Tuesday, November 4, 2014,9:00 PM, Jessa's Engagement

With two Duggar weddings down and 17 to go, is the family ready for another set of nuptials? Ben plans a special surprise scavenger hunt proposal for Jessa with each challenge relating to a special moment in their courtship.

61 minutes

106 comments:

Anonymous said...

anyone see the video where ben is asking Jim bod for Jessa hand. That is so Phony. never asked how he would provide for his daughter like he did derrick? I would be grilling this kid on were his faith his how could he provide for her with no job. we now how phony it is since daddy duggar is going to be handing them a big check each mother. so phoney.

Leigh Ann said...

I thought last week was the end of the season. It has to be stressful on these young men to have to propose on national television. You really have to come up with something. Well, Josh didn't but that's Josh. And he was the first so he didn't have to worry about out-doing the last guy.

leecy said...

Ok....torturing my masochistic self by watching this episode. BIN cant even form sentences. The poor kid was handed over to the Duggar machine and who knows the outcome. His parents stare adoringly and hang on every word the Dugs say. They must be star-struck because the Dugs are THE fundie family of the world.... OMG

Anonymous said...

Wow. What an awkward episode. The terrible gift wrapping to the hand holding mistake, eesh. Who hadn't wrapped a gift before? I thought Michelle was going to faint when they held hands. Good thing they're married now I suppose. Hey, at least this is the first Jill and Derickdillard free episode. I'm tired of them.

Anonymous said...

They had a frontal hug when he proposed....BEFORE marriage. It is doomed. There is no hope. Wonder what JB and Michelle thought when they saw that.

Anonymous said...

The did a frontal hug! JB and Michelle are gonna lose their minds!

leecy said...

So Bin planned this whole thing huh? I just looked up prices on the Eureka Springs train. Lunch starts at $24.00 / adults and $12/kids. According to the "comments" during the episode, it said there were at least 50 people on the train. So a 19-year old that works as a farm hand pays for all this plus a airplane fuel, roses, mini-golf, trolley, etc......
Poor BINSeewald was probably talked into this whole thing and was overwhelmed.

These people are such hypocrites....buy at thrift stores and save the difference? Wish someone would spill the beans and give the truth behind this family. Come on cameramen, sound guys, producers....anyone wanna spill?

Anonymous said...

Omg! That full-frontal hug!! Scandalous!!

no name said...

Michelle saying that stuff about jessas' guy and her man where kind of creepy. It's sad that they can't even be alone for a proposal. I also thought I heard Josie asking something about Ben kissing Jessa. Sad that they can't do that.

JillL said...

I thought that Ben did a beautiful job with the proposal.

I loved how his parents were there as well and his dad was so supportive. It was nice (form what we saw) that JB stayed out of the way. I feel bad that Derrick did not have his dad around for his special day,

The chapel was stunning and I was touched to see Jessa get teary eyed and that she was visibly moved.

Her answer was a classy "yes" and not "totally" and goofy.

Full frontal hug - whoo-hoo!

Anonymous said...

A full frontal hug??????????

auntliddy said...

It seemd nice, and i liked she showed some real emotion at last. He is still an idiot tho.

Anonymous said...

Did everyone see the frontal hug during the engagement? Or as most of us would say a regular hug.

Aimee said...

1. They held hands to pray the night before they got engaged. His parents didn't seem phased at all. Jim Bob smiled and said it was fine but Michelle was FREAKING OUT! I think maybe all of these crazy rules are hers...

2. After she said yes, they hugged. A front hug. A real hug with tears in their eyes!

Too young. Too poor. Too uneducated. Whatever people say, at least she lets him finish her sentences and doesn't talk with big eyes or sweet words. Maybe, just maybe, they are going to be real.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Big Frontal engagement hug! I doubt Jinger tattled...

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad that when they held hands to pray and Jimbob and Michelle told them NOT to, that Jessa gave them the side eye and Ben and Jessa didn't Flintoff even look at each other to let go. It was as if they decided, "we are holding hands today".

Michelle tried to play it off saying "its ok, its ok".

I wish they had a better shot of Jessica's side eye to her mama

Beedageeda said...

These two, particularly Ben, make me super uncomfortable. What's his deal??

Liamsmom617 said...

No comments about Ben and,Jessa's "frontal" hug after he proposed? My jaw dropped!!!

Judy said...

I don't understand all of the build up to an engagement that is a fait acoompli anyway....They go on and on and make this whole big thing and it's like....just do it already.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Loved this episode! Ben was so sweet to do all that, and their engagement was beautiful in that chapel.

Anonymous said...

Everyone catch that full frontal hug after Ben popped the question? lol

Special Ed Lady said...

