Free Discussion, April, 2016

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Chloe said...

Here's the thing... We've all seen St Michelle pseudo homeschooling her kids at the kitchen table. I always believed this behavior was for the cameras & deception. I am confused as to how currently the older daughters now homeschool the younger kids when clearly the older kids never earned a GED. These Duggar kids have been Robbed of a sound education, this show will never last forever. With dimwitted parents Jim Bob & Michelle, the future of these kids ability to earn a living seems as a distant bell & limited.

Susan B. said...

I have these images of squirrelly acting Sierra showing up with her legal pad to "consult" and give TLC and the Duggar idiotic ideas about what things they can do next as a family to entertain the mindless viewers. Her eyes are all bugged out and her being so dramatic. She manages to get her family on ($$$$$$ from heaven)...her step-mom, her husband and their tribe...his boss and get plugs in for the furniture store where her husband works....and she is always there so she is always getting a big paycheck.

I can't wait to say good bye and good riddance to that one, for sure.

hello said...

Keeping the kids uneducated is Jimboob's way of keeping them under his control. Michelle attended a public high school, was a cheerleader, wore pants and dated. Jimboob came along and convinced her that was all wrong. He is probably the one who convinced her that her neighbor got divorced after seeing her mow the lawn in a bikini. He was the one who brought up the fact that Mullet dated other boys before him and might as well called her a slut. He tries to come across as a fun loving dad, but I would bet he is manipulative and mean behind closed doors. He has his kids convinced that the outside world is evil. He expects them to think and feel as he does. They will always be under his control no matter how old they are.

lisa mcginess said...

you can see for sure that none of these kids can hold jobs. Home school kids are suppose to take state board states to see if they see if they are were they are suppose to be were they are suppose to be? and josh job in dc was also a big fat lie? this whole family is a lie? the new show is also a bigger lie then 19 kids and counting was?

Denisean said...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/03/josh-and-anna-duggar-spotted-in-public-for-first-time-since-reha/

Hannah said...

I wanted to see who Nancy Daniels was. I had to laugh when I saw this:

Daniels has worked on these shows which could be episodes of the Duggars:
BERING SEA GOLD (Arkansas Gold ~ There is gold in them thar hills)
FAST N’ LOUD (The Howlers!)
NAKED AND AFRIAD (SIC)With the Duggars it would be FULLY CLOTHED AND AFRAID, IF JOSH IS AROUND
DEADLIEST CATCH (WHEN JOSH WAS BORN AND THE DOCTOR CAUGHT HIM)
MYTHBUSTERS (ALL OF THE DUGGARS EPISODES ARE MYTHS!)
ALL THE PRESIDENT’S MEN REVISITED SPECIAL. (Jim Bob, with his limited education who after being sent to a special school finally graduated from high school, when he was just about a month shy of his 19th birthday and who somehow got elected as a state senator could be THE SENATORS’S BOYS REVISITED SPECIAL.)
CAKE BOSS (SIERRA THE BOSSY ONE WHO LIES ABOUT FIXING THE CAKE FOR ANNA'S CHILD)
THE LITTLE COUPLE (HANNIE AND JACKSON WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE)
SISTER WIVES (SISTER MOMS...Sister Wives....whatever)
WHAT NOT TO WEAR (PANTS)
SAY YES TO THE DRESS (No to the pants and yes, to the frumper.)

More Cheesy PR from Duggar cult ..... said...

And guess what furniture store Smugs and Anna were shopping at....OF course, it is where Sloppy Jo Dominguez's husband works. Isn't that wonderful PR since everyone is writing about seeing Josh out and about on all the websites....at BLEEP Furniture Store.

A friend who lives there said their commercials are VERY cheesy.

Captain Crunch said...

Just because I enjoy torturing myself, I took a looksee over on the Facebook page, Duggar Family Official' and have read so many comments about how the show NEEDS to bring back 'Sweet Michelle' & 'Wonderful JimSlob'. I'm amazed at how tribes of Duggar-ites simply revere these phoney baloneys! Its insanity!

Michelle Duggar giving acting lessons to Sierra Jo Dominguez.. said...

This is Michelle teaching Sloppy Jo Sierra how to act for the camera:


https://video-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xtp1/v/t42.4659-2/11832632_924337727630323_908079117_n.mp4?oh=3d305830a36aa2cd1584b18d30f5f01f&oe=56FF78C9

ROFLMAO!

Fake it.... said...

RE: Anonymous Captain Crunch said...

... over on the Facebook page, Duggar Family Official' ... so many comments about how the show NEEDS to bring back 'Sweet Michelle' & 'Wonderful JimSlob'. I'm amazed at how tribes of Duggar-ites simply revere these phoney baloneys!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I bet many of those are fakes written by the Duggars who think nothing of deceiving their viewers with a fake reality show...so why not make up comments and post them? If each of the kids and Ma and Pa post a few comments about wanting the Duggar patriarch and his woman on the fake comments add up quickly to look like lots of people like them....and so advertisers will want to advertise.

Sadly, some who claim they can't stand them still can't seem to comprehend how it works. As long as people continue to watch it they are ensuring that this family of grifters has money thrown at them.

Always said...

Re:Hello's comment about Jim Bob trying to come across as a full loving dad. Nothing could be further from the truth! I will always remember, once when Michelle was going to speak at some church women's group, all young mothers. She took all the older girls with her, down to Joy. I have no idea why but I guess it was to show them how wonderful it is to be a mom. Anyway, Jim Bob was left with all the other kids, except Josh, as he was out of the house by then. Jim Bob was continually saying that he had never taken care of all the kids without the help of the older girls. The producer tried to initiate some interaction between Jim Bob & the kids. They were surrounding him in a circle trying to get his attention, but he was actually pushing them away. I knew when I watched that episode that Jim Bob was no fun loving dad, far from it. He didn't play with those kids at all. Finally he made them his favorite lunch, canned tuna in barbecue sauce.Most of the kids didn't like it, but they ate it. He was constantly saying how difficult it was without the older girls there. After lunch he had all of them at the dinning rm. table & he read the Bible to them & asked them questions about what certain verses meant. That was when I realized, that he couldn't pronounce most of the names in the Bible. So for this fun loving dad there was no going outside to play, even though they had a basketball court & the zip line, a trampoline to name a few. He never read any other book but the Bible to them. So in my opinion, Jim Bob Duggar has never been; "father of the year." Of course Michelle should never have been "mother of the year," either!

Willow said...

I have to wonder how many of the "fans" who write in and slobber all over the Duggars are really legit? They could be "plants" for all we know. Just sayin..

I am still not watching, thank goodness, because if I had to see Sierra again, it would make me ill. Some (TLC producers) may think she is more interesting than the Duggars, but she is NOT a Duggar. I just don't get why the Duggars would allow her to be on so much. (?) Now back to my real life.

Carole said...

Hate to disappoint those happy about the falling ratings but 1.3 million viewers is still excellent for a reality show. 1 million was their average before the weddings. Wish I could find the ratings for The Willis Family to compare seeing that they actually have talent. Weird in their own way and committed to gender roles and college is "not necessary" per the mom, but talented.

Elspeth said...

1.3 M isn't excellent for TLC (because all that matters is within the same network), but it's stay on the air for most shows. What really matters is ad revenue vs cost of production. We don't have access to either of those numbers so have to guess based on viewership. For TLC anything below around 1 M or 1.1 M can put a show in jeopardy because of the above revenue vs costs. The Roloffs came back because they negotiated salaries and production costs to make the show profitable again. Any show that drops below about 750K is usually axed.

Excellent is 3.5 to 4 M viewers. That makes the executives happy. 1.3 is closer to hanging on and chugging.

Willis family had 857,000 viewers this last Tuesday. They're entering barely hanging on.

TLC, Listen up said...

Think of the viewers they would have if TLC started exposing the cults. Start interviewing Anna's brother and all kids who have been raised that way. Expose Gothard and give these young people who were not allowed to go to cleve a way to make
Money to go to school instead of continuing to throw it after ugly old JIm Bob whho is so proud he scored a cheerleader who is always joyfully ready to fulfill the sick desires he was showing mini golf.

Cedric said...

Willow, clearly Sierra ska Sloppy Jo is an opportunist & she's not clever or smart enough to carry off this pathetic facade.

Meme said...

That show is going to die because it has to - here are a few reasons:
Michelle apparently cannot give birth any more. The cute little kids aren't so cute or little any more. Everybody else is unemployed and has absolutely nothing to do. And there is nothing left to film that hasn't already been seen. Courtships, babies, childbirth, trips, birthday parties, speaking engagements, weddings, etc. Been there, done that. In fact, let's take a moment and think about a day in the life of a Duggar.
Morning - sleep in due to not having a set bedtime, including the wee ones who sometimes camp out on the stairs with a pillow.
Noon - If you're a male, stand around holding a plate while the females (except Queen Mama M) cook your food for you.
Afternoon - School. Sorta. Followed by jurisdictions. Sorta. (Unless your name happens to start with Jana, in which case you will labor your @$$ off.).
Evening - Little kids run wildly and energetically cause they HAVE TO, in order to get rid of some of that excess energy, which is so excessive and energetic, according to their mama. Older kids and all adults will take this time to...,...um.......er....ya got me. WHAT DO THEY DO ALL DAY?
All things considered, it's a miracle that the show lasted as long as it has. I don't think an anniversary was ever missed. Jim Bob and Michelle have had special meals, dinner shows by the kids, even a vow renewal ceremony attended by all of their.....children. Every graduation, birthday, special (or non special) event has been done and done.

So I see nothing left for the viewers. Unless you really, really like birthday parties and childbirths, that is.

lisa mc gins said...

Heard they just renewed sister wives. that is another show that should be cancelled.

Andrea said...

I agree with Carole, "1.3 million viewers is still excellent for a reality show." I think cancellation will ultimately be decided by lack of interested advertisers not lack of viewership. Fox News reported just two days ago that advertisers were angry, having purchased blocks of ads and in doing so inadvertently appeared during Counting On. Elsepth is also correct, it all comes down to "ad revenue vs cost of production" but we know ad revenue is disappearing as last week all ads were for other TLC shows. Trust me folks the end is near, it's just taking way longer than I would have thought.

mickey said...

They are trying to keep production costs down, hanging around the compound, a bit of filming in Central America, not much.

Duggar burnout. Seen it all, and now the apparent dysfunction makes the show absolutely boring. Repetition. And the hypocrisy makes the show even more disgusting.

