Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 8:00 PM, A Courtship Begins (Episode 1)

On the season premiere of Counting On, Jessa and Ben discuss future additions to their growing family as Jill and Derick face hardships while continuing mission work in Central America. Jinger gets ready to take a big step with a special someone!

60 minutes 

1.194M viewers and a .36 rating. 

50 comments:

Michael said...

The only hardships Jill & Dillard had in Central America are not enough donations for them to live on.

Gen said...

OMG, I'm watching the counting down thing. Jessa is so funny to watch during the rap thing. She is totally disgusted with the whole thing and it's pretty obvious. I don't know if it's the rap rap or having never having been in a room with that many people who are actually cool, or the blond lady (she has an amazing voice by the way)not meeting her standards of femininity. I'm rolling on the floor laughing. Now that I think of it it reminds me of that time the family when to their friend's church (the time they announced the sex of one of Anna's babies I think) and everybody was dancing and signing. The entire Duggar clan looked like they wanted a hole to open under them.

Gen said...

Ben working with inner-city kids? They're gonna chew him up and spit him out. They'll spot the country bumpkin fundy that he is from ten miles away.

Jeanette said...

I missed the first 20 minutes, will catch it in a couple of hours. My thoughts:
- Anna looks happy.
- Jinger is definitely in love and they make a sweet couple.
-The guys were much nicer to Jeremy than they were to Derrick and Ben especially John David. None of the attitude that the guy
has to go through them first to get to Jinger. They seemed to realize that Jinger is an adult and doesn't need their "protection",
I was surprised at what a positive episode it was.

Jeanette said...

Also, and I can't believe I'm saying this, Jim Bob dropped the tough-guy approach he had with Derrick and Ben. He came across as almost warm.

Elspeth said...

Maybe Jim Bob dropped the tough guy routine because Jinger attracted a real man instead of the boy Jessa did.

Captain Crunch said...

Yes..I think maybe because Jeremy Vuolo is a bit older than the Duggar boys, & DerrickDillard and BengermanBenSeewald, plus Jeremy was a bit of a celebrity himself, being a former professional soccer player. They did certainly treat Jeremy better than they treated DerickDillard and BengermanBenSeewald. I think they make a nice couple.

Catlady said...

I think everyone changed their attitudes because they were all fake and the Josh trouble brought all the skeletons, dancing to Benjermens hip- hop out of the closet. You cant pretend you are so pure, holiar than thou, when your secrets have come out!

Lillian said...

Jeremy & Jinger courtship BORING TV!

BrightLight said...

I didn't watch it, but I bet the Duggar boys are intimidated by Jeremy. What do you guys think?

too bad,so sad said...

I didn't see the show but enjoy the comments here.

As far as Michelle stating Jill and Derick's only problem was not enough donations to live on just shows how helpful the internet is. Michelle and family could have googled and found article after article written by knowledgeable people from countries in need asking and begging others to NOT come to their country but to donate the charity money and the money they would spend to travel and live to the reliable services in their country. Problem solved.

Ben working with inner city kids. My DD works with inner city families. You need a lot of training and insight and a willingness to listen more than talk and never pontificate. Also, PLEASE for your own sake Ben do not wear the gansta hat with the argyle sweater vest!! It won't be pretty. LOL

TotallyANanny said...

I have a serious question that may sound snarky. I know the Duggars (and other families) believe in courtship as a way to protect hearts from heartbreak. But Jinger is saying how she is in love with Jeremy. So if their courtship was to end (I know they are engaged now, but they didn't know that then), wouldn't the heartbreak potentially be the same as if they were dating and not courting? I understand that courting also is not having physical contact before marriage, but I have several very religious friends who date without contact and they call it dating. So why is courting such a big deal when it really seems the same as dating? Or are the Duggars just relaxing on their rules (there wasn't a chaperone other than the camera crew when they were outside alone)?

Gen said...