Good grief they are already married. We just saw Jill's engagement and wedding. I have no interest in another one so soon.

taurus0385 said...

I was sleeping for work and missed this last night. Is the full episode up anywhere yet. I'm kind of curious.

Anonymous said...

These two definitely kissed before their wedding day - just sayin'

Anonymous said...

Beautiful! Ben gave Jessa a wonderful, memorable proposal. Creative, thoughtful and imaginative.

Liamsmom617 said...

No comments about Jessa and Ben "front-hugging" after he popped the question?!?

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with Leecy! There is no way Ben planned or paid for that extravagant proposal. Michelle's frantic response to Ben and Jessa holding hands while praying makes me think that whole dinner was staged - they were probably already engaged and forgot to NOT hold hands for the benefit of the cameras.

Dar said...

Thought the proposal was well done, but don't think for one minute that Ben did the planning. I saw this scenario play out on Michelle's birthday. I am sure Ben contributed some of the info, but it took more planning than I think he is able. Might be wrong but my opinion.

I do like the scene in church. I just think he is far too immature and under JimBob's wing.

Anonymous said...

so Jim Bob asks a college educated Derrickdillard (one word I think lol) how he'll support Jill but just gives Benseewald "Michelle and I's" blessing. Oh wait - Jim Bob already knows who'll be supporting them. The Scavenger hunt was well played but awkward. I really don't think Ben did all this planning on his own - yet another TLC script. Oh and where is Josiah?

Anonymous said...

I thought their body language, look in their eyes, their words and their hug were extremely sincere. I know people express their love in different ways, but I think Jessa and Ben are more "in love" than Derick and Jill. I think Derick and Jill "love each other" but we all know that being in love and loving each other are two totally different things. Jessa and Ben reminded me of my husband and myself in our early days (except we kissed after our proposal!). So in love. I felt bad for Jessa and Ben immediately after he proposed and she said yes, because they wanted to kiss soooooo badly. I really think they kissed before the wedding. They were just too in love not to.

Anonymous said...

Ben's parents seem sweet, but his dad just seemed a bit "too" happy. His grin was just over the top - like the Cheshire cat on Alice in Wonderland. I think a lot of his cheery, ear-to-ear grin is about his son marrying a Duggar. Wonder if he'd be so excited and smiley if Ben were marrying just a regular, ordinary, non-famous gal.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with whomever said at least Jessa doesn't interrupt Ben every time he speaks. Jessa lets Ben speak, and vice versa. Jill's interruptions when Derick speaks are getting worse and worse. That poor man has to be annoyed deep down.

Anonymous said...

I think Ben is very good-looking. His eyes are a pretty blue and he has long lashes. He also has a good height and build, and muscular arms. Jessa got herself a good-looking, shorts-wearing, non-David-Waller-looking guy. Good for her! They'll make some beautiful babies. Just hopefully not 19 of them.

tulip said...

"No comments about Ben and,Jessa's "frontal" hug after he proposed? My jaw dropped!!!"

No, because Jessa isn't sweet, perfect Jillymuffin, she's just Jessa. What a huge gasp when Jill & Derick "accidentally" frontal hugged at the airport and Michelle having to say she was sure that wouldn't happen again. But Jess & Ben? Who cares.

I don't believe the stuff about Jessa & Ben kissing before the wedding. I also don't buy into all the Jessa-hype that she's such an individual and a rebel, using her own mind to do what she wants to do. Nope, IMO, I see it more as a snotty, conceited personality trying to exert control. She still wants all the kids, Ben to "be the man" as far as working, providing, etc. and spouting the Gothard nonsense. I saw it early on in that episode where the girls were sitting around being questioned about relationships, and Jessa was the one who piped up that they're not all just sitting around waiting for prince charming, kind of like defending their creepy lifestyle by throwing out b*tchy remarks to all the "haters."

I think they kissed in private because she saw what a laughing stock all these "first kiss at the alters" have been. Her own brother made a complete mockery out of it all by diving in full attack mode and sucking of Anna's entire face. David & Priscilla's falling rose petal scheme couldn't cover up his sloppy, gross slobberfest and Jill & Derick's got it's fair share of eww, yuck & awkward comments. Knowing Ben, I'm sure Jessa didn't want to risk anything getting caught on camera.

I also think the blush gown was a nod to missing out on proms & all that girly mainstream high school stuff, kind of like Erin's ode to 8-yr. old girl pink bedroom décor. IMO, nothing special here w/ Jessa, folks. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

Who gets upset that someone holds hands during a prayer? It's completely ridiculous to think joining hands for prayer is a potentially sexual thing. To me, it's sinful that Michelle even considered that. I'm so glad Ben and Jessa didn't let go of each other's hands. And kudos to the Seewalds for keeping their mouths shut. Get a grip, Michelle.

