Free Discussion, April, 2014

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183 comments:

Quiana said...

Also wondering why Jana is doing that BS they call Courting? I guess they just keep her chained in the basement

Anonymous said...

The Duggars spout off about God being first and foremost.. However,in their hierarchy of female submission, God is #3. They have to go through their father, then their husband THEN God. Move over dad and hubby and make way for God first. I don't buy their "God first" crap. JimBob would give his daughters free authority to pursue their own interests, careers and men. He should trust in God to guide his daughters directly and in the right, productive ways.

Willow said...

You guys, it looks like Michelle is TRYING to get pregnant. I know its not a surprise, but really... is that leaving it up to God? I think she just wants to keep getting attention. I could just hit my head on a brick wall!!! Love the kids - DON'T love Michelle (sorry!).

Irene said...

About time Michelle reaches the menopause. That will put an end to all this baby nonsense.
I should think that with Josie being so premature and Jubilee miscaried it might give them a message. Like enough is enough.
But I call it a good thing that she didn't get pregnant for over 4 years now. The baby machine is grinding to halt now.

tulip said...

Might all just be a big tease, as TLC basically promos the entire show off pregnancies. They showed JB saying they're "trying", then a syringe is filling up with blood, and a call is received with someone saying they have her "results" while JB & Michelle are hovered over the phone. This may be a test to see what her levels are to see if any more babies are even "possible" (don't need a blood test for that...even though they leave it up to God...after they said they are "trying" of course) Ugh, at ages nearly 48 & 49 years old? The tease could be completely unrelated, like checking for osteoporosis, she looks like she's continuing to shrink. Anna was also shown apparently receiving some kind of "news" holding her iphone.
I'll be honest that I am kind of interested in Jill's courting. Jill has always seemed a bit different to me, like she actually has her OWN personality. Whatever her current midwifery "education" is, at least she took a step in something she really truly loves, for her, and is continuing to press on. Unlike Jana or Jessa, and then there's Jinger who supposedly loves photography but at the age of 20 we haven't seen anything substantial come out of it. Alyssa Bates even put her "education" on hold to plan her wedding.
Jill also seems to shows a genuine "I'm in love" with this guy, which is refreshing to see because quite frankly, Jessa looks like she is already bored (and IMO never looked otherwise.) Jana & Jinger seemed hollow in all the recent interviews with the plastered smiles & yes ma'ams. And I like the fact this guy is 25 (sorry Ben), has a degree (sorry Josh), and ok he's in seminary too (maybe actually looking to give a sermon with some kind of actual education...sorry Gil Bates, Josh, etc.)
Unfortunately watching JB & Michelle mange to time & time again steal the spotlight away from everybody & anybody is what's just unbearable.

Anonymous said...

JimBob & Michelle prove time and time again that they don't leave it up to God. "Trying, testing, medical intervention..it's bs. If they really did leave it up to God, they wouldn't be stressed at all and Michelle would stop saying stupid things like: "we would loooovee more". She would first say that she loves the children she already has and it content with the litter. It's up to the Lord if there are more."

They are both attention hogs, she is a sex door-mat who has no other real purpose in this household or marriage and he is a disturbed horndog who can't grow up. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's ridiculuous.

Wampascat said...

It would be nice if Jill's new man would encourage her to follow her own dreams of attending nursing school. However, since he's hand picked and approved by "Daddy", I doubt there is ever any chance of that happening. Jill will be married and pregnant before the end of 2014. And so the cycle continues....

Rudy Tecat said...

I hope Jill and Jessa get married soon...or else, we'll have to wait until the next season of 19K&C! Unless JB is planning something for May Sweeps Month.

Anonymous said...

Re: sons in law being handpicked by JB and "clones of his beliefs"

Wouldn't it be just great if this is the con of the century on JimBob and both of these guys think there way of life is BS; after marriage, they live regular, modern lives and have TVs, Christmas trees, real dishes and wear pants! They could, still of course, attend a real church with a real congregation..I'd just love to see the new Duggar families at the beach with regular people in normal swimwear. Old Michelle and JB would be steaming....

Sharla said...

New interview with the older daughters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJnnhJVNKh4

Watch for the engagement question.

Anonymous said...

I bet anything Michelle is having a million dollar workup to see why she isn't pregnant. I know what the problem is- she is too old! If I were her OB/GYN I would have snipped off her ovaries, oops! sorry!

Ashley said...

My favorite part of the video Sharla posted was when Jinger was staring into the camera with a serious face until Jessa (?) nudged her, and then Jinger smiled and stared. Lol.

Anonymous said...

Just saw a video of Jessa and Ben being interviewed and how she interacts with Ben....
Soooo, Jessa is a bitch! So much for being sweet and submissive. I see her cracking the whip in the bedroom....

hello said...

I caught a bit of the new show and it seems like they already have Jessa walking down the aisle. It was somewhat painful to watch. Jessa is acting like a 14 year old with her first crush.

Mommy in PA said...

Just watched that YouTube interview that was posted.... Jill totally took over that entire interview, even interrupted Jana the one time she actually tried to say something. That was such a blowoff answer when Jill started going on about how it's not about outward appearance when they were asked why they have to wear modest clothes but can wear makeup/have their hair look nice/etc. Jessa has to be engaged already because of that look on her face when the engagement question was asked, but I don't think Jill is yet. Poor Jinger and Jana.... the two of them looked so bored with the whole thing, and who could blame them with Jessa and especially Jill doing all the talking. Jinger really looks like she is just biding her time until she can make her escape from it all, but Jana may never escape, she looks like she's already given up. I need to stop ranting now, cause otherwise this post may get too long!

Mandy said...

I absolutely loved John David in this episode. =D

JenTru said...

Did anyone else catch what Jessa said when she was packing for her trip to see Ben? About how soon the sisters will "all be gone for marriage, college or whatever?" College...please. Whatever? Maybe for Jinger!

Wampascat said...

On Michelle squeezing in the middle of that tiny truck... How was that more modest, exactly? Her ass had to be on the gear shift and in contact with his hand the entire time. Maybe she got a little thrill from that, but it was weird , really weird.

Andrea said...

I found the interview very telling. Jill doing all of the talking. Also, interesting when they were asked about future seasons of the show the answer was about whether or not anything interesting is happening. Jim Boob is playing us all. The whole show would come to and end if these attractive daughter didn't begin to be married off and have children of their own. No one would be interested in John David's bride, but Jill and Jessa's wedding will be a media bonanza. I hope Jinger finds her way out and takes Joy with her. Won't it be hilarious if Jinger changed her name to Ginger . . . You know the way the name should be spelt!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes, Jessa IS acting like a 14 year old with her first crush, because that's just what this is. So is Jill. These "girls" not women, have absolutely no experience in such things. They aren't even allowed to attend a church dance, wait, DANCE, they don't do that either..Andy Taylor and Helen Crump went to church dances together and were even alone....so much for wholesome Andy Griffith show,.. heathens, Aunt Bee included... so utterly ridiculuous...

hello said...

I read an interview the girls did and they said they could watch the Andy Griffith show but only the ones that didn't show romance or deception.

Not a fan said...

I noticed the "college" statement and had to giggle. I found Jessa to be rather rude at dinner with Bens parents. It may have been the editing, but it seemed as though she could not or would not answer their questions. It felt as though she was hiding her real feelings of, oh boy he's only 18.

Michelle got her taste of what real food is when she was there. Not only that she was surprised by Bens extended family. Well Michelle if you had not shunned your entire family to stay behind in Arkansas with JimBob all those years ago, you too could still be in contact with your siblings.

Allison said...

Just saw a video of Jessa and Ben being interviewed and how she interacts with Ben.... Soooo, Jessa is a bitch! So much for being sweet and submissive. I see her cracking the whip in the bedroom....

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Maybe I have a different way of seeing things, but I thought their interaction was pretty funny! He was all hemming and hawing about saying he was going to ask her to marry him, and she was sort of teasing/egging him on. It wasn't in a mean way, you could totally tell she was teasing him about the whole thing. I thought it was pretty normal and kind of refreshing from Anna's interaction with Josh which I think is to be nice at all costs. I don't think I've ever heard her make a single dig about him. Michelle is sort of in the middle... she'll sometimes voice what she doesn't like about Jim Bob but, you know, always in a very nice and loving way.

prettyflower said...

One of the duggars needs to court someone with a "C" because they have Anna, Ben, and Derick. They have A B _ D

Anonymous said...

I have wondered about Michelle's relationship, or NOT,, with her family. It's sad that these kids don't know their Ruark side. Jessa had to guess at the number of silings her mother had (I, guess,7?) she said..I wonder what Michelle was thinking when she saw Ben's family with spaghetti strap dresses and pants? She looked like a little runt among his family. That way too long hair, and that long skirt only makes her look shorter and dumpier. Not being mean, just what it appears like. The observations about Jessa's demeanor with Ben are based on more than just one clip. She seems disinterested in him and has a cold distant personality, in contrast to this kids, wanting warmth and saying nice things. I think his heart will suffer with her as she is unable to show emotion as they have been programmed.. She will, IMO, mechanically perform her marital duties with no love and affection, or she will be whipping him in bed. The Duggars are extreme in all they do

Jeanna said...

