Tuesday, September 20, 2016, 8:00 PM, A Big Surprise (Episode 5)

Jeremy makes a secret trip to Arkansas, but before surprising Jinger, he and Ben do some browsing for engagement rings. Then, Jessa and Ben give their rapper friend, Flame, a taste of Duggar family life.

60 Min. | PG

Ratings: 1.071 M viewers and a .32 rating.

52 comments:

Bridgitte Waldrop said...

Only one thing I can think to say...bwaaaaahaaahaaahaa. They've got one thing down, they know we'll stay interested in them the more ridiculous they act.

nancyr said...

I predict this episode will have the highest ratings so far this season. The number of viewers will be at least 1.250 M. I think people are starting to feel hopeful that Jinger's relationship with the relatively normal Jeremy Vuolo will have a beneficial, normalizing effect -- not just on Jinger, but on all the Duggars. I mean after all he wears shorts when he isn't even at the swimming pool!

As far as their upcoming engagement goes, I think it would be wonderful if they were permitted to kiss each other goodnight with a chaste kiss on the cheek. It would also be nice if they were permitted at least a couple of hours of alone time together without half a dozen teenaged boy Duggars acting as chaperones.

And wouldn't it be lovely if the two lovebirds were permitted to dance at their own wedding. It needn't be anything raucous or modern -- just a stately, dignified 18th century waltz. No one else need join in. But if the newly wedded couple can "swap spit" at the alter in front of millions of people, why on earth can't they dance with each other at their own wedding?

Liberalizing steps like this would give the show new life and do wonders for the ratings.

Please NO said...

Re:nancr's comments. Your absolutely correct with your suggestions but I only wish people would not keep encouraging TLC with more ideas for the show than they already have on their own. Don't wish to hurt your feelings I just feel that's all we need, just as sponsors are falling away people coming up with ideas for the show to continue.

As a matter of a fact... said...

nancyr, Love your ideas!! You are correct, seeing them share a simple romantic dance would send the ratings skyrocketing!! You think JB would be all for that. And being that it is Jinger, who has an entire website devoted to her freedom(free jinger), that would be even more promising for ratings. I would love to see some real romance, not this, how can I restrain myself from kissing this person I am so attracted to? It is almost painful to watch. They are torturing themselves for what? Gothard and Jim Bob says so? It says nowhere in the Bible it is a sin. Jeremy must know better and maybe he can explain it jinger and maybe who knows, she will believe him, and they will share their first kiss before(gasps) marriage!

Big kite said...

If they do any of the things you are suggesting it would be for ratings only. It would seem disingenuous to me. They might in fact try these ideas but because it would be fake, I don't see how this would be progress.

Aunt Bea said...

Re: ideas for broadcast, dancing at the wedding, etc:
I thought they weren't a TV family. We all would like to see them live a more normal, free lifestyle and loosen up on their silly social taboos, but it won't happen. They "script" this show enough as it is. When it first began, it showed how they live day to day, editing out, of course, what Jim Bob did NOT want us to see or know about them. At least back then, they tried to be real....now, it's just a parody of this family.

Judy said...

I do not get the whole Flame storyline. It is soooo stupid. And Ben just should not go there.

Michelle said...

If the Duggars or TLC really wanted to boost ratings, they should send one of those young adults to a real college or have Jana court. I'm sure Jana's wedding would attract viewers. Shoot, I would watch that one.

Another way to increase viewers would be if Jeremy or his parents flat out went off let JB have it. I would even pay to see that one.

One of the adults finally telling off their parents would bring in viewers as well.

If they are so concerned about ratings, I think those are some things that would get plenty of people to watch.

Jeanette said...

Frontal hug!!

Susie said...

Best part of this episode was seeing Jana's garden. Nice!

Jeanette said...

Okay, two big developments: Jinger said they were on a "date". Also, she front-hugged Jeremy. Good developments!

Captain Crunch said...

Flame rapping to Spurgeon was well, odd...Spurgeon doesnt understand, does he?

Jana's garden was awesome! That is some serious soil-toiling!

Frontal hug when Jeremy surprised Jinger at the Taco Station! Makes me wonder WHAT OTHER courtship 'rules' they have broken...lol.

Anyone know when the wedding is?

Andrea said...

"If they are so concerned about ratings, I think those are some things that would get plenty of people to watch." Michelle, I actually don't think TLC is concerned about ratings. I think what last weeks numbers and likely this weeks number too, indicate is people do actually watch the Duggar's. It seems to me the show will continue indefinitely the only way it's going to be cancelled is if advertisers seriously revolt . . . .which still may happen. Any update on who advertised this past show?