Anonymous said...

See, Ben and Jessa just proved to every Duggar that two grown people who are in love can frontal hug after their engagement without losing their salvation or their virginity. It's a normal reaction to a very special, emotional time with the love of your life. And I'm certain Ben and Jessa frontal hugged many more times before their marriage, as well as kissed. I don't think they did more than that, but hugging and giving a peck on the lips to your fiancé is not a sin. It's an expression of the love God created between to people who want to spend forever together. I'm not advocating premarital sex, I'm only saying that giving a hug and a kiss within reason are normal expressions of a couple in love and they're not sinful. And for heaven's sakes, holding hands is the most harmless expression of love. It seems like Michelle and JimBob have made just about everything out to be about sexual impurity.

Judy said...

I was wondering who paid for the ring....

Anonymous said...

It seemed to me that both the hand holding and front hug were too natural for the both of them if in fact it was the first time either of those things had happened. I'm thinking they have found opportunities to share some normal physical affection at some point prior to their engagement. They seem like a really sweet young couple and I certainly hope they make it and are truely happy together. I also hope they are able to live their lives the way they feel led and not according to their parents radical legalistic views.

Anonymous said...

Poor Ben. He's so tongue tied, it's downright painful to listen to him speak.

Did anyone catch the stilted and convoluted way he asked Jimbob for Jessa's hand? "Since me and Jessa, you know, been spending more time together and drawn closer together... I was just wondering if, if I have your permission to ask Jessa...'s permission to marry her."

The only thing I could possibly compare Ben's speech to is Lucca Brasi at the wedding scene in The Godfather "Don Corleone, I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your daughter... 's wedding... on the day of your daughter's wedding. And I hope their first child be a masculine child. I pledge my ever-ending loyalty."

Anonymous said...

Good planning for the engagement Ben. The only change I would have made was to leave the little girls home. They did not need to ride the train or stand outside of the chapel.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how much of that scavenger hunt proposal was actually Ben's idea and not orchestrated by TLC. I don't see how he could have planned that all himself with everyone's perfect cooperation. He doesn't have the take-charge personality that it would take to do all of that.

Anonymous said...

Sad that Jessa said she would have liked to get married there but couldn't, 1000 people wouldn't fit. Why do they have to invite people they most likely don't know. Also, joyanna doing Ben's hair was weird and Michelle and Jim Bob allowed her to touch him

Anonymous said...

I looked up the Thorncrown Chapel website and Grandma Duggar is right. Thats the most beautiful local chapel they could marry in. I would forego the big ceremony and have the ceremony there. Maybe Jana

Maria said...

I think Jessa is over it. She just wants out of the compound and is ready to start living her own life. She'll wear the pants in that marriage, as she seems like a no nonsense person, who prefers to just be real and make decisions for herself. I will be surprised if she comes up pregnant soon. The "small cozy cottage" she talked about wanting for her and Ben doesn't appear to be something that would house a bunch of children. I think she'll wait. Good for her for not making a scene and showing off her first kiss for everyone. I loved her dress.

auntliddy said...

Not only was it a frontal hug, it was very natural and unforced, like they have done it before. I think part of reason jb okayed marrige so fast was because jimb was afraid jessa may hv a bun in the oven before marriage, lol. Remember when she said they may elope? I dont think she was kudding! Lol. And jb knew it. And joyanna said jessa sees ben for bfast, lunch and stays up latereading the bible with ben. So they have had alot of chances to sneak off and smooch. As for micheles baby voice, its so silly and fake. In one wpi they got home from one of their inane trips, and michele forgot her self and growled out ' lets get this place cleaned up!", kind of like a DI, lol. Then she remembered shes supp to be a sweet voiced fairy of love, and cranked the sugar level way up- " yes, lets purpose to clean the house" lol

Anonymous said...

what's your take on the hand holding at the restaurant? Did you hear Michelle say something like 'daddy what do we do?". Did you see Jessa and Ben continue to hold hands as Michelle repeatedly said, "It's ok, it's ok". What a nutcase.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Jessa and Ben were engaged at the time of Jill's wedding, yet Jessa was talking about eloping. I guess the engagement was already a reality in her mind. Or perhaps they actually were engaged and didn't announce it.

She looked lovely, even if barefoot at the rehearsal, wearing a pretty above-the-knee dress.

Beth Anne said...

I agree with Anonymous 12:05 P.M. Shame on Michelle for getting upset that Ben and Jessa were holding hands during a prayer. For someone who claims to be so very Christian, she was more focused on the couple breaking a stupid man-made/Gothard-made/Duggar-made courtship rule than on the meaningfulness of the prayer. I for one think God was happy to be a part of a special time in a young couple's lives and could've cared less if Ben and Jessa were holding hands!