Duggars will be gone, if not this season, it won't make another one. Then, a special, "Duggars, five years later" would be entertaining. Still grifting? Anyone have a job?

Wee ones said...

Meme mentioned the little one camping out on the stairs. I sorta remember this....little girls sleeping on the stairs instead of locked in at night with the others????

Chloe said...

Back to Sierra aka Sloppy Jo.. SJ will never establish a credible "EVENT" planning business she is Minus the Savvy to carry it off. SJ would need to establish the business by registering with the state because credible businesses pay Taxes. This thought would never cross SJ's pathetic brain.

Strawberry Jo Dominguez said...

I think the county health dept should be looking at where Sloppy Jo Dominiguez throws together those pathetic looking chocolate covered strawberries and doesn't use gloves. She must have a deal to buy the strawberries as the store is ready to give them to the food bank because they look so bad. Buy used looking and save the difference.

Willow said...

Just one more thing to add: Didn't Sierra attend any of the Bates weddings? Or Amy's? Did she not take some tips from their wedding planner/s?? I do think the Duggars may have hamstrung her, though, to some degree. The result was the same, however, as I think she harmed her reputation as a wedding/party planner. The Bates clan can out-do her with hardly even trying. If the Duggars did not provide enough money etc., she should have just said no.

IU HOOSIER said...

Sierra aka Sloppy Jo is baptized into the Jim Bob Duggar dumbass Cult. In observing SJ's behavior, clearly she seeks approval & at any cost. Sierra isn't clever enough to fool intelligent people such as those of us who post to this blog. Quickly, we figured out SJ's pathetic game plan & it's a lost cause going nowhere fast!

Business licenses? said...

Sba.com/Arkansas would be a good place for Sloppy Jo to check for what permits, licenses and registrations she should have gotten before selling strawberries dunked in melted chocolate chips.

I wonder what kind of insurance she carries if she got sued by someone who got sick from them.

Jamison said...

Recently someone inquired as to where is Bobbi? Bobbi is one of my cousins & during a family dinner, I mentioned someone on DWP asked about her. This Fall, Bobbi is busy preparing to enter law school. Currently she is working with the states Democratic Party to get out the Vote. Bobbi sends her regards to all bloggers at DWP.

Ellyn said...

Business Licenses.. Re an insurance plan established by Sierra aka Sloppy Jo? Don't believe that would occur to Sloppy Jo because SK Dies Not Think she just Reacts. Not Smart!

Chris said...

I think that the best things for the kids would be if the show ended. Fortunately, advertisers are dropping out because of the Josh scandals and ratings are going down because the episodes are so dull, so hopefully the show will die soon.

The family would no longer have a steady stream of income from TV, so the kids would have to work for a living. Once they realize how bad the job market when you only have a high school education, they might be allowed to online learning or community college or trade school.

The kids would be able to date/court without a million people watching, which would probably bring them better prospective partners. The people who want to date a reality TV star and have their relationship televised are quite often...um...fame whores. Also, it's really hard to break up with someone when millions of people are watching, so you're more likely to get stuck marrying the wrong person.

The kids wouldn't have to put on a show of how they're such a good conservative family and they never have problems and they're all perfectly happy with having Josh around and they all love living at home until they get married. Without the public staring at them, they might be allowed to express honest opinions. Or JB and Michelle might become even more abusive, since the public isn't keeping them accountable.

The younger kids would be able to focus more on their educations because they're not spending so much time filming. James was studying single-digit multiplication with Jill when he was 13, making him about 4 years behind in math. There was a recent photo of Jackson (11?) looking at flashcards with single-digit addition at what looked like a doctor's office. It's possible that he was incredibly bored and that was the only thing around...or that he's actually so far behind in math that he's still learning basic addition. There was an old episode, back when Joy in 6th grade, where she was stated to be studying at 4th grade level in some subject (I think it was spelling). The kids weren't getting great educations before the show started, but I think that it's gotten worse now that they spend so much time filming.

coleen said...

Jessa and Ben spoke at a modest conference on Sat.

https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/38340553/

Katie's Mom said...

Thanks Jamison for the update on Bobbi. She had written that she was waiting to hear from Law school. I had planned on answering the person who asked about her but thank you for your input.
Tell her that many bloggers miss her but I'm sure they want the best for her.She has always been insightful & fair in her comments. I appreciate all she's done for the blog but sometimes you need to say, "that's it," I have a whole life to live without the Duggars. I occasionally look at the blog but if what's written is an indication of the lives of Jill & Jessa & Counting, I know I'm not missing anything. I still firmly believe that Jim Bob & Michelle will get their faces in front of the cameras before long.
As always, my thanks to Sharla for her tireless & fair management of the blog.

Ellyn said...

Oh yes re Jessa & Ben. Anything the Duggars do Must Always Be Modest. They play the modest & purity card to death to the point in the end will bite them in the butt. Overly chaperoned rules, no hand holding till engaged, no kissing until day of wedding in the end promotes disasterous results. For example. Josh Duggar.

Meme said...

I live in NE Arkansas and overheard part of a dinnertime conversation about the Duggars today. A trio was discussing whether the family was still financially stable. The general consensus seemed to be that yes, they were probably doing "great". Interesting. Not that I was eavesdropping - my hearing is "great," too. LOL. Even in a crowded restaurant. Meanwhile, you could hear people discussing their daughter's college expenses and costs, etc. It made me wonder how it feels to be a Duggar child, knowing that your skinflint father would rather spend his millions on vehicles and planes. Or anything else. Other than a college education for his kids.

Think about it. JB must know 1,000 ways that he could get group discounts for the 19. But even if he doesn't or can't, he is still rich. How does a rich man justify this?

Many of us had parents who scrimped and sacrificed and INSISTED that we get that college degree. In Duggar speak, they "invested in us." I see a houseful of girls who fed and raised their mother's babies and cooked her meals and did her laundry. I see a father who has lived off of his children and allowed their most private moments to be filmed and shown to the world. These kids have done for their parents. But what have the parents done for THEM? Shouldn't there be some INVESTMENT in the Duggar kids?!! Somebody stop me before my left side goes numb and my face droops.

lisa magines said...

I that the duggars jim bod and michelle must have some other kind of business to support the family that they show is off the air? i know he said he owned a tower that some cell phone company rents from him. but what other way does he support the family. if know one is working and the show is canceled how does he get money. we know those small business could never support a large family like his? I am wonder if ben and jesse give money from this show to daddy?

Chris said...

Meme's words struck a chord with me. My parents put education first and started saving for college when their kids were born. They told me when I was a kid that just as adults had jobs, kids had a job and that job was school. Seeing the educational neglect the Duggar kids suffer from makes me furious.

A few potential reasons why Duggar parents don't push their kids to go to college (a 1-year program at Bible college and certification for lay midwives don't count):

- Ego. Jim Bob has a giant ego and never went to college. Maybe he doesn't want his kids to become accountants and engineers because they'll show him up.

- Control. The parents seem too inattentive to be control freaks, but they also obsessively control their children's access to the outside world and work hard at indoctrinating them, so maybe they're controlling by nature. Letting the kids go away to college, even a fundamentalist Bible college like Crown means letting them out of the house. This doesn't explain why the kids can't take online courses from a nice fundie school.

- Cost. The family certainly has more than enough money to send all their kids to at least community college, especially given how much money they spend on their trips to El Salvador (airfare would be at least $1K per person). But maybe Jim Bob just gets sticker shock when he looks at the cost of college.

- Not valuing education. Judging by the way they homeschool, the Duggars don't value education. They just don't. When you make an 18 year old with a GED teach all her siblings, when at least one of your kids (with no disabilities) is about 4 years behind in math, when education revolves around "character" instead of academics (and look how well that worked for Josh!)...you don't care about education.

Aimee said...

I find it funny that Jessa was speaking on being "fashionably" modest. On Alyssa Bates' instagram this week she and a sister were pictured looking very stylish and still modest and one comment said "please give fashion advice to the Duggars" YES!! The Bates girls look so much better with their well maintained hair, shorter skirts, t shirts, and even jeans and tank tops for Alyssa.

Cedric said...

From what I've learned, both Jim Bob & Michelle have stated that they have real estate licenses. Also, both have stated they own several rental properties. I am inclined to doubt most of what they say as often it is proven as a lie or giving viewers Breeze...

Willow said...

I place my bet with the above poster. If TLC insists on paying adults with their own paychecks, I'm sure JB insists they give a portion back to him. Who knows, he might even insist they give it all back to him. Just pure speculation, but JB has promoted his own persona so can't blame us for thinking that. Just my opinion, of course, but sure wish we had a way to find out, LOL.

Jeni said...

Jim Bob has many companies that rent space from him in warehouses, as well as the cell tower which is pretty lucrative. That gives him a steady income.

Always said...

Re: Meme's comments. I guess Jim Bob missed the part of the Bible where it says: "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to gain entrance to heaven"

Ellyn said...

From what I've learned, when Jim Bob was in high school academically, he was a very poor student. Perhaps this is one of the many reasons Jim Bob despises higher education. Clearly Jim Bob is a cult leader wanna be. JB couldn't make it with the Gothard Cult so he adopted the Gothard Cult way of life & thus, became the cult leader of his wife & kids. Jim Bob is 100% a charlaton & a narcissist. Add to that Greed is JB's motivation all the while hiding behind the ruse or guise of a "ministry" & it's not a ministry. Jim Bob is not clever or intelligent enough to fool those of us who are intelligent & who long ago, realized the incredible liar & jerk that is Jim Bob Duggar.

Leia said...

Just which Duggar kids have authentically earned a GED? The only ones of which I am aware is Josh & another boy. Haven't heard if any of the older Duggar girls have earned a GED. The only fact I've heard about the Duggar girls is they want to be midwives or dula's. These Duggar women have such low expectations about their lives. I still believe Derick definitely dumbed down when he married Jill. Jill still behaves as a 12 year old & what's tragic is that she's raising a child just a hovel mess.

Just Me said...

Re: Chris's comments I agree with everything you said, except the cost of the trips they have taken. I think they are solely out of TLC's pocket. Jim Bob would never ante up for the plane tickets, beautiful dinners they ate, their own tour bus in Europe etc.

mickey said...

Jill will probably announce a pregnancy, and Jessa, and Anna. That is all this family does. Breed. Whether it is safe or responsible or not. Sure, families where no one has a JOB, or healthcare...minor issues...just have another baby, the Lord will provide...

Questioning Sneakrative Jim Bob said...



