar sons, (John or Joseph) had his hair cut my Michelle. Jill, ( I think) commented on camera that he had been asking for a shorter hair cut for some time now. Do they have to ask permission if they want their hair shorter? That is full of red flags to me and it just plain weird... Thank you for allowing me to post my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever asked the Duggars why they continually use paper plates and not invest in a good set of restaurant plates, cutlery and glasses? They have an industrial dishwasher at home that can wash and sterilize everything in a few minutes. I think the paper plates are unnecessary and wasteful for them.

Anonymous said...

When interviewed, JimBob says he always has left the decision of "how many" to Michelle. Michelle says she leaves it up to the Lord. They have said that they are "trying" for more. That is not leaving it up to the Lord. That is manipulating your own fertility for the purpose OF conception. Jesus did say to be fruitful and multiply, which means to go preach to all nations the good news, and bring them to Christianity, not simply make more of your own. As far as abstinence after births between male and female births, that is keeping with the old law of the old testament which indicated female births make a mother more "unclean" and therefore need more time to cleanse themselves of birthing a female, which wasn't desirable at that time. If Jesus came to break the old covenant and establish the new, the Duggars are not following the teachings of Jesus, they are following the old Hebrew laws, which is a contradiction. JimBob and Michelle are full of contradictions on many things. Anyone else out there agree? I want to make it clear that I am not being disrespectful to them or ANY religious teachings, but when you go "public" with your extreme lifestyle, you open yourselves up for all comments and views.

Anonymous said...

about the "rusty trailer" Anna supposedly grew up in...there was a guest post on this blog a few years back by Joshua McDonald, Anna's brother-in-law. He explained that Mr. Keller bought the trailer so that it would be easier for him to commute to several Florida prisons, as he ministers in several different prisons. He also mentioned that the Kellers own several acres behind the trailer; there is a swimming pool and tennis court in their backyard. This image is confirmed by one of David Waller's blog posts as well. So Anna was NOT poor and she did NOT live in a dirty trailer.

Anonymous said...

I stand corrected and apologize for a misconception as to how Anna's family home appeared to me on television. The inside did seem to be rather crowded for their nuclear family.

Beth Anne said...

RE: . I recently viewed an interview with Erin Bates and Jana Duggar for a radio program....They sounded like little girls.

I saw and heard this too! I couldn't agree more. They sounded about 12, and the interviewer gave them a lot of content to simply parrot. That is, the interviewer talked at first about how she loved going to "Journey to the Heart" because it let her get away from the hustle and bustle of every day life and have quiet time with the Lord. Lo and behold, when asked why she attended, Erin parroted the same line - to have quiet time with the Lord. None of the answers either she or Jana gave were insightful, in-depth, or revealing, and it was sad to see that the most they could do was spout off some talking points they have undoubtedly heard again and again by every adult in their lives.

Hard to believe Erin is now a married woman trying to run her own household, and Jana, of course, is still a helpmeet to her mom, 8 years after graduating from homeschooling. I hope God shows them both their TRUE calling in life, not just what their parents have dictated for them.

Anonymous said...

The Kellers seem to be nice people, they are humble and seem to really love their family. I would take them any day over the fair weather grandparents JB and Michelle.

Coleen said...

Regarding the Duggar makeover episode: I don't think MD was rude, just in shock when she saw herself. She has worn her curly hairstyle for years and probably hasn't noticed that she has aged. I know that when I change my hairstyle I'm sometimes surprised(in a good way) by my reflection.

Anonymous said...

I saw the London trip the other morning on TV...Couldn't believe that Michelle showed a few seconds of actual maturity and sounded like a grown up woman annoyed with JimBob when she told him to stop speaking to/annoying the guard on the horse who must remain at attention! Shows me that that may be the "real Michelle" and that raised eyebrow, baby talk is just an act.

Dar said...

Oh,, I think the "baby talk" is such an act for television. We have seen another side to Michelle. I remember the look on her face when Anna was in Labour. Michelle is a very calculating woman. When she pays attention to the little children, they are almost surprised. I don't think she has any warmth. I do think she is a very proficient actress. Unfortunately, when the cameras go away, and they will, she is going to be one depressed and lonely lady JMHO

sandi said...

Yes,the Duggars have said they follow Old Testament laws,it's in their first book.I think they said they did it for health reasons (I don't think it's even been proven medically),such as not eating pork,circumsicion 7-8 days (I forgot which day) after birth,waiting so many days to have sex after birth and after a woman's cycle,etc.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone had the chance to read the Duggar girls' new book?

Andrea said...

Just saw on Kelly Bates' blog that Ach is running for Mayor and the Duggars are coming to town to host a fundraiser. Don't the Bates' know, the Duggars are more of a liability than a help. Gosh, hope Zach is successful, wonder who amoung the Duggars will be making the trip, undoubtly the adult daughter will have to put thier lives on hold to sign some books, oh wait, they don't actually have thier own lives.

Nancy said...

I'm reading the girls' book right now. They make a lot of presumptions about families who don't believe as they do.

It's really sugar-coated arrogance as they talk down to their tween audience. They've all drunk deeply of the kool aid and bring in Gothard's teachings every chance they can. So far, they haven't used his name, but they have mentioned ATI and IBLP when talking about the 49 character qualities, etc.

hello said...

I have no interest in reading their book as I believe everything in it has been covered during their show. But I do wonder if Jim Bob will encourage people to buy the book used and saved the difference. I highly doubt it as that would make him-i mean the girl-less money.

Anonymous said...

I think Michelle is a fake, when one of the boys fell off the stage and broke his jaw, she was filming and smiling away. They filmed dying Grandpa, that was a disgrace, and then filmed his funeral. So shameful. Anything for a buck.

tulip said...

IMO, just like with a lot of other things the Duggars have endorsed, Gothard/IBLP/ATI is the next casualty. When I look at the track record, the attention the Duggars bring to certain things/people hoping to promote them because of their "fame" has done just the opposite. Just the political campaigns alone, including Santorum for Pres., have totally tanked.
IMO, the people are really starting to take notice of the Duggar nonsense and are not quick to jump on the bandwagon just because something is put on a pedestal in the Duggar household. People are coming out of the woodwork ready to start investigating some of this stuff instead of just taking the Duggar's words at face value. It's given people the courage to stand up and say that no way should Gothard be promoted and praised. ATI's net income & profits took a huge dive after the Recovering Grace website started up, just about the same time the Duggars really started admitting their love and devotion for all things IBLP. After Josh got the job at FRC, people really started looking into FRC and realized there was hokey stuff going on there as well, which of course was either flat out denied or suggested people were taking things out of context.
My only hope is that this starts putting a stop to what I see as the Duggars sneaky, underhanded promos of their extremist, ultra-elite beliefs of living "the Christian life."

tulip said...

Re: what I posted earlier...Looks like the Duggars will be campaigning for Zach Bates. Poor Zach, I guess he just lost his chance at victory. JB & Michelle will be speaking, as well as the Duggar kids will be singing. There is a special reception afterward if one cares to spend $50 bucks for a guaranteed meet & greet/photo and book signing. Who gets the money, Zach's campaign or the Duggars? I like Zach, but what educational background has he really had to think he is fit to be a mayor (essentialy running a city/town/jurisdiction...whatever? His grammar alone makes me cringe at the thought.

tulip said...

One more for any who are interested:
http://oakridgetoday.com/2014/01/21/commissioner-bates-opposing-mayor-frank-may-republican-primary/
Basically Zach's "credentials" are that he is a county commissioner, oh, and has been on a reality TV show as well as volunteer work. But, as it appears, if the Lord puts it on their hearts to do something, the Duggars & Bates will do it (I guess actually having the appropriate education, related job experience, and general life experience is not a requirement for any resume) The county website states that one of the duties as the county mayor is chief financial officer, yet as far as I can tell, Zach has yet to provide any info. on his experience with something of that magnitude, or at all. BTW, Josh & Anna recently posted to Zach's "running for mayor" FB page asking for people to donate. Like I said, I like Zach, but am so over the Duggars & Bates thinking they can just step in and do something, so obviously using their "fame" but pretending not to.

Anonymous said...

Some of the shows about the Duggars disappoint me because they are sort of filler material. Like coming up there is going to be miniature golf I understand. I think that since the public is following the family through the years they are more interested in how and what the different family members are doing and each persons point of view. I think it is sort of un natural to have shows about the parents getting treated by all the children. Albeit they are parents of a great family and should be appreciated but rather than watching the children give them accolades, I would like to see the parents parenting the children in everyday settings.

Nancy said...

LOL, reading about the ebil interwebz, I was informed that anyone who posts anything remotely critical to the Duggars are "bitter people who gravitate toward other bitter people."

Yeah, so there's that. And we haven't even touched politics yet.

As for "courtship," it went to press before Benessa. I'm still trying to figure out what the delay on this book was; it was finished a year ago and as of yet, no updates on Jessa, only a boring rehash on Josh and Anna. *snore*

Anonymous said...

I have read the excerpts on the internet from the Duggar girls' book. It's astounding! They actually believe that spending time with a guy, even in public, one on one, will lead to sex. They are over the top. They also say that they censor their thoughts, even when alone. I'd like to know how they actually learned to do that! Is it from indoctrination camp from Mr. Gothard, or did their parents "teach' them such mind control? They fail to address specifics as usual. Their ways seem to require that young people go from "0 to 100" emotionally and sexually on their wedding day. So unbalanced..it's not funny. Young people in their society are required to go into a full adult life with absolutely NO life experience other than following direct orders from their parents. JimBob and Michelle didn't do that and they didn't turn out to be devil worshippers. I'd like to know just "how far " did they go while dating at 16 and 18 yrs old. If JB was her first car date as she revealed, I can't believe that much more than hand holding a sweaty palmed 15 yr old boy and maybe a peck on the cheek at her parents' door occurred. Anyone else agree that these girls live in their own world and are made to fear themselves actually maturing?

Londonbridges said...