Michelle and JimBob are so legalistic, it drives me nuts!!!

puddin' said...

It was alittle drawn out. But it was a change...i'm so glad they held hands over prayer (dont most people well except in The Duggar Compound)and so glad they did a frontal hug. Wish they would of layed a big kiss on each other. Would of liked to see how Jboob and Me-chelle flip their already flipped lids! I hope Jessa & Ben do well...atleast they have changed things up abit. (GOOD FOR THEM) ***FREE JANA*** Oh and So glad Jessa lets Ben talk...unlike the Jillymuffins...Derick can't get a word in edge wise..that will get old to him after awhile...marriage is new n shiney now but those kind of things get old after awhile. IMO

Anonymous said...

I would love to see the day when this circus is over and one of the production crew writes a tell all book.

Anonymous said...

Did you hear what Ben said at dinner right before they held hands? JB said "lets hold hands". Michelle said, "Them?" and Ben said, "Yeah, right now". Looped it to make sure that's what he said. that is what he said. hilarious.

Wampascat said...

They invite thousands out of pure greed. They want gifts and checks.

hello said...

I believe Jessa and Ben held hands, hugged and mist likely kissed before they were married. I only saw a little bit of the episode last night and it was the part where they were in the restaurant with their parents. They went to hold hands to pray and I thought Michelle was going to have a major fit amd then she looked at Jimboob and turned around and said it's ok. They have said time after time that they let their kids decide on their own courting rules, but in an interview Jessa said they abide by their parent's rules. They didn't trust Jillymuffin and Derickdillard alone in church to call his sick mom hours before they got married. They didn't trust Jessa and Benseewald to not hold hand while handcuffed playing silly games. Maybe Jessa and Benseewald stopped at Walmart on their way to their wedding night to stock up on condoms.jimboob and Michelle need to stop pressuring their kids to start having babies as soon as they say I do. None of the kids are prepared to finacially raise super large families, especially when the TLC gravy teain comes to an end. The show will not go on forever.

Anonymous said...

If they truly pick their own rules, why was Michelle making such a big deal about the hand holding? She said no, not you, then looked at Jimbob and he backed her up at first but then Jessa gave Mama D the side eye and Michelle backed off and said "its ok its ok" to play it off.

If they truly picked their own rules this is what should have happened:
Everyone joined hands
Michelle should have said "did you two realize you are holding hands? Did you decide to go ahead and hold hands today?"

Chaperones should be polite reminders not whistle blowers.

Anonymous said...

I was pleasantly surprised by Jessa's reaction to Ben's proposal. I actually was in tears when she said "yes". It was very different from Jill's. We've been saying that Jessa isn't emotional, but I think it's quite the contrary. She seems to love Ben very much and I look forward to seeing more about her engagement. It also was an interesting contrast to the rest of the season which was "All About Jill".

Anonymous said...

I think that Ben and Jessa really love each other, contrary to what most people think. I think they are both more introverted and like to keep things personal and get awkward and tongue tied around cameras. But you can tell that they love one another.

I think Jana, Joy and Jinger all seemed genuinely happy and excited for Jessa…although that scene was probably staged.

Ben has been looking really good lately and I actually think that he's grown into a really great looking young man. I also think he dresses really modern and nice…I don't know why the Duggar boys never wear shorts even in the dead of summer.

That handhold looked SOOO natural…they must have planned that or done it before. Jessa looked at them like SHUT UP I'm going to hold his hand, and I'm so glad they did! That scenario spoke volumes!

It was great to see more of Jana and Joy…I think Jana is so sweet and caring. She doesn't seem bitter towards Jessa's relationship like she did to princess Jill's. I get from what Joy said about Ben "growing on her" that she didn't like him at first.

Ben's idea for that chapel was beautiful. He really thought long and hard about what to do and made it so special. I actually cried at how simple and beautiful and natural the proposal was and how in love they look! That hug was so natural and perfect I'm absolutely thrilled for them!!!! They will truly have a dynamic marriage!

Sweet Pea said...

I was actually surprised to see baby Marcus wearing shorts during the Skype session.

Anonymous said...

I just want to reiterate that it is not just Michelle flipping out about the hand holding before an engagement. Jim Bob actually put one of the younger kids in between Jessa & Ben, one time when they were all going to hold hand & pray. Most of the inane rules come from Jim Bob. Michelle is just the enforcer

Anonymous said...

Re; anonymous 11/5 @12:40pm OMG Your comments were so on target. I laughed until I cried. How right you are, a scene right out of the "Godfather!"

Anonymous said...