I have an honest question. It might be long so stick with me here.

I don't think being associated with the Duggars brings Jeremy anything. He had his own fans before and with the scandal of the last year, it might even be a bad thing to be associated with them. D and B were in a different situation, the scandal hadn't popped up yet for starters. Derrick idolized JB enough to marry one of his daughters (any of them might have done) and Ben is too young to know better.

Also Jeremy has lived in the "real" world. He could pretty much get any girl he wants without jumping through all those stupid hoops.

I don't think he needed this to get his face on TV, there are a few networks (including TLC) who might have gone for the soccer "star" turned pastor schtick. He's good looking enough and he seems to be able to put a sentence together without as many problems as some people who shall remain nameless.

So the question is: Is there any reason for Jeremy to go through all of this if he doesn't really love Jinger?

Susan said...

Oy. derrickdillard is getting scary hairy.

Is he trying to look like Jesus? Cult leader? Rogaine spokes person?

too bad,so sad said...

What do I know? This is just my opinion.

Courting- I read a lot of history. In past times a woman's only worth was her chastity. Once that is gone she had little value. Reading JB's remarks and the Gothard stuff I think this group still believes this. That is the real reason for courting, hands off. I don't think it is to avoid heartbreak. No one can avoid heartbreak. It is part of life. OTOH calling it courting instead of dating may be just their unusual way of speaking, one of those phrases they overuse like walking through, precious, season of life, etc.

Jeremy_ Maybe he had a fan base but no where near the high recognition he has now. And it was instant fame when he was photographed with a Duggar. There are so, so many high profile professional athletes I doubt a minor league, no longer associated with a team soccer player really has a huge fan base here in America. As finding a girlfriend, well she is cute and he says he likes her submissive attitude. IDK I live in NJ. It is hard to find a submissive Jersey girl. Is there even such a thing??? LOL
He is a pastor in Texas. I don't know what it is like there but here churches are having a real hard time meeting their bills, let alone affording a salary for a pastor. The TLC money could be a real welcome addition to his finances. Just guessing.

As far as him having his own show on TLC, have you read the list of TLC shows??? He is just not that abnormal. Maybe he would have to gain 550 pounds, change his gender or become over 8ft. tall or under 4 feet. TLC sometimes seems like the modern version of Barnum and Bailey's sideshow.

I may be way off base with this, but who knows it is so scripted no one knows the real family.

Captain Crunch said...

You know, yes, I would say that they seem to be a bit intimadated by Jeremy, & even Jiminy Billy Bob seemed to be kind of falling all over Jeremy. Maybe a bit star-struck?

Captain Crunch said...

Lol..omg..he needs to take a pair of small scissors and trim his mustache off his upper lip. He had several long pieces of hair hanging down Gross!!!

Gen said...

Well in any case, I hope things work out for Jinger. I kind of like her. She's more assertive than Jana, less childish than Jill and less abnoxious than Jessa. Joy is ok too I think.

JB might marry off Jana in some kind of near future, she's what 27 now? I think it would look really, really bad in their little fundy world if Jana was still single at 30. JB simply cannot have an "old maid" in his family. Think of the shame. Lol.

Pam said...

I hear you TotallyANanny. Not kissing before marriage does nothing to protect your heart. If a courtship doesn't work out, someone will still be hurt. I'll admit one might be relieved he or she didn't go "all the way" if a break up occurs, but otherwise, the heartbreak is still the same. I've never known anyone to say, "Whew, I'm glad we never kissed."

Mindi said...

