Free Discussion, September, 2016

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Quiana said...

Article on Prez Hilton
http://mobi.perezhilton.com/2016-09-01-jill-and-jessa-counting-on-loses-advertisers-josh-duggar-scandal-tlc/?from=postabout
apparently 4 more advertisers have dropped frim TLC after their ads were show during counting on!
Big laugh at another hole in duggar $$$ train!
Also stated there and other sites are saying the show is costing them without ad money.

Andrea said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/exclusive-bad-news-for-duggar-show-jill-jessa-counting-on-112358

Friends, I think it's safe to say there are some of us in this group who are still actively pressuring advertisers. I think it's great! I mean, yes, the Duggar's continue to appear on TV, but I think if we continue to pressure advertisers and draw attention to which advertisers appear during Counting On it's only a matter of time before they close up shop. Victory!

Birdbrain said...

I watched the Bates tonight, it is so boring, we got to watch them eat at a Buffet, next week we get to see their favorite episodes....

Stephanie said...

I can't believe I forgot about this.

Did anyone else take note of Jessa trying to express how different it is being a mother as compared to being a sister mom? I thought that was one of the most honest words that have ever been said on that tv show.


She should also realize it goes both ways. As much as the sister moms raise the siblings, and the siblings love them, ITS NOT THE SAME AS YOUR MOM taking care of you. Jessa needs to remember that when starts putting her chores on her older children.

Heart in Florida said...

I don't want to hear the Duggars complain about what they have walked through again. If they did the right thing, and faded in to the sunset when all this stuff initially hit the fan, they wouldn't be walking through this publicly. I think they like to point at themselves and tell others just how they suffer because of the poor choices of others. Well, parents, you just don't get it. In this country, you can live as you wish, religious or not, but to go on TV and purposely (excuse the word) allow the general public believe all this "great, perfect family stuff" is just misleading and dishonest of you. You are NOT genuine at all and haven't been since day one on TV. Don't you publicly subscribe to the teaching "your sins will find you out"? Well, they did. Jim Bob also stated on the interview with Megyn Kelly that they would be just fine with being cancelled and had their busy lives to go on living...well, they did no such thing. They kicked and screamed their way back on TV like a mad dog with a tight hold on a steak.
I don't want to see or hear Jim Bob, Michelle, Josh OR Anna on screen at all. Anna makes my stomach sick the way she goes on being "cheerful" like Josh is away in the real military or something. That girl has no choices in life and is not an example to other women in the least. She has absolutely no preparation, experience or skills to rely on in this world. Her life, like those other women in that community are helpless without a man to take care of them. That gives those rotten guys out there a free pass to behave as they like knowing all too well that their wives will forgive them and stay with them no matter how they hurt their wives.

CatMom said...

Stephanie re: "Jessa needs to remember that when she starts putting her chores on her older children."

I'm curious to see how this will all pan out for her. Precious Michelle sort of had it made with her older girls and giving all of the "indoor" chores to them like child-care, cooking, cleaning, sewing, and teaching school. If Jessa has a bunch of older boys to begin with, I'm thinking it's unlikely they'd be expected to do "women's chores." She might get desperate enough, though, LOL! :-)

emm said...

Very true on the women's chores. I remember on one early episode Michelle discussing how "God knew what he was doing putting all the girls in the front and then giving 8 boys in a row." I always wonder what happens when the girls are out numbered? Anna's boys outnumber the girls. Does this mean all the chores will fall on MacKenzie and Meredith?

Wendy Heusel said...

well I would just love to know how josh is supporting his family now? also i hope jessa has all boys and she will have to do all the work by herself? you know Ben does not do nothing at all. and them ever adopting is never going to happen.

Ruby said...

emm--Anna has two boys and two girls.

Ashleigh said...

Well it seems that the duggar show is losing more and more advertisers without advertisers no show can survive. Non of the kids have a proper education and all of the kids have been raised on "Duggar Time" no life experience no education how are the boys suppose to get jobs and what is their social standing in their community. Does the Community want to do business with the duggars in the first place? Now in theory the duggars have made oodles of cash do you all understand how many zeros there are in ooodles so does that mean all the kids have a pension per say since the show was called 19 kids and counting or did Jimbob squander all the money on hairspray and breath mints? Because if if counting on is indeed canceled the duggars are #$%^ in a major way for one there are grand kids how are the parents suppose to raise kids their children on vacant stares false smiles and stupidity. Jessa is pregnant and she will lose any medical insurance if they have any but the worst fallout for the duggars will be josh he will completely lose his family if counting on doesn't survive. Any thoughts

mickey said...

Just a bunch of adults, and kids, living with no support aside from a used car lot, tow truck business, and TLC.

No wonder they all wear flip flops, they can't afford shoes.

I know how fast money goes for a family of four. Imagine how fast it goes for these people.

Just Me said...

It seems to me that it was a lost cause spending all the time & of course money (TLC'S money) to build the tree house. I believe it was only shown one or twice & just to show it off not to show the kids playing in it. Or should I say "getting al their energy out."

Wendy Heusel said...

i could not image going to the food store to support the large family. he supports them all. wonder how Ben and Jessa make money. or does daddy hand them a monthly check to pay the bills and buy food and clothing. who gets the check from tic? is it split per person on the show or one large check?

Stephanie said...

I have always asked about how the kids are compensated for being on TV for ten years. The Gosselins were ripped to shreds by Money questions and they publicly tried to account for the money going to the kids. Jimbob has never been asked about the money as far as I can see.

1. The kids helped make the show a success. They have ten years of tv money owed to them.
2. Did Jimbob keep all the money?
3. Does he give Josh and John David their own contract with TLC and prevents the girls from having their own income?
4. Regarding the new show, do the 18 and older get their own money?
5. Do the married girls hand their tv checks to the husbands? And the unmarried girls hands it over to Jimbob?

My biggest speculation is that Jimbob gives a dowry to the male fiancée and it's actually the money that should have went to the girls as tv money. I think that's what Ben is living on and with Josh ruining the tv show Ben is out of luck.

Bens parents were all over the Duggars and allowed their son to move in with them but since the scandal they have not appeared. I thought they would be around when Spurgeon was born. I think they thought Ben and Jessa would live off celebrity money. They have now that I look back. How many magazine articles have they gotten paid for? The wedding episode etc

Is Jimbob their manager taking a percentage of their earnings, you know like Kris Jenner.

How many times have they been interviewed and no one asks about the kids money?

Wendy Heusel said...

i would love to see a copy of all the duggars tax returns.

Patsy said...

The new "In Touch" Mag is out (Sept. 12th issue). On it's front cover is Michelle & Jim Bob with the headline "The Breakup. The Fight That Split the Family Apart".

Inside is a four (4) page spread. The article says that Jim Bob & Michelle are in a face off against their older children because they want Josh to appear on "Counting On" to try to win back public support but the older siblings do not want him to appear on THEIR show.

It says Jessa is the master-mind behind where the show is heading. She & hubby "came up with a plan to direct attention onto family members more deserving than Josh". They set up the meeting between little sis Jinger & her now fiancé because "Jessa knew that it would be a wonderful ratings booster for "Counting On" if Jeremy began courting Jinger."

Jessa wants Jinger's engagement & wedding preparations to be the main story for the season (with attention also on herself following the announcement of her & Ben expecting their second child). A family insider said that "Having people concentrate on what Josh said in an interview on the show would have overshadowed all the hard work Jessa had done."

It goes on to state that Jill & hubby Derick agreed and that the older boys sided with Jessa & Jill too. "Jim Bob and Michelle are really suffering because they've found themselves to be at war with their own children -- all because they wanted to do something they thought would help Josh."

It doesn't say how Jana or Joy (the girls!) feel about it but obviously they also sided with their siblings since they are on the show. lol

Susie said...

No wonder the show is so awful if Jessa is the mastermind. If the article has some truth to it, then I can see where TLC handing the plots over to an immature, uneducated hick with no production skills, writing skills and no creativity would lead to these dull, dull and boring repeated themes.....why would TLC do this????? They are certainly not making money.

Andrea said...

I strongly suspect that Discovery / TLC is wise enough to have individual contracts with each adult child appearing on the show. If each adult child didn't have his or her own contract, the children could presumably sue Discovery / TLC for money after the show has ended or their relationship with their parents or TLC soured. Additionally, if the adult children wanted their share of the TV money to go to Jim Bob they would require independent legal counsel for the adult children (lawyers of their own) to OK the agreement. I cannot imagine any entertainment lawyer would be so dumb as to allow all money earned from a TV show to go to one person - Jim Bob. It's really hard to say without someone working in the legal department of Discovery / TLC confirming the details. But at the end of the day, Jim Bob is shrewd so it's entirely possible he gets everything and holds all earned funds "in trust". I think it safe to assume Jessa and Ben have nothing. . . otherwise why are they living in their brother's hand me down tiny shack. Also, where are Josh and Anna living? Honestly, after the toilet births and all Anna has been through she deserves a mansion of her own, just wonder if a lawyer representing her interests has every been employed?

Meme said...

The show is incredibly boring. Maybe there was some appeal when the kids were younger but now we are watching a group of unemployed, lazy adults plod through their day.

Helen said...

Entertainment law is a world to itself. People may appear on TV without being compensated. Odd, but true. TLC has long had a practice of paying by family even when members are over 18. Those shows from a few years ago about large families only cut one check for the entire group. TLC likely pays any not living on the homestead separately, but for those still at home "under the umbrella" of Jim Bob's protection I wouldn't put any money on having separate contracts.

Stephanie said...

We have speculated for years how they get paid.

The real question is, why doesn't anyone ever ASK Jimbob "where is the money your kids have earned the past ten years?"

gen said...

RE Anonymous Just Me said...
It seems to me that it was a lost cause spending all the time & of course money (TLC'S money) to build the tree house. I believe it was only shown one or twice & just to show it off not to show the kids playing in it. Or should I say "getting al their energy out."

The sole purpose of the tree house storyline, and the "Jinger flipping cars" storyline for that matter was to try and make peace with the the more mainstream public by showing the Duggar girls in less traditional roles and being the boss over the boys of the family.

For TLC it was gambling a very small about of money all things considered, but if the strategy had worked it could have paid off big time in getting more people watching the show and getting the advertisers less antsy. I think it's a gamble they lost. They lost 4 more advertisers and not just for that show, but for the entire network and potentially for the entire Discovery group.

