Tuesday, September 6, 2016, 8:00 PM, Duggars in the Wild (Episode 3)

Wilderness training continues for the Duggar siblings following a frightening encounter with a nocturnal visitor. Meanwhile, Jill and Derick celebrate their second anniversary; and Jessa and Ben are amazed by how fast Spurgeon is growing

60 minutes

911K viewers and a .26 rating. 

79 comments:

My name's Jeff Whipple said...

People have been asking why TLC created a stroryline like Duggars in the wild. What is the benefit for the show in teaching survival skills to the older kids. I am not sure yet, but I am sure some transparent purpose will surface soon. However, I did catch Joy say that they all thought it was necessary to learn these survival skills because she for one, wants to be ready for anywhere God may call her to go. Are more kids heading to the mission field soon. Could that be the reason they hauled Jinjer along practically kicking and screaming with her coffee pot. Does she have mission work in her future? Who knows?

Heart in Florida said...

Does anyone find it strange that God seems to be calling all of the Duggar children in to mission work? He also seems to be calling the daughters to marry "ministers". I don't think this IS God's will, but Jim Bob's. It's also all these kidults have heard about. When most of then were much younger, and asked what they wanted to be when they grew up, the top two "careers" were missionary and housewife/mother. What does that tell you about their scope of the world? It is very small and their parents are still to blame. I, for one, don't want to see or hear those parents on this pathetic TV show any more. It's not about them.

Andrea said...

Can we talk about ratings? Last week, 1.055 M viewers and a .32 rating, this week will be far below million. Fingers crossed that they end the season at .5 million views and the show will be done for sure. Unless they intent to end the season with Jinger's wedding in which case all predictions are off. Let's be honest, viewers love wedding shows.

Julie said...

We see Josie 'The Wild Child' in this episode. She will be seven years old in Dec. She eats lasagna with her hands. Jessa tells her to stop eating with her hands and says "that is not the proper way to eat". Josie leaves the table (she is covered in sauce), returns and then continues to eat with both hands and no utensils. She is being carried around by her father and Jeremy and anyone else that will pick her up.

Great parenting Jim Bob and Michelle!

Hello said...

Since when does wilderness training involve sleeping in an RV with electric and wifi access? And then you have Jinger bringing a pillow made from one of Jeremy's shirts, a coffemaker and freaking out because she doesn't know if she will be able to facetime with Jeremy. She is acting like a teenager with her first crush on a boy. That doesn't surprise me at all since the other girls acted the same way. Does she have an instagram yet with her user name being her firat name with his last name yet? It's sad that the Duggar kids are expected to marry the firat oerson that Jboob fixes them up with.

Susie said...

I would think the kidult males that have been through Alert would find this "survival" camp a joke. It is really just a big camping out experience in the woods so that all of the kidults can get a TLC paycheck. Ginger better watch out for all of the raccoons. They will mistake her for one of them. Her helpless female persona is lame. Come on Jinger, really, you can't touch the weiner to put it on the stick?????

Please no more Jim Bob, Michelle, or Grossie Josie.

Preachers gone wild said...

People have been asking why TLC created a storyline like Duggars in the wild.

Because they NEED a storyline. Otherwise there's NOTHING to see here. TLC has to invent something to base a show on. At least camping is cheaper than flying the whole gang to Israel and Ireland, and no one has to watch them mock another culture.

Does anyone find it strange that God seems to be calling all of the Duggar children in to mission work?

Nope. Like, what else are they going to do? Poorly educated, poorly socialized, over religionized - can you imagine any of them holding an actual, every day job in the real world? Even working for themselves, like the towing or real estate businesses JB and M had before they became "stars" on the evil TV, seems beyond their capabilities (or desire). Josh couldn't even handle a small used-car lot. In their minds (and experience), missionaries live in nice places where the cost of living is really cheap, and they only go out when they feel like it to hand out trinkets and water bottles and preach to the local heathens. They're firmly fastened to the TLC teat; the eventual weaning is going to be painful!

Leona B said...

LOL......Poor Jeremy if Ginger can't touch the weiner at suvival camp.

Christine said...

Why doesn't TLC push JB and M to send the kids to college? I'd think that would be a storyline that people would watch. I'd wager that JB and M don't want to send the kids to college because then they might develop a thought of their own and have the means to leave home, but what do they care about more? Keeping the kids from going to college or bringing in the ratings? I wonder what discussions happen between the Duggar parents and TLC. Does TLC ever tell them "X needs to be better behaved, don't bring up topic Y"? On principle, you don't want a TV network telling you how your kids should act in or what you should do with your lives in order to bring in more viewers (viewers like drama. Drama often means unhappy families), but it might honestly help some of the kids. Maybe? Maybe TLC pushed them to get one of the kids to start courting because it would improve ratings? This is, of course, all supposition.

