Is Jill Courting?

Take this with a salt shaker of salt.  It was sent to me by a friend of a friend of a friend. 



Pushed into another confirmation?  People article confirms it.

105 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who are the two people on the right with the blue t-shirts? Is Ben in this photo?

Reality TV Junkie said...

Yeah, that definitely looks so. There is no other reason why she would be leaning in so close to another guy.

tulip said...

Yes. She def. wouldn't be standing that close to a guy if not. Even very good friends of the family, like the Bates, etc., never seen the girls stand close to any of the guys like THAT. Is that Ben standing behind Jessa? Maybe the 2 folks on the right are the mystery guy's parents. The girls in the blue tshirts might be his sisters. Wow look at all the kids, they look like they can't bear to stand one more second of being on the road, dragged around on book signings & TV appearances. This photo says ALOT.

Wampascat said...

Does that sign in the back say Big Sandy? Isn't that where some Gothard business takes place?

Betty said...

Big Sandy is a very Gothard place. It has lots of facilities and is where the Duggars go to the ATI conference every spring and where the ALERT academy is located. Perhaps this was taken when they went to pick up Josiah.

Anonymous said...

It probably is her boyfriend. I doubt that she would be that close to a random guy. It makes sense after that slip that Jordyn (?) had. They will probably announce it Tuesday during the first episode of the new season. Whoever he is…he looks smoking hot :)

Reality TV Junkie said...

LOL at Jason's face on the left.

But really this makes me sad for poor Jana. Her 2 younger sisters having boyfriends, while she still waits. Hope she finds someone soon.

Anonymous said...

In that photo it looks like Jana is physically holding up an exhausted, Josie. Yes, I agree, that photo says it all in re: to the kids... they have had enough and want to go home. I wonder if the little ones remember home? How long have they been on the road? They don't even stay in hotels where they can bathe, just the bus. I wonder if they eat at fast food restaurants? The way they travel on that bus you'd think they were a rock band!

Anonymous said...

Who are the girls in the picture in dungarees. Actually the definition of "dungarees is :work clothing. So what's wrong with that, even in an ultra conservative world

Betty said...

Restaurant employees.

Anonymous said...

Is that Joseph standing behind Jana?

Coleen said...

I bet so! I had a feeling once one sister broke away the others will feel more inspired and gusty to do the same. Poor Josiah, he looks broken. And Jana... maybe she doesn't want a beau.

Cathy Johnson said...

Jill is Def snuggled up next to that guy! Poor Jana.. She's so pretty, if inly they could get out to meet guys other than ATI conf.

Anonymous said...

clarkwilsonfamily.blogspot.ca/2012/10/fort-rock-family-camp.html

Jill's friend Austin.

Anonymous said...

http://www.cmt.com/videos/worlds-strictest-parents-108-the-forsyth-family/1613411/full-episode.jhtml

Forsyth family world's strictest parents.

Anonymous said...

Not sure Austin is the guy in the bus photo though.

Slightly Freaked Out... said...

What was Jordyn's slip up that Anonymous @ 4:42pm mentioned?

Haley said...

It definitely seems strange that Jill would be standing that close to a guy she wasn't at least somewhat romantically involved with. Also, where can I find the video of the little girl saying Jill is courting?

Anonymous said...

Who is Austin and who are the Forsyths? Don't know about them.
Jill doesn't have any male friends; not allowed to and she is terrified to have any that are not blood relatives. Why do the Duggars still had to Big Sandy? They can't be that stupid to still buy into this nonsense from that weird Gothard guy. Brainwashed.

Faith said...

Forsyth family owns Fort Rock Christian Camp which is advertised/featured on the Duggar website.

Anonymous said...

It makes me sick to think that the Duggars might still be involved with that Gothard guy, with all the young girls in that family. It's a terrible thing to even think but, I've always had my suspicions about Jim Bob. There is just something about that "chuckle" he has as well as all the "sex talk" from this Godly, Christian man.

Stephanie said...

