Free Discussion, July, 2014

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Coleen said...

I didn't think Jill looked like MD, but after viewing the honeymoon pics...

http://www.eonline.com/news/556453/newlyweds-jill-duggar-and-derick-dillard-share-romantic-honeymoon-pics-celebrate-weekiversary

Anonymous said...

There are at this point unsubstantiated rumors that Jill quit her midwife training program. I'm sad to say that I expect that is not a good example to set for her younger siblings. It makes any education or training look like a placeholder until marriage and was quite a waste of the mentor's time.

Gram not in laundry said...

I recently saw side -by-side pictures of Michelle. One was when she had the makeover & of course, one when she returned to the same old hairstyle that she always had, very shortly afterwards. I thought to myself, why in the world couldn't she have worn her hair the way it was styled for the makeover at the wedding? She looked a thousand times better with the hair makeover. These pictures will be around for a long time to come. Believe me, after 54 yrs, I'm still looking at my wedding pictures & although I don't think they are too bad the grandchildren do get a few laughs.

Anonymous said...

I truly hope that it is only a rumor, that Jill will give up her studies,although we don't really know how much more she has to do re: her study courses & practical work. Of course, if she gets pregnant right away, that will probably be the end of her midwife career. Michelle often advises first time mom's, that they should nap during the day while pregnant. I guess, she doesn't consider, that many first time mom's are working & that most workplaces frown on naps at work. I truly wonder if Jim Bob& Michelle & have ever considered the possibility, that not every one of their daughters or sons, will be able to have children. That's just a fact of life, & it may not be their son or daughters problem, it could be with the spouse, it happens. Imagine, if Josh & Anna hadn't been able to have children?

Anonymous said...

anonymous 7/2/@ 10:31PM; I had no doubt that Jill would ditch her "training". It is exactly as you have suspected; these "dalliances" are for the girls to bide their time until hubby comes along. None of them will accomplish anything before or after marriage. Their career IS WIFE and MOTHER. Nothing wrong with those things, but they are shut out of life experience of their own...that's the downside of their lifestyle, one of many, actually.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if next season they will mention what the children get to take when they get married and leave home. I notice there are a myriad of vehicles on the Duggar compound. In an article on married life, Jill talks about getting up and taking Derrick to work so they must only have one car. Which is fine, I know a lot of couples who do it. But I just wonder once she starts having babies, will that be something she wants to do every morning.

mythoughtis said...

==It makes any education or training look like a placeholder until marriage and was quite a waste of the mentor's time.==

In their eyes, that is exactly what it was. That is one reason why Jim Bob and Michelle didn't see any point in the children going to college. Of course, it doesn't explain their adversion to the Males going to college. Hopefully Derick's salary and opportunities will be noticed by the boys and they will attempt to go to college.

It could be just a rumor based upon everyone's speculation about Jill's future. It is also possible that Jill will work at a closer place, or that Derick has talked her into going to college for a more formal certification, maybe even nursing. Or maybe she is actually taking a break to be around for Derick's Mom when she needs her.

Jenny said...

Wow! As I continue to do "catch up" in learning about the Duggar ways I have to say I have hope that my first impressions of Derrick are holding up. According to a photo from the other day he was grilling dinner! Yay!! According to my research on this blog and the shows I have been trying to catch up on- the Duggar women do all the cooking. I'm glad Derrick cooked their dinner.

Jeannine said...

You make an excellent point, Jenny. It didn't even occur to me that the Duggar woman usually do all the cooking, yet Derrick was grilling. Gives me hope that things are different for her now.
I am curious what clothes she left with, I'm assuming all the girls shared clothes. Also, does it annoy anyone else that Jill is ALWAYS wearing a scarf of some sort? Even though it is summer. I wonder what is up with that.

Special Ed Lady said...

Maybe Jill has a scar or something she is self conscious about.

Anonymous said...

Derick grilling proves nothing. Women cook, but grilling meat is a "man's" domain. This is just an extension of their rigid gender roles. I see this in a lot of couples who assign specific roles to each sex- women do everything inside the house- cook, clean, etc., while men do the outside work- lawncare and yes, grilling.

Ginny said...

I happened to see a repeat today, of the episode when the family was in Little Rock, following Josie's premature birth. JimBob called the older girls down in the morning with exciting news...he's taking them to give blood. They appear horrified & even Jim Bob admits, he's never given blood before, but he tells them it's extremely important for Josie's survival. The girls do what is asked (demanded)of them, & Jim Bob makes it a point, to let everyone know, that although none of the boys who are old enough, are giving blood that day, they will also be giving blood very soon, just at another time. That was 4yrs ago. I am still waiting to see the episode where the boys give their fair share of blood.

Anonymous said...

I once saw Jim Bob doing the grilling for a cookout, & the whole thing caught on fire. He was screaming at the top of his lungs, for someone to bring water to throw on the fire, that was out of control on the grill. I thought he should have known enough to close the hood of the grill, & extinguish the fire, without throwing water on it.

Allison said...

Also, does it annoy anyone else that Jill is ALWAYS wearing a scarf of some sort? Even though it is summer. I wonder what is up with that.

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Wearing a summer scarf is actually a pretty common style. They are usually very light weight, and are just a fashion statement, not meant to keep you warm. I'm not a huge fan, but it's not unusual. I have several friends who wear summer scarfs.

Anonymous said...

Anyone else notice in the picture of Josh, with the Green Family of Hobby Lobby, the other day, he can hardly button his suit jacket across his stomach. Time to find another friend, that will work as a trainer for him. Also, in the picture of Anna with Marcus learning to walk, I didn't realize how long her hair had gotten, you can see how long it is as it's braided & to the side& comes down over her shoulder.

Wednesday said...

Looking at the pics from eonline, I noticed how high end that back yard BBQ and kitchen are. Must be so hard to buy used and saved the difference (sarcasm)
Once again, I have to say I am sick of people proclaiming how meager they live and that they can support themselves. Yep, they sure can on TLC's dime.

Nancy Ann said...

Of course Jill won't do any more training for midwifery. That was just a placeholder until she earned her M.R.S. degree. She got to be a "blessing" to others and "fellowship" with others (not to mention "minister" and "witness" to others) while learning some things that will help her when she has babies. Her involvement in midwifery served its purpose. Bill Gothard teaches that married women, especially mothers, who work outside the home are no better than prostitutes. I kid you not. This is part of his creative interpretation of Old Testament scriptures.

Chris said...

I was rewatching the episode where Ben asked Jessa to enter into a courtship with him and lamenting how he couldn't even be bother to put down his styrofoam cup. My dad pointed out that it's his spitting cup for chewing tabacoo, and looking closer you can see that Ben holds his lip and cheek stiffly like someone who chews tabacoo. Not something I would expect the Duggars to be accepting of.

Coleen said...

Jeannine, the constant scarf is added modesty. It's meant to draw attention away from the chest but it just draws the eyes to it.
On the Duggar instagram on of the little girls was wearing a wet suit instead of that modest swimwear!

Anonymous said...

During the episode where Jill asks her parents to go to Nepal, she is wearing a 'star of David' necklace...........anyone know what that's about?

hello said...

I also happened to catch the rerun when they were in Little Rock after Josie's birth. You don't tell your kids you have a surprise for them and then tell them that they are going to give blood. A couple of the girls looked terrified but of course they couldn't say no to Jimboob. Why weren't the boys also ordered to give blood, even though no one should be ordered to do something they don't want to do. It really bothered me that the girls were sent out grocery shopping afterwards. I would bet that Jimboob was at home being comforted by his buddy Michelle. The girls should have been allowed to go home and rest but then Jimboob and Michelle might have had to take care of their kids themselves. They also could have sent the boys, but they couldn't have them doing "women's work".

Judy said...

It is not uncommon for some Evangelicals to wear the Star of David or celebrate Jewish holidays like Passover.

Anonymous said...

I have been watching the 4th of July marathon, although I don't usually watch the show. I never saw this blog before and have found reading some of what people have to say quite interesting. I understand that JB and Michelle found IBLP at a young age and JOINED ON!!! Bill Gothardism is legalism and is NOT mature Christian love. Too bad a charismatic, creative, mature person could not be brought in to dissolve what this group still struggle to pan handle.

Ayah said...

Has anyone noticed that jessa really exaggerates the backwoods accent? Much more pronounced than the others.

Anonymous said...

I remember that blood donation episode Ginny, and wondered the same thing myself. Why didn't the legal-aged and healthy, able bodied boys donate along with the girls? Sometimes it's even easier for a male to donate blood as with a female there always the chance that her hemoglobin counts can dip down (depending on where they may be in their monthly cycle) making it unsafe and impossible to donate. And shouldn't it have been the girls' choice to donate and not just an order from JB?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone noticed that jessa really exaggerates the backwoods accent? Much more pronounced than the others.

Yes, I have. So does Joy. And, it's odd, because Jinger (who is in between the two) does not.

Anonymous said...

So I'm hoping that someone out there can answer this question for me regarding this male authority figure that has been discussed on other threads. So, hypothetically speaking, if Jim Bob were to suddenly be taken to be with " his lord" shall we say, would Michelle be considered the head of the family or would one of her older sons (Josh? UGH!) then be considered to be her authority figure? Does she HAVE to have a male authority figure? Is Jim Bob currently Grandma Duggar's authority now that her husband has passed away? Are any widowed women allowed to be independant of male authority? Just wondering...

Ashleigh said...

In regard to the comments about Jessa and Joy's accents, I honestly have never really noticed an accent in any of them. I expected something deeper being that they're from Arkansas and that whenever you hear someone speak who lives in the same town they do, that person has a thick accent or at least a twang. I often wondered why that was.

And then today it hit me. My parents don't have much of a southern accent but I do. I asked my mom this once and she said that your accent isn't just from your parents but people around you. Meaning that it was formed from hearing my teachers in school, my classmates, my friends, my dance buddies, my church family, etc, etc. The duggars hardly allow any interaction outside of their home. Therefore, they don't have much of an outside influence on their twang.

Anonymous said...

I also was disgusted at the way the girls were told they were going to give blood. Yes, they did need to go & shop for the family that day, right after they gave blood. I remember Jana saying she really wanted to take a nap & she usually doesn't say anything, so maybe she didn't feel well. I always thought the girls should have been asked to give blood, not just whisked away to give blood. Nobody ever saw to it that they ate a good breakfast in preparation for giving blood. Suppose they were having their period, usually they ask you not to give blood at that time, unless you have been tested for your hemoglobin count. In the car, Jim Bob kept impressing on them how important it was for them to do this for;Josie. Why? Why should they have to help out with what is really their parents problem. I don't mean to sound mean, but they were already carrying the burden of preparing a huge Christmas party at home before the move, then the move to Little Rock, taking care of the kids, shopping, cooking, keeping house. Jim Bob always presents these things as a "surprise." However they are usually going to clean out one of Jim Bob's rental homes, or some type of work that Jim Bob wants unpaid help with.