Carla said...

The males want to be preachers so someone will look up to them and listen to what they have to say.....being a football coach will mean Baby Ben gets to strut around and all of the little boys will look up to him and listen to what he has to say. The females are brainwashed to think that being a missionary is the highest calling. People will look up to them and listen to what they have to say.

I used to say run Jinger run. but after watching this episode I now say run Jeremy run!!!!

I agree Josie is a real mess. An adult needs to seriously work with this child. She listened to Jordan but not Jessa. Really, really spoiled......

Evelyn K. said...

Young people must take SAT tests or at least an admittance test to be accepted a community college & have a high school diploma or GED. How could they qualify for college, Christine?
The kitchen table bible verse studies will not be on the test. English, math, real history, biology are most likely subjects foreign to the Duggar children. Also, would a Duggar girl be permitted to attend college alone or must she have a sibling accompany her to keep her pure?The Duggar kidults could learn trades or start businesses. Maybe Jana, pushing 30 soon, could have her own greenhouse/nursery as she's showing an interest in gardening. Of course, she might have to deal with a male customer and who knows what would happen in the greenhouse so that idea is not going to work unless a sibling can stand guard. Their everyday life is complicated with the rules & regulations regarding the sinful outside world.

Just Unbelivable said...

Re:Question:" does anyone find it strange that God seems to be calling all the Duggar kids into mission work?" Well actually we haven't really heard directly from God that he wants all the Duggar kids in mission work. It's actually just something the Duggar kids say when they are asked what they want to do with their grownup lives!

Helen D. said...

Jimbob would maybe be thrilled to have Michelle divorce him. She is menopausal (her new season of life, as she says) and can't have anymore babies. Don't think creepy Jimbob wouldn't be wildly excited to marry a new young, virginal Gothard girl and work on impregnating her as much as possible for the next 20 years. Now there would be a new twist to the show...not the same old boring kidult weddings. It could very be that God will be speaking to Jimbob about that very soon as I'm sure he has many more little Duggars to create and Jimbob's seed is going to waste. What good is Michelle now anyway??? he might be thinking. She' isn't baking, cooking, cleaning or even properly training & raising the out of control last child.

Mrs. Jensen said...

Oh what a thought, Helen, Jimbob smooching on a new young bride in front of his children and the girls delivering her babies. Now there's a show for TLC. Jimbob would have the opportunity to "train her up right" as a wife to do her household chores aside from wifely duties.

Captain Crunch said...

Watching the second anniversary parts with DerrickDillard and JillyMuffin, & Jilly just doesn't look to happy, you can see it in her eyes. Homesick, I would imagine.

coleen said...

per "Anonymous Evelyn K. said...

Young people must take SAT tests or at least an admittance test to be accepted a community college & have a high school diploma or GED. How could they qualify for college, Christine?
9/06/2016 9:05 AM"

Anon Evelyn, I'm not so sure. I saw on the 700 club where a homeschool grad who didn't have a GED, sued the comm. college he was enrolled in when they threatened to expel him. He told the school he didn't need a GED or HS diploma and he was correct. The school couldn't expel him.

Big kite said...

Boycott

1. Taco Bell

2. Allegra D

3. Trivago

4. Varidesk.com

5. MassMutual

6. Trintellix




Bette said...

Run Jeremy Run! Jinger Airhead Raccoon is a clingy, giggly twelve year old with a crush. Get out now before she talks you to death. Get a woman your own age. P.S. She won't touch a weiner to put it on a stick.
Her parents are nuts and TLC will cancel this train wreck of a show very soon. Then you will have nothing.

Wendy Heusel said...

she cannot be without cell phone service for a few hours? ok we go to work and cannot be on our phone for over 8 hours. get a real life? this has to be on of the worst esp they ever did. Jill looks like she has checked out. I really think Derrick loves being in central america?

Lia said...

Thank you for the list of companies to boycott,Big Kite. Everyone needs to be aware that Trivago is owned by Expedia so we need to boycott Expedia, also.

Ruby said...

Helen D--eww. I don't even like to go there. Please don't. That's just too creepy and in-the-gutter speculation.

Heart in Florida said...

That birthday message from Jinger is pathetic. Can she make Jeremy more in to a saint than that? She looks like a desperate door mat to me and sounds like one too. Jeremy is NOT a perfect human being and he knows it. As a human being, he will disappoint her somewhere along the way and he will fall short of her "perfect impression of him". Men don't like to be put on a saintly pedestal by their women, REALLY, it makes them uncomfortable and they know they will fall short. Jinger, honey, stop groveling and thanking him for coming in to your life. You are a woman of 23 who is acting like the totally inexperienced 14 year old you are. Not becoming of you. A grown up man will tire of this admiration and praise quickly. Take this piece of advice from a woman who is older than your mother....and KNOWS.

gen said...