Maybe Jim Bob wants to maintain control so the kids don't talk to the "evil" people outside and tell the truth about what does on in the tin mansion.
He looks like he is very SNEAKRATIVE.

Do you remember him at his wife's HS reunion. He acted like the little nerd being intimidated by the cool jocks.

His claim to fame is he got the pretty popular cheerleader is joyfully available to him at all times- just look at how many kids we have had!

And if he keeps her with him at all times and the kids too then nobody finds out what the real world is like. (People who lived in the depression say they didn't realize they were poor as everyone else was in the same boat. Everyone in their cult, inside the tin building have the same secrets and he wants what goes on in the tin building to stay inside the tin building.)


Jim Bob's dating service said...

Did Derick ever date anyone before he got Jim Bob to fix him up with one of his daughters? Maybe the reason Derick acted so silly and immature is because she is his first girlfriend.

too bad,so sad said...

Anonymous Strawberry Jo Dominguez-
The answer to what you asked above is because I am active on a cake website, cottage laws are often the topic. In Arkansas they allow cottage foods to be sold by the person making them directly to the customer who will consume them. No license or kitchen inspection is needed.
Personally-yuck!

Springweather said...

I read an article where the older girls were asked what kind of man they wanted to marry. Joy said something along the lines of "probably some one like our dad who always is thinking of others first." They really are blinded and it is so sad.

Auggie said...

For those who can't understand how the Duggar kids could be 'trapped' in this life style after all the exposure they've had to the mainstream world please take a look at this interview. Kristiana went to public school until she was 12. Even though she was encouraged to leave home to go to University the brain washing was so deep it took her a long, long time and the help of her fiancé to recognize that there was something unusual about her families lifestyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQy4LGUQRg

I would also encourage reading the book Quiverfull. It explained so many of the Duggar quirks to me, like the girls cutting their father or brothers' hair, etc, etc.

Watching the interview with cult survivor Kristiana Miner said...

Auggie,
Thanks for that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQy4LGUQRg

Thoughtful? said...

Springweather's comment.....joy said their dad is always thinking of others first.

That is correct. Remember when that thoughtful Jim Bobblehead told the girls he had a surprise for them....the girls were all going to go give blood.

Always putting others ahead of himself.....what a guy that Jim Bob is!

Ellyn said...

Oh I don't think so. Derick went to OK State Univ, was in a Fraternity & was OSU's Mascot. I really don't believe Derick's first girlfriend was pathetic Jill it does not make sense.

Quiana said...

Read this earlier:

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/slideshow/list/5703/facts-about-anna-duggar-before-she-married-josh/anna-before

Had no idea that Anna had 4 siblings that have moved away from the cult. Thought it was only one of her bothers! Gods this family.
Can't wait for the tell all that will come from one of the 19 years down the road.

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Idk,maybe Derick likes having a 'Dad' again,since his own passed away.Granted,JB is overly controlling,but perhaps Derick accepts that in order to feel like he has a male authority figure over him again

A good reason for it to go off tv said...

Wow! Watching that YouTube video around 24:25 or maybe it was 25:24 made me cry. So sad that they do that to these blessings from God.

It would truly be best if that show went off the air and the kids woulld have to get jobs. If they did get jobs they would be exposed to other people and maybe like the lady on the video they would learn that they can get out of that mess.

Michelle speaking from her heart? said...

Remember when Michelle made the comment something to the effect of people shouldn't watch television? It reminded me of when the young guy on Two and a Half Men spoke out and told people to not watch.

gen said...

When Michelle told people not to watch TV I can just imagine how the big heads at TLC cringe.

Oops said...

I am surprised that TLC didn't insist that not be shown when Michelle said that about people watching tv.

Chase Daniels said...

So now Joy and Sierra have been best friends forever and a day. Forget showcasing a Duggar daughter this was the Sierra show. Wow, they've really scraped the bottom of the barrel with this one.

Another pathetic attempt by Sierra Dominguez said...

So Anna was best friends with Sloppy Jo Dominguez, next it was Jessa who was and now it is Joy.

Wow Sloppy really is wonder woman.

Since I refuse to watch that show that the Duggars are on (what is it called- The Walking Dead?)....anyway, what did the flakey Sloppy Jo Dominguez pull out of her head for a baby shower this time?

We all still whoop it up about the tacky Pumpkin table. Martha Stewart she will never be. She seems more in line planning Hillbilly Ho Downs.

Cedric said...

Chase, I am boycotting J&J Counting On. There are more interesting TV programs to watch. Counting On is just a real Snooze Fest. I hope the ratings continue to drop. I always enjoyed watching Little People Big World & especially the Little Couple. Why doesn't TLC return the Roloff family to TV? Is TLC really this addle or moronic to believe the Duggars are interesting they ARE NOT!!

Leia said...

Michelle is a moron. If viewers didnt watch TV then, the Duggars wouldn't receive an income. Think Michelle before you put your mouth in gear. What an idiot.

Captain Crunch said...

My guess regarding Sloppy Jo's prominent exposure on these episodes is that perhaps the usual guest stars, The Bates, have distanced themselves from this fallen family and they needed something or someone, 'new fresh and exciting' to take thier place. Enter Sloppy Jo Dominguez. ..a new fresh faced fundie...who wants to be on t.v. so bad that she doesnt care what a trainwreck the Duggars are...

Elspeth said...

The Bates family hasn't distanced themselves from the Duggars. They are on a different network and contracts will limit how much cross over there can be between the two shows.

Whether the Roloffs return will be determined by ratings and whether TLC thinks there is anything worth filming. It appears that with the twins being married there is not much left and Amy and Matt's divorce may have impacted the desirability or even ability to reach a contract.

Chloe said...

Sierra aka Sloppy Jo the pseudo event planner. Frankly, SJ cannot plan her way out of a paper bag. Another valid reason to boycott the Duggars. Yawn!!!

SadieJ said...

Does anyone know how long you have to be on a channel/show for it to count for ratings? I ask this because last week I came home, turned the tv on and went upstairs. When I came back probably 5 minutes later I realized that it was on TLC and Counting on was on. Now I make sure when I turn the tv off in the morning that it is NOT on TLC. Just curious. I did not watch it this week since last week was snoozeville and I can catch it on Demand in 10 days and fast forward the boring parts.

Chelsea said...

I believe we're supposed to stick to discussing the Duggars/Bates, but wanted to leave a quick comment saying that I believe Little People is going to back for a new season. I follow some of the Roloffs on Instagram and they have been filming.

Drinking the Koolade said...

If the Duggars have their own home church and Jim Bob reads like he did when he had the little kids there and he did not understand it.....who is leading the family?

Second question....Where does Sloppy Jo attend church? Since she thinks she is family, does she go to their house or are there other churches in their area where they dress/act like the Duggars? From what I have read on her blog I don't think she was raised like that but is drinking the Koolade ol' Jim Bob is stirring up so she can realize her dream of being an actress and playing the parts that she does. A wedding planner! Well, she may well have planned it but I'd have been in tears if I had hired her. (My money is on her not getting paid just getting her nose on tv...kinda like getting her foot in the door but we never see her feet....Not that I want to!)

Ellen said...

The Duggars "home church" that was actually in a warehouse closed last year. They've been seen attending Cross Church which could be good for them.

Quiana said...

Although its Gawker this is a great outline of the Duggars quack religion

http://gawker.com/quiverfull-of-shit-a-guide-to-the-duggars-scary-brand-1706557073

Grandmas church said...

I was thinking that Jill got married at one church and Jessa who married after her got married at a different church. Probably both were nicer settings for a wedding than a
warehouse would be. I tbought Grandma Duggar might have been going to Cross church since they have a Valentines dinner for widows that Jill attended with her back before Jill and Derek were attached at the hip.

Andrea said...

Ellen said: "They've been seen attending Cross Church which could be good for them." I know there were some pictures of Jill leaving Cross Church after her baby was born, but is that 100% confirmed. I agree, if the Duggar's are actually attending a recognized, legitimate, established church it's great news. I just have a hard time believing JB would put his narcissism aside by allowing his family to attend any service other than one he is leading.

lisa mcginess said...

I have no proof the diggers attend the cross church but someone I think they going to that church is not really true? anyone see them there regularly and involved in the church? if so they would have their eyes opened to what kind of cult they are in?

Stephanie said...

So the new show focuses on the 18 and older kids. But it's really showing that they aren't doing anything.
Joseph must be done with school because he's on the new show.
Ben doesn't have a job
Derick is asking for donations
Josiah isn't doing anything
joy has learned to clean cars and be Sierras free help
jinger had a fake episode pretending to be in the car business
Life skills and trade skills doesn't seem to be working out for them either. John who I always kinda respected for not being a camera hog has had to really out himself on camera I suppose to help salvage the family empire. I thought he was the deputy or whatever and he didn't even mention that last week. "Somewhat of an income" what did he mean by that? He's a single grown man living at home maybe we have given him the benefit of the doubt and he's not really doing anything.

None of them have health insurance.

Joys new best friend is Sierra who is what thirty years old with five kids? Weird. Remember how Joy used to adore Amy? Amy was the outcast before and after that people magazine article I bet they will never be allowed to be around Amy again.
Anna and Amy were friends too but that for sure is over.

Why can't Jinger open her own photography studio?
Why did the producers ask the twins about their thoughts on Joy courting? Is that all the producers can ask about or was that Jimbobs idea to let the public know that Joy is available for marriage or babysitting or catering helper or car detailing. Poor Joy no school for her either. What the heck is Josiah suppose to be doing? He was practically engaged last year LOL so wasn't he supppose to be ready to support a family?
Maybe the new show is secretly the Gothard Singles marriage finder like E Harmony. It's like Jimbob is trying to advertise is single kids to the public for marriage. So far is a fail because none of them are ready for jobs and supporting families not even the three kids that ARE married can support themselves.

Sorry I wrote so much but watching the adult kids iS focusing on how they have no direction or ambition in life.

Venue said...

Maybe when you select a church as your wedding venue you should at least be attending there a couple of times before and after.

Meme said...

Stephanie, I am with you. I always thought that Michelle was SO baby crazy that her thoughts never went beyond the current infant. Both parents seemed to get an attitude whenever they were questioned about college degrees for their children. And now look at where they all are. More frightening is what seems to be happening to the newcomers. Derick, who seemed to be a man-with-a-plan, has turned into a lazy grifter like all the rest. Even what-day-is-it-and-who-am-I Ben used to work a little bit with his father. Now he does nothing.