The Last Supper-style, everyone-face-the-camera triple date caused quite a conundrum. "We must hold hands to pray, but this courting couple can't hold hands, but we must hold hands to pray..." I'm surprised that Michelle's head didn't spin off as she tried to sort this out. This is a perfect example of the conflict between legalism and God's grace. Had they not been thinking about the cameras, perhaps they could have sat 3 on a side, couples facing each other, with Jessa and Ben thus unable to hold hands.

JB and Michelle have been talking for years about their standards of conduct for relationships. There's talk, and then there's reality. WIth each new courtship, we see those standards meeting the challenges of reality and humanity. Josh and Anna, IIRC, presented no slip-ups, at least not on camera. Derick touched Jill's lower back while walking in Nepal, and their accidental frontal hug at the airport was ground-breaking. Ben and Jessa had a real moment in the chapel... a sweet proposal, a whispered yes, falling tears, and then a seemingly spontaneous, but definitely joyous and loving, full-on frontal hug.

Standards, may I introduce Reality!

Anonymous said...

I am glad to see Jessa flex her muscles even its just a little bit.

Jessa do some more flexing, gwt on birth control, both of you get a job, and both of you go to college. You are a hard worker and have worked all of your life. If uou want to marry to have sexy time fine, but take advantage of being away from the compound.

I would have some hope if it weren't for the "have as many kids as possible" p.r. tour they went on before marriage.

Its too bad really.

Ginger said...

When I saw Josh in the talking head segments, I feel sure he's having some type of "procedure" for his declining hairline. I don't think it's hair plugs & I'm not sure what type of procedures are available these days, but it definitely looked like the front of his hairline is at least being "freshened up."

Anonymous said...

I am glad they shared their first kiss in private. I think JB acted like a peeping Tom at Jill's wedding, standing there gawking at her giving Derick a kiss. It was weird. He is way too involved in their personal lives.

Katie's Mom said...

When I saw Jim Bob again making a scene, & kissing Michelle as they were supposed to be decorating the Chapel, I noticed after he dipped Michelle & kissed her a number of times, Jana who was standing nearby started to clap. Is he really so insecure or does he have such an inflated ego that he needs applause(she looked embarrassed) from his daughter? This was supposed to be about Jessa & Ben. No matter how you feel about Ben, this was his time to shine, but the Duggars had to show off how in love they are compared to every other married couple. Of course, who knew it would be worse at the wedding.
I also didn't know why the entire family, 50 people had to go along to the Chapel for the engagement A few of the older girls could have had the Chapel decorated fine, if they went early enough. They just placed rose petals & candles around. Why did they drag all the little ones along? Jill always wants the little ones around, I guess to show them off, like Michelle does, but Jessa not so much. I think Ben's Mom shows a deep affection to Jessa. She always gives her a frontal hug & hold her tight as thought she really loves her.

Leigh Ann said...

And Jill and Derick's frontal hug at the airport was very natural, too.

And I'm sure Ben had tons of help with the proposal and the whole scavenger hunt might have been TLC's idea but it's still a stressful thing. He's proposing on TV and it's gotta be good and it's gotta be better than the last proposal. Or at least different. Even with a TV show to write it all out, it's still hard.

Do we know where they're living now?

Anonymous said...

Can anyone anywhere teach Jim Bob not to say: "Michelle & I's as if it were Eyes," It really just grates like fingernails on a blackboard.

Anonymous said...

Just watched this episode last night. I thought that Ben did a great job with the scavenger hunt and proposal. How thoughtful of him to think of things that they had experienced together and to propose in a church they knew they couldn't get married in but one that she loved. I was very impressed and thought that all of the effort he put into it was very sweet and romantic.

I thought that the gift wrapping was cute. He is not macho and afraid to admit that he doesn't know how to do something. He didn't let not knowing stop him from trying.

I have not been a Ben fan in the past but I was impressed by his effort and thought he did such a nice job.

For ONCE I saw real love between them as well. I think that they don't know how to show it since they are both young and this is their first relationship, (add in all of the Duggar rules and how COULD any of them show real affection or love?) but I did see real love. The thought that he put in, plus the planning and actual execution of the proposal, combined with Jessa showing actual emotion about him gives me a little bit of hope that they might be able to work through a marriage together.

I also thought again what a nice young lady Joy is. Her explanation of how her relationship with Ben has evolved was sweet. I just like her so much.

Well done Ben!

Anonymous said...

Photo of Ben and Jessa kissing on her Instagram.

http://websta.me/n/jessaseewald

Also, I was surprised that Joy was allowed to touch Ben (while doing his hair) and that Jill and Jessa are allowed to shave their guys. Those all seem like very intimate acts for Duggar standards.