Heart in Florida said...

I re-watched the episode this morning. Did anyone notice Flame full front hugging Jessa when he arrived, but carefully SIDEHUGGED her when leaving? Someone spoke to him about his "shameful" ways. Did they also tell him that Jessa doesn't even hug her own father? Only awkwardly cold side hugs allowed. Disguating. This family is scripted to appear to be more moderate, but in truth, they haven't changed any ways. The guys that JB is approving for his "little girls" so far seem to be the only callers; and time IS moving on. I don't think he wants 5 daughters over 30 still at home.

I don't believe for one minute that garden in Jana's. One person can't take perfect care of it. She's too busy inside to mind such a large one like that all by herself. Time for her daddy to find her a nice farmer to marry...he'd have dirt under his nails the way she likes.

Gen said...

Re: jana marrying a farmer.

At least farmers work! That's a proper job. He would have Ben and Derrick beat by a long shot.

Meme said...

The older Duggar boys take after dear ol' Dad in the "humor" department, eh? John David is unfamiliar with Christian rap - he only knows about CHICKEN wraps, yuck yuck. Just warms your heart how passive aggressive these guys are - they've learned from the master.

Jinger is so immature. She squeals and baby talks and overdoes the cutesie terms of endearment. And I LOVE it! Let us count the shades of red that JimBob turns whenever Jeremy is around. I call BS on this being a "sentimental" emotion of a dad losing his daughter. Huh-uh. Nope. Negative. That man is flat out JEALOUS. It is not normal, folks. Dysfunction written all over it. If they were to elope, as someone suggested, he would NOT get over that. Does that seem normal to you?

Too funny about Ben eating Jinger's taco cause he was so hungry, They aren't really able to script Ben. Gotta love him for that!

Aimee said...

I was amazed that Jeremy just casually called Jim Bob to go buy a ring. It was not the serious "May I marry your daughter...she is a princess...I will take care of her" conversation that the other guys had with Jim Bob AND Michelle. This was just "I am buying a ring. Want to come?" I don't think Jeremy cares anything about the Duggar Courtship rules. I think he just wants to get engaged/get married as fast as possible so he can get Jinger away from all of them and all the rules.

I also thought Jana's garden was lovely.

Opie said...

Someone needs to tell Jinger that you use a term of endearment such as "babe" in private not in public.

Wendy Heusel said...

lets just say that jinger is all over jermery I know for sure that have kissed by now. he is very touchy and does not really want to play by the duggar rulers. I think he is really in love with jinger. they were probably seeing each other while on that mission trip. and ben working part time he is lazy. we know the show is giving them a good amount of money.

too bad,so sad said...

Opie,
Yes, using terms of endearment should be used in private not in public, but honestly how would Jinger or any of the other young adults know? They, as well as many other reality tv kids, have been brought up having their lives filmed by a professional film crew. I think the lines between public and private are completely blurred or completely torn down. I wonder if their reality of their own importance in the world has also been distorted by getting public acknowledgement and praise over mundane things.

Stephanie said...

Jinger is really practicing up on her baby soft talk. She speaks so low you can barely hear her. In particular when Jeremy asked to court she whispers "yes" WHISPERS

Did anyone notice my comment about Izzy at dinner wiggling, standing, lifting his high chair table over and over and neither of his parents used the word "no"? Is that a new Gothard thing?

What a Waste said...

Re: All the comments criticizing Jinger for her use of the word "Babe" when referring to Jeremy. Jinger has lived in a house where Jim Bob uses so many inappropriate crude & disgusting words towards Michelle, supposedly as a way of showing his love for her. You learn what you live!

Aunt Bea said...

It was hilarious when Ben said that Ben received permission from Jim Bob to communicate directly with Jinger. That is ridiculous. So, a male can't even speak to any of Jim Bob's daughters without his expressed permission? I find that cruel, non biblical and just plain unnecessarily severe. This goes beyond a parents' protection of their children...and Jinger was no child. Protecting the younger 4 girls and/or boys is one thing, but his daughter is supposed to be a grown woman, and for some time, now, too.

Aunt Bea said...

Whoops, excuse me, (Aunt Bea 9/22@ 5:34am) I meant to say that JEREMY received permission from JB...

Heart in Florida said...