We all remember Jim Bob grilling Derick with particularly stern questions about his ability to support Jill. Yeh, he asked a college grad that question with a straight face. This uneducated man with his uneducated daughter. And of course Little Jim Bob #1 (Josh) and Little Jim Bob #2 (John-David) got a chance to pretend to be mature men of the world and grill the guys, too. Why did they bother? NO ONE worked, is working, or will ever BE working until or unless they lose the biggest freebie they ever got: their television show.

This is who the Duggars really are - wheelers, dealers, askers, takers, grifters, give-it-to-me-free'ers. They do not appreciate. They expect. And they are really, really good at it and comfortable with it.

Cedric said...

Agreed. However since the Duggars have been on TV, they've embraced a false attitude of "pseudo celebrity". Therefore to attend a church before or after a wedding would never occur to them. They believe the pastor & staff of the church venue the chose should bow down & honor their presence. It's just so stupid & definitely Wrong on so many levels.

Jamison said...

Correct me if I am inaccurate about this subject. Re Health Care insurance & the Duggars. With the implementation of Obama Care, isn't health care now required of US Citizens? How does idiot Jim Bob circumvent this issue? Please advise.

of course.. said...

John David does not live at home. He even said he lives on own,and has his on income.He probably doesnt want to be lumped into the same category as the ones who do live at home and does nothing. He is a pilot even. Too bad more of the kids don't inspire to be more like him!

Big Sigh said...

John David actually said he has his own house and income producing jobs. He recently said he still lives in the TTH.

Cat said...

Anyone watch Bringing Up Bates? Thoughts about Ashley, Nathan's girlfriend, reminds me of Amy

Meme said...

Wow, thanks you guys (of course and big sigh) I did not realize that John David is living on his own! I am not currently watching the show. You do have to give props to John as he does seem to be a smart guy and all around handy man - I recall him being a lot handier than his daddy. Good for him.

Carole said...

The alternative is paying a tax penalty for not having insurance. $700 per person this year and it will keep going up though I don't know what it maxes out to. It will eventually be less expensive to just get the insurance.

Cedric said...

What an incredible, abusive & narcissistic jerk is Jim Bob preventing John David from living his adult life out on his own. They only way JD can move into his house is if he marries. Jim Bob such a dumbass what a creep!

Ellen said...

John David has said he isn't living on his own, so there is that.

The Duggars may still be buying health insurance on their own or may be getting it through TLC. We can't easily assume they have no insurance.

Insurance for a mob said...

Jim Bob probably did his wheeling and dealing with TLC to get them to pay for insurance for each of the "stars".
I can just imagine him getting that ugly "monkey face" smile and rubbing his greedy hands together.

Perky said...

I think JB probably got TLC to pay the insurance as one of the bazillion perks he got for reminding Nancy Daniels and her ilk that they were the #1 show on TLC.

sandi said...

I believe there is a religious exemption for Obamacare;of course that doesn't mean the Duggars took it.If they sign up for one of the programs like Samaritan Ministries,which is a medical sharing program,they can be exempt through that

Anonymous said...

I like Ashley. Her family is fundy-soft. The girls are enthusiastic and organic. The mother also seemed very natural. Both Nathan and Ashley were much more affectionate than any Duggar we've seen, and this was PRE courtship. I think of all the fundies associated with the Duggar's and Gothard, Nathan did well. I think they are truly in love. Two very different people, Christians and a real attraction present. Good for Nathan for calling her his girlfriend and obviously doing things his way. Being a Christian and saving sex for marriage is not a bad thing. I am not judging Nathan Bates on anything associated with the Duggar's.

Mary

Anonymous said...

Yes, the Duggar's are attending Cross Church/Fayetteville. The adult children are active in Bible studies and small home groups. Ben and Jessa are involved in a young married class. So were Jill and Derrick. All evidence points that they are no longer home churching. Cross Church is a mega church with 2 branches in NWA. It is a Baptist church and pretty hard core.

John David DOES work. He is an independent worker clearing old properties/demo work for Arvest bank. He also flies some local (semi-big wigs) around. I don't think it's fair to lump JD into the category of not working.

Mary

Chris said...

So...the scene where Jinger (her brothers, actually) was completely staged: http://www.inquisitr.com/2952974/jinger-duggar-car-sale-faked-for-jill-jessa-counting-on-duggars-have-staged-scenes-before/

Not as bad as pretending to donate food to needy families, but...still...JimBob and Michelle, you're teaching your kids that it's perfectly fine to lie to get yourself a paycheck. You're being terrible Christians -- remember the part where the Bible condemns lying? -- and abominable parents.

I feel so sorry for those kids. What an incredibly screwed up, cult-like environment. If Arkansas required homeschoolers to take state tests, I think it would help, because a lot of the kids would be sent to public school because they're learning so little at SOTDRT. Then they'd get an actual education and be exposed to other people.

Dawn Whipple said...

I can't believe the official 19 kids and Counting web site has a video of Mr. and Mrs. Humping at the mini golf park. Don't they realize how inappropriate that is. Are they clueless that no one wants to see that. I would be so embarrassed.

Chloe said...

Dawn, Re JB & M dry humping at the miniature golf course. Well, one just can't fix STUPID!

Susie said...

John David still lives in the Tinker Toy House. His sisters do his laundry. His sisters feed him and clean his toilet for him. He sleeps with the children in the dorm room he is assigned to.

Pathetic.

Not buying what Jim Bob tries to sell. said...

John-David is 26. how many kids did ol Jim Bob have by that age? Jim Boob married at 19, as soon as he was out of High school.

He sure does keep control of his little kingdom.

I have to wonder if that was why Derek wanted to get away from JB.

Aunt Bea said...

John David is the mirror image of a "child/adult" of Jana. At least JD is allowed to actually work. Jana isn't afforded that ability to grow even in that way. Except for being able to drive, her life hasn't changed one bit since she was a 12 year old girl. So sad that these people suffocate the life out of their children, many of whom are adults. IMO, the Duggars frown on dancing, and most everything else outside of praying because they have dirty minds. They associate everything with sex. Well adjusted people, of all kinds, just don't do that.

mickey said...

Ugh! Honestly, that just demonstrated his disrespect for Michelle. And dominance. Dogs who do that get immediately corrected in this house.

Derek and Ben should dry hump their wives now in front of Jimboob. A threesome golf match with dry humping at every opportunity.

Ruby said...

Mickey, I think both Derick and Ben respect their wives and themselves enough not to do any dry humping in public. Jim Bob is a sex-obsessed fool and the very definition of a false teacher.

Cedric said...

Ruby, You definitely nailed the personality of narcissistic, depraved, sick, abusive, uneducated & creepy Jim Bob Duggar who is absolutely a wolf in sheep's clothing & his message is not nor will ever be a ministry. It's clearly a friggin CULT!

Cindy said...

I really like Ashley. She's a hoot! She and Nathan are so adorable together. They love one another so much! I also love that she's from NYC. She'll bring more fun into an already fun family!

Rudy Tecat said...

The Bates kids seem to get really good spouses (with jobs, futures, skills, senses of humor, brains, etc). The Duggar kids... Anna, Derick and Benjerman. 'Nuff said.

Jeanette said...

One thing I don't like is the way the Duggar boys always puff up and talk about defending the virtue of their sisters when a guy comes calling. I find this very off-putting. This can work both ways and they may receive the same ill treatment should they ever decide to pursue a young woman.

Sunnyday said...

This family has no morals. They are trying to stay relevant to remain on tv so they sink to levels like the "dry humping" so their "fans" will keep watching what else they might do. Everything they put out on social media is done because they is cause for controversy, i.e. Spurgeon strapped in to his car seat while napping, Israel near light sockets. I'm not saying that they aren't ignorant on raising children, but after so much criticism for simple posts that both Jill and jessa put out there one has to wonder. Normal people would stop posting on social media to avoid the backlash.

Weasel said...

Someone asked how Sierra met the Duggars. They ran into them at Walmart and her husband told them that his goofy wife was a big fan so they invited her over. ( I betcha she showed up with messy strawberries with their names on them...and the Tater Tot family having never seen anything like it were easily impressed and thought she was the most wonderful thing. I mean how often could Jessa get something "personalized"?

Anyway, this was when Sierra Jo Baird Dominiguez started dressing like them and started cranking out babies.

Next thing Sierra has weaseled her way on to
19 Kids and Counting And now Counting On and On

Neurotic said...

Back home in Carthage, MO the opinion of some who knew Sierra Baird Dominiguez was that she was neurotic.

Andrea said...

Guess who's back?! Jill posted a photo of a milk shake at Chick-fil-a in Fayetteville. How long was she gone this time folks? 6 months max? Gosh you don't think she came back to America because she's pregnant?

Quiana said...

Speaking about the duggars having insurance don't they get it because jim bobby was a state rep?

Elspeth said...

Speaking about the duggars having insurance don't they get it because jim bobby was a state rep?

No, that's a story that began years ago without any foundation.

Oh, good grief! said...


She posted a picture of a milk shake. Well, isn't that earth shattering!

Maybe Jilly Bumpkin is back to do some filming.

It was so nice not having to see her for awhile.

Just my thoughts said...

Andrea, that was Jessa that posted the milkshake not Jill. Why would Cathy have gone to Central America for Israel's birthday if they were coming back. I think Jill is still in Central America.

Stephanie said...

Even if that were true it would t cover the adult kids anyway.
How did Ben pay Jessaa hospital bill? Spurgeon (I hate myself for having to type that stupid name) needs checkups and shots these first two years and if memory serves I spent half my life as a young mother at the pediatrician office with endless ear infections and strep throat. The visits and lab work add up.

Sharla said...

Please no one bring up again the false story that Jim Bob has lifetime health insurance from his time in the state legislature.

Stephanie said...

Oh Jeanette you just verbalized something that I never could. Those sissy boys who have never even stepped foot into a school have never even faced another man their own age in friendship, or a sports teammate or facing up to the school bully. They plan to face a man and act like the tough guy is laughable. They couldn't even protect those girls from Josh.

Andrea said...

I think it's safe to say, that in light of the fact the Jim Bob is a business owner, he likely has a group policy for his entire family and miscellaneous employees. Every child born is just added to the policy. Essentially, he treats his entire family as company employees.

Andrea said...

I swear, that Jill posted the photo of the milkshake and now I see it's posted to Jessa's feed. I think it may have been a PR person's error. We assume that Jill and Jessa controlled there instagram feeds, but actually would it surprise anyone that Jim Bob or a member of his staff is actually populating their instagram and twitter feeds? Some confirm or dispute?