I think that Michelle is cold and calculating, too. She is camera savvy and knows exactly how to portray herself. That look when Anna was in labour was absolutely cold and perhaps angry. After all, Anna was the central person at that time, not Michelle. The more time that passes and Michelle doesn't get pregnant will be much more difficult for the sweet baby-talking matriarch to deal with. JMHO.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe the girls "wrote the book" at all. I do believe that they mechanically did the typing for it, with every word dictated by JB and Michelle. Only a fool would believe the girls are the authors since their parents don't let them make a trip to WalMart for deodorant by themselves. Why would they allow their children to write a book that they didn't critique and approve every word of. I also believe that if asked to explain those platitudes they live by, not a one of those kids would be able to. My favorite one is "righteously fulfilled".The Duggar parents do NOT live their lives modestly at all. Tracking menstrual cycles by your children, talking about your sex life on TV, etc is much more immodest than wearing a nice pair of slacks or a short sleeve blouse.

tulip said...

Well, apparently Michelle is endorsing Zach's "abilities" as mayor by letting everybody know since he grew up in a large family, he knows how to stretch a dollar. And this equates to having the knowledge and background to be the chief financial officer for an entire county? Oh wow, what next? Now I see how they would genuinely believe their own son is fit to perform as the executive director of an organization with absolutely no college degree to show. I'd like to see what Josh actually does have hanging on the walls of his office in place of what any other executive director of anything would, or shall I say should have, that piece of paper commonly known as 'diploma".

Anonymous said...

I only needed a few excerpts on the internet from this so called book the girls "wrote" to see that those poor young ladies are scared to death.... of everything. Shame on their parents for that one, too. Dating can be a nice experience.. it absolutely doesn't have to include sex, many mainstream people agree with that concept too. Nothing wrong in waiting for marriage,yet these parents deny their own children that happy growing up time in their children's lives that they themselves enjoyed. The anxiety that the girls experience is from pent-up human nature to develop themselves in their own responsible adult selves.On the professional front, their worklives, one thing comes to mind to describe it in a nutshell...complete untapped potential.. again, shame on you, parents. They let their daughters, " dally" in something to keep them busy until their husbands come a callin'... with no real hope of ever fulfilling their potential Why can't Jill become an OB/GYN? or at least a PA in a gyn's office? It's never going to happen. Just my opinion. I'd love to hear from others on this...

Beth Anne said...

Re: (the girls' book) make a lot of presumptions about families who don't believe as they do.

This has ALWAYS bothered me about the show and their family dynamics in general. I, too, read a short bit of the book that was posted online, and they have this weird way of trying to sound 'encouraging' while really coming across as insulting. The girls/ghostwriter/JimBob and Michelle were talking about comparing their appearances to others and feeling less pretty, less well-dressed, etc., but the girls start the whole thing off by saying "You would think since we are homeschooled, don't watch TV, and don't read secular books that we'd be immune to feeling insecure about our looks."

To me, it struck me like, hey, we KNOW we have a holier lifestyle than you, and can you believe that even us, who don't live the trashy lives that you do, still feel insecure about our looks???

Apparently, the girls also parrot Jim Bob's criticisms of Grandpa Duggar's life, i.e., he didn't go to church and made financial mistakes when raising his family. I think this is highly disrespectful, as he is not here to defend himself, and they weren't there when JimBob was young, so they are seeing their grandpa's parenting faults through their dad's eyes. Again, insulting...

Anonymous said...

Re: their opinion of criticism of their family and being bitter:I am not a bitter person at all. I am grateful to God for the good people and things in my life. I am also of a mainstream Christian faith; always have been. This family does NOT represent me at all. I feel very sorry for these kids because most of them are too old to turn the tide and are beyond seeing anyone else's viewpoint. It's their way or the highway.. to 'you know where' in a hand basket. Pack some sunscreen!

Anonymous said...

Years ago, when the older Duggars were all under 18, this was cute. However, the more I learn, the more cultish they seem. I feel for the Duggar children (adult and otherwise). It is not normal to keep 20 something year olds at home to take care of siblings. All the older Duggar girls are beautiful and I'm sure would do well in college or learning a trade.
I would love to see a show similar to "Breaking Amish" except it should be "Breaking Duggar" Run Jana,run!

emm said...

Ok...it really bothers me the way everyone in the family seems to criticize grandpa Duggar. Everyone makes mistakes but deserves forgiveness. That's in the Bible but in my opinion the Duggars just pick which parts of the good book they like to follow! Doesn't this also fall under "honor thy mother and father?" And Jim Bob if the worst thing your parents ever did was mismanage money/struggle financially ans not attend church you are a very blesssed child whether he thinks so or not. So many children live through the horror of abuse. And the grandchildren now criticizing their grandfather? So wrong on so many levels! Just my opinion!

Allison said...

I couldn't believe that Jessa is not even hand-holding with Ben. At least Josh and Anna did that, and you can see that the Bates kids are much more physically close. More hugs, some frontal hugs when engaged. Kelly even mentioned that in Zach's first relationship it was not as close and comfortable, and that she's noticed that in other fundie relationships too. I just think the fact Jessa and Ben are basically not touching is so weird. I wonder what happened in Josh and Anna's relationship to make them take such a huge step backwards!

Coleen said...

To see the Erin Bates/Jana Duggar interview:
http://livingthejourney.com/2013/10/27/journey-interview-with-erin-bates-and-jana-duggar/

Anonymous said...

Josh and Anna didn't hold hands until they were engaged.

Anonymous said...

What does grandma Duggar think of the disrespectful way her husband is portrayed by her son and granddaughters? I agree that JimBob didn't have it so bad growing up. Grandma should get out of the laundry room, pack her suitcase, hit the road, and get some enjoyment out of life. Why does she put up with this nonsense?

Londonbridges said...

It bothers me too when JimBob is so critical regarding his father. The Duggars pick and choose what parts of the Bible they follow. Honouring one's father and mother should happen both in life and death. It is so disrespectful to throw Grandpa Duggar to the curb. He may have "messed" up in some areas of his life, but as someone else said, he could have been abusive, violent, etc.

One day JimBob will be deceased. I wonder what his blessings will say about their dad? JMHO.

Anonymous said...

Three cheers for "Breaking Duggar"! Maybe Josh can loosen the noose a bit and get real since he is living away. I really hope so, but I think Anna would be hard to convince. I saw the rerun episode of Josh & JB's health tests and the doc warned Josh about his health in 10 yrs. Anna was a panic in their later interview about that and she said, NO, NO, Josh CAN'T have health problems in 10 yrs.. that would be 5 more kids from now. Of course, she would be totally unable to take care of herself and the kids if anything happened to him and totally unconfident to do so on her own. Of course, I wish Josh and his family good health and a long, happy life. From the style in which the girls "wrote" the book, they portrayed themselves as condescending, Christian snobs. I think they lost a lot of fans and the admiration of their viewers with their book. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Re: the mind controlling techniques of the girls:

That is a total red flag to me. Wouldn't that technique come in handy if any of then were taken advantage of while at that Journey to the Heart and alone with a male in charge there? Who knows what else those girls "filter out" that would be considered abuse? That keeps the guilty able to continue. I'm not accusing any male or their parents of these acts, but you just can't help but suspect that it adds up. Anyone else agree?

Anonymous said...

I would like to know more about what kind of landlord JB is? Does he show Christian compassion when it's time to negotiate leases with tenants and rent collection times? Does he only rent to Christian friends with Christian approved lines of work? Would he rent a space to a non Christian or one with a different degree of belief? I'd like to hear from his tenants on that one. How does he conduct himself in business? The parents need to do a live interview with a host willing to ask the hard questions and require actual answers with specifics when follow up questions are given to them. Let's see how well they can dance live on TV.

I would also like to hear from the older boys. Do they also have a mind control training technique to filter out normal sexual thoughts? I'm tired of the girls and want to hear from the guys... and really answer the questions. Does anyone else out there want to hear from the guys too?

Anonymous said...

Josh and Anna regularly had "hand sex" after becoming engaged. I found this revolting as they massaged and squeezed each other's hands, while staring longingly into each other's eyes.

Anonymous said...

If any of the Duggar daughters were harmed in any way by that awful guy, you would think JimBob would WANT them to answer questions from female law enforcement officers with a female court reporter present and alone with them. If they had been harmed, he should round up a few of the brothers and pay that jerk a visit... an eye for an eye!! If he suppresses that opportunity and ignores harm done to the girls, he is worthless as a parent. I would think Michelle would want it more, being a female herself. I hope for the best in that situation... We'll see what happens.

Anonymous said...

Why can't the Duggar parents drive their daughters to meet their date in a public place, like HER favorite ice cream shop and give them some time one on one, alone yet in public view. The poor girl can call them to pick her up when their "date is over"?

Nancy said...

Wow, the Gothard news is huge! Even more ironic, David Waller wrote the letter to the ATI/IBLP members announcing Gothard's resignation.

I worry for Jana, because her involvement with the Journey to the Heart is even more than we knew of either on TV, or by following IBLP's website. She spent a lot of one-on-one time alone with that pervert as part of her "training" as a team leader. Even the "regular" attendees spend an allotment of time with Gothard before they head to the Northwoods camp.

I also worry for Priscilla Keller-Waller, as she was a long-time employee at Headquarters before she married David. Both Jana and Pris are Gothard's "type:" pretty, slender, long(ish) blond, wavy hair.

Jana has seemed particularly sad of late and says in the book that she's pretty much doing the doula thing for Jill (ie. to be her accountability buddy), rather than something God has "called" her to do. I hope that Gothard didn't get to her.

And for all the young women who had the courage to come forward, I hope their families don't label them as immodest Jezebels (why do you think they wear all those clothes in the first place?), but rather listen to these young women and really HEAR what Gothard did to them, in spite of every appearance of feminine modesty.

It looks as if the entire dress code for women is nothing more than Gothard's fetishes, all rolled up into one, including the flip flops which can give him easier access to play footsie.

As for the book: it's holier-than-thou "ministry" for younger girls (tweens to younger teens). They do nothing more than spout the crap they've been indoctrinated to hear their entire lives as God's truth.

MandySue said...

First of all- I just read Kelly's post about Zach running for mayor. Will someone please help her with punctuation?

David Waller sent out a letter Thursday saying Gothard resigned. This is not the end of him. I hope I am wrong though.

I would love to hear the Duggars or Bates take on this.

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2014/03/bill-gothard-resigns-from-iblp-presidency/

glass dishes said...