Stephanie: YES, I also noticed how Izzy doesn't know how to sit in a high chair properly. Why didn't that little boy have some appropriate dinner food in front of him to eat too? I was surprised at the lack of a strap in between his legs to hold him up in that chair, too. He could have slid down off that chair and been hurt; also he could have caught his fingers under the highchair tray he was lifting. I don't think that Jill is a very attentive mother to tell you the truth.
I also found it seemingly rude and uncaring of Derick to have said "I bet before next year, we'll have another kid"...he gave Jill NO EYE CONTACT when speaking to her; and he also used an uncaring, demeanor and used the word "KID", instead of "CHILD" or "BABY'...the aren't goats, they are human beings, Derick, Jill and the whole Duggar family....they all seem to use that awful term all the time.

Smokey. said...

Not impressed by Jinger and jeremy supposedly front hugging. They are just trying to appear more normal to us heathens. Really don't think Jeremy is any different than Ben or Derick either. He is just another person who is going to be under Jim Bob's thumb. Call me skeptical on Jana's garden also. How many times have people posted that the Duggars should have a garden? Now all of a sudden they have one.

E.J. said...

They never needed a garden because Grandma Mary was so good at begging freebies for them they didn't need to get off their behinds to work. Now they have fans who watch them and run up the ratings which keeps them on tv.... And keeps their bank account overflowing.

Heather D. said...

Since Jeremy only worked in a minor soccer team 3 years ago, has not been employed since and is only beginning a ministry, who is paying for the diamond ring?

Just Ridiculous said...

Nobody should be the least bit surprised at the lack of any safety measure that Jill did or did not use for her child in the highchair. After all she's a Duggar at heart & they have never been noted for their safety concerns when it comes to even the very youngest child, except for Josie who they are still carrying around at the age of 7.
As far as Jana's garden goes, when in the world did Jana find all this spare time to plant & tenderly care for a garden of this magnitude? It's just ridiculous to think that Jana, along with the brood of little ones, could accomplish this garden. We all remember the many different times that Jim Bob was going to start a garden so his family would have fresh produce. Anyone else remember they had a "friend again," that lived in town & loved to garden. He was supposedly an expert gardener but he didn't have any land at his place in town, so Jim Bob graciously offered him the use of some of their land & by the way he could teach the children how to grow a garden. It never happened. It was only for one episode of the show.
I guess TLC thinks viewers have heads full of straw to keep running these same themes through theses episodes. They think viewers will say, what a great idea & some have already said what a beautiful garden Jana made. When? Was it while she was watching the little ones, while her parents were away visiting Jeremy's parents? Did she do all the cooking, laundry, homeschooling & care for all the needs of the little ones, while she was also planning this huge graduation party for 3 of her siblings. A party with 200 guests usually requires a great deal of planning & work, although the Duggar boys don't seem to think so, as they sit around the house saying that it normal for their family to have these huge parties. TLC certainly thinks they are dealing with viewers who either have no memories, or could care less if the same story line keeps poping up every few episodes.

Michelle J. said...

Jana the miracle worker!! Jana did not build the tree house on her own with the help of those unorganized, silly children. It was done professionally and engineered to be sturdy & safe by professionals. She did not create such a large garden, weeding, fertilizing, tilling, planting, watering, keeping insects off, etc. It's a full time job with such a large garden. They have someone working full time on it and Jana goes outside to pick the veggies and have her photo taken here and there when her slavery in the house gives her a few rare free minutes to step outdoors. So what is Michelle up to every day?? How does she spend all her free time?

Sharon said...

The garden is not a full time job. My parents maintained one about four times that size and both worked full time and had a family. Maybe Jana is wrangling some of the howlers into being useful for a change.

Captain Crunch said...

Michelle spends all of her free time teasing and spraying her hair into 1980's oblivion.

Deb said...

I disagree about the garden. I have gardens three times that large that I made from scratch. I own my own business which I work at full time and I volunteer at several places. Whether she DID do the garden, who knows. By yes, she COULD have.

Heart in Florida said...

I wholeheartedly agree that these family projects, ie, "treehouse", garden, etc.. are NOT built or installed by Jana. She actually did none of the work for that treehouse. I'm sure they had professional "assistance" in doing it and yes, I think it might have had to be inspected by the county for safety and stability. Once you put windows in, it's a dwelling and subject to county building department inspection. This TV show is a joke at this point.
That "high school graduation" party was also a joke. It was more like Josie's birthday party...kiddie activities and yet again, carnival food; so unfitting for 17 and 18 year olds. Those 3 young adults have absolutely NO ambition for their futures. Joyless Anna will be a household babysitter and the boys will blend in with daddy's business needs and "work" for him...how is that preparing them to be the MENFOLK leaders of their own families like they proclaim their beliefs to be? None of Jim Bob's sons are prepared to support themselves let alone a wife and family; nor do they have the inclination to step outside of the family. At least Josh WANTED to step out and be on his own....we see what a mess he made of that opportunity and of his personal life. They are not parents of the year to be admired and followed, they are flops as parents if you ask me. Infantizing your children is selfish and just wrong,.it's a sin too. We are asked by God to RAISE our children to also be productive, educated and independent adults. Jim Bob and Michelle have failed miserably at these "Godly commands".