Someday in the future. said...

I wonder if someday when the kids are out on their own...well, like Josh was, where he could look at the internet.... do you think they will look at the episodes, to see what they looked like "back then"?

Imagine the shock/disgust when they see the mini golf episode.

Partygirl said...

Andrea....maybe TLC has hired a social media strategist to keep the Duggars/Dillards/Seewalds out there on Instagram/Twitter/Facebook etc.

They were a bit socially backward, coming "late to the party" but the moment they got engaged they were experts on social media.

Social Media assistants are sort of quietly becoming BIG business. (I noticed Honey Boo Boo's facebook seemed more well done than I expected and I suspected then that they might have some "help".

laura said...

Jeanette's comment about the duggar boys puffing up about their sister's virtue.

It is quite disgusting that they put poor bin and Derick through the ringer with stupid chores that they will never do after marriage to test them.
It is the nature of their character, personality and beliefs(other than God and the Extensive List of what they are Not Allowed To Do or think life) that should have been explored.
True depth and philosophy not being something these people are capable of.
Belief in God is not 100% of who ANYONE is. They do not 'walk through' haha his path, they live and act nothing like how a Good True Christian lives.

Back to my point of how the duggar boys are protecting nothing and they are very selfish siblings if they think it is OK for their sisters to the lives they do, banned from ANYTHING that requires higher thinking, learning or Anything other than cleaning, child-rearing and following ignaramus controlling parents. And sports, yoga, music, real museums? I detest the them for denying their children the experience of LIFE, of humanity, of themselves.
On a side note, the girls have hem lengths required on skirts but are allowed to show ankles and feet(think the last 3 thousand years of female dress code, the neck and bare arms all the way to the shoulder and tons of makeup, and show extreme vanity with hair? Or what about the times when married women would put their hair up for life? Correct me if I'm wrong but these are all areas that can stimulate uhh, impure thoughts.
Arbitration. Sure is tricky huh?

Another question- the adult children all have cell phones.
Are all accounts controlled by dim bulb? What kind of teenaged and young men like bin and Derrick would allow a FIL to control their internet access?
If Jill and jessa have IG accounts, they will have access to all things on IG, MANY impure things. Is is possible to control access to only a few certain websites or self-control what they view? I do not see the adult children paying their own bills with their own money.
They seem to possess enough vanity to explore what people and websites are saying about them.

Also-it was okay to shove Josh's bad decisions down a hole and forgive him but oh once the crap hit the fan he's the frickin devil? Like josh is the ONLY reason that no one would like them?
I think their lifelong nutrient free diet has shriveled their brains permanently. They created this mess. Josh is a sick,sad product of his trainwreck hill billy I can't even call them parents. I even feel sorry josh-product-of-a-sick-cult. He will never receive proper help. He has a bad taboo over him for life. He never had a chance. He will never have to right poeple around him. Who knows WHAT happened before TLC came along. Pray for his children's safety. This is dim bulb and moochelle's fault one hundred percent.

Is this some big huge joke on us? Like HG Wells or something?

Poor John-David.



Melissa said...

Re: Meme's comment about Jim Bob grilling Derick, about if he would be able to support Jill? Even at that time it was absolutely ridiculous. It was even more so, when Ben came along as a teen-ager & was never asked if he could support Jessa. I believe it was just Jim Bob, using his own inflated ego with Derick, because here was this college educated man coming into the family & Jim Bob had to let him know that a college degree means nothing to him.

Lisa mcginess said...

now i realize why a lot of people support this family. they all live down south? everyone in the south is the bible belt of america? I am from up north and it is so different from the south? I went down south near little rock this past weekend and everyone down their reminds me of the duggars> so I can somehow understand why they would support this family and see them as real christians?

Stephanie said...

Andrea
That's the best guess regarding health insurance I have seen. They could have some type of corporation/business with some type of business insurance for adults and their families.

Why don't reports/journalist/interviewers ever ask about this or where is the kids money? All of the children have worked on TV for ten years on a successful tv show. Where is their money?
Jon and Kate Gosseling were asked all the time about money for their kids why does no one ask Jimbob about his kids money?

I think he would keep the kids money and the adult girls money. Certainly Josh made more money (that Anna has no control over). Since Josh has been in the big house, and Anna has been working on tv, does Jimbob keep her money?
Did Derick and Ben get a dowry of the money Jessa and Jill earned the past ten years?
Where is the kids money? How exactly do they have health insurance? Why is this a secret that is never addressed and never asked?

Huge pet peeve of mine and have asked for years.

InVA said...

I really like Ashley (Nathan Bates' girlfriend). She could be the yin to his yang, which often works! My only concern is that they come from such completely opposite worlds (Tennessee vs. the Bronx), and if they do end up getting married, how will she handle going from a city that she loves to a much slower pace of life.

I love how the Bates kids are allowed to hug (front hugs!), hold hands before courting, and to show affection!

I know that they are in the same crazy Gothard cult but I just see so much love in that family. Genuine love and affection and appreciation for each other. I don't see that with the Duggars. I see the Kelly and Gil wanting their kids to have full, enriched adult lives and truly enjoying the time that they have with their kids. I don't see that with the Duggars.

I get the creep factor watching the Duggars and walk away happy having watched Bringing Up Bates. I wish them all well.

Stephanie said...

One more thing regarding health insurance.
Is it possible that Discovery/TLC provide any health benefits that they as employees/on camera talent, could sign up for? (Yes I used the word talent loosely)
Are they considered employees? If so, when the old show was officially cancelled they would no longer be covered?
I still think Andrea has the best theory that Jimbob has a corporation or business policy. But what's the secret?

Danielle Blackburn said...

Uh, they all have GEDs..

Chris said...

On Ashley: Ashley's family is pretty fundy, according to some blog posts she made a while back that were all about trying to be a good helpmeet and learning how to be a good housewife because women should be in the home. They also homeschool. However, some of her siblings are adopted, so they're probably not IBLP (Gothard hates adoption).

Duggar education: Josh has a GED. Jana (or Jill, but some people think Jana) was studying for her GED at the time of the police investigation because it's mentioned in her interview. The parents' book, I think, mentioned that Jill got her GED before graduating high school. I expect that all the older kids have GEDs, since JimBob and Michelle can't hate their kids enough to leave them without any sort of academic credentials. I don't know if getting a GED is a strict requirement for graduating from the Duggar homeschool -- Arkansas law doesn't require it of homeschoolers.

As for the younger teenagers (Josiah on down), I don't know. They were much younger when the show started and I think the show really disrupted the kids' educations. Did they get to see much more of the world because of the show? Yes, but it also meant that they were probably spending much less time doing math and reading than before. James seriously needs to be in public school or working with a professional tutor, because he's probably a good four years behind in math and he wasn't exactly an early reader. Joseph, thank goodness, did a year-long program at a (provisionally-accredited heavily fundamentalist) college, so I assume that he was able to pass the GED exam. Joseph and Josiah don't seem to be doing too much in terms of a career path -- IIRC, Josiah is working for his father cleaning up houses and Joseph is doing the same. I'm not sure if Joy-Anna and the twins have gotten their GEDs or graduated yet.

Duggar Health Insurance: Some healthcare policies charge a flat rate for families, since kids are cheap to insure. Infants and toddlers go to the doctor pretty often (ear infections, immunizations, fevers, etc), but once they grow out of that stage, children have pretty low medical expenses compared to adults. It's possible that the Duggars have one of those family policies. Since kids under 26 can go on their parent's insurance, that plan would include most of the kids. The family might be covered through TLC, as part of their contract.

Humble Pie said...

How does anyone know they all have their GED? When one of them received their GED, I believe it was Joe, they had a huge party to celebrate. It was at that time that Michelle said that she took some of the kids to sit for their GED, IF SHE HAD THE TIME! She also stated that the older ones had finished their schooling at age 16, but not all of them had a GED. Where is the information that they now all have a GED? I'd like to see it in print, although it could be another case of what they say & what they actually do are two different things. I personally don't believe that all of the kids that have finished their schooling, such as it is,have their GED. I also don't believe that the younger ones like James could pass a GED exam. That kid could never even find the books he was supposed to be studying out of. Sorry to offend anyone, but it's just my humble opinion.

Just Me said...

When it comes to the Duggars I don't think you ever truly know what's true, & what's not. I just read on Michelle's blog a question where someone asked if the Dugars dated. Michelle answered, yes of course they do. She & Jim Bob make it a point to go out to dinner, or even just a quick lunch, or coffee every week without fail. I truly believe the person asking the question was asking about the kids dating & not Jim Bob & Michelle. But that was the answer they received

Can't Believe IT said...

I just read that the homeschooled kids receive a "Homeschool High School Diploma," when they pass the homeschool test, in AR. A GED is not required in AR. I find that just unbelievable. I live in a state with many Ivy League Colleges, so the thought of a state not even requiring kids that are homeschooled receive a GED is just unbelievable to me!

Wondering Why said...

Chris, you're absolutely correct that James desperately needs a tutor & probably some special schooling. However there are a number of those boys that definitely have ADD & I don't believe they are receiving any help with their education. I also believe the show has more than disrupted the kids schooling, it's destroyed it. Michelle believes they can learn everything they need in life, by life experiences i.e. all the traveling they do.I just think Michelle & Jim Bob feel they have such complete control over their family, that they will teach them what they think is required for a full life & that's it. The rest they learn from all the expert trade people that Jim Bob brings in for a day & uses them to teach the kids various projects. We watched them do that many time, how to cut tile & tile a floor, etc. Both the girls & boys are involved in those projects. They use friends but not professional teachers for musical instruments & on & on. That's the Duggar way.Of course, for the girls it goes without saying, they learn what needs to be done to keep house & do childcare on their own out of necessity.

Michelle said...

Lisa Mcginess, Not all Southerners are like the Duggars. I have lived in the South all my life and think they are an embarrassment. Even though I do share some of the Duggar's beliefs minus the chaperones, only side hugging, only skirt wearing, and no education keeping adults at home, I think they need to go away and get real jobs and reflect on how their oppressive ways help create Josh's issues.

The Looking Glass said...