Seems that Duggar girls hemlines are getting shorter and shorter. First it was the long prairie style dresses, then the ankle length denim skirts. Now I seeing lots of knee length with the occasional knee peeking out. Hmmm....maybe Jimbob needed to loosen the rules a bit to start marrying off a few of those girls. Also isn't it a bit hypocritical that they talk about modesty, not being wrapped up in physical appearance, being careful not to "defraud" BUT every Duggar girl (even the youngest) when asked what they thought of Ben, talked about his appearance..."good looking" "handsome" "tall dark and handsome"

Ty's Mom said...

Famy just announced on her twitter that she is getting a spin-off show on TLC starting in June. Her show is going to get axed just like United States of Bates.

Faith said...

Just saw that Amy Duggar is getting her own show on TLC about her trying to make it in Nashville. UGH!!

Mommy in PA said...

Amy announced on her Instagram today that she is getting her own spin off show.

Coleen said...

Here's a blog that has a lot of Duggar pics. http://duggars.tumblr.com/
I think they might be from the kids because they are free and casual. Also, Cousin Amy's getting her own tv show? http://www.deadline.com/2014/04/tlc-programs-leah-romini-breaking-amish-duggar/ I may have to watch. 19 kids is getting kinda old and scripted.

Laura said...
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Anonymous said...

I, too have wondered about Michelle's relationship, or NOT,, with her family. It's sad that these kids don't know their Ruark side. Jessa had to guess at the number of silings her mother had (I, guess,7?) she said..I wonder what Michelle was thinking when she saw Ben's family with spaghetti strap dresses and pants? She looked like a little runt among his family. That way too long hair, and that long skirt only makes her look shorter and dumpier. Not being mean, just what it appears like. The observations about Jessa's demeanor with Ben are based on more than just one clip. She seems disinterested in him and has a cold distant personality, in contrast to this kids, wanting warmth and saying nice things. I think his heart will suffer with her as she is unable to show emotion as they have been programmed.. She will, IMO, mechanically perform her marital duties with no love and affection, or she will be whipping him in bed. The Duggars are extreme in all they do

Pecan_Sandie said...

Michelle Duggar is estranged from her siblings?

Betty said...

Michelle has been shown visiting her family in Ohio for a reunion, flew to her father's funeral, and one or two of her sisters were in early episodes visiting her. That doesn't look like shunning to me.

Coleen said...

Fashion wise, it does appear that the Duggars and even the Bates have loosened the reigns. But I'm not surprised. Some strict religious families will do it out of fear of the older children breaking free and influencing the younger ones. Notice how the little kids dress nothing like their older sibs at their age.

Anonymous said...

It actually made me physically ill when Jim Bob announced it was "open season", on his daughter's. Of course he also added his famous chuckle. Michelle just stands there with her adoring smile,gazing at him like he's the "king of the world." That statement showed me that those girls really are his property. I would be furious if my husband announced "open season" on our beautiful & beloved daughters.

Anonymous said...

I'm not ready to make any unkind remarks about Jessa's relationship with Ben. I think she see's it as a way out of that house. Jim Bob is well aware that he will still have control over both of them, if they marry. Jim Bob has already made the statement that there will be plenty of work for Ben in their area. I wish Jessa & Ginger (correct spelling) would just leave and get a little apartment and pursue some type of jobs that would be of interest to them. Maybe there is a kind lawyer out there, willing to fight for the girls share of the TLC money. I'm sure Josh is getting his share. Just because they are girls doesn't mean they aren't entitled to the money. I suppose that's a foreign concept in Duggarland...a woman with her own money!

Anonymous said...

It seems like everyone has noticed the blank, sad look & hollow eyes Jana has of late. Does anyone else think something might have happened to her at these "Journey to the Heart " trips she's been on over the last couple of years? What's wrong with her mother that she can't see that there is something seriously wrong with this young woman. I'm worried about her.

Anonymous said...

Did any of Michelle's family attend Josh and Anna's wedding? If they did, they were hidden under the pews. I don't remember much interaction with them. So, what is the status of her relationship with her siblings? They don't address it or show them interacting at all. Her family is of a more moderate belief system, therefore, I doubt that she has much need for them. I hope I'm wrong.

Allison said...

Fashion wise, it does appear that the Duggars and even the Bates have loosened the reigns. But I'm not surprised. Some strict religious families will do it out of fear of the older children breaking free and influencing the younger ones. Notice how the little kids dress nothing like their older sibs at their age.

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Personally, I think this stems from the Duggars have more moolah for nicer clothes. The majority of the clothes the girls wore as kids were handmade dresses from some prairie design at Joann's or something. The farther along they got in the series, the more normal the clothes and I attribute that to more money and also less time for Michelle to sew because of all their speaking engagements.

Cassia said...

Why are they asking a newly courting (very young, inexperienced) couple "Where will you live after you're married?". My fiancé and I didn't get that question until after the engagement was announced. That is putting a lot of pressure on Ben & Jessa. These courtships are traditionally very short but I don't think either of them (especially Ben) is ready. If they do marry, JB won't let them wander too far from the Duggar compound.

tulip said...

Just read on Zap2it that TLC will air a special spin off in June called A Duggar Leaves Home following Amy's move to Nashville as she follows her dreams to be a singer...Omg, is this the "secret" she's been referring to?. Double Ugh & eye roll...Wow, how did I not see this coming?

wampascat said...

Well, for one thing, poor Jana probably doesn't get a bit of sleep at night. It looks like she has two or three little ones in her bed and one sleeping crosswise. Michelle needs to get her lazy ass up and take care of her own kids instead of laying around in the love nest with Jim Bob.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I too am concerned about Jana. There is no light in her eyes. She smiles, but it's a hollow smile. What is wrong with her mother not to see this? What's up with her grandmother? Doesn't Mrs. Duggar Sr notice and do something for this sweet young girl? Grandma is her only hope.
She used to love to play the harp and was proficient in it. Suddenly she "developed an interest" in doula with Jill; yeah, right. I think she was forced to be Jill's accountability buddy on top of something else very seriously going on with her.

sandi said...

In all fairness,(and I do like fair consideration,even though I don't agree w they way the Duggars do most things),I think Michelle's family may just not want to be on tv,and that they didn't seem to enjoy the spotlight when they were on.I can understand that,I would be the same way and want my privacy as well.
I think one of the cousins was on as well,helping John David with the towing,iirc.
I would also like to see the cousin MacKynzie was named for.She must be on Michelle's side.

sandi said...

I think Josh gets a separate check for his famaily being on the show,I would venture to say.That's why they always have to put in the effort to at least make a showing.No show=no check.
I suspect tlc had them update their wardrobe in order to get more viewers by making them appear more mainstream.I did have to laugh at the 'some of us might be going off to college' comment by the girls recently though.We all know that's not going to happen.

Anonymous said...

This Jessa/Ben courtship is hard to watch. She seems so disinterested in him and is only answering questions in the way people want her to, not from her heart. Jill, on the other hand, is like a teeny bopper with her first crush. She seems giddy and loopy, which at least is a little easier to watch. I don't think Jessa is even remotely "crushing" on Ben. The way she acts around him reminds me of when I was a teenager and my super annoying twin cousins came to visit. I had to be nice to them and be their friend because they were the same age, but inside I was just counting down the days until they left. I would not at all be surprised to find out the whole Ben/Jessa courtship was a plot cooked up by Jim Bob to keep the show running.

lily said...

Our Carpenter and his large family lived by Gothards standards. They were also very active in the ATI program and lived a compatible life to the Duggars. When his children hit their late teens they started to rebel which fractured Our Carpenters relationship with his wife. This schism caused the end of his marriage as well as his children moving far away from home, living in the real world. He told us His oldest son is the only one of his children out of 16 that has anything to do with him or his ex wife. The rest have disowned their parents. Even though his kids were homeschooled and protected from the outside world somehow their observations of how normal people lived, what they wore and how they figured the real world wasn't as bad as their parents were teaching them, made them fall away from their strict upbringing and their parents beliefs. Now there is heartache for their father and he curses the day he ever got his ex wife and children involved with Gothard, ATI, Quiverfull Movement and strict beliefs. He told us he has lost his family because of Gothard.

Anonymous said...

They show this family visiting the Bates far more than JimBob's local sister and certainly they haven't shown any of Michelle's family since her father passed away to my knowledge. On the subject of siblings, it has been posted that one of Anna's sisters, Esther, is in financial distress living in a pop up tent with her 7 kids (all of whom have no choice in this lifestyle. Why don't Josh and Anna who are worth 500K+, do some of the "Christian charity work" and help her own nieces and nephews? I think ignoring need in your own backyard is also wrong.

Dar said...

I watched the Duggars after the Little Couple. These fine, Christian, educated people invested a lot of time, emotion and finances to adopt these two adorable little children. Nothing was easy for them, but they handled everything with grace and dignity. Watching this little woman going through Chemotherapy and still trying to keep "hands on" with the care of those children was inspiring.

