Free Discussion, July, 2015

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Dar said...

Read an article last night, don't know how legitimate the press, that Josh's 5th victim is intending to sue him. He can't be charged but she can sue him in civil court. She is upset about the way Michelle and JimBob minimized the incident and treated it as if "NOTHING HAPPENED".

There won't be any jail time, but old tightwad, JimBob" might just have to part with some of the money his children made for him. That seems to be the only thing that would hurt him. When he suggested that the rest of the family should not be punished because of the actions of one, he meant "money".

Anyway, maybe that girl will charge both parents, because if they had done something about it in the first place, she might not have been touched.

Anyway, HAPPY CANADA DAY to all my compatriots.

GF Baker said...

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/sex-abuse-victim-to-file-lawsuit-against-josh-duggar-report/ It looks like Josh may have some legal issues coming up soon.

KK said...

Apparently the "non-family victim" of Josh is possibly filing a civil suit against him/the Duggars? Not sure what will come of this. Multiple sources reporting.

TotallyANanny said...

I just read that InTouch (who I used to not believe as a reliable source but obviously that has changed) is reporting that the non-family victim of molestation is planning on suing in civil court. It will be interesting to see if that happens and what the Duggars end up saying under oath.

I sadly have little hope that the family victims will really ever get justice, but hopefully some justice will be done for those Josh and those who helped him cover it up (and continue to molest his victims).

Esther said...




Why should this surprise us? http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/local-cops-hired-protect-duggars-investigation-article-1.2276972

Remember the fake "arrest" done by their local law enforcement (Officer Hart at the TONTITOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT*) for the episode where Jim Bob was driving the SUV taking Michelle and the engaged couples to dinner. Jim Bob started speeding and was pulled over Jim-Bob is pulled over and a cop makes them all get out of the car and each couple is cuffed together. (Arkansas taxpayers should be OUTRAGE that their tax money....for law enforcement vehicles and the officers time, is being used to line the Duggars pockets, by giving them something for another of their idiotic episodes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t486pXwbDFA at 4:39

*Jim Bob says in there that Officer Hart works with his son John David.


Linda said...

I wonder if there's any truth to the reports that one of the victims (not related to the family) is preparing a civil suit?

Esther said...





John David Duggar on the Tontitown Police and Fire Roster

http://tontitown.com/foia/2014/2014-08-26%20FOIA%20Request%20Millar-Jiles/Police-FIre%20roster/Police%20and%20Fire%20Roster.pdf

Esther said...

Mom's health in pregnancy affects child's health as adult by Dr. Komaroff was in the paper today.
Your behavior and your health while you are pregnant could affect your child’s health for decades to come.

But over the past 35 years, many studies have found that a mother’s diet and stress levels can shape her child’s health in middle age. The first discovery of this type was that children with low-normal birth weight were much more likely to die of heart disease when they became adults. They also were more likely to get Type 2 diabetes, obesity and high blood pressure.


I hate this for the innocent little baby that Anna is carrying.

gigi said...

Just read online that the babysitter is considering a law suit which means Mullett and Jim Boon are going to have to spill some beans under oath. Couldn't happen to a better couple.

Dee said...

So, anybody think there is any validity to the report that the non-family member who was molested by Josh is thinking of filing a civil suit?

Heart in Florida said...

I have posted a long time ago that the Duggar parents seem not to trust their own children. I'm sorry that I was correct and now we know why they don't trust any of them. They in fact, IMO, have punished all of their children for the sins of one. How can that be right or Godly? Even sadder is that those subsequent children who some are adults themselves now don't even realize that. I hope all of the truth of these peoples' dealings come public.....I think that JB and Michelle are the type of people who live in court threatening to sue people who may not have the financial power to fight them with lawyers and JB strongarms himself around "in the name of God" to a degree. Like that political sign he wanted to put in his friend's rented house front yard and the tenant disagreed about that. How crass of him. This family is anything but wholeseome, Christian or Godly. They are control freaks who live off of their own kids from when they are a very young age. Disgusting, IMO.

SMH said...

It is no surprise that Josh victim wants to sue him and his family. I do not know if anyone has mentioned this before but why did JB&M need to have a babysitter help them with taking care of the kids, especially a babysitter who was a minor?. I wonder where Jill is moving to? I see no point of them moving overseas because they will brainwashing people into their "values".

Lemon Drop said...

I've seen reports of an impending civil suit by non-family victim.

Judy said...

I saw on FB today that apparently Josh's non-family victim is getting ready to sue him civilly.

Mandy said...

I know Michelle had no say in this business of Jill & Derick leaving the country to do missionary work, but I can't help but wonder how she feels about them leaving so soon after the birth of Israel. Surely she must realize the danger, at least for the baby. It that were me, I would be furious that my husband picked out a husband for our daughter that was going to be so involved in missionary work at this stage of their life. If they want to do it later fine, but they are putting their baby at risk
Also read that they are using:Cornerstone Payment Systems in VA in regard to financing. It's a Christian based business

over it 2 said...

Anyone else see the report about the babysitter suing the Duggars? And Jill and family heading to Nepal and asking for donations?

I wonder if these are all just tactics to keep the family in the news, still no word from TLC on cancelling the show.

Dee said...

There's a very interesting article on the No Longer Quivering site entitled
'When Christians Eat Their Own Wounded'.
It talks about Bill Gothard's statement on their new website.
The mindset is frightening (nothing new there). I had the thought while reading the article that all one has to do is Google the earmarks of being a psychopath and then compare that list to Gothard and Jim Bob.
Things really get scary then.

Katie's Mom said...

When this scandal first broke Jim Bob, Michelle, Jessa ,Jill & Megyn Kelly all tried to say that bringing this scandal to light in a public form was going to prevent other victims from coming forward due to the publicity. I believe it has had the opposite effect. Perhaps because people can remain anonymous on social media. I have read so many comments by people who have been victims & I think it has given them an opportunity to express some long hidden secrets. Unfortunately, the Duggars themselves did not bring this situation to light, but I'm glad that some have felt comfortable sharing. I'm glad they realize that there are those of us that believe them, & think this horrible molestation of all, whether it's women, young girls or boys, it should be a criminal offence.

Michelle said...

I just saw on fb that In Touch is saying the 5th non-family member victim may be getting ready to sue Josh. Not sure if it's true, but things will sure get interesting if it is. Get your popcorn ready just in case.

Rob said...

OK so I've only just seen it in a portion of my FB feed but according to In-Touch Magazine there is a high likelihood the 5th victim, the babysitter, will be suing Josh for sexual abuse before a court and held accountable for his actions. This IMHO is what we've been needing all along for Josh to be put on a stand and called to account for his actions. But I think recent history has told us Jimboob will attempt to do everything in his power to get the suit dropped. So if that babysitter reads this blog take this advice...do NOT cower under pressure to accept a buyout or settlement from them. You deserve YOUR day in court.

Syndee said...

Ouch, I just saw a clip from the latest Bates show where the headline was something like, what else could go wrong at the baby shower. Well apparently some of the sisters were late - Tori: "They was late because they overslept." Carlin: "No, that was 'cause nobody done told me I was 'sposed to ..." Tori cuts in: "Nobody done told me, nobody done told her.. " I thought she was mocking the words she chose, but they laughed at the end, and it seems that she just was laughing at her excuse.

But boy that conversation sure sounded hick, like Ellie May or something.

Willow said...

Sharla - I hope everything is o.k.? I am worried about you. Praying.

Bobbi said...

Just saw on another site, several one year anniversary photos of Jill & Derick. Derick's hair is longer & beard has grown. Jill hasnot list baby weight. It's a shame she did have a relatively good body. Apparently these two will be going to Nepal to promote the Gothard Cult & to attempt & covert those horrible Catholics. To Jill I say good luck with living conditions in a third world country. I definitely feel sorry for Israel.

Sharla said...

Willow, thank you for the prayers. Everything is OK or as OK as it can be.

sandi said...

Anna tends to have big babies,so at least in that respect,I think she will be fine.No doubt she has been under stress though!

Willow said...

I am really glad Sharla.

Esther said...

When you look at the donate page on Dillardfamily.com it states

For questions about your transactions or to request a refund please contact the organization office at 501.246.8842

When I googled that phone number it shows it was for the Duggars publicity number Aug. 2014....10 months before Jill and Derick set up their corporation in June 2015:
Contact info:By Mail: P.O. Box 1000 Tontitown, AR 72770
For Media Requests: Call 501.246.8842

WHY ARE JILL AND DERICK USING THE DUGGAR PUBLICITY PHONE NUMBER FOR THEIR MINISTRY?

Esther said...

Here is where Jill and Derick Derick filed for their corporation with the state of Arkansas, just days after the Josh Duggar Scandal broke:

http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=440945&corp_type_id=&corp_name=Dillard+Family+&agent_search=&agent_city=&agent_state=&filing_number=&cmd=


Corporation Name DILLARD FAMILY MINISTRIES

Filing # 811079071
Filing Type Nonprofit Corporation
Filed under Act Dom Bus Medical Corp; 2289 of 2005
Registered Agent LEGACY CONSULTING*
Agent Address 528 SOUTH LOUISIANA STREET, SUITE 222 LITTLE ROCK, AR 72201
Date Filed 06/17/2015

Officers
CHARLES CHADWICK GALLAGHER*, Incorporator/Organizer
JILL DILLARD, Director
DERICK DILLARD, Director

CHARLES CHADWICK GALLAGHER Picture and info: http://legacyincorporated.com/our-principal/

"According to CNN, Gallagher is a longtime adviser of GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee. The Duggars reportedly hired him as a P.R. expert to help them deal with the aftermath of the Josh Duggar molestation scandal." (This is posted on forums.)



If you want to look at Legacy, a for profit corp http://www.sos.arkansas.gov/corps/search_corps.php?DETAIL=184241&corp_type_id=&corp_name=&agent_search=CHARLES+CHADWICK+GALLAGHER&agent_city=&agent_state=&filing_number=&cmd=

Esther said...

According to CNN Money’s Brian Stelter, the Duggar family’s public image crisis is being managed by Chad Gallagher, Huckabee’s longtime political adviser. Gallagher is the founder and principal of Legacy Consulting in Arkansas, and also oversees Huckabee’s political action committee, HUCKPAC, which made the news earlier this year for awarding nearly $400,000 to Huckabee’s own family.

WAIT.....Gallagher showed Huckabee how to use his political action committee to award his family $400,000. Now the Duggars hired this guy to help them with PR for the scandal and he then quickly set up a non-profit for Jill and Derick to collect donations?

Esther said...

There is so much great info on this blog. I wish I knew enough to invite to visit here those like In Touch, TMZ, Radar, social media sites and news program that are looking at the Duggar shenanigans. Maybe someone would share with those places or invite them to visit this blog

Chloe said...

Baker thanks for the link & it's about time. Good to learn this young woman has stepped forward suing Josh. Josh, Jim Bob & Michelle Ned to be accountable. I'll bet this pending civil suit is quite unnerving for saint Jim Bob. This suite is out of Jim Bob's control even though with his grand dillusional persona probably believes he's in control if the judicial system in Arksnsas.jim Bob is a real piece of work. That's not a cominent. I hope this young woman wins her case what a brave person!!

Living in Indy said...

I don't believe Jim Bob & Michelle will tell the truth under oath in a court of law. They are dillusional & have established their own law according to the laws of the Gothard Cult. If they purged themselves it could result in jail time. That would be great especially for Jim Bob.

Incredulous said...

SMH said: ... why did JB&M need to have a babysitter help them with taking care of the kids, especially a babysitter who was a minor?