Chris, I don't think it's a case of Michelle & Jim Bob hating their children so much, that they would leave them without any sort of academic credentials. It's just that they are sure they know what their kids need for their role in life & that's it. We all know how they feel about college being a waste of time & money but those kids are so well insulated within that family, they are sure everything they need they will be provided & they don't need anyone from outside the family telling them what kind of education is necessary in this day & age. After all,look at the position Josh was able to achieve in DC. Now most of us wouldn't be too happy that our kid was working for a hate group, but he was exactly where Jim Bob wanted him to be. The FRC group got the Duggar PR machine, in exchange for passing over qualified employees, & giving Josh the job as, "Executive Director." I remember he had his GED hanging on the wall in his office. That was all he had to qualify him for that job. Oh, except for bringing his entire family to DC when needed.

Dating, my eye! said...

How stupid. Michelle thinks she is dating Jim Blob?

Those freaking pictures of her and him sucking on straws sticking out of the same glass gagged me.

Then Jilly Bumpkin and Derek posed the same idiotic way.

dating 1950s style

Roo Doo said...

I scratch my head about the Duggar social media practice. If they are actually handling their own accounts, do they actually read what's written in the comments? I've seen some pretty derogatory stuff on there...borderline profane. It's never deleted. And I have never seen a response to a comment from any of them. It's like they post pics of themselves and never go back. Any questions/comments are handled by their minions. I mean FANS...

Meme said...

Lisa: Girl, NO! As in no, no, no! The Duggars are a fundy family. Completely separate from being a southerner. I was also in Little Rock recently and I saw NO ONE who dressed, talked or otherwise acted like the Duggars so I'm not sure what you're referring to there. People in the South are just like everyone, some are educated and some are not - and I don't really know what else to say about the issue.

I truly don't (personally) know anyone who approves of the Duggars. And I live in Arkansas.

Just Me said...

Reading about how Jim Bob brings in various trades people under the guise of doing a job for him, but he really want those skilled people to teach his kids, so he's getting his monies worth. It reminded me that about a month ago a neighbor of mine, a woman in her fifties asked me over to see the new tiling she had done in her kitchen. What a beautiful job she did with the backsplash. I just loved it & said I didn't know she knew how to do tiling. She said "oh it was easy, I took a 3 hr. class for free at Home Depot." Now why can't Jim Bob take advantage of these classes that they give, on almost any home project & they are free. Did you hear that Jim Bob they are free!!

Denisean said...

Re: GED's and being "required" by the state.... No state "requires" GED's or high school diplomas. A child who attends regular public or private high school can legally drop out at age 16 or 17, without the parents being held responsible (lack of education is child abuse). But it is not *required* anywhere by any state or board of education or whatever- how can it be? If you want to drop out of school at 16 and do a manual labor job that doesn't require a HS diploma or GED, no one can force you to get one. Or if a girl wants to get married at 18 and have babies, why would she be required to get a GED? Jobs require it, college requires it, but *life* doesn't. I'm not saying it's a smart decision, but no one can force you get one, at least there is no current law on the books right now that does. Let us not forget, they are living like Little House on the Prairie- so the girls will cook, clean, and be mommas, and the boys will work the mill or whatever. So they don't care about education. (By the by, my father in law dropped out of school in 8th grade because he had to work to support his family cause his dad took off. He went on to start a business fixing cars, and all he had was an 8th grade education. And no one required he get a GED to have their car fixed or get a DBA for his business. My point is, you can live without one, but you gotta have a lot of street-smarts and sacrifice and hard work- none of which the Duggar boys have.)

Robin said...

A lot of states do not require homeschoolers get a GED. Here in PA we can get a GED, have a parent issued diploma or go through a diploma program. It is rare for homeschoolers to get a GED here.

Chris said...

Just Me said "When it comes to the Duggars I don't think you ever truly know what's true, & what's not." That is so very true. Sometimes they omit things, sometimes they stretch the truth, and sometimes they tell lies that are so utterly ridiculous that only gullible fans believe them *cough*Megyn Kelly interview*cough*.

Denisean, your comment raised an interesting point. Back fifty years ago, you didn't strictly need even a high school education to make a living, as long as you got some sort of trade education. There were even plenty of factory jobs then -- not jobs that paid a lot, but enough that you could support yourself. Most of those jobs have disappeared because factories have mostly been automated. And since the majority of high school students graduate and college has become a rite of passage for middle-class youth, it's very hard to get a job that pays above minimum wage unless you have at least a high school diploma.

For most white collar jobs, it's difficult to get a job without a college degree (even if your degree has nothing to do with the job) unless you have a lot of experience in the field (like computer programmers who started as hobbyists years ago) or very good connections. It's not because the job necessarily requires a diploma, but rather because there are so many applicants who have diplomas that the recruiter will just screen out the applicants without diplomas because it's easier than taking the time to interview them.

If not for his fame, Josh wouldn't have gotten his job at the FRC. If he'd just been a normal guy, he would have needed a college degree and several years of experience in lobbying to even get an interview for that job. The problem is that Jim Bob and Michelle grew up during a time when a diploma wasn't required to get your foot in the door. They don't value education for the sake of education and they don't realize that their kids aren't going to be able to support a family unless they capitalize on their fame and sell a tell-all book, start their own business and actually succeed at it (unlike Josh), or get an education. I really wish that the Duggars weren't such cheapskates and would send the boys to trade schools (which aren't even that expensive) because while the kids may have learned how to learn tile from family friends, no one's going to pay them to remodel their home without some sort of a certificate from a trade school when there are so many trade schools graduates out there. The economy and hiring has changed so much since Jim Bob and Michelle were growing up and they don't realize it.

Just ME said...

Re:Dating My eye's comment. Michelle has always said that she & Jim Bob made time every week to have a date. Whether it was out to dinner,lunch or just coffee together. She always referred to it as a "date with Jim Bob." She makes sure they have that time together just to talk. As I mentioned, I am sure the person that asked the question about whether the Duggrs dated was not really asking about Michelle & Jim Bob, they really wanted to know if the kids dated. Of course, the kids don't date, they court & go on chaperoned dates, once they start courting. Apparently even with a family the size they have, they are only thinking about themselves when asked a question like that one.

Rudy Tecat said...

Oh, that reality tv denial! So Nathan Bates and Ashley take a buggy ride through Central Park, and Lawson gets all upset about how they're going alone, just the two of them, so they make that strange buggy driver promise to keep an eye on them. Come on, people! Admit that there will be a camera operator with you the whole time, pointing that camera at you!

Denisean said...

Chris, I agree with everything you said. But the Duggar boys are not getting white-collar jobs. JimBob couldn't care less for them to be a banker or lawyer or anything-that would be a waste of money, according to them. Again, they are living somewhat like it's 100 years ago, so if the boys can do some carpentry and the women make babies, that is all they need, in their eyes. They will prob get real estate licenses, and maybe not even then cause they will just take over JimBob's properties. They could make a living buying rental properties. I have a family member that didn't want to work anymore, so he buys rental properties and manages them and he can fix them up here and there with no formal training- it can be done. But again, hard work, sacrifice, a little street smarts- not something the Duggars possess.

They are never going to do anything that requires real education. Anyway, my point was, the state doesn't require GED's. That is a personal choice to get one or not. Frankly, if I was a Duggar girl, why would I bother studying and working for that, for nothing? Just to raise babies- why bother. They will always have a husband, father, brother to take care of them and tell them what to do. They won't even manage household finances or balance a checkbook or pay bills, like many housewives do- the husbands do all that stuff.

lisa mcginess said...

what I mean is that they do believe the duggars are real christians and are deep in their faith like the duggars?. No they are not all fuddies and have 20 kids and wear skits. but they do not see anything wrong with the duggars and want the show on the air. they think this family is the best show on tv and support them 100 precent? i am a bible believe Christian and I can see right through this family but seeing the Christian in the south they think this family is just high raking and just like royalty. sorry to offend anyone that lives in the south? But from what I heard and saw I really think it is true?

Meme said...

Lisa M: No offense taken at all. But again, we LAUGH at the Duggars here. I will admit that I was once a fan in the beginning. I bought it when Jim Bob and Michelle stated that they wanted to raise a family who put God first. They appeared to be teaching those kids to have the "servant's hearts" and it was completely charming. They just blew Hollywood away. I thought, "good for them." And as I am a Christian and an Arkansan, I was taken in somewhat. But the molestation info was too much. Completely disgusting. Believe me, they are not seen as royalty. In my job I travel all over the state and , believe it or not, there are those who do not even know of the Duggars now. Then someone will say, " you know, the lady with all the kids, they had a t.v. show for awhile."

There may be a small segment of society who believe as the Duggars do, but that group is not confined to the South. I am sure that these folks DO regard the Duggars as royalty, like you said. They make up the scary fan base that persists for whatever crazy reason. And Lisa, you are right, the Duggars do NOT act like Christians! With you all the way!

Jeanette said...

The Duggars DO have a deep faith, but unfortunately it's warped because they see everything through Bill Gothard's eyes. Things make such better sense now that the truth is coming out. I really believe Gothard either hates or at the very least deeply resents women. He wasn't allowed to marry the woman he loved because his mother said no. I believe he was in his 50s. Why, as a man, he felt he couldn't discern whom to marry without Mom is beyond me. So now we know that Bill was having very lustful struggles that he couldn't "righteously satisfy", so he sexually harassed young women who were on his turf away from their families. I think he's mad at himself and deflects that by teaching that women "defraud" men with their dress rather than owning up to his problem. And now his ministry is imploding. And the younger Bates and hopefully the Duggar kids will walk away. The youngest children won't even know attending the seminars as there aren't any scheduled for the foreseeable future. The fact that Ben and Jessa visited a rapper shows me that they control the content of their show as this music is seen as deeply sinful. Or JimBob is compromising his beliefs.

Anything for ratings but don't muss my Hairdo said...

Maybe Jim Bob had some control over the scripts but after the scandal and he went groveling to TLC they agreed as long as TLC told them what to do to look even more stupid. Of course, Dumb Bob would counter back that they had Carte Blanche with everyone except him and he must always be shown in the best light with his hair all pretty looking.

He knows toilet births, Josies poop accident, her seizure, nasty stained mattresses and dry humping to humiliate your wife gets higher ratings.

Everyone put on a big fake smile for the camera. said...

When Derick and Jill were first married and did the interviews she would always cut him off. She was used to being extremely bossy with her siblings. He only had one brother and wasn't used to bossing anyone. He is supposed to be the leader but she found a way to "wear the pants" afterall and maybe that is part of why he looks beaten.