Jimbob should be ashamed of himself for saying mean things about his Dad (way to go jimboob wait til your father is six feet down)..his dad had enough sense to have only 2 kids and it seems like Jimbob was taken care of the right way as a kid. Poor Mary having to listen to Jboobs drivel. While she slaves away in the laundry room...i dont know why her daughter doesnt have her live with her. She is in her seventys ..the duggars think of themselves only...jimboob and michelle want and do what they want ....no regard to anybody else despite the way the spin every thing like they are soo right. LET YOUR KIDS..GROWN KIDS HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE OF DUGGARLAND. JMHO

sandi said...

Jim Bob was even able to go to private school,something a lot of kids don't get to do.He should be thankful to his father for that opportunity.

Willow said...

I am worried for Priscilla Waller as well (did anyone see the little video where she was gushing about waiting for her hubby to come home each day)? Anyway, now that I realize how high David is at HQ, I am even more worried for her. I am worried for Jana too and have been for awhile. I think Jana's parents would be too busy/blinded/afraid, whatever, to even notice if she was worried about something. Hope this made sense.

Willow said...

I would also love to hear from the Duggars, Bates, Kellers or Wallers on this issue. But, really, you guys, what can they say? They are so famous for being in this "group", how could they handle it? I wish they would say something, but I don't think they ever will. I think everyone is just going to go on as usual without Mr. Gothard. After all, the main deal is the money; make no mistake about that. Sad for the kids.

Beth Anne said...

Re: his dad had enough sense to have only 2 kids

There is a theory floating around that I think has some merit, that Grandpa Duggar was vocal in expressing his concern with JimBob's choice of becoming an ATI/Quiverful type of guy. Grandpa likely told JimBob more than once that he wasn't keen on he and Michelle having so many kids while crammed into a tiny house (before TLC came knocking and made them wealthy) and probably expressed other concerns about the teachings, lifestyle, etc. I'm thinking JimBob did not take the criticism well, and some of this "venting" is a result of him still being upset that his Dad questioned the way he was raising his family.

The irony, of course, is that Grandpa saw things for what they were. May he be resting in Eternal peace.

Anonymous said...

I'm sick of the way the Duggars pick and choose things from the Old Testament and the New. Jesus instructed his followers, to abandon the old teachings and follow the new, ie,Him. They are contradicting theselves with this over and over.

1. They don't eat pork ( health reasons), baloney. The old law forbade eating pork. Since it's the "other lean meat" fresh porkchops, roasts, etc are much more healthy than that cheap-fat-laden ground beef they use in the tater tot casserole.

2. The Hebrews were commanded to never shave their sideburns or shave their beards; only trim when sparing necessary to never be confused or identified as being one of the Romans or other pagans. The Orthodox Hasidic Jewish sect still follows those commands today.

3. Having said that, why do the Duggar guys shave their sideburns and shave their beards? They biblically are identifying themselves as pagans. If they want to get back to basics, see how far back in history you can go? Back then everyone wore robes...so why do the guys wear pants and "flaunt their male body parts "down there' in the outline of their pants? Once again, they are full of contradictions...

Hey Michelle, everyone knows that when a woman ages, most of us look better with our hair shorter. It de-emphasizes the lines and dropping of our faces. Your hair sucks. You looked so much younger after your makeover. Your friend should have taken off many more inches..JMHO

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, Michelle is full of warped rationalizing and plain crap. Since her theory and whole lifestyle shift was based on that early miscarriage of "poor ol' Caleb", how does she explain the recent miscarriage that she had? She obviously wasn't on birth control. How does she explain Anna's earlier miscarriage? She wasn't on BC either..Could Michelle actually have been mistaken?

After Mich's first miscarriage, she then gave birth to fraternal twins, Jana and John-David. An emotionally balanced woman would have been grateful for two babies and viewed it at God giving her the child she lost back to her..Anyone else agree that that would have been a healthy attitude and a possibility? She never recovered from that one.Sad.

Anonymous said...

Whenever the Duggars spunge off, err, I mean seek the help of someone whether it be "Spanish lessons" or handy work, they always identify the person who shows up as " a friend". Don't they ever PAY for any assistance? Just who are these friends? Likeminded people just like themselves? How many friends do they have locally? Their children certainly have no friends and have no relationships with anyone other than their own siblings. Jill's so-called pregnant 14 year old " friend" is just a crock of bull.

Anonymous said...

Shame on JB & Michelle for exploiting JB's parents in "both worlds". Why does Grandma Duggar put up with this? She clearly didn't live this kind of lifestyle, even worked outside the home,(oh my!, what a sin). Let's hear from her on putting her husband down and why she works her butt off for her daughter-in-law. She owns her own home, the home Josh rented with Anna! Call the movers, asap, Mrs. Duggar Sr and enjoy your life!

Betty said...

It bothers me that Jim Bob talks about his father in a manner that he'd punish even his adult children for using about him.

Dar said...

I agree with the poster who said that his father did not agree with JimBob and Michelle's life choices and was vocal in his disagreement. IMHO that is why JimBob is soooo critical. What a mean-spirited, spiteful and small little man he is. I wonder if his father were alive would he have the nerve. His father did his best for his children I am sure. I don't think Mr. Duggar Senior would tolerate his 70 something wife working sans compensation as a scrub woman for JimBob and his brood. I wonder just who controls her money and if she has any choice as to where she can afford to live, etc. JimBob's father did not have 19 children working for him. I would really like to know how much an episode they receive and just how it is distributed. These young people cannot afford to get higher education. I don't think they could go to a private school as did their father. Sometime in the future one of his children may come looking for money and question his handing of all that cash for which they all worked. I certainly hope that will happen.

sandi said...

Anonymous,I've always thought the same thing,that they were blessed with another,plus the one they lost.I would have been satisfied with that.
As for Jim Bob and his father,I wonder if one of the reasons he got into ATI in the first place,was to try and prove himself a better (stricter) father than his dad was,be being legalistic.I just sense there was some competition there between him and his dad,and he used the ati ways to try and make himself out to be a better father and husband than his dad.jmo.

sandi said...

The long hair is per ati rules,I beleive.I think the thinking there is that long hair is more biblical/virtuous/holy for a woman,and short hair is more mod and is a style only a working,worldly woman would choose.I'm guessing, but I suspect that is the thinking.
The thing is,now that Gothard has been suspended,it's come out that that's the way he prefers young ladies he likes to dress and to wear their hair.So the rules were really made just to suit his preferences,it appears.

Anonymous said...

I forgot Grandma owned Josh's old house, why doesn't she move in there? Perfect for her, privacy and peace and quiet. So sad a woman her age is stuck doing their wash. That MIchelle is a sly fox, getting everyone to do all the work around the house. Put down the treadmill and take care of your kids.

Anonymous said...

JimBob is NOT honoring his father with his attitude about him and the things he said about the man. I think he is a spoiled brat. His father might have been a wiser man than JB gave him credit for. He would never allow one syllable like that uttered about him from his kids. Someone should tell him directly so, in front of Mich and all the kids, on camera. Hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

Jana seems to be a disappointed, broken- spirited person with no real hope for happiness. I wonder if she realizes that? The other "older girls" perform well like a trained circus act on the show, always happy and smiley. They may actually be worse off inside than Jana. Those kids have a know it all, yet know nothing dad, and a prima donna control freak, lazy mother. Heaven help them.

Is anyone else of the opinion that cousin Amy is an idiot? I was stunned to read that she is a 28 year old woman.She has no real job or training for anything and is milking her TLC appearances for all she could get. Why did she and Anna go shopping and prepare for Queen Michelle's birthday? She isn't their mother.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Grandma Duggar worked at the yogurt shop to pay for JimBob's ass to go to private school. What an ungrateful jerk he is. JMHO

Anonymous said...

Has JimBob ever been present when his children are being born? At least Josh has been present..I think.

I feel sorry for Josh or Anna when one of them wakes up, uh, or grows up. It's bound to happen sooner or later, long after TLC's cameras are gone. I'd like to see a TV special on that one.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Grandma Duggar has ever slapped her son and told him to mind his attitude. She should do it now. After all, she's HIS mother and he should be serving her. You, to, Queen Michelle.

I'd like to know something about the Ruark side (hers). To my knowledge Michelle has never mentioned her mother.

Why did she wear her mother IN LAW'S wedding dress. Did her parents really agree for her to marry at 17 or did they just want to get rid of their spoiled, willful little girl? It seems in an earlier interview with one of her sisters, she was described as such. The more she was told to not do something, the more she did it. She' a spoiled brat too.

Jessica said...

I sometimes look at the Maxwell family blog (another christian family) and they are promoting a book that tells young men how to buy a house debt-free. Even Jim-Bob is endorsing it. The biggest thing I have against the Duggars and similar families is that a woman MUST depend on a man for everything. Even in the book description, it said "girls can use the skills to help their husband's business if they get married". They also have a book called: "Preparing sons to provide for a single income family". ugh

I saw comments about Erin's house pictures and I was surprised when I saw her bedroom. It looks so childish..

Wampascat said...

Do you remember when they went to one of their ATI conferences years ago and broke down? The first person Jim Bob called was his Dad to come help and he showed up right away. Yeah, that sounds like a horrible father. That's opposed to Jim Bob and Michelle who have severely emotionally stunted their children and caused problems that will follow them throughout their entire lives. All of this bad mouthing is Jim Bob's way of getting back at his Dad for stating on camera that he thought they should stop having children. I'm really surprised he hasn't gone off on Michelle's parents for allowing her to dress in cut off's and bikinis. I wonder if Michelle would just smile adoringly if that happened? She has stated how much she loved her parents.

sandi said...

This is all from their first book.
Grandma Duggar owned the yogurt shop,that is why she hired Michelle,at Jim Bob's request,when she came in to apply for a job.
Michelle's parents were moving out of state to NC,and Jim Bob asked her father for permission to marry her before they left.Her mother urged him to give him the ok to marry her,which he did.I got the feeling she might have
anticipated feeling bad for them, if moving had broken them up.
Michelle's mother died many yrs ago.I'm not sure if they even had kids then.If they did,I don't think it was very many.
Her father died later;he is shown briefly on the show.I don't recall which season.
Hopefully Jim Bob was always respectful of them.I do think he is the one who got Michelle to quit cheerleading though,as she said she quit because she came to believe it was sinful.All I can say is,if that had been my daughter,I would have had quite a word to say to Jim Bob.JMO.



Jac&Jil said...

Regarding the Maxwell blog and the book they are promoting about how young men can buy a house debt free. Can't a woman buy a house debt free or with a mortgage? Sounds pretty sexist to me. Can't believe how many women buy into "male only" crap.