Sorry to disagree Gen regarding Joy. She was always one of my favorites, until Michele decided she had too much spunk & spirit & decided to break her of that. She now acts as though she is in charge of everything when Michelle isn't there, which is pretty often. She considers herself above Jana & I know that Jana needs a backbone if her life is ever to change but now instead of having Jill & Jessa in charge, she has her younger sister treating her as the Cinderella of the family. Joy has little or no command of the English Language & all that time at the SOTDRT has produced a young woman with very little real education, who thinks she knows everything & will tell the others exactly that. We never saw those kids studying anything but those Bible Booklets. Sorry to say that the same thing is happening, to Hannie, although we don't see it as often on camera but we have heard Michelle talk about Hannie's "spirit" as if it is something to be avoided at all cost. She had such great spirit & plans for her life even as a little girl but when Michelle sees these qualities in one of her daughters, she knows it's time to break that spirit. It happened to Joy & it's not flattering at all & it's in the process of happening to Hannie.

Don't Believe Them said...

Maybe Jinger is really in love with Jeremy but just exactly when did this romance begin? I know as long as I can remember, Jinger's dream was to move to a big city on her own & start a business as a photographer. I don't think many people held out any hope for her to obtain this dream but it was her dream. She never mentioned that her real dream was to marry a minister & move to Texas. I still don't believe she will end up spending a long period of time in Texas, after all they need ministers in AR. It isn't too long ago that the Duggar young women were dispensing advise on courting, engagements & marriage via their book "Growing Up Duggar." Anyone who goes back & re-reads that book of nonsense knows that this was not at all what Jinger wanted. I know people change & often times a young woman will say she will never marry for one reason or another but will change her mind when "Mr Right" comes along. It still seems to me that it's exactly as someone mentioned here on the blog, those Duggar girls are lined up like it was a cattle auction. All the while Jim Bob is leaning against the wall at the auction, waiting to see which young man or boy will bring him the most publicity & help his bank account. I don't believe he cares one bit about any of his daughters happiness. Oh yes Jim Bob we all did see you with your handkerchief out crying almost uncontrollably at Jill's wedding. Nice to see you got over that poor piece of acting in time for Jessa's wedding.

Tori said...

Derrick looks gross. He could at least get a haircut and clean himself up. I think Jill is tired of Central America.

Ben still talks like a vapid airhead. He's too young to be married with one child and another on the way. Jessa is full of herself.

Jeremy seems brighter than Derrick or Ben, but I wonder how the Duggar cult will affect him long-term. Jinger seems truly in love.

Jim Bob only seems to pick "pastors" or "missionaries" for his daughters. Not much income in either.

Anna is a fool.

Guess they're counting on "Counting On" lasting indefinitely.

amy kahan said...

When they were outside during the rain, a couple of the little kids were on the other side of the window watching closely and cheering.

Evelyn said...

It is heartbreaking to see Joy and now Hanna loose their unique personalities and end up like Gothard robots, in line to be a courtin".

Just a thought said...

Maybe Jeremy will allow her to have the freedom to take photography classes. He might not be the control freak JB is. If she is really good it could help with the finances to allow him to keep his church in TX and not have to kiss JB's boots.

I wonder if JB will pay his tithes to Jeremy's church. 10% of what JB brings in is a chink of money.

Elspeth said...

I've never seen anything that makes me think that Jim Bob tithes at all. Most people don't - even those people attending tithing preaching churches. That's why there are so many sermons on tithing. Guilt trips to bring in money is the basis.

Big kite said...

I think that Jinger may be i a puppy dog type of infatuation now. Maybe she will get lucky and it will all work out and it will grow into real love that will last.

life of their own.. said...

I think JB picks TV star material for his daughters. Whoever is willing to be in the spotlight. Their show and real income depends on it.

Jeanette said...

I don't think Derrick looks gross. I think he looks unhappy. In his most recent photo, he's smiling, but his eyes don't seem to be getting the message his mouth is giving. I think he was a Christian who experienced grace and was content. I think being trapped in a family that embraces rules and suffocating legalism has sucked the joy out of his life. He seems to be a great husband and father, but I hope he will find joy again and will break the cycle with Israel.

Just Unbelivable said...