Anonymous said...

I noticed the grill, and she also appears to have stainless appliances in her kitchen. My hope? That all the Duggar kids have had money placed in trust for them for all the years they've participated in the TLC series. It's only right.

Rudy Tecat said...

There was an Instagram photo of Jill and Derick kissing, and already the groupies are speculating on whether she's pregnant or not!

Anonymous said...

The Bates' family website says Alyssa's wedding will be aired on July 12th at 10pm on ABC.

Beth Anne said...

Re: Nobody ever saw to it that they ate a good breakfast in preparation for giving blood.

That type of "job" would typically fall to the parent in this case, but you know Michelle hasn't thought of the best interests of those girls in a LOOOONG time. Has she ever advocating for them on their behalf to JimBob? Like, hey, this might be frightening for them, or they might not be able to give blood depending on their cycles, or ANYTHING that shows the slightest concern regarding how they are feeling? Or just been JimBob's lackey and "buddy" and kept sweet because that's what some unmarried, childless self-proclaimed God guru has decreed is proper Christian living?

Just another example of the lack of true connection and sensitivity between the Duggar parents and their children.

Anonymous said...

Re: Beth Ann s Comments, Silly lady, of course Michelle was not there to oversee a good breakfast, & advocate for the girls, i.e. were they feeling ok...she was at the hospital in the NICU wringing her hands over Josie. The heck with the older girls.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what would happen God forbid if Jill & Derick or any of the Duggar children and their spouses had some sort of fertility problem. I had a friend who in her late 20's had a problem conceiving. She had to take fertility drugs to stimulate her ovaries. Would they be wiling to do this? And I bet it would be something they had to talk over with Jim Bob and Michelle even tho they are grown and married. I honestly don't wish fertility problems on anyone but I wonder how in their family that would be handled.

Coleen said...

Male authority question. It depends on the family. In some quiverful families the oldest son would be the head, if the mother is deemed to old or chooses not to remarry. If their isn't a son or one not of age, the role would fall to the wife's father, her brother or her fil or bil.

Anonymous said...

Is it sad that I'm already waiting for the "I'm expecting" announcement from Jill? Granted I don't think it'll be before the new season starts but I really think she will be pregnant before Christmas. I also think it's weird that they don't say "I'm pregnant" it's ALWAYS "I'm expecting."

confused in germany said...

Blood-donation: as far as I could see in one of the books (yes, I do admit to all of them, some things are so weird, they just fascinate me scientifically :-) ), at any rate, they wrote, that Jill and DimBulb are VERY afraid of needles. Yet, she had to do it. But DimBulb did it as well. At least, that's what I saw.
And I do not give up the hope, that the girls did get a break or her sisters did let Jana nap in the car. It just wasn't filmed.

As to the money, the girls have: in one of the books Michelle wrote, that they do give the girls money unconditionally and cars and stuff, but the guys have to work for the things they want, from a certain age. The idea being, that the boys are held to provide for a family and should therefore learn as early, as can be. Whereas the girls are not to work, so won't have to learn this skill. As to the word work I mean: not work for money, outside the house. But the way it was described, they do work for money, just inside the house. Someone commented in the June Discussion, that they seem to have a lot of money, so I read that up.

As to Jills clothes and what she might have taken with her: I think, that the only two girls who could swap clothes would be Jessa and Jinger. Jana is rather tiny, Jill is rather tall and willowy and Joy is slender, but also buxom. Or let's say: she has a well rounded, womanly figure. So, I do not see much clothes swapping, rather the asseccoires sorry, I was never able to write that word). And sorry for the very long post...

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if the Ruarks were invited to Jill's wedding? If so, did they show up and did Michelle interact AT ALL with HER family? what's the scoop with that side of the clan? They don't seem to exist in Michelle's world. So, not Christian, godly or family oriented of her, which she says is paramount to them.

Refugee said...

@Anon 5:37

I once knew an ATI lady near Pensacola, Fl. She was so ATI that when her husband died she asked her father to be her head and she bragged on how The Lord blessed her for that. She was in her late 40's and had two teen children.

Not saying they all do it but this one did.

Judy said...

My guess is that Jill went to her new home with little or nothing. She has no car, no property, no money in her name. She shares her clothes with her sisters. Maybe they gave her a little money and then told her to go ask her new head of household.

tulip said...

So it appears Jana & Joy were in DC w/ Anna on the 4th passing out tracts that look like money (again.) Anna also posted a pic of 'visiting daddy at work'. Wow, proof to me Josh doesn't do any actual work as his office was mostly outfitted with family pics & an Arkansas flag, plus a few scattered papers on the desk for ambience and a big display of what appears to be his business cards (stacks that haven't been touched) I liked how someone called it his "cubicle." Josh had to post himself grilling (feeling upstaged by his new brother-in-law perhaps?)

Anonymous said...

It's a shame that Jill married being quite unprepared, IMO. I don't think she knows how to write a check, balance a checkbook, or manage money every month. These "lessons" on bankruptcy, etc at the dining room table in homeschooling were and are an abstract concept to these now adult kids living at home. They heard the lessonplan, but were never called on to apply any of this knowledge in their own lives as Daddy wrote all the checks and managed the financial household himself. Derick is an accountant and knows about money. Does Jill know how to budget during her trips to Aldi and WalMart for groceries and supplies? I wonder how Derick will handle having to teach Jill from square one on daily life and management of household accounts? Hope he realized that he married a little girl in every way. Also true about all of those kids in the years to come. Michelle did NOT, IMO, think ahead to the future about when they would begin to marry off and the separation anxiety between "buddy siblings" would be traumatic as they are the only friends/mothers those kids know. So unhealthy to not have any outside the family relationships..etc. They will begin to unravel soon.

Anonymous said...

I am curious and would like to know if Mary Duggar belongs to her son's belief system too. Is Jim Bob now her authority figure since her husband passed away? Why does Mary D. put up with this stuff from her own son. She seems to be quite capable financially to live on her own with some peace and quiet. They never say what that situation is. If something tragic happened to Jim Bob, would Josh then be Michelle's authority figure? Would she have to ask and do as Josh says? That would be a hoot.

Missy said...

Re Confused in Germany: Just because Jim Bob gave blood,even though he is afraid of needles, doesn't mean Jill should be forced to give blood. He is the father of the sick baby in the NICU, so he should at least give blood. We know he's afraid of needles, as he made a big deal of it, when they were talking to the little girl that had cancer. He was comparing his "scratch test" for allergies, to what this girl was going through with needles for chemo. Jana may indeed have taken a nap that we didn't see, but she was in full charge of Jordyn at the time, as well as her responsibilities for the shopping, cooking, housekeeping. If she did get a nap after donating blood, which she didn't want to do either, she was entitled.

Anonymous said...

Re: The Ruarks attending the wedding. I was wondering about that myself. You would think that with at least 1,000 guests they could squeeze them in, they are aunts & uncles, but we haven't seen or heard about any of them for a long time. I've always suspected, that they didn't allow any TLC cameras into her dad's funeral. If they did come, do you think Jim Bob put them up in a fancy hotel of perhaps wheeled & dealed, for a cheap motel room like he did for the anniversary celebration with Michelle? Don't forget he was able to get them a Jacuzzi.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the blood donation. While it was a worthwhile gesture on JB's part, the blood that they donated might not have been able to be given to NICU babies. Babies can only receive O+ or O- blood that is CMV negative so unless him or one of the girls are just that, the blood would go into the regular "pile" for distribution.

Alberta Rose said...

It's a shame that Jill married being quite unprepared, IMO. I don't think she knows how to write a check, balance a checkbook, or manage money every month. These "lessons" on bankruptcy, etc at the dining room table in homeschooling were and are an abstract concept to these now adult kids living at home. They heard the lessonplan, but were never called on to apply any of this knowledge in their own lives as Daddy wrote all the checks and managed the financial household himself. Derick is an accountant and knows about money. Does Jill know how to budget during her trips to Aldi and WalMart for groceries and supplies? I wonder how Derick will handle having to teach Jill from square one on daily life and management of household accounts?

You must not have read the books or some of the articles Michelle has published. The adult children have their own bank accounts when they start earning their own money, which means Josh at the car dealership, John-David for the landscaping, Jill for Midwifery, Jana for Doula, Jessa for Photography, and Joy-Anna when she does her babysitting (there was one episode that did show her babysitting. The rest of the families she works for don't want to be filmed)as well as a few of them have signing authority for a special household account.

Anonymous said...

Since it would have been illegal for Jill or Jana to have charged for their services there is a flaw in your argument. Jill and Jana did not complete their training and become licensed. Jill may go back to it, but I doubt Jana will.

hello said...

I doubt Jill will continue her training and becomebanlicensed midwife. She will get pregnant soon, if she isn't already. She has been trained since birth that her goal in life is to be a wife and mother. I believe the midwifery was something for her to do until she found a husband. I don't believe Jana wanted to train to be a doula and only did it so she could be Jill's accountability buddy. Jana will probably be taking over extra responsibilities since Jill left and until Joyanna is trained fully to be a sister/mom. I believe that will happen sooner than later since I think Jessa and Ben will be be engaged and married by the end of the year.

Ginger said...

I agree that it would be illegal for Jill & Jana to charge for their services, as they have not completed the education & practical work required. As far as Jinger & Joy-Anna go, I believe whatever they might have received for payment, for taking pictures & babysitting, is what we usually refer to as "pocket money" & it's usually an under the table situation. They do not have regular jobs, with a paycheck coming weekly or monthly. They are not paying income taxes on babysitting money. Landscaping is another job, that is pretty much under the table, as far as what is reported & what taxes are paid. Is the landscaping a regular/real company, with employees that are not family members, that need to be paid on a regular basis, & have taxes withheld from their pay? That usually requires an accountant on board. In the past, when the girls have done the shopping for the family, before they leave, Jim Bob will give them a debit card. So they are not making out a check in the grocery store. Also in reference to Joy-Anna, I have never seen them address the fact, that families she babysits for, don't want to be filmed. When does she have the time to baby sit other peoples kids? I'd like to know if anyone else remembers anything along those lines being addressed. How do we know that is true? Let's face it; they don't have "real jobs!" I also don't put a lot of stock in what Michelle writes in her articles or books.