Obviously TLC is still making money somewhere with the Duggars because they're fighting tooth and nail to keep them on. Other people have been thrown off the network for less. For example, Honey Boo Boo. I couldn't stand that show, but considering why it was cancelled, the Duggars should be completely off tv. Mama June had taken up with the scumbag who had molested her daughter and that's terrible, but the Duggars have been preaching a whole lot of things while having a child molester in their house, knowing about it and not doing one damn thing and that's about a million times worse. Honey Boo Boo's family has never claimed to be hollier than Jesus, the Duggars however consider themselves better than just about everyone.

Big kite said...

The topic of payment is one I would like to get to the bottom of, but I'm doubtful that we will ever know the trut.

Heart in Florida said...

If TLC consults the adult Duggar children about content, etc., on this new version of their show, you bet your bottom dollar that Jim Bob is sitting in on this meeting and "advising" his children on what and what NOT to do. TLC can't do anything about Jim Bob's presence and his influence over his adult offspring. They, please remember were "trained up" to never question or go against their parents' instruction, so it's JB at the wheel here. I think all this "war in the family over Joshly, is false publicity. It goes against what they were strongly taught with the threat of going to hell.

smee said...

Somewhere I came across a Throwback video clip of Michelle about 5 year ago taking care of her 5 or 6 youngest children. As she is feeding them some instant ramen noodles for lunch she states seriously that the ramen noodles have lots of protein, implying that she feels she is providing them a well balanced and healthy lunch. Is she really that stupid? Does she know about carbs and protein? Does she know that a bowl full of salty instant noodles does not constitute a meal? How about some baby carrots? Apples and peanut butter? Berries? Watermelon? Tomatoes? Salad? Cheese? Yogurt? Milk? Oranges? No, just an ignorant styrofoam bowl of instant ramen. Sadly, I think she IS that stupid. And sadly, I don't think she knows how to cook anything. How has she made it through all these years and all those kids without even the most basic cooking skills?

Alison said...

Re: smeee's comment about Michelle making a nourishing lunch for her kids. She wouldn't know a well balanced meal if it hit her in the face. How many times have we seen Michelle do any real cooking? All I've seen is when they have guest over for dinner Michelle will say "everyone come this way & we always let guests go first." Then we see Jana & whoever is helping her standing behind the buffet table passing out the food. The food is always served on paper or foam plates & cookout style utensils . When they were first on, way back when, they had those type of plates that they have in cafeterias, a heavy plastic type. Why did they ever bother with commercial dishwashers? Bet they got them from a "friend." I couldn't believe the time the Minister that Michelle just loved came for dinner & was served "tatertot casserole" "on those plates. I don't know about other families but when we have special people over for dinner we will often feed our children first, so the adults can sit at the table & enjoy their dinner & conversation without any kids climbing all over the table etc.

Christine said...

Michelle though ramen had protein in it?!? No, it has a ton of carbs. Carbs are not protein. She should have at least learned that at the Weight Watchers meetings. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she was just temporarily brain-dead (ever had those moments when you're so tired you can barely think straight and mess up single-digit arithmetic?). I've never had high expectations for her...but yeesh...

I agree that the "Jessa vs. JimBob" split is probably false publicity. If JimBob is the one controlling the money -- and it definitely seems like that -- then there's not much Jessa can do to oppose him, since he's the one paying Ben's salary.

I think that the battle over having Josh on the show is between TLC and JimBob and Michelle. I wouldn't be surprised if JB and M want to put Josh on the show to try to humanize him to viewers -- he's their precious firstborn son and JB and M are plenty biased when it comes to Josh. TLC is smart enough not to put Josh on -- an overweight, unemployed man who molested his sisters and cheated on his wife isn't what viewers want to see. TLC might be willing to put him on if he was extremely penitent, but according to reports and past statements, he's not. Josh would rather blame porn and the devil than accept responsibility for his own actions. This wouldn't work with viewers, most of whom are more liberal and less religious than him.

Meme said...

Okay I'm gonna have to admit that I have felt that people were being a tad judgmental about the Duggars' use of canned foods. I felt that if some of the rest of us had NINETEEN kids to feed 3 x a day, we'd probably be grabbing every can in sight. HOWEVER, along comes Jeremy talking about his mom's cooking, which leads to Jinger being asked what she is able to cook. She chokes. She never gives a real answer, just sits there grinning like a little girl.

So I started thinking about just what we've seen the family eat. Here is my list: tater tot casserole (of course), Sunday chili in the ginormous pot, and the frozen lasagna that they serve to guests. I can't think of anything else. So it's no wonder that Jinger can't cook. Jing, hang on, baby! Life's about to change BIGTIME.

Elspeth said...

Ramen is not devoid of protein. It has 5 grams per package. That doesn't make it a good food, but it isn't total carbs.

Aunt Bea said...

In a recently re-release of a clip of MIchelle "feeding one of her younger daughters those Ramen noodles....I couldn't help but notice how she shoved a plastic fork filled with too many noodles for that girl's mouth to accept in one bite. She almost stuck that kid's lip with the plastic tonged fork. Combine that with feeding a baby with an all too big metal teaspoon, I don't think she was EVER instructed how to take care of a baby or a child. She also was filmed feeding one of her baby girls while that baby was fully reclined, laying down on a couch...such a change of that child choking. This lady doesn't know what she's doing in the mothering department. How is it that she was given Mother of the Year? It should have been Birther of the Year. That woman stopped developing when she married Jim Bob; it's evident to me.

mickey said...

I have no doubt that this season of TLC "Counting On", that Anna, Jessa, Jill will all be pregnant, to keep their pregnancy fetish fans glued to the tv.

What could possibly go wrong with Anna having a baby to "improve" her marriage to Josh? Excellent Duggar plan!

Ugh, this family and their preoccupation with sex/pregnancy is just beyond gross. And of course, the ongoing focus on virginity of their daughter in courting, and how that must be protected is beyond vulgar. Crass. Who watches this obscenity?!

Willow said...

I think it is shameful that the only Duggar female who can actually cook seems to be Jana. Anna may be able to cook a little also. The rest of the "wimmin" from Michelle on down, have plenty of time for makeup, hair tutorials, seminars, road trips, babysitting, religious camps and retreats, as well as sleeping in late because of "Duggar time". Its so sad that they don't have time to fit in a little cooking practice. I wonder if its because their tastes just don't require real cooking? I know its hard with a large family and homeschooling and everything, but it just seems like there is a big void there. Kelly Bates is not a nutritional expert, I don't believe, but she and most of her girls can put out real meals no problem (at least that is the impression I get). I think it just requires organization, structure and perhaps its bad habits that are hard to break. I am not trying to be mean, just pointing out some sharp differences. It seems Jill has learned to cook a little, but Jessa not so much. Ha.

Patsy said...

I don't believe for a minute that Jim Bob still receives & controls the money Jessa & Ben receive from TLC. They are married, sign their own contract with TLC, and make their own final choices for "their" show. The same for Jill & Derrick.

I think this is what really irks Jim Bob to no end. He preaches that the responsibility for the girls passed on to their spouses at marriage but he still gives them plenty of input I'm sure (solicited or not) & is very unhappy when they choose to go against his advice/wishes.

I don't think Jim Bob has much (if any) real say in the adult kids show now. I wouldn't be surprised if the adult "kids" still living in the family home (ie Jana, John David) also have their own separate contracts with TLC. IMO Jim Bob tries to advise them plenty (along with legal people) but their dealings with TLC are just that -- their dealings -- and he's not happy about it.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Agree that ramen noodles does indeed contain protein. Even had a coworker who was protein deficient and she would eat those because they contained a good amount of protein. The problem is though, the sodium! The flavoring packet is loaded with sodium. It is advised to only use half of it. And always, serve with vegetables if you are serving to children!

too bad,so sad said...

About the money: Child actors have a lot of protection about having a nonparent make decisions in their best interest. They make sure they are educated, make sure they do not film too long, while ill etc. and their money is also put into an account for them and managed. Their parents can not squander it. Reality tv minors have NO protection unless the state where they live and film has passed recent laws. Reality tv minors are not actors. So, I know that Pa. has passed laws to protect minor reality stars. Arkansas as far as I know has not. So, the minor Duggar kids may or may not have any funds in an account for them to access when they become 21.
The adult kids might have their own contracts with TLC unless JB has created a company. If he created a company, then TLC could just sign a contract with that company and all payment would be paid to the company. Then everything could be decided by the board or president of the company, which could be JB. I am not saying this is what is happening. I am just pointing out a way that money could be controlled and kept away from the adult and minor children.
I don't think JB wants to keep his kids from money. I think JB wants/needs to control everything and that spills over to the money too.

mickey said...

My Aunt could never cook, she was sort of like Michelle Duggar, very dependent personality. Sort of in a completely separate reality, in her head.

She once made a cake, it tasted awful, she had used pineapple juice instead of crushed pineapple. They were frugal, and routinely at lentils with creamed corn for dinner. That was it.

I grew up in a large family, and we often ate baked potatoes for dinner, but never tater tots. We always had oranges and apples, I don't see the Duggars ever eat fresh foods.

Michelle just spent years being pregnant, taking care of babies, nursing, she probably never cooked.

life of their own.. said...

Regarding the Duggars never learning to cook... They are not the typical fundie family whom people would expect to know how to cook. Think about it, those girls were young when they became TV stars. And we all know most celebrities do not cook. They eat out a lot I am sure. They have the money. And plus Jim Bob gets free food every chance he gets. I am sure he used his status as much as possible just to see if he could get free things. I would love to see a regular family with that many kids, who are not rich and famous, and see how they really take care of their family. Do they cook 3 square meals, does the mother do most of the cooking? We know Michelle passed all these duties on to someone else when they do eat at home. IMO, Michelle has been too busy being famous to be a housewife.

Meme said...

So many of you have asked how Michelle Duggar ever became MOTY. Being from Arkansas, I thought I'd try to answer that for everyone. In short, she became MOTY for the same reasons that she was given her own reality show. The novelty of having all those children under one roof, her organizational skills (the jurisdictions), plus the fact that she was married to a politician. At the time, JimBob was a fairly nice-looking family man. They did have a certain charm at the time, unlike now. In the South, we're big on faith and family.....the Duggars had both. I do remember Michelle's style of dress being peculiar, along with her hairdo. But she seemed articulate and pleasant enough.

Honestly, no one in the state knew much more about them than anyone else in the country when they got their own show. I did not recognize the family at all in the beginning. Then I saw a clip of Jimbob's campaign and had a vague recollection.

In summary, please do not stereotype all Southerners or all Arkansans as being "like the Duggars". Or the Clintons. Or...anyone. MOTY never taught her children to use napkins or eating utensils, apparently. Someone in Little Rock really dropped the ball on that one. We apologize!

Jen Trudeau said...