Josiah looks bad poor kid. He has his ALERT homemade buzz cut and his hair pattern is that of an old man. That is definitely NOT a good look for him. He needs his wavy hair and never buzz it again.
Agree with all of the above:
The little kids look miserable
Jill is unusually close to a man.

Something different about this photo. Every interview they say the kids are so well behaved, but this looks impromptu and they are NOT having it.

One interview Jill explained the "obedience game".
Yep that's how we trained our dogs. Works wonders.

Kaila said...

Looks like someone is taking their picture with the sun in their eyes.

Anonymous said...

It's a shame, that yes, the Duggar children have been trained like dogs. The sadder part is that they will maybe never know it. I think that's emotional abuse and the Duggar parents are champions at that.

As a mother myself, I would never interfere with my children's future and require them to do what should be my job.. ie, raising and caring for the younger children and taking care of the household. The adult children can live at home, yet be responsible for their own linens, chothing, etc. all while having education and/or jobs outside of the home. The need to meet and interact with all types of people. They don't have to agree with everyone's lifestyle. They are raising their children to be rigid, closeminded and see everything in absolutes. That simply does not exist in the real world. They would realize that if they WERE allowed to go out in it and live. JMHO

Allison said...

The kids look like they are being asked to face the sun and smile for a photo. Even the older ones are squinting and looking like they are having a hard time looking at the camera.

This isn't about misbehaving (although I agree, the Duggar children are far from "perfect") but I think this photo needs to be critiqued with a little more understanding...

tulip said...

They're not looking into the sun. It's gray & overcast with cloudy skies reflected in the window of the RV. Most everybody is smiling, except the little kids who look like they've been up since 4 am and in desperate need of a nap. The only people who are really squinting are JB, Josiah, the twins & Jessa, who actually just look annoyed like hurry up and take the picture, this is the 500th one today. Why are the workers in the pic? Who are the gray-haired couple?

imaamy said...

I noticed in this pic that none of the girls are wearing flip flops! Sandals yes but every shoe has some structure.

Kate said...

Is anyone missing, someone has been cut out on the left hand side.....

sandi said...

I'm guessing the older couple may be the parents of whomever Jill is apparently courting.
Yes, it looks like someone with a black shirt was cut out,so it may have been one of the workers.

Dar said...

Saw the interview with Huffington Post. The younger children did yell out "Jill" when the moderator asked who was "courting". They are probably saving this for another season. There were so many things to get your teeth on edge with this interview. Girls who are in their 20's, speaking like teenagers, giving anyone advice on any aspect of life outside their family walls is galling. Jim Bob has the nerve to say their book can be an inspiration to girls all around the world. How arrogant! I have more respect for young people who go out into the world, face temptation and persevere in the right direction, than one who is always being watched and never tested. If you don't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.

Jim Bob thinks everything he says is relevant. Michelle just looks adoringly into his eyes when he speaks. It is nauseating. They espouse the tenants of Mr. Gothard's church. A man who has been accused by several females of misconduct, to say the least. Michelle should be protecting her girls. She should also tell their father that his behaviour is in extremely bad taste. Even dogs know how to copulate. It is not necessary for him to emulate the act for the young people. Thirteen year old boys and girls have more sense than this. It is time for his platform to be taken from him. TLC has to pull the plug on the JB and Michelle Show. He and the "politician" Josh also show their ignorance when discussing health care. IMHO, health care should not be political. Jim Bob is wrong about the health care in Canada. He makes statements and no one questions them. He is in control of all these lives. How sad.

I wonder when the young children had any school time with a teacher, be it mother or sister. They are dragged around the country on show for their parent,s agenda. They all look exhausted. Michelle should audition for the movies to garner attention and leave her children to live their lives normally.

mom in texas said...