Ditto Ben...
He is younger than his wife and she has more years of living on him so maybe by marrying she knew she would be free of Jim Bob telling her what to do and she could easily be the boss over a younger, more immature boy. That would be depressing to anyone.

coleen said...

per " Jeanette said...
Things make such better sense now that the truth is coming out. I really believe Gothard either hates or at the very least deeply resents women. He wasn't allowed to marry the woman he loved because his mother said no. I believe he was in his 50s."

This is so sad. I wonder why some parents feel the need to control the lives of their adult children. I think it's because the parents are unhappy and "misery loves company".

As a matter of a fact... said...

I know a woman who is in her mid 40's and her potential mate has to be parent approved. Needless to say, she is still single. Which is so sad, she would of been a fantastic wife/mother. I know these parents only wants best for their kids, but come on they are adults! I wish they would realize, they(parents),can't live forever, and that they have set their daughter up to be alone. I do think they only wanted what was best for their kid, but her life is half over now and may never know or experience things she very easily could have. Parents that control adult kids, is definitely a cult!! An adult is an adult. Let them grow up! If they truly believe in God, they should know He will never lead them astray. If they believe this, why does their parents act as if they are God and control their life?

Wondering said...

Re: Everyone put on a big fake smile for the camera's comments. When it comes to Derick, he was a college graduate & was old enough to realize what he was getting into, especially since he & Jim Bob had been buddy's,(prayer partners) for over a yr. I think Ben's dad was just like Mr. Keller, just couldn't wait to have his kid in the Duggar clan. Mr. Keller always looked like the cat that swallowed the canary when Anna became engaged to Josh. By the same token, although we didn't see as much, I believe that Ben's dad was just as anxious for his son to be a member of that family. I too don't believe that Ben's mom was all that anxious for her son to marry at that age & I'll always remember the look of shock on her face when Michelle informed her that she could be a grandmother within a yr.

life of their own.. said...

I just read on another post, John David owns his own house but Jim Bob told him he cannot move in it until he gets married.
Why are adults allowed to control Adult children?? Honestly, this is depriving them of a LIFE. There should be some sort of law against this!! It is almost like being held hostage. Especially emotionally. They know if they do their own thing and rebel they will be dishonoring their father and this goes against the ten commandments. Why can't these parents give them their blessing to do as they wish? Honor God but go live. Jesus didn't marry and lived on his own. If they have faith and want to do his work, why can't a Duggar do the same?

Meme said...

Wow, Jeanette, I had no IDEA about Bill Gothard's psycho mother! Lady, I believe that you hit the nail dead on its head. A lot of insight. It explains so much about the Gothard-approved lifestyle, doesn't it, esp. the part about women being such temptresses? Wooooo-Weeeee! I'm not calling the Razorback Hogs here, just expressin' my shock!

My Goodness, what is WITH this world full of control freaks? There are so MANY, have you folks noticed? Unless you want Josh Duggar or Bill Gothard for a son, let your children live and breathe, for pete's sake.

Train wreck said...

Wasn't Ben's sister on the outs after she had the utter audacity to be excited and brag that she was an aunt, instead of the Duggars collect another huge paycheck from People for having the scoop?

Way to go Jessica Seewald. Come sit by us and we will share our popcorn astogether we watch this train wreck finish.

s said...

So Ben was spotted at a rap concert. Where was Jessa?

life of their own.. said...

What rap concert was it??

Regarding brainwashing parents, that is just it. Those children are born into and let's face it, have no way out. They learn to have their father, mostly, do the thinking for them. They cannot make a decision on their own, they are not permitted to. I call bs on that storyline where they are making a decision regarding the treehouse. You know darn well it is ultimately Jim Bob's decision. They would never be allowed to do that!

Jeanette said...

Yes, I have head it was his mother who refused to let him marry, but when I looked it up on the internet this morning, a commenter on the website religionnews.com said it was his father and he was 60 not allowing him to marry.Either way, that is what I've heard about his past.

Meme said...

I promise this to be my last post of the weekend but I've been thinking about Michelle a lot lately. I think it has to do with Jill and Jessa not yet being pregnant again. I wonder if birth control is being used by Derick and Ben. Anyway, Michelle's madness (unlimited pregnancies) seems to have finally come to an end. And you wonder if she ever looks upon her remaining children and realizes what she has missed. There is NO WAY that she was able to enjoy those children. Except for Josie, I never saw her being "motherly" towards any of the kids. I believe that she loves them but she just sort of lumps them all together when referring to them. Never do you hear her talk about them individually, at least not in specific terms. For example, she might say, "the girls are making pretty posters for Jackson's birthday party." Instead of, "Jinger's so artistic that she can draw the most intricate designs and make the best posters for the party." I wonder how well she knows her children.

Also, you rarely saw the little kids "bother" her for anything. The sister-mamas are always on duty, aren't they? And they have even restructured the buddy system a couple of times. First, buddy pairs. Then it was buddy GROUPS. Now we have Josh, Jill and Jessa out of the picture so things had to be adjusted again. Of course there's no baby now. So where is Michelle's buddy? And who is In J Bob's new group? Guys, have you ever seen a couple of parents like this? Usually, if a couple has a large group of children, they are people who really seem to like and enjoy kids in general. Does Michelle Duggar strike you that way? I have always been disturbed by the lack of physical contact, too. How can she be constantly kissing and hand-holding with her husband, yet never touching her kids? She's so cold with a "leave me alone always" air about her, except for when she's dry humping with Jim Bob. WHY would you have all those children if you felt that way? For someone who always talked about women needing to be "lovin' on that husband and lovin' on those kids", she sure doesn't realize how unloving and uncaring she appears. I don't know what makes Michelle Duggar tick but it is NOT those ignored sons and daughters, no matter how many there are. I am done now. Sorry.

Control Daddy said...

At 26 John David is not allowedto move out because Control Daddy won't allow it. Is that so Jim Bob can keep all money paid To John David by TLC? He can make sure JohnDavid doesn't accidentally make eye contact with some lady with stylish hair, wearing jeans and using her college education.

Sharon said...

I have thought that the difficult birth experiences that Jill and Jessa had may have impacted them more than Michelle and Jim Bob's lectures on quiverful. It was definitely not as easy as Michelle lead them to believe and expect and was in fact rather scary. They may both be thinking I don't want to do that again either ever or real soon. They can just tell the nosy parents that oh well no not pregnant again yet.

Not a follower said...

I betcha you are right about the birth control.

No matter how much a parent tries to drill something into a child's head so when they are on their own they do it. How many of us did not do exactly as our parents taught
us?

Elspeth said...

How many of us have gone to a doctor and gotten advice and acted on it without a thought of what our parents would think but it didn't matter because we weren't ever going to tell them? Both Jessa and Jill got the doctor who was there who may likely have had no interest in quiverful philosophy and told them both real life facts. Perhaps they were also told about patient confidentiality and that their fertility was not their parents' business.

Cindy said...

I have been thinking about Jim Bob being a control freak. I'm a Christian and husbands are suppose to be the SPIRITUAL leader of the family...teaching and guiding your children in the Lord. In no way does the Bible say that men are to be control freaks to their young or adult children. Jim Bob is going to have some 'splaining to do with Jesus...jmho

Anna is not responsible for Josh's sins said...

Meme,JB doesn't have his own group.He said on '14 Kids and Pregnant Again',that Michelle was his buddy,and that's it.All he has to do is look after her.
Michelle said the newest baby is her buddy,but I don't recall if she said JB was,too,or not

coleen said...

The video of Ben at the concert is from Krista G. Her instagram is private but the link is on life is not all pickles...
Krista G is a friend of the Duggars and is in some of their instagram pics. It was a Lecrae concert.

gen said...

Ben was at a concert with a woman who is not his wife or sister? How in the world is that JB approved? But I do see the rap concert as some sort of improvement. Welcome to the 21st Century Duggars. Better buckle your seat belts, the landing is gonna be rough.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Jim Bob is probably pulling out his thinning hair over Ben going to a Lecrae concert. Jessa is probably mortified wondering who in the world she married?! Wow, Ben the new age Duggar. Will they embrace him or shun him?

mickey said...

Both of them ended up with emergency C-sections, it wouldn't even be safe to get pregnant right away.

However, since the only thing this family has going for them is pregnancy, breeding...I see them all pregnant for a surprise for next season..including Anna.

Andrea said...

I agree Elspeth. If Jessa or Jill isn't pregnant soon, I think we can assume with 100% certainty they are practicing some form of birth control. I hope you're right, that they're actually getting medical advice from medical professionals. Perhaps there is hope for Jill and Jessa yet. I was totally astonished and shocked when Jessa became pregnant because I was certain, she amongst the sisters would have been wise to the game and merely married to escape Mom and Dad, but then when she got pregnant so soon after her wedding, I wasn't so sure.

Also, still no Josh. What is he just cloistered at the compound never to be seen in public again?! Seriously, it's been months. Perhaps he'll come out of hiding when the show ends, which at this point seems inevitable, in light of the fact that willing advertisers are few.

Meme, also agree with your comment. Michelle suffers from sort of personality disorder. She is entirely about her husband and the resulting children seem to just be inconsequential. It's really frightening. It's funny, but actually the adult daughters (excluding Jessa) seems quite normal, unharmed by her narcissism. Maybe Michelle was better when she had fewer children? In Jessa, I see a carbon copy of Michelle narcissism. It's chilly.

Anyways, my hope is the Duggar's won't be on the air for much longer so we won't have anything more to write / read about.

Elspeth said...

Jessa did not have a c-section.

Annie said...

I looked for the book "Quiverfull" and found several by that title. Who is the author? I love reading topics such as these.

dueit said...

Anonymous, I agree with Ben escaping. He is young and he doesn't quite act the way he did with Jessa. I think he loves her and all but with younger people once the excitement is gone, it is hard to be in a relationship. Especially if your interests are diff. And especially with all that responsibility on Ben. I just cannot see Jessa going to a rap concert to please Ben. She looked miserable at Flames studio. This seriously could push them apart.

Jeanette said...

And the fact that Derrick has a beard is a thing, too. Gothard doesn't approve. It seems the two husbands just don't go for rules that have no Biblical foundation. According to xatiguy, Gothard says that men who have beards have problems with lust. Jesus had a beard. So many have planned their who lives and child rearing based on nonsense.

Shame Shame, Sierra. Everybody knows your name! said...

in reference to too bad, so sad who made us aware of the cottage laws in some states that allow for some foods to be sold without a health dept inspection (since we saw Sierra's cluttered house which is lived in by 5 little booger-picking kids who need dirty diapers changed...and she had the strawberries draining on ...gag...bath towels that.