On a scale from : "Please shoot me" to "barely passable", I put Jinger at "could be saved by education" which is not bad considering Jill and Jessa are "Please shoot me" and Jana is "barely passable" (a pity rating really). But I don't know how Jinger is gonna manage as a pastor's wife.

JV my have the job, but she will have a lot of responsibilities and will be expected to behave in a certain way. It will be a rude awakening when she figures out that the needs of the congregation will always come before hers and that the rest of the world lives differently than her family and are perfectly fine this way. I'm not sure everyone in that congregation is pleased with their pastor's choice for a wife, she's bringing the stigma of her family with her and some people will probably be worried that they will try to apply Duggar standards (I'm laughing just writing the words) to their congregation.

If he was my pastor, I would be considering my options right now and I'd probably ask for a meeting with him to try and figure out what his plan is. I wouldn't be surprised one bit he the church lost people, which is something no church can afford. Plus, if Counting On manages to continue past their wedding, there is probably gonna be some filming done in that church and well, I'm not sure it's a good thing.

There is no doubt that for Jim Bob, part of Jeremy's appeal is that he has access to a congregation and Jim Bob will want to be a guest pastor (no, he's not a pastor, but but he darn well thinks he is) and "minister" to JV's congregation. If JV's wise, he'll nip that in the bud before he becomes the laughing stock of the town.

From what I saw of him, JV's father seems scary and a bit cold (maybe it's just a scary pastor act, I don't know) but I would love to see him open a can of Theological whoop a** on Jim Bob. I'm pretty sure that within 30 minutes Jim Bob would be tucked in fetal position in a corner.

Ashleigh said...

Guys you have to understand that the girls especially have nothing in their lives nothing I never see them embracing new hobbies, not able to make their own friends the only way to have freedom is to get married. The only way to escape Jimbob control is marriage.

Essie M. said...

Oh yes Gen, Jimboob might end up laying in a fetal position as Jim Bakker was when he was found under his desk all curled up when authorities came for him if an intelligent person quizzed Jimbob he'd be lost. That's the beauty of Jimbob's cult. He keeps the outsiders out so no questions can be asked of him or the robot programmed kids & kidults so he protects himself and his little kingdom.

Aunt Bea said...

Does anyone know the name of Jeremy's church and what religion is he a pastor of? is it legitimate?

Elspeth said...

He's a pastor because he was named one by the leadership of a church in San Antonio. He did NOT go to seminary. I think it's IFB.

Auggie said...

Jill & Derrick's anniversary stay in a hotel was 'gifted to them'. I wonder if it was by TLC - for a plot line, or if it was a gift from their fans missionary donations? Did I hear correctly, did Jill say the salads in the buffet were a treat because usually you have to wash and cut your own vegetables in CA? Does that mean she can't buy ready made salad in a bag? She didn't answer the question, was she pregnant. She & Derrick are talking about having another baby in the coming year and Jessa, who we know now was already pregnant when that was taped, was also talking about a sibling for Spurg. I'm sure both girls are pregnant.

Poor Jinger. Her behaviour reminded me of my 12 year old niece talking about her 'boyfriend'.

I'm sure Jeremy's church will draw in larger numbers.... for a while. People will be going to check out the oddity that is associated with all things Duggar!

Susie said...

I doubt any of these "pastors" know anything about theology.

Judy said...

So is Jill pregnant and she was just trying to be coy? Maybe she was newly pregnant at the time?

Stephanie said...

Did anyone else notice that when Izzy was lifting his high chair table and turning around and standing up not once did his parents say the word "No"?

Stephanie said...

I think you have to have HS diploma or GED to get into military

Thirty years ago my brother in law went into Army and THEN they had him get a GED.

Jimbob also quickly mentioned what education program they use now but I didn't hear it and maybe it was just for the older kids I don't know. Are they still doing wisdom booklets for the little girls?
I hope Jana and Joy rebel a little on all that cleaning cooking and teaching.

I also heard them say they had to pick up grandma for something. So I don't believe she lives at the Duggars.

I would really like to be a fly on the wall when they talk about Amy and that magazine article. Sure Jou has been banned from being with Amy. Remember that is Grandmas granddaughter also. I guarantee that wedding and article has caused some frostiness between all of them.

Aunt Bea said...

How can someone be named a pastor who has no theological training? Jeremy's not a legitimate pastor, minister or preacher if you ask me. When he "preaches", he's giving his own opinions, not doctrine. He also is NOT educated in the language of the bible, when it was written, and what those phrases meant at the time they were written. When one attends real seminaries and divinity schools with qualified, educated teachers, they are taught the language of the bible. They also, DON"T PREACH THEIR OPINIONS AND PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS. He's not a legitimate clergyman, IMO. Like all of the Duggar things, they're self imposed, and homemade second rate.