Jill clearly (IMO) seems to be leaning close to the guy and I believe it's been stated that the older couple is his parents. If Jill is courting, then great. A semi-normal rite of passage in her culture. Hopefully Jill will be able to soon forge her own path.
Jessa and Ben are having a long courtship (in fundie standards), then again the Duggars whole life is under contract so Jess could very well be engaged but as not to spoil the new season, this could be a well kept secret.
But I have to wonder, why Jana has not began courting yet? Jana is a pretty girl and seems rather personable though shy (even quiet, shy Michael Bates is courting). Is it that Jana just truly hasn't wanted to court? Has Jim Bob not approved anyone? Has no guy came asking (really hard to believe)? I would've guess Jill would have been last due to her immature nature. I am obviously speculating on all of these things but I keep putting myself in Jana place and think if I had to choose the lesser of two evils, courting, marrying to escape the constant servitude of Duggar life or staying and a sister/mom at home, I would choose the courtship.

Wampascat said...

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end. Remember, before they cancelled Kate Gosselin's show, they stated to show her and the family in a different light and I think they are beginning to do that with the Duggar's as well. They no loner are portraying them as the squeakiy clean perfect family, but more as an oddity and catching more realistic moments on camera.

Betty said...

The older couple are not unknown guy's parents.

Anonymous said...

If Jana didn't want to court, she wouldn't have those sad eyes and fake, sweet smile that is required of her. It is my opinion that something occurred to break her spirit even more than before. We can only speculate what that might have been. I think she is the sweetest young woman around. Too bad she's not given an opportunity to live like a woman. I think JB has blocked courtship offers that she might have wanted because Michelle isn't ready to give up her chief cook and bottle washer yet. Joyless Anna isn't ready to assume the position. Then again, why would Jana want to marry some guy she has to serve? She already does that for Daddy Dearest. It would mean trading kitchens for her..that's all. No wonder that poor sweet girl has sadness behind her eyes. How can Michelle not care? She doesn't know any of her children at all; she knows them only by jurisdiction and buddy system. So sad.

JenTru said...

How do we know the older couple aren't just people/fans that asked to take a picture with the Duggar's? Or did I miss that we knew the picture's origin?

And I totally agree that the kids look exhausted and Josiah and Jana look broken.

Betty said...

The man in the older couple is in the management of ALERT.

Betty said...

The man in the older couple is in the management of ALERT.

Willow said...

Are we sure the gentleman beside Jill is not Peter Query?

Elspeth said...

Definitely not Peter Query.

Allison said...

Well it's confirmed. At least the guy is older and probably more capable of being a husband. He's older than even Josh was when he got married. They do look cute together.

But I cannot figure out why they would only introduce one courtship at a time. It seems like it happened really soon after Jessa. Why not talk about both at the same time? Why only one at a time?? It makes no sense!! Although I imagine this is what they are hinting at when they say "more changes coming" this season.

Anonymous said...

I think that Jill is the perfect candidate for courting. She not only toes the line but she preaches it! She loves kids and caring for them, thus I am sure she will be pregnant not too long after marriage. No one seems to drink the Gothard Kool-Aid more than she.

Willow said...

Thanks Elspeth.
I'm out of ideas now. Lol. I am hoping someone will recognize him.

Sharla said...

There is a video at the bottom of the People article that I thought was cute except for Jim Bob and Michelle sitting right there for the Skype session.

Anonymous said...

I think they r letting the girls go in order of how little they need them. Jessa never took care of the little ones that much. She seems to have always had her own opinions, not just Mommy and Daddy's. So they don't need her that much so they approved a courtship quickly. Then Jill quit doing as much around the house once she started the whole midwife thing so they quickly approved another courtship for her. But as for Jana, they need her and will not approve anything that gets her out of the house. That would mean more work for them. I think some of those little ones think Jana is the mom. Idk that they could do it without her. So I don't see courtship in her future anytime soon. I feel bad for her. She looks so sad. And she is trying to do what she has been taught is right...

Mandy said...

I have a feeling the timing of this courtship announcement was Jill's doing. Maybe she didn't want it announced until she was pretty confident in the relationship? And with the new season starting tomorrow there really wasn't anymore time to wait if it's going to be in the episode. Just a thought.

Faith said...

Anonymous Willow said...
Are we sure the gentleman beside Jill is not Peter Query?

The guy next to Jill is the man she is courting, Derick Dillard.

Wampascat said...

It's obvious they want to drag out the courtship to drag out the seasons. That means more money for Jim Bob. That is all those kids are to him, cash registers, ka ching!