I just had a thought...does anyone know the tithing precedent for Gothardites? Or do they not tithe because they have home church? I just wonder how much of their TLC money ends up in ATI/ILBP hands. (Sorry if I got the acronyms wrong)

Elspeth said...

ATI/IBLP charges fees for it's programs, retreats, books, and online programs. It isn't a church, but a non-profit religious organization. There is no need to tithe to them.

I doubt the Duggars tithe. Many, many people believe it isn't required in the New Testament church. As a Baptist pastor once told me first in his theology class they taught how the New Testament does away with the burden of the law. Two weeks later in his preaching class they gave outlines of tithing sermons to keep the money rolling in. He said he never got over the blatant yeah, theologically it's not valid, but you need to be paid so lay on the guilt.

Ashleigh said...

Just looked at an article about Jimbob and Michelle duggar and it seems they are in financial straits right now and it looks like counting on may not survive. How is this family which has no other means of real money suppose to survive? It looks like the financial hit is straining on the marriage of Jimbob and Michelle the worse part is they have not saved at all from their 19 kids and counting that is right people they did not save one dam cent. They were making over 25 million dollars for over 10 years how can you squander that obscene amount of money and have nothing left? What is worse how are the kids suppose to survive with no work ethic no education no critical thinking skills no ability to socialize with regular people who are not apart of their cult. In other words the duggars are in deep trouble wayto go jimbob.

mickey said...

No, I don't judge AR, by the Duggars! Just as I hope no one judges Utah, as a bunch of polygamists!

Jennifer said...

Jimbob must have all that money stashed away for himself. Their frugal life style, with the exception of the airplane and vehicles, does not add up to more then a million dollar expenditure. They get a big house, furniture, appliances, weddings, restaurants, trips around the world and who knows what else, FREE. Plus they are still shopping in thrift shops and wearing $2. flip flops. Jimbob is like a cult leader, taking profits, ruling his followers who feed his narcissistic personality disorder with their obedience to him.

Carla said...

I would love to see Michelle take her 50% and divorce him, leave the Tinker Toy House and everyone in it. Including Josie.

I would love to see Jim Bob left in that house by himself to take care of Josh, Anna, all of the grandkids, his kids and all of the adult unemployed kids and the married unemployed kids.
It would serve him right since he created this mess of a family!

And he can do all of that without TLC helping him.

MyPrecious said...

it seems they are in financial straits right now

I suspect if there is any financial issue at all, it is simply that they are facing the potential end of the big money train. Past public records have shown the existence of at least two Duggar trusts, so I'm pretty sure they have plenty of money socked away. It's just that they might actually have to start spending some of it if TLC bails. I'm equally sure JB is horrified by the thought of spending his OWN money to support HIS CHILDREN - it's been so long since he actually had to lay out a dime, with TLC funding all these stupid trips and ginormous weddings, and the Today Show giving them all new clothes to wear, and fans gifting them with every stupid wedding gift in the world, including cereal and candy, and all the rest. I see JB like Smaug the dragon, hoarding his gold just for the sake of having it. Not that he would know who Smaug is...but that's what makes the comparison so funny.

Miz Kizzle said...

God must be laughing as She shakes her head at these money-grubbing morons.

life of their own.. said...

I thought JB's net worth was a little over 3 million? Where did they come up with 25 million? Is that supposedly every year for 10 yrs.? I am sorry but I cannot see TLC paying the Duggars that kind of money. 250 million? Come on! JB would have bought into his network. Or perhaps he did and bought into TLC.lol

Elspeth said...

TLC certainly did NOT pay the Duggars $25M a year. They might have gotten cumulatively over the 10 years.

Meme said...

My issue is not so much how much they were paid but what they did with the money. Planes, trains and automobiles...okay, so no trains but you get the idea. Boy toys. And I can just imagine how Jboob justified it. "Well, John David needs the plane for business and we need the ginormous vehicles for all these chillun." God forbid that they buy those girls any decent, pretty clothes without 13 previous owners. How about real perms or haircuts (my preference) in a real salon? Instead of those hideous bananarama do-it-yourself home perms? They have always claimed that they wanted more or better for their children - this was always the reason given for why they do what they do. Sure looks to me like they want NOTHING for them. Nothing at all.
S'cuse me, I think I just saw Jboob's bus go by. I recognized it from all the duct tape, patchwork and secondhand tires.

Andrea said...

"They get a big house, furniture, appliances, weddings, restaurants, trips around the world and who knows what else, FREE." While I certainly think they got a discount on many, many things, I think it's not reasonable to think they got everything for free. I live in Toronto and anyone that watches HGTV knows, many of their shows are filmed here. My understanding from people in the industry is the production company subsidizes some of the renovations, but all of the furniture is loaned and returned upon completion of the TV program. I'm thinking, Love it or List it, Income Property, Property Virgins, Homles on Homes, etc.

Big kite said...

INCOME
227 episodes x 40,000/episode=Take Home=9,080,000

Take Home x 52%=9,080,000 x 0.52=$4,722,000

COSTS
100,000/year x 10 years = $1,000,000

NET
INCOME-COSTS
4,722,000-1,000,000=
$3,722,000



Big kite said...

This asset estimate (3.7M) is very crude and does not include speaking fees and Jim Bob's various other sources of rental income.

They also have real estate assets. I'm not sure I would put much value on their old vehicles and those planes are likely a liability.

If someone can explain how they get to 25Million or greater in assets for the Duggars, I am all ears.

Big kite said...

I wonder if Jim Bob is worried that if Counting On fails Jessa will be looking for money not paid as child actor?

Elspeth said...

I can guarantee they weren't paid $40K an episode for 10 years. That's not how TLC works.

Big kite said...

Elspeth, $25K to $40K per episode has been reported in the media. Do you think these #'s are high or low?

I went with higher number for all episodes to show that even using that its hard to see how they could have earned $25M.

How high could their speaking fees be, has anyone read that?

Elspeth said...

It's high. Season one TLC pays almost nothing - in the neighborhood of $2.5k per episode plus whatever they do that week. Season two might go up to $4K per episode. Season four would be around $22K per episode. If the ratings drop, TLC will negotiate to lower the pay to keep the show on. They do have some incentives built in for breaking certain viewership levels, but the Duggars wouldn't get many of those.

You can't trust the guesses that people put out in articles. There was a rumor that the Gosselins were getting $75K an episode. They got $22.5 in their fourth season. That's quite a bit of difference.

mickey said...

The real golden goose was the money on re-runs, which I guess is toasted now, who would want the stigma? They can barely find sponsors for "Counting On".

I wonder how long TLC will keep this going.

Ashleigh said...

It was me who quoted 25 million they have also wrote two books as well. The point is can they afford all those kids without money from TLC I have to wonder and why through all the seasons of 19 kids didn't Social Services come in for crying out loud I have to wonder.

Windy said...

Re:Carla's comments I'm sure that all the work in that home would be divided between Jana & Anna, if for any reason the hard working mom, Michelle wasn't there to do her share as she always does now. Come to think of it there would actually be no difference as Michelle does nothing now anyway. Everything just falls to the person that's around.

Elspeth said...

TLC paid the Duggars nothing for re-runs. They don't pay residuals.

Cindi said...

When I see my friends & neighbors heading out to work so early in the morning that's it's often pitch dark, all I an think of is how these Duggar kids have been taught that there is another time zone & it's called "Duggartime." What a disgrace to let them loll around in bed for half a day when there are so many hard working people that have been at work for hours. When they have all these interviews why doesn't anyone have the guts to ask "why do you allow your children to live on Duggartime?It's not right in this day & age to let kids think they can stay in bed for as long as they want to.It's enough to make you sick to hear them answer "well we're night owls." I remember when Josh as looking for a place for his family in the DC area. he was shown a townhouse & he told he real estate agent "my children don't keep regular hours." For God''s sake they were all under the age of 4 & they don't keep regular bedtime hours?

Amie Lester said...

I just saw the latest photo of Derrick on the internet. How quickly he has changed in appearance, now looking so terribly thin & sickly with those huge bags under his eyes which men his age do not have. He has the declining look of those before and after meth addict photos used to scare people away from drugs. Maybe this is one of the reasons Jill seems not so happy and there is no baby on the way (but that's a good thing with possible exposure to Zika virus. They both need to be tested for Zika before trying for a baby as sometimes symptoms are so mild they are are not recognized but can effect a fetus.

Tanna said...

Windy- but Michelle does do something. Remember she is Jlm Bob's buddy and hey, hey hey She is always joyfully available. She can't be all sweaty from working if she is beckoned with only a moments notice.

So sad she was brainwashed into believing everything he tells her is required of her. He got ahold of her at such a young and impressionable age. She seems to have stagnated at that age when that awful hairstyle was being worn and she probably had a pair of baby doll pajamas with those puff sleeves he seems to adore.

Jim Bob she isn't 16 anymore. She is a grown woman scaring 50.

Tanna said...

Michelle's 50th is Sept 13 and Jim Bob was July 18 and he was 51.

So on less than 5 years Jim Bob will be a Senior Citizen.

Elspeth said...

It's more like 9 years for Jim Bob to be a senior citizen. It's generally age 60 and up.

gen said...

I'm in love with the new promo for the show where Jeremy puts his arm around Jinger and Jim Bob turns purple. The boy had no clue what he was getting himself into.

They say they have set their own rules for courtship and I do hope it's true even though I have very little hope of that happening.

Aimee said...

Gen - I saw that too! I am hoping that maybe they really have made up some of their own courtship rules. I know Jinger said that in the other episode - right after her brother listed all the rules everyone else has followed - she says that each couple makes their own. Please, make your own rules!

Judy said...

re: Jessa and Jeremy's courtship -- I noticed that she talks privately with him. Remember Jill always had someone with her when they talked while Derrick was in Nepal?

Stephanie said...

I thought I heard or read somewhere that he is back at a carlot doing something maybe?

Jimbob said in Josiah's birthday video that Josiah is also an employee of the "family business" (TLC is the family business IMO) but Jimbob acts like the rental properties is enough work for him, Josiah, Ben, John David, Joseph and i guess Josh. We all know that TLC is the family business but that os over except for counting on which is not going to last to long. Let's have an episode showing what all the above men actually do all day?

Stephanie said...

I agree gen.
The way Jimbob was looking at them was ridiculous. They are grown adults getting ready to get married. If Josh and Anna were able to hold hands in an almost vulgar way Jeremy, a 27 year old grown man should be able to put his arm around his girlfriend.

They are flat out lying saying the kids can make up their own courting and engagement rules.

Stephanie said...

Oh my, I listened to a pod cast of Michelle and Jimbob dated February 2015 right before the downfall of their brand and it was something they have never said on the Tv show.