Michelle and Jim think nothing of handing over the care of their little ones to big sisters. Chaperoning their daughters and Michelle stuck in the middle of the front seat so the young people don't touch one another was one of the most ridiculous spectacles I have seen. How can anyone possibly take anything they say or do seriously? That is some strong bubble in which they live. She has the gall to say that they are praying about "adoption". What a joke. I really think that would never happen. If it did, Jana should head for the nearest airport.

Dar said...

They talk about defrauding all the time. In my view, every time they preach Gothard's way of life, that is exactly what they are doing.

There are people around there who try to emulate Michelle and JimBob's life. They have child after child, constantly wearing out the body and no one to help. They do not have the financial resources of the Duggars. It is a disaster waiting to happen. Mchelle is the Queen Bee. Others do not have that luxury.

Anonymous said...

Michelle is the Queen Bee? In whose court? Duggarland? That doesn't count as it's Fantasyland over there...They have to realize that their way of thinking doesn't work, in fact, neither do their daughters...so if we all lived like they do, who would be the nurses, teachers, and what are traditionally women's jobs.. also there would be NO female physicians,, lawyers, professionals at all..How do they respond to that?

Anonymous said...

I think they just found modern clothes that met modesty standards. They are selling the lifestyle. Marketing is everything.

Anonymous said...

Michelle has always said she loves her Christian female OB/GYN. There are many Christian women who work as doctors, nurses, attorneys, surgeons, and other professions. Somewhere there are Christian parents who send their children to college to be in those professions. I admire that the Duggars are a close knit family. Maybe the Duggars will address some of the tougher questions that keep popping up. They are talking about courting, so maybe another question and answer show????? Love the pants picture. After all, Grandma Duggar wears pants.

Anonymous said...

Yes, there are Christian professionals in the workforce, but there won't be one from this family. They don't believe in it. I would like to say that it's a shame that they don't give their daughters an option because they believe it is a sin for their daughters to work in regular jobs. It's evident. They are now a wealthy family who can afford to educate their children in a properly accredited Christian college and get a BS or BA degree; but they won't. Such a waste.

Anonymous said...

Re; Michelle having the blood drawn and then showing them both on the phone waiting for the results. I'm sure it has to do with if she can get pregnant,as I don't think Jim Bob would be that interested in whether or not she had osteoarthritis

Willow said...

No, sadly they will not let women have "regular" jobs/professions. They believe the women must be at home to homeschool, wait on their husbands, be available for sex 24/7, etc. Also, I believe many of them really feel women could easily be led astray "out in the world" without supervision. My cousins actually attended a church that taught this. The good news is they are not the mainstream of Christians. If everyone followed their lead, there would be a severe shortage of professional and other workers, wouldn't there? Perhaps that is what certain men really want. (They really are very muslim-like in so many ways). JMO

Anonymous said...

If I were Mrs. Keller, I would NOT want this lifestyle for my daughters. Anna is a young woman of 25 and look how she has aged in these 5 years. It takes a terrible toll on a woman's body to repeatedly be pregnant, move to a new place and constantly travel with newborns and little children. She is now trying to navigate in the real world, DC, with 3 small kids in tow. She looked like a pack mule with 2 kids in the stroller and one strapped to her chest. Certainly can't be good for her back! Those flip flops are unsafe and give her no protection for her feet. It is a ridiculous sight to see.

Her sisters, are in worse shape than she. Where is the motherly concern and love in both of her parents? I saw an earlier episode of Priscilla when she was younger and single. She seemed to speak more intelligently than she does now. Shouldn't it be the other way around? what happened to her while at Gothard's offices? She has married and regressed!

Saw the Honduras episode yesterday, can't believe that lazy Queen Michelle! She was home with 7 kids 9yrs old and under. Her mother in law was there too, so she had support when JB and the older ones were gone. Yet, she schemed to have Priscilla stay with her and take care of HER kids for her! She should have thought about taking care of them when she was "conceiving them". what a lazy bum she is.. She needed 2 helpers to tend to 7 kids. Many moms do it themselves and have for years.. Many of them are mostly self sufficient by 9 yrs old. Says a lot about Michelle and it's not flattering. Also shows how the girls do all the work.

Mandy said...

Zach and Whitney are expecting according to the Bates blog:
http://blog.thebatesfamily.com/2014/04/07/belated-valentines-day-post/

Anonymous said...

Plain and simple; here it is: JimBob sold their "Christian" lifestyle to TLC. He is cashing in on what they claim to be religious beliefs. If they truly wanted to "minister" their views, they would do the show for no pay and donate their time as a true ministry. Since that isn't so, their lifestyle is a business IMO.

Also, I hope Jana realizes that is is her parents who NEED HER, and that she doesn't need them. She is completely domestically self sufficient, unlike Michelle. She should take her money and run. She would make an excellent preschool teacher in the school system, even a private Christian school. I bet you dollars to doughnuts that her parents make her feel that she needs them so she won't go.

I, also am so utterly tired of hearing the same ole cliches'. That family cannot complete a sentence without one or two of them. The recite very well, but I'm sure can't really explain "character" if asked to do so. That would be a good challenge for them to be asked on camera, to speak a paragraph about themselves without using any of those tired old words.. It couldn't be done...

Anonymous said...

re: The time Michelle was at home with what was described as; "Limited Help." It was ridiculous. It seemed to me that the; limited help did all the work. Grandma did her usual work and Anna was also there to help, as well as Priscilla. The only thing I saw Michelle do was sing to the children after Priscilla had them all ready for bed. In fact, they were in bed when Michelle showed up and decided to put them to sleep with a hymn; "Jesus Loves You." I also remember when Pricilla was dressing one of the little girls to go over to Josh & Anna's house for dinner. She was putting boots on the little girl ( don't remember which one maybe, Hannie?) Priscilla was looking everywhere for a pair of socks and the little girl said " oh I don't ever wear socks. Guess Priscilla thought since it was winter(snow on the ground) maybe she should have socks on her feet.

Judy said...

I'm happy for Jill that she picked a more educated, older guy and seems to have managed to fall in love on her own, but Jill also has such promise. Im worried that if she marries later this year, she'll be pregnant by fall and that will be the end of midwifery for her.

Not a Fan said...

Did I miss something? I thought I remember seeing Michelle on a clip answering a phone call for results of blood work. Yet I must have missed it in the episode tonight. Unless that was a tease for the rest of the season.

To comment on tonights episode... There is nothing wrong with holding hands. And why can't they go on double dates with their friends? I get the need to discuss the "relationship" with the parents, mine asked plenty when my husband and I were dating. But, they also knew where to not go with their questioning. And for jimbob to say to talk to him before holding hands is just plain and simple stupid. IMO. Jessa really does not seem to like him at all. She seems like she puts him down and she doesn't even want to hold his hand. I get that there is a nervousness there. But these girls are just that, GIRLS.

Anonymous said...

Dear Friends on the Blog: After last night episodes, I truly believe that anyone that continues to watch the Duggars on TLC, ( and believe me I include myself) should call the nearest psychiatrist. It doesn't need to be the best psychiatrist, just the one you can get an appointment with the soonest. Perhaps we can get a group rate!

Anonymous said...

Re: Judy' comment on Jill's midwifery days. I believe you can forget about that. She's like a young teenager with her 1st love, because that is exactly what it is. If she was in public school she would be in the girl's bathroom telling her friends all about this romance. I don't know why it's taken her so long with her midwifery training anyway. She could have gone to LPN school for just a yea(or less, some places) and be a Licensed Practical Nurse and make a decent salary.

Haley said...

I disagree that the Duggars are very "Muslim-like." I have many friends and family members who are Muslim, and are much more liberal than the Duggars in their dress, professional lives, etc

Judy said...

I can't stop watching!! Don't make me!

Judy said...

It is very hard to become a midwife, and can take years of study. I'm sure Jill's been only doing it part time.

Wampascat said...

Sad that this is the very first time Michelle has ever tried to play chess with her son , Jeremiah. He's been playing six years. Shows how much time she really spends one on one with her kids when it comes to their interests.

Jeremiah also said his Grandpa taught him how to play. Would that be the worthless, heathen father of Jim Bob? I' m surprised they would allow a chessboard in the house.

Now, we have buddy groups? Gee, Michelle can think up all sorts of creative ways NOT to raise her own offspring. I also thought it was interesting how the little kids fear Jana like they should fear their parents when they are being little brats.

tulip said...

Wow, Whit must have gotten pregnant on their honeymoon, maybe the wedding night even, married on Dec. 14 & announced they were expecting on Valentine's Day. I have to say I really thought they would be the ones to wait it out, even if they said they would leave it up to God, not use birth control etc., I could still see Whitney maybe using the calendar method secretly. Why are they all always acting like it's a race to see who can conceive the quickest after the wedding night. As far as I could see, Anna's supply of test sticks in the desk drawer at the carlot revealed the hidden competition among those that are "leaving it up to God".

Willow said...

Thanks for the info Haley. I apologize if I misspoke. :)

Elspeth said...