Nancy said...

New official TLC season preview that includes Jill's courtship. I think it might be part of Episode 1. They can't dedicate a whole hour to just Jessa...can they???

I hope the blood test Michelle is getting is for FSH, and I hope it shows she's in menopause!

http://blogs.discovery.com/tlc-new-now/2014/03/19-kids-and-countings-jill-duggar-is-in-a-courtship.html

Anonymous said...

I don't know why JimBob didn't match this guy up with Jana. She is sooo ready. He's 25 and she's 24; better than immature Jill. IMO

I think Michelle needs Jana as the maid/nanny and couldn't do without her, maybe Michelle would actually have to do household/motherly things. We all know how the would hate that!

So unfair for Jana..I hope she does the best of them all and her beau pulls the wool over JB's eyes and lets Jana LIVE...

Allison said...

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Jill is immature... I don't think Jana is particularly more mature than Jill. Is there something in particular ya'll are referring to.

Even though, like everyone else, I'm a little weirded out by their courtship rule, I could help but feel happy for Jill when I saw her face when they landed in Nepal. She looked so happy and excited! It was really adorable. Also when she expressed how she might love someone she's never met.

Which brings me to Jessa. Has anyone noticed how serious she's been throughout the press tour? Every time she's asked about her courtship she's so matter of fact about it. She doesn't seem very happy or excited about it. Even her pictures she seems a little less than thrilled, whereas Jill has a huge smile on her face. I'm concerned Jessa might be in a courtship she doesn't actually want to be in anymore...

Allison said...

I watched the clip of their little chat and man oh man did it sound and look so staged! Everything about it sounded like they had it all set up to be filmed. The look on Jill's face when Michelle goes "I guess we'll be sitting in on your conversation today" was priceless. She looked like Michelle was nuts with her little "Yep." I don't know why they do these staged interactions. You can tell how completely fake they are. They are so uncomfortably weird.

Anonymous said...

Now I've heard it all! Jill Duggar courting a man she's had never met and her Dad's "prayer partner, at that!. I almost don't know what to say except, I'm sure the reason it's not Jana is because they need her more around the house. I can't remember how many times they have had huge numbers of guests for dinner and it always seems like it's Jana doing all the cooking. We know Josie is always attached to her hip. I remember when Jana went on the "Journey to the Heart.". Little Josie was crying hysterically for Jana when she realized she was leaving without her. You never see her cry like that for Michelle. Every time Michelle takes Josie to Children's Hospital for a check-up, Jana always goes along to comfort or play with Josie. I guess we know which sister's will be the spinster. Poor Jana. Although, she might be better off than courting her, Dad's "prayer partner."

Anonymous said...

Is it true that the man that is courting Jill had never even met her or even Jim Bob for that matter? My God, I thought the days of arranged marriages were over!

Muddelheaded Wombat said...

At least this courtship of Jills gives me the hope, that Jana can now quit the Doula-Trainig she does not seem to relish anyway. Because wether Jill goes on or not after marriage: she does not need anyone for accountability anymore then.
Maybe Jana and Jinger can find something they both like and thus earn their own money, meet their own people and RUN. Just my humble oppinion.
I sadly don't have any hope that they will be allowed to court anytime soon, as Joy is not yet ready to take over the work of all four older girls and though they seem to have started Johannah into duty, they will need Janas and Jingers hand. Sadly, I do not see them get out of the family soon. Just my personal oppinion, I do not claim for it to be right or fair or just.

Willow said...

Of course, I asked about Peter Query BEFORE we got the announcement about Derick. I was just having fun guessing. Now we see the actual person - he seems nice and seems like a good fit for Jill. I was really surprised they had been courting since November. Is that when they actually went to Nepal? Where did you get to see her when she landed in Nepal? Has there been a preview shown somewhere? Thanks guys for your answers. This blog has always been fun. (Oh, and P.S. - what did they think would happen during a Skype talk?) Even if he said something off the wall? I'm really trying to understand that, even knowing the Duggars.

Allison said...