First Michelle wouldn't shut up and rambled Bible verses which she does when she
Can't answer a question.

But more interesting was Jimbobs answer about Tv in the home. He gave the stock answer that we have heard over and over so that wasn't new. But what he said after, the arrogance of this man is mind blowing.

He said they will occasionally bring out the TV from grandmas room (I don't think she lives there but I do believe she has a room there because she is there while they travel etc and why hasn't she been on counting On?)
Anyway, Jimbon allows Presidential speeches to be watched and Razorback games. He also lets them watch Andy Griffith
WAIT FOR IT

But even that show is questionable because they tend to solve problems through deceit instead of turning to God for the answer.
So after the show he makes it a learning lesson on what should so-and-so I'm that situation?
i couldn't believe what I heard! He has made Andy Griffith into a deceitful show. The arrogance of Jimbob is as sounding. This was some type of radio show and we have heard Jimbob say they watch that show but that is it. If he is saying that on TLC the producers have NEVER aired it.

Think about some of the shows, Andy and Barney do have girlfriends they kiss and take to dances. Does Jimbob say "they should not be kissing because they aren't married and they shouldn't be dancing. What would Jesus do?"

How about the "Party girls" that sometimes appear? "hey Doll?" I love those.

Or when Opie doesn't like his teacher
Or the subject of history? Andy tells the story of Paul Revere in an exciting way to get them to realize history can be interesting. Jimbob would be
On Opies side and say " Opie was right. There is no reason to ever know anything that dumb ole teacher was saying. You don't need to know about history or even atten school. You boys need to learn to drive a truck you girls need to cook and birth babies for Jesus"

Only Jimbon could make the Andy Griffith show and that was just Feb 2015.

When will they learn the Internet is more dangerous than Tv?

Did i read on our blog or was it that radio interview that the girls have
Smart phones and the boys only have old phones that call and text? Because the boys have less self control than the girls?
I think it was the radio show? Haven't heard that on TLC. I think it was the same interview

mickey said...

All about ratings. The family may hate Josh, but he and Anna are hot news. The lurid sex scandal, is ratings gold. And the Christian faction loves nothing more than to see a sinner confess to Jesus, and everyone else, loudly, and proclaim to be saved with the power of prayer.

I predict a few spots of Anna to test the waters, and Josh as a teaser...

Meme said...

Stephanie you made my day, lady! I chuckled all through that post, esp. the part about the Andy Griffith show. Hardcore! You know, I don't really think that Jboob necessarily makes his decisions based on "what would Gothard do?" I think that pompous man believes that he knows what is best for HIS family. He probably sees himself as a thoughtful, "deep" intellectual type. And with his house paid for by TLC plus all the additional monies, he must also think of himself as a success. You know, someone who can give advice to all of us unenlightened souls. I can just envision him discussing some of those episodes with the children. "When Helen was screaming at Andy, was she being sweet?" "Raise your hand if you think Andy was wrong to give Barney a pistol and a (single) bullet?" "Shut up, Jackson, Aunt Bea wouldn't cook either if SHE had nineteen kids."

Carla said...

I remember Jim Bob and Michelle bragging about how they monitor all of the texts and video chats between Jill and Derick when they were courting. After watching Jinger text Jeremy 24/7, I am sure that too was a lie. When does Jeremy have time for anything other than texting Jinger....talk about a smothering female???? Let the man be!

bree said...

Jeremy is 29 years old...that is definitely old enough to make your own decisions regarding dating. They are true adults. Jim Bob needs to let them think for themselves.

Dana Alton said...

I believe Jeremy will do whatever is expected of him in Duggar world at this point, such as the crazy dating rules and texting to Jinger non stop. In reality, Jeremy is a 29 year old man who has no job and somehow wormed his way into the Duggar family. He might have hoped for Jana who is nearer his age, she refused and he was given Jinger instead. How can he have all the time in the world to stay in NYC, travel to Pennsylvania & Arkansas? A pastor needs to be available to his congregation.....so much for him even being a phony pastor down in some Texas border town. Within a few months, Jeremy is a celebrity, all over the internet, on tv and the covers of magazines, making money after years of no work. As the man of the family, won't he get the money and not Jinger? I feel this almost 30 year old man has is own personal plans & schemes for fame & fortune and Jimbob may have met his match.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Carla, Good point about JB and Michelle hovering over them during texts. Oddly, as its known to happen in Duggarville, Jinger didn't have anyone looking over her shoulder, chaperoning those texts. Jeremy definitely seems to be getting away with more things than Ben and Derrick. Maybe because JB realizes he helped saved their show (for now anyway). Perhaps, Jim Bob has met his match!

gen said...

Maybe Jeremy gets away with more because he is a pastor and the son of a pastor. He would absolutely rank higher than Derrick the missionary whose mom remarried after being widdowed (a big no-no in their cult) or Ben the do-nothing who comes from an "average" family and was too young to be past the stage of panting after every skirts he sees.

I don't think Jim Bob expected Jinger to marry a pastor. She's probably the daughter he was the most worried about with her desire to live in a big city. There has got to be relief there so he might allow more for that reason.

I don't think that his daughters' marriages have turned out quite like he expected. I don't think he expected Derrick to take Jill away to a place where he can't keep an eye on them 24/7. I don't like Derrick much, but he must not have been very happy to learn that his wife had been molested. The "mission" trip might have been more about getting away from Josh and Jim Bob and Michelle who not only didn't do anything when it happened but protected their son more than their daughter when the scandal errupted.

As for Jessa's marriage. The thought of Ben and Jessa hanging out with rappers, even if it's christian rappers, probably doesn't sit too well with him. Ben is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he's a lot more open to the world than the Duggars have ever been. For a family that prides itself on listening to only hymns, classical and bluegrass, Ben going to rap concerts is quite scandalous. The kid might seem spineless now, but given time, he might be able to stand up to JB. It would help if he found himself a job out of the family though.

All that to say that Jeremy is probably already the favorite son-in-law.

Wendy Heusel said...

I just want to see thesis kids when daddy duggar is no longer around? I think ben is going to open his eyes when he is around 30 and say what did I get myself into and have about five or six kids by then. Jesse will be working on her third kids by this time next year.

Ashleigh said...

Wendy I think you are right I think it is slowly dawning on the duggars that TLC and their easy pay cheques will not be around for ever so how are you going to support not only your selves but if you have a family like josh How are you suppose to support them. I know Jim bob in an article have told josh that he Jim bob can not afford his and his family up keep that he will have to figure out something. How is josh suppose to do that when he has 4 strikes against him such as:

1) Bad education
2) Bad case of Lazyitis
3) No ambition no drive to succeed
4) Bad reputation (child molestation no remorse wont take any real responsibility
for actions)

I really don't think any of the duggars have considered the scenario what if counting on folded what do we do I think Ben is starting to see the writing on the wall. I think Derick is out to lunch and is not there however I do feel Jill is not happy in CA. What do you think?

Laura said...

I thought the parents were copied on all of the text messages. That was a requirement of courting. I guess that has changed otherwise Jinger would not be so free with all of her texts.....

Big kite said...

Ashleigh, very good but I add the following to things wrong with Josh:

5. Belief that the devil made him do his bad deeds

6. Distorted view of women's value/place in the world

7. Supporter of hate groups/speech

8. Not very bright

9. Dumpy, balding, unattractive

9. Thinking that the earth is less then 7,000 years old

Tina said...

Jinger has got to be so excited thinking that she is going to be able to get far way from the nut circus. She isn't thinking past that.

Imagine when she wakes up and realizes she can go to the store alone...but how will she feel when she is in that situation.

Ashleigh said...

Big Kite I also find the Duggars hyper critical of science, they claim the earth is only 7,000 years old but science saved Josie's life. Come on, give me a break. I also cannot believe that the girls got themselves pregnant when their tv show is about to be axed. I mean really, they live in a small town, the town it self is embarrassed by the Duggars behavior. I would be surprised if anyone is wiling to do business with Jim bob never mind Josh and the other guys.

Meme said...

Ashleigh, you are so right when you say that the town is embarrassed by the Duggars' behavior. Have you guys ever seen that amount of immaturity under one roof? A father who's a child, a lazy mother, people lolling about instead of going to work. How about the way Jinger squeals "Jir-uh-mee!" like a very young girl. Nothing wrong with it, of course, except that it reminds you how childish she is. Boy, Derick certainly has conformed, hasn't he? Straps on one of Jill's headbands and fits right in with the rest of the girls. I gave him WAY too much credit in the beginning. He is just as immature as the rest of that bunch. He acts more like a Duggar than Jill these days. Seems to love pretending to be a missionary when all he's doing is playing house. Bet he watches cartoons with Israel if he has access to a television. He ENJOYS being a bum.

Tanna said...

I think Jinger texting Jeremy without Michelle and JB being involved is staged because so many have snarked about them being in the middle of everything.

I think Jinger is acting like many 12 year olds when they discover boys. She may be 23 but she has never been allowed to have any thoughts about them until now of course she is acting like a typical girl with her first boyfriend. Sadly unlike most other females she has one chance and this is it. Something about him I don't care for....and she is stuck with him for life.

Racer said...

My cable provider has "Droning on" available on demand so I thought I would watch the first episode, but I couldn't even stomach watching the "on this season of counting on" clips. TLC seems to be clueless when it comes to this train wreck

smee said...

Jinger talks like she is as dumb as a stump and completely distracted by Jer-mie's attention. It's pathetic. I can't watch.

Aunt Bea said...

I don't think that Jinger is prepared to go to a store by herself in a city she's not familiar with. It would be overwhelming for her. That's why someone "from home" will visit almost seamlessly for the short time that Jim Bob will allow them to live in Texas. Jeremy and Jinger will have a store front church right there in NW Arkansas before Christmas, is my guess.

Misty said...

Duggars are attracting husbands who are as lazy as they are. Who else would succumb to Jimbob's rules and ridiculous behavior. Only someone looking for fame and fortune doing nothing such as Ben & Derrick.

Carla said...

I would like to think that Jill is slowly coming around to the idea that her parents sold her down the river regarding Josh. Derick's plan to keep her away from Daddy and Josh may eventually bear fruit. Now that they are back, I hope they continue to keep their distance.

Heart in Florida said...

One thing I never understood (well, among many) is if Derick had this "life long" desire to be a missionary, why did he accept that job at WalMart in the first place? It just doesn't seem to fit in to his plans for his life. He was there for such a short time, after completing 4 years of a real university, majoring in accounting, etc..and not theological studies, etc., ones that would have supported and helped him with missionary work. Still doesn't add up to me. Also, on his linkedin page at that time, it listed nothing about missionary aspirations either.