Whitney is due in October which means conception occurred in January.

Anonymous said...

Re: Judy's comment on how long it takes to become a midwife. You can become a Registered Nurse, with an associates degree in 2 years. Believe me they are more knowledgeable than a midwife.

tulip said...

Now I see Kelly mentioned Zach & Whit's due date would be just weeks apart from what Chad & Erin's would have been (Oct.)... they won't even have been married a year before having a new baby. Looks like they're already getting thrown into life full speed ahead as it is, the last time they even updated their own blog was Feb. 13. And Kelly broke the news on the family blog, you think Zach & Whit would have wanted to put it out their first regardless of the fact more people prob. look at the family blog. IMO, just an opportunity for Gil & Kelly to take credit for it, just like the kind of stunt JB & Michelle would pull.

Anonymous said...

You can get an associates degree in nursing in 2 yrs and become an RN, but a Certified Nurse Midwife (CNM) takes a Master's degree, and hundreds of supervised clinical hours with another CNM or MD, and passing a national certification exam. Most CNM have years of nursing experience prior to starting their Master's degree. Getting hospital privileges is another story-requires criminal background check, references, and meeting with the credentialing board of the hospital. Not to mention getting a DEA number in your state to prescribe medications. Let's not mix up this doula thing with the CNM, or an associates degree.

Coleen said...

Arkansas allows lay midwives and both Jill and Jana are training.

http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/programsServices/familyHealth/WomensHealth/Documents/LicensedMidwifeApprentices.pdf

Anonymous said...

Re; Anonymous' comments about the education required for a midwife. Are you sure those requirements mentioned are not for a "Nurse Practitioner?" Those are requirements for that profession. As far as the "Cory Check" & Sory Check" go, they are now required for almost every job out there. Even volunteers must undergo the Cory (criminal) Check as well as the "Sory" (sexual misconduct background)Check.

Anonymous said...

Re: Anonymous' comments on the education required for a "Certified Nurse Midwife?" Those are the requirements for a "Nurse Practitioner." As far as the background checks go,these days for almost every job out there today, a "Cory Check" (criminal check) as well as a "Sory Check" ( (sexual misconduct background check,) are mandatory. .

Anonymous said...

RE: Anonymous comments about a Certified Midwife. I believe that Jill was training to be a "lay midwife." No licensure involved and not all those years of schooling. Jana was going along as her chaperone and her parents were saying Jana was studying to be a Doula. She said more than once on air that she really wasn't all that interested in becoming a Doula. She actually stated that their patents always wanted the two of them to go along together. I do believe Jill really did love that work and would have been very good at it. I really don't believe she'll stay with it now

Elspeth said...

Lay midwives in Arkansas must obtain a state license to practice. Jana had begun training as a doula but at some point in the last year had signed up for midwife training and was on the state apprentice list. Whether she will continue, who knows?

Anonymous said...

I didn't mean that Jill was training to be a "Certified Midwife," with hospital privileges ,DEA numbers etc. I only meant if she truly wanted to be involved in the medical field , she could do it a number of ways that didn't require years of schooling. She could be an LPN(1 yr) or an RN with an associates degree(2rs.) It doesn't matter much now as that's not going to happen. Also, her parents would never have allowed her to become a "Certified Midwife" with all the schooling involved outside the Duggar compound.

Nancy said...

Derick will be in school for another year in his grad studies online through the Southern Baptist seminary. Plenty of time for Jill to finish up her lay midwifery requirements.

Totally out of left field...Priscilla Keller-Waller is knocked up, due in mid-November. Here are a couple mind numbing videos to commemorate the news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-9FjhPMrFo#t=30

Pris ruminates on Motherhood (poor girl):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx1038M4Fy8

sandi said...

If Jana doesn't want to be a doula anymore,then I really hope she gives it up and plays her harp instead.She really seems to enjoy that,and with a doula,one has to really be into it to be of any help to the mothers in labor.I thought it looked like she wasn't really into it,just sitting there patting the mother's hand.A doula really has to put aside their own emotions and take on the mother's feelings in order to help,and I just didn't think she appeared all that interested in what she was doing.

Faith said...

Just wanted to mention that Anna's sister Priscilla is pregnant with her 2nd child.

Michigander1969 said...

Here it is 5 semesters of clinicals alone and there are no summer clnicals. Definitely more than two years especially adding in all prerequisites.

Midwives are trained espcially in all things pertaining to that. I would say a cardiac nurse or an oncology nurse would not know as much as a midwife.

For the record, we use the SOTDRT and one of ours was a state licensed LPN by 18 and a state licensed RN by 19. Another child finished a business program by 19 and bought a house all on her own with no co-signed by 21. Some of us take the SOTDRT seriously! :-)

Rudy Tecat said...

On the bright side, Kelly Bates writes that Erin is back at school and will graduate this Spring.

Anonymous said...

Watching the indentured serventued of the Duggar daughters for years is beyond disturbing. The level of control they JB maintains over the brood is not healthy for anyone. This is a free country and it takes all kinds.

Anonymous said...

Interesting the daughters ambitions all seem to be with regards to pregnancy and child rearing. Not even raising necessarily. This is not the brand if Christianity I am raising my kids with. They are being prepared to live in this world, not apart from it. Hopefully shine a light on it.

Anonymous said...

Having viewed an earlier episode in which Priscilla Kellar stayed to babysit Michelle's kids, becaue Queen Michelle didn't know how to take care of her own kids, Priscilla was a younger, single young woman. How is it that at that time she spoke more articulately and clearly than now. She has regressed since marriage. Shouldn't it work the other way? She now sounds drugged.
I guess that's what "marital relations" with David will do to you.

Also, noticed Joy's slight speech impediment. If she isn't adjusting to invisalign braces, I haven't noticed this before with her. My suggestion is that they line her up with the younger kids, and McKynzye and get those group discounts for real professional" in their office" speech therapy asap. Poor speech isn't cute past 5 yrs old. Once again, I don't think the parents will give their kids the attention they need.

Elspeth said...

I've watched that Priscilla clip multiple times and she sounds the same to me then and now. She had the same awkward phrasing and barely able to communicate style.

Willow said...

To me, Erin B and Priscilla have the worst "sweetness" speech. Michelle and Jinger have it also. Jana's sounds a little more like it is her natural way. The other girls sound pretty much o.k., for the most part. I agree that Priscilla sounds odd. I think she is probably a sweet girl and I feel bad for her.

Anonymous said...

Choosing to existing in a fishbowl but bubble like existence it's interesting. Maybe we are living in the end times. The Family are borderline preppers it seems in some ways. I'm all for self suffieciency but the isolation the seperation from society's norms is a little extreme.

imaamy said...

Re: the videos that Nancy linked. I could only last through half of the longer one. In the past I've just thought Pris was a ditz, but she really seems altered in this one. Thumbprints not cookie cutters? Pressed in Jesus' image? Make sure your kid knows Dad is his glory? Oh my, they seem much more extreme than J and A or M and JB.

sandi said...

If I didn't know better,I'd think poor Priscilla was high on something.She speaks in a very flowery way.Almost like hippies in the 70's.
That said,I do feel bad for her,and I have to wonder about why it is she said she cries at night, asking God to help her be a better wife and mother.Is someone putting those ideas into her head by being critical of her?

sandi said...

Re: chaparones.My dad could be quite conservative,but even he didn't want us girls to have a chaparone,because he thought it looked bad for either 2 girls and one boy to be in a car together,and even worse was one girl and 2 guys to be out together.Have the Duggars,Bates and all not ever thought of that?

Anonymous said...

Why do people think Michelle is such an expert on being a mother when all she really did was conceive and deliver these kids? She brings Jana with her for Josie's doc appts because the doctors ASK QUESTIONS about Josie and Jana is the one who can answer them! Some mother expert Michelle is, yeah,right...Baloney

Wampascat said...

I thought the exact same thing about Priscilla's speech. She sounds like one of the Manson girls. If I was crying every night about my baby, I sure wouldnt be getting pregnt with a second one. Maybe she's really crying because she knows deep down what her husband really is . Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

I said the same thing about Priscilla sounding drugged when she "spoke". Don't know what's going on with that poor girl, but where is HER family? How can they not notice that something isn't right there? Her mother, most of all should be on top of things, and you'd think that Anna, being more worldly, would talk to her mom about it, oh, yeah, I think Anna doesn't care too much for Priscilla and always wanted to be "one up" on her sis.SO NOT GODLY.

Nancy Ann said...

So in the People article with Jessa and Ben, it says that the little kids are worried about how life will change as the older girls get married and leave the house. Well, yes, I am sure it is sad and scary for the little ones, because they have been raised by the older girls. So in the article, Michelle says she tells the little kids that they will still get to visit their sisters, just like they visit Josh and Anna now. Gosh, I think I would have reassured the little ones that "mommy is still here with you and I'm not going anywhere" or something like that. I just thought Michelle's response was very strange for a mother who still has preschool age children. What is wrong with her that she is so detached from mothering?

Anonymous said...