Is it true that the man that is courting Jill had never even met her or even Jim Bob for that matter? My God, I thought the days of arranged marriages were over!

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People are matched by others all the time, that's hardly unusual. Another clip has Jim Bob saying that he's suggested other guys to his daughters and they've said no, so they clearly have had opportunities and we just haven't seen it.

And they began courting after they met in Nepal, they were just talking before. That's what the People magazine article said. They have met now, and have been seeing each other since November. It's not like this whole thing has been done over the Internet or through Jim Bob. It's different, but not THAT crazy.

Wampascat said...

Jessa always has a look on her face like she's just eaten a bad pickle. Maybe she's not thrilled with Ben, but he's a way out of the loony bin???

Anonymous said...

I do not think Jessa looks like she likes, let alone is in love with, Ben. Even Anna truly looked (looks) like she loved Josh and had that love gush gaze. Not Jessa. Bad sign if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

Allison.
You're correct people are matched all the time but not in this country!!Where are the picture od Jill landing in Nepal?

Anonymous said...

Allison re; Jill having a big smile on her face. Haven't you ever noticed that Jill has a smile on her face whenever there is a camera around? If she is going to the store, minding the little ones, going to donate blood, giving Josie her first piano lesson. In other words she has that smile to go along with the party line!

Allison said...

Did you see the commercial where one of the little ones asked Jessa if she was going to marry Ben? She looked horrified and had this nervous little giggle. I know it's a preview but still. What a weird reaction...

Anonymous said...

I don't think the Duggars will be able to do all the traveling they have done in the past if Jessa gets married. Isn't she the one they all compliment on how organized she is and how she does all the packing for trips. I realize she is assisted by Jinger but they always give most off the credit to Jessa. I also think the whole business of both girls being in courtship relationships is just for TV ratings. I think it's clear that Micheelle's baby making days are long past and Jim Bob knows he needs something to keep the TLC money rolling in.

Anonymous said...

I still suspect that Jessa's courtship was a decoy to hide Jill's. No one was looking at Jill all this time, so Ben and Jessa will part ways and end the sham.

hello said...

I found it strange when Michelle said they sit the girls down when they are 12-13 and have them write down what they would look for in a future spouse. What could they possibly write? Just what has been drilled into their heads since birth. I wonder what their views are on divorce. What if one of the girls was married and there was adultery, physical abuse etc. Would they be encouraged to stick it out and made to feel that the issues were somehow their fault?

Anonymous said...

Just because Jim Bob say's he's suggested other guys to his daughters, it really doesn't make it so. I believe we all realize that to put it nicely, Jim Bob has been known to really stretch the truth about many thing and on many occasions.

Allison said...

Re: people not being matched...

Um yes they are. Parents making introductions, friends making introductions... This happens all the time in the US. Jim Bob clearly doesn't force his daughters to date anyone, but introduces men he likes. This, amazingly enough, is totally normal.

Allison said...

Re: Jessa vs Jill

Yes, the show reinforced how non-emotional Jessa is. I guess I just expected a little more from her. She just seems really nervous and hesitant about this whole thing. IMO.

Wampascat said...

Okay, who else wanted to knock John David's teeth out when he said they must be doing something right because Jana is twenty four and has no husband? I used to feel sorry for that little weasel. Just another Jim Bob clone. Gag.

flowerchild said...

I think Jessamine is just frank and honest, she's not that fake sugary sweetness like Michelle. I think she likes Ben very much. John-David was just being silly with his comment and he's a kind sweet boy. The parents are the awful ones imo.

Rudy Tecat said...

And, John David is Jana's twin! Where's his wife?

Judy said...

At least this guy has an actual profession and is old enough to make a reasonable decision! Maybe a double wedding?

Anonymous said...

Yes people are often matched by others in this day & age but it's usually by friends or family members their own age. When people attempt to make a match it's usually because they know both people well. Since the Duggar girls never say no to Jim Bob I can't imagine them turning down someone he thinks is the right one for them. They were just terrified when he announced they were going to give blood for Josie, that time, but not one of them could muster up the courage to say :NO. They are always being pushed into doing things or going places when they really don't want to.