Ellie B. said...

"I think Jinger is acting like many 12 year olds when they discover boys. She may be 23 but she has never been allowed to have any thoughts about them until now of course she is acting like a typical girl with her first boyfriend. Sadly unlike most other females she has one chance and this is it. Something about him I don't care for....and she is stuck with him for life."

The Duggars are all about cookie cutter formulas for life. Marrying the first guy who comes along worked for Michelle & JB so that's the way it's going to be for their kids. In the real world, it's not realistic at all. Yes, sometimes a couple will meet in elementary school and be together for the rest of their lives. But I think most people have to stumble their way through several heartbreaking relationships before they find out who they are and what kind of person is best suited for them.

The sister-moms are emotionally stunted to be like jr. high girls with their first crush, doodling a cute guy's last name with theirs. They don't get the chance to go to school and just hang out with a bunch of friends -- guys and girls. Group outings are a great way to watch how someone interacts with others and in different situations. The Duggar girls are not mature twentysomethings who are ready for the big responsibilities of marriage & motherhood just because they are of childbearing age.

Arlene Jackson said...

Why did Derick and Jill as for all those wedding presents on their list if they knew they were not going to stay in the big house Jimbob let them live in. If Derick has his "life long" plans & desire to be a missionary, would it not have been more charitable to ask for donations so they could start the ministry? What happened to that house, furniture and all of those wedding gifts they didn't have much of a chance to use? I recall many kitchen equipment items requested (along with soda & candy & gift cards !!). Has Jill used any of the gifts people happily gave her *aside from the food items) or is Chick filet her dining room? Where are Jill & Derick now living when back in Arkansas?
There's a big time difference between the show and today.

Willow said...

Could it be the shop that "Jana" (really Jim Bob of course) just purchased be for Jeremy's new church? Please Jeremy, be the one who stands up for himself.

Mindi said...

I see in this weeks episode that Jana is planning a graduation party for 3 of her siblings. If ever there was any question about is really raising those kids , there's your answer!

What a Waste said...

smee, I agree with your comments about Jinger. I can't stand it when she looks around the room & says 'where's my guy?" That's Jr. High School behavior.

Also said...

I don't know much about Jeremy's family but from the little I've seen of his dad preaching, I wonder how Jim Bob the brilliant will fare in a match talking Theology, with Jeremy's dad. Jim Bob never has a real clue about what he's saying about the Bible & religion. Wonder how he'll hold up his end of the conversation especially when it comes to religion. We've never seen anyone challenge him.

gen said...

Here I am, hoping that Jana purchasing the building is good news, while being 100% sure that it's not...

JB probably put it in her name for tax reasons. Or for PR reasons. Or TLC purchased it for her to try and save their show by showing something closer to mainstream life. It's just so against the grain of everything they have said over the last 10 years.

I would so love to see her branching out. :(

I hate to see people being the victim of their environment, which these 19 kids are. Yes I include Josh in there because I'm not sure he would acted in the way that he did if his parents hadn't brought him up with such an unhealthy view of sexuality. And things might have stopped after the time he touched his sisters and that other girl if he had been properly treated. They put so much emphasys on something they try to de-emphasyse that you end up right in the Bible with the story of Adam and Eve. The more the fruit is forbidden, the more attractive it is...

Auggie said...

Any guesses what 'Jana's' building will be used for? I'm thinking all the kids will come in and they'll clean it out and scrub it down and rent it out to Sierra to sell her home made baking & treats.

Karen Joles said...

Does anyone else think its strange that Michelle is raising these girls to be wives and mothers but she hasnt taught any of them to cook? When Ginger was asked if she could make Italian food she said she could cook spagetti, with a question mark in her voice, and couldn't think of anything else that she could cook. Then all the girls talk about how they're so busy, doing what? Laying around the house?

roddma said...

WHy is/was Jana on Weight Watchers? She doesnt look to have a weight problem. I had the impression she went along to learn menus, but I've been reading comments elsewhere that point she was trying to diet.

Michelle isnt the only parent who is responsible for cooking meals and nutrition. Even some of secular society seems to think men can't cook or it's a woman's job to cook healthy meals. I think to the awful BBQ tuna stuff Jim Bob made.

It's bothersome when moms are telling future wives their son's favorite meals, like Jeremy. Excuse me, but guys should learn to cook their own favorite dishes. Better yet spouses should learn each others' fave dishes. Ben could have learned to cook his own apple pie. There have been several famous male chefs.

JeannieBean said...

I'm guessing that "Jana's" building (sure thing, Jim Bob...) might become a thrift shop. They've made a point of showing them shopping in a thrift shop or at least discussing thrift shopping and it would certainly tie into the 'buy used and save the difference' that they're always spouting. If they're already selling used cars, why not used clothing and/or household items? The whole family could work there in some capacity and think of the footage that TLC could get as they film them pricing and selling!

Heart in Florida said...

When Jeremy gave Jinger that small bouquet, she said "I love you" instead of "thank you". What an idiot. She has no real command of the English language. Does anyone know if the Vuolo grandparents on the dad's side are Catholic? Will Jinger and Jeremy attend any of his cousins' weddings, which may be held in a Catholic church with a mass and real NE Italian reception? Curious as to what he thinks of his still-Catholic relatives...

Heart in Florida said...

I don't believe for one moment that Jana Duggar has $95,000 to her name. I also doubt that any of those women have their own bank accounts at all. This "purchase" is a sham covering up for something else. I believe this building will miraculously turn in to a church for Jeremy asap. If he accepts it, he's no man IMO.

Sweet Pea said...

I think it is very strange that none of them know how to cook. Michelle cooks breakfast for Jim Bob and has to push away all of the hungry little kids who want some, telling them to go find their sister buddy and tell them they are hungry. It is a zoo. Ben cooks for himself and Derick probably does some of the cooking also. They need a Duggar Cooking Academy with a couple of professional chefs to help them AND they need to watch Food Network. That would be a higher priority than watching razorback football. They sleep in their clothes until noon and do what all day and half the night?????? No dishes to wash.....

Willow said...

I think your idea about Sierra renting out that shop is a spot-on guess. Renting is a lot more up their alley. They can just collect rent instead of actually working at a business. Why not let Ben and Jessa put in a coffee shop or sports merchandise store? Oh, I know, a gym for Ben. Lots of ideas for those with ambition.

too bad,so sad said...

Heart In Florida..
I watched one of Jeremy's sermons on youtube. In the sermon he mentioned his grandmother was Catholic and wanted his mom to marry a Catholic. So, yes one set of grandparents are Catholics. Knowing this it was surprising to me the vitriol he threw at Catholics even painting his own grandmother in a bad light. He stated several times that Catholics are not Christians. (even though we know that Christians don't judge?!?)
As far as attending weddings etc. in a Catholic Church it remains to be seen. His distain for the Pope and Catholic beliefs may make it a dilemma.

Heart in Florida said...

"too bad, so sad", thank you for your response. I'm sad to read about Jeremy's prejudice against his own blood's belief system. Haven't the extended Duggar/Ruark family attended events, when invited, at the Duggar home? Yes, they have over the years. We know it was conducted according to JB and Michelle's belief system and the guests attended and showed respect for them. Jeremy, and the Duggars should do the same when invited to a wedding where perhaps, tasteful dancing, listening music during dinner and alcoholic beverages are being served. They can drink ginger ale and show some respect for others' belief systems too.

Thanks, once again!

mickey said...

Cooking requires spending money on food. Spices, fresh fruit, vegetables. Jim Bob is so cheap he squeeks! My daughter saw the show where they were in NYC, the family bought ONE pizza, cut into tiny squares, and tap water all around.

He probably won't spend money on decent food. And Michelle just wants to open a few cans, mix it up and serve it. Pregnant for 20 years can do that to you. How could those girls learn how to cook?

mickey said...

Ugh. Can you imagine being presented with your first BF, and told, "That is your husband, for life!". Shudders!

Andrea said...

"roddma said.. It's bothersome when moms are telling future wives their son's favorite meals, like Jeremy."

Totally agree. My Mother in Law once gave me a note book / cook book type gift, complete with some "family favorite" recipes already written in. I nearly throw it across the room. I've never expressed an interest in preparing meals, so yes, I thought it entirely demeaning. My husband does all the cooking!

lisa mc gins said...

i thought jinger could cook. one time they showed her baking bread? I think she would be better than jesse.

gen said...


Rodma wrote: It's bothersome when moms are telling future wives their son's favorite meals, like Jeremy. Excuse me, but guys should learn to cook their own favorite dishes. Better yet spouses should learn each others' fave dishes. Ben could have learned to cook his own apple pie. There have been several famous male chefs.

There are still a lot more male than female chefs. Female chefs have a very hard time breaking through in that very rough indursty. Now that I think of it, it's a pretty weird contradiction that chefs are mainly men but that there is still a lot of expectations from society for women to be the cook for the family.

mickey said...

I think that was just for "show", something on TLC, to make them look like they do something worthwhile.

Aunt Bea said...

I think that Jeremy is more qualified to be a high school PE teacher and coach than he is a preacher. I still would like to know what formal training he has, if any.

roddma said...

"When I see my friends & neighbors heading out to work so early in the morning that's it's often pitch dark, all I an think of is how these Duggar kids have been taught that there is another time zone & it's called "Duggartime." What a disgrace to let them loll around in bed for half a day when there are so many hard working people that have been at work for hours"

IMO it doenst matter the time of day of the work, it's the quality. Some people work evenings and shift work. It isn't all 9-5. Getting up at daybreak doesn't mean you work more efficiently. Just because a person sleeps all morning doesn't mean they've been lazy all night.

That's especially true if you're self-employed. I freelance write myself often until wee hours. I have to grab work when it is available and sometimes it's not based on what schedule I like. So when you're asleep at what you think is normal time, someone may be working for hours while you sleep. The thing is these kids have no clue about shift work or any schedule.They may have gotten up early for some TV interviews, but it's not the same. .

mickey said...

A lot of children who are homeschooled end up self employed. Which may be good, or not. It would be interesting to see a comparison of earnings from homeschooled children to those who go to regular school.

From what I have seen, parents who homeschool are a different breed, and don't usually follow norms of society. One boy I met, never wore shoes, or a suit, and had no inclination to wear shoes, aside from flip flops.

Big kite said...

There are may home schoolers who get great educations and do fine in the real world working at all kinds of jobs. But the Dugger kids are NOT typical home schoolers.