I think Priscilla has it harder than she expected. These child brides are taught if you tow the line, stay virginal/unkissed until your wedding day, your life will be perfect and the sex will be phenominal. Such a lying shame. I bet that David is a tyrant at home and is the one who cuts her confidence down to size, as she doesn't seem to have a lot of it to begin with. She definitely has regressed since marriage; a troublesome thought.Doesn't she tell her mother that she cries at night? Where is her mom? Certainly, I don't think that the Kellars would let their daughter suffer. But you know, they shunned one of their daughters and kicked her to the curb when she didn't want to live like them and to my knowledge haven't reached out to her, now, an unwed mother. Their daughter, Esther, is in poverty living in a tent with all her kids and "husband of the year", too. those poor grandkids need the Kellars to step in and rectify that situation, but they don't ....WWJD? they should ask themselves.

Betty said...

The Kellers didn't shun their daughter. That's just a silly rumor.

Coleen said...

What saddens me the most about the Duggars is that their kids are forced to perform to a script in their real lives. The younger children are effected by being taped all the time. I remember seeing the original movie, "Yours, Mine, and Ours" and thinking what a cool family. Well, the son released a book (http://www.montereycountyweekly.com/archives/2013/0711/article_05c5fba8-e9b8-11e2-8f99-001a4bcf6878.html) that portrays the real family in a different light. Sadly, I think in a few years a Duggar book will be released and Lifetime will make a movie.

sandi said...

I'm wondering what is with the unflattering pic of Jessa and Ben in People mag.I'm not sure it's the cover,but maybe it is?
Jessa is showing her knees...I thought that was forbidden? And Ben...that is a very unflattering 'down there' shot beside her knees.That couldn't be an accident.
I'm wondering why they didn't just do a head shot of them.I guess it's just something to provide more talk.

Willow said...

They (the "cult") think that if the ladies speak in baby voices, it proves they are "keeping it sweet". Priscilla's husband has a high position in the Gothard movement so he probably has high expectations for her. I pray he is not abusive. I believe Priscilla and David were in their mid-20's when they married. I don't think her parents would dream of interfering in her life, because she and David are living the lifestyle and are a visible, walking advertisement for their way of life. They are probably thrilled with it all. (Ditto for Anna). Keeps the K's relevant.

As for their sister Esther - I really would like to know if they picked her husband for her and what their "religion" would advise them to do in such a situation. They probably don't like the publicity but are they "allowed" to intervene for the children? We all know what we would do, but I am not so sure about what they would be advised to do.

Anonymous said...

So, the Kellars have a loving relationship with Suzanna, is that the one with the child out of wedlock? We never see her, nor is she mentioned. If they reached out to her in a real time of need, I commend them for doing what the Lord would have done. I have heard otherwise. Why don't they help Esther and her children? As a mother, I'd never let it happen, and I'd tell my husband so, and I'd tell him to help his own daughter first. Tough luck hubby, we have a God given responsibility as parents first.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible that Pris is suffering from Post part. blues?

Faith said...

My take on the Priscilla video that people are referring to here is from a positive perspective. She talks a lot about looking at other mothers/wives and comparing herself to them. I think MANY women, including myself, do that, especially when you're a first-time mom and you really want to do the best for your child and family. I think she's encouraging women not to compare themselves to other women... and that's an important lesson, and a life-long one.
With regards to her "crying" at night to God... I don't think we should assume she is being literal here. This type of wordage ("crying out to the Lord"/"crying to the Lord") appears a number of times in the Bible, so she could be using the phrase in describing her praying to God to help her...

Allison said...

While I do think Priscilla has that crazy "sweet" voice (and I think it's a LOT worse than Michelle, who I think is actually getting a little bit better now that her kids are getting older), I didn't think she said anything that weird. "Crying out" to the Lord is a very common phrase in evangelical circles. I've heard it a lot and I don't think it means she's actually crying. I also think that most moms struggle with comparison. Most people struggle with comparison! That's hardly weird. She actually sounded surprisingly normal considering...

sandi said...

I don't know if the Kellers helped Esther to meet her husb.,but according to the FJ site,they did approve of her marrying him,even though he didn't have a job at the time.They said they knew God would provide.
Don't be quick in assuming..according to the FJ site,John has raised thousands of dollars,inc. the funding of an airplane (waiting for him in Zambia) and pilot lessons,for their mission trip.Now he's asking for,(and just may get?)70K for a new vehicle to take to Zambia beforehand,so he won't have to pay duty on it (if he gets it later he would have to).He also spent about 8K in airline tickets recently for the family to get there,and he himself has been there 2x.That can't be cheap.
Yes, they do stay in the camper when traveling for the deputation (i.e.-raising money for the mission trip),but for now, they appear to be in a church basement.
I've no idea what kind of life and housing they will be in once there,other than missionary life.
I know there are concerns he has not gotten the proper vaccines and meds for the family,to protect them from diseases in Zambia,but I don't know how accurate that is.
Just some thoughts.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that the reason Michelle gave during an episode interview about why the kids don't go to college is that she and JimBob don't have a college education! I almost fell off my chair! What an idiot. Every parent wants better for their own kids and sounded actually jealous that they would have the chance to go and they didn't. Those two parents are anything BUT parents, they breed and control... so not parenting.

They need to get rid of that "multiple shirt look" on the daughters, it doesn't hide the female outline one bit.. it's so hot in Arkansas during the summer it's a joke.. One person they would be merciful to, is Grandma, the laundress. Her workload would be cut in half. Don't they think of that poor old woman? Michelle is so selfish and lazy it isn't funny. It's becoming apparent that more and more that she does absolutely nothing. I'd be ashamed of myself if I were her.

Anonymous said...

Michelle does nothing? She smiles adoringly up to her husband (and she must have a stiff neck), then she frowns down on her children (the little ones at least). Also she smiles straight into the cameras, maybe to relieve (correct word?) her neck. Other than that: she teaches the children, delegates work to her daughters, gets kissed by hubby, chaperones her daughters, delegates work to her mother in law, adores her husband, oh no, I already had that, sends the younger kids to the older kids, takes care that she does not get fat, goes on dates with her husband, writes her blog, answers questions, works on Nr. 20, visits the doctor about that, travels the States, has guests to entertain, I mean talking to them here, and all in all she does not have time for more, if you look at it from the correct side.... :-)
I do not mean to be mean. It is just an observation from the TLC-Clips.
But she does do the teaching and with 11 kids left, that is still a lot of teaching. Even if the others help there as well.

Anonymous said...

Re :Anonymous comments on Michelle's "work load." I really don't think she put all that much time into teaching the children that remain at home. I base that on how poorly educated they seem.
Also, they are always on the road for some cause or politician and I can't see how they can be taught on that bus!

Anonymous said...

It was said a while ago that the "scholar Michele," doesn't teach the kids anymore, one of the older girls is supposed to do it. Once again, Michelle gets out of doing something, if you call it that. MOTY? for neglect, aloofness, laziness, YESSSS

Umm (mother of) Madiha said...

I 'm guessing that you have not had any real interactions with Muslims, specifically Muslim women since you have aligned us with the Duggars/ Gothard followers. First of all, Muslim women are highly educated. Allah (swt) has decreed that all Muslims should seek knowledge both religious and educational in this life.The majority of the women in my husbands family are doctors, dentists, engineers, or teachers. All have at least a Masters degree and most work outside the home and those who don't chose to stay home to raise their children. I hardly know a Muslim woman who does not have at least an associates degree. Islam highly regards the roIe of Mother and so it is encouraged that a woman stay home with her children . I am a convert to Islam and no woman in my family, aside from myself has gone to college. Just because we cover our hair and bodies does not mean we are empty headed sheeps. I'm afraid you are basing your opinion on biased media and backward cultures in the middle east and Indian subcontinent that did not exist until they were colonized. I encourage you to seek out a Muslim sister and learn about Islam and what Islam says about women (not culture, as it many times goes against the basic fundamentals of Islam).

Willow said...

To Mother of Madiha: A very sweet commenter named Haley already corrected me and I already apologized for misspeaking. My comment sounded like I was referring to education, but I really was thinking of the women in certain countries who cannot leave the house without supervision. I was really -in my mind- referring to the supervision issue. I am not an expert on this subject, but I have very close friends who are Iranian-American and Muslim and I do know their men and women are very educated. You are so right about that. I was not trying to align Muslims with the Duggars at all. Sorry I didn't put a little more thought into my comment.

Anonymous said...

This is disturbing...
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/15/lawsuit-reveals-teen-was-groomed-as-personal-sex-slave-in-the-duggar-familys-movement/

geistmadl said...

Jessa is bored with the courtship and on the RV last night when JB was grillling them she was so annoyed but quickly masked it. I think Ben can bullshit Dad but he isn't mature. But Jessa will rule when they get married cause she wants out of dad's clutches! And they will have TV and cable!

Anonymous said...

I agree Jana looks sad most of the time

sandi said...

I took it that Jessa was fed up with Jim Bob's questions.She practically rolled her eyes when he was talking! Yes she reined it in quickly though.I wonder if she wold have done so if the cameras had not been around? I also wonder if her parents gave her a stern talking to later over it.
And Michelle,you can eat a banana normally without picking it apart.I would rather she that than the antics that were pulled on the mini golf course.