Anonymous said...

I felt sad for Jana when her brother made that comment. Like he "owns" her until he "decides" to let her get married. Sadly, though, the women in this family have authority over them. Run, Jana and Jinger! Run! I think Jessa is just embarrassed to show her emotions toward Ben on camera. I also think she knows good and well that her folks and siblings are watching, so she has to monitor herself.

sandi said...

I find it odd that Jim Bob said the girls were 'just now' interested in courting.The timing is all too convenient,imo.
And perhaps Ben is just a diversion..Jessa doesn't seem very excited;meanwhile Jill is dressing and behaving like a young Mayim Bailik with a school girl crush. (hat and big odd hair ornaments,sideways ponytail,etc.)I find it a somewhat off.

Beth Anne said...

Regarding people being "matched" for dates, courtships, etc.

I agree it does happen, where people are set up on dates by friends or family members who think two people will hit it off. The difference is, for the Duggar girls/adult daughters, Daddy matching is the ONLY way they are meeting a potential spouse. They are not allowed to get out there and meet young men on their own, even just to establish friendships. It certainly limits who they will be spending the rest of their lives with. There absolutely could be someone perfectly matched for Jana, for instance, out there in the real world, but JimBob's view is so narrow and he is the one doing the 'screening,' so there's a limiting factor right there.

Wampascat said...

Sipping out of the same milkshake? What man in his mid twenties does that?

Anonymous said...

{eople are matched by others all he time, but it's usually always people that know each of them well. Jim Bob really didn't even know this young man. He only knew this young man as his "prayer partner." He decided he was perfect for Jill. It's different if it's friends,or relatives such as cousin, or co-workers the same age that really know each of them...their likes, dislikes etc. In this day & age with computers,skype, etc. you never really who you are getting involved with. It could turn out to be a dangerous situation .I'd be concerned especially about a sheltered young woman meeting someone because Daddy thinks he's great...although Daddy really knows nothing about him

Allison said...

{eople are matched by others all he time, but it's usually always people that know each of them well. Jim Bob really didn't even know this young man. He only knew this young man as his "prayer partner." He decided he was perfect for Jill. It's different if it's friends,or relatives such as cousin, or co-workers the same age that really know each of them...their likes, dislikes etc. In this day & age with computers,skype, etc. you never really who you are getting involved with. It could turn out to be a dangerous situation .I'd be concerned especially about a sheltered young woman meeting someone because Daddy thinks he's great...although Daddy really knows nothing about him

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OK, I get not being a fan of being matched by your dad, but this is a whole heck of a lot of assumptions. Where did you come up with Jim Bob not knowing Derick? According to Jill's interview, he and Derick knew each other for at least six months, possibly up to a year before Jim Bob told Jill about him. Then they started talking, and in November, they went to Nepal to meet him and officially began courting then. They didn't start courting immediately, nor did they start courting over the Internet. I mean, yes, it all started with Jim Bob and it was his idea, but that doesn't mean it was a totally blind suggestion. I just don't know where you got the impression Jim Bob hardly knew him. Besides, you can lie perfectly well in person as online. Meeting someone in person is no guarantee either.

Anonymous said...

Re : This constant line about "guarding your heart," that Michelle,Jim Bob & all the older girls keep referencing. Your first romance absolutely must be your life partner. I don't know about others out there but I did have my heart broken a couple of times as a young adult and it really seemed to make me a stronger, more secure person. I really knew what I wanted and what I didn't want when it came to a life partner. Just because I had romances that I thought would end in marriage it doesn't mean that I wasn't a virgin when I married. So I can see that you can actually have a fairly long term relationship, that for one reason or another just doesn't work out. But believe me you can learn from these life experiences and you go on with your life. In my case, I am happily married for more than 54yrs. Oh yes,there were a couple of times I was sure my heart was so broken that it might not heal. It did, big time!

Anonymous said...

I believe that our hearts regenerate when "pieces are given away". In fact, it regenerates stronger and healthier than an unused one. They are full of crap
about that.

sandi said...