Re: Jeanett's comments about Josh. I cannot believe anyone would think a husband who admits to molesting his sisters & one other girl, even though he was a teen at the time he was old enough to know it wasn't the right thing to be doing. He knew it wasn't right. Also what kind of husband admits he's addicted to porn & has cheated on his wife. He had these accounts that furnished him with prostitutes. Anna could have easily become infected with a number of sexual diseases even while pregnant with his child. People are raised in all types of difficult home situations but they are able to move on as adults & be truthful when they say their marriage vows. Anna has been shamed by her husband in so many ways & yet it's her decision to stay with him. Maybe it will workout for them but you need serious professional counseling & they have not done that. This statement that Josh is a good husband just boggles my mind. I don't mean to offend you Jeanett, I just don't understand anyone who thinks Josh is a good husband.

Jeanette said...

I was talking about Derrick Dillard. I don't remember posting anything about Josh.

Just Unbelievable said...

Sorry Jeanette, I realized that I had made an error thinking that you were writing about Josh when you were actually writing about Derrick. Again my apologies but you know it's so easy to get these people confused with each other. They all seem to do the same thing at almost the same time. Again sorry I misread your post to the blog.

No Way said...

If Jim Bob thinks he's picked "TV Star Material" for his daughters, then I guess we have to believe them when they say they never watch TV. Those are no "Stars" he has for sons-in-law.

Wendy Heusel said...

Jeanette you are so right? I think that is why derrick left for the mission field in a hurry? and that is why Jill is really unhappy? he does not want to be told what to do by daddy duggar and wants jill to grow up? but his mouth still needs work and that is why he is letting his hair grow long and never shaves ?

Just Me said...

Re:Elspeth's comment about Jim Bob & tithing. I don't believe that even one cent of Jim Bob's money goes to anyone but Jim Bob. Remember all those yrs. he had his own "home church?" Now if you or I were fortunate enough to be invited to attended those services, I'm sure we would be expected to hand over a substantial sum of money while visiting. But who would that money go to? Jim Bob himself is my answer. By the way except or the Jubilee funeral & the girls weddings just exactly what church do the Duggars attend now?

Just Unbelivable said...

I don't think Jinger is in love. I believe she is acting the way any girl might act when she's a teen & has her first crush on a boy at school. Remember the girls in school who would scribble their initials & the boy's initials together in their notebooks. That was the boy they were in love with that week. That's the kind of true, deep love I think Jinger has for Jeremy. I still will never believe that all of these young Duggar women who have absolutely no experience with a boyfriend, suddenly know everything there is to know about love & are deeply in love with the man they are going to marry, after not even one unchaperoned date. The only thing they have in their favor is Daddy Duggrs permission to court then become engaged, so they figure that must be the one for them!

life of their own.. said...

Noway~ I didn't mean TV stars/heartthrobs we are use to. Just a fame-seeking average Joe who will allow a camera shoved in his face anytime TLC/magazines deem fit.

Ruby said...

Just wait til Jinger gets out the Flowbee and gives Jeremy a haircut.....his hair will look like the back of a duck's bottom.....like Jim Bob's. Derick stopped Jill from doing this--he has a man bun and Baby Ben looks like he is getting his hair cut away from Jessa these days.

They don't cut your hair----you should not cut theirs.

Elizabeth Ann said...

I feel it is so harsh for Jimbob to match up his daughters with men and then expect these girls, who have no experience even talking to a boy aside from their brothers, to fall in love with his choice. Since they are girls with hormones going on.(even though that is a SIN in Michelle/Jimbobs world) they get all excited at the thought of a "best friend/boyfriend" and before they know it, TLC is giving them free trips to by a wedding dress. Then there is the
wedding....and after that, I feel some harsh reality sets in. I see it in Jill's face and also Jessa....they are stuck for life, with a some boy/man and having babies.And let me say, Anna is stupid for ever going back to Josh. Doesn't the image of the stripper hang over her head when she must do her wifely duties, being available any time of the day or night as MIchelle states. Anna could have left, wrote a tell all book with the help of a ghost writer and been free. But now, she remains there, the forgiving wife over and over again..as we all know Josh is not cured and will be looking for new adventures.