Heart in Florida said...

So, named, NOT ORDAINED? Jeremy is such a fraud claiming to be a pastor and qualified at it....he is NOT. Like noted earlier, a soccer player doesn't move that fast from professional sports to "pastor" in the lightning speed in which it seems Jeremy has moved. I'd be embarrassed to call myself qualified. The Duggars and the like, are so full of it. Jinger, you're getting an imitation of something, not the real thing. I don't know Jeremy personally, and I'm not saying that I don't like him or anything, I have nothing personally against the man, but I just can't stand here and acknowledge him as a qualified pastor of anything spiritual or religious.

I would also bet dollars to doughnuts that the store front that "Jana bought" will be perfect for a church that Jeremy will somehow happen to lead....right there in NW Arkansas...can you imagine that?

Elizabeth C. said...

The Duggars prove themselves to be hypocrites & liars constantly. The family is supposedly full of accomplished professionals....concert pianist, photographer, baker, missionary, car flippers, etc. Now we are supposed to believe Jeremy is a pastor, just because he decides God conveniently told him to it one day when he was jobless and working on hooking up with a Duggar girl. What work has Jeremy done for the past 3 years since he was a soccer player? Right, Heart in FLorida, about that store front. I bet God will tell Jana to give it to Jeremy for his preaching but wonder how many people will join the church? I can see curiousity seekers checking it out once to see the Duggar clan live and in action, but not joining. Plus much of the public is not happy with the way Josh will be creeping back into the shows and he'll be sitting in the church trying to portray good Christian family man. I feel all of the kidult Duggars are fame & money hungry fakes who have turned many people off of religion rather then bring them to God....in the Duggar way, of course. Ben & the phony CA missionaries sure had some nerve talking against Catholics and trying to convert them to Duggar/Gothard cult rules. What next with them?? Some of those older boys should be "a courtin" now.....whats up with that? Can't Jimbob get them set up in a real business or are they too uneducated & lazy to deal with keeping a schedule and rising before noon, dealing with money, orders, accounting.....all that goes into being a businessman. I wonder what Jimbob now feels at the site of listless kidults when he was married at their age, working & with a working wife. They are similar to kidnapped children who try to please their captor and make no effort to escape.

Christine said...

About college:

A serious four-year college (including University of Arkansas) will require at least a high school transcript, if not test scores. This wouldn't preclude the Duggars, as homeschoolers, from attending because homeschoolers can write their own transcripts. The Duggar kids probably wouldn't get into one of these schools, though.

Community colleges generally don't require SAT scores or a GED/high school diploma and take pretty much anyone who signs up. Students usually have to take placement tests for math and English, though, so the Duggars would probably find themselves taking remedial classes if they went to a community college. They'd still be able to attend, though. Community colleges are cheap and it would do the kids a world of good. Heck, they could even take non-credit classes, which don't require any sort of application! These are for people who aren't trying to get a degree but want to learn something (like another language, cooking, etc).

The Duggar kids could go to a less serious four-year school like Crown College that doesn't require a high school transcript or SAT scores. Joseph was at Crown for a year and I'm surprised that there were no episodes about that. He doesn't seem to enjoy the spotlight, so I'm glad for his sake that he didn't have episode focused on him. He was also probably doing a one-year Bible course, which wouldn't excite viewers as much as him studying medicine or engineering or anything that could turn into a career that would take him away from Duggarville.

Christine said...

Heart in Florida,

Denominational churches (e.g. Lutheran, Presbyterian, Anglican) require that you be ordained by the local denomination official (like a bishop) to become a pastor. They also usually require seminary.

I'm not sure how non-denominational churches do it. I think for them, seminary is generally a good thing, but not required. You can start your own church without any qualifications.

I'm not sure how Baptists do it -- I'm not very familiar with the denomination. Anyone know?

I bring up Baptists because the Bates, at least, are some flavor of Baptist, and I believe the Duggars either Baptist or close to some flavor of it. There are, of course, many different branches of the Baptist church, just as there are several branches of the Lutheran and Presbyterian church. The liberal branch of Lutheranism I grew up with (ELCA) is the not the same as the very conservative version Michelle Bachmann practices (WELLS).

I also bring up Baptists because my understanding is that a good deal of non-denominational churches -- which Jeremy's church appears to be from my glance at their website -- have some sort of theological tie to the Baptist denomination. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. They may not officially align themselves with a Baptist organization, but they often borrow a great deal of theology from them.

Marla M. said...

Little girl Jinger is in for a big surprise when she must be a wife to Jeremy and fulfill the obligations of pastor's wife at his supposed church. It's a big step from hugging his shirt pillow and texting. She's going to have to grow up fast.