Re: the milkshake,I think they are just trying to make them appear to be teens in love.Look at how Jill is dressing now,lol.I don't think that's her style at all.
I think matchmaking is fine by dad,as long as they are given a choice to *not chose one of them.My dad used to try that by bringing home coworkers for dinner,and it just didn't work out.The guys just weren't me or my sister's type.But unlike the Duggar girls,we were allowed to not have a limit placed on us,and we found our own spouses.

sandi said...

I think they just want to appear more mainstream by having Jill meet a guy via internet? I just wonder if that really is the truthful version;perhaps Jim Bob knew the family or knew of them before he suggested Derick to Jill.jmo.

Judy said...

I don't think it's even healthy for a young person to never experience dating others. I don't know why they want to avoid the growing up experience of having a boyfrend or two before settling down.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob to put it nicely could be fooled by almost anyone. It's ben proven over and over again. If his wife wants to go along with it that fine. But these girls are known pretty much all over the world thanks to TLC& Daddy. We know this as so many people knew them on their world travels to Europe & Asia. What's to stop a young man from portraying himself in a way that appeals to Jim Bob, when if fact he may not be an upstanding, Godly, Christian man. The recent article on the men who run the programs that the Duggar's espouse (ie Bill Gothard) shows problems. I really don't want to be mean, but they have sent Jana to the "Journey of the Heart;"a few times.It's a Gothard program! Joseph & Josiah have both been sent to Alert, another Gothard program. Josiah was at alert when all this information on Bill Gothard (which goes way back)came out in the press. I say proceed with caution!

KitKath said...

Michelle wearing pants!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCKFBK6KpD8
Go to 0:55 for the fun!

Elspeth said...

Not pants looking to me, just her skirt clinging to her legs when she stood up. It's clear at 1:11 that it's a skirt.

Jac&Jil said...

I see Ben has on his "I Survived Roe vs. Wade t-shirt in the picture. Great date apparel.

sandi said...

Re: Ben's shirt.Wouldn't that imply his mother believed in abortion,yet decided not to have one when pregnant with him? I was born before 1973,yet I still wouldn't wear one;it wouldn't have been true,since my mom wouldn't have ever considered it.Just saying.

Wampascat said...

I'm sure Ben thinks his shirt makes a nifty statement that his future inlaws would embrace, but if you would ask him to explain it...crickets...crickets...

got2bdrc said...

I read Michelle's blog on her dating relationship with Jim Bob and I had to cringe. "We went farther than we should have"--what does that mean? They held hands and stole a few juvenile kisses, which is exactly what dating and engaged couples should be doing. It seems to me that this Gothard/ATI/Quiverfull Christianity they practice is all about fear. They fear giving away pieces of their hearts (as if love is a non-renewable resource). They fear defrauding anyone who might find them attractive (as if they're responsible for other people's actions and emotions). They fear exposure to normal, every day experiences, and they fear what would happen to a child of theirs who ventured off the family property alone. I thought Jesus taught that love casts out fear. The Duggars don't seem to read the same Bible I do. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

Seems to me that the book the girls wrote; "Growing up Duggar" (eye roll)has taken a sudden back seat to all the courting and engagement talk. Haven't seen or heard anything about it over the past couple of weeks

Wampascat said...

I read that dating blog myself. The wind probably blew her dress up and Jim Bob saw her knee. So, she's been terrified to show her knees ever since then. Who knows? That whole blog was so full of baloney, you could smell it! How does the boy who sat meekly on the sofa studying scripture for four hours ( whoop de doo, what fun!) resemble in any way the lech who slobbered all over his wife and simulated a sex act in public? A sex act, may I add, not condoned by Gothard. They should only engage in acts where they can look into the others eyes. Mmm Hmmm.

Anonymous said...

This latest episode with Jill and her "buddy group" was the first time I've heard about the "buddy group." I think we've all heard forever about the buddy system but didn't know it had progressed that far. Also, Michelle seems shocked about realizing just how much Jessa has been doing around the home;especially the packing for all their trips. Just what world has Michelle been living in?

Judy said...