They are Gothard's and were taught from a very limited curriculum. Add Michelle's poor preparation as a teacher, and her lack and seriousness about education, and it's not surprising that these kids don't have many employment options beyond fast food.

One thing Jim Bob did teach them well is how to accept money for entertainment value, if you can call it that.

Aunt Bea said...

We have to remember here, that the "Duggar homeschooling" is an insult to the real homeschoolers out there..please know that most posters here are aware that you dedicated parents who actually homeschool correctly are NOT included in our comments about this family's "homeschooling".

Heart in Florida said...

I find it a contradiction (yet again) that the Duggars state their belief system dictates that the mother is to home school the children. Michelle hasn't done that in years. Farming it out to Jessa was bad enough, she ISN'T their mother, and now hiring Tabitha Paine, as a homeschooling teacher? She isn't even related to these kids. Michelle obviously does nothing around there. Her travel itinerary is proof of that. Any mother with the amount of younger children who still need a mom around would never have time to travel half as much as she does. Jana should have received the mother of the year award.

You can dream on about Jinger and has bobbed hair do and pants suit. It'll never happen. We had hopes for Jill with Derick and Cathy's influence, but look what happened to that. I don't think anything will change for Jinger but her address.

I also find it curious if Derick wanted to bolt out of Duggarville, he didn't have to leave the country and pretend to be a missionary. He could have transferred or applied for other accounting jobs in this country. No need, IMO, to have taken Jill out of the USA. He doesn't seem to be a planner at all to me, I think he lives on the spur of the moment, which isn't so good in most instances when you have a wife and a baby involved. I think both Jill and Jessa are somewhat disappointed in their "men".

Heart in Florida said...

I find it such a waste of Jana that she has never stepped foot out of that house herself. I also find it quite short-sighted and selfish of her parents for not suggesting she employ herself as a teacher's aide in a Christian elementary school.
She would benefit from such an experience. This grown woman has NO independent thought. It was evident to me when asked on the show how she saw her life in 5 years, when she would be a 31 year old woman! She shrugged her shoulders, her eyes widened, like she was never asked that question EVER. She had no ambition, hope or dream for herself. Her parents surely have done a number on her and her siblings...how can they be looked at as model parents by anyone, I'll never know. I also doubt that "terrible influences" will be confronting her in a nice Christian elementary school out there.

Meme said...

On the DUGGARS IN THE WILD thread some of us were discussing how Michelle seems jealous of her daughters (JimBob seems jealous of their sex lives, but that's another story). From duplicating the Jessa-kissing- Ben photo to having her wedding dress displayed at the girls' weddings, what is the deal? I seem to remember how Michelle would get ahold of a microphone during a reception and strut/stroll around, talking about the Duggar family. That's the thing about the Duggars. They expect people to COME TO THEM. They think of themselves as some sort of American royalty - Jeremy's family (and Derick's, Anna's and Ben's) are supposed to be tickled pink to sit with this family as JimBob states his expectations and demands. Anyway, Jimbob is completely out of his element here and doesn't quite know what to do with his starry-eyed daughter. Much as Jinger gets on our nerves with the "babe" and "my guy", let's all take a moment to appreciate how her daddy's pupils constrict every time she utters the words. I don't care WHAT Michelle says about this situation being "hard on Daddy", it is NOT normal for her husband to be so obsessive about his grown daughters! (Michelle, you are so utterly clueless).

What will we see at Jinger's wedding? Maybe a photo of JB in a soccer suit and Michelle in her old cheerleader uniform.

laura said...

Of COURSE jinger loves Jeremy! He is a good looking, confident MAN who spouts the same BS she's been hearing her while life, pays indivuiduak attention to her and will be removing her from chaos to the pedestal of marriage that her parents and sisters say is the Best. Thing Ever. Besides God and babies.
I saw the little bouquet of flowers he gave her. It looked like an afterthought a producer shoved into his hands at the last second. Not to be mean but it was a sad and pathetic bunch and jinger is, well, insert your choice of adjective here because all of mine are not so nice.
I actually tried watching the meet the parents show. The app does not work on my phone or kindle.
And now another child is brought into the food to destroy.
Money must talk baby.
There are a couple comments iyn here about how Jeremy, a mature almost 39 yo is after jinger a childlike, uneducated brainwashed virgin cult member who can be easily dominated and will pour unending adoration on him for whatever crap spoews out of his mouth.
This guy is NOT rescuing her. He will keep her down.
She says she LOVES Laredo and has heard so much about it? Bwahahahahahahaha what an -----!!. I don't feel sorry for these people. They live in lala land.
Also if Boob(heard that one, loved it) seems to be having a problem with the situation, how is he letting it continue on then?
The new husbands MUST see there is something very creepy about boobs obsession with his childrens sex life. How I wish the girls would becomes aware of themselves as individuals and of life in general.
Of course mary duggar moved out. She's old and heck, would you want to live there if you didn't have too, an unpaid, unappreciated slave? Even if I think she had a lot to do with King Boobs extreme dysfunction, she musta realized there is a limit to stupidity.
So many questions. Everyone is making very good points here. How can they be so blind? Oh well. We get ourselves all up in a tizzy but they LIKE being like this.

Meme said...

I forgot to add this to my last post. Gen, you were incredibly insightful and accurate when you were addressing the sexual environment (my words) in the Duggar home. You said, "they put so much EMPHASIS on something they try to DE-EMPHASIZE." Kudos, bingo, hallelujah and a-men! Truer words were never spoken. This is precisely what has led to the contradictory, sexual dysfunction within that home. Telling your kids "no" and then sticking out your tongue (as you hump their mother) and saying, "you can't do this yet," is a cruel, mixed message for children. It's like putting a candy bar under a kid's pillow as you say, "don't eat this."
Eventually, you wonder WHY your parent would do such a thing. I believe this behavior is partly to blame for what happened with Josh. It may even be part of the reason that Josh doesn't feel as remorseful as he should. (I may be stretching it here). But I wonder. After seeing how possessive and jealous JimBob is with Jinger, I wonder. Sumpin' ain't right in Tontitown.

mickey said...

How long do you think TLC will keep this show going? I am surprised it got another season.

What will the family do when the show is over?

Personally, I would never want to be on reality tv, no matter what the money is. And I don't think it is very good for children.

Cindi said...

Re:roddma's comments. I never meant that people that are up with the birds leaving their homes to go to work in the pitch dark hours of the morning are any better than people who work different time shifts. I myself worked for yrs. the night shift as a nurse. My hours were 11pm to 7am. Which meant I had to leave my home by at least 10p.m. & arrive at the hospital at least a half an hour before I was supposed to start work. Nurses must receive a report on every patient on their floor & it's time consuming. So I'm just trying to make a point that anyone in this day & age that lets young kids & teens stay up half the night then sleep in until noon are setting them up for failure if they are ever allowed to go out in the world & work for anyone else but daddy duggar. When I arrived home in the morning I would be exhausted & ready to for bed, but thought I should throw a wash in (not having a grandma Duggar to help) Then I'd start to clean up the kitchen from the breakfast. At some point I would realize "oh the kids have dental appointments after school, or soccer practice or the many other activities kids have after they get home." So knowing that I would have to be up & ready to drive my children to their appointment or activities, I would decided I'd better get some sleep which was usually no more than 4 hours. I hated working those hours, as I always felt like I was in a fog but I did what I had to do to support my children. Oh yes I had a wonderful hard working husband too,I didn't mean to say I did it all by myself. But we were always like two ships passing in the night. This is why it infuriates me when I see these lazy Duggars, both the parents & the kids. I'd like to see Michelle put in the hours I did. Oh yes Michelle doesn't think anyone should work on Sunday, remember Josh had a sign on the door of the car lot "closed for worship." It was also the reason she didn't want John to become a pilot because he would have to work on Sundays &leave his family. Who did she think took care of Josie during the night shit at the hospital? I did what I had to do & I don't regret it in my old age. Between my hubby & I we were able to put our two children through college with no student loans & they are successful in their careers. You do what you have to do once you bring children into this world.

Susie said...

The nail art gift from Jinger was geographically upside down. Michelle could not even teach her children where Arkansas is located! What a mess!

Willow said...

You are so right Susie. Lol. Just like Tori Bates didn't know Florida was South of Tennessee and Alyssa Bates didn't seem to know which direction east and west were. Its mind-boggling - or is it that bad in public schools now days? I don't think for a minute that it is due to homeschooling per se, but due to the fact that the Duggars and Bates just have so many children they cannot adequately educate them, even with help. (Plus, they just don't think it is important to know these things). Lol. JMO.

Cindi said...

Just wanted to make a correction & say I'm sorry for misspelling this word.I wrote who did Michelle think took care of Josie during the night shit. Of course, I meant night shift Sorry.

lisa Magines said...

I personally would love to know how josh could support his family? were are they living? if they should do a show do one were josh comes forward telling his side of the story would love to know what he has to say. instead of anna always doing the talking and protecting josh.

Always said...

Re:Grandma Duggar moving out of Jim Bob & Michelle's house. I think it was a case of the right time & right place. Grandma Mary & her husband only moved into the Duggars when he was critically ill & dying. Michelle was always going on about how they invited them to stay with them in their home while he was ill, because they could help Grandma with his care. Did anyone ever see Michelle do anything to help with his care, i.e. helping change his bed, fix him something he might be able to try & eat? I have no idea why Grandma stayed on after his death & became a workhorse doing Michelle's work. I am sure she did more than just the laundry. Now Deanna is alone as her husband has left & Amy is married & living in her own place. I'm sure Grandma is enjoying the peace & quiet. She can probably watch the huge TV Deanna has, we saw it once when the Duggars were visiting, they also had cable. Grandma Mary had a small black & white TV in her room at the Duggars. I'm sure she can enjoy reading a book or getting back to her knitting that she always said she enjoyed. She & Deanna can enjoy having a quiet dinner & then enjoy whatever activities they want to in the evening, since there won't be 7 or 8 loads of laundry to do before bed.

Lia said...

I like this of little Izzy and Jill doesn't talk so babyish. Poor Derick
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/jill-jessa-counting-on/counting-on-videos/special-dinner

Meme said...

Well, Cindi, it WAS a room full of diapered babies :)

Etha said...

http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/jill-jessa-counting-on/counting-on-videos/john-david-helps-josiah/

I think John is much smarter than poor ol' Jum Bob.

Big kite said...

I have not seen anyone post on here regarding the picture of Anna shopping where one eye appears to be bruised and her lip is busted.

I hope these are not signs of abuse but it is something to keep a watch on; it's the prudent and responsible action to take note. Remember the pornstar reported that Josh was rough during sex.

Pam said...