Anonymous said...

Does Michelle even remember that she has Jana? HER DAUGHTER??? I think she "sees" her as the cook/nanny/housekeeper. This young woman needs a life, ASAP.

Anonymous said...

Re: The comment about Michelle no longer doing the teaching and that one of the older girls now doing the teaching. I thought someone checked the requirements and found that the older girls were not qualified to do the teaching. They could be like a teachers aide but nothing more.

Anonymous said...

How is Michelle qualified to"homeschool"? Why would the daughters, who were taught by her, need to be qualified. I never heard of Michelle taking a qualifications homeschool fitness exam by the state or county school board. It's just some long ago high school graduate, with marriage on her senior year mind, doing the teaching..her daughters are just as unqualified as she is.

MandySue said...

Arkansas Homeschooling Regulations:

http://www.arkansased.org/public/userfiles/Learning_Services/Charter%20and%20Home%20School/Home%20School-Division%20of%20Learning%20Services/Home%20School-Rules%20Governing%20Home%20School.pdf



Ashley said...


In my state, the homeschool teacher has to be either the parent or a certified teacher/tutor. I think there is a percentage of hours that they have to spend with the teacher/parent. The rest can be spent with someone else doing the instruction. Arkansas' homeschooling laws look pretty lenient to me. I didn't see anything in the link posted above that said there was a minimum number of hours per year or any requirements about who can teach. If I'm interpreting that link correctly, it's pretty easy to see how the Duggars are able to homeschool the way they do.

TeachEmGood said...

Arkansas only requires homeschooling parents to provide information about their "educational qualifications," which simply indicates how many years of education they have (beginning with 6 and continuing up to college graduate). There is no minimum education requirement or test for parent educators.

Anonymous said...

I remember when they were in Little Rock when Josie was born. Jinger was sitting at a computer & said she was helping out with schooling while Michelle was at Josie's bedside. We never saw the little ones doing their work & only heard what Jinger said about helping with the schoolwork,(of course, it was one of the girls because who ever heard of a male school-teacher?) Jinger said she checked what the kids did on the computer. It always seemed to me that they were very young to do all their work on a computer,but they had a lot of computers there in that house, we saw them move them into the house. Someone from Arkansas looked into regulations & said it wasn't legal for someone Jinger's age, at that time to be responsible for the kids schooling. Although, we never saw her teaching. After that, quite a number of times Michelle went on & on about life being a classroom & she always told her children they could learn anything they wanted to wherever they went. Therefore, many field trips then followed.

Rudy Tecat said...

The two scariest moments on 19K were:
1) on an episode a few years ago, JB had to unstop a toilet... Michelle told him that James had reported it to her, and JB misunderstood that James had stopped it up... the look of real terror on James' face when JB turned to him was frightening, as if JB was about to hit him!
2) on the bus going to Erin Bates' wedding, when Jessa spoke back to JB about being "love sick"... JB kept the smirk on his face (because of the camera in his face?) but the eyes narrowed and shifted and he looked pretty scary. I think Jessa is just aching to get out of that house, she'll marry the first guy to come around. And, in another couple years, we'll have the first tell-all book and the first Hallmark Channel movie about the Duggars.

hello said...

Their whole goal is to keep their children as uneducated as possible. It makes it easier for Jimboob and Michelle to control them without any outside influences. Thanks to TLC, Their whole life is one big field trip. Not everyone is cut out to go to college, but they should at least have a high school education. Josh used to talk about wanting to be a lawyer, but that would be impossible with a SOTDRT diploma. Instead he is "working" for a hate group. Jill will give up being a midwife as soon as she gets married. She will start popping out babies as soon as she says I do. The girls have been trained since birth that their purpose in life is to be wives and mothers. They are in no way encouraged to get an education or to have a career. Michelle went to public school, was a cheerleader, played sports and dated boys. Good thing Jimboob came along and saved her from maybe going to college and having a career.

Leigh Ann said...

" And, in another couple years, we'll have the first tell-all book and the first Hallmark Channel movie about the Duggars."
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It won't be a Hallmark movie, it'll be a Lifetime movie! Hallmark movies are all warm and fuzzy, Lifetime doesn't sugar-coat anything!

Anonymous said...

I remember Michelle visiting & reminiscing with her dearest friend and another cheerleader "Cindy." I was surprised that Michelle even did a cheer that she remembered. Of course, her daughter Jana (who had accompanied her on the visit)had to sit there and listen to them talk about all the trips they took as cheerleaders & sleepovers they had. I often wondered if Michelle would have been doing the cheer and remembering her cheerleader days if Jim Bob had been there. Jim Bob once said that Michelle & Cindy were such good friends, that they talked on the phone everyday. That's quite a feat with all those kids.

Anonymous said...

I am really wondering when Jana is going to begin courting. She is only 24 and I do not consider that "old" because personally I probably won't get married until I am closer to 30. However, just looking at the fact that Josh got married at 20, Jill is 22 and Jessa has been courting since she was 20…it seems rather strange that Jana is not even in a courtship. I wouldn't be so worried if it weren't for the fact that she isn't in school, working and she is living at home. I am thinking that she is literally just cleaning the house and taking care of her younger siblings and hoping a man will come around soon. If she was in college or working full-time I wouldn't even think about it just because it would mean she's obviously keeping busy and being independent. This makes me wonder if marriage isn't in store for all of the Duggar girls…what will they do? Michelle and Jim Bob make it seem like they equip their daughters with all of the right skills to live independently but none of them have any real education that will earn them money. If Jana is 40 and still unmarried will she still be living with mom and dad and not working? I really think it would be smart that these girls got an education and a job while 'waiting' for prince charming. Even if they do get married and God forbid that marriage ends in divorce or their partner dies…how will the survive financially with a surplus of kids, a home and no education? Scary.

hello said...

Of course Michelle can talk to her friend everyday on the phone. She doesn't raise her kids or do any cooking, cleaning or laundry. Thats what the older girls are for. When she was pregnant last time she said she made time to excexercise everyday. I guess she took time off from being Jimboob's buddy as he is the only buddy she is responsible for. With Jill leaving to get married and Jessa right behind her, Joy Anna is probably being trained to have her own buddy group. I dont think Jimboob will be finding Jana a husband anytime soon. I have a feeling that she will be stuck at home for a long time. There are still a lot of little kids left to he trained.

hello said...

I totally agree. I believe that if they weren't being filmed on the bus when he was talking to Ben and Jessa, he would have let her have it for talking to him thw way she did. I think any of the kids would take the first opportunity to get out of that house even if it means marrying somebody thwy dont really know. On the courtship episode when Joy Anna was teying to teach thw younger kids a song and they started acting up, I heard her say obey now a couple of times. Then she threatened to go get Jana. It tells a lot when you threaten your siblings with an older sibling instead of mom or dad.

Anonymous said...

I think Michelle's best friend, Cindy, is a crock of bull. She has absolutely nothing in common with her high school friend. She has even less in common with her own family, which we never see, except for a family reunion, which I'm sure was purposely filmed, and her father's passing. It would have been negative publicity if Mich didn't show for her own dad's services. I don't think there is any love lost between her and her siblings. They don't buy her crap.Why would Jana have to accompany a grown, married woman on a middle aged woman's visit with her friend? Does JB think she would be unfaithful and meet some man instead? That's what is looks like to me, that's not trust at all and there isn't any trust among that family. How utterly Ungodly..

Allison said...

Then she threatened to go get Jana. It tells a lot when you threaten your siblings with an older sibling instead of mom or dad.

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Of course she was going to get Jana! They were working on a surprise for their parents. What was she going to say, "Hey Dad, Jackson isn't practicing the song for our big surprise for you?" Obviously she was going to get Jana, Jana was the one organizing the whole thing. I'm not saying that there aren't other instances when the kids go to an older sibling first (although I've never seen it) but in this situation, it's reasonable to expect they would avoid their parents while preparing a surprise for them.

Rudy Tecat said...

Jessa's talking back to JB on the bus might be one of the reasons she's not being allowed to get married this summer like goody-two-shoes Jill. Jill has always been one of the favored daughters, but Jessa was the one who had to have her spirit broken as a child.

Anonymous said...

I probably should have mentioned that Jana was with Michelle at Cindy's home because they also had Josie with them. The next day they were going to the Children's Hospital in Little Rock (Cindy apparently lives in Little Rock) so Josie could have a yearly check-up. They also had one of the boys along, because it was his turn to spend time with Michelle. Don't know when that happened as she was busy visiting with Cindy and the hospital visit, but that's what they said. I thought it was strange, that all the time they were living in Little Rock because of Josie, they never mentioned this friend Cindy living right there. But there you have it; Jana was there because of Josie

hello said...

If this was any other family that would make sense. Joy Anna even said she was getting to the age where the little kids listened to her but she wasn't quite there. I totally believe that once the older girls acquire a new little buddy they are then in charge of that child, which includes discipline.