Anonymous said...

Not only have Jill and her siblings never been anywhere away from their home by themselves in their entire lives, I can't recall a time when any of the children were shown alone in the house. I'm sure JB and M don't trust their children even in their own house which is another reason for having home dorms instead of personal privacy.

In rereading a detailed bio on No Longer Quivering of growing up the Gothard way, I realized that what appears on camera to be the Duggar teens talking about their "choices," are not choices at all. What appears to be politeness and respect is nothing more than the regurgitation of indoctrinating edicts handed down daily by JB and M over the years beginning with orders for "instant obedience" as toddlers.

Those two are artful strategists, no doubt about it. They've fooled millions of fans into thinking that they're the greatest parents in the world. One just has to enumerate typical goals parents have for their children to realize what a farce JB and M are as parents. Most parents try their best to see that their children get a good education, explore their interests, become independent, make healthy choices, and learn from mistakes. JB and M appear to have only one goal for their children: to think and do exactly what Momma and Daddy tell them to think and do 100% of the time well into adulthood. I would venture to say that Derick has his work cut out for him.

Anonymous said...

If these adult children have management of their own funds like other young adults, why haven't they portrayed those facts in the show? The impression that is given on TV is that their father controls ALL the pursestrings, right down to the debit card in the grocery store to buy pickle making ingredients. These funds that the family states in their book that the kids have management of; I'm sure are pennies earned babysitting, doing SOMe extra chores around the house. If Jinger charges others for her photography work, it's minute in comparison to a real full time job and household expense management for her own apartment, etc., it may be done on an 8 year olds' allowance and the management of those types of things. I highly doubt that Jill, for example, has her own checking and savings account.
Also, Since this family considers females working outside the home in real jobs with male superiors and co-workers, and having to interact with the general public a sin, who do they think will help them conduct their personal business when out? There are mainly female cashiers at the grocery store, and probably a female assisted Jill at the DMV to update her name. Do they consider these people as sinful and displeasing to God for working? I'd like to hear about those things; but we never will.

Anonymous said...

Forgive me for my ignorance but why could babies only be given O+ or O-? You are born with a blood type. It is not something you develop?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how Derrick's poor mother is doing?

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe that Michelle Duggar's latest article, was all, about, how all she could think about, during Jill's wedding was her own wedding 30yrs, ago. Yes Michelle, we know, because you made sure to have the old wedding gown there. It's natural for a mother to think back on her own wedding, but she only wrote about every little thing SHE did, i.e. the decorations, the flowers, the church, for her own wedding. That was 30 yrs ago, this was Jill's time to shine. You would think she would have exciting & wonderful remarks, about her beautiful daughter & new son-in-law. But this is the Michelle show & she's making sure she keeps her oar in the water.

Wampascat said...

Michelle tells contradictory stories in her blogs. In one she says the kids have bank accounts. But in others she states that the girls are given money when they ask for it, but the boys earn theirs because one day they will be head of a household and must learn to manage money. The girls won't need to earn theirs. Mute point at any rate. Michelle has probably never really written any of these blogs herself since her kid's names are routinely misspelled in them.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how Derrick's poor mother is doing? I am sincerely concerned; this must be a terribly bittersweet time for the Dillard family. Thanks.

sandi said...

The older offspring were home alone,when Michelle and Jim Bob and some of the others were in El Salavdor on a mission trip.It was (Jill and Jana,I think) that called 911 when Josie had a seizure.John David was there as well,as he got the call relayed from 911 while in his dorm room, and realized it was their address.

Anonymous said...

What I meant was that I've never seen or heard of any of the children being alone as in the "only" person in the house. I don't think JB and M leave one child in their home for fear that they might do something ungodly such as search the web or some other sin. Heaven forbid any of them should ever have any "baggage." I would love to know what this baggage is that JB and M are always talking about.

Judy said...

I highly doubt any of the adult female children has her own money. They probably get a little from Daddy but remember, they do everything with their family; they don't go to movies or maintain cars or anything on a daily basis. I doubt they see a need for individual need for money.

almsw119 said...

http://starmagazine.com/2014/07/09/jessa-duggar-ben-seewald-mission-trip-kiss-no-chaperones/

Not that this is a reliable magazine, but I would love to see someone break the rules!!!

Anonymous said...

Re: The article a ouf Jessa and Ben

I so hope it is true that they ditched the chaperone thing and stole a kiss.
Please! Lord let someone break free!

Nancy Ann said...

Okay, Star magazine is not a super reliable source, but. . .

http://starmagazine.com/2014/07/09/jessa-duggar-ben-seewald-mission-trip-kiss-no-chaperones/

I really hope this is true. I don't think they would do much more than kiss and hug and hold hands if they were alone. Most Christians, even fairly conservative Christians, would think this is completely okay and normal for a couple "courting" for almost a year.

Allison said...

While it might be true that they want to kiss, it's not true that they are going without chaperones. Jinger is going. Jinger is the chaperone, as well as everyone they will be around. The source obviously doesn't know anything about their mission trips because they aren't going to be sightseeing alone. When exactly would they have the opportunity I wonder? Stupid article.

Anonymous said...

The Star article probably has as much validity as the 4,398 articles claiming Duchess Kate was expecting.

hello said...

I was watching what I am guessing is the first show TLC did about the Duggars ten years ago. The girls were pre-teens and teens and were already being trained to be sister-moms. Michelle said that after she had a baby and it was weaned, it went to whoevers turn it was to he a buddy. They were then responsible for dressing, feeding, homeschooling and keeping an eye on their buddy when the were out. That is a lot of responsibility to put on young children. Even back then Michelle seemed to think her only responsibility was getting pregnant as often as possible and being Jimboob's buddy.

Ginger said...

I also saw one of the older Duggar episodes. It was one when they were in Little Rock, when Josie was in the hospital. Jim Bob was taking them to the zoo. One of the very little boys, I thought it was Jackson, but it could have been one of the boys just above him, came running,& I mean really running, towards the car carrying Jordyn, who was only a year old, with a bottle in her mouth. He was really running. I know, we all know, safety isn't a first priority with the Duggars but boy that was so dangerous. Jill was at the hospital so I guess she couldn't oversee the kids that were with Jim Bob.
Also re: Hello's comment about what Michelle assigns to the older girls when a new baby has been weaned, that's more than I've even realized. I say the older girls, because the boys might need to watch a "buddy" when they are out & about but I'm sure boys don't do have as much responsibility. How can one of the boys change a girl baby? I remember when Michelle asked Jackson to step out of the room while she changed Josie.It was perfectly clear that a boy could not see a girl baby have her diaper changed.

Anonymous said...

anonymous 7/9 @2:57:
That would be a SIDE kiss. Let's keep it consistent now, remember, nothing "frontal" going on with them.

Leigh Ann said...

I remember that diaper-changing scene. I have a brother five years younger and I used to help change his diapers. My daughter is an only child but when she was little she took a bath with her younger boy cousins. Most parents use diaper changing and bath time as a natural way to teach about boys and girls. Michelle acts like her little boys are budding pedophiles. The more you're not allowed to see something the more you're going to want to see it. Or do it or try it or whatever.

Ginger said...

Leigh Ann, I'm glad someone else remembers that episode, when Michelle made Jackson step out of the room, while she changed Josie. I was so surprised at that, as almost everyone I know that has both boys & girls, thinks nothing of it. Also, I believe how you handled it, with an only child who was a daughter, was also perfectly normal. Guess that's the missing link there in the Duggar household; "Normal."

tulip said...

I could believe Ben "stealing" a kiss w/ Jessa, only because he looks like his hormones are going to explode & jump her every time he's near her. Seriously, he has that look...yuck! But, I don't believe Jessa would cave in for one second. No matter what they say about having their own guidelines, etc., I really think if they kissed before marriage the Duggars would look at it like losing their virginity. When Derick & Jill did the "frontal" hug at the airport, Michelle still seemed in shock and said in her talking head scene that she was sure that wouldn't happen again, with what looked like a stern expression behind an uncomfortable half-smile.

Looks like Jill & Derick's wedding will most likely air as the fall season finale. So I'm assuming that up until the new season starts, it's major social media promo like you wouldn't believe. Yup, more eating out, cooking & haircut photos for her whatever number "weekiversary" it is. Maybe a pregnancy announcement as well. With Michelle's advice on "being available", a young guy who's suddenly gotten a pass for full access to run the gamut, no holds barred/no birth control, I don't see how they could possibly not conceive before Christmas. Hmmm...looks like Josh & Anna may have to keep holding out for another pregnancy, as everybody will be completely infatuated w/ Jill & Derick for quite awhile.

Maybe an engagement announcement for Amy, as it now appears she is dating her "best friend", and there's nothing that can top that, right? Except if you've seen that guy...yeah...nevermind. Maybe one day Amy will actually start acting like the almost 28 yrs. old, closing in on 30, she is? But then again, why give up the life of living like a carefree teeny bopper, snapping selfies, hanging w/ her homies, goofing around while "housesitting" and baking cookies while she babysits, all while still living at home w/ mom & dad buying new clothes, purses & make-up?

Londonbridges said...

I also remember this episode. The Duggar family is so abnormal with issues involving sex. I have two daughters and when they were toddlers bathed with their male cousins. After realizing the differences with their cousins, it was just not a big deal for anyone. The children were always supervised as they were in the bath and each time was uneventful.

JimBob and Michelle are totally obsessed with sex, "catching" another blessing, lording it over their blessings who can't even be alone with a member of the opposite sex, hug, etc. It is my opinion that the Duggar blessings are being set up to experience huge issues with sexual difficulties.

Leigh Ann said...

They just see everything as being so sexual. I think a psychologist or psychiatrist or someone would have a field day with this mentality. And they must think so little of their children. Sure we all worry about teen sex and pregnancy and our children being sexually abused or raped. Those are normal things to worry about. But basically telling your children they have no self-control is not how you handle it. I think they're more likely to spawn a problem. If their boys have never been taught that they can't be alone with a girl without doing impure things what's going to happen when they do end up alone with a woman? Like John David towing a woman's car in a desolate area? Well probably nothing but they may worry they can't control themselves and freak out over that. I hope the kids do grow up and write a book. I'll buy it to help them pay for their therapy bills.

Special Ed Lady said...

I was watching a very old episode, it was 14 Kids and pregnant again. They were building their house. The girls, who were so young, were out there, in skirts, flip flops. The boys had on jeans and work boots or sneakers. There are all kinds of things those girls could have stepped on or gotten toes smashed from anything.