And why was the babysitter sleeping and sleeping deeply enough not to know she was being molested? Perhaps she wasn't a "babysitter" after all and maybe she wasn't really asleep. Another part of this story that doesn't make sense. If there's a suit, the truth will out, I hope.

Cedric said...

The Bates & Duggars akways project their LACK of correct grammar & limited vocabulary. It's that good ole ATI ignorant homeschooling. Not impressive.

Lisanne said...

I was hoping for at least a grain of justice, with talk about Josh's 5ht victim apparently filing a civil suit against Josh. It would be the only way to go as criminal is out of the picture due to the statue of limitations. My husband assures me that good ole Jim Bob will pay these people off & I'm afraid he's right this time. I agree, we can only guess who this baby sitter is, but I can't believe it would be anyone who isn't a member of their "home church" or at least affiliated with the Gothard cult. I think an out of court settlement is probably what will happen. Sadly, the money will most likely go to this girls parents (her Dad) as she cannot possibly be of any more value than the Duggar daughters that were abused. Just the fact that she a young woman, means she has no value in these circles. I could never stand Jim Bob, but boy he has shown an even uglier side with the recent knowledge of all these law suits. It makes me furious that just because he has the means that others don't, he can haul people into court with these frivolous suits. What an example to his children. Does he really think they admire him as a, Godly Christian man? He doesn't care what his kids, or anyone else thinks of him. He can sit there with that bible of his & read it morning, noon & night, & set up his own church, but when it comes right down to it, the only thing he worships is the almighty dollar.

Bobbi said...

Sharla, hang in there. Happy July 4th. Our country still celebrating Freedom. I am a proud American & am grateful, respectful & thank those in the military serving our country. They Rock!

Katie's Mom said...

Sharla, I too have been thinking of you & say a prayer for you each day.

Jak&Jil said...

Sharla, I've been worried about you too. Hoping you were on a well-deserved vacation.

Saw the professional photos for Derick and Jill's 1st anniversary. Besides Jill's fashion choice which is just awful, couldn't she have at least ironed that horrible skirt and top, and Derick's clothes? They both looked like the just rolled out of bed.

Feeling sorry for Derick's mom Cathy. After all her health problems and the joy her new grandson brought her, now Jill and Derick are taking Israel away and who knows when she will see him again.

About the Bates family, they collectively are the most immature and silliest group of people I've ever seen and heard. They are painful to watch.

Andrea said...

To Mandy's comment: "I know Michelle had no say in this business of Jill & Derick leaving the country to do missionary work, but I can't help but wonder how she feels about them leaving so soon after the birth of Israel." Mandy, you are so completely and totally wrong. Michelle only cares about Michelle (. . . come to think of it she also thinks about pleasing Jim Boob). Her child and grandchild could be sent to the deadliest, most dangerous corner of the earth and the women could care less. It's chilling that a women with 19 children would be so completely and totally self-absorbed. Time and time again we have witnessed a women who only superficially cares for her children. I mean the Josh situation aside, think of how she acted at Jessa's wedding: "Oh, please don't forget to eat today" FAKE, playing chess with one of her inter-changeable sons FAKE, her child falls into an orchestra pit and she pulls out her cellphone to record, the list can go on and on. She is the most cold and heartless mother I know. It's SCARY!

Andrea said...

Sharla, was wondering if something had happened as several days had gone by with no updated posts. Sorry to hear that things are not going so well in life for you at the moment. Hopefully it will pass. Best wishes, Andrea

Esther said...

I didn't even think about poor Cathy. She lost her husband young, her mom died last year, she has gone through cancer treatment, watched her son get into this mess and it is obvious his jaw surgery has been rough. He looks like he is in pain. That has got to bother her seeing her son like that.....and like you said about her new grandson being taken away.

Katie's Mom said...

This entire business with Legacy, Gallagher,the Duggars & Huckabee, starting with the cover up of Josh's molestation, to the "family missionary foundation" of Jill & Derick, is just plain disgusting. They are all in bed with each other. Jim Bob has taught those kids well. I would rather work 24/7 at any honorable job I could get, then to be associated with these people. We can only guess what they are keeping hidden!

Bobbi said...

Jim Bob is a full blown self absorbed, unintelligent, entitled , elitist, limited education & vocabulary, chauvinistic, narcissist who is a Hick & I believe he's hateful. Why can't TLC see these personality traits in Jim Bob? BTW: Josh is a clone of Jim Bob.

Mindi said...

RE: Whether Jim Bob & Michelle would lie under oath & possibly go to jail. Believe me, Jim Bob would willingly put his own kids in jail before he did any time himself

Bobbi said...

Esther, I always invite In Touch, Radar & others to visit this Blog. In my email messages to these media orgs, I always brag about this board & the intelligent people who care & post at this site as well.

Bobbi said...

Will NEVER donate to promote the Gothard Cult. I am considering calling the Duggar publicity PH number. However today, I will email In Touch, 20/20. Dateline, Radar & a plethora of other media to provide them with the Duggar publicity contact info. Duggars, Dillards & Seewalds need to be stopped & to go away. I compare these cult followers to a disease.

Bobbi said...

Did you notice when Kelly Bates speaks she too destroys the English language. For example: the word "Time" Kelly says "Tom" instead of "Time". I realize it's a Southern accent. I have friends in Southern States & they speak with an accent yet they don't destroy the English language. Because of the Bates loyalty to the Gothard Cult & the fact that future son in law Kielien can't recall first name) is employed with the IBLP, I am choosing to boycot that reality program as well. In college I majored in English. The Bates cannot speak intelligently & their destruction of the English language is appalling. During their TV program they project the epitome of hicks & ignorance.

flowerchild said...

Jill and Derick are just like many other missionary families taking or birthing young children in the field. This isn't surprising since Derick was previously a missionary. I hope the Duggars heal from this situation, and yes all of them the girls and Josh and his family.

Bobbi said...

Why does Jill Dillard always dress like an unmade bed? How can Derick find Jills choice of dress attractive not that he dresses any better? I don't see these two staying out of America long term. Jill is spoiled & accustomed to a nice home. I don't believe adaptability to harsh conditions is one of her characteristics.

Mai said...

What do you guys think about this potential courtship between Nathan Bates and this New York girl?

HistorianMom said...

This whole Josh thing makes all that talk the Duggars were doing about possibly adopting a child seem duplicitous or at best foolish. Surely they did not think they could pass a background check?

Ellyn said...

Mai, New York is a very progressive & up to date state vs Tennessee which is not. There is an obvious cultural difference between Northern & Southern states. I don't believe the match between Nathan Bates & the girl from New York is a good one. I also don't believe Kelly Bates is blessed with the level of common sense to control what this girl chooses to wear or to engage in stimulating intelligent conversation. New Yorkers are often thought of or perceived to be sophisticated & worldly. You can take the girl out of New York but can't take New York out of the girl. I hope this young woman will eventually ascertain the backwards, undereducated, naive, lack of education, & under achieved Bates family & BOLT from Tennessee leaving Nathan in a vapor of dust!

Mary said...

Hi

Do you really thin Jilly will go to a third world country and live in a tent.. I bet she be in a 5 star hotel.

AS them being a corportation.. Its all about money... Less taxes to pay. I had a fried who did this many years ago
also the have non profit.. Yeah sure.. How much on the dollar will they give to charty... Just look at big charities collecting millions and giviiiiing 10 cent on the dollar to charty.. But the cassh cow might be over for the whole family

Also Anna is due any day I guess another home birth for herre.. Josh can take another nap while hi wife is in labor


Mary

Mandy said...

I stand corrected in my comments. Andrea is absolutely correct, re: me being totally wrong about Michelle being upset about Jill & the baby are traveling to Nepal, or wherever they are going. Lost my mind for a minute & was looking at the situation the way most moms & grandma's would. Now Cathy is probably a different story.

Bobbi said...

Anna needs to stop procreating. Four is absolutely Enough! Anna already has the physical appearance of a 40 year old woman. The Gothard Cult is all about disrespect for women & controing their bodies by pressuring them to become continually pregnant. It todays modern world, Why are women such as Michelle, Jill, Jessa Duggar, Kelly Bates, daughters Alyssa, Erin Bates & daughter in law Whitney so obsessed with pregnancy. They have nothing going on in their pathetic Cult lives. These women could be giving back or becoming well rounded people with jobs outside of the home. Are these women so brainwashed that they can't get it? A mind is a horrible thing to waste.

Bobbi said...

The problem is that the Duggars DO NOT THINK! They just go along & whistle a Hapoy tune, living in the fantasy world of the Gothard Cult. This is why the insanity of this sick Cult needs to stop! Each time the Duggars & for that matter the Bates are on TV, they are giving the Gothard Cult free publicity, & promoting its poisoness venom. This is why I continually contact several media companies of which previously, I have posted their names & will continue to contact them. I just won't give up until these families perpetuating this depraved Gothard Cult are permanently removed from TV!!!

Bobbi said...

Last night, I watched several reruns of the Addams Family. I thought OMG, Cousin It reminds me of Michelle Duggars hairstyle if one can refer to Michelle's hair as a style. However the rats nest each of them wear is similar.

Bobbi said...

In very small way, Michelle Duggar is a victim of Jim Bob Duggar. For some reason long ago, Michelle was taken in by Jim Bob's over religious rhetoric. Then, after marrying Jim Bob, Michelle completely lost the person within herself when she turned over the management if her life to Jim Bob. I believe once this scenario occurred, Michelke became a victim of Stockholm syndrome. For some reason, Jim Bob was effective to convince Michrlle that her young life prior to meeting him was such a big mistake & huge sin. From what I learned about Michrlke prior to JB, was that she was completely normal. For girls in high school, choosing to become a cheerleader is completely normal, wearing a short to medium hairstyle is completely normal, wearing short skirts & a bikini is complete normal. The fact that Jim Bob was successful to completely humiliate & inject shame as well as to this day, remind her of what was never a sin has to be disturbing to her. However because Michelle is living in a cult environment, she has no voice or freedom. I realize when she's on TV, she speaks in that fake Minnie Mouse voice but I believe that could also be influenced by the Gothard Cult. Any person who joins a Cult especially women, will soon realize that it's definitely mans world. The men are in control of every aspect within a woman or spouse as well as any female children within the marriage. The Cult system is all about boosting the egos of men. For some of these men they actually believe they are above the law. I am of the opinion that Jim Bob believes he's above the law & we all know how he enjoys bringing up Michelke's past, throwing it in her face & sending her in a continual guilt trip. Within the Gothard Cult, Jim Bob was taught that to respect women is a sign of weakness. Jim Bob must believe that he is truly a real stud because Michelle never says no. I've often wondered if Michelle wants to say no to Jim Bob. Often when he's making sexual innuendos with Michelle at his side, she appears embarrassed. Michelke won't cinfront JB because the Gothard rules demand women "keep sweet". The frustration Michelle must feel. To dismiss ones true personality in order to satisfy the need & aporoval of ones spouse & leader of a Cult has to be stressful. This could be the reason that Michelke has little interaction with her children. Many if these wives within a Cult system become pregnant Not Because They Want Too. Because the Cult demands it & this is one of the main focuses of the Gothard Cult. This is why the Gothard Cult requires serious investigation. This is why the Duggars & also the Bates families need to be Removed from TV. To allow these two families to remain on TV & spread the poisoness venom of the Gothard Cult is promoting a lie, & objectifying women & children. Th e Gothard Cult absolutel mission is to destroy the Freedom & choices of Women & Children. It is a dangerous Cult. The fact that the Gothard Cult has a voice through reality TV is just a travesty & it definitely needs to END! Please TLC, wake up! Please stop the insanity of the Gothard Cult using the Duggars & Bates as pawns to promote this sickness.