Wampascat said...

I've noticed Jim Bob has been putting quite a bit of weight on . He looked really hefty in the last couple episodes.

Anonymous said...

Those Duggar kids are going to be in for a shock when the day comes (and believe me it will) that for whatever reason they are on their own. Not everyone of them will be offered a position like Josh. The world will be over them eventually and they will then face real life. They are so uneducated, especially the ones from Joseph on down. Not one of them can put together a simple declarative sentence. I'm sure hey can't spell either as they do so much on computers they probably just hit spellcheck.

Anonymous said...

There was absolutely no reason for Michelle to drag Jana and one of the boys with her to visit her friend, and take Josie to the doc. She is just lazy and wanted a social visit with her own friend, from long ago, and didn't want to be bothered attending to Josie. IMO those should have been 2 separate trips. Oh yes, when a child is taken to the doctor, that doc asks questions, about food and beverage intake, sleep habits, toileting, etc., all which Michelle doesn't have a clue about. She needed the knowledge from Jana. Also, how awful to "stick in" quality time with your son while you're busy doing other things. All of these kids have gotten the short end of the stick in quality of life..

Anonymous said...

I just saw a repeat of when Jim Bob & Michelle went early to Priscilla Keller's wedding and left Jana with 9 kids to care for. They were going to the wedding later on. I know Josiah & Joy could help her out, but when Michelle was at home with 7 kids under 10 she had: Grandma, Anna& Priscilla, as her, "limited help." Jana did not have Jessa or Jinger to help her. She had to clean, cook their meals and pack their clothes. I couldn't believe it!

Anonymous said...

To add to my comment about the Duggar's leaving Jana alone to care for 9 of the kids, in the talking heads all Michelle kept saying was how much Jana loved caring for all the little ones and they really wanted her to care for them.

Anonymous said...

What would Anna do if anything happened to Josh? She is barely 25yrs old, already has 3 kids... will she move back in with her parents in their small trailer, or move in with the Duggars and have them feed her? So utterly unresponsible of this belief system. Also, I can see Jana, if unmarried, being 40 yrs old and still with Mom and Dad. Their beliefs state that a daughter must remain at home under the authority of her father... poor girl. I certainly can see Michelle not to upset about that, because that means as she ages, she will have a personal nurse maid in Jana for herself..How utterly lazy, selfish and ungodly to snuff the life out of your own daughter for your own lazy benefit,,someone should put them on the carpet about this one and require them to answer for it.

Anonymous said...

I have never seen Michelle take Josie to the DR in Little Rock without taking Jana along.Her excuse is usually that she never knows if they might need to stay for an extra day or so if Josie needs any special tests etc. If so, she would want one of her "girls" with her. It's always Jana! When visiting local DR' I've seen her take James along as well as Jana. She says he's great at entertaining Josie.

Anonymous said...

RE; Michelle's trip to her friend Cindy and the DR for Josie. The reason she gave for bringing the young boy along (I think it might have been Jason?) was that it was his special time with Michelle.. ....you know riding in the car, sitting in the waiting room at the hospital. A day out with Mom!!

Anonymous said...

i wouldn't be surprised that jim bob been messing around behind michelle's back.

hello said...

Its a shame the kids dont get any one on one time with their mom. Why cant she even take a group of the little kids to a park and let them play? I dont think she has a clue how to deal with her own kids once they are not nursing. That is the only time she seems to bond with them. When they had to stay in Israel because Journals sick, Jill stayed with her. Jill was the one who carried her into the doctor's office because Michelle was too busy being filmed. When they went to go home, Jill was the one who carried her in the plane and sat with her while Michelle got to relax o. The flight home. With Jill and Jessa leaving to get married, Joy Anna will will get promoted to sister mom.

Anonymous said...

I was shocked to see that Joy Anna is 16 years old. She just seems so much younger, especially when she's trying to teach the little kids a song. She seemed like a 13 year old babysitter, not a 16 year old young woman.

I think all of these kids are emotionally stunted. Jana and John David are 24! They need to be out living their own lives.

hello said...

That should say when Josie was sick. Darn spell check! Lol

Nancy said...

Jana is Josie's "buddy." Yet another way to tie a J'Slave to the nest for a few more years so Michelle won't have to raise her own kids. Jana won't be free to go until Josie is really free of any medical issues (which implies that she does have lingering issues that they're not telling their fans about).

But I really came to post that Joshie is going to be fasting for 40 days come late August because GAY MARRIAGE!!!! He seems to be repping for the FRC as this other fringe group (I looked them up, they're waaaaay out there) leads up the prayer and fasting to save the sanctity of straight marriage.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/25/virginia-christians-prepare-for-40-day-hunger-strike-against-same-sex-marriage/

sandi said...

Jana also had to take everyone to the airport,supervise them,and load them onto the plane in the episode where JB and M went to Priscilla's wedding early.

Anonymous said...

RE: Hello's remarks. Michelle
wasn't too busy being filmed while Jill was carrying Josie into the hospital, DR's office or airport. She was busy pulling a small suitcase on wheels behind her while Jill carried her sick baby. She was following behind Jill & Josie. If she is with Jim Bob, they are both always in front, holding hands while ; 14, 15, 16,17 or 18 kids are following behind them.

Nancy Ann said...

As for the comment about what would happen if Josh died and Anna was left with three little ones. . . I would hope that the Gothard "Umbrella of Protection" the men are supposed to have covering their wives and children includes some hefty life insurance on the men.

Anonymous said...

I don't buy for one minute that Michelle is so very busy with all the household chores,as we all know who takes care of them. Also, remember she has the time to talk daily to her best friend. In one of the episodes, the family had a speaking engagement somewhere, when Josie had just been released from the hospital & best friend "Cindy" showed up & we were then informed that this best friend was a NICU nurse. We never heard about that while Josie was in the hospital in Little Rock, where Cindy lives. I would have thought she would have been spending time with Michelle at the hospital,if she was a NICU nurse. Everyone else was there (the Bates and other family)She conveniently showed up when Michelle wanted to go to a speaking engagement with the rest of the family. Michelle flew to the speaking engagement, stayed overnight and flew home to Josie the next day.

Wampascat said...

Yeah, I read about Josh fasting for forty days. Fat chance. If that REALLY happens, I'll eat my house slippers. Never going to happen.

Great-Grammy said...

I have one thing to say to Josh & his group that are working their fingers to the bone to make this country a better place: THIS IS ALREADY AMERICA & MY GENERATION HAS ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF OUR FREEDOMS!!!

Anonymous said...

When Jim Bob & Michelle went ahead to Priscilla's wedding so, they could enjoy a few days to themselves. Jana already had so much work at the house and then transporting the kids to the airport, checking luggage, boarding them and supervising all the little ones, once on the plane. We might say that poor young woman, but we must remember she just loves to do it. That was an official statement from Michelle who was enjoying some free time, in Florida.

Anonymous said...

I really just can't believe that those kids think they need to do something "special", for Michelle & Jim Bob. The kids keep saying our parents have made such an "investment," in our lives.What about all the birthday celebrations and anniversary celebrations the kids have been a huge part of putting together and now they think they need to do more. They are going to do a dinner-theater film, based on the parable of the: "Good Samaritan." All this putting together some type of "show", is just TLC filler for an episode. They are so done.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe that Michelle is still so close to Cindy, her friend from high school. Why would JimBob allow her to associate with someone from her "sinful days"? She might sway Michelle back to wearing pants, or a more stylish hair and succeed this time. If MOTY has any
filmed scenes with this lady, it's all for the show, so they "appear" to be more mainstream, but they are not.

Michelle certainly does NOT look out for her girls. Only herself. So she had to expand her "free time" to include another state, Florida, leaving Jana with all those kids to care for by herself? How did Jana find time to shower? Michelle needed THREE nannies to do the job FOR her when she had less kids to care about, uh, I mean "for".

Anonymous said...

RE: Michelle's best friend "Cindy." Well anonymous hit the nail on the head...literally. She is the one that showed up in the beauty parlor during the huge birthday celebration for Michelle. They went to several different places for new outfits etc. Anything Michelle wanted. When they arrives at the beauty parlor Cindy was waiting there. She convinced the technician to cut and style Michelle's hair. It looked great, but you could tell Michelle didn't like it. It was more along the line of; "I don't know how Jim Bob will like this. The girls that were with their mom seemed shocked that Cindy actually did this. When they returned home you could tell Jim Bob was just furious. The older girls just kept saying "don't worry it will grow back." Cindy made some comment to Jim Bob that it was "payback" for tying to fix her up with different guys. Although, she kept trying to convince everyone how great Michelle looked, it took 20yrs off her life. That was the only episode in which Michelle had the new hairdo. She immediately returned to the old style that Jim Bob preferred. The only other time Cindy was seen there,was to babysit Josie when she was just home from the hospital, while Michelle went to a speaking engagement overnight. I never saw Cindy in the Duggar house again.

CT14 said...

I don't pay much attention to the Duggars, but with Gothard/ATI being in the media lately I was wondering...