Anonymous said...

I saw that episode and heard JB or someone say that the girls all matched Josie or had the right blood type

Judy said...

It's very concerning when you keep your 24 and 25 year old adult children completely away from the opposite sex.

Mindy said...

So call me crazy but Kelly Bates looks pregnant in pics from the trip to CA on their Instagram?!?!

Anonymous said...

I was raised the way the Duggar's are raising their children and it has ruined my life. I had a lot of issues and still dealing with it at 44 year old. I know exactly how this saga will end. They are doing those children a great injustice....makes me sick....enough said.

Ginger said...

RE: the never ending talk about; "Michelle's baggage." From what I've seen & read it's mostly about Michelle bringing "baggage" to her marriage, because of her relationships with other boys while she was in High School. They are always saying, that they themselves, went further than they should have before their marriage. Although, they have never given a hint of an explanation about that. However, they both insist they were virgins when they married. I was thinking, that if Michelle did have that, terrible "baggage," wouldn't you think, by now some man would have come forward, to the paparazzi & spilled all the details about his involvement with Michelle, regarding, what was really involved? After all, that "baggage" has followed Michelle, all her married life & has had a huge impact on how she & Jim Bob have raised their kids.

Anonymous said...

Re Ginger's comment about Michelle's baggage: They are ridiculous about her "awful past". The only reason they claim she has baggage is because she lived a normal 1980s high school girl life. She dated boys, JimBob was her first car date, so how "far" could have she gone? Not far at all. Their acceptable standard was the standard they give their own daughters today with this antiquated "courtship". The young Michelle did nothing wrong at all, it's just unrealistic, extreme Gothardism rules that she is "tortured" with all these years. I'm sick of hearing about it from her. Innocent high school dates are nothing to be ashamed of or nothing to hold over your wife's head, or your own head for that matter. So, they held hands while he taught her how to drive a stick shift, big deal. I wish they would come out of their spiritual coma already.

Leigh Ann said...

Michelle's "baggage" was that she had boyfriends. She dated casually and that's a big sin to JB and he's convinced Michelle it's a big issue. I wish a former boyfriend would come forward and say "I took Michelle to a school dance, my mom drove us there and back and we had a quick kiss at the front door". Everyone not in Gothardland will be like "so?". When Michelle says she and Jim Bob went further than they should have, JB was already fairly conservative, I seriously doubt they did much more than some serious kissing. This a couple that thinks holding hands before you're engaged is going too far so you have to take than into consideration.

Anonymous said...

I was raised in an evangelical Christian home (not nearly as strict as the Duggars), but I still feel guilty for just about everything (including intimate relations with my HUSBAND).

Barbecutie said...

I think the baggage we are talking about really belongs to Jim-Bob. Michelle probably dated other men in High School and got her heart stomped on. Then along comes J.B. who is her knight in shining armor but doesn't like the fact that other men have touched her. So he makes her feel bad about it. He makes her ashamed that she was "dating without purpose" and gave away a pieces of her heart to others before meeting God's intended for her.

hello said...

I would bet that Michelle's "baggage" was something as innocent as holding hands, kissing or giving a full frontal hug. Then I believe Jimboob stepped in and felt the need to save Michelle from a life of sin. Michelle attended public school, was a cheerleader, played sports and wore pants. All the things that Jimboob probably told her were evil and brainwashed her into thinking the same way. It's a shame the kids are never allowed to make any life choices. They have been trained since birth to obey and to never question anything their parents say, especially the girls. They go from being under their father's authority to being under their husband's authority without ever having a chance to think for themselves.

Nancy Nurse said...

RE: Anonymous comment 7/10 @ 6:04 At the hospital where I work, it is the policy that if you give blood, even if your family member cannot use that particular blood (and that's very common)your family member will receive that number of units of blood from the blood bank, at no charge to your family. If you donate 4 units, your family member or sometimes a friend, if you specify that, will receive the number of units you & your family donated. So even if the girls & Jim Bob didn't have the same blood type as Josie, they have replenished that number of units to the blood bank. The family member, (Josie in this case,) will get that number of units that match their blood type without charge.

Anonymous said...

JB had attended a Basic Seminar (Gothard's legalistic training) before he met Michelle, so JB initiated this direction in Michelle's life. Nevertheless, she was an eager novice.

mom in texas said...

Mindy said...
So call me crazy but Kelly Bates looks pregnant in pics from the trip to CA on their Instagram
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Thanks for commenting first Mindy! I saw these pics and thought the same thing but was so hesitant to say anything. I thought "Surely Kelly isn't pregnant again? I mean she has married daughters and a pregnant daughter-in-law. I mean how old is she anyway??" But then I had to remember who I was actually talking about. Time will tell.

Ginger said...

Believe me I agree with everyone who thinks this "baggage thing" is insane. It had to be a high school relationship if even that. Michelle was Married at 17 if not, no more than 18. I believe Jim Bob cannot stand the thought that Michelle was a cheerleader, & probably very pretty & popular. Most of the cheerleaders at my high school were. One time, when Michelle was visiting her friend, Cindy she had Michelle's old cheerleader pompoms out. She asked Michelle if she could remember any cheers. Michelle took the pompoms & recited; "Zack, Zack, he's our man if he can't do it no one can!" I have never seen that footage again! They have shown that particular visit to Cindy's home a number of times, but without the cheer Michelle did. I'll just bet JimBob was furious at Michelle reciting a cheer & on camera for a this long lost football player. Perhaps he was the baggage.

Wampascat said...

I am also sick of hearing about Michelle's so called baggage. Either tell us what it was or shut up about it! Jim Bob should just come out and say "Your Momma was a big 'ol whore before we got married." This shaming is basically saying the same thing.

Leigh Ann said...

Oh, it's clearly Jim Bob's issue but Michelle hangs on every word says like it's straight from God himself so she's taken on his issue as hers, feels guilty about it and doesn't want her children to have the same "guilt".

hello said...

Michelle was probably Jimboob's first girlfriend and can't get past the fact that she had boyfriends before him. That would explain why they "encourage" their kids to marry the first person they court. When Jimboob brought up Michelle's baggage when Josh and Anna got engaged, he might as well have called her a whore. If I was Michelle I would have been furious at him for bringing that up in front of all the kids, but she is trained enough to know better than to call him out on anything he says.

Leigh Ann said...

I was just thinking it's no wonder Jill and Jessa act like a couple of 15-year-olds over their boyfriends (now husband). It's the way their parents act!

auntliddy said...

It seems many of you think JimBob is the one more insistant on religion. I think its michele. Ive been watching for years, and the chronology goes like this: met her, fell head over heals, got married. Started a real estate business together, had Josh. Used birth control, as they didnt want any more babies then. Then the life changing event: michelle has miscarriage. They blame themselves, their attitudes toward more children, and soul search. Get involved with quiverful movement, and jimbob takes fiancial seminiar about living without debt. Now many times jimbob has said, the number of children or when to stop IS UP TO MICHELLE. Once he tellingly said, all I wanted was michelle, and if kids came with that, so be it. So michelle is the one who kept on pumping out the kids- prob cos she felt guilty-, not jimbob. Altho he is a much more involved parent than michelle will ever be. Now mich admits she wasnt an organized parent until she had about 5 kids and realized she HAD to be. Of course as kids-esp girls- grew older, she implimented her buddy ststem, so basically she gets a free ride. The sisters take care if these kids; sometimes she is surprised by what they are doing! Look now how she flits thru house, looking for something to do. Because she is completely removed from normal mothering- she doesnt cook, clean, home school, comb hair, give baths or god forbid put them to bed at night. Without baby on her boob, she's list!!

auntliddy said...

I think Jill is having a ball being married!!!! Their hormones are popping, they prob hv sex all the time, love talking, she sets up her house, meets him for lunch, and all that first married stuff. I dont think she is missing home at all!! And i really hope she doesnt get pregnant right away, for her sake. Just enjoy each other fir a while.

Nancy Ann said...

Oh, boy. If Kelly Bates really is pregnant and Michelle isn't, Michelle is going to have a meltdown.

tulip said...

Looks like Zach & Whit are now on Instagram, and Anna posted a welcome to them (anytime someone "new" from the circle joins social media, the Duggars are sure to "welcome" them...) Their first posts are pics with ABC, guess they're w/ the Bates now for John & Alyssa's wedding segment. The first pic of the whole fam, there's John & Alyssa in the front w/ Alyssa sitting on John's lap. Seems like as soon as these couples get married, the wife sitting on her hubby's lap is the new standard. I've seen it w/ every couple so far. Interesting how now that they're married, suddenly this is an "ok" pose to freely display around all these modest folks & kids Lol. I don't know, lap sitting can start to look pretty personal and stir up thoughts among those that can't be fulfilled...but, far be it from me to say I see other young married couples not so preoccupied w/ the physical because they weren't denied it throughout the relationship. Yes, it may be a cute thing newlyweds do, but coming from this group, I see this as another bragging point of we're married now, so we can do "this."

Wednesday said...

I was watching the earlier episode where they were building their house, and noticed that Hobby Lobby was listed in the credits. Does that upset anyone else, or am I reading too much into this?

Anonymous said...

RE: Auntliddy's comments. I too remember the time JB said all he wanted was Michelle,& if kids came along, so be it. However, I believe when JimBob & Michelle, began to get a great deal of media attention, he then began to think of himself as; world's greatest "stud." He's always telling peole within 30 seconds of meeting them, how many children he has. I especially can't stand it, when he says to perfect strangers, "she's been very good to me." For God's sake keep some things private. Of course, people know how good she's been to him, when they see this large group of kids walking behind them. They act like two teenagers who haven't a care in the world (because they don't) as the older ones handle what would ordinarily be the parents responsibility.
As far as Michelle's baggage goes it truly is Jim Bob's issue. I don't believe he ever had any girlfriends before Michelle, or for that matter even one date. Nothing about Jim Bob's dating past has ever been mentioned. Michelle does get a certain satisfaction from it, that I don't understand & I don't believe it's normal. At least it's not normal in my world. I'd be furious if my hubby ever had anything like that to say about me. Recently, my own adult kids were going over some pictures & saw a picture of their dad escorting very beautiful girl (not me) to his prom. I was saying how pretty she was & it's a normal thing to me that hubby had other girlfriends & I had boyfriends. I've never realized we both had so much baggage..sarcasm!

Anonymous said...