Chloe said...

A credible adoption agency would never permit a child to become adopted by Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar. The Duggars are now too well known & their reputation is not stellar. Most adoption agencies are managed by educated, discerning & intelligent staff. These people have probably watched an episode ior two of the 19 Kids program. With that written, I don't believe the Duggars would achieve success to adopt a child at least not within the USA.

Stella said...

Latest on IG photos-- Jessa Seewald appears to be wearing shorts for her 4th of July photo with Ben . Alyssa (Bates) Webster is sporting jeans, shorter chic hair style (medium length) and goes to Starbucks!

Their followers are not handling this well. Happy Indepenence Day to both of them!

Happy 4th of July!!

Esther said...

Bobbi,

Agree with you as I have thought this for some time....
.... Michelle being a victim of Jim Bob Duggar who was taken in by Jim Bob's over religious rhetoric (at a very young age), married him and completely lost the person within herself when Jim Bob took over the management of her life and she became a victim of Stockholm syndrome, humiliating and shaming her her that her young life prior to meeting him was a huge sin.....he enjoys bringing up and throwing Michelle's past in her face & sending her in a continual guilt trip....even though she was completely normal before going out with him..... a cheerleader... wearing a shorter hairstyle, shorter skirts & a bikini. Now she has no voice or freedom. ...her fake Minnie Mouse voice may also be influenced by the Gothard Cult to "stay sweet"....Cults...are definitely mans world with the men in control of every aspect ...including the female children within the marriage. The Cult system is all about boosting the egos of men....some like Jim Bob believe they are above the law....... they are taught that to respect women is a sign of weakness. Jim Bob must believe that he is truly a real stud because Michelle never says no. I've often wondered if Michelle wants to say no to Jim Bob who often makes sexual innuendos with Michelle at his side, to her embarrassment...yet she won't confront him because the Gothard rules demand women "keep sweet". The frustration Michelle must feel. To dismiss ones true personality in order to satisfy the need & aporoval of ones spouse & leader of a Cult has to be stressful. This could be the reason that Michelke has little interaction with her children. Many if these wives within a Cult system become pregnant Not Because They Want To.... Because the Cult demands it & this is one of the main focuses of the Gothard Cult. This is why the Gothard Cult requires serious investigation.


Thank you, Bobbi, for alerting everyone that you do, about this mess that needs to be investigated.

Sharla said...

Gee, thanks, Pepper. It's nice to know I was right about you being a pseudo-Christian. You certainly aren't helping or acting in love for anyone except yourself.

Incredulous said...

I don't think Anna and Josh will continue procreating at their current rate without a television show. Being pregnant and wrangling a slew of kids isn't that much fun, especially without the attention and affirmation from a camera crew and tons of onlookers. Josh might even have to go to work outside the home and Anna will be home, homeschooling on her own.

Dee said...

(((Sharla))) Hang in there. I cannot imagine the sludge you have to wade through as you read all the submitted comments.
I hope all is okay. We do appreciate all that you do.

Dee said...

Incredulous -
Re: Josh getting an actual job. Can you even imagine? It's a good thing Daddy has so many locals in his pocket because otherwise Josh would be pretty much unemployable.
Who wants to employ a smug, out of shape, admitted child molester?

Sharla said...

Thanks for the good thoughts.

Bobbi said...

I am not actively pursuing the media to gain attention for myself. I just desire that this ignorant Gothard Cult is exposed. The best way to capture the attention of viewers is to produce a documentary about this heinous Cult. It's quite unnerving & concerning that this Cult is not only all over the USA but abroad in several countries as well. Now Jill & Derick Dillard will be going overseas to spread this poison under the guide & subtly as missionaries. Again, this too is disturbing.for the aforementioned reasons & collectively as well as individually, we need to continue to approach the media to make an impact as to the effect this Gothard Cult is being promoted via the Duggars & Bates. My precious Dad now deceased once said, "beware of ignorant people" as often they will influence those who will believe anything someone says & often they will not question but blindly follow. So together we will be effective (teamwork) to finally eradicate this Gothard disease as well as the Duggars & Bates from TV.

over it 2 said...

Sadly I can see Anna popping out as many children as she can, gravy train halted or not. She just seems completely brainwashed. And I highly doubt she was informed of Josh's molester past.

Bobbi said...

Re this heinous Gothard Cult... History has shown most Cults end disastrously. This Gothard Cult seems to be getting more "out there" with regard to their absurd rules. They take scripture out of context & work it to suit the purpose of the Cult. Most Leaders of a Cult have problems with sex. They either have affairs, multiple wives, are pedophiles or worse. Gothard is no different as he was caught making sexual advances toward young pre teen & teen girls. However, the Duggars & Bates still continue to now at the feet of Gothard. The Duggars & Bates are completely aware of the crime Gothard committed & was never arrested. They give Gothard a pass stating & pouring God on everything. Josh Duggar committed a horrible crime & his parents & sisters reverted to the ole pour God technique yet again. I don't believe people within a Cult truly know God. I believe the God to whom the Duggars & Bates reference is Gothard. I've akways believed & pray to a loving God not one who made absurd & senseless rules to follow as do the Duggars & Bates. Gothard is a Cult leader who separates/depletes followers (especially women & children) from their freedom. Gothard manipulates scripture to suit his purpose & then insists his way is the only way. Gothard teaches that any religion other than the Gothard way is heresy. This Gothard philosophy is treading on dangerous ground. My concern is that when the Gothardites meet in Bug Sandy, TX for the annual ATI conference, one day ithat meeting could become another Jonestown. This is why we need to engage the services of the media to stop this insanity. Gothard is Robbing followers of their freedom to think, to travel freely outside of the home, to engage in a normal dating relationship, to choose how followers dress, to Receive a authentic education, to choose college. I just cannot comprehend why any person who is intelligent would fall for this Gothard crap. It's as if Gothard wants followers to live in the 19th century. You can count on the fact that Gothard does NOT live by the rules he established for his followers & this behavior is indicative of most leaders of a Cult. Example: FLDS Leader Warren Jeffs. The Gothard Cult's putpose is to imprison women & female children. I believe many women within this Cult are Oppressed. I believe with so many pregnancies required of women within this Cult, many womem may go undiagnosed with post pardom depression. "Keeping Sweet" via Gothard rules is a form of abuse against women. This rule is designed to force women into Submisdion & to separate them from their true personalities thus grooming women into robots or rather Stepford wives. Gothard & his band of merry men need to be held accountable & finally stopped!

Judy said...

Anna and Josh will continue having children at the same rate. Gothardites do not care about whether they have money to support the children they have -- they truly believe God will provide, and that means that somehow, they will figure out a way. Many families in their culture have a dozen kids and are not nearly as wealthy as the Duggars, who, if you remember, had a ton of kids before they had the show, and clearly not a whole lot of money for a long time.

Pepper said...

I'm not a pseudo-Christian, but you can think what you wish to think.
My previous comment was rude though and I apologize.
I've been reeling for 2 days after reading that blasphemous comment that Buckeye posted on 29Jun, basically mocking God, or those who pray to and believe in God, and I spouted off when I shouldn't have.

Ellyn said...

Act of ignorance: I am continually reminded about the comment once made by Jessa in which she compared the Holocost to women who choose birth control. Not only was this comment well just "stupid", it insults people of the Jewish faith. Jessa's education via the ATI method of homeschooling is inaccurate, misleading & just so Wrong!

Ruby said...

Bobbi--as much as you would like to scrub this Gothard cult from off the face of the planet, the sad truth is that another cult, or one even worse, will take it's place. It's human nature, unfortunatley. There are so many ignorant, simple , non-thinking people out there who mix a little truth with a whole lot of error and believe anything anyone tells them. So sad. Nevertheless, it would be a good thing to have this evil Gothard Cult exposed for the sham that it is and exposed for all the damage it has done to the lives of innocent children. And it is evil. Gothard is a classic biblical example of a false teacher.

Lizzyb said...

Ellyn said: "New York is a very progressive and up to date state and Tennessee is not....There is a cultural difference between the northern and the southern states". Ellyn, please do not lump all people who live in the south in the same category as the home-schooled Gothard following Bates family! I am originally from the NE but have lived in the South for more than 30 years. There are plenty of highly educated, talented, interesting people living here and there is a reason why there is a big migration of people relocating from the NE and Midwest to the southern states- the south is a great place to live!

Lemon Drop said...

Look up the word grifter in the dictionary. You will see a pic of Jim Bob.

Katie's Mom said...

I must commend Bobbi. Her assessment of the Gothard Cult is spot on. I can't think of another thing to add to these words of wisdom. You rock Bobbi & I am following in your footsteps, in trying to bring this Cult to the media's attention. Keep on keeping on, as many are with you.

Wendy said...

I agree with Mary, regarding big charities collecting millions & only giving 10 cents on the dollar to the fund they head. As nurse, I used to advise people, if they wanted to do good work with their donations, specify when you donate. Don't just give to the Cancer Fund or Heart Fund (insert any other fund here) give to Social Services, who will provided items that are needed when you are hospitalized, provide rides to appointments, provide respite care for caregivers, etc. The list of needs is endless for families. Or give to research, we certainly need more of that. Otherwise Mary is correct, the heads of these organizations get huge salaries & we can only guess what Jill & Derick will rake in as a non profit. Enough to make you sick all over again.

Bobbi said...

I want to thank everyone at this blog & most of all Sharla for the encouragement & also for emailing the various media companies & working together to bring awareness about the Gothard Cult, Duggars & Bates. I believe very soon, a documentary will be produced to expose this Gothard Cult, the Duggars & Bates. When this occurs it will have an impact & then, these two families will be removed from TV.

Chloe said...

Look up the words uninformed, inaccurate & undereducated, a photo of Jessa Seewald displays.

Katie's Mom said...

RE: Ruby's comments about trying to rub the Gothard Cult from the planet only to have another even worse cult take it's place. I think most reasonable people know, that you can only do what you can do in this life, but you have to start somewhere. I would never try to discourage anyone who was trying to fight the good fight. After all, it's the smallest baby steps in the right direction that will hopefully accomplish big changes. If nobody tries to bring these cults to light, then they will remain hidden in the darkness. We have seen the results of that & we would at the very least, like to shine our little light on this evil, so that another generation doesn't grow up worshiping people like Gothard. Hang in there Bobbi & don't get discouraged, as this is what these groups count on.

Dar said...

It appears that Jill and Derick have already left for their destination. They were at the airport this afternoon. Don`t know if any cameras went with them. That remains to be seen.

Pretty quick. I wonder if all the negative publicity of late contributed to their departure.

Judy said...

Who believes they are going to film Anna's birth in case they can still do a birth special?

Special Ed Lady said...

I wonder now Jill and Derrick moved if Ben and Jessa will move to,the big house. I think it is kind of far for Ben to travel everyday since he works for JimBob.

Chloe said...

Perhaps Anna's birth will be filmed. I for one will boycot watching Anna give birth. Each time these Duggar women become pregnant & give birth it's as if they are the only women in the USA who've ever given birth & it's extremely insulting to those of us who have given birth but we are confident within ourselves that we don't require the attention of TV to give birth as its private & no ones business. Anna needs the attention. So much for MODESTY of the Duggar women it has never existed!

Esther said...


Anonymous Bobbi said...