Coleen said...

Years ago I read that Michelle had a gay sister. I always wondered if she allowed her kids to meet her. Well, I guess she did. Josh did an interview about her. Not surprisingly, he believes being gay is a choice. (http://www.crushable.com/2013/08/19/entertainment/josh-duggar-lesbian-aunt-no-gay-marraige/)On a sadder note, Michelle had a sister who passed away. (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithgoespop/2013/06/michelle-duggars-sister-kathie-died-will-we-see-it-on-the-show/)I wonder why this wasn't mentioned on 19 kids, they show everything else.

Willow said...

The Duggars are lined up in the hallway to be on Fox News here in a minute. I can't believe Josh and Anna and their 3 kids have to be with them. They say they are there to promote the girls' new book. WHAT do J&A have to do with that? I think I am going to lose it big time. They make me so sick!! It has gone way past tolerable to me now. Ick!!!

Willow said...

O.K. I have to continue. When the host asked the girls about what the book was for (basically), Jana and Jill just literally babbled something about "what we've learned" Really? Jinger was a little more with it, talking about prison ministries. She was way more composed. Jessa was beaming about courtship rules etc. My question - WHY couldn't just the 4 girls have gone on? They know the line by now. The parents could have trusted them. The others could have waited back stage. It was sickening (to me). Sorry. Oh, and I so agree about Grandma D. They would never let her live alone, however. They probably guilt her. I wish her daughter could step in. Also, remember when JB's dad drove one of the motor homes and helped when they went on a vacation in one of the old specials? He was right in there helping and he was no spring chicken then. JB obviously was not too mad at him to accept his help. Grrr.

Willow said...

Oh yeah, I forgot to add something. There was an extra girl/young lady with them, holding a baby. Did they finally break down and hire a nanny? Doubt it. Maybe J&A's nanny? Interesting. I didn't recognize her. Thanks for letting me vent!!Have a great day!!!

annoyed with the duggars said...

I wonder if Josh still has the DC job. He takes off for everything. He also saw Ben Carson speak. I wonder if he even knows who he is.

Anonymous said...

That was misses query a dear duggar friend.

MamiaS said...

Interesting. I was watching the video from the Huffington Post Live show and when the journalist asks about how many of you have been through the courtship process the little girls blurted out like four times and Jill. Could this mean that Jill is in a courtship. No one picked up on it or acknowledge what they said.

Seriously? said...

In their youth, Jim Bob and Michelle had a life that included more than just piety and religiosity, did not court, and had premarital physical contact, yet now consider themselves pillars of god, so what's the prob allowing their kids to have the same growth and developmental steps? No harm, no foul. The whole Duggar preoccupation with sex is just plain ignorant.

MandySue said...

I think it is odd that these people who are so vocal about so many things are quiet about Gothard.

I asked on all their blogs (except the Bates') about it and surprislingly (NOT) have not received an answer.

I really do not think they can form their own opinion and someone must tell them what to say.

The Fox news show this morning would have been a perfect time to bring it up but as usual it was all sunshine and rainbows.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are getting careless. They are slipping up about the really extreme/Christian elitist style and beliefs that they have. The general public does not like that as their attitudes are that the rest of us are going to hell and they are not. What are the children trying to prove in their "chaste relationships", that they're better than the rest of us? They're heading for a big fall, JMHO

sandi said...

The whole family gets paraded out anytime there's an announcement.It's all for show.jmo.

Coleen said...

I just saw the Fox new interview online (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/03/10/1-kids-and-counting-stars-wont-kiss-until-marriage/) and I'm wondering if the mystery girl holding Josie might be a foster child.

Anonymous said...

A previous post stated Josh & Anna are still one of the kids. Why do they have to tag along with their parents? They are adults in their own right. Ridiculuous. Stay home and dust the furniture, Anna. Don't you have a JOB to tend to, Josh? Jim Bob squeezes the penny until it bleeds. They are all about promoting the $ in the book. If he was such a financial success before TLC came along, why do they accept pay for their program and donate their efforts in being filmed. It doesn't cost THEM a dime to be on TV..They'd still be in that little house broke and asking begging their church for donations, as it was described on another post. Go home, Josh and Anna and live like the grown ups you claim to be. You are still nothing but children playing house. Go home, JimBob and Michelle and allow your grown up daughters to be just that. You walk about town like one large 38 legged creature; drawing attention to yourselves; certainly not MODEST in my opinion at all.

Miz Kizzle said...

A single young man can buy a house and he's praised for being financially savvy. If a single young woman buys a house then she's probably fixing to have sex in it. Sexy, premarital sex. Because women are a bunch of whores. So say the Duggars.

Faith said...

"annoyed with the duggars said...
I wonder if Josh still has the DC job."
Yes, he still works for FRC. He has guest hosted the past few Fridays on the radio program. He must get a lot of time off.

Kelly V said...

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/duggar-family/5307c2082b8c2a05b500042a

This interview is a half hour, but I have to give the interviewer some credit. She went off script and asked a little more probing type questions than what they usually get.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars were on TV recently promoting the "book". Michelle said that the girls set the rules for the hands off courtship stuff. I don't believe that at all. They are required to do everything their parents' way or it's dire consequences. In a previous interview on 19K&C, Michelle was asked if their kids were to think differently than they do on things would that be ok? She said that if they did, it would be "THEIR LOSS". No mention that they would accept their decisions to do so and love them anyway...Her tone of voice was not sweet baby talk either when she said that. Easy to tell that none of them has a choice in anything. Awful.

tulip said...

The girl holding Josie in the Fox news piece is not a mystery, I believe she is just Heidi Query who is a good friend of the Duggars (Querys). She was also with them during the HuffPost Live interview where she was holding Josie there as well.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, the Duggars are in New York City? How can those boys walk around without black out glasses so as to not be defrauded from the world?

A picture of them lined up at Rockefeller Center shows that they are freezing..The girls have NO socks on, and inappropriate shoes for such cold weather. Shame on you, Michelle... they need socks and boots in the cold. You failed again in "Mom101".

Anonymous said...

I would like to know just exactly what are the family consequences that any of their children would face if they were to choose a different lifestyle; ie, work outside the home in a real job and date instead of court, etc..? Answer that one, King JimBob. Oh, we know that they don't have a choice: it's vanilla or vanilla. No choice at all..

Seriously? said...

IMO, the newest Duggarette tome title, "Growing Up Duggar" is hilarious because none of these people EVER truly grow up, but, instead, are purposely kept educationally, emotionally, and spiritually on the development level of children. Chronology is not the only component of achieving adulthood - maturity, wisdom, and critical thinking skills are necessary to earn the rank of adult, and the Duggars and their Quiverful ilk simply do not measure up in the adult world.

Anonymous said...

I checked the Duggar website and saw the Recommended Resources on the bottom of the first page has been revised. There is nothing about the Basic Seminar, Financial Freedom, or Goddard.

MandySue said...

I just out a comment on the Bates' blog asking what they think of Bill Gothard.

I'm wondering how it will take for them to pull it down.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Josh, John-David or Joseph actually have any type of one on one relationship with any of their 4 older-girl sisters? Doubt it.

Shame on you, parents for creating your daughters to be absolutely dependent on a father/husband throughout their lives. You are robbing them of their own self esteem/selfworth. What if the girls' marriages don't work out or last? What if one of them in abused in any way or they are widowed? I wish them the best in life, of course, but the girls are not prepared at all for either of those possible events.

Last time I checked, the only infallible being was the Almighty God. He and He only makes no mistakes. JimBob is NOT that entity. What if Daddy dearest makes a mistake in picking out his daughters' husbands? He might flub up just as much as if the girls chose themselves? I guess he believes he is so perfectly guided by God that he can't make a mistake... So NOT modest.

What, Michelle has " me time", personal exercise/ date night? If you wanted those things you should not have had so many children. A mother doesn't have much "me time", as our children always come first.

IMHO, they are sinning against the "thou shalt not kill commandment...they are suffocating the life out of their very own children through control, absolute 24/7/365 control. Answer to God for that, Duggar parents..

I, myself, had a mother who wanted to protect me from making any mistakes in life, marriage etc. Not to the Duggars' degree, but I could not grow during my teen years and as a young woman much. When a guy came calling, I married quickly with no experience (albeit ANY dating experience). It was NOT a good thing. The Duggars are not doing any of their children a favor in their extreme attitude.

Anonymous said...

Traditional dating does NOT mean premarital sex or promiscuity. JB and Michelle proved that themselves. Obedience is doing what you have to, morality is doing what you ought to EVEN WHEN NO ONE IS WATCHING. The Duggars have a problem with morality.
Why is Jill doing all the talking? I'm tired of hearing from her. She is a giggling little girl, as the others are too. They use big words, because their parents use those words, but when called to actually explain what they said, they can't.
I really home MOST of them break away together and form a healthy balanced life, which can certainly include God and a real church attendance.

I wonder if Josh is seeing the real world and how hard it really is to make ends meet? I hope he looks at this financial life and takes out the TLC pay that he, Anna, and the kids receive and notices what life would bee like without that income? For certainly one day, the cameras and the checks they bring will go away. How will HE support such a brood?

When your children are already born, certainly you love them and do the best you can for them. It is a travesty to continue to call children to this life and have them get lost in the crowd. It is inevitable. As Michelle stated in an early episode, Mom can't be everywhere at once. She certainly can't take care of those children herself. Since JB is a stay at home dad, where is he in this? Michelle seldom has any children on her lap or at HER knee when on TV.. the Jslaves are toting the babies..So obvious, you a lazy mom.

Anonymous said...

Disgraceful! I saw the Huffington interview video. TRAINING for instant compliance? What are those kids, trained circus seals? I can't believe it! Girls, you sound absolutely brainwashed and controlled, because you ARE. I bet JB and Michelle are the strictest, most cold parents on the planet. I saw her sharp demeanor in an interview on 19K&C when asked if any of her kids would choose differently, how she would handle it. What a witch! As a mother myself of grown sons, someone should train her up like that and see how she likes it. By the way, my sons aren't heathens, or criminals or sexually promiscuous. I brought them up with love, support and conversation and God.

Anonymous said...