What is Hobby Lobby? Does anyone know?
Also, why does Jim Bob say he leaves the number of kids up to Michelle, when they both say it's up to God? They contradict each other. Also, doesn't Jim Bob notice a problem with Michelle and the"kid" thing? After 30 years, doesn't he notice that she doesn't behave or speak like other 40something adult women? Yes, even other Godly 40+ women?

sandi said...

I think JB was totally in Michelle's head during her teen yrs,over and above her parents and certainly over and above what he should have been.Michelle's cheerleading was between her and her mom and dad,and IMO I don't think JB had a right to come along and guilt trip her about it,to the point that she quit,thinking it was sinful. (due to the outfits and showing her thighs).And him guilt tripping her over past bf's,mowing the lawn in a bikini...it's just all so ridiculous.He was obviously not very respectful of Michelle nor her family,to think he could just come along and get in between their relationships like that.I should say not just in between really,more like going over their heads.JMO.

Anonymous said...

I very much agree with sandi's comment. A teenage Jim Bob did NOT respect Michelle's parents at all. Doesn't his religious beliefs dictate that children absolutely respect their parents? If her cheerleading was ok with them, why did he disrespect their decision... oh, I guess it's respect the parents only when it is Jim Bob and Michelle....double standard... he also convinced Michelle to disrespect hers. Such hypocrites. Talk about accountability? They need to account to their viewing public about those things...IMO

Anonymous said...

RE: Alberta Rose's comments about the kids having real jobs. I don't believe Joy-Anna's babysitting is a real job as I remember distinctly that she had to have one of her sisters accompany her to the babysitting job as a chaperone. In the real workforce you don't have a job at the age Joy-Anna's was at that time, & you definitely aren't allowed to bring a chaperone.

auntliddy said...

Hobby lobby is a craft store owned by extremely christian family. So they arent open on sunday, and their health plan wont cover birth control. Why they care i dint know but thats their stance.
As for michelle's ditsy voice, thats all put on. In one episode, they were all getting in from another one of the trips, and had to get house and selves in order pronto. Guess michelle forgot camera was there, and spoke like normal mon," hey lets get this place cleaned up-". Then stopped and must hv remembered shooting, so reverted to baby voice.

Anonymous said...

RE: Anonymous comments. I'm not sure but I think that "Hobby Lobby," is a craft store of some kind. They probably have kits to build various things, maybe art supplies. I don't know as there are none in my area. Just guessing.
As far as all the contradictions go, I also don't understand that. One minute the kids are studying; "College Plus." The next they are onto something else & not the way normal kids just change their minds. They really aren't kids at all they are young adult. They've raised them, trained them & yet don't trust them out of their sight. Michelle & Jim Bob constantly contradict each other about leaving the number of kids up to God. I realized just how publicity crazy Michelle is, the time she was nursing a baby on a float in a parade in Dollywood. A normal mom would have used a bottle if the baby was hungry, & it really appeared the baby wasn't hungry at all. It was all for show. I don't know if it's part of being in cult, fortunately I don't know that much about cults. I do remember, one time the producer asked the kids what they wanted to be when they grew up. Everyone of those boys, except John & Joe, said they were going to be missionaries. Nothing about any type of education. I think they honestly believe, they just need to pack their bibles & hop a plane for South America & poof they are," missionaries." JB & Michelle were all smiles about the "missionaries" they are raising.

Anonymous said...

Hobby Lobby is a chain of cheap craft stores (almost all of their material is bulk made in China) owned by the Green family. The Green family is heavily enmeshed with Gothard and they have financed much of his operation including some of the ATI facilities in Texas. Thus those seriously held religious beliefs the Green family touted to the Supreme Court were Gothard's beliefs. Yes, the Supreme Court decision was basically supporting Gothard extremism.

Anonymous said...

I believe Michelle just reveled in the attention she received from JB as a young girl. Her older sister & husbands visited JB& Michelle once, & her sister said she was already married with 2 kids when her mom had Michelle. There were about 3 different groups of children in Michelle's own family. I believe just her brother is younger. Her sister did say that the older ones took care of the younger ones in the Raurke (sp?)family. I also thought that Michelle's mom wasn't well when Michelle married & that's probably why she had a close relationship with Jim Bob's mom. Would also explain Jim Bob's control over her from her teen yrs on.

Ginger said...

Now there's a scary thought, that the Supreme Court can be influenced by Gothard's beliefs!

Anonymous said...

Michelle was said to be the baby of the family.

Anonymous said...

I remember the birthday party they had for her dad & Michelle was waiting for her brother to arrive. She said he was the baby & the only boy in the family. But who knows ?

Beth Anne said...

To be fair to Hobby Lobby, their employee health plan now covers 15-16 forms of birth control, including the pill. The Green family (owners) objected on religious grounds to other forms of birth control (aka the morning-after pill) which was what the legal proceedings were generally about.

That being said, anyone affiliated with Gothard, including the Duggars, Bates, etc., gives me the icks. Legalism in a religious capacity is just horrible, imo

Anonymous said...

Michelle has one brother, but he's older than she is. It's long been talked about that part of Michelle's issues come from being the baby of the family. Her sister even mentioned that. Perhaps the OP confused that part of the conversation.

Judy said...

Issues of narcisssim and needing attention are complicated; it's hard to know where either of the Duggars' started or how they've unfolded. As for continuing, they've gotten so much attention that it just continues to feed the fire. It's a huge cycle.

Anonymous said...

I believe Judy has hit the nail on the head. I often wonder how it will all end.

Londonbridges said...

I watched snippets of the wedding of the Websters last night. It made me feel angry to think that the Bateses would sell out such a personal event. Why are the Duggar and Bates blessings being placed on a pedestal? My opinion is that $$$ trumps their privacy. Who made the decision to contract out this wedding? Is this family so financially needy that they need to raise money? Is nothing sacred?

To the Duggar and Bates blessings, you are not royalty no matter what you have been told. Your parents are using you, and for this, I truly feel sorry for you. JMHO

Willow said...

I agree Londonbridges, plus I was so disappointed that after all the build-up that ABC had "filmed the wedding" they really did not show much of it. I wonder if they are testing the waters for the Bates family to have another show. I hope its o.k. to say this, but I think there could be a Gothard/fundamentalist "machine" behind all of this. Josh is in politics (sort of) and John Webster's father is in politics, just to name a few. I have always thought that there is more to all this than we see. JMO.

Willow said...

One more thought. I feel that, sadly, to the people in their like-minded community, they are royalty; although to the rest of the world, not so much. Not really much else I can add to that right now. :)

Nancy Ann said...

Willow, check out this article entitled "The Political Reach of Bill Gothard." You are not being at all cynical to think that there is a Gothard/ATI/IBLP "machine" working in politics. There are certainly other ultra-conservative and fundamentalist political organizations that work together as part of a larger "machine." The group Josh Duggar works for is one of them.

http://heresyintheheartland.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-political-reach-of-gothard.html

Anonymous said...

I just finished watching the Bates special on Nightline. Gothard is gothard yes, and they are still extreme, but I am honestly amazed at the amount of what seems like sincere love for each other that family has in comparison to the Duggars. and I noticed a ton of hugging and none of it was side hugs. maybe they're still terribly fundie but they are just so much more likable and seem like they love each other.

Coleen said...

Saw the Nightline special and I was really impressed with Alyssa's interview. She came across as mature esp. when asked the question about growing up in a big family. She respected her parents decision but it was difficult with that many siblings. I can't imagine any of the Duggar kids answering a question so honestly.

Anonymous said...

Why would the Duggars be considered "royalty" by other like-minded extra large families? Aren't they all just like each other? The only difference between the Duggars and the others is their bank account. So, do these other "Godly" families worship the Duggars because of their financial success? Isn't that going against God's First Commandment? Grrrrr....

Wampascat said...

I also tuned in to see the wedding and was disappointed just to see a rehashing of things we already know. I did enjoy hearing Alyssa stating in so many words that she's enjoying being out of the crowded and noisy house. Sad to hear her say she has no interest in any type of career. Also noticed her shopping in Goodwill for housewares while carrying a brand new Vera Bradley bag. Whatever.

tulip said...

Anyone else notice how Josh has really started packing on the pounds again? Someone posted earlier how there was a pic of him w/ his suit coat ready to bust at the seams, and the more recent pics at In n Out burger & in front of Chikfil-A he's looking puffed up again. Maybe they need material for their workout coach to do more shows, considering JB is looking wider these days as well. Or, maybe all his time traveling & eating out at restaurants and spending free time doing cow costume prep has caught up with him.

Also, anyone else so over Jill's weekly "weekiversary" posts? Ugh, celebrating '3 weeks' bowling w/ the 'the family' (Duggar side, of course)...if they're so Biblical, why does it seem there isn't ever any "leaving & cleaving" happening?

Anonymous said...

Do we think the Duggars have joined the world of celebrity endorsers on social media? Since her wedding, Jill has mentioned Jamberries, Aldi, Walmart, Duck Tape (the brand), IHOP, Allrecipes.com, Ava Laurenne Bridal and Chik-Fil-A. And it's only been 3 weeks. With 240k+ followers on Instagram alone, she would certainly be a good candidate. Wonder if that will get mentioned in the "how we raise 19 kids on a budget" parts of their show.

Willow said...

Thanks for the link Nancy Ann, I am going to go check it out right now!

Yes, it was refreshing to hear Alyssa be honest about her life in a big family. I noticed that also.

geistmadl said...

For the folks who wonder about the Duggar blog. Take a look at the caption for the photo in this article. http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jill-duggar-settles-into-domestic-life-with-new-hubby-derick-dillard-and-sister-jessa-embarks-on-a-mission-trip-with-boyfriend-ben-seewald-40367

Confirms other people run the family blog. Run= write in this case I am sure.

Sharla said...

Confirms other people run the family blog.

Those are the people who run the fan site. They do not run the family's own blog. We do not link to the fan site from this blog.

Andrea said...

Very disappointed with the NIghtline special and totally agree with the other comments about the Bates Family. There was hardly anything from the wedding on there. Also, on camera the Bates come off as very loving and a much nicer family.

tulip said...

I thought the Nightline special was okay. The Bates regularly seem to be more real & genuinely loving than the Duggars ever even try to pretend to be. Not to mention, Kelly looks to be way more hands-on than Michelle ever even tries to pretend to be, and I do think it's real. You just can't fake the way she naturally swings the little kids on her hip and carries them around. Gil does his fair share of toting the little ones as well. I thought it was funny when Kelly was carrying around Jeb who was only wearing a polo & a diaper w/ his binky in his mouth on national TV.