At least JD sounds intelligent and doesn't say, "like" every other word. He has to be smart enough to teach himself the info required for a CDL and private pilot's license. I think all the Duggar children are capable and smart enough to learn. They just have never been taught properly.

Pam said...

OK, I will give credit when it's due. Izzy is cute, and he seemed happy. I liked the craft too. Jill even talked like a grown up and didn't say, "like".

too bad,so sad said...

Willow- Geography! You talk as if the Earth was a sphere. Think about it, the Earth is flat just like it says in the Bible. So, who knows if Texas is east, west, north or south of Arkansas. LOL! Just kidding.
No, really. To my amazement I found on Google that people right now in 2016 believe that the Earth is flat. I have no idea what the Duggars believe. I doubt that the Duggar Academy focuses heavily on geography, secular history, real science and the scientific method, critical thinking or advanced math.

Pam said...

Do you have a link to the pic? I haven't heard about it.

gen said...

I looked at the picture of Anna. I'm really not sure those are bruises. Like they say in the article the lip looks like a cold sore and the eye... it could only be a shadow.

If those are bruises, they're a few days old.

But Anna sure has lost weight though. Maybe it's just because she hasn't been pregnant in a while.

She deserves better than what her family and her in-laws have given her. Sad that she didn't take a cue from he brother Daniel and her sister Suzannah, and carved a life out of this mess. In fact now that I think of it other than Priscilla, all the other siblings we've seen are pretty close to being fairly average, at least more than the Duggars. As for Priscilla...

http://www.inquisitr.com/3519756/anna-duggar-appears-to-have-black-eye-busted-lip-in-new-picture-what-went-down/

Just saying said...

I agree that the Duggar academy doesn't focus on the subjects mentioned. So exactly what do they focus on? I guess all you need in life is a knowledge & understanding of the Bible. Unfortunately it's the understanding that's lacking in that family. For all the Bible study they say they do, it's amazing that Jim Bob can't pronounce most of the words & will pass the Bible to a small child & ask "now what does that say" & he attended Christian School.

Ridiculous said...

Your correct Pam re: the Duggar kids being capable & smart enough to learn, they just haven't been taught properly. How can they be taught properly when their teacher is a mother with a high school education who married at a young age& follows whatever her husband tells her to do. Their dad isn't involved in their schooling at all. She goes around all the time telling those kids "you can learn anything you want in life because all your life is a learning lesson. Now that might be true in some families but not in this one. They have never read any classical books or learned about history or geography. After all if you're going to be a missionary all you need is your Bible & your good to go & teach others.

Aunt Bea said...

Re: Anna and her recent photo in question: Some of us are saying she looks like she
has a cold sore. Isn't a cold sore part of the herpes virus? If this is so, Josh may have passed something on to her after all. I looked at that photo myself and her left cheek sure does look bruised. I'm not saying it was abuse; she could have hit her face
on anything for that to happen....but the cold sore, if that's what it is, well, we're looking at Josh-U-a.

mickey said...

That literally makes me ill. I have no doubt that JimBob and Michelle would completely ignore any signs of abuse.

mickey said...

Just go to the "Creation" museum and the "Ark" adventure. That is all you need to know. World according to Gothard et al.

Sue said...

Not getting a GED ensures they cannot go to a community college. Their parents do not encourage going to college. Joseph went to Crown for 1 year. The Bates encourage theirs to go to college. The Bates parents are college educated. I would like to know how many of the Bates kids earned a GED. I also find it disturbing that the Duggars do not go to church but claim that they are religious. I believe getting to a church is too hard for this lazy bunch.

Elspeth said...

We have to remember the photo of Anna shopping with the Duggars was posted on the Duggars' own Facebook. They would never post photo evidence of Josh abusing Anna physically.

Willow said...

The Duggars supposedly have their own church. I know we have seen pics of it over the years. Remember the one with black plastic on the windows? Now I am wondering, is Jim Bob the "pastor"? Does he preach every Sunday, or even lead discussions? If not, who does? I just cannot picture Jim Bob being able to do this. Gil Bates, Jeremy, or even Derick, yes; but not Jim Bob. I guess we all know the reasons they don't go to a real church, at least not full time. (Wonder what time their church starts on Sunday mornings?) :)

Gen said...

You can get a cold sore by other means than sex.

From the site Medical News Today:

Most cases of cold sores are a consequence of infection with HSV-1 (herpes simplex virus type 1). Infection with HSV-2, usually resulting from oral sex with a person who has genital herpes, is a much less common cause of cold sore outbreaks.

HSV-1 is typically passed on in early childhood when a child is kissed by a person with a cold sore. Shared eating utensils, bathroom items, such as towels or razors, may spread the infection. The virus makes its way to the nerves and lies there dormant until some trigger activates it later on.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/172389.php#what_causes_cold_sores

It could still be josh though.

Smart can be learned said...

Not getting a GED ensures they cannot go to a community college.

Not true. Community colleges exist in large part to help "non-traditional" students achieve a college education. Most CCs require a placement test, and if you are not ready for college-level work, you may have to take preparatory classes before being allowed to take college credit classes. That said, most CCs have excellent support systems for their students who really want to learn. Plus they offer a wide variety of programs, from traditional academic to vocational tracks that lead to certifications or licensing. A CC would be an excellent choice for someone who is poorly or under-educated to begin serious studies.

Elspeth said...

The Duggars gave up their "church" when the Josh scandal broke spring, 2015. They now usually go to Cross Church or keep to themselves.

Heart in Florida said...

That Duggar "church" with the windows blacked out was disbanded from dwindling attendance a while ago. A more recent photo showed that they're back to having church at the TTH again. How could anyone see Jim Bob as any type of pastor or preacher is beyond me. He's just not qualified...even not qualified to be a homemade/self-proclaimed preacher.

Aunt Bea said...

So, they have all this money for a number of plane tickets for a wedding planning trip; Israel included; but somehow, no money for a decent wedding reception for their guests AT THE CHURCH. Hosting a barbecue/party at your house for your 'real friends' after the fact; when the bride and groom aren't even there is in poor taste if you ask me.

roddma said...

I disagree the-Bateses encourage college, at least not to earn a full degree . I recall Erin turning down a full ride to UT Knoxville. It caused an uproar and then she was in Crown. Many Quiverfull/Patriarchal types go to college in approved studies, and usually it's unaccredited. What the Bates vs Duggars allow is beside the point. They both allowed their kids to be around a known child predator.

roddma said...

I read a post on the "Counting On " Face Book page from a former church member who attended Jeremy's church. She got disciplined, and she is not allowed ot be around church members. Two magazines contacted her about revealing their strict rules but she wouldnt give them any info. They have no right judging anyone or telling them who to be around. I gave my opinion along this line.

lisa mc gins said...

so joy said that after high school all she will be doing is helping taking care of little children? anther said case. this should be a great time in her life going off to college and learning a lot doing for herself. instead she is playing nanny to her mother who does nothing. how sad. crying for this girl. and now all the sudden they show a kitchen garden and Jana takes care of it this girl does everything. hope her and joy runaway. they deserve to live their own lives.

coleen said...

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/photos/pb.510067475793573.-2207520000.1474509726./890792217721095/?type=3&theater

This is the photo of Anna everyone is questioning.

Smokey said...

How can they Duggar parents feel good about themselves knowing that there is going to be generations of Duggars living in poverty or on welfare because they didn't educate their kids properly or teach them work ethic? Sure there is TLC money now but it is not going to last forever. The parents really need to sit down and think about what they are doing to their children. Stop with all the baby talk. There is nothing wrong with having just a few kids or even deciding not to have any children or even deciding to stay single and pursue a career. They have done a disservice to all their children and the grown up kids seem to be following their path. I wish someone in that family would wake up, break away from the fold, do something different. I am not impressed by all the wedding and babies. I don't even watch the show anymore. Jim Bob and Michelle are the most selfish people I have ever heard about. They are not parents of the year. They are some of the worst parents.

Meme said...

Smokey, speaking of worst parents...I was recently told (by a friend of a friend of the Duggars) that the Bates and Duggars don't socialize as much as they once did. There can be many reasons for that, no big deal. But. What do we think of a father (who supposedly was part of the original group involved in planning Josh's rehabilitation) who allows his daughters to be around this boy for several years after the fact? Not only be around him, but participate in family sleepovers with him, knowing what he'd done to his own sisters? Remember all the overnighters at the compound? Or in Tennessee? Children sleeping all over the place - couches, buses, bunks, sleeping bags on the floor? Doesn't say much for Gil and Kelly Bates.

Sharon said...

There is no reason to believe Gil was involved with the original dealing with Josh. They took him before their church which was in Arkansas.

sandi said...

I'm not sure the Duggar's had even spoken to the Bates very much,before they came on the show.I think it was tlc's idea to have them on.
I recall JB saying the last time they saw them,all the kids were little

Carol said...

The Bates kids go to college, play team sports and some can articulate what they want to be when they grow up. Not so in Duggarville.

They need college!!!!! Not online college----real college----go to classes---interact with people outside of your family.

Do not show adults playing musical instruments at the first year, beginner elementary age level. It is disturbing and shows how stunted they are.

Meme said...

Thanks for responding, Sharon. It makes me feel a little better about Gil. The piece I read implied that Gil had known about Josh and had been involved in the decisions, etc. I was disturbed by the thought of all those little Bates girls being around Josh.
My ex brother-in-law did what Josh did so I'm hyper about keeping children protected. Parents, there are NO safety measures that will protect your kids in a situation like this - nothing works except distance.

Stephanie said...

I noticed that too. Why did she have the states upside down? And Jeremys reaction to that was funny. He thought it was as good a Michelangelo, he's definitely in love LOL

Tanna said...

https://www.facebook.com/volunteer365/
Volunteer work in places like Fiji. I wonder if this is the type of places The Duggars look for.

Mary said...

nit seeing the bates family anymore. I think Gill bates woke up. They would come to duggars house and do all the work/ The duggar boys including Jimboob would sit around and watch.
mar

Elspeth said...

You won't be seeing the Bateses on the Duggar show any time soon. They have their own show on a different network. Contracts probably forbid their appearance on TLC.

Esther Cushing said...

Saw the photo of Anna. She definitely has a blistered "cold sore" blooming on her lip.

roddma said...

Since when do the Bateses play team sports? I looked this up and read Gothard had counseled young women for the'sin' of playing sports, so I doubt they are allowed. I guess it meant team sports. As I said, Only two or maybe three Btaeses have attended college, no degree that I know of, and non accredited at that.