Aunt Bea said...

From the look of things in the first episode of Counting On this season, Anna sure looked pregnant to me. She goes on camera speaking about rebuilding her marriage and that relationship in it. She also has stated that winning the trust back from Josh would take some time. I would think, as a wife myself, that having marital relations with the guy IS THE LAST THING one would do before that trust is won over again. She didn't wait long at all if you ask me. Shame on her for being such a jerk. She is no role model for any woman, IMO.

Andrea said...

Sharla, any idea of numbers? I mean, we know that it's only going to be down from the first episode. Fingers crossed that it's under a million!

laura said...

Just watched Jim(n)Jer's awkward, uncomfortable, insincere, limited vocabular(ied) engagement video. It was embarrassing to watch. Who does that.I remember Josiah and Marjorie's courting announcement video, possibly the weirdest, most uncomfortable thing I have ever seen. Way worse than Borat.
Agreeing with other commenters in thinking she is not in love. She has absolutely no experience with men, normal human interaction, real love, the kind of life that he has been living I.e. out in the real world.
Her experience is with the fanfare and attention splurged on her sisters. The positive attention from someone outside the home who will whisk her away to the best life ever(snort, cough, guffah)
All that glitters is not gold. She is not given her own chances, her own decisions and her own experience.
It is extremely disturbing that the only option for marriage is her expected to 'fall deeply in love' with the first man her extremely creepy father picks out.
And Jeremy using 'over the moon'??? No. How many 28 year old men does anyone here EVER hear that from.
Also they went on a mission together? When? Where? We didn't hear a single thing about it which leads me to believe that is a lie.
And I may be wrong here but was it Ben and jessa said they also went on some mission together before they were married? When? Where?
And Anyone notice how Ben and jessa say they were Jeremy's friend previously but have never said HOW they met? (If they have I, am unaware, sorry)
All these people do is take selfies of themselves. There is nothing to back up these claims.
Same thing with Dumb Anna saying she was told about joshie molesting his sisters.
Uhh like someone else posted earlier-what kind of father turns their pure daughter over to a kid like that and I can hardly imagine that kind of conversation EVER taking place when these people simply push everything bad about themselves under the rug.
How can they baldfaced lie about so much while assuming we actually care that they are pregnant/engaged/getting Starbucks/thrift shopping/praying?
They 'pray' for answers to EVERYTHING? For Pete's sake just make a a decision, how hard is it to live your own life!
Why are they wasting God's time, he actually has much better things to be doing like helping people in REAL trouble, those being murdered in other countries, starved to death, being beat, abused, tortured, etc. But, you know, the duggars don't educaste themselves about that.
No real proof of them doing ANYTHING to help others in CA. How have they changed someone's life for the better. If someone has 19 kids all saying they want to be missionaries and the daughters are marrying 'preacher' (can't stop laughing) then man, they REALLY dropped the ball on this one.
An entire herd of useless humans that are continuing to propagate. Imagine this group in 20 years. SCA-RYYYYY

Edith Ann said...

If Derrick & Jill did anything useful in CA, there would be a endless photos of their charitable deed. All we heard about was the Duggar girls arriving to sing to them and giving the women a bottle of water after a long trek to this wondrous event. They also handed out empty back packs to children & candy. We did get to see many photos of family visits and Israel bundled up screaming, sitting on a blanket near an electric outlet, a pancake looking birthday cake......and the shocking photos of the decline of Derrick. So, fans....this is what you paid for with your hard earned donations to the Dillard ministry.

Christine said...

I think Anna is staying with Josh partly because she doesn't have the career skills to raise four kids by herself, partly because she's terrified of the outside world full of sinners, but also because she thinks she's getting bonus points with God for being the picture of Christian forgiveness. There's forgiveness and then there's being a doormat.