So I looked it up for Arkansas since Sierra Jo Dominguez thinks she is so smart and above the law (just like the Duggars!):
forrager.com/law/arkansas/



***PROHIBITED VENUES****
- Online (And Sierra Jo Dominguez has her Facebook showing she is selling them and telling people to order!!)

- Retail stores (YET, Sierra Jo Dominiguez shows where she is selling them here!! : https://www.facebook.com/dojosdesigns/photos/pb.162747157098690.-2207520000.1461003170./535229526517116/?type=3&theater


ALLOWED SERVICES:
Pickup (However, here is Sierra Jo Dominguez is blatantly continuing to break the law) https://www.facebook.com/dojosdesigns/photos/pb.162747157098690.-2207520000.1461003457./572114482828620/?type=3&theater




And nobody will ever turn her in because she is "part of the Duggars".

Just trying to think it through said...



Before they got married I wonder if there was any reason that Jill or Jessa would have been allowed to visit a doctor who might (oh, my) see their Vajayjay. If they didn't have that opportunity and being sheltered by control freaks who wouldn't think of telling the girls anything about it no wonder Jill got pregnant on her honeymoon and Jessa did not long after she got married. Their husbands might have been clueless, too. (With all of their conversations monitored while courting they couldn't have discussed this with their fiance.)

Now that the young ladies have both had bad experiences there is the chance the doctor had a chance to talk to them privately without the all seeing busybody Jim Bob conferenced. Maybe the doctors warned them that going along the way they had been they could end up dead and leave their precious baby without a mama. (The love of a mother is very strong and maybe stronger than the devotion to Control Daddy and Got hard.)



Jeanette said...

And one more thing: I think the two husbands are expanding Jill and Jessa's worlds. How many times have we seen Izzy dressed in OSU outfits now? College was seen by the Duggar kids as something evil that must be avoided at all costs, but I think Jill is reconsidering. And now Ben going to a concert without feeling defiled or mesmerized into sin by the non-approved beat. I think it will take the husbands swooping in and rescuing the Duggar girls from the heresy that's been such a big part of their lives. I don't know that the sons will be as affected, although I know that one of the Bates boys saying he would let his children watch Winnie the Pooh sent shockwaves among some from that community.

lisa mc gins said...

that nathan bates is seeing a girl aashly? I don't think her family is raised in that cult? could not see any family from new york living in that gotham cult lifestyle?

roddma said...

I don't get how the Bateses are more fun or let the kids live full adult lives.Two of the sons-in-law are employed by ATI. Alyssa wearing pants doesn't impress me. All adult kids still follow the no birth control thing, and wife at home. Whitney went from normal wearing pants working at Sonic to obsessing over pregnancy tests after barely getting back from the honeymoon. The Bateses are trying very hard to not be like the Duggars-look at us front hugs,daughter wears pants, one son says girl friend, etc So? not buying it. The adult kids only live full lives base don their belief.They are yet another family who preaches no TV yet have a show, and changed themselves to attract viewers.

Sharon said...

Two of the sons-in-law are employed by ATI.
One son-in-law works at IBLP.

Anonymous said...

As a response to those talking about Nathan Bates and Ashley. Here is a link

http://allmyvideos.net/fcygt8ygphbh

Meme said...

IBLP international offices are everywhere from Australia to Taiwan to Singapore. And it looks like their events calendars are still full, in spite of Bill Gothard's dethroning.

Cindy said...

Sharon, I could be wrong, but Alyssa's husband works for the family A/C business in Florida. Chad works for a scrap yard or something like that?? Michael's husband does work for IBLP. Plus Erin posted that she, Chad and Lawson don't really follow IBLP. I could be wrong, but I see a lot of the Bates adult children drifting away from IBLP.

Roddma, the Bateses have never been like the Duggars throughout the years. That's why I like them. I see the Duggars (Jim Bob and Michelle) TRYING to be like the Bateses. You just know Jim Child is very competitive. It's not working though. You might disagree with me, but the Bateses are more loving, kinder and NORMAL!

InVA said...

Which Bates kids work at ATI and IBLP? Just wondering. :-)

Cindy said...

Oh my word! Jessa is getting the crazy eyes!!!

Drama Mama Sierra said...

I don't remember the Duggar women getting all lunatic eyed until that Ol Sierra woman came screeching onto the scene. Now it looks like several of the Duggars have contracted Sierra's lunatic eyes.

Jeaanette said...

Does anyone else wonder if the Duggars went through Gothard's material on sex abuse asking the girls what they might've done to provoke Josh to molest then? Even the child who was 5 at the time?

Willow said...

Regarding which Bates kids worked at ATI/IBLP: Brandon Keilen (Michael's husband) works at IBLP hq in Chicago. Chad Paine did work at hq for awhile once, but I do not know if he had a paid position or a volunteer position. That is it as far as I know regarding the Bates family.

KitKath said...

According to Hollywood Life, ANOTHER Josh victim is coming out soon to tell her story, perhaps even a tell-all. Good for her. Most likely the Holt girl, although it doesn't say for sure. Can't wait for this doozy. Nail in the coffin?

roddma said...

I still don't see the Bateses as more kind loving, or normal. They g on conversion trips with the Duggars. In act, Gil went on a rant a few weeks ago saying 'God' will protect Christians from cannibalism and 'He' will do so working on 'native' hearts. Erin has a clotting issue yet gets pregnant again not even a yearafter Carson was born.Like the UDggars, they can't even know their spouse or decide how many kids, when to have them, or if they want them. If I were Erin and Chad, I would tell Gil and Kelly we're using birth ocntrol, none of your business.
I disregard anything these people say about not being affiliated with Gothard when they still practice the beliefs. Gothard was accused of sexual misconduct and they still let their kids around him. They had a cake dedicated to him at Erin's wedding for his birthday.Furthermore, the minor kids don't get paid a cent.How are cameras
in you face so young healthy? No matter how they seem otherwise compared ot Duggar, that's a major beef with me.

laura said...

All very good comments here, good to bring back to perspective as I have a tendency to rail off.
You can tell how closed off from normal society and how self-absorbed these people are. Their broken record of babies, marriage and harassing the youngers about what kind of mate they want(ridiculous, as they do not get to choose from the beginning).
They seem totally unaware how they come off. Their world is so small and selfish. Unempathetic, unconcerned, uninterested in anything else but themselves unless to bash others for not being like them and their stupid obsession with their hair and babies.(nothing against babies or hair in general)

Will they really go their whole lives this way-stagnant, unenriched, uncurious, looking down on others.
Who at TLC is perpetuating this SICK freakshow. The more I see the desperation in their social media to stay relevant about things normal people really do not give a s#$t about, the more I am amazed at them. And not in a good way.
Just cannot comprehend this family.

Someone break on through to the other side.
Dim bulb could use a good swift kick in the rear cuz all he does is act like a donkey.
Poor Dumb Anna.

Rudy Tecat said...

Here's the link to the article on the other victim of Josh:
http://www.inquisitr.com/3016211/new-victim-reveals-josh-duggar-molested-her/

Willow said...

KitKath - Thanks for the info! Keep us posted if you can. I so hope that happens.

Dawn Whipple said...

If Jill Dillard was begged 3 times by that poor woman in labor to call 911, and refused. I think she is coward with no character. I don't care what the mid wife she was working under said. Do you think if a person looked into the eyes of Jesus and begged for help, he would turn his back on you. She was there, was begged in pain to call 911, and refused. She is just as much to blame in my opinion. Set aside the interning she was doing, she failed to do what a human being should do for another human being. I couldn't trust her to walk me across the street. Her character is lacking.

Meme said...

Dawn - Jill irks me also. Even when she was young she would say, "even though Amy is different we still ACCEPT Amy." She sounded just like her judgmental mother. Jana was my favorite at one time. But she is also a Michelle clone, nodding in agreement every time her mama speaks. Jessa is conceited and smug. But Anna takes the cake! I really think the girl has lost her marbles. She seems to believe that if she denies and hides long enough, Josh will turn into Mr. Perfect Husband. The family has always been fake and pretentious but Anna absolutely puts on a show. The way she talks! Wowza. There must be a Gothard approved book of quotes somewhere. And all the Duggar women have read it - cover to cover - as they've walked through each stage of life, sharing their hearts and investing in others.

Dawn Whipple said...

So I wonder whose bright idea it was to keep Jill's story line going about her interning to be a midwife, when a baby ended up with cerebral palsy. Never gave a inkling anything was wrong. Probably the same person who thought it was a good idea to start a reality show when they had sexual molestation running rampant in the household. SMH

S said...

Here's a theory as to why Ben always look distracted and out of it--that ridiculous and angry rap music--- bet he listens to it all the time. He probably tunes Jessa and the Duggars out and gets lost in his music. He always looks far away and bored with Duggarville.

Cs said...

per "Meme said...

Dawn - Jill irks me also. Even when she was young she would say, "even though Amy is different we still ACCEPT Amy."

OMG, I totally forgot about that. Saying that you still accept someone who is different is one of those backhanded judgmental, bigoted comments. It's trying to convince people that you are nicer than you are because you have convinced yourself that you are nicer than you really are.

Quiana said...

People have been asking about the money the Duggars get for the kids, they do get paid. I know that Mama June from Honey Boo Boo said she put all the money her kids made into bonds for them that they can only access when they turn 18. DOUBT that's the case with the Duggars!

Still wondering what drew Derick to seek Jimbob for a pray partner. Why? Why did he think that was a good idea?!
I wonder if his side of the family even gets to see him or the baby, that side of the family isn't mentioned.
Is Ben's family apart of the cult?

Back at the engagement party (I think) where they played football there was a black girl there with the cutest braids!
She stood out to me cause it was sad the Duggar girls can't even change up their hair (wondering if the married ones can) and she was black. Weird enough back when the show was 17 and counting I wished I could date a Duggar! LOL
I don't think that would be allowed!

Espeth said...

Mama June never said she put all the money into trust accounts for the girls. She said she was putting money away for them. Turns out it was merely bank accounts that she set up and she spent most of the money anyway.

Quiana said...

Sorry Espeth, I was mistaken. Still though the kids get paid.

Elspeth said...

If you consider the few hundred dollars Mama June gave the kids, then yeah they were paid. She deducted all the money she spent on them from their piddly accounts.

Quiana said...

I meant that the kids do get paid for being on tv. They work and get paid which their parents handle.
What their parents do with it is beyond TLC control. It sucks cause in cases of the two shows the kids were the draw and they can't even have the money for their future

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