I thought Alyssa was pretty honest in a way I wouldn't ever expect from the Duggar girls. But, notice the master bedroom...looks like Alyssa got her dream room just like Erin did, only Alyssa decorated like a teeny bopper w/ teal & hot pink bedding complete w/ furry pillow & sparkly hot pink picture frame on the nightstand. Even though Alyssa was walking around the thrift store w/ her Vera Bradley, it was still nice to see her picking out stuff for the house there. And it didn't appear to be just a set-up for the cameras. Alyssa had a very modest registry too so the whole thing looked true to form, unlike Jill's registries gone wild, w/ subsequent furniture shopping from Craigslist disclaimer made sure to be added in by Michelle.

geistmadl said...

Yes and yes. Sick of Josh and his preachiness and sick of the cutesy crap from Jill. That'll stop when she gets in the Gothard way.

Anonymous said...

I liked the ABC special. I've always been fond of the Bates, minus Erin. (interjection: they showed footage from a few years earlier in which the Bates family was at a hotel during a tornado watch. Nothing happened, but the anchor said something like, "Even some of the adult children are in tears" and showed (shocker) Miss All-About-Helpless-Little-Me Erin being comforted by Kelly.)

Alyssa's dress was gorgeous, almost...kind of sexy? She looked so so happy and I liked the little follow up they did at the end of her married life. You could definitely see the love between her and her sibs, particularly poor Tori who obviously missed her terribly.

I've stopped watching 19k&c but would definitely watch another Bates season. They seem like such a genuinely kind family. My favorite part of season 1 was Gil taking the time to write each of his children a letter about how much he loved them. He cried reading them and the kids were so touched by them.

Coleen said...

I think the reason Josh is gaining weight is because in the first time in his life he has disposable income and can eat all the fast food he wants. I can't blame him! Many quiverful families limit their kids to one helping and few snacks, because of limited finances, and I imagine the Duggars did the same thing before TLC came along.

Jac&Jil said...

I had such high hopes for Jill and Derick, especially since Derick is a man of 25 and has a real college degree. Then I saw a picture of Jill and Derick dressed like cows, including matching cow bells that said "Mr." and "Mrs.", to get a free meal at Chik-Fil-A. Looks like Derick has joined the Duggar circus in a big way.

Anonymous said...

haha..@Anonymous regarding Erin Bates needing comfort during the storm, that's EXACTLY who I thought was going to cry. But, I do have to commend her for finishing college (albeit, non-accredited), and teaching children piano, so she has somewhat of a career (at least, pre-children), making it more disappointing that Alyssa asserted she didn't want to get a career because she planned to have a baby.

All the Bates seem like sincerely nice people, and I do feel that Kelly Bates loves her children, even when they grow past their infancy (more than I can say about Michelle, that's for sure). I also think the Bates' little buddy system allows for the older boys to take on a bit more of the task to help the little ones, not just the girls'. Or, at least that's what it seemed like, especially since the Duggar little ones seemed to be split up between the eldest four Duggar girls and John David and Joseph don't share that responsibility. I can't agree with their use of fertility help when they say the number of children is "in God's hands"--that line of reasoning doesn't quite sit well.

Anonymous said...

Re: Coleeen's comment about Gill Bates writing letters to his kids & crying when he read them. Wouldn't that be something that you would want to keep private between you & your child? Yes, by all means write a letter to each of them, telling them how much you love them, but don't put it out there for the public. Otherwise it's the same as Kate Gosselin, although she did turn hers into a book.

geistmadl said...

Re Josh packing on pounds... isn't there something in their way of life that talks about being overweight being next to love of satan and nearly a sin?

Diana. in Maryland. said...

I feel that the Bates, while very conservative, seem to be better "balanced" than the Duggars. I see both Gil and Kelly doing things with the tiniest children. I see all the children interacting with each other, not just the "buddy groups." I have to say I've done a lot of reading about ATI, the Duggars, and the Bates recently, and I am more afraid for the future of the Duggars than I am for the Bates.

tulip said...

What's going on w/ Jill & her midwife training anyway? There was a rumor she quit? Idk, the whole thing seems strange. Why go through all that hard work so far & then up & quit? Her midwife mentor posted that she & some friends were the ones who basically designed & organized the whole wedding for Jill. Only 2 new baby posts on the page since Jill's wedding and not including Jill, or even anyone asking about Jill. Just congratulating her, like ppl already know she might be done there? Maybe nothing being said because it's going to be talked about on the special when they show the wedding & recap married life? Jill certainly seems to have lots of free time making dinner, going to lunch w/ Derick & still hanging out at the old homestead, so I wouldn't be first to think she's back to business delivering babies.

After watching the Nightline special w/ Alyssa something really stood out to me. She was asked about a "career" and she hesitated kind of uncomfortably, and then said something about not wanting to start a career because she's afraid she would get pregnant and then have to quit. I kind of got the impression that she may actually be interested in a career of some sort, but that once she gets pregnant, that's it, her life is a stay-at-home mom/wife no matter what. Like a rule that absolutely can't be broken. The way she used the word "HAVE" to quit. Hmmm.

Anonymous said...

Upon watching the Bates segment of Nightline, I couldn't help but wonder why the interviewer didn't ask such an obvious follow up question of Alyssa. When Alyssa said she didn't want to get a job because she was "afraid she would become pregnant", why didn't the interviewer ask her "Why"? It is customary for women today to be both pregnant and employed..Not everyone who watched that segment was familiar with the Bates family and I think it would have merited the explanation from Alyssa as to how their beliefs don't allow for working females, really, at all...etc...

Allison said...

Alyssa never said she'd "have" to quit her career. Not sure where people are hearing that. She said, "I'm afraid that if I started a career that I'd get pregnant and wouldn't go through..." With the career, I'm assuming she meant.

If her priority is to be a stay at home mom, and especially to homeschool her kids like she was, then she might not think that getting a degree and starting a job would be a good use of her money. That's the attitude of a lot of stay at home daughters who have blogs I read. They just stay home and learn skills because they have no intention of working and don't see the point in getting a degree they won't use.

So there is no reason for a follow-up question because she explained why she isn't interested. She doesn't want to get invested in something that she plans on quitting.

Ginny said...

I just had a chance to see the Nightline Special about he Bates Family. I am really wondering why, when when the Duggars arrived at the Bates home for the wedding, the side of their bus says in huge lettering; "The Duggar Family." They were not campaigning for anyone at that time, they were there to attend a wedding. Why then would such an extremely modest & Godly family need to call attention to their vehicle, even if it is a bus, by having lettering announcing that it's;"THE DUGGAR FAMILY !

Anonymous said...

The Bates label on the house and Duggar label on the bus were graphics superimposed by ABC.

Allison said...

Yes, those particular graphics were from ABC. There was also "Bates Headquarters" on their house and I know from previous shows that is NOT on their house. It was so dumb. No idea why ABC needed to do that.

Although to be fair, the Duggars do put their name on their bus, but typically only when they are using it for campaigning for someone, as a marketing tool.

Just me said...

Has anyone else read this. Awesome. A discussion of which Duggar is most likely to break away.
http://powderroom.jezebel.com/which-duggar-is-most-likely-to-break-free-from-the-fami-1587846451

Anonymous said...

Regarding the Duggar modesty, shielding their kids from the opposite sex, and diaper changing... I wonder how diapers apply to their kids? During an old segment, Michelle asked one of the younger boys to leave the room because she had to change Josie's diaper. Does she ask the girls to leave the room is a little boy's diaper had to be changed? Did the older girls change their younger brothers' diapers or only Michelle? I think I saw some segments of the older girls potty training the younger boys? How does that work? Anyone else know? Do the Duggar girls and boys have ANY idea about anatomically correct males and females even infant ones until they are already married?

Ginny said...

I agree that it was probably ABC, that chose to put the graphics on the Bates home, as well as the Duggars bus, but don't the Duggars have a say in things like that? They are always saying that anything that isn't in line with their beliefs, they won't allow it to be shown at all. They are pretty TV savvy. I still think that a big bus saying;"The Duggar Family",is not in anyway, along the lines of how they, are always saying they want to portray their ministry.

Andrea said...

Great Jezebel article! Totally believe it's only a matter of time before someone cracks and has a break away moment complete with People magazine cover.

Nancy Ann said...

Once the Duggars are no longer a big deal on TV, one brave child will break away. After one person breaks the mold others will follow. If Bill Gothard were to go to prison, or his ministries shut down due to legal troubles, that might prompt a child to take their own road. Also, when Michelle and/or Jim Bob are no longer on this earth I expect many of the children will make their own way in this world.

Diana. in Maryland. said...

I thought the Jezebel article was great, too. Surely someone will be able to break away.

Anonymous said...

Now that the Duggar World, has stopped revolving around Jill & Derick, at least for a few weeks or months, whatever it takes. I must say in watching the Duggars, what strikes me the most is how many "lost children," there are in that family. There is hardly any mention of the boys like Jed, Jeremiah, Jason etc. We also haven't seen or heard much from Hannie or Jackson. My heart goes out to JoyAnna who has had the spunk beat out of her. I think she was just trying to assert herself when she was put in her position of chaperone with Jill& Derick, re; admonishing them about the hand holding. I feel badly for Joy as I felt there was nothing wrong with her being a tomboy, although it apparently drove Michelle crazy. Leave her alone, she'll be fine as a adult. My sister was quite a tomboy & it served her well. If I hadn't been very tiny I would have loved playing ball & climbing trees. Of course, it brings me to Hannie, who has always had so much spunk. What has happened to her, other than the big wedding. It may not just be the girls either, we don't hear much from the outspoken Jackson anymore. Perhaps he realized that he was on the road to the "Alert Camp," that Josiah was whisked off to. As I said there are just so many lost children. Who knows what they have aspirations & dreams for or do they have any at all?

Anonymous said...

Two things I thought were interesting.
1) Did anyone else notice the girl in the background at the beginning of the video about the wedding dress opinion(by mr bills wife?)? The girl was wearing jeans & had the bottom half of hair bleach blonde & the top half dyed black. It's a common style but not in the duggar house.
2) The bates have an aquarium with a snake, which they were playing with in the segment. The aquarium is covered with wood planks & cast iron pots. That's enough to secure a snake? But obviously they don't have the pet aversion that the duggars do.
I love the bates. They seem so much more down to earth & less uptight than the duggars.

Just me said...