I am not actively pursuing the media to gain attention for myself..... My precious Dad now deceased once said, "beware of ignorant people" as often they will influence those who will believe anything someone says & often they will not question but blindly follow.

~~~~~~~

Oh, I know you aren't. That is why I admire what you are doing. I am sure your dad would be proud of your tenacity.

Esther said...

Josh was so fascinated by things that were none of his business but when he had a chance to stare at his wife and nobody would care he waddled off to take a nap.

Jim Bob wasn't in the room when daughter-in-law Anna has given birth but I wonder if he would have wanted to be when Jill gave birth, if she had been able to do so without a C-Section.

puddin said...

I would like to think that the Duggars & TLC have enough sense (SNARK SNARK SNARK) to NOT Air #4! Also i wonder if Joshy will get the big house and Benessa will get the house that Joshy/Jimboob bought...as Joshy has more kids and boob does put him above the rest...atleast above the females in the family. UGHHH!

Over It 2 said...

Can someone tell me what is going on with Derick's teeth? I remember something about braces right before baby Izzy was born, and then someone else posted about surgery and in the picture of him from the 4th his teeth look to have blood on them. https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/jill-duggar-ben-seewald-ship-132900114.html

Esther said...

Anonymous Dee
Re: Josh getting an actual job. Can you even imagine? It's a good thing Daddy has so many locals in his pocket.......

~~~~~~~~~
Shall we list a few?

ZIMMERMAN AND HUCKABEE : Judge Stacy Zimmerman owes her place on the bench to Mike Huckabee (Jim Bob Duggar's old political ally.) It was Zimmerman's decision to order the 2006 police report of Josh Duggars child molestation investigation to be destroyed. Not sure on on what legal basis Judge Stacy Zimmerman hurriedly made the decision to destroy an official public record but the report was already in wide circulation. Springdale Police told the AP, "The judge ordered us yesterday to expunge that record," Lewis said. He added that similar records are usually kept indefinitely. "As far as the Springdale Police Department is concerned, this report doesn't exist." http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/josh-duggars-investigation-record-destroyed-797762

Zimmerman believes helping one child is an accomplishment. "Then I feel that I've done my job, and I've helped not only the kid, but the community as well."
http://www.nwabusinessjournal.com/best-in-class/profile/80/stacey-a-zimmerman

HESTER: Bart Hester, who called for the firing of the police chief who released the report about Josh Duggar’s molestations*, has these things in common with Jim Bob Duggars: both real estate businessman both located in Bentonville, Arkansas and both are Republicans.

Jim Bob Duggar served in the Arkansas House of Representatives for the sixth district, from 1999 to 2002, which included part of northern Washington County, Arkansas. Duggar was vice chair of the House Corrections and CRIMINAL Law Subcommittee.

Bart Franklin Hester is a member of the Arkansas State Senate from District 1, which includes Benton County. (The Duggars have properties in Benton county.) Hester is a deacon of the First Baptist Church of Bentonville...the very church where Jessa was married!

*The police chief has retired effective the end of June, 2015.

Esther said...

OTHERS IN JIM BOB'S POCKET:

LEGACY CONSULTING/ CHARLES CHADWICK GALLAGHER/DUGGAR FAMILY/MIKE HUCKABEE/HUCKPAC/


CHARLES CHADWICK GALLAGHER
the founder and principal of LEGACY CONSULTING in Arkansas and longtime adviser of GOP presidential hopeful MIKE HUCKABEE and who also oversees Huckabee’s political action committee, HUCKPAC, which made the news earlier this year for awarding nearly $400,000 to Huckabee’s own family!

Duggar family’s public image crisis is being managed by this same Chad Gallagher,in order to help them deal with the aftermath of the Josh Duggar molestation scandal.....
AND NOW HELPING JILL DUGGAR DILLARD AND DERICK DILLARD:This same Chad Gallagher quickly set up a non-profit for Jill and Derick Dillard to collect donations, right after the scandal broke.

Cedric said...

So the spreading of the Gothard Cult lies now begins abroad by Jill & Derick Dillard. Hopefully the many Catholics J & D attempt to convert to Gothardism will realize it's just wrong.

Mary said...

Hi


Jilly and Dink have filed for a non profit corp... Meaning anyone sending them monet is not taxable and they can use it for what ever there want.. Like they don't have to work.

Mary
I can find the link if you need it.

Mary said...

HI


Josh will always be put a head. He is the "Golden Child" Every thing that happened was girls fault for temping him.


Mary

Mindi said...

I cannot imagine under what circumstances they would film Anna giving birth. Anyone who even thinks that they might bring the Duggars back on TLC, seems to agree that they would need to leave Josh & Anna out of the loop. I suppose the family might want to have their new grandchild's birth filmed for the Duggars posterity, but as far as the viewing public, I don't see that happening.

sandi said...

http://www.classicalite.com/articles/25139/20150706/19kac-josh-duggar-parents-jim-bob-michelle-molestation-news.htm

This article makes me wonder if Jill can be forced to return to the US,if need be,to answer critical questions in a lawsuit? Anyone know? Or would being out of the country disqualify her? I'm thinking that is very convenient if so,and that Jill may very well have the answers to some critical questions regarding Josh and their parents,as it pertains to the molestations.Jill and Derick got the heck out of town pretty quickly after this arose.

pretty girl said...

I am pretty sure Jill and derrick went to nepal or hondrous as missionarys. why hid it. how is it risky their lives? I do not think anyone really cares. what are they saving it for some tv special? I pray God can bless them maybe they can form their own lives without Jim bod telling them what to do anylonger.

Lisanne said...

According to an update on the family blog, Jill & Derick had a speaking engagement this past weekend in TN, as well as a family wedding in OK,on Derick's side of the family. So they may not have left for their missionary trip as yet. I just love that they want donations, but for "security reasons??) they are not telling anyone where they are going, at least not at this time. Just send in your donations, we know it's the "Dillard Family Missionary Foundation." That pretty much tell you all you need to know.

Stella said...

Watch The Duggar Family’s Emotional Farewell To Jill Dillard As She Leaves For Mission Work Overseas [Video]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2230996/watch-the-duggar-familys-emotional-farewell-to-jill-dillard-as-she-leaves-for-mission-work-overseas-video/



Chip said...

I wonder if Anna will deliver at a hospital now that Jill has. She seems with each birth to be moving closer and closer to professionals. I guess they are all adults and can make their own decisions about their life.

Lemon Drop said...

Someone on FB be compared the Dillards to Mary and Joseph! Oh. MY. Lord.

Incredulous said...

Michelle's accusation about Josh being the target of an "agenda," annoys me because I'm a target of the Duggar "agenda" to accept their beliefs and standards. They actively pursue changing public laws to align with their beliefs.

Add "arrogant" to Jessa's resume. She already knows everything and she's only 22. Not only does she know everything, she loves telling everyone else what to think and do.

In response to some comments, yes, I do think Anna will keep having babies, but I suspect it might not be at the same pace. If she isn't suffering from stress, anxiety and depression right now, then something is more seriously wrong in that household than is obvious. By now, many mothers would have grabbed the kids and gone somewhere to try to recover and maybe start a new life. At least get the kids out of a toxic environment, even temporarily.

flowerchild said...

Our church an Assembly of God, sponsors several missionaries. It is not uncommon to not disclose the exact location. If Jill and Derick are in the early stages of language training then they may be at a train center first before their actual permanent assignment. Or the location is dangerous. The tax comment is an Irs relief for the donor.

Always said...

Did anyone else notice that when Jim Bob started to pray for Jill & Derick the very first words out of his mouth were, about how they would be spreading the Gospel words about:HOW PEPLE CAN BE FORGIVEN EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE DONE WRONG THINGS! That's not exactly what I would be saying to someone who is supposedly leaving to bring God into the lives of people in another country. So the first thing you are going to say as missionaries is: "We are here to teach you that what you have done wrong can be forgiven. Boy the PR team helped with that one.

Cindy said...

Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but shouldn't Jill have money from the show and the book? I know missionaries are sponsored by churches, ect. If she and Derrick have some money, why not use it for missions? Did JimBob keep all the money earned by the girls?

I have another random thought. Will JB and Michelle settle with the non-family victim in order to avoid a trial and testimony?? In my opinion, there's more to the story and many lies to cover.

I haven't heard Anna's family make a statement. Have they and I missed it? I have this feeling that she was bullied into making a statement when this scandal broke. Oh, how I wish her family would take her and her children away from the nuthouse.

Katie's Mom said...

Wow that video. You just have to love that the very first thing out of Jim Bob's mouth when he starts praying,is about how Jill & Derick can show through the Gospel, how people can be forgiven for the wrong they do. These poor people that Jill & Derick are going to preach to, have no idea what's coming their way. Some might think they are there to help with things like, clean water, building homes, obtaining inoculations for children, help with feeding their children. The usually missionary stuff. But no such luck. They are there to teach them that no matter what wrong they do, God will forgive them. That video was truly unbearable to listen to & I am angry at myself, but I guess God will forgive me for watching this video. I hadn't given it much thought, but I'm beginning to think this missionary trip did come up rather quickly, considering that Jill went through a difficult labor & delivery in April. After all we know she attended the homeschool conference at Big Sandy & was speaking at the Alive concert. Wonder if she's even been seeing a DR for follow-up? She's done a lot of traveling post partum, after a difficult delivery. So don't know when she took time to recover properly.
On another note can't you just see Jill, in a foreign country, sitting around in a circle with her headband that reads Jill, & telling a group of little girls that they have to forgive whatever men do to them? After all, she's a missionary & that's what she did.

CiG said...

Just a thought about a song: Joshua fit the battle of Jericho

Somewhere it says: "and the walls came tumbling down".

Guess, that JB feels like that and now - among other things - wishes, that he never gave his son the Name Joshua. The technique is different, the effect the same...

InVA said...

Am I the only one who can't view any of the Duggars Instagram accounts?

All seem to be gone except for The Duggar Family and Josiah's account.

Is anyone else having this experience?

Thanks!

Marie said...

The foundation needs incorporation papers, bylaws and board of directors. I wonder who they may be. If nonprofit, these items should be available to the public. Any one taking a look?

Also, is it true that Derrick worked for Jim Bob during his missionary work?

Willow said...

You guys - the Gothard organization has already been in many countries, for many years - I can tell you offhand they have had heavy presence in Romania (there are pictures of some Bates girls in a group heading to Romania yrs ago), Russia, Indonesia, Philippines, Mexico, etc., etc. I think the one in Russia was quite large at one time, but scaled back and maybe even closed. There are probably others but I can't remember them all right now. Jill and Derick are not doing anything new, unless they are taking the Gothard message to new territory, which would not surprise me.

On a side note: You can tell for sure Derick has swallowed the Kool Aid. In his blog about leaving for missions, he uses the word "purposed". Ugh.

Rudy Tecat said...

Well, I guess it just goes to show you: whether you're a teenager whose father has political connections (like Josh), or if you're a beloved comedian (like Bill Cosby), your actions will have consequences, especially these days when there's no privacy for people in the media. You can have your family forgive you, but if you cross the public, they'll turn on you.

Bet said...

That video! Who does that? So scripted.

I believe the sin of pride and praying to garner attention is all over that video. How do you get around that, JB? Ahh, yes. You're forgiven. The Church of I Can Sin All I Want Because I'm Forgiven Again and Again and Again.

It doesn't work that way!

I think Derrick is smart. He's getting his family away from all this mess. Either for his own intentions or because he sees the writing on the wall. He can hardly speak, poor guy.

Dee said...

Re: the YouTube video of the family saying goodbye to Jill and Derick - I refuse to watch this because it wouldn't surprise me at all if we start to see this kind of thing being churned out by Dim Bulb on a regular basis so he can show TLC the 'proof' that people want to see them.
He is not going to go away quietly. We all know how much media exposure means to Dim Bulb. He loves nothing more than to get in front of a camera and pontificate.