Willow said...

Regarding the Duggar adults (over 18) not working much: I agree that we just cannot picture them actually working hard or long hours at a business, even their own. John David is probably an exception. As someone mentioned recently, Josh did not last long with the responsibility of the car lot. They are just lazy, plain and simple. No way to sugar coat it. In that vein, I cannot even picture Jim Bob doing the office and paperwork required to run a business. Maybe he does, but I just don't see it. I am willing to bet his mom always did that for him. After all, there is no attention in sitting closed up in an office. :). No, IMO, the Duggar family, including Amy, do not have the mindset for hard work unless it is in front of a camera or magazine photographer. JMO as always. Oh, and glad the ratings were so low. I don't watch but glad to see it.

Elca gal said...

Yes. Lutheran pastors are required to graduate from a four year college and then attend seminary for four years, including a one year internship. My former pastor did his internship in Cabrini Green in Chicago, part of Chicago Public Housing.

Heart in Florida said...

Christine: Thank you for your information. I wonder how loosely affiliated the Duggar/Vuolo faiths are from any established real one? If just anyone can start up their own church, how can that church and the pastor be authentic? What are they preaching and teaching?...their own opinion, an opinion that is without education on the subject. I find it quite watered down to conduct things as such. I'll try to find out the name of his church and see who he's affiliated with in San Antonio. Again, thank you for the explanation.

Andrea said...

911K viewers and a .26 rating. Good news! Let's cross our fingers the trend continues. Even their fan blogs are saying how boring the show has become is and how sad it is to see adult children wasting their lives doing nothing. I personally think most of the Duggar children are over it. I mean, having cameras in your face and having to act engaged for stupid staged activities (ie. survival training) sounds tedious at best. That said, 100% rating will pick up with Ginger's wedding and Jessa latest birth, but the wedding maybe weeks of episodes away and Jessa's baby isn't due until Feb. PS Haven't actually watched the show as I don't have cable and refuse to pay for an episode on iTunes.

Rudy Tecat said...

That 911k number of viewers might be deceptive. I was probably counted as watching the show even though I turned it off after a few minutes of watching the Duggar girls trudging through the woods in their little cowboy boots, Jinger looking for a cell signal, and some jumping around in the dark due to a bear sighting. Somebody tell me: did Joy get eaten by a bear?

Susie said...

Jim Bob has said that Jana keeps the books for his business. It is well known that Anna was the one that rescued Josh from the mess with his car lot. She organized his business books.

GF Baker said...

Actually he can be ordained. If he meets several times with pastors and passes oral examinations and they meet to pray and decide to
"Send him out" with the congregation agreeing they will then ordain.

Just Unbelievable said...

Re:The Duggar girls in their attire for "duggars in the wild." There was a very short piece of film from one of Joys birthday celebrations shown. It was Joy rock climbing. They showed Joy rock climbing or trying her best to climb a rock wall in one of those indoor places that people go to for birthday parties etc.I remember the episode well. It was Joy's birthday & she wanted to do rock climbing. So they went to the indoor rock climbing place & Joy was dressed in a skirt & had flip flops on her feet. Before she started to climb she was begging her mother, "please momma help me tie this skirt up." However Michelle was busy talking & laughing with whoever else was around. Joy finally got herself together, so her skirt would stay tied & in place & Jim Bob then suggested that they should have a race up the wall to see who would be the winner. You'll just never guess who was the winner...that's right Jim Bob! He took over the activity that Joy wanted to do for her birthday & made himself the winner. The next thing you knew Jim Bob was racing with all of the boys to see who could get to the top of the wall first. What a special birthday that was for Joy, her father & her brothers taking over the activity she wanted to do, leaving her out of it. I know most people don't care for cousin Amy, but in this case she realized Joy's birthday was no longer a celebration for Joy. She & one of the other girls went to a bakery & got a beautiful birthday cake that said: "Have a Joyful Birthday." When the men in the survival activity mentioned that the girls didn't have proper foot wear or long pants to keep way the poison ivy. It reminded me of one of the trips the Duggars went on to CA & the man in charge there, said they didn't have proper footwear for that terrain. Jessa answered back: "Us Duggar girls can do anything in dressed like this." By the way, Jessa the know it all, it should have been: "We Duggar girls can do anything dressed like this." Someday those flip flops & outfits they wear are not going to be enough to keep someone from a serious injury.

laura said...

Gee golly Jeremy will fit right in with this family, all he has to do is SAY he's a pastor, (never mind with all that training, education, certification mumbo jumbo that all the other fools go through to become a professional at their trade), cut to the chase- and voilĂ - he is one.

BrightLight said...

What a bummer for Joy! Way to go J.rk Jim Bob!