I think that Ben likely came up with everything involved in the proposal but no doubt he had help setting it all up and making it happen. That's ok. I don't see a downside to that. Good for him to have the confidence and strong enough relationships with JB and Michelle and Jessa's siblings to ask for the help! I am pleasantly surprised that he is close enough to be wiling and able ability to do that, especially since he "works" for JB.

They wanted their families involved and I think that's a good thing. Nothing worse than having in-laws who are not happy about the wedding.

I also think that having them involved is a logical move since these families are very much insistent that the whole family get to know the future spouse. I don't see a downside to any of that.

I still say good job Ben! We planned and so very thoughtful.

Anonymous said...

I actually enjoyed this episode, minus a few moments. Would have been so much better had Michelle not been in it.

Michelle's reaction to Jessa and Ben when they held hands to pray was ridiculous. They were praying for crying out loud. Jessa was over it, the look on her face to her mother was priceless. It was as if she was saying come on Mom get over it. She had already closed her eyes to pray and Michelle was still freaking out.

Do these guys not know how to style their own hair? Why did Joyanna have to do Ben's hair?

The proposal and everything leading up to it was really nice. But, there is no way he thought of every detail or put this all together. I think some of the things were his idea, but there is no way he could afford to have the train and rent out that chapel by himself. My guess, and just a guess, is TLC asked him what he would like to do and then suggested some things. In any case it was nice and well thought out.

That chapel was beautiful. It is too bad that Jessa couldn't have a small intimate wedding there instead of the circus like Jill had.

I never felt that Jessa was really that crazy about Ben but I think they seem more right for each other than Jill and Derek. There engagement and wedding didn't seem intimate or romantic. There is something missing from Jill and Derek that Jessa and Ben seem to have. Never thought I would say that. Maybe it is because Jessa and Ben actually did spend more time together than Jill and Derek.

Anonymous said...

When JimBob dipped Michelle in the chapel, it seemed like it embarrassed Jana and Joy. I noticed Joy seemed mortified, but tried to stifle her feelings a bit. I don't understand why JB and Michelle don't realize that you can show affection for your spouse without going overboard, especially in public. People don't want to see that. It's awkward for those around them, especially the teens. He could have just smiled sweetly at Michelle or maybe touched her arm softly... just something more appropriate for public affection. Everything is about sex for these people.

Anonymous said...

I went back and watched the scene in the restaurant regarding the hand holding. After seeing it again, I'm convinced the whole thing was staged. JB says, "Let's hold hands" and then Jessa and Ben didn't even flinch. I think it was to generate ratings; the producers and even JB knew it would light a spark in viewers (and it has)... and they were probably ok with it from the get-go because they knew Jessa and Ben were getting engaged in a few hours... plus it's just for prayer. It was totally planned and staged.

Anonymous said...

The frontal hug in the chapel was planned too. I bet you they got permission to hug beforehand... because seriously, what viewer wants to see yet another boring, unnatural, unemotional side hug after an engagement proposal. The frontal hug was producer-planned and parent-approved, guarantee it.

Anonymous said...

When the family was decorating the church and JIm Bob HAD to dip Michelle and start to kiss her, yet again, didn't anyone hear Joy, I think say, "Dad, Dad" like she was embarrassed and wanted him to stop? I heard that. They really need to quit carrying on like that and BE modest...keep it in private, folks, you're not attractive anymore.

Anonymous said...

It was a beautiful proposal, but I can't help but feel there is something fishy about Ben. Some of the opinion he has expressed on his social media have been intolerent, even by Duggar standards (or maybe the Duggars know when to shut up in public). I'm not sure what this kid will do for a living. My best guess is that Jessa will end up having to work to support him. I hope she's not really studying to be a mid-wife as it has been reported, I don't think she would be happy doing that. I see her as a real-estate agent or something like that. I think she has the personality for that.

SuzieQZ said...

Just saw an older episode in which JB went bowling with Josh et al. Loved that Anna's mom was wiping the bowling alley with JB and you could see it was stressing Michelle out that JB was being bested by a female. Of course the script wouldn't allow for such a blow to the huge JB ego, so I'm sure editing took place and JB won by one pin. Episode concludes with smug closeup of JB and creepy laugh. Roll credits.

Rudy Tecat said...

What a difference it is between Josh's proposal to Anna, and Derick Dillard's and Ben Seewald's proposals!

Boo's Mom said...

I wonder how the Instagram pic is gong to go over with M&JB? LOL

Anonymous said...

Check out the article "19 Kids and Counting: Defiant Duggar daughter broke 'courtship rules'." on Examiner.com. It's about Jessa & Ben holding hands in public while they prayed the night before he proposed. Although the title of the article refers to Jessa, the large photograph is of Michelle gazing adoringly up at Jim Bob -- the oracle of all wisdom. These courtship rules (which were set by the couples, you know) are crazy.

beef said...