I don't think he was on the board at the time of JOsh molesting the sisters, but he was named on the lawsuit filed by former ATI women.Anyhow hwo could parents of either family allow their kids around GOthard knowing the history? Thats why I say the Bateses seeming to allow a little more doesnt mean a hill of beans given their association with ATI.

Neverland said...

When reading Meme's comments about the Bates children sleeping all over the place-couches, buses, bunks, sleeping bags on the floor. The same thing s true for the Dggars in that great big house. It's one thing if it's some type of sleepover, for one night but they do it all the time. Didn't Michelle ever learn that children should be put into a bed to sleep? A bed with a good mattress, clean sheet & clean blankets. Also those pillows should be reserved for the bus & traveling with a good pillow for their bed at home. I recently had a guest here overnight, the first thing she said to me the next morning was "I could tell right away that those sheets had been dried outside on the close line." At the Duggar home I have never seen them wash sheets or blankets, just what the kids can handle with clothes. I remember back before Grandma Mary became the laundress & Hannie & Jackson were doing the wash under Michelle poor directionns.

Opie said...

All of the Bates kids are encouraged by their parents to go to college for at least 1 semester and then decide if they want to continue. Most have continued and graduated. A few have decided to go another direction. I think with these Quiverfull cult families, they all need to attend classes at a college. They need to meet people their own age, experience diversity and grow socially. Online classes should be reserved for catch up or summer school only. Joseph Duggar attended college for 1 year. The Duggar boys/men will never grow up. They will play with their trucks and backhoes and toys and watch their lives pass them by. Their sisters will do their laundry and feed them.

Sharon said...

Joseph took a one year certificate program which was basically Bible study.

Aunt Bea said...

So, Joseph Duggar's year at "college" taught him nothing.

Gini said...

I remember the episode where Hannie & Jackson were being taught to do the laundry by Michele. Again just that one episode. I remember Jackson pick up an item he was not familiar with & kept asking Michelle "what is this?" Michelle kept whispering that it was the girl's "hose." She never explained that they were the stockings the girls wore under their dresses. Just whispering that it was the girl's "hose." Those kids are going to have a really screwed up life in the yrs. to come.

lisa mc gins said...

these kids do not attend college. watch the bates show one of the girls want to crown college and said she would do online studies her sister try and pushed her to go to classes at school. only two bates are very talented. erin and lawson have great music talent. erin bates is a great talent to do pino. all the duggar girls do is do video on make up and clothes. is that they do all day.

sheila said...

I just found another reason to be totally skeeved out about JimBob. I certainly did not need one, as I find him disgusting and creepy and perverted. I was watching an older video when the children were giving the camera crew a tour of their bedroom. This was when there were 10 boys in one room and 9 girls in one room. (I still find this absurd that all their children were in two rooms and were given no privacy at all). While Jill was talking in the girl's room, the camera caught a framed picture of Jim Bob (looked like an 8X10). This picture was of him alone and looked like he was a teenager, as young as what he looked like in wedding pictures. WHY would they need a framed picture of their teenage father sitting on their dresser

misty Lane said...

Wow, a teenage photo of their dad on their dresser.......?? Very creepy.

Heart in Florida said...

misty Lane: I would guess they had JB's photo on their dresser because until then he was THE man in their lives..the one who makes all the decisions for them, takes care of them, and will tell them when they are "ready" for a suitor. The father is the alpha and the omega for these sad daughters. Creepy to say the least.

Willow said...

I remember the episode of the picture of Jim Bob in the girls' room. I agree, SO creepy. At the time I thought maybe he wanted them to know he was always watching them ? The only reasons one can come up with are all creepy reasons. So many young people in their house and never anyone with any sense at all to monitor the wisdom of things. Sad beyond belief.

Sharla said...

It seems to be reminder time again. Cursing, profanity, and vulgarity have resulted in several comments being rejected. Also rejected was speculation on Josh's victims in the past or potential ones in the future. Only people who have self-identified may be associated with Josh's misdeeds.

Sharla said...

Also snarking on the Duggars, Bateses, Kellers, etc. is fine and why we're here. Snarking on other posters is not generally allowed.

Wendy Heusel said...

saw a photo of Josh and Anna on people magazine seems they say is better and doing well? nd also saw that someone said the duggar kids leaving tv. some how I do not believe that one at all. only source on of income.

Michele d said...

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/how-colin-kaepernick-and-black-lives-matter-are-tearing-the-duggar-family-apart/

roddma said...

I still think to when Erin turned down a full ride to UT Knoxville College is an accredited Bible based trade school, seminary, and music conservatory.They still only get to attend a school that suits their belief. Females aren't allowed slacks.Men must wear trouser and collared shirts.They have other strict rules too. They don't sound much fun to me-so not impressed.Just because a kid or three went there doesn't make them better than the DUggars.

Heart in Florida said...

I think that photo the Duggars provided for Joshua and Anna's anniversary is an older one. Anna is much thinner now and her face shows it too. Josh looks like he's been up all night in that photo and had little sleep. I also believe it was inappropriate at this time to "congratulate them on their anniversary....they don't have a happy marriage and Josh was miserable in it...they also still have a lot of repair work to be done in their relationship. Perhaps some years down the line, AFTER they seem to have worked out the issues would have been appropriate..but since when do the Duggars do things appropriately?

Gen said...

Wow, interresting article Michele d. My opinion of Ben went up like 500% (it was so low to begin with there there is still room for improvement there). Not all of it was bright, like when he said that racism comes from the devil and evolution, but some of the things he said are fairly inclusive and compassionate. He's showing a certain ability for seeing both sides of an issue. I hope these traits solidify as he matures.

I didn't expect this kind of reaction from Cathy though.

Sharon said...

Erin was never offered a full ride to UT. A professor there made an off the cuff comment that she could get a scholarship. A scholarship is NOT a full ride. It could have been as little as a few hundred dollars a semester. Erin would still have to applied and been accepted to the university and THEN the music department committee would have decided how much if any scholarship was offered.

Sharla said...

Please do not waste your time writing posts speculating about abuse by Josh.

laura said...

Why the pressure to become impregnated immediately after marriage? That is not what Jim Bob or Michelle did.
I see it as another form of control. The girls are out on their own now in their own homes and not under constant parental supervision.
Maybe babies are another way to be distracted from trying to discover more about life or oneself? Why not have time to get to know the person you truly did not know before marriage? Why no time to enjoy your young 20's. Why extreme pressure about pregnancy?
I have to say this very time but no offense against babies but these girls are still babies themselves and it will be perpetuated with so much focus on babies.
And if babies are their thing then why are they so bad at things like safety, nutrition, education, affection, socialization, etc-all things good parents actually try to do properly
The aimless adults are now an afterthought to the clueless, lazy, misdirected 'parents.'
They are like Limbo Zombies
Poor Jana.

Heart in Florida said...

Did anyone notice that the segment in which Jeremy is talking about the "surprise" on the trip to NY that it was filmed weeks earlier in the pool house in Arkansas. That black metal medallion is on the wall behind him...then they show him in his apartment in Laredo preparing to go to the airport for this trip. Surprise? Certainly not... it was scripted and filmed ahead of time. I also think that scene in the bathroom with Jinger and her curling iron was NOT the morning they were leaving, but filmed on another day; perhaps at DUSK,, not DAWN. Can't risk production problems during taping to cause them to really miss their flights. So fake, it's not funny.

too bad,so sad said...

Laura-I agree but as far as letting their partners learn the person they truly are is a problem because those poor Duggars have never had the opportunity to learn who they truly are themselves. When did they have the opportunity to explore their own feelings and personality. They had to learn to have a "sweet attitude" no matter what their authentic self was like.
Also being proud of not knowing how to be adept in the kitchen or other grown up situations, I remember knowing just a few women like that when I was young. They thought it made them look very feminine. However that was 50 years ago!

marly said...

Those Duggar girls should know more about kitchens as they have asked fans & friends for a lot of kitchen equipment as wedding gifts. What have they done with all of those items? Jill didn't drag it all down to Central America and Jessa has a little kitchen & seems to prefer Chic fillet.

Wendy Heusel said...

that guest house they talked about last night is the old house jill and derrick used to live in? why do they need to remodel it? waste of time.

Elspeth said...

No, it is not the same house.

Cat said...

Those poor girls dont know anything about being good parents because they were raised by their buddy,not JB and M. I still remember the sick smile michelle had on her face as she filmed her injured son instead of comforting him. I wonder what would happen if something happens to jb and M

Susie said...

Just watched the latest 'Bringing Up Bates' episode. Whitney delivers her daughter with a doctor in a hospital and has regular doctor visits throughout her pregnancy. The breech was corrected and all is well. The Duggar brood mares need to learn from this.

As I was watching I thought about how Zack, Erin, Alyssa and Michael are all financially independent from their parents. They are on their own. Lawson needs to move out and stand on his own---and Nathan. They are on track as a family producing independent adults.

In Duggarville, none of the children are financially independent. Josh, Jessa, Jill are all either beggars or very dependent on donations/TV money or Daddy Duggar. Jessa and Ben need to quit breeding and get jobs in the real world and Derick and Jill need to do the same. Josh and Anna need to leave the compound, open a small business and when he goes back to porn and prostitutes, Anna should leave him. Daddy Duggar needs to quit protecting him. The Duggars are a mess. They can't even get to a church on Sunday.....

Andrea said...

Anyone else see the message Jessa supposedly sent to her parents and siblings over text message this week: "So grateful for all of you today! Glad that God has blessed us to be able to work together so much because I love every moment of it. So many wonderful memories. Love y'all!"

I don't for a minute believe she wrote this but rather some junior PR person in New York or LA crafted this to update the Duggar's Facebook page. Secondly, curious to know what exactly they're all keeping so busy with working at? Could it be their TV show because they certainly don't appear to be doing any serious labor or academics.

I think it's been said before, the adult children really have been stolen from. They should all have good university educations and paying jobs, not just sitting around population their instagram feeds and taking selfies. Wonder why Jinger, the photographer hasn't been granted the privilege of a instagram account yet?

Andrea said...

Happy Birthday Amy. Seems like you've really burned some bridges . . . not one of the Duggar cousins or Aunt Michelle, Uncle Dim Bulb wished you a Happy Birthday on social media. Oh well, girl, get to work, the Duggar 15 minutes is almost up and you're going down with them, burnt bridge or not!

Apparently, Amy and hubs have been busy working and there will soon be a big reveal. Surely it can't be filming with another series of shows to come . . . Honestly her instagram feed is just comical in it's stupidity.

Quiana said...

Seems like the Duggars are pushing themselves against TLC executives by trying to cameo Josh into the show. This might the nail in the coffin...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/09/duggar-family-axed-by-tlc-because-of-josh-scandals/

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