I definitely agree someone will break away. It will be once the show is off the air, and it will happen once several of the kids have gotten married. Someone is going to end up in a bad marriage. Considering their lifestyle it's going to be a girl. And either she's going to break away once she leaves her bad marriage or one of the younger sibs is going to see how patriarchy failed their sister(s) and they are going to leave. I also have great hope for JoyAnna. She's quiet but she loves her crazy cousin. If Amy finds a purpose in her life and husband and is happy then Joy Anna may want to follow in her non-Gothard approved lead.

hello said...

If any one of them decide to break away, it will definitely be one of the girls. The boys have it easy in that house. They are not really expected to do much, while the girls are expected to cook, clean and be responsible for their younger siblings. The one I would most like to see break away is Jordan. She is like the lost child. She was not even one when Josie was born prematurely and all the attention was focused on Josie. She seems sad all the time.

Wampascat said...

Nancy Ann has it right. It's going to take a couple of funerals and a lot of years for these kids to ever have a life of their own.

Anonymous said...

Another thing about the bates vs the duggars: the duggars are much more "scrubbed". Alyssa saying she loves her family but really loves the quiet after getting married would not have passed the duggars editing. There were a couple of other "negative" things that the bates kids said that wouldn't have made cut if it had been the duggars.

Sharla said...

Gentle reminder: we do not discuss the weight of minor children in derogatory terms and it's preferred not to discuss it at all. Packing on the pounds is definitely derogatory. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

I was watching a digital exclusive on the TLC website where Jinger & Jessa go shopping for their parents' dinner theater meal. Seems strange that they went shopping for things I think the Duggar family would buy in bulk. Eggs, sugar, flour. Wouldn't they already have these things at home? Makes me think that is was just for show and once again to mention that Jessa is now cooking because she is in a courtship and cooking for only two would be good practice for her.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know in the fundie lifestyle if it frowned upon to be away from your husband for more than a day or so. Seems like these girls don't want to be away from their husbands at all. Though I do realize it could just be a Newlywed I'm so in love thing. Erin didn't go with the rest of her family to visit Alyssa & John in Florida because Chad couldn't get off work. Why couldn't she go without him. I think they were gone for 3 days at most. It seems Alyssa didn't go to Jill's wedding because John couldn't get off work. I wonder what would have happened if say the Duggar girls book was published after one of them got married. Say the husband couldn't get off work? Then what would happen? I believe they were on tour for a few weeks.

mythoughtis said...

I believe it is frowned upon in their circles for families/couples to be apart. It's one of the reasons why they didn't want John David to be a pilot. They said he would be away from home overnight regularly. I think another poster commented about a man that was discouraged from being an EMT because he would work 'odd hours', meaning he would be away from home evenings and weekends.
It's probably one of the reasons they uprooted the entire family to go to Little Rock with Josie was in the hospital rather than just have Michlle and Jim Bob trade off staying at the Ronald McDonald house or a hotel while everyone else stayed home.
Being as they have to have accountability partner's for everything, I guess it is not allowed for Alyssa to be at an airport or in a plane by herself. She is, however, also too young to rent a car at a reasonable rate. She's 19.

Special Ed Lady said...

I doubt these girls are able to travel solo, at that age. They have been so sheltered, I doubt they can be aware of what is around them. If they get turned around in a large airport, will they be able to find a security officer, to ask for help. Would they ask a male, or would it have to be female.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but the limits they put on women is a sin in itself, IMO. This belief system has brought women back 150 years. Women long ago have prayed for and have even died for the ability to be viewed as human beings in their own right, free to live out their dreams and pursue their life's ambitions in addition to being wives and mothers. Heck, they even discourage real education and work experience before motherhood. It prepares a young girl for nothing but washing pots and pleasing her husband, who could very well turn out to be a poor example of a spouse and then she is absolutely stuck. They should hang their heads in shame.

Andrea said...

It seems like Josh is away from Anna quite a bit of the time with his job . . . doesn't seem to be much of an issue. I think newlyweds just want to be around each other and sort of break away from their family of origin. That said, I thought it was really, really odd the way the entire family was up and moved to Little Rock especially because it seemed like Michelle and Jim Bob were always at the hospital and not interacting with their healthy children at all during that time. But again, it could all be for TV. Makes for a more interesting storyline to have the hillbillies go into the BIG city of Little Rock.

Anonymous said...

Regarding women(and girls)and weight in this strict religious view. Woman are supposed to be thin as a way to remain attractive. But women are not supposed to exercise too much. I knew girls growing up who were raised this way and they just didn't eat. I remember seeing teen girls who were weak and needed food.

Anonymous said...

Is Jana courting someone near Josh & Anna? She seems to be out in DC with them quite a bit this summer. Unless Anna is feeling overwhelmed with 3 kids and needs help. Tho I can't see Michelle letting her go help Anna when they have already lost Jill and Jessa's "head is in the clouds" but I suppose Jill doesn't have a whole lot to do during the day while Derrick is gone so she might be still helping Michelle out quite a bit. Especially since Jinger and Jessa were gone for two weeks on their mission trip.

paniemilia said...

I'm curious as to people's reactions to Ben Seewald's anti-Catholic rant on his FB fan page. As a catholic, I was pretty offended but I shouldn't be suprised.

Anonymous said...

Re: My thoughts comments. I remember that they didn't want John David to be a pilot as he would be away from home overnight sometimes. Michelle & Jim Bob both definitely said he shouldn't be away from, "his family," on Sundays. That's a family day & for prayer. Especially when the time comes that he has his own family when he's married. Too bad some of us have husbands that have to travel for their company, to make a living. Also what about the military?

Anonymous said...

Regarding career choices for these fundamentalist men: If we all lived and believed as they do, which is something they "encourage" us to do, where would the world be without airline pilots and EMT professionals? There also would be absolutely NO female employees in the workforce at all..How would that work out folks? Pretty badly, IMO. They don't think that next thought out when following that man, (Gothard's) unrealistic teachings, which are NOT based upon anything legitimately biblical, IMO.
Michelle and her made up "modern modest" crap is nonsense. There is nothing modern or modest about them at all.

auntliddy said...

Thanks to you panila, i
moseyed over to read it. The comments there are pretty clear about him being wrong. And i think he is creating a problem where there isnt any; i dont think God minds a bit if you approach Him thru his mom. And Mary doesnt need any guidance or a savior! Ben just had to get that subvert the woman dig in there. But you know what, he is very young and he is gonna make alot of mistakes. But if he thinks he's gonna put jessa under his thumb, he better think again, lol. I dont think she rolls that way!

auntliddy said...

Ankn, they dont think of that because they are ONLY concerned with themselves.

auntliddy said...

Remember when josh first hot married? He said him and Anna wldnt be having a huge famikt, maybe yhree, and he had a regular job and a nice little life. Suddenly the Independent Thought Police showed up, he's working for this extreme organization, and Anna's popping out kids left and right. So his mini rebellion didnt get very far, before it got shut down tight.

auntliddy said...

I just cant resist saying I adore Josy! She has so much spunk and is cute as a button. Mb because she looks like my youngest granddaughter, but I just find her irresistable! And when Michelle yold her the whole world doesnt revovle around Josy, i was thinking, yes it does! Lololol

ESlady said...

If everyone followed Gothard rules, there would have been fewer NICU nurses to care for Josie. There would have been no Dr. Sarver. Don't the Gothardites realize this?

Anonymous said...

The Proverbs 31 surveys a field and purchases it. Is this not an example of a mature man of God who recognizes his wife is a capable person. She is mature and respected. He trusts her judgment. I can't imagine Jim Bob handing Michele money and saying "make this major purchase". He surely discusses things with her. But his is the final word. I think this is a good example of how unbiblical their thinking is.

Missy said...

Wonder if Michelle & JB ever think about women in the workforce, when they need a DR or a nurse? I remember that Michelle was thrilled to find DR Amy Sarver for her OB/GYN, as Dr Sarver didn't necessarily believe, once a C-Section, always a C- Section. What about those women nurses that cared for Josie 24/7? They are always saying how grateful they are for our military, but will never give a truthful answer, about if one of their kids might go into the military. I could hazard a guess at the answer to that. At least John David, was able to fulfill his dream of being a pilot, even if it's only a private pilots license. I give him credit for that accomplishment, as it is very expensive to go for that license. He must have worked hard to save for that. Although, there's always the chance that the Duggars had another "friend," that was a flying instructor.

Andrea said...

Regarding Ben's anti catholic rant on Facebook ... He is very clearly an idiot. He really isn't cultivating an impressive or clean cut image which would be useful to the Duggars. My prediction ... His courtship will be over in 6 months time and Jessa will have moved on to another guy. It's very off putting and as much of a doofus Jim Bob is I've never heard him bash Catholics.

Allison said...

Two things: first, I think it's perfectly reasonable that the family moved to Little Rock. They had no idea how long Josie would be in the hospital and I cannot imagine being separated from my spouse and premie baby for weeks on end just so that the other kids could stay home. I think what they did was in the best interest of staying involved and staying close to each other. I would never want to be separated from my husband during such an emotional ordeal. Do I think Michelle neglected her kids? Probably, based on what was shown, but who knows. But from a marriage standpoint I think it's unreasonable to expect them to be ships passing in the night during something so difficult. To suggest they could just alternate is ridiculous.

And second, Jessa and Jinger weren't in South America alone. A number of the younger kids went with them as well.

Anonymous said...

I think Jana is courting someone in the DC area. She's spent a lot of time there recently, and she's wearing a heart pendant necklace - which seems to be the quintessential gift upon entering a courtship.

Alberta Rose said...

I'm sorry, but the limits they put on women is a sin in itself, IMO. This belief system has brought women back 150 years. Women long ago have prayed for and have even died for the ability to be viewed as human beings in their own right, free to live out their dreams and pursue their life's ambitions in addition to being wives and mothers. Heck, they even discourage real education and work experience before motherhood. It prepares a young girl for nothing but washing pots and pleasing her husband, who could very well turn out to be a poor example of a spouse and then she is absolutely stuck. They should hang their heads in shame.

Being a wife and mother should be treated with as much respect as those who choose to earn a paycheque. There is nothing shameful in being a wife and mother. Also, the midwife and doula programs involve education. Jill is doing hers bilingual, English and Spanish, which is very ambitious. There is also nothing wrong with a woman choosing to create her own photography business. Due to the nature of that business, though, you don't need camera crews traipsing around. 150 years ago women were revered for their ability to raise children and manage the household. They weren't under pressure to go out and raise money so the family could have a "lifestyle" instead of focusing on the necessities. I made it clear to my husband that I am only working to get out of debt and when that's done, I am not working so we can get a fancy car or a second vehicle, a second TV, put our son in private school, buy new clothes instead of discount or used, go on fancy vacation or rent a more expensive house. Since 2002 my main career has been wife and mother. I work outside the home only to pay off a court ordered debt. My hours are worked around my family's schedule. The Michelle Duggars of the world are an encouragement to me. I don't pity the Duggars, I respect them.