Considering JB& Michelle's opinion of all TV, being from the devil and so ungodly, including religious channels, PBS and other informative documentary stations, they are on television themselves!! They're ok with taking money from the devil. They are hypocrites. I hope that they sneak into the dark closet when all of their blessings are asleep in their dormitories, actually read these sites written about them and know how they are thought about.. it's not all woooonnnderfulll. Michelle's facial expressions at times have revealed her to be a stern bitch of a disciplinarian. The camera doesn't lie.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars' encouragement for others to adopt their way of living is utterly ridiculous. It doesn't work in the real world. Not everyone lives in rural America where space is aplenty. They are in NYC where space is a premium ($).What do they think when they drive past the apartment buildings? How can a family have 10-20 kids in a 2 bedroom 4th floor walkup? Respond to that JB.

God gives us children to GROW UP/ not just age/ so we can live out our lives making choices and learning from the choices we make. He doesn't give us children to shelter them from making those choices. The Duggar children have never made a choice of their own.
Those poor older sons are so painfully shy and inarticulate. How can they supportm, lead and defend their own families one day without any life experience that daddy doesn't decide for them?

Pardon me, but Josh always has been a big mouth, he's the exception to the norm there. Maybe he has learned a few things since he married.

Anonymous said...

I watched their interview on Fox? TV, the other day. The female host had the 'nerve' to wear a shorter dress and black lines stockings ABOVE HER KNEE while in the pristine presence of the Duggars! NIKE!!!! How were the boys & JB supposed to look at her when she was speaking to them? They are so unreal and obsessed with sex, it's not funny. By the way, the host looked beautiful. Shame in you, Duggars, not her.

Anonymous said...

Do the female interviewer/hosts of these television programs, who the Duggars say "GOOOOD MOORRNNIIING" to, realize that that family thinks of them as hell-bound heathens because they are working outside the home and not in the kitchen taking care of their kids? They smile sweetly, all the while holding that awful belief about those hard working women. Address that Duggars.

Anonymous said...

I see and hear the Duggars getting political yet again. Isn't the publicity their family receives about their daily lives enough any more? Jim Bob, don't make political statements. Your political opinions are obvious in the life you lead.

Anonymous said...

In the Duggar belief system all women should stay home and take care of the house/husband/kids. Yet they are the first to accept the medical help from female nurses when THEY need it. Where would they be without those dedicated female nurses in our country? In their system, what, only males can work outside and be nurses? How could that be? How could a male health professional help Michelle to the bathroom if she were in the hospital or change her dressings from childbirth or surgery? NIKE!!! Once again, another example of contradictions which prove their lifestyle is full of crap. Read this, Momma and Daddy Duggar. Explain your position. Please!

Anonymous said...

In recent TV interviews it is seen that the Duggars are toting along a friend, or unpaid nanny. Obviously the older girls are busy being interviewed for their book. Proof right there that JB AND Michelle together can't take care of their own younger kids and couldn't do it to save their lives. Their goes your "the girls help out theory", they do it all. Terrible parents.

sandi said...

Their attitudes remind me of the 1970's,way back when,when the ultra-conservatives highly critisized new tv shows,like Mary Tyler Moore,and That Girl. (no wonder Jim Bob didn't want his family to watch tv,huh).Like,how dare a woman be off on her own,without family or a husband to watch over her and make sure she doesn't stray into worldly ways? Much less have a career and money to spend,however she sees fit.The nerve! Of course nowadays,most ppl laugh at that attitude,as it's usually necessary to support oneself,or help out in a marriage,moneywise.Except for fundies,who have never grown enough to realize it,imo.And want to keep women down and dependent on them,away from the world,and esp. away from politics.

Willow said...

O.K. Where to start? Thank goodness I can come here and vent. My mind might explode otherwise. The Duggars do not learn anything as they go (regarding appearances, ideas etc etc). Block heads (sorry).

If they could afford and trust a nanny NOW to be around their children, they could have all along and saved the girls so much work. I said that on here years ago and I still feel that way. They WANTED their girls to work hard and were paranoid about them hearing so much as a word that was not approved by them ahead of time. You guys know what I mean. They take parental control to the inth degree. Apparently, the nanny was Heidi Query, and I understand they trust them a lot; but the Query family has been around them all along, as well as others I am sure.

I was just infuriated when I saw them on t.v. this last time (Fox, ABC, Huff Post, etc). They have NOTHING new to say. The girls' book is not new or interesting or authentic. As far as the interviews, they were supposed to be there to advertise the book and the book signing tour (I thought); but no, very little attention on the girls (I mean Jill) and LOTS of attention on Michelle (again). She just cannot let anyone else have any attention!! I mostly listened, because I can't stand to see her. The children cannot get experience speaking, because the parents hog all the speaking time. John David, bless his heart, tried, but he was very nervous. Why can't they let the older children go with their own schedules? The whole planet knows about the Duggar family now - they don't have to have every single last married adult and baby with them at all times. It is getting tedious.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting that Michelle was allowed to wear pants and date before she was married and the older duggar kids dont. That is so unfair.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars claim they aren't about fashion or physical appearances. It's the heart and character that counts. Soooo, why does JimBob constantly remind us of how beautiful Michelle is? Has he ever complimented her on her intelligence? Not that I can recall. They just don't make sense.

Anonymous said...

About this mind filtering out control thing that JimBob & Michelle "taught" the girls, do JB & Michelle practice this technique also? If so, who taught THEM? If not, WHY NOT?

Coleen said...

I've noticed in some of the recent book tour interviews and pics Michelle looks a little 'refreshed'. She looks good. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm wondering if maybe she had a peel or some other type of procedure. As far as I know, Gothard encouraged women to remain attractive to their husbands and their isn't a rule against procedures.

sandi said...

It's not just using the medical personel for their needs that makes them appear to be rather disingenuous,it's also the shows they choose to go on (Anderson Cooper) and the hosts they use (like the gay woman,and women in general,esp. the ones dressed modern),even in their own home.
So it's ok to use these ppl,even though their beliefs indicate they are 'heathen' per the Duggar world? I don't get it either.
And the suggestive signs in NYC..Jim Bob told them to just ignore them.Why not yell NIKE,like they do when they see women dressed in a way they don't approve of?

Rudy Tecat said...

The Duggar "Girls" have had months to prepare for their book hawking, but in the short interview with them I saw, Jill seems awkward and ill-prepared, and doesn't make a lot of sense when she's in front of the microphone. She sounds like at 12 year old! And, she's supposedly the most articulate of the four! My goodness, what a high school speech course could have done to help her organize her thoughts!

Rudy Tecat said...

And, I saw Jim Bob talk about how there doesn't have to be a separation of church and state in the US...he's urging all the Christian pastors to run for office. I bet he would be all for separation of church and state is all the Moslem or Jewish (or, Catholic!) holy men took control of the country.

Anonymous said...

Michelle, lose those ugly black stockings and those awful gum-sole shoes. Even nuns dropped that look a long time ago.

I'd like to know what the older girls think whenever they are allowed to leave the compound, en masse, and are helped by working females; ie retail, offices, restaurants? Does the family think less of these people for working outside the home and having a real job? Do the girls wish some real opportunities were open for them? Do they really understand why they are kept from the world? Jill is allowed a short chain from the tree because she isn't stepping outside of their belief system in delivering babies of like-minded women and is watched closely by her poor sister Jana. Poor delusional Jill.
And poor Jana.

Some real issues and questions have been brought forward in this website. I would like these issues/questions to be asked of the Duggars and by an interviewer who will tighten the noose and require real answers of them. We don't want to know just how many cans of green beans it takes to feed them dinner.

Jessa, I wouldn't want my preschool aged sibling to decide for me who I should marry. Jessa wants everyone else to make the decision for her because she can't make one herself. So sad. She'll be saddled with a little boy a few years her junior, or a male control freak with bible verses to back him up.

Anonymous said...

On an earlier episode of 19K&C, the clan was at a baby furniture store. One of the little boys turned on a toy with music and began to dance; of course, he was repeatedly stopped. Jim Bob said that "well, that's natural". Soooo, why are you suppressing what comes natural? Burping of natural too, do you not allow the kids to burp? I think you just can't dance and stink at it so no one else can do anything better than you.

Slightly Freaked Out... said...

I didn't see the interview that Rudy Tedcat referred to where JB says he doesn't think that church and state should be separated. It never ceases to amaze me that when it comes to gun control, all the right wing fundies yell and scream about the importance of the constitution and the rights guaranteed thereunder, but when it comes to a topic that doesn't always work in their favour, they are happy to do away with the constitution....which happens to be premised on the separation between church and state. It is a founding principle of the US republic. Unreal.

And of top of that, it is amazing to me that no one (or at least in the press I have seen/read) has asked the Duggar girls how they think they are qualified to write a book about relationships when none have actually had one (Jessa aside, as the book was finished before she started courting what's-his-face).

Lizz said...

the whole NIKE thing amuses me. what do they yell when there is a hot guy do they yell ADIDDAS to the girls?
LOL

Nancy said...

I saw some pics of one of the book signings and TLC is there taping. Like we haven't seen this a thousand times before.

Now, we just get the same crap regurgitated out of Jill's mouth rather than JB's. Ugh.

sandi said...

Lizz,maybe they yell "FLIP FLOPS!" when a shirtless guy or one wearing shorts walks by. LOL

sandi said...

The book is nothing but another financial oportunity for them and for tlc,which they will use for more footage on the show.
I had to laugh when Jim Bob said he thinks the book will help young ladies all over the world.Um,no,we don't live in the 1800's here.My kids did responsible dating and they turned out just fine.I would never want them to think this is the right and the only way to do things.A young lady or a couple out in public without a chaparone no longer means she/they are veiwed as being promiscuous.Get w the times,Duggars,Only like-minded ppl like yourselves would see it as a sexual thing.JMO.

NC said...

I'm new to this great site. Can someone explain the "NIKE" saying and when/how it is used? Thank you!

Anonymous said...

These families, Duggars, Kellers, Bates, etc., have a REAL problem with affection and warmth. I couldn't believe my eyes when Anna's parents "side-hugged her" upon seeing her, their daughter, after some time apart. That's not natural. Having said that, they are then expected to marry and have non stop sex with their spouses and conceive.. I think they mechanically reproduce with no emotion, affection or warmth. It's a duty both must fulfill. So sad, and unbalanced, IMHO. Anyone else agree?

Anonymous said...

Will someone please tell the Duggars to get their children proper shoes? That includes you, Anna. Used shoes are conformed to the foot of the previous wearer and not especially good for a child's developing feet.