Esther - I'm sure if we knew the extent of the corruption surrounding the local support of the Duggars it would surprise even those of us who have no regard for this family.
It's sickening.

Meme said...

Can't wait to see what happens with the lawsuit.

Just Me said...

Re: Marie's comments. According to the letter written by Derick, Jill & Derick have filed the papers with the Legacy Group. The Director of Legacy is Charles Gallagher, an associate of Huckabee. The Directors of the:"Dillard Family Missionary Foundation," are Jill & Derick. Also nobody seems to know what happened to the money from the girls book. Guess it's a lot like any money they earned from being filmed by TLC for all these years. The most prevalent guess is that Jim Bob is in charge of all monies, no matter who earned the money. After all, he is Jim Bob. He holds the: "Keys to the Kingdom."

Esther said...

In the video, Jill got a new skirt and it looks like Joy inherited the striped maternity skirt from her....unless there is more than one.

Poor Joy and Jennifer. I felt sorry for them. Wasn't Jill their sister-mom?

Derick isn't healed from his surgery as he is having trouble talking and he is so thin now.
It was cute how everyone was messing with baby Izzy and he was smiling.

Wonder Why said...

RE Jessa & her know it all attitude. I am by no means defending her, but I think once she was engaged, & knew she would be out of that house, her true personality came through. I remember thinking she was the only one in that house that was at all strict with the kids when they were supposed to be doing their school work. She didn't allow them to walk all over the house, telling her they had already done their work. She was the one that made them sit there & do their work. It was the same with the nap time. Everyone else thought she was mean to make the kids take their naps, but those kids were always exhausted & needed a nap. They were so tired they were unable to concentrate. They acted wild running around the house, roller skating etc. It was also Jessa that had the extreme fortitude to pack for the entire family for all those trips. She had a lot on her shoulders, & she never accepted it in the same quiet way Jana does. I remember that Michelle always said, Jessa could make the kids behave when she couldn't. Now there a statement you don't hear from most mother's: " My daughter can make my kids behave, do their school work & go to bed but they don't do it for me." The time she was very short, almost angry with Grandma when baking cookies for the yard sale. Everyone had comments about that, but Jessa had already spent days in charge of sorting everything for the stupid yard sale & was exhausted. I think Jessa has always had a backbone & now she is using it in an inappropriate way. I think she's one Duggar girl that's trying to spread her wings. Unfortunately, through no fault of her own she doesn't have the education to understand what she's talking about, & she makes these outrageous comments & acts in unexceptable ways. At a young age she was put in charge of kids & a house, including packing for everyone every time they left the house (we know the boys couldn't do it themselves) so for a long while she's believed she was a grown up.

Gigi said...

Marie said...
The foundation needs incorporation papers, bylaws and board of directors. I wonder who they may be. If nonprofit, these items should be available to the public. Any one taking a look?

Also, is it true that Derrick worked for Jim Bob during his missionary work?

I found the Aviation Company, Champion Auto on Hoovers.com. I could swear there was another company I saw before and it was a weird name like Crazy Duggar Family or something like that but I can't find it anymore. Hoovers is a good research site if anyone wants to take a shot at it.

Mandy said...

Cig, I believe the Hymn is, Josuha fought the battle of Jericho. Don't worry Jim Bob has all his little workers with the brick & mortar rebuilding the walls around the Duggar compound

coleen said...

Watched the goodbye vid. My heart broke for Joy. Hopefully, when she turns 18 she can join Jill and Derick.

Missy said...

Oh Coleen please don't wish that on Joy. I don't care if she misses Jill, she'll get over it. Please don't think of sending her off to live with Jill & Derick. I think they've lost their minds taking that little baby with them. Instead lets hope by some miracle Joy gets out of the compound goes to college & becomes a Physical Ed teacher or a coach. She was always someone who loved sports & being a tomboy. That won't happen as a missionary! I've always loved Joy & wish the best for her & I don't think Nepal or wherever they are going is the right place for her.

Anonymous said...

I read this blog for a long time and posted once or twice.You guys cover everything so well it's pretty much wha i'm thinking .So I just enjoy reading your post.

But today after seeing the sent off video for Jill & Derrick and baby.I couldn't help but notice how all the little girls hair look a mess.They looked as if they had just rolled out of bed.Michelle's hair looked awful,so dried and frzzy.So by this I don't think TLC is recording this little send off.These people will not give it up,they want that show back on so bad it's almost pitiful.I sure hope to never see Josh again,but my heart goes out to Anna and those babies.Anna has always been brained washed ,her parents are deep rooted in the cult .Anna and her sister married the elite in group and she'll always stand up for Josh even if it's her own kids,sad so very sad.

Living in Indy said...

Re the good bye video to Jill & Derick, can we say awkward. Jim Bob really appeared ill at ease & struggling for words.The prayer seemed odd & contrived. I felt sorry for Joy. Noticed Jana had little interaction with Jill. I didn't recognize the girl standing behind Michelle. Jill seemed strange & not happy tone leaving. I don't see the point of the Duggars returning to TV. It will be the same old junk & who wants to be subjected to continual pregnancies, bad grammar & the fact that Jim Bob will never own the fact or mention that his family is embedded within the Gothard Cult even though the whole world is aware of this fact! Again, confusion, dishonesty & lies Define the Duggars "pseudo" ministry that isn't. So with that written, how can TLC continue with this family as they have nothing interesting to film..

Esther said...

Gigi

Checking the Ark Secretary of State under Duggar as Registered Agent:

MAD FAMILY INC "For Profit Corporation" Date filed 03/06/2013 and Jim Bob is, OF COURSE, the President.

FIVESTONE GROUP, LLC JOSHUA DUGGAR Agent Address 548 ARBOR ACRES AVE
SPRINGDALE, AR 72762 Date Filed 04/29/2015

SAVE-N-GO, INC. For Profit Corporation for Jim Bob filed 01/22/1988 REVOKED

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The others are:
this is what I found in Arkansas for Duggar

DUGGAR AVIATION, LLC SPRINGDALE AR
DUGGAR PROCESSING LLC SPRINGDALE AR
DUGGAR PROPERTIES, LLC SPRINGDALE AR

Esther said...

It is my understanding that Michelle Duggars initials are MAD (Michelle Annette Duggar) so that may be how they got the MAD FAMILY name for their "For Profit Corporation" filed 03/06/2013

Chloe said...

Interesting that Know it all Jessa & Ben did not attend the send off for Jill & Derick. Jessa is one whom I cannot stand. Every time this woman opens her mouth the misinformed information she spews is ridiculous. To compare the Holocost with birth control definitely shows Jessa's lack of any stellar education. The woman is just challenged academically, has zero filter & social manners. Jessa is just pathetic.

Leigh Ann said...

"Also, is it true that Derrick worked for Jim Bob during his missionary work?"

I've read that Derick was a journeyman with the International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention, which makes sense as he was a member of an SBC church. The Journeyman program is for young adults no older than 26 who have been a member of an SBC church for two years, graduated from college and it's a two-year assignment. It started around the same time as the Peace Corps as a Christian (well, Baptist) version of the Peace Corpse. I went to a church that got its youth minister from the Journeyman program -- so we got a new youth minister every two years and some were cut out for it and some weren't -- and have had friends who have been through the program. Some then go to seminary and go on to be full-time missionaries, most don't. Although many may go into the ministry (preaching and such)in the states and for others that was their one thing and then they went onto whatever else they wanted to do. I feel pretty confident that's what he did.

Carmen Torres said...

I hope Jill and her family do move abroad. That way they can start over in another country, and Jill can see a little bit of what a world we live in.

Cedric said...

Michelle's comment or pretend advice to viewers that everyone should never watch TV was such an insane & well dumb remark. Does Michelle really believe that she has the power to control the population of the USA to stop watching TV when her family & she are on a reality TV program? Doesn'tichelke realize the 19 Kids program was income revenue for her family? When are these Duggars going to get a functioning brain & when will these Duggars realize they are in a Cult? I just can't get my mind around the absurdity & idiocy of this family. I guess living with their heads in the clouds or pretend land works for them.

Leigh Ann said...

I noticed only half the family was there for the recorded send-off. I thought that was kind of weird.

Special Ed Lady said...

Maybe in a year or two, Jill and Derrick can come back to the USA. they can settle down in Anytown USA. They can just blend in and live their lives as they please.

Esther said...




https://www.co.washington.ar.us/index.aspx?page=386

Under Collector Tax Roll" it says
Washington 9186807 Personal Current 2014 DUGGAR FARMS 548 ARBOR ACRES


Under "Commercial Personal" there it is again, DUGGAR FARMS with Duggar Aviation and Duggar Automotive.



And yes, apparently they have cattle...."Check Cows" is on John David's To Do List:http://www.cozi.com/blog/cozi-conversations-michelle-duggar

Natalie's Mommy said...

Ummm...she was comparing the Holocaust to abortion...not birth control.

Mary said...

check this out.. There mission work is to stop the Catholic church and tell them thier Christian is better

check out link it tells where there are also


Mary

sheila said...

I read the entire prayer that Boob prayed. It had NOTHING to do with Jill and Derick. It was Boob's typical passive-aggressive way to make a statement regarding Josh and his "wrongdoing". (Gag) Boob knew it was being filmed and would be shared all over social media. A pointless attempt to inform the public that Josh's mistake should be forgiven and dismissed since he had received forgiveness from God. Boob is DELUSIONAL.

Mary said...

https://www.facebook.com/269181913180625/photos/a.269728809792602.55371.269181913180625/769023353196476/?type=1&theater


check out this site

Andrea said...

check this out.. There mission work is to stop the Catholic church and tell them thier Christian is better

check out link it tells where there are also

*****

Mary, where is the link?

gigi said...

Esther....you are a very good researcher. Thank you. You know i think these people have millions of dollars by noe...they have people fooled with their buy used save the difference crapola.

Dar said...

I, too, watched the video (well, I just had to). I also thought they looked a little poor, if you will. The girls' hairdos were just a mess. The girl behind Michelle was Jinger. She looked awful, as well. It was so contrived and surreal. Why was this video taped? Can they do anything without having an audience? I think JimBob and Michelle have completely lost it this time. They can't function in the real world. This tape will be shown on TLC at some point. Mark My Words!!

I have to say, I felt a little sorry for Jill. I think she was railroaded into that marriage. She had the baby so fast and I also think that JimBob was instrumental in their leaving so quickly to "Serve". Something else he can throw out for audience appreciation. I hope that little baby is strong. He will have to be. Poor Joy. I was glad to see that Jill gave her a proper hug. What a mess Michelle has made of the lives of her offspring. They think more of their Sister-moms than her.

JimBob better get busy and find some gainful employment for all these older offspring. TLC may come calling, but not before this dies down. If the 5th girl sues in civil court, JimBob, Michelle and Josh have to tell everything and it has to be the truth. They will also be cross-examined and it won't be that fluff they have in their inerview for fox. That might change a lot of minds about them when the
real truth comes out.

2centsworth said...

Probably a civil suit will never see the light of day. The Duggars know who the other girl is, they likely have whatever cash is required to ensure that everything can be settled very quickly out of court.

Didn't (and won't) watch the video - to be honest didn't watch the show either. Just following since the scandal with son Josh, because I couldn't believe the show was not immediately cancelled. Saw one interview with the family (the one where they brought in a "special guest" who seemed to be a girlfriend of one of the sons). In my opinion, the parents were unbelievably creepy and the younger kids looked absolutely miserable. So that one show was enough for me.