Anonymous said...

Re: husbands not being home at night due to work and the military: Do you see any of the Duggar children entering the military? NO,, and it won't happen ever. They believe that is for "others" to do, not them. Elitist jerks.

i_like_pie said...

" Andrea said...
Regarding Ben's anti catholic rant on Facebook ... He is very clearly an idiot. He really isn't cultivating an impressive or clean cut image which would be useful to the Duggars. My prediction ... His courtship will be over in 6 months time and Jessa will have moved on to another guy. It's very off putting and as much of a doofus Jim Bob is I've never heard him bash Catholics."

The Duggars were big supporters of Rick Santorum in the 2012 election and campaigned for him and said something along the lines of "Jesus isn't running for election, but Rick Santorum is the next best thing" (not an exact quote, as I can't find it, but something like that) and Santorum was a Catholic. Then when he didn't make it past the primaries, they supported Romney, a Mormon.

I wonder how long it will be before Jim Bob either hauls Ben into line or tells him the courtship is over. I am betting that, sadly, if Jim Bob told Jessa to end her relationship with Ben, that she would without a second thought. I doubt she would tell her father that she loved him and she was going to keep seeing him if he didn't approve.

Betty said...

150 years ago women weren't revered. They were treated as less than a fully adult human. They had no right to vote and were treated more like children and property than full adults. If the Duggar off spring were truly being educated there wouldn't be so many issues with them. Not one has yet finished an accredited program in anything and they have what six or seven legally adult offspring. That's a horrible record. Women should have the choice to work or not. It is not a decision for parents to make for their children. Jill has quit her midwife program without completing it. No one knows if she will go back. It isn't relevant if a reader here wants to be a stay at home wife, what is relevant is that the Duggars have no choice in the matter and aren't educated enough to have the choice.

London bridges said...

I hold the opinion that each person should have the right to make their own choices e.g. Education, career, partner, "saving themselves for marriage", kissing before marriage, etc. The Duggar blessings have been denied that right of choice, and one day, JimBob and Michelle may just reap their rewards.

My daughters sought our input into these decisions, but ultimately made their choices themselves. They have made wise decisions, and are contributing members of society. I couldn't be more proud of them. JMHO.

Anonymous said...

In the system the Duggars follow, the wife can't tell the husband I'm not going to do something. He is her umbrella of protection and in their world, wives don't work outside the home. It isn't a choice and wives don't get to decide what they are going to do or not do. That is a major sticking point. If someone wants to be a SAHM, it's fine and no one is saying that isn't. It's when that is the ONLY option allowed and almost all daughters are only prepared for that, then people object to that because it is treating daughters as less than fully adult beings and denying them basic rights.

Anonymous said...

RE:anutliddy's comments about Josie. I believe many of us had the same feelings about Hannie, as she was always so spunky. I always loved they way she would explain things as she & Jackson did the talking head segment segment. Jackson would have his take on something that happened & Hannie would talk right over him. Sadly, I believe when it comes to Hannie's spunk, Michelle has decided that Hannie is too much of a tomboy,& is putting the brakes on her. So sad. With Josie, who knows? She's been the "miracle child," her entire life, but after the statement that; "the world doesn't revolve around Josie." I think we are seeing Michelle start to reign her in too. In truth, I guess "spunk, spirit, independence," whatever you wish to call it, isn't allow in any Duggar females.

Missy said...

I really don't know where the idea came from that Jill was doing her midwife training in both Spanish & English. I have never heard that. Also as a Spanish Teacher, I can't believe she has enough of a background in Spanish, to know the various dialects that she would need. Also, the woman that is her mentor would need to be fluent in Spanish. How many Spanish speaking patients have they had there in Arkansas so far? If she hasn't had any, she really needs to go,to another country to study. In order to learn any language in depth, such as a DR, nurse, teacher, might need, you do indeed need to study abroad. Is there any truth to the rumor that she has given up her studies? If she has, & I treat that as a rumor, she will need to resume what she studied in her midwife training in the past, as everything in the medical field changes so quickly. I know that's what happens with nurses & Drs.

Anonymous said...

Re: Allison's comments about the Duggars staying in Little Rock for Josie as well, as the sake of their marriage. I agree that during a difficult & stressful time it's not in the best in interest of a marriage to be like two ships passing in the night. However, they were extremely fortunate to be able to do that. The average family cannot. When my nineteen yr. old son needed to go thru transplant surgery 2 yrs in a row, my husband had to travel the country for his job. It wasn't possible for him to just give up a job that provided the medical insurance for our son. Yes, we were like ships passing in the night, but we both knew the most important thing we needed to do was provide care for our son. So the Duggars were were more than a little fortunate. Of course, I guess they are more blessed than my family.

Mindy said...

Under this system I'm curious as to how Whitney Bates was able to continue working at Sonic after marrying Zach?

Wampascat said...

I believe Jill has given up on her Midwife career since getting married. Derek is now her career until the children come along. Jinger will tinker with her camera until the man God ( Jim Bob) has chosen for her comes along and we will hear nothing more about that either.
There is nothing wrong with being a stay at home mother if that is your choice. The point is, these girls have NO other choice.

Judy said...

I am a SAHM wife and mom (as well as a writer) and feel it's one of the most noble things I could do. That said, I made a CHOICE to do it, and continue to make a CHOICE to do it. In Duggarland, there is no other choice. That's the problem as I see it.

Londonbridges said...

I agree that a wife and mother should be treated with the same respect as career women. However, every woman should be treated with equal respect as their partner. I don't believe this is apparent in the Gothardites. I stand to be corrected, but we have had at least one poster who said he/she was raised in this lifestyle, and this person is still suffering from these issues. JMHO.

mythoughtis said...

Let's also consider the pressure that having a Stay at home wife puts on the husband. Let's consider Joseph: He's going have to be the sole breadwinner in the family regardless of whether or not he makes enough money to do so, or whether or not he wants to do so.
What if it is too much pressure for him? Is his wife going to step up and work so that he isn't so stressed out? Or is she going to say 'I am not working, so there, na, na ,nananana. I will only work when it suits ME'.

I think all the Duggar offspring, regardless of gender, should have been encouraged to either go into college or some other trade to make sure they could support themselves and their children in case of death, disability, divorce, or unemployment of their spouse. With 19 of them, there are bound to be a couple that have any or all of those in their marriage.

coleen said...

The Bates have new pics of Alyssa's wedding on their blog. Love that Alyssa surprised her grandparents with a cake for their 50th wedding anniversary! Also Kelly looked very sexy in her MOB dress.

Anonymous said...

Whitney worked maybe a month at Sonic after they got married. Zach permitted it is the only way she could do it. One must follow the headship (always male) alternatively Zach could decide to leave Gothard and they could go regular conservative Baptist and make joint decisions.

Anonymous said...

The idea that Jill was quitting her midwife training came from the woman she was training under. They posted pictures of her farewell party on the FB page.

Diana. in Maryland. said...

Have you ever noticed that Michele calls her children by their full names, always? Jimbob will use a diminutive... but she calls them "Jed-e-di-ah" or "Jer-e-mi-ah" or "Joy-An-na" but he will say "Jed", or "Jer" or "Joy". Is it that he knows them better, sees them as more individual, or what?

Wampascat said...

Don't like Jessa. Never have. She and Ben are two peas in a pod. As far as his hateful posts go, she was probably hanging right over his shoulder telling him exactly how to word it.

Judy said...

Is anyone else like me and thinking Oh well Jill should know by now if she's pregnant yet? LOL. It's been for weeks, after all. ;)

Katie's Mom said...

Regardless of all the nonsense around the Duggars; the wedding, Jill giving up her studies,etc. I am really concerned about Derick's mom. I know we haven't had a chance to see her more than a couple of times, but she seemed like a very lovely lady, who was looking forward to her role as Jill's mother-in-law. It really doesn't matter who she is, cancer is a terrible disease. I think Sharla, does an excellent job with this blog, & I think the people that write are very kindhearted & caring. I hope everyone offers a either a prayer of some kind, or just a kind thought for her, as well as all the others that are suffering from this disease. Lets spend some time & energy thinking of those who are having such a difficult time with their health. I truly hope the Duggars are praying for Cathy (I believe that's her name.) So far, I haven't heard that they have mentioned her in any of the articles written. Dericks family appears to be what the Duggars would consider "Godly people or good Christians," yet look at what their family has gone through with his dad's death & now his mom's illness. Guess they are not quite as blessed as the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

Today in a repeat episode of the Duggars, Michelle left Josie for the first time, & went with the family to see the "Passion Play." Josie had been diagnosed with lactose intolerance, while she was in Children's Hospital. I remember, that Michelle was just devastated that she had pumped all that breast milk & now she couldn't use it for Josie or nurse Josie, as she would need a special formula. She kept saying some other baby would benefit from the breast milk, but not Josie, but she was very upset about that. Apparently, that diagnosis solve all Josie's digestive & intestinal problems. However as Jill was preparing the bottle, with a list of the ingredients prepared by Michelle, she was counting off the ingredients, & as she added them. I noticed that she mentioned she was adding 5 ounces of breast milk. I truly believe Michelle could not deal with Josie not having breast milk, even with this lactose intolerance problem.

Anonymous said...

Re: Jill giving up her midwifery career. I am so very sad to read that, but do need to wonder how the Duggar supporters feel about that. One minute, she's going to be this very special bilingual midwife & along comes Derick & that's out the window. It shows me what's to come with the rest of them, as Jill was supposed to the most devoted to her "profession." I never believed she knew more than a few words of Spanish. I certainly didn't believe she was studying in such an ambitious manner, just based on all the traveling they do.I guess we know tha Jana is out of the doula business, as she never wante to be in it, in the first place. Jessa doesn't seem to have any goals at all, & I don't believe for one minute that Jinger is a professional photographer. She may enjoy that as a hobby, but that's it. The thought of all those adults with no real education, profession, or just plain jobs.. a job that requires you to get up in the morning & be at work & yes perhaps work late & even (horrors) on Sunday. Believe me, that's not what Josh has at this point in his life. he's living the life of riley, so to speak, thanks to his relationship with TLC & his parents willingness to show up at every protets.

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