Anna, lose those cheap canvas summer shoes..

Anonymous said...

On previous episodes some of the younger Duggar boys were shocked that a man can cook breakfast! Of course, they've never seen one do it let alone their own mother cook.

Also one of the little guys said that girls don't go in space. The producer's off camera voice said, " UH, yes they do." The poor kid was stunned and said, " They do?" How uninformed those children are. They are kept under wraps about such basic knowledge it isn't funny.

Shame on you Duggar parents for keeping your children stifled and ignorant. That is not love, it's control.

Anonymous said...

I hope Josh and Anna address "Kynzie's" serious need for speech therapy soon and that they don't just get some "friend" to come to the house and dabble in it. The kids needs a real trained professional,, no matter what their religious beliefs are, who is trained in speech.

I guess they might as well strap an apron on that poor girl as her future is written in stone already. She will have no choice.

A recent rerun showed Anna and Priscilla visiting their parents home after Paul's birth. Why do those people give these poor new mothers NO time to physically recover before dragging them around the country? A mom needs 6 WEEKS at least, not 6 days before hitting the road with a newborn. Irresponsible of them. Anna said to her sister, "how am I going to deal with having 6 kids by myself?" She already is lining up the cribs.. just stupid. IMHO I don't intend to insult anyone of them sarcastically but you just can't help but bang your head against the wall at these people and their sheep-like behavior. Use the brains God gave you to think through your lives...

Anonymous said...

Is Jessa the one playing teacher to her siblings? Since she's the one who's "book learned" let's see how well she can do in any public or private/Christian school and handle a 3rd grade class for one day. That's an insult to any professionally college educated instructor out there.

I think it's a contradiction for Josh and David to be so utterly competitive against each other. Why do they have to prove their superiority? The same goes for Anna and Priscilla. Anna was all over her sister that although she's younger, she married first and popped one out sooner than her poor, sweet simple-minded sister. Ungodly of them all.

Anonymous said...

I too was watching the episode where Anna & Priscilla are visiting Florida. I found it so odd that when they were talking to each other it sounded as if they were just acquaintances & not sisters. No emotion like was mentioned above.

Anonymous said...

RE: used shoes

And I would never wear them because you can get the herpes virus that causes plantar warts from shoes.

But then again, they would probably just accuse the girls of being sinful. Buy some new shoes!

Andrea said...

Joy is like the ultimate middle child. As a middle child myself I totally feel for her. It's so unfair she too didn't get to participate in the book. She's no one of the little kids and she is. It's certain,y niot one of the adult daughters . . . I really feel for her. I'm betting she's the one to break free and get a college education and a good job!

Patrice said...

NC said...

"I'm new to this great site. Can someone explain the "NIKE" saying and when/how it is used? Thank you!"
The Duggars explained at some point that when a woman is dressed in shorts, a tank top, or something else that exposes (gasp!) SKIN, the girls yell "NIKE!" which is their code word for the boys and JimBob to look at theirs shoes and avoid looking at the tramp/hooker/harlot who is dressed so horribly. Yes, a terribly realistic lifestyle. Because we all know when a girl wears shorts, men will run from near and far to attack her, and it will be her fault for "defrauding" the poor men who have no control over their urges.

Wampascat said...

The Duggars use the "Nike" word as a signal to the boys to avert their eyes if a scantily clad ( normally dressed) female is in their midst. They can then avoid having desires inflamed that cannot be righteously fulfilled. Because, you know, any female who doesn't share their beliefs is nothing but a dirty whore out to trap them into having filthy premarital sex.
The side hugs are not only disturbing, they are the product of a sick and twisted mind! Are they that hung up on sex that they fear being tantalized by their own children? Nasty people!

sandi said...

Jim Bob wrote in the 2nd book that whenever the family is out and about in public,and they see a female dressed immodestly (does not apply to males,for some reason),that others might hear them say NIKE!,and that it means for the boys to look at their shoes and not look up,because that female might 'defraud' them.
Yes,he really put it that way.
BTW,immodest for the Duggars is anything above the knee.Also wearing a tank or halter top is immodest to them.
He went on to say that 'defrauding' means a female is dressed in such a way that a male get turned on,and his needs cannot be 'rightously fulfilled'.So it is all the woman's fault.Yeah,right.That's how their idiotic thinking goes.

Anonymous said...

Poor old delusional Jill. She's so "gosh,darn happy" with herself and her life. I bet she'll be the one who is the 40+ year old spinster who gets to take care of Momma and Daddy in their golden years; (since she's the one with the "medical" training) and she'll be happy to do it..never realizing that she missed out on her life.

JimBob should be able to control his own pants and those of his lusty sons, not the girls; well, John-David and Joseph aren't exactly a "hunka hunka hunk-a-burnin' love waiting to explode" are they. Poor guys; they seem so sweet.

NC said...

Thank you to those who responded to my question about NIKE! I must say I'm speechless regarding their beliefs.

Anonymous said...

How is it that this family says it's all what's on the inside that counts, yet 4 out of 4 "older girls" have perfect complexions, and perfectly waxed eyebrows, and bleached teeth? Yet the boys,, well, poor Josiah(?) isn't taken to the dermatologist to clear up that poor boy's skin? I'm sure it would help that neglected one's self esteem. That individual has worth in his own right and shouldn't be ignored. I'm sure he sees himself in the mirror and would like some attention. I speak from personal experience with my own acne as a teen. I guess "beauty" is only for the girls,, to snare a husband.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone read the post on the girls' interview with Cosmo magazine? Why would they give attention to such a heathen/slut magazine? (In their opinion). They have literally no experience in the world let alone, dating and they see NO middle ground between being so pure and being a total slut. That is so not true. So sad that they know nothing about life and how joyful it can be yet you can still "keep your soul". I wish some interviewer would ask them why they see no middle ground. You're exactly like them or you're a slut on your way to hell.

Michelle, lose that poodle hairdo.
I would like to see just ONE interview that didn't include JimBoob or Michelle. Quit sticking your noses in your daughters' interview. Let them make fools of themselves alone.

Nancy Ann said...

The Duggar interview with Cosmopolitan magazine is one of the weirdest things I have ever read. I don't even know where to start. The poor grammar, the immature way of speaking, and the Madonna vs. Whore mentality. . . (Although they wouldn't use the word Madonna because that is too Catholic for them). Cosmo is a pretty sleazy magazine sometimes; the Duggars wouldn't get past the cover if they saw it on the news stand, so why give them an interview? Jessa says she looks to her parents, brother Josh and Anna for examples of good kissing. ICK!!!!!! For as long as JB and M have been married, they still look awkward when kissing. J and A are much worse. Not to mention that watching your family for ideas of good kissers is just plain weird. When, oh when will these people no longer be "news"?

Anonymous said...

Someone should say something to this family to provide proper beds for these kids. They sleep clothed in day clothes, some on the floor, with no sheets; just a "blanket". Nine to ten to a room. Their adult daughters should be in their own room, and the boys as well. Get up yourself, Michelle when your "little ones" call out in the night. I bet dollars to doughnuts the sister-moms tend to them at all hours.

Why do the girls have a sink-vanity & mirror in their bedroom? Are they not allowed a mirror and sink in their bathroom? Will they defraud themselves? JB & Michelle have a sink in their bathroom and all the privacy THEY need. Their children have no privacy at all. The sad part about it is, that the kids don't know any better.

Anonymous said...

Some questions come to mind about their daily lives: Just how many little kids share dirty bath water when "lined up" for a bath, when they are luck enough to get one? So not hygienic. I'm sure Michelle doesn't bathe her little kids at all, the Jslaves do.

Aren't the girls defrauded when they've changed their little brothers' diapers? How is that sight justified? Just wondering.

Anonymous said...

Why do the Duggars list their grandchildren in the birth order of their own children? Josh and Anna, etc., should be in their own separate pic. It shows me a lack of boundaries in that group. Anyone else think that's odd?

Anonymous said...

These poor Gothardite wives are hags at 23yrs old and mothers of 5 already. They take absolute blame for everything. In an earlier episode, Josh and JimBob received bad news from the doc about their cholesterol, etc. Immediately, Anna said that is was her cooking that was responsible for her (25yr old?) husband's poor health. Well, think again, Anna, it probably was 21 years of "heat & eat" processed food that his MOTHER instituted as their diet. These girls are trapped with no way out.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree with the poster regarding the Cosmo interview. What hypocrites. And yes, the "young women" do speak like they are giggly 12 year old girls. That should prove that they are emotionally at that level,. No wonder Jessa wants ALL of her family to make the marriage decision for her. A 12 year old isn't capable of that; nor should a 12 year old be considering marriage. So unbalanced.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed how Michelle tenses back when JB comes in for yet another kiss? No "frenching" for them, she not only has her lips together, they are tightly sealed. She has also turned sideways so he lands on her cheek and seems quite uncomfortable and displeased at yet another smooch. Too bad she can't tell him to knock it off every 5 minutes. He's so unwelcomed. I don't know how she can stand to "submit further". I bet no kissing is involved. (I say this with a touch of humor, not meaning to be inappropriate.)

Mommy in PA said...

Just wondering.... Does anyone know what denomination Amy & her mom are? Obviously they are not the uber-conservative Independant Baptist Gothard junkies that JimBob & his family are. Amy & her mom do wear pants, and you can see on Amy's IG that she has no problem wearing a bikini in the summer, she listens to pop music, lives her own life, etc. Not to mention that her mom had her out of wedlock. I'm just curious because obviously JimBob & his sister took very different paths even though both consider themselves Christian. And how do the other Duggars feel about Amy & her mom's less conservative but still Christian beliefs?

Allison said...

Why do the Duggars list their grandchildren in the birth order of their own children? Josh and Anna, etc., should be in their own separate pic. It shows me a lack of boundaries in that group. Anyone else think that's odd?

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when do they do that? In the intro to the shows, they do Josh's entire family at the beginning with him, and then continue with the other children. I've never noticed them doing that.

Wampascat said...

Yes, Jill, or possibly Jana ,will watch as her siblings eventually leave the compound to start their own freak shows. She will stay behind to take care of Jim Bob and Michelle. By that time I'm sure Michelle will have all sorts of health problems in connection with giving birth in rapid succession over the years. But we will hear the all too familiar "god laid it on my hear to stay" spiel.