If people continue to watch everything the Duggar family puts out, whether its on TV or online, I guess the message for TLC is that there is a large audience out there that are very willing to watch whatever this family, or members of this family, care to record (such as the video). No wonder they still havent cancelled this show - TLC wouldn't care why people are watching (or googling the latest online) only that there still seems to be a large audience out there quite willing to watch and follow the Duggar family activities no matter what.

The program was packaged as reality TV meant only to "entertain" viewers - but a cult is a cult and there is nothing remotely "entertaining" about this family, judging by the molestation report, and the years of covering the whole mess up. Sickening. I hope the program is cancelled. I hope that those kids, especially the little ones, get real help and a chance for a normal home life.

CiG said...

Mandy re the song. You are right, correct is "fought". It is just, that I in the versions I have heard, it was sung like "fit". Whyever. Anyhow: thank you, that was kind, because I am always glad, when someone helps me with my english. I like to improve it, whenever I can! :-) So any time you and everyone else: I am happy to be corrected and I mean this!

Carmen Torres re Jill seeing something of the world. It just came to me: this will be her first trip abroad, where she will not be sheltered away from the world she is in. She will really be experiencing a foreign country and not just people "prepared" for her. There may even be Gothard-Cult-Critical people to be met.
Unfortunately, she will have to be abroad a very long time, without any contact to her parents, in order to benefit from these experiences. If she can. Because she is the one, who has not only been drinking the Kool Aid. She bathed in it. :-(

Just Wondering said...

Cedric, don't forget the ever brilliant Michelle,actually thinks the entire population of the "WORLD", not just the United Stats, can fit into the confines of Jacksonville Florida. If you don't believe me, look it up. That was their answer to many Q&A's that they have done on their show over the years, when people asked questions, about their over populating. Now that I think of it Jim Bob probably told her that, & of course that makes it so.

Heart in Florida said...

For one thing, who has major jaw surgery, braces put on and then leaves the country in the middle of treatment? How is Derick going to get his braces adjusted every month? Too strange for words here... everything this family does or says comes with an alterior motive to THEIR advantage..Jim Bob gives this "hem and haw, aww, shucks" kind of guy persona, but he is anything but that..IMO
Why is everyone under the impression that Jerick are going off to a third world country to "preach the truth"? Maybe they are off to a beautiful foreign location and will live very well while "preaching"? This family and the public seem to believe that they are going away for a year or more...maybe they are off for a few months...their outrageously greedy wedding gift list did NOT include the "all along intention" of going off to do mission work anywhere...not for quite some time, although they stated that this opportunity came sooner than they thought...I still think this is all orchestrated by either Jim Bob and/or derickdillard to get them out of the country for any potential depositions regarding Josh's situation.
Another note: YES, people ARE forgiven for past sins/crimes if they are truly repentant with God, but they still must also face the earthly and legal consequences of those actions and choices...so why should Josh get off "scott free" if his non family victim feels otherwise? Once again, a contradiction in this family.
That awful cold video of Jerick's send off was painful to watch...this family does NOT know how to show affection; only married/sexual "love" to one another ....comes right from the example of their parents, so sad to watch...Oh, and I'm glad that Grandma Duggar was an afterthought and let out of the laundry room to side-hug her own granddaughter, grandson in law and great grandson goodbye..how thoughtless again of Jim Bob... a real "expose'" needs to be done about the real world that the Duggars and families like them live in.. documentary style.

Katie's Mom said...

You know here it is July, & that idiot Josh Duggar still hasn't actually admitted what he has done. There has been no statement from him, that included the word "molestation." All that's been said by him, is that he made a mistake & he repented, asked forgiveness. For What? Not taking out the garbage, getting angry at his wife & kids, actually having an alcoholic drink at one of these political rallies he was so fond of attending. Perhaps he realizes he should not have started wearing shorts in public instead of the wholesome wear, his family insists on. Whatever he's sorry for & has asked forgiveness for, he himself has not acknowledged. His sisters are so browbeaten by Jim Bob, I believe much more than Michelle, that they cannot think for themselves, even though they are married women. After that video & the swift departure of the Dillards, I too believe that Jim Bob got them out of the country A.S.A.P. What's wrong with Derick? Derick should be protecting his family. However it's now obvious, that Jim Bob has had Derick in his pocket ever since they became acquainted. For God's Sake, what's wrong with TLC? Don't they realize that the majority of their viewers are onto Jim Bob. They not only dislike him...they HATE him. If TLC tries to continue the ministry (now there's a joke)it will all fall away. First we learned of the molestation & let's be clear on this....yes it is molestation, not just moot charges of molestation. Now we are privileged to learn of all Jim Bob's frivolous law suits against people who may not be able to get a lawyer to defend them. Jim Bob & Josh are cut from the same cloth & there are not enough vile words in the English language to describe either one of them.
It's truly beyond belief to see people following this cult. It's difficult to think that people can be so brainwashed by cults, even ones that present themselves as wholesome, Godly, Christian families, that will certainly show us the way. All we need to do is just overlook their very small "mistakes"(It was only a mistake on Josh's part) & follow them.

Esther said...

Wow, Mary...Thanks for the link:

https://www.facebook.com/269181913180625/photos/a.269728809792602.55371.269181913180625/769023353196476/?type=1&theater

with the e-mail to DAVID W. STERLING, Chief Counsel, Arkansas DHS and DOUG MATAYO, who was Chief Deputy in the office of AR Secretary of State's office according to this from 2011:
http://ballotpedia.org/Republican_Arkansas_SOS_names_staff,_takes_oath_of_office
(Notice that it states on that old site:that Doug Matayo "Received endorsement of Huckabee in his campaign for the Third Congressional District seat".

This same Doug Matayo is now with Legacy Consulting???



So far we have seen the connections among the Duggars and:
1.) Judge Stacy Zimmerman, who demanded the police reports of the Josh Duggar molestation investigation be destroyed.
2.) Mike Huckabee
3.) (Huckpac) Mike Huckabee’s political action committee, which is overseen by Chad Gallagher the founder and principal of Legacy Consulting in Arkansas. HUCKPAC made the news earlier this year for awarding nearly $400,000 to Huckabee’s own family.
4.) Bart Hester, who called for the firing of the police chief, is a member of the Arkansas State Senate from District 1, which includes Benton County, where the Duggars have lots of property.Like Jim Bob Duggar, Bart Hester is a real estate businessman in Bentonville, Arkansas. Hester is a deacon of the First Baptist
5.) Legacy Consulting -Chad Gallagher the founder and principal
6.) Charles Chadwick "Chad" Gallagher who is Huckabee’s longtime political adviser and who helped get $400,000 awarded to Mike Huckabee's own family from HUCKPAC, which is supposed to be Mike Huckabee’s political action committee and yes, this is the same Chad Gallagher who is managing Duggar family’s public image crisis,and who set up the non profit for Dillard Family Ministries
7.) Dillard Family Ministries - Jim Bob's Daughter Jill Duggar dillard and new son-in-law Derick Dillard
8.) Bill Gothard/ Basic Life Principles Training Center/ ATI -resigned his post in 2014 after accusations came to light that he molested 34 women, failed to report child abuse under his watch at IBLP, and was accused in an internal IBLP report of “acting inappropriately toward women.”
9.) DAVID W. STERLING, Chief Counsel, Arkansas DHS (He had lunch with Doug Matayo of Legacy Consulting and who was Chief Deputy in the office of AR Secretary of State's office. The e-mail was cc'd to Chad Gallagher.
10.) DOUG MATAYO, who was Chief Deputy in the office of AR Secretary of State's office and now is with Legacy Consulting
11.) Hobby Lobby billionaire David Green gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash and real estate to Bill Gothard's group.Bill Gothard resigned earlier this year amid accusations that he molested dozens of women....but wait there is more!See the tie in between Huckabee and Gothard: http://www.ethicsdaily.com/huckabee-linked-to-controversial-bible-teacher-bill-gothard-cms-12076 <------ Read the second paragraph there!!!
12.) Sarah Palin
13.) State Senator Jon Woods who lives in Springdale said he has known about the molestation for years but the Duggars have moved on. http://www.nwahomepage.com/fulltext-news/d/story/state-senator-jon-woods-stands-up-for-duggar-famil/38883/A2y6Z3lK0E2A38ojgSuxZQ


WHO IS MISSING FROM THIS LIST? We want to keep this info out there to help everyone connect the dots as there may be something hidden in plain sight.


Has Tom Cotton, whom they stumped for, said he is behind them? http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/196171-duggars-open-to-stumping-for-tom-cotton-in-arkansas-senate-race

What about Pat Roberts from KS? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/10/23/the-duggars-are-campaigning-in-kansas-for-pat-roberts-that-may-not-be-a-good-sign-for-pat-roberts/

Esther said...

Read the second paragraph here:
http://www.ethicsdaily.com/huckabee-linked-to-controversial-bible-teacher-bill-gothard-cms-12076

Mandy said...

Can't help but wonder who will deliver Anna's 4th baby. Jill is gone so it won't be her. Of course she is not a midwife, but was in charge of Michaels birth & was present at Kenzie's. There wasn't actually any licensed person for Anna's delivery until Marcus, when she went to the midwife's house to deliver. With Kenzie, she had Josh, & MS Theresa who is a doula then Michelle & Jill arrived at the last minute. I am guessing it will be Mrs. Query, & maybe MS Theresa as they always call on them. Neither of them are midwifes. Mrs. Query, MS. Theresa & Jill were all just student midwife's under the tutelage of the woman who had her license pulled. So they no longer count as even a student midwife. Guess it's not all that important, as when Anna was in agony with Michael's labor & delivery Josh said, "I expressed to Anna that she could do this." That said, he went in to take a nap. What a guy!

Bobbi said...

Hey Esther, if possible, please forward this valuable information to the media orgs such as in Touch, Dateline, 20/20 & others if you haven't already done so. Thank you. Bobbi

Cedric said...

Well Jill will probably Skype her family on a daily basis. Jill needs her Daddy Jim Bob controlling fix. I compare the Duggar kids to people addicted to drugs they can't function without their daily fix. I noticed during the unsettling send off for Jill & Derick it was if the elephant was in the room & no one spoke of it. Even the little kids seemed oppressed & depressed. It was obvious that TLC did not film this event.

Chloe said...

Naralie, thank you. I stand corrected. Much appreciated.

Katie's Mom said...

2centsworth, I do agree with you about the video & as I mentioned before I am angry at myself for watching it. I was intent on seeing if there was any mention of forgiveness. Yes the entire video was about forgiveness. Promise to stay strong & not watch. I will only follow this blog. .

Leigh Ann said...

Those poor cows! Cows have to be on a schedule, Duggar-time won't do it. Maybe John David knows how to keep to a schedule even his parents don't seem to care or bother.

Esther said...

CiG said...


Unfortunately, she will have to be abroad a very long time, without any contact to her parents, in order to benefit from these experiences. If she can. Because she is the one, who has not only been drinking the Kool Aid. She bathed in it. :-(



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I thought a remark was made (by Jim Bob?) that they would come see Jill. (Watch for the next Duggar Family vacation...I mean mission trip.)

Esther said...


Anonymous Just Wondering said...

Cedric, don't forget the ever brilliant Michelle,actually thinks the entire population of the "WORLD", not just the United Stats, can fit into the confines of Jacksonville Florida. If you don't believe me, look it up. That was their answer to many Q&A's that they have done on their show over the years, when people asked questions, about their over populating. Now that I think of it Jim Bob probably told her that, & of course that makes it so.