Does anyone know how Ben is supposed to "support" Jessa? Is he going to keep on doing chores for Jim Boob or does he have a real job lined up or what? That was conveniently not discussed, even though JB mumbled something about it when Bin asked for his permission.

Anonymous said...

Yes I know, but last night Michelle was really causing the scene. It usually is Jimbob. It made me sick when he stepped between Jill and Derrick in Nepal. As if D erick was going tp take Jill right there in the middle of the market.

Anonymous said...

Just want to say that the entire time these girls courted they were never allowed to be alone with their fella.....therefore not so much as even one private conversation about anything intimate. The video Jill has posted on the Duggar Blog says her parents encouraged all these conversations about deep life issues. I don't believe it.

Anonymous said...

I noticed before Jessa changed into her dress on the train, the skirt she was wearing had the same type of fabric hanging down from the hem, as the Jill's bridesmaids dresses.

Patsy said...

RE Anonymous 11/5 @ 12:40 pm -- I also had a similar reaction to another poster re this comment. I howled outloud with laughter @ his proposal comparison to a scene in the Godfather. Funny stuff!

Another funny moment for me was when Jessa received the first clue wrapped by Ben. She turned the wrapped package over which showed that he had made ribbons on both sides of it. Made me smile & laugh.

I agree with many others that there is no way he planned, much less paid for all the things involved in the hunt. Since he is just a young man being thrust into reality tv-land it's the least TLC can do for an episode.

Finally, did anyone else see the rebuff Jessa gave Jana on the train? Jana made a comment to Jessa & received no response (just a stare). Jana then smiled & said "I love you Jessa". Even then Jessa did not respond to her so Jana walked on by her. It was NOT a very sisterly moment. I already have felt that Jessa has some problem with Jana & this ust reinforced it for me.

Maria said...

My 96 year old grandma loves this show. Her reaction to the no hand holding or kissing before marriage was funny. She told me "Even MY strict Victorian like mother would have thought the no hand holding or kissing during a courtship would be ridiculous!". She explained that even during the old days of courtship, the girls were allowed to hold hands, and a peck on the cheek or lips was acceptable.

Michelle should have just let it slide, and talk to Jessa in private. No need to act silly at the table and treat your daughter like a child.

Oh yes, and that chapel was beautiful They should have had their wedding there!

Anonymous said...

I couldn't watch this episode, but was wondering if they gave a reason why Derrick and Jill couldn't participate?

geistmadl said...

Joy was being subserviant to a man, so that was ok :)

Leigh Ann said...

Derick has a real job and probably had to work. I know it was the middle of the week, not a weekend, because Jessa mentioned it. It'll be good for Jill to have to be on Derrick's schedule and not do all the family things. Good for breaking away a little.

Anonymous said...

I think Ben and Jessa are in love, but I think it's fueled a lot by lust as well. Marriage it the only route they are given to even give one another a hug or kiss. Of course they're going to enter into marriage quickly because they have the natural, human need to express their love physically. I think if they were allowed to hold hands, hug and maybe kiss, as well as have time alone for intimate conversation, the whole rush to the altar would be a little more delayed.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Jill and Jessa really understand how much more difficult it is to raise your own kids versus "help take care of" little siblings? They are rapidly going from thin, bouncy, in-love, barely-know-each-other newly weds to tired, sleep-deprived, having-to-lose-the-baby-weight women. And they say they want "as many as God sees fit"... To each their own, but seems like these couple would want some peaceful time to dote on each other and get to know each other before adding the stress of parenting baby after baby. We all know that while babies are precious, they're a ton of work and stress too. Changes the dynamics of your marriage, and while they bring couples together in many profound ways, babies also make marriages more difficult. And to think, Derick and Jill barely know each other as it is. Maybe the TLC cameras won't show it, but there's bound to be some hard times behind the scenes for these couples over the next few years. I feel sorry for them. Stresses me just thinking about being a new wife and then being pregnant two weeks into a marriage... But sweet Jill hasn't had her baby yet... she doesn't yet really realize how hard taking care of a newborn is... bless her heart if he has colic. But TLC won't show her crying all night and having the blues... it'll just be her with make-up on talking about "what a blessing" everything is.

Dar said...

Over the course of this season, with the wedding planning for Jill, there were quite a few times that the sisters were together. I found it obvious that was friction between Jana and Jessa. I have seen the was Jessa looks at Jana, and it is not with sisterly love. It was very obvious when Jana gave Jessa the change of clothes on the train. Michelle can say what she wants about everyone being "sweet" and having no animosity in the home. Human nature will out. I think Jim Bob and Michelle will soon regret how very much they publicized their rules for courtship. The "rag" magazines and websites are having a field day with that picture of Jessa almost swallowing Ben. Their views are becoming a joke and his greed is to blame. JMHO

Anonymous said...