Duggarsbegone said...

The Web site for Jeremy's Church is www.gcclaredo.com

Christine said...

Heart in Florida,

The Duggars' church, Cross Church, is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. I don't know how that meshes with their ATI/Gothard beliefs. Anyone from the SBC here? How strict is the SBC about what individual churches believe?

Do you mind me asking what your religious background is? I grew up embedded into different flavors of Protestant culture, which tend to be, to varying degrees, more focused on interpreting the Bible for yourself than Catholic churches are.

Some Christians believe that the Bible is a clearly written book that any person can interpret without a huge amount of student. I recall seeing a comment on social media blasting Ben for taking seminary classes online, because, as the commenter reasoned, the Bible is an open book and you don't need a lot of schooling to understand it. The idea is that God wrote the Bible to be clear so that people didn't need someone else to interpret it for them (this belief is strong among Protestants who distrust the Catholic church, because historically the Catholic church didn't exactly encourage its parishioners to read the Bible by themselves). So, yeah, these people would have no problem with a pastor who'd read the Bible a few times and had read a few books on hermaneutics (methods of interpreting the Bible), but never went to seminary, because to them, that's really all you need. It's a very democratic approach, but you wind up with some pastors who are rather uninformed or complete fanatics.

I remember watching the clip of Joy climbing the rock wall in flip flops and a skirt. Climbing in a skirt isn't a problem. Climb in flip flops definitely is. Shame on Jim Bob for trying to outshine a 13(?) year old (think she was that age) at her birthday celebration. That's just petty. He does that so often with his children, just to show who's boss.

I'm amazed that the girls haven't completely ripped up their toenails and feet going around the woods in flip flops. I would do damage to my toenails when I went around any place that wasn't flat grass or pavement while wearing flip flops.

Just Unbelivable said...

I have to believe that it was an issue for Joy to tie her skirt up between her legs. After all she had to remain modest & she was embarrassed. I felt so bad for her begging her mother to help her fix that skirt so her underwear wasn't showing. However the flip flops were just as much of an issue & brought comments from the people who ran the rock climbing place. I remember one very sweet lady that kept trying to help Joy maneuver the rock wall with those horrible flip flops. They really had sympathy for a young girl either 12 or 13yrs old, who was trying her best to climb up a wall covered with rocks with flip flops on her feet. Joy eventually just dropped the flip flops off of her feet & climbed barefoot. What can you say about a father who takes over his daughter's birthday activity along with his sons?

MayDat said...

Did anyone notice that the RV that they "borrowed" was for sale. In the "It's Official" episode when they are traveling to the survival site they were coming done the road and turning you could see on the front window of the RV reading 1996 35 feet $12,999. So staged its pathetic.

Del said...

Jim Bob has an inferiority complex from growing up and having learning disabilities. He will do everything he can to try to convince people that he is smart. He will make sure he wins at bowling with Mrs. Keller, rock wall climbing, and in showing the whole world how brilliant he is and how sexy since he kept the cheerleader (Michelle) pregnant. He brainwashed Michelle who was a brand new Christian, who looked at him as sooo knowledgeable
So when he told her that her job was to always be joyfully available to him she wasn't bright enough to tell him to get away.

Meme said...

The Dysfunctional Duggar parents strike again. Only Michelle would forbid her daughter from wearing pants for a rock climbing birthday treat. A one time thing...but no. Only J-Butt would decide to show out by trying to show up his own children. And of course neither parent paused long enough to advise the daughter that flip flops might not be suitable rock climbing footwear.
Oh well, let us not forget the most important thing. JimBob won.

Heart in Florida said...

Christine, I was raised a Roman Catholic. I have a great deal of respect for other branches of faith and that all have merit. My opinion is this: if the bible is open to anyone's interpretation, and it's all ok to preach your opinion on it, why then are seminaries, divinity schools and theology classes even necessary? See what I mean. I believe that all who wish to lead others, officially as pastors, should have proper education and training for it. Uniformity is unity to a degree.

I also believe broader than what the Catholic Church adheres to. I am a spiritual person, as I believe that the Almighty God, who I interpret as a "3 person God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, isn't any religion, for religion is an earthly organized belief that is carried out in our lives here on Earth. We also need balance in that. If we all went out on our own and started our own churches and our own personal interpretations, what would we have? Chaos. Who would be in the pews for all of us would claim to be "homemade preachers".
I hope I didn't go on and on with this. I appreciate your beautiful post.

Willow said...