7/08/2015 5:04 AM


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HERE IT IS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxzXlk6Z97o


Esther said...

Anonymous Heart in Florida said...

For one thing, who has major jaw surgery, braces put on and then leaves the country in the middle of treatment? How is Derick going to get his braces adjusted every month? ......... Maybe they are off to a beautiful foreign location and will live very well while "preaching"? This family and the public seem to believe that they are going away for a year or more...maybe they are off for a few months...their outrageously greedy wedding gift list did NOT include the "all along intention" of going off to do mission work anywhere..

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Theseare exactly some of the things I have been thinking, too!

sandi said...

Tnanks,Heart in FL.I said the same thing about Jill and Derick leaving the country so Jill wouldn't have to testify,and my comment got rejected

Bobbi said...

It's not the cult doctrine of Gothard that corrupts families its the corrupt thinking of a man attracted to this doctrine. A man who must always be in control, always believes he is right, a man who is elitist, a man who disrespects a wife & females in general. That pretty much defines Jim Bob Duggar.

Auggie said...

On FB, Jim Bob, using Greece as an example, is preaching the evils of debt and the importance of being debt free. Has he forgotten about the back taxes that Josh owed? Again, so hypocritical. Then Jim Bob promotes a book you can use to teach your children about managing money. Again, what happened to teaching Josh this?

Dee said...

I never thought of making a FCC complaint. Although the FCC stated that it cannot take action on a complaint based on 'general opinion' at least it gets the statement out there that people are offended by TLC's inaction where 19 Kids and Counting is concerned.
I just filed an informal complaint with them. I am still messaging TLC daily, writing to sponsors still supporting TLC to encourage them to rethink that position, writing to 20/20 and Dateline to encourage them to do an in-depth investigation into Bill Gothard/IBLP and the Duggars.
However this shakes out, at least I'll have the personal satisfaction that I did what I could to get my concerns out there.
Continued thanks to Sharla for a place to communicate with like-minded people, and to those who are coming up with great ideas to make our voices heard.

Ellyn said...

Buy used save the difference is clearly a joke as are Jim Bob & Michelle. Jim Bob has to be in control of everything. If this lawsuit by the 5th victim goes to fruition, & Jim Bob has to take the stand I don't see him overpowering g the judge or attorney who will pull no punches but seriously grill him. Since he advertises that he's the best Christian in the world, he will be held accountable & if he is on the stand unless he purjors himself, he can go to jail for purjury. That would be a great place forvJim Bob to reflect on his stupid loyalty to the Gothard Cult.

Dee said...

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I just found this. It's a step in the right direction thanks to Daily Mail. Check out their article on Bill Gothard/IBLP and Josh's 'cleansing' at the Little Rock facility:

'EXCLUSIVE: Revealed - how Josh Duggar was 'cleansed' after sexually abusing his siblings - carpentry, lust counselling, and one-on-one talks on Jesus' 'seven stresses'

FINALLY a news outlet scratching the surface of the Gothard teachings and the association with the Duggars. Hopefully it will catch hold here in the US!

sheila said...

Bobbi... you are extremely right that Josh is just like JB. Josh's narcissistic, entitled, self-absorbed, DELUSIONAL self was contemplating running for the POTUS 2016 on the conservative ticket. It would be funny if I wasn't totally disgusted with pretty much anything he does now.

gigi said...

Just read by doing a search on Bing for duggar news that josh was caught watching lorn on a company computer when Jim Bob was running for office. He was 16 at the time

Mary said...

You will love this..... Make sure you keep scrooling down..

Very funny


Mary

http://dlisted.com/tag/duggars/

bigmommakat said...

For quite awhile now I thought I was the only person who saw through the much too sweet and perfect lives of the Duggar family. Then I found your site. Wow, I am amazed at the insight and honesty of your readers/posters. How refreshing!
I almost feel guilty by my negative feelings towards this family, but I think they have become a bunch of lying grifters.
I am also going out on a limb here and state that I think people should take what Jill and new hubby say or report to us with a tiny grain of salt. It just does not make a lick of sense to me. These two get married and ask for and receive outrageous amounts of wedding gifts, then in the blink of an eye she is knocked up and begging for baby gifts and receiving them. They have this beautiful free home to live in and suddenly shortly after giving birth they decide to leave the country.
I may be just an old gal from Texas, but momma didn't raise no fool. Something smells fishy folks. If I had been one of the blind sheep who shelled out hard earned money for a gift I would not be a happy camper right about now. What was the point.
The last point I would like to make is about the mother of the year. For years I have laughed at the lunacy and fakeness of this woman. If, repeat if, she had ever even half heartedly acted as a real mother to any of her children I guarantee you there is no way she would have "stayed sweet." Her nerves and patience would have been shot. That ignorant minnie mouse,fairy voice would be replaced with sounds of yelling and frustration. Ole freaky Jimbo would think twice before planting a lip lock on his hot cheereader or else she might just clock him upside that hairsprayed helmet head of his.
please excuse the rant.

Mary said...

Hi

News keeps getting worse for Josh and Duggars

http://www.inquisitr.com/2237387/josh-duggar-got-caught-watching-porn-at-work-which-politician-was-his-boss/


Mary

TGuerrant said...

Jim Bob Duggar was shown smiling broadly as he rode home with tax cheat/creationist Kent Hovind, just released on probation from federal prison in Florida. (That link will take you here. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/07/08/look-whos-loose-now/)

Last month, the "Free Kent Hovind" site posted a message from the still-imprisoned Hovind attacking the media for its coverage of Josh Duggar's past conduct, saying Hovind had "known and loved the Duggars for many years and will continue to do so."

(That link will take you here: http://freekenthovind.com/2015/06/08/pastor-kent-hovind-supports-duggar-family-16-things-christians-should-look-into/)

Katie's Mom said...

Welcome bigmommakat.You are very insightful & your post is spot on. Glad you found a blog where you can express these feeling that so many of us have had for quite sometime,way before the big scandal. You have pretty much covered what many of us have been believed for a long time. Good work! Hope you can join us in bringing an end to this circus/show & of course last but not least, the Duggar ministry. You may have noted that Bobbi, Esther & others(sorry if I didn't mention everyone's names) have provided us with excellent resources, e.g. many good email address, phone numbers etc. to help us move this process along.

Auggie said...

Have you noticed on the Duggar's FB page that they are using Greece as an example of the evils of having debts and promoting a book to teach children about money? Earlier this year the media was saying Josh owed $14,000 in back taxes. I guess they forgot to teach Josh about the virtues of living debt-free. Why would they not think that the public would put these two pieces together?

JeannieBean said...

To Heart in Florida and Esther re the Dillards recent departure.

I'm afraid that many of us are thinking along those lines too. Time and time again, this family has lied, sugar-coated, twisted and evaded the truth on so many things. From the disgusting Josh molestation/incest down to the Jana is a concert pianist, they really are masters at spin. So for all we know this secret-undisclosed-location-for-security-reasons trip could very well be an extended second honeymoon for Jill and Derick, enjoying the quiet life relaxing at some beautiful location all under the guise of doing "mission work". I don't like to seem so negative, but I for one, simply don't believe anything they say anymore, much like one learns to not believe an addict or a pathological liar. As soon as the Duggar/Dillards started asking for donations to fund this trip I got suspicious. This is of course all purely speculation on my part right now, but based on the Duggars' track record of the truth, nothing would surprise me.

Who leaves the country so soon after a difficult delivery?
Who leaves the country so soon after mouth surgery and braces?
Who leaves the country after their mother has been so ill?

and one more question...
Will Jessa and Ben be doing sudden out of the country "mission work" shortly after she's given birth too?

One certainly has to wonder.....

Willow said...

Esther: Maybe you can add to your list: Doug Phillips and the Vision Forum fiasco. He was head of VF and had to shut it completely down due to molesting his teenage nanny and other shady shenanigans. Duggars were "hob-knobbers" with the VF crowd, including DP and his wife.

Thanks for EXCELLENT post. I will keep thinking. I'm sure there is more!! (P.S., Mike Huckabee makes me SICK. And I am a Republican. I never did like him. Hope its o.k. to post that).

Bobbi said...

Once again, just emailed several media orgs advising the importance of reading the "Duggars Without Pity" blog & the plethora of information available to read & assimilate about the Gothard Cult & the Duggars. I've also contacted Alexander Hitchens of In Touch Mag. PH: 917-974-5151.

Bobbi said...

Dee, wow this is amazing. I would have never thought to contact the FCC about TLC, Gothard & the inane Duggars. This is good news. Way to go Der. Thank You. Bobbi

Chloe said...

Esther. True this business of getting Jill & Derick out if the country is weird. Something rotten in Denmark. The fact that the location to where the Dillards have gone is a "mystery" makes me belive it's Not mission work but an extended vacation. Jill is still recovering from C section surgery & Derick from dental surgery. I don't see this family living in meager living quarters. As the favorite tattletale Duggar daughter, Jill is accustomed to being pampered & living quite well. I am not beliving this trip abroad is about missionary work. Did anyone notice that during the long send off, Jim Bob standing next to Jill said something such as... "Jill you are going off to do mission work something you've always wanted to do". Jill looked at Jim Bob with a confused face as if this comment wasn't the truth. Anyway, that's what I observed. Any comment regarding the interaction between Jim Bob & Jill?

Elspeth said...

I read that the Dillards were going to El Salvador that perennial "mission" spot of the Duggars where Jill and Derick were photographed walking on the beach.

pretty girl said...

You are right Derrick would have to stay here and go get his wires changed. If they did leave I think for sure they are in south America working with that so group they vist every year

sandi said...

Jeanniebean,that is a good thought."Mission work" could mean anything,like they are in a nice country helpimg little old ladies cross the street,or helping ppl carry their luggage at the same 5 star hotel where they are staying.I just find it odd they expect donations without saying where or what they will be doing,or even how long they will be gone.It reminds me of when my kids were in college;the school sure did expect money from the parents,but at the same time,they told us we were not allowed to see their grades.Hmm...

June Bug said...

Remember recently someone posting a comment about an Instagram account owned by Joe Donaldson? Good job. He is apparently a friend of the Duggars and Dillards. He had lots of photos and videos of the family and the annoying wedding planner Sierra. He had photos helping a friend remodel, I think it might've been Josh and Anna's fixer-upper, in one picture it looked like Jana was there working, imagine that. I tried to go back to his Instagram and it looks like it's been removed. I didn't see this comment a few days ago when I looked at the account but, according to another website someone asked him if The Dillards left for their mission trip to El Salvador he answered yes they did. Whoop's guess they can't trust that goofball friend with the Dillard secrets. If he really did let the secret out of the bag, maybe he will make it up to them by giving cheap old Jim Bob some free furniture, acording to his Instagram that's where the Duggars have been buying a lot of thier furniture. That's why the kids and Jim Bob keep wearing those dark blue shirts that say Sam's on them. Do I really care where they get their furniture no, But what about buy used and save the difference? I think that flew out the window along time ago, especially with Queen Jessa remember the whole house full of new furniture?
If Jill/Derick did go to El Salvador with SOS ministries maybe that's why in the farewell video Michelle and Jim Bob said they would come over to see them. Isn't that the mission trip that the Duggers take once or twice a year.

https://instagram.com/joe_donaldson_1/

Ellyn said...

A I don't see Jessa & Ben leaving the shores of America to do mission work. Jessa is not a giving person or giving of herself. The Seewalds are takers. Jessa is too much into herself to even consider mission work as is Ben who's not the brightest. Jessa enjoys providing inaccurate & incorrect information to viewers. Jessa is clueless as to how foolish she appears when she makes those stupid remarks about the Holocaust comparing it with abortion. So Jessa just continue down the road of ignorance apparently it works for your pathetic brain matter. There is not a sincere or genuine attitude this woman projects.