Have they ever shown any of the kids playing music for fun? Not performing for an audience. Not practicing/teaching younger sibs. Not trying to prove that homeschooling is soooo much better than a real education. Just playing for the joy of playing music.

My daughter sometimes hugs the piano after practice because she loves it. It's funny, but it's also why we invest in lessons and encourage her to practice: she genuinely loves it.

The only times I've seen Duggar kids perform, it's been so robotic and joyless. I just wondered if they've ever shown any of them with free time choosing to play music for the pure joy of it.

Thanks in advance.

sandi said...

I'm wondering if Jim Bob or Michelle either one can play the piano,violin,or any other instrument at all.They require their children to learn both,even though by all apearances,they can play neither themselves.
I do think the girls that play the harp enjoy it.(I guess a Duggar male playing the harp might be a no no?).
And Jinger seemed to enjoy the piano in one episode,where she pulled two of them together and played both at the same time.Josh has occasionally played the one they have in their home,so I would venture to say he enjoys it as well.

Anonymous said...

I agree that Michelle's birthday hairdo looked so much better and it did take years off her face. I also think she could have gone shorter and it would have looked even better.. has anyone noticed that her hair is even longer than it was before this "new 'do"? Once again, over compensating. She is looking more haggard than usual lately...especially at the Bates wedding..I wonder if her health is ok? I don't know what that "blood work" scene is about, hopefully she isn't ill. I wouldn't want that for anyone. Just can't help but shake my head as to how she thinks that tired old hairdo is more flattering, it wasn't flattering for her in the '80s,..
Someone should really do a flip side special on TV as to how this family really operates and what they are about when the cameras leave, JimBob's real personality and role in that family, Michelle's real role in submission and how it has all affected their kids, and what they really can look forward to in their marriages, sons and daughters alike. I bet that would be ratings heaven...

confused in Germany said...

re the kids playing for fun on their instruments.
I do at least remember, that Jana ones played on the piano to calm herself down before she had her teeth out. (The wisdom-ones).

And I remember that Jill played on the harp that day her brother had his accident. Her friend filmed that on her handy (may have been Amy though, but she's like a friend)...

At any rate, since the Duggars are not always filmed, we do not get to see that perhaps?

I think the older girls might be playing for fun, if they had the time to do it. Jana used to love the harp.

There are a lot of things I do not understand about the Duggars and that is why I am worried and confused at times, especially about Jana, but we do not get to see everything, so maybe off-camera there is time for the kids and M and JB do take care of the kids? We wouldn't know.

Still, as I wrote, I am confused and I came to the conclusion that I don't think their way of life is good for anyone but the parents, but that is the thing about a free world: everyone may live as he or she chooses. And (under-/not) educate their children in their way. It is only more than sad, that those kids don't even get a real idea about what their possibilities are...

I hope, that this wasn't too involved a text, but it does
just mirror my confusion.

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen the kids practicing or playing for enjoyment. But could they take the piano or harp on board that Duggar bus? They've spent a great deal of time on that bus for various causes and politicians, ever since Josh worked his way up the ladder of success at FRC. At one time I thought Jana really was interested and had a love for the harp, but haven't seen her playing or even practicing ever since she became Josie's buddy. She has also been chaperoning Jill on her midwife duties ( under the guise of wanting to be a doula.) I remember the Jill was so excited to get permission to begin midwife training. She stated; "Momma & Daddy want 2 of us to be together at all times." I also remember Jackson saying that he and Hannie never did really play the violin they only pretended. If you watched the little ones that was obvious. Having said all that, God Bless those kids, they really do try to do everything to please their parents.

Anonymous said...

"I wouldn't be surprised that jim bob been messing around behind michelle's back."

Who in the world would be that desperate? Hopefully no one. I'd rather be a nun.

Beth Anne said...

Re: ...we do not get to see everything, so maybe off-camera there is time for the kids and M and JB do take care of the kids?

It IS hard to tell just from the show what is reality and what is scripted and what things are REALLY like for all the Duggars on a daily basis. However, I would say a lot of the concerns people have raised about the family dynamics and lifestyle, based on what the show presents and what family members have said themselves, are very consistent with what ex-Quiverful and ex-ATI members have said about the bad parts of the lifestyle. I.e., it is stifling and restrictive, it's about out appearances and following a checklist of man-made rules, versus being about each individual's personal feelings, beliefs, and relationship with God, the older daughters are the main caretakers and expected to serve their siblings and parents, etc.

A lot of what people who "grew up Duggar like" say resonates with the things the typical viewer finds concerning when watching the Duggar's show.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob and Michelle have said many times that they have no musical ability, but they" had a heart," to invest music in their children. When they didn't have the funds years ago they had a friend that taught the kids. They always have a friend that will do something for them for nothing I always remember the time that Jim Bob was assisting the Bates with the remodel of their home and they went to the store to get the cabinets etc. The store manager there said Jim Bob was an "old pro" who had probably stuck it to the diaper companies many times."

Anonymous said...

I agree about Jim Bob possibly "messing around." Please God, don't let it be anyone in his home. I know many have had their suspicions especially since all the news about Gothard and others that they follow. If he is, it's probably a girl/woman with very short hair, that wears jeans, tank tops, and has a glass of wine before she heads for the dance floor. She probably doesn't even have a chaperone with her!

Just me said...

Anyone else believe that the main reason we are seeing these two girls courting now is because JB wanted it to compete with the Bates? He clearly held back on Derrick and then presented him to Jill on a silver platter. The Bates will have 4 marriages in a year and at least one grandchild, probably 3 or 4. Can't let them be more interesting.

Anonymous said...

Oh, God, no! Anna looks preggers again...Fabuluous David Waller posted 2 videos of Anna and Pris..yes, either Anna is knocked up AGAIN, or she's been sneaking the snickers bars lately.
I had some hope for them that maybe, just maybe they would get with an intelligent program and not breed, just because it's possible every month. Shaking my head in disbelief.

Will Michelle be jealous! She's still whining on another website today about how she still wants another one for the "gipper" before she's 50! Such a sad addiction. She doesn't realize she has MANY at home that need her, uh, wait, maybe they don't/ it's Jana and Jill they've bonded with, not mama. She's the brood mare, that's all.

hello said...

That could quite possibly be the reason that Jimboob is now finding husbands for his daughter. He feels the need to turn everything into a competition. He doesn't seem to be in any hurry to find wives for his sons though. I don't think he is any hurry to marry off any of the other girls any time soon. If he did, him and Michelle might have to pitch in and raise their their kids, cook, clean and pack for their many field trips. That might cut into their baby making time.

Anonymous said...

They are being very careful which ones they let go. I think Jana has Joy in training to be her assistant. You're correct, the Bates were starting to get ahead of JimBob by leaps and bounds and that would never do.

Willow said...

When enough children have moved on and thus, when the need arises, I don't think Jim Bob and Michelle will do any work themselves. They also will not make the boys do much. They will be forced to beg help from others (friends and such). They will probably search for someone they won't have to actually pay. They won't ever resort to doing it themselves. JMO.

Willow said...

Whatever happened to the episode where Jim Bob and Michelle are on the phone waiting for test results or something? Did I miss it or something? Maybe they decided to drop that episode? Thanks, if anyone knows.

Michigander1969 said...

Did anyone notice when they were talking about being asked about courting Jill looked at Jana and Jill smiled and said no one else that we know of. But her smile made me think maybe Jana is. Hopefully that's why Skylar was there helping Josh.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see this video on David Waller's website? Anna is so pregnant, especially when seen from the side, around :48. http://youtu.be/puc4W8hbsGs

Anonymous said...

It just occurred to me today. I was watching an earlier rerun and Michelle stated how Jim Bob gathered the family in their bedroom for bible time and let them know what their travel/activity schedule was for the coming day. Michelle included herself in that revelation of information. Could it be that she is treated like one of the kids and she is actually afraid of him?
She may be a victim herself.

Also noted how inappropriate that the older sis/moms were IN their parents' bed, under their covers during this meeting each with a "little buddy". Michelle, of course, had no child with her. Maybe it's me, but I don't think it's appropriate for women/daughters to be in their parents' bed under the blankets. (By the way,JB and Queen M have appropriate sheets and blankets on their bed; not all the kids have that...so selfish of them.

kristi said...

I too hope jana is courting! Does anyone know what happened to the big house they remodeled?

Rebecca Royce said...

I'm worried about Jana Duggar. I know Michelle said there was no jealousy from the girls but she's the oldest. The two younger sisters courting (and now Jill engaged) first? That can't be easy. I hope they don't hold her back because she's so helpful with the younger kids.

sandi said...

Jim Bob sold the house they remodeled.I think they said that on one of the later episodes.

Elaine Brooks said...

She is their slave! Head housekeeper, head babysitter, head seamstress, head teacher etc.
Plus she is obviously there STILL protecting the children from perhaps another pedophile in the family?
I doubt that she is chained up in the basement, but she probably has a shock collar on her like a dog; so she cannot escape the compound (jail), that she is serving her life sentence!
She would be better off in jail! At least she could make friends and get paid a small amount for the massive workload she has to complete each day!