Didn't Jim Bob also try to upstage his boys at Paint Ball Park? (I think Justin?). He is a poor excuse for just about anything. I saw in a clip that he was telling Jeremy how he used to look like him, but gravity took over or some such thing. Jealous much of EVERYONE? He is pathetic and I feel so sorry for all his children. Oh yeah, I think he did a similar thing when they were "Ninja sword fighting" or whatever in Japan. Of course there is the incident of him "showing off" to Ben at miniature golf. Jim Bob is a joke. If he is so into competition, why doesn't he learn a real sport (like golf or tennis, etc.?) and just really be good at it, and win in a legitimate way? Instead, he shows off in other ways. Proving he has no real talent. I'm done, sorry.

Heart in Florida said...

Jim Bob's behavior at having to win at things and making it all about himself shows me that he's a very insecure man. He is also childish. I'm sure he's not easy to live with at home. I feel for the kids; Michelle, not so much, as she's an idiot for putting up with how things have been there.

Ismelda K. said...

Jimbob isn't man enough to compete in a sport with other men. He prefers to bully children and women. What a poor excuse for a man and & father.

Jennie said...

Don't most parents take pride in seeing their children succeed and do well at school and even sports. Jimbob seems to know them down, even in their recreation like paintball. He must have serious self esteem issues to always want to outshine his own children and not allow them a moment in the sun, congratulating them for a job well done. No, it's look at me....I'm the winner. How many of us parents have let a child win at something just to build up their self confidence? And those flipflops climbing the wall...I know of no parent who could stand by and allow their child to struggle on a dangerous sport with improper footwear. Why did the sports place allow this?

JeannieBean said...

Re MayDat's comment about the "borrowed" RV...

No doubt it was "borrowed" off the Duggar used car lot.

I wonder if Jim Boob charged TLC a rental fee for use of the RV?

Marites H. said...

As the old saying goes, "If you have to tell people you're powerful, you aren't." I think that goes for any personality trait. JB was probably not known for athletic prowess during his school days, so he needs to challenge everyone now (especially his children) to prove himself superior. Very obnoxious! As for Joy's rock-climbing adventure, there are some instances when pants can be more modest than a skirt. This would be one of them. I think the rock-climbing venue staff should have banned the Duggar girls from participating since they do not wear safe footwear.

Heart in Florida said...

I don't want to open up a religious training discussion board here about real clergy and their education. My intent was to state my opinion that Jeremy, Jim Bob and Gil Bates,etal, just aren't educated in what they preach to their "congregations". MY opinion is they are lay men inventing their own authority and qualifications, training and education and aren't real true preachers, pastors or clergy. They're overstepping their boundaries in that area IMO.

Anonymous said...

I grew up in a independent fundamental baptist church, most pastors they go to bible college. then they get ordained by other pastors. some go to seminary some don't. majority go to a few bible colleges though. ive not seen any start a new church though on there own without being associated with another church or on the mission field
for Joseph above going to crown they only offer bible based degrees. maybe business or secretary but they aren't like bob Jones or Pensacola that offer all types of degrees

Christine said...

Heart in Florida,

Thank you! You are very kind.

I mostly agree with you about requiring seminary for pastors and priests. There are those who believe that the Bible is a simple book, that God designed to be simple and accessible to everyone. It is an attractive idea, but I can't get behind it, because I got pretty good grades in lit classes all throughout grade school and college and there's a lot in the Bible that I don't understand. So I like requiring pastors to have a solid theological education, but seminary is also pretty expensive. If a pastor does four years of undergrad and then two to four years of seminary, that's quite a bit of money and pastors don't make much money. Is it better to scrap or minimize seminary in favor of getting more pastors in the field? Do we need more pastors in the field? That's the part I wrestle with. I think someone could be a good pastor without seminary -- as long as they were willing to spend a lot of time self-educating and were humble enough to know what they didn't know -- but not having formal education makes it much harder to do your job well.

Del does make a good point that Jim Bob could have an inferiority complex. He certainly acts like he's constantly trying to impress people. The sad part is that most of his claim to fame is impregnating his wife repeatedly, which isn't particularly impressive. His competitiveness with his own children makes me cringe for them. That's just not healthy. It would be one thing if it were honest competition that the kids enjoyed and the kids were old enough that it was a fair competition, but the way that Jim Bob keeps initiating the competition is worrisome. I hope he's better with the kids when they're younger -- I haven't seen enough of the show to know -- because there's no sport in beating a seven year old in a footrace if you're an adult.

Michelle also seems...sort of competitive with her daughters sometimes. Jessa and Jill's weddings were bizarrely focused on Michelle. Josh's -- not so much. Maybe it was because it was her son instead of her daughter? Maybe it was because she hadn't hit menopause yet and could still get attention by being pregnant?

laura said...