Why don't Jim Bob & Michelle realize that they can show affection with out resorting to almost making it a sexual act, embarrassing their daughters. You can give your husband or wife a kiss on the cheek or a hug, without it looking like they are going to go all the way to the floor & who knows what is going to happen then. It's beyond ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

I don't think that Jim Bob and Michelle realize that they had what, 4 years before Josh was born to get to know one another, establish themselves, some, and enjoy that couples time together. Once the kids start arriving, the finances take a hit. Where would they have been without those years themselves? I think they need to understand that they played a whole different game back then and it has benefitted them greatly. They watched TV, know who the Beatles are, had world experience and cultural experience of their generation no matter how religious they were or weren't and that exposure was and still is valuable to them today, something they shelter their kids from and it will not serve them positively in the future. I'd like to see those kids start families immediately, like Jill is doing, without that TLC income. What if Jim Bob never had that income himself, would he have had that house to give Jill and Derick to start life? Probably not. They, themselves shun things that have given them opportunity, like TV, magazines, newspapers, interviews, etc.

SuzieQZ said...

If you have seen the b&w pic of Jessa and Ben kissing now JB and M have posted a similar picture on Jessa's Instagram. They just cannot help themselves with their attention seeking behaviors. Bizarre "parenting" style.

jozie said...

Here's my concern for Ben and Jessa... To me it is very clear that Ben is just a teenager in the throws of list with a pretty girl. They have had no time Alone to form any real connection or to get to know the inner person of the heart . so what if she gets pregnant straight away (and I would say with the amount if "sweet fellowship" they are no doubt engaging in, the chances are pretty good) and suddenly becomes an overweight, extremely moody nightmare with hard core pregnancy acne? And then add to that a heaping dose of post partum depression and a screaming baby. How are they going to handle that if they don't even know each other? What if she doesn't get her cute figure back? With a relationship based purely in physical attraction, how exactly is that going to work? There's no way Ben is mature enough to deal with that kind of reality.

Anonymous said...

why is ben allowed to wear shorts around the house. in front of the young girls. thought the duggars men do not wear shorts.

Anonymous said...

Yep those young girls going to be defrauded! Cover their eyes...quickly!

Anonymous said...

My husband and i love each other very much too....but no way would we post kissing pictures on the internet! Very innapropriate. And immature for two adults. Grow up Michelle and jim!

Anonymous said...

RE: anonymous 11/2 2:22pm When they were in Nepal, Jim Bob didn't just get between Derick & Jill, he actually pushed her over to his right side, using both hands. I couldn't believe it.

Anonymous said...

How many people felt how rediculous it was when Jill and Derick ran down the isle to a room for some unsupervised time together? Wow. And Michelle thought it was "cute"! Really low life. Shows that all the rules before the nuptules are rediculous.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else see Jessa roll her eyes while she hugged her Mama after she and Ben came out of the church after getting engaged?

Anonymous said...

A LONG full frontal hug. Oh the shame!

Anonymous said...

Does it seem that Jim Bob is picking husbands based on how much control he has over the kids? Jill was allowed to marry a man who went to college, has seen the world without the buddy system, and can provide for a family. My impression of Jill is that she believes whole heartedly in keeping the family's beliefs. Whereas Jessa seems to be snarky and possibly more interested in "worldly" things. Both she and her fiancé seem interested in leaving AK, whether for mission work or other. So Jim Bob picks a husband who's physically attractive to his daughter to play on those urges. But that boy has fewer options than the Duggar girls at supporting a family. They will be 100% reliant on Jim Bob.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 11/20/2014 8:51 AM

The Duggars do not live in Alaska (AK), they live in Arkansas (AR). :-)

I agree Jim Bob is all about controlling his adult children, which is why anyone interested has to go through him.

auntliddy said...

If jimbob and his fairy voiced wife were so confident of how they raised their kids, they wld trust them to make their own decisions, instead of sending them out into the world in pairs, so no independent thought ever even form. How is ignoring 95% of the world living? Jimbob okayed ben because jessa and he had hit relationship and he was afraid they wld hv premartial sex or god forbid, end up pregnant out of wedlock! Guess those babies arent such a blessing, lol. I look forward to the day one of the kids goes Goth, with nose, belly button and lip piercing, loo!

Anonymous said...

Jim bob went to a private school.

Anonymous said...

Jill doesn't want him out of her sight. She drives him to work and hangs around there "at his company gym", makes him eat lunch with her and picks him up to take him back to their mansion where she feeds him and makes him share peanut butter shakes (while she takes selfies to show how gloriously happy they are). She has such a busy life taking care of him that she has no time to comb her hair.