Anonymous said...

Allison, the family has a Duggar Update blog page and all their pictures are listed in order, starting with Grandma, JB&Michelle, then Josh&Anna , Jana, then on down. The 3 grandkids are in line as if to be one of their own. Hope that helps.

Anonymous said...

Michelle got invisalign, which cost about $5000 and poor Josiah has cystic acne which leaves scars. Don't see them running to the dermatologist with him. How is that fair? And on that note, she can spend that kind of money on her old teeth, and the kids wear nasty old used shoes. I would never be that selfish with my kids, but I am not the mother of the year or one of Arkansas most interesting people. lol

Anonymous said...

I went to the Duggar book signing near me this evening and observed for a little while. They arrived only a few minutes late which is big for the Duggars. There was mention of Joseph driving the bus for them. Josiah is still not with the family and neither was Josh, Anna, and kids. Jim Bob spoke briefly and the family sang a song before sitting down to sign books. The older girls were on one end and Jim Bob and Michelle were on the other. There was obviously a girl who did not belong with the family as part of the entourage. The strange thing about this is that she was up on the platform with them, sang with them, and then headed to the signing tables and sat with the younger girls. JB named all the family at the beginning and did not make any attempt to acknowledge who she was and that she was not a Duggar child and there to help out. I found that so odd! They really are an attractive family from oldest to youngest. Jim Bob made mention of the new season starting on April 1st and how there was exciting news for the family. I watched Jessa during this time and she raised her eyebrows, smiled, and looked pretty guilty to me! She was not wearing any sort of engagement ring. The family is staying in town tonight and speaking at a local church in the morning.

Allison said...

Allison, the family has a Duggar Update blog page and all their pictures are listed in order, starting with Grandma, JB&Michelle, then Josh&Anna , Jana, then on down. The 3 grandkids are in line as if to be one of their own. Hope that helps.

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A Duggar Update blog is a fan-run website. It's not owned or operated by the Duggars. What Lily and Ellie choose to do is not a reflection of what the Duggars do.

Willow said...

Yes, yes about Michelle's invisalign. Also, though, why does she keep wearing those cheap, tired, wrinkled, solid-color blouses - especially the green one? She is obviously trying to prove how modest and frugal she is, but it is NOT necessary. You can find all variety of used blouses - they aren't that expensive and you can have choices to wear. Everyone knows by now how frugal, modest, etc. they are. I am so tired of seeing them in the same outfits, same gross hair and saying the exact same words - memorized years ago when no one knew them.

Anonymous said...

I thought it was Anna who got invisalign braces. You can tell she's bringing her now Duggar teeth up to par with the female Duggars. Poor Josiah, I agree is neglected. Shame on you Duggar parents.

Elizabeth said...

I used to like the Duggars but their new book pissed me.
I was hoping to find stories about their childhhod, how they work, cook and learn as a unit but i was very very dissapointet to read the same old stories i heard like 1000 times. It makes me mad i payed my hard earned money for that book.
Sorry english is not my first language.

hannah said...

I remember once Jim Bob made a remark, they get the girl braces first. They do the boys when they can afford it.


Why can`t a husband look good.

He can gain weight and the wife has to stay thin etc

Anonymous said...

With the Duggars being worth upwards of $3mil and no debt I think it is selfish of them to shop at consignment/thrift stores at this point. When that family needs shoes or clothing, they are taking away many things from the racks that would otherwise be available to other families who have little more than the money in their pockets that day. JB and Michelle can find VERY good sales and coupons at local retail stores at the mall and still be ahead. They are hoarders of such bargains while leaving others "in the dust". He hoards junk in the warehouse and she hoards newborns.

Josh and Anna went out in DC recently for their anniversary to a real-grown up restaurant with actual tablecloths and dishes. I'm sure the menus are written in English but Josh and Anna didn't know what any of the entrees were, so he ordered steak. He said he didn't know about anything else. Anna had steak too, because she couldn't make that decision by herself. However, it was nice to see her in a decent dress and were real big girl shoes. I haven't seen that since her wedding day...Those people have eaten a poor diet their whole lives.

A recent episode showed Michelle trying to cook some breakfast in her own kitchen before church. She attempted to scramble an egg in a Styrofoam bowl type dish. Don't they own any real bowls, plates, glasses and cutlery? So absolutely wasteful. The "eco-environment people" should bring this to their attention.
JMHO

Nancy Ann said...

I totally agree with the comment about the Duggars taking all the good stuff out of resale/thrift shops when they can well afford to buy new items on sale. They are such staunch Republicans, I should think they would want to help boost business profits by buying new. When they were done wearing their purchased-new clothes they would be in good enough shape to donate. The way it is, their clothes are probably ready for the rag bag when they are done. (Although Goodwill takes really worn and stained clothes and gets money for them as rags). As for all of the disposable tableware. . . I cannot figure why they spend so much money on things they throw away. They have a commercial dishwasher, and those wash a load every 90 seconds. They could buy tableware from a restaurant that has gone out of business and be set for a long time. But that would take more work than just throwing away 20 plates, cups, napkins, forks, knives and spoons at every meal.

Anonymous said...

Just read the Duggar girls Cosmo interview (http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/exclusive/duggar-girls-on-alcohol-and-first-kiss) Wow! I had no idea the world I live in (because I'm not a member of the Duggar family)is nothing but non-stop sex and alcohol and vulgar music! I hope these young women don't seriously believe they are special and unique because they aren't a part of the world, as they see it.

lisa van amerongen said...

In my opinion, Jim Bob kisses Michelle all the time to "show off" to the kids as he can kiss and they can not.

Anonymous said...

They use paper plates and cutlery and styrofoam cups every meal. Makes no sense, and to serve guests on paper plates is so rude. They can buy plates in the dollar store. I only use paper plates for a barbecue or large family party outdoors, otherwise it is real plates and we run the dishwasher twice or so.

Anonymous said...

Someone posted previously that Michelle wears a hairpiece? Where is it on her head? Why would she want to compound an already unflattering 'do with "more'?

Anonymous said...

An online article about the girls "knowing a thing or 19" about getting along with siblings featured a 3 min video or Michelle explaining how she trained her kids to get along with each other when young. She said the last resort was to tell Momma, and then they knew they were in trouble. Her eyes showed she strict stern disciplinarian in her. She referred to her method while saying nothing about this procedure for compliance. She used the word "consequences" but never told what she actually did to the child to "train 'em up" to always comply in the future. They should describe their methods in detail for all of us to hear. Methinks they have something to hide.

Anonymous said...

At the end of the Huffington interview, the host referred to JB & Michelle's success at being a Christian family while coming from a heathen background. They nodded their heads and said yes. Grandma, JB's sister and family and Michelle's whole Ruark family have been insulted and labeled as heathens in their opinion. I would like to know what they think about that?

hello said...

When Josh and Anna got engaged and they were going on about how they would save their first kiss for when they got married, JimBoob or Michelle said we will do the kissing for them and proceeded to kiss.

Anonymous said...

So much emphasis is placed on the guy's interaction with the family and with their "intended" in a family setting. Didn't it ever occur to the parents that their daughters will not know how this guy interacts with HER when one on one or alone? A young man can put on a good front for the family while he's on stage and up for review. He can be a whole different person when interacting with their girlfriends alone. What provisions do these families have if the "new husband" sucks and is a tyrant to his wife after marriage? Can the Duggar girls go back to their parents and speak to them about this? Will they blame HER for not keeping him happy, or will they protect and defend their daughter when she would need her families support most? These are the questions and scenarios that should be brought to these people. Answer the tough ones...

Anonymous said...

Michelle has gone on record saying how talented Jana is at playing the harp and how much she enjoys it. She could also make a lot of money as a musician because not many people can play or are as accomplished as she is.

Yes, Jana does/did play beautifully is earlier episodes. Sooo, what happened to her interest in music? She should have joined a local college music department and "grow"..I think she was told she had to watchdog Jill because Jill was interested in birthin' babies, a Duggar business. Such a shame that poor Jana had her love of music taken from her... it sure looks that way. I would like someone to ask the parents about that one, then ask Jana... separately.

Muddelheaded Wombat said...

O.k., there are two things, that I wonder about.
1: where was Josiah in all those TV-Interviews? Did they throw him out? Did he have to guard Grandma? Did he run away?
2: if the four eldest girls "wrote" the book, why do ALL the Duggars have to sign the book?

But I may be just really muddleheaded... I would have thought the girls and the parents could have gone to satisfy the parents lust for publicity. And the younger kids could have been herded by John, Joseph, Josiah and Joy or, more realistically by Mrs. Mary Duggar (she's not just "Grandma", but much more) and Joy, maybe the young women who helped take care in New York as well, since the boys can't be expected to do that.
Just give your oppinion. With four girls and parents, there would have been enough accountability, I'd say.

zebracrossings said...

Found an interesting view of Gothard on Anna's brother-in-law's facebook page. Page under John Esther Shrader...written on March 1. (Esther is Anna Duggar's sister who is moving to Africa with husband and 8 children...the 9th is on the way).
John denounces Gothard and says they are praying for family and friends who are still under his influence. Maybe there is hope?

Anonymous said...

Is it true that only the girl can "call off the courting" if she feels he's not the one? So the poor guy has to commit to marriage if he asks her father for permission to court? What pressure the poor guy has to decide if "she's the one" before he spends any time with her? How awful....

Anonymous said...

Josiah's at ALERT.

Beth Anne cherry said...

Cousin Amy posted a pic on Twitter drinking a green beer at what looks to be a bar...wait until the Duggars get a hold of her...into the prayer closet, Amy!!!

Faith said...

"O.k., there are two things, that I wonder about.
1: where was Josiah in all those TV-Interviews? Did they throw him out? Did he have to guard Grandma? Did he run away?"

Jim Bob and Michelle have said that he is at ALERT, which Joseph went to a year or two ago.

Jac&Jil said...

So Josiah is at ALERT training. On ALERT's website it says the cost for the 9-week training program is $3,400 plus $800-1,200 in required gear. Wow, that's a lot of money, even if the family already had some of the gear. If the Duggars can pay that much for the boys to go to some training program, why couldn't they spend that money on college courses? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Also, I would love to see one of the Duggars (boys and girls) and the Bates for that matter enter a branch of the Armed Forces. I don't believe you have to pay them to join, they actually pay you to participate! Wow, what a concept. These families never even acknowledge our men and women in the military but will brag about the boys attending ALERT.