Heart in florida-agree with about the grown men overstepping their bounds. in their desire to not truly educate not enough themselves, to truly employ themselves and to truly rule over others with religious oppression because it make them feel powerful and important. They are NOT in this to truly help and lead others. It is a sick game they play. They are incapable of doing anything else. Insecurity, narcissism, laziness, power hungry over the weak, selfishness, oppressive- these are not qualities I would want in my religious leader. They are only qualified to give their own strange, controlling opinions which do actual help others in life.
Christine- yes the weddings are one of the Most important days of these ladies lives. How Michelle lorded over their days is very sad.
Jim Bob is a fool and a tool and he will never change.
As invested as we all are in whatever we think of these people, I think most of us will want to know what happens to the futures of the youngest ones. As times change, they might have a chance? Who knows. Or the indoctrination night be so powerful by this time they might be lost forever. As it is-real life soap opera.

sandi said...

I imagine the rock wall climbing place allowed the girls to wear improper footwear,as they were getting paid by tlc for letting them have use of the place to film.Money talks.JMO

Mindi said...

Re:Jennie' comment about why the sports place allowed the flip flops. I believe it would be their responsibility if the kids were young teens & no parents there but in this case there were adults from the Duggar family & in my opinion it was their responsibility to make sure the kids had the correct footwear for the rock climbing. Another case of not putting any thought in the safety of their kids.

Aunt Bea said...

Pastors and ministers without a real, true concrete theological education, to me, is like having a doctor who didn't attend expensive medical school...they just read some medical encyclopedias..and poof...they know how to treat people's illnesses and conditions. Sorry, doesn't cut it with me.

Mindi said...

Thnaks Sandi, I didn't think of that senerio that TLC had their fingers in the pie for Joy's birthday even if it wasn't safe

Meme said...

Christine, could you please please PLEASE elaborate on how Jill's and Jessa's weddings were centered around Michelle? I remember feeling that way and I am so interested in this. I've been asking for someone to analyze this lady for some time. Love to hear your thoughts about the weddings and Michelle's need for attention through pregnancy. Lately she seems checked out. Thanks in advance, Christine!

Bytheway said...

Meme, I remember Michelle's wedding dress being displayed at Jill's wedding. Right in the church I believe...and of course they had to rehash Jim Bob and Michelle's wedding. I don't remember watching Jessa's wedding to be honest.

Mary said...

Hi

Come on think.. Jeremy has dollar signs in his eyes.. Think with Jimboob heling him he will get his own tv show preaching the bible. The dollars will be rolling in and Jimboob will be there to help him count it and put it into the family (Duggar) account

Mary

too bad,so sad said...

Mary-Duggars need to bring their A Game and stop playing around with the pastor thing and start a tv mega church. That is where the real money is. Even Josh could take part again, remember Jim Bakker? He was humiliated sent to prison and is now back on tv making lots of cash! (yes, I am being sarcastic but I wouldn't put it past them)

LuLu said...

I keep reading the subject of this post as Duggars Gone Wild.

roddma said...

A little OT Speaking of Bible interpretation, it reminds me of what I have read on the AMish. The Amish are to told to read the German Bible than the KJV because it may misled them. From what I gather from ex-Amish, most preachers arent' educated as they don't believe in higher education, and likely don't understand what they preach,or why the rules are to be followed and neither do members.

It's similar to Gothard's /IFB mind control of only using his interpretation. It's a good way to keep the flock under control. No other literature on the topic is allowed since it may open up the mind.I recall Jim Bob tell to tell the Noah's Ark, and he struggled to tell it. I doubt they have ever read the Bible without Gothard's or IFB's interpretation

too bad,so sad said...

The Amish do not send any of their flock to religious education to be a minister. To be a minister is considered a very serious undertaking and not an honor. When they need another minister a vote is taken after a service, anyone getting I think 3 votes then will select a hymnal/Bible from a table. One has a slip of paper in it. The man who gets that hymnal with the paper will be the minister. They believe in this way it is God's will who is selected.
It seems like the church that Jeremy preaches at gives a lot of props to the pastors and holds them in high esteem. I don't have any data on that I have just seen some of his sermons and that is how I assess the responses from the congregation. I admit it may be my bias because I get a proud and less humble attitude from him.
The church I was brought up in a minister had to have a doctorate and had to have served as a minister under a more experienced minister before getting a church of his/her own.

roddma said...

I've read about how the Amish select preachers, and it's not a wanted job. They call it casting lots. Why do something you aren't really wanting to? I guess they feel called from 'God' like Jeremy to preaching or the DUggars feel called ot 'mission trips'.

auntliddy said...

Captain crunch- agree, jilly not happy. And i dont think she is totally healthy either. But of course she has to pretend she isnt remotely unhealthy, unhappy, or dreadfully homesick, but that she's very happy. Its sad really.

Annie Claston said...

God has called Jeremy to marry a Duggar girl become a television evangelist and get many donations toward this ministry which will be much more lucrative then that Central American farce by Dillard.