She could forgive Josh without staying married to him. Forgiveness doesn't equal trust -- I sort of remember one of the girls (Jessa? Joy?) saying something similar about Josh molesting them and was impressed by that.

Am I being too harsh on Anna? Perhaps. I've acted like a doormat myself many a time and convinced myself I was just doing the Christian thing and turning the other cheek, and I grew up a fairly emotionally healthy family, not as a girl taught to be a submissive Christian housewife. But she has four kids to think of. What example is she setting for them?

I wish that the Duggar girls were allowed to go to school or work outside the home in regular paid jobs until they married. Then they'd have job skills if they were in a marriage that went sour or their husband died or was disabled. My great-grandfather abandoned my great-grandmother and their four kids. My grandfather was disabled when his three kids were in junior high. My best friend's grandmother left her first husband because he was physically abusive. The idea of women not at least having the job skills necessary to work if they need to is anathema to me. There's nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home mom or a housewife if that's your choice -- not having a choice is horrifying.

No regrets said...

I've been there done that. The first time I moved forward with Christian forgiveness and tried to rebuild the marriage. The second time a fundie-lite minister said sometimes people are just not going to change and it was time to save myself and my kids. That's what I did and I've never regretted it. I don't regret giving him a second chance and I don't regret cutting him loose when he showed that he wasn't going to change. There are some people who slip and spend the rest of their lives making sure they don't make the same mistake. There are others who are going to philander no matter who they marry. You can't always know without giving them a trial. Although if pressed, I'd gamble that Josh is in camp 2.

too bad,so sad said...

Christine, I think you hit the nail on the head with your post.
Forgiveness is a gift, If for some reason it is forced is it really forgiveness or is it just stuffing feelings down and pretending things are okay?
Choice is empowering. I see the way the Duggars live they do not empower any of their children, most of all the females.
Anna's brother offered to take her family in, but did Anna really think that was an option or was she so enmeshed with the Duggar strong hold that she could not make that decision? It seemed like having fireflies in a jar and opening the lid. They still will not fly out. They do not realize they have access to freedom.

Heart in Florida said...

"too bad, so sad"....your 9/2 post are such words of wisdom. You are completely clear about these people, IMO, and someone needs to call them out about this.

Evanelle L. said...

It is my opinion that Jinger and Jeremy never went on a mission trip together prior to the courtship. TLC scrapes the bottom of the barrel looking for story lines....such as thrift shopping, installing a fan, etc. so they would have show this trip on the show. Is this is just another Duggar lie to justify this quick courtship to jack up show ratings? I bet Jeremy contacted Jimbob to court one of those girls so he could become a reality star and Jimbob handed over Jinger instead of valuable housegirl Jana. Jinger suddenly finds a man who says he loves her and is acting like a 12 year old girl with her first boyfriend. Well, it is the first last boyfriend she will ever have. In a few months she will find herself stuck in a marriage & pregnant posting all those hand on growing "tummy" photos.

Willow said...

Jeremy and Jinger did go on one of the mission trips with many others, some time last year. I remember seeing pictures of it on one of the internet sites. There was also a picture of Jim Bob and Jeremy talking to Justin in an outside setting somewhere and also one of Jim Bob and Jeremy talking together at Big Sandy (probably this past April). Jeremy is also in the background of a picture from Jessa's baby shower with Spurgeon. I think J&J did know each other for many months before the courtship officially began. How WELL they knew each other, well that's another question. The official story is that Ben and Jessa met Jeremy at some Christian function in San Antonio awhile back and they became good friends and that is how Jinger met him. The problem is, with the Duggars and TLC, we never know the real truth. I just know about the pictures I saw.

laura said...

Willow thanks for clarification on the j/j mission trip.
It seemed like an untruth and this is an example I should be more careful about facts before I post.