There aren't enough older kids -- especially with the boys now getting older and starting their little businesses -- without buddy groups. With a buddy group, Michelle still doesn't have to have any buddies.

Elspeth said...

Michelle has had buddy groups since Jana was about seven. They've even had the lists posted in the house.

hello said...

Michelle has been living in the world of Michelle. Her only responsibilities are submitting to Jimboob in the bedroom, gazing adoring to him whenever he speaks and having babies. She certainly doesn't have time to raise the children she chose to bring into the world. I dont know what she would have done if she had all boys.

Brenda said...

Lord have mercy on us all!

Jill is still spouting the party line: http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/jill-duggar-and-derick-dillard-want-as-many-kids-as-god-will-give-us-2014104

Allison said...

Was there any doubt? I don't know why people are surprised that the kids follow their parents. They have absolutely no reason to believe otherwise given how they have been raised. Even victims of serious religious abuse (like FDLS type stuff) stay inside the compounds for years. And although I don't love how the Duggars raise their kids, the kids aren't being beaten or abused, just perhaps taken advantage of. You have to be really unhappy to upend your entire life...

sandi said...

I don't know,I would say give it a few years on following everything their parents expect them to do.I was the same way,(although my family wasn't qv),and I know I just came to a point where,after being marrried and on my own a few years,I just said,NO,I am going to vote and live my own way.(and that was fine w my husb. as well).Living for others and doing what THEY expected wasn't what I wanted,and I wasn't being true to myself.And that was imprt to me,and so I hope these young ppl can come to a point also,where they can think and form their own thoughts,and decide what they really believe in for themselves.Even if it means suffering some consequences for them.I know I'd rather suffer than be untrue to myself,and I suspect some of the others living on very conservative terms to please others may very well come to such conclusions in a few years,give it some time.jmo.

Anonymous said...

Well, well, Joshy bought himself a real TV..and was going to sit down and watch a movie? "It's for educational purposes and good hero/role models", yeah right, like maybe for 5 minutes. I'm sure they are watching regular TV, and you know what? GREAT!!! YOu don't have to watch trash on TV, but get real with it and watch the news, documentaries, etc., and maybe, Sesame Street. Wonder what JimBoob thinks of that?

Anonymous said...

Re; Elspeth's comment on the buddy groups. I have always been aware of the "buddy system," since Michelle speaks about t frequently. I just never knew there were so many in a "buddy group." That's a lot different than an older one being responsible for one or two little ones

Anonymous said...

This buddy group thing is another way for JB and Michelle to get out of any work. They can leave it up to the older buddy. They play stupid, but they are really very smart. They avoid work like the plague. If they can dump it on someone else they do. The kids are so brainwashed they go along with it.

Anonymous said...

Considering that Jim Bob is such an upstanding, Christian man, I've noticed for a long time now, that whenever he announces "let's pray," he immediately turns the prayer over to someone else. He does that when Gill Bates is visiting their home. Although, he doesn't reciprocate when he's at the Bates's home. Also, when Josie was in the NICU and the Gill & Kelly visited, it was Gill that prayed over Josie. Whenever Jim Bob called home from the hospital he requested that the family at home pray (nothing wrong with that ) but he didn't. Michelle was the one praying over the phone when they were in El Salvador and Josie became ill. He will ask anyone visiting to give the prayer before dinner. It was Michelle praying as she was crying, when she found out they had lost Jubille. When the large family with many adopted and physically challenged children visited them ( don't remember their names)Jim Bob said let pray for them now that they have found a home& will be settled here. Of course, he immediately turned to that dad and requested that man lead everyone in prayer. In essence, I never really hear him doing the praying. He just turns it over to someone else. Giess it runs in the family...the way Michelle turns all the work over to someone else

sandi said...

Yes,notice the only buddies JB and M have are each other! Other than the latest baby M has until it's weaned,which is none in 4 yrs.

Anonymous said...

I have stated before that it is utterly lazy and ridiculous that JB and Michelle don't have a few "buddies" of their own first. They are a waste of "2 buddies" right there, like they are a waste as parents.