Lastly, there's a picture on Chad's blog of Erin with a caption "Erin after D&C." That's way TMI for me. I feel sorry for them that they lost a baby, but some things should be should be kept private and not on a blog for everyone to see. Sorry, but that's the way I feel.

Anonymous said...

Someone, please, tell JimBob to begin his sentences with something other than, "Michelle, she's so beauuuuuutiful". Doesn't the man hear himself?

flowerchild said...

Josiah is one I worry about being overly disciplined. I hope he runs soon. I believe that the Duggars are VERY harsh disciplinarians.

tulip said...

Don't worry about Amy, she doesn't profess to live by "Duggar standards", and makes sure that people know she doesn't, so they don't hold her to anything...but note (cough) they do love her, invite her to spend time with the family, etc.,...
She has had many boyfriends, even posted pics kissing (uh oh), posted herself in a bikini at the beach (with the little kids she's a nanny for (oh my) and posted about going out... (for drinks?) (reading her posts one can decide for themselves what she might be drinking) all before. You know, just the kind of stuff "other" people do, but what JB & Michelle have decided is not what they choose to do for THEIR family, but that doesn't mean they will shun those that do (cough again)...
Interestingly enough, she has worn outfits around them that the Duggars would consider pretty darn revealing, brought the latest boyfriends over to the house, and I wonder if she would dare wear that teeny bikini around them, or even a one-piece? And JB has not said anything? Esp. around his daughters AND sons? (Cousin or not, it IS defrauding right?) And then knowing JB & Michelle's beliefs, Amy chooses to flaunt the total opposite when she's around them? Interesting.

Faith said...

"Cousin Amy posted a pic on Twitter drinking a green beer at what looks to be a bar...wait until the Duggars get a hold of her...into the prayer closet, Amy!!!"

I suspect the romance is over for Amy - no more pics of the boyfriend & post about guarding your heart along w/ some reassuring comments...

sandi said...

Amy has done that many times before...she gets a guy,dates him for awhile,they break up and she posts the 'guarding your heart' type stuff and postive affirmations,etc.Lather, rinse, repeat.
If she's read the Duggars 2nd book,she must know they are probably talking about her like a multi-used bike by now.
That must not bode well for Jim Bob talking about Michelle's 'baggage' and giving away pieces of your heart.Amy is still going strong.

Anonymous said...

That ALERT tuition is ridiculous, that money is better spent on sending Jill to a college to study nursing, state university tuition would probably be close to that amount for a year or maybe one semester and would be money well spent. What do you do with an ALERT certification or whatever it is? Seems pretty pointless, how about joining the local EMS squad.

Anonymous said...

One would think that JimBob has his businesses to tend to daily and that Michelle has a busy household to tend to. How do those two have the time to frolic around going on "courtship meets" with their daughter and babysit her? It shows you how little those parents actually do. I'd never have the time to live my daughter's life for her.

They clearly don't trust their own daughters who they say the brought up right and professes to agree totally with her parents' spiritual/social beliefs. Why don't they give her an opportunity to actually practice these beliefs without having to stand guard on these two kids? They are such control freaks. God gave us the rules and guildelines on how to live, agreed, and He also gave us an intellect in which to carry these out. The Duggars must not think much of their daughers' character to trust her and Ben to their own conscience before God.

By the way, those old foggies nearing 50yrs old, should stop acting like children themselves in public, so "unmodest of them". Grow up JB and Michelle.

Beth Anne said...

RE: Josiah is one I worry about being overly disciplined.

I agree. Somewhere, there is archived footage of when TLC filmed the family when, of course, JimBob and Michelle made a big circus out of announcing Michelle was pregnant with Jubilee. Let's just say JimBob was NOT pleased with Josiah's common-sense reaction of being upset and leaving the film scene, given the life-or-death situation that was Josie's birth and preemie time. I guess Josiah was supposed to put on a fake smile and act like his siblings, all happy that his blessed mother was once again procreating.

Some who have viewed the footage have come to the conclusion that JimBob got physical with Josiah and literally planted him right back into the happy family film scene. Can't have a kid show their true feelings or deviate from the common family countenance, right?

The thing is, Josiah is probably 100x smarter and more insightful than his parents. He seems sensitive and thoughtful in the best ways possible and more analytic in general. He KNOWS what his whole family went through when Josie was born and that his mother's life was at risk, so he correctly assessed that the Jubilee pregnancy was risky and wouldn't end well.

Beth Anne said...

Forgot to mention on my earlier post about Josiah's reaction to the Jubilee announcement...

The Mother-of-the-Year was either 1) too busy basking in her own glory to notice Josiah was upset or 2) noticed, but was mad that he was not basking in her glory as well, thus implicitly supporting JimBob using physical force to bring Josiah back into the fold.

This is opposed to, you know, having others hold the applause so she could go check on her upset son and talk to him about his feelings, fears, etc.

Lilly said...

I am disgusted but not shocked at the new commercials for the Duggars return to TV for the new season. JimBob is simulating Sex with Michelle on the miniature golf course in front of his daughter and her beau and grinning like a Cheshire cat like just wait you two. I think Michelle has something to say about it while her and Jimbob giggled like teenage schoolkids.I can't believe TLC would run this one commercial about the new season. It was vulgar and Jimbob Duggar is the Biggest Vulgar Gasbag I have ever seen. Totally disgusting pig he is.

hello said...

I just saw the promo for the new season. Ji mBoob was holding Michelle while swinging her around and Michelle says-"you cant do this yet". They also showed Ben asking permission to courtJessa. And of course tthey had to say they cant go out without a chaperone while showing Michelle in the car between them grinning like a 5 year old. For parents that think they "trained" their kids so well, they sure dont seem to trust them to make their own decisions. I find it sad that a 21 year old cant even text someone without her parent having to read them all. Do they open and read their kids mail too? You either trust your kids or you dont.

Judy said...

I saw the new commercial. It's nuts how they are telling two young people, "We can do this but you can't....yet," They think the rest of the world is sex obsessed???

AddiMom said...

Agreed on last night's promo. JimBob was childish, gross and immature in front of Jessa and her new guy. He just wanted to show off to him and that was not fatherly or encouraging AT ALL.

Canadian Fan said...

Being on a double "date" with your parents is bad enough. Jessa must have been completely embarrassed by their behaviour. These people do not trust their adult children to act appropriately. I'm sure there are lots of guys who would take advantage of a sheltered, naïve young lady, but there are also many good Christian men who have been taught to be gentlemen.
I would much rather keep updated on the Bateses. At least those kids are making progress and gaining new life experiences.

Nancy said...

How ironic that in their book, the girls claim they have the choice to save their first kiss for marriage. Yet, during that disgusting humping promo, there's that voiceover of Michelle gleefully proclaiming that Ben and Jessa CAN'T do this.

That's not choice. That's following rules previously set forth.

And a courtship proposal in the pantry? Okey doke...

roddma said...

$3400 for ALERT? How did they afford that before the show? And I fail to understand why they would let ther kids near anything Gothard after the allegations against him.

Willow said...

To JimBob and Michelle: After viewing all the "circus" pictures and videos of your book signing tour, I want to say to you: "Your little children want to go home!" What is wrong with you? Send the writers (NOT) of the book on the book signing tour and quit grabbing attention for yourselves. Small children need routines! I'm not even talking about school lessons - just let them go home and have some rest and routine. They are tired, you can tell. You do not have their best interest at heart when you travel so much and for so long. Get a chaperone for the older girls if you must, but your little children need their home and their mamma. Shame on you.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I agree JimBob & Michelle's behavior while watchdogging Jessa and Ben is ridiculous. They obviously don't trust their ADULT daughter at all and trust all guys even less. Listening in on phone calls and reading texts between Jessa & Ben proves that. They should be ashamed of themselves. Isn't that illegal or something?

London bridges said...

The latest promo is absolutely disgusting. Michelle stating that the courting couple couldn't do "this" yet, and then carrying on with JimBob. The simulated sex act was wrong on so many levels. TLC, why did you air this? Perhaps showing the Duggars in this light shows us just how twisted and sex obsessed they are. However, many posters here have stated this for a very long time. It makes me feel sick to my stomach when I wonder what really happens in this cult. JMHO.

Anonymous said...

Whether you like Amy or not, for a young woman her age she is doing appropriate things. She is dating (more than just one guy) out celebrating St Pats' Day with green beer etc. She may not be attending college, but I have neighbors who have a great daughter who works as a nanny and for now that's enough for her. Maybe someday Amy will work in early childhood education..maybe not. I'm sure as an only child she's spoiled. So far I don't believe she's broken the law or anything like that. She's a young woman who appears to be living the life she wants to, at this time. That's what these years are for..dreams of becoming a country singer,(her parents seem to support her in that dream) dating etc. It's a lot more than the Duggar girls are doing. JMHO

Anonymous said...

Of course the Duggars have a family friend along at the interviews and book signings (I think it's one of the Querys) she is there to look after the little Duggars. The older girls are there to be interviewed and sign books not to do child care and Michelle certainly isn't going to start doing any child care now!

Allison said...

Simulated sex? Is there a ra different preview from the one I saw? I just saw Jim Bob behind Michelle, swinging the little putter, and kissing. Which is pretty much what they always do. I know the kissing is excessive, but I think labeling it "simulated sex" is a tad hyperbolic. I saw no groin thrusts or Michelle straddling Jim Bob. Although I agree all the little teasing is a bit mean. But with all the "respect your elders" stuff they talk about, I don't think Jessa could ever tell her parents that what they are doing makes her uncomfortable. In fact, I detected a bit of eye-rolling and restrained laughter from her in the commercial.

Slightly Freaked Out... said...

I thought the promo for the new season was brilliant on so many levels. It really exposes JB as a real .... well, I can't use the noun I would really like to use. It also exposes the reality of Growing Up Duggar...that the girls don't have choices, despite what Michelle and JB preach.

While I don't agree with the Duggars about pretty much anything, I really do get a certain perverse pleasure from watching these guys. Which is not very Christian of me, but at least I admit it!

sandi said...

I don't think it's illegal to read other's texts/listen in on phone calls,as long as you have all the parties' consent,which we know they have made sure they do.House rules you know,and as long as their under their roof,I'm sure they know they don't really have a choice.The choice was made before they were even born.

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