Chloe said...

Angie, it's obvious the Duggars Do Not Think. They never put their brains in gear before putting their mouth in motion. They never research & they are MINUS A FILTER. They are just ignorant, Hick Gothard Cult members from Arkansas.

Living in Indy said...

If Michelle Duggar combed or washed that rats nest of hair, I wonder what might one find that could be living in that nest? Just curious.

Bertha said...

I wonder if Jill is leaving because she was a witness? I wonder if Jessa will leave the country too in case she gets called in to testify? Is that the plan-get rid of the witnesses?

Sunday said...

In Texas there are missionary language schools for folks headed to central and south america. Is it possible that the Dillards are going there first for six months or so for intensive language training and "boot camp" for learning to survive in a third world country? That would give Jill time to recover from a difficult birth, Derick time to have his teeth worked on and Israel a chance to grow up a little. They would be crazy enough to take a newborn to a third world, lawless, dangerous place; let's just hope they didn't.

Bobbi said...

I just logged on to dlisted blog. I read three pages of data about the Duggars which included the Duggar women as "baby making machines", the Josh Duggar scandal, the many contradictions said by Jim Bob & other Duggars. The interviews with Meghn Kelly of Fox News , The piece was written by a person with a great sense of sarcastic humor. It was too funny. I laughed so hard that I almost couldn't catch my breath. However it was so true.

sandi said...

Re: http://www.inquisitr.com/2237387/josh-duggar-got-caught-watching-porn-at-work-which-politician-was-his-boss/

You know,they may very well have slapped each other on the back and laughed about it

Special Ed Lady said...

Maybe they went something like witness protection. Hence the change in Derrick. Jill will cut her hair and wear pants. They will move to anywhere USA. They will change their names to Bill and Susan Jones with their baby Tom.

Esther said...

So what about all the expensive wedding gifts from around the world that the Dillards received? Do they store them somewhere?

Esther said...

sandi said...

Re: http://www.inquisitr.com/2237387/josh-duggar-got-caught-watching-porn-at-work-which-politician-was-his-boss/

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That is who I guessed the "babysitter" was. I had posted why I thought so in the June 2015 forum. (I don't think she was really babysitting. Maybe she had come over once and acted as a babysitter with the sister-moms so Jim Bob and his ridiculous pretentious titles ---concert pianist, for one--said it was the "babysitter". (Why would Josh need a babysitter if he was old enough to be skulking?

Esther said...

Willow said...

Esther: Maybe you can add to your list: Doug Phillips and the Vision Forum fiasco. He was head of VF and had to shut it completely down due to molesting his teenage nanny and other shady shenanigans. Duggars were "hob-knobbers" with the VF crowd, including DP and his wife.


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Good one Willow. Will add it to a list I will keep here






Anonymous TGuerrant said...

Jim Bob Duggar was shown smiling broadly as he rode home with tax cheat/creationist Kent Hovind, just released on probation from federal prison in Florida. (That link will take you here. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/07/08/look-whos-loose-now/)


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Another good one to add to our list above (found above as 7/08/2015 6:27 AM) that includes, but is not limited to Judge Stacy Zimmerman/ Mike Huckabee/Huckpac/Legacy Consulting/ Bart Hester/ Charles Chadwick "Chad" Gallagher /Dillard Family Ministries....etc. etc.


Esther said...

Derick has on a tee shirt in that pathetic goodbye video that says Benham Companies. Curious, I googled and found this:
http://www.benhamcompanies.com/blog/benhamcompanies/dinner-duggars-0

Well, I'll be dipped! Look around that blog and you learn these guys are on TLC, like Jim Bob are into real estate like Jim Bob and they have Derick wearing their tee shirt. I wonder if that is another attempt to suck up to TLC.


Bobbi, et al. please feel free to share the connections we are finding with any and all of the places you all post or e-mail. (I am not computer-literate enough to do it and I don't do any social media, but I think we have some good info here that everyone is finding.)

Chloe said...

I don't believe Jill has much common sense she does as she pleased & similar to her Dad, does not listen. I thought Derick was one who was smart & had common sense. However, he's Provence wrong by drinking the Gothard & Duggar Kool aid. I do hope the Dillars are in Texas to learn the language of the country they will go to. & spread the Gothard Cult. I don't believe Jill or Derick are putting the needs & life of Israel first if they are in fact already living in the third world country. I just don't understand the thought process of these crazy cult Duggars & now Dillards.

Wednesday said...

I just don't get why the DerrickDillards are in such a rush to move. Why not just enjoy their first baby and their fabulous house? It's weird to go from posting your belly pics and weekaversarries constantly to begging for money and running away with a very tiny baby.

Annie said...

When the Duggars go on these missionary trips to El Salvador, the name of the mission is: SOS. Since I'm not familiar with thees mission trips I am wondering if those initials stand for :SAVE OUR SOULS." Perhaps not, but would someone kindly let me know what those letters stand for.

pretty girl said...

I am 100 precent sure they are doing work in south america with that group they go see everyyear. that would be easy for them to vist and derrick to fly back home to get his teeth fixed and still not be too far from his mom who has cancer? They never planned this trip it was a hurry up trip and most people know it.

CiG said...

Special Ed Lady said...
Maybe they went something like witness protection. Hence the change in Derrick. Jill will cut her hair and wear pants. They will move to anywhere USA. They will change their names to Bill and Susan Jones with their baby Tom.
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That would mean, they have an idea of being wrong and I don't see that coming anytime at all. Jill is so full of herself and being raised a Duggar, she won't
change her name. She will expect others to take everything she "like totally surreal" deigns to give out at face value. SHE can't be wrong. Never, ever. So it must be the rest of the inconsiderate, un-godly world. I would sooner expect her to sue people to think in a different way, than she does about anything Duggar.

CiG said...

I do not remember who wrote it, but someone wrote about Jessa being able to press her orders. Jana does that, too. I remember that Joy tried to teach the younger kids that song and they where troublesome. So Joy said: if you don't behave, I get Jana up here. Jackson later said:"If Joy has to get Jana, because we don't behave, we are in big trouble." And I do think, that this ist the way in general: Jana rules the roost. She says what goes. Only in a quieter way than Jessa, since Jana is not so full of herself. Or she may be, but she can hide it better, than Jessa.

My thought on Jana is: she got a better education than any other of the younger kids and Josh, because there were less kids in the beginning. Better not in the quality provided by her parents, but in the reflection about what she learned. I think, that she is one of the few Duggars (like Josiah and Joy, Jed, Jer, Justin, Hannie, Jenny and Jordyn) who does put her brain in gear, before she puts her mouth in motion. There is a lot, that she doesn't say. But even more, that she thinks. She just learned to hide it very well. Early on in live, she was a tomboy and very active child, but that was "blanket-trained" out of her. BUT: she just learned to watch and behave as expected. That is of great value in that family.

Something almost entirely else: I got a feeling in the latest films, that Michelle, albeit unconciously tries to "cozy up" to Jenny. Not, because she loves her so much, but because Jenny does not pretend, that she loves her. Jenny loves her Mom. Meechelle is some grown-up, who lives in the house with her and sometimes pretends to give her a lesson, when she can get herself way from Daddy. She loves her Daddy, but Meechelle is just there. Jill is her Mommy. And Jenny is not one to pretend to love someone, that she does not love. So Meechelle has the unconcious need to get Jenny to show her love for her, because that is proof, that she is "Mother of the year" with some right. Not, that she really cares, wether Jenny loves her or not. She just wants Jenny to show, that she loves her and that she won't do. And my oppinion for that is: KEEP IT UP JENNY!!

And to finish off: in that awkward video, Jordyn was the only one of the small kids, who folded her hands to pray and really pray. AND she "told Josie off" or tried at least to make her stand still, when the mite sort of hopped around.
I find, that Jordyn really has a hard time in that family: the only one who seems to love her, really, is her Daddy. She loves her Mom, but neither she nor Meechelle ever showed any care for her. And now, that Jessa is married, nobody cares for her appearance either. Nor for Hannies, but then: Hannies Mum hardly has time or energy to take care of her own appearence, she even yawned once in the video. Jenny and Josie (as far as possible with that hair) had their hair done nicely. For Jenny it would have been Joy and for Josie her Mom.

Sorry for the very long post, but there is one thing more: people missing:
Smug-Josh and family: not welcome
John-David: at work
Jessa and family perhaps managed to steal away to Bens family.
Joseph: at college
Josiah: with his intended or: he might have filmed the scene, he is a film-fan
Jed and Jer (Jer at least): at Alert-Camp (I though a picture elsewhere)
Jason: the only one missing (well, not clear, where he was). Unless he was the one to film it all. The rest was there.

Sorry, for the extremely long post!!

Marion Jameston said...

So, who else noticed that subtle, little reaction from Michael in last night's Bringing Up Bates, when Brandon finally popped the question? Did you notice Michael cried, said yes, hugged Brandon, and said something about how she had wanted to marry him since the first time she met him. She did not say, "Totally!"

Bree said...

I think it was Derick who always wanted to be a missionary even when came back from Nepal to marry Jill. I did not see him being happy in that stuffy office, crunching numbers being a tax accountant. He looked super happy and free as a bird in those photos prior to marriage when in Nepal. I seriously knew he would suspect or demand Jill to move abroad. I just hope Jill really knows or wants to do this especially with such a young baby in tow. Sad if Derick is 'bullying' her into this because he is now head of household and must do as he says. That would be sick.

Incredulous said...

After TGuerrent posted the link to the photo of JB cozied up in the car with Kent Hovind when he was released from prison this week, I read up on this guy who I'd never heard of before. http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/07/08/look-whos-loose-now/

Wow! If I were an investigator or tabloid, I'd be following up on this connection as critical to the whole story. I started with a basic google search and couldn't stop reading. One link lead to another and I eventually found myself reading in disbelief an analysis of Hovind's "doctoral dissertation" that he "earned" from the diploma mill, "Patriot BIble University. (Patriot U is a shocking story in and of itself.) http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm This is who JB associates wit? Is good enough friends with to leave his family in Arkansas to go to Florida and drive home with him from prison? (or out to lunch to celebrate or whatever)

If JB shares Hovind's worldview, standard of education, standard of honesty and tax evasion history, and it sure seems like he does based on everything known about the two of them AND the photo of them in the car this week, it should be exposed. A good investigative writer could connect the dots and illustrate the danger of the Duggars being in the political arena, public eye, and international mission field.

It was no accident that JB and M were chosen for the TLC show based on the list of political connections and counting. The whole thing seems conspiratorial to me. Its even more essential that the Duggars are exposed for their lack of education, weird belief system, and propensity to lie when it suits their needs. Gothard is a huge part of this story, but Hovind adds a whole hew level of horror to it.

Leigh Ann said...

This is SOS missions: The Duggars are right on the main page: http://www.soshope.org/

Just my thoughts said...

SOS website-Summer Mission Trips-July 5, 2015-August 1,2015
El Salvador and Honduras Trip-July 6,2015-July 16,2015
2week trip to both locations-July 18,2015-August 1,2015
So the fact that Jill and Derick left July 5 is a good indication they are in El Salvador-my thought is they will stay the whole month-until August 1 and as
Sunday said-maybe go to Texas to language school. To ask for donations to support them-unbelievable-if the donations would go to the SOS ministries-then why not have people donate to them instead of the Dillard Foundation.

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