Tanna said...

Heart in Florida said... At least Josh WANTED to step out and be on his own....we see what a mess he made of that opportunity and of his personal life.... We are asked by God to RAISE our children to also be productive, educated and independent adults. Jim Bob and Michelle have failed miserably at these "Godly commands".
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Doesn't it say in Proverbs 22:6 “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Jim Bob Duggar showed the world at mini-golf how he trains them.

Mary said...

hi

When was the last time you saw Duggars cook a meal. I mean a real meal. I have never seen fruit, or veggie on a paper plate or someone cooking them Pickles do not count.

Elspeth said...

I have seen the daughters put bagged lettuce and chopped tomatoes on plates and in bowls set out for meals. I'm not saying they eat healthy, but there have been some bits of fruit and vegies here and there. They have had bags of apples and oranges also.

Catherine Hornstein said...

I liked Jana's garden. Definitely possible for one person to do, or with the help of younger kids. The stakes with the veggie names looked like they were producer-produced. Hope it will encourage them to eat more healthy foods!

I also enjoyed hearing them play music together; that hasn't happened for a while.

Curious about Flame. I understand he is fundie in his own way, but not part of the weird Duggar religion. Is that his wife, or his girlfriend (Crystal)?

I looked at Jeremy's church's website and it is scary. Good luck Jinger with the heat, with Jeremy and being a pastor's wife in a storefront church!

The problem with watching the Duggars appear semi-normal is that it is extremely boring. Bring back the prairie dresses and the weird home church services!

Katrina said...

We seem to talk about only the Duggar girls on this site. What is going on with the older Duggar kid/men? There are absolutely no courtships happening. They grow older, sitting about the house with no jobs, school or training. What did Jimbob foresee happening to these kid/men as far as future and all the money it would take to raise big families? How could they earning a living without education or training? Aren't those boys to go forward and procreate, having many children as the Gothard cult demands? I ask this with the exception of the older twin who is working.....but he also has never had a girlfriend at the age of about 25. I simply do not understand what Jimbob is going to do about them.

Just Unbelivable said...

Re: Heather's question about who is buying the diamond ring if it's 3yrs. since Jeremy he played in a minor soccer league. It's possible that he did save what money he made playing soccer, or perhaps he had another job that we don't know about. Maybe he worked "under the table," for someone so that would not show up on taxes. Not trying to defend Jeremy but I don't think he's cut out of the same cloth as the Duggars. In any case he has already done more with his life than the Duggar boys ever will. I think they are under the impression that sitting on the couch in the living room is they way to live. Just a minute & Jana will bring you your dinner, snack, etc. Oh & she has your wash ready but don't worry she'll put it away for you so you won't interrupt your "work" there on the couch.

Aunt Bea said...

I agree that none of the older Duggar sons are able to support themselves let alone a wife and child/ren. John David, Joe, and Josiah are male ultra virgins, never been kissed or touched...Josiah had that brief, highly chaperoned experience with Marjorie, but that's it for them. They have never grown in the relationship department with a girl from when they were 13,14 years old and had the benefit of a gradual growth socially. Such a shame for them, and it isn't normal. I don't think any of them will marry to tell you the truth. Their parents don't give them the opportunity to meet and mingle.

Beau said...

How could a parent approve of a courtship with a person with no job, no education outside of the home and no social skills or maturity? Josiah should have been stopped before Marjorie stopped it and Ben never should have been allowed to court Jessa. Jinger is way too naive and immature to be entering into marriage. Jeremy is in this for a virgin bride but he will soon regret having to raise her. Jim Bob needs to educate his children and grow them socially if they ever want to mature enough for marriage and the world beyond the Tinker Toy House.

Aunt Bea said...

Beau, I agree with your post. I think the Bates sons-in-law are finding that out with their wives, perhaps with some exception from Alyssa's husband. She seems to WANT to grow up and exist in this world. I think Derick is somewhat disappointed in Jill and her immaturity, he must at times look at his own mother and see such a big difference between the two....Ben is being taken care of by his father-in-law, Jim Bob, so he doesn't notice JB is carrying Jessa too, but Ben WILL grow up one day and see what he truly has in Jessa, as will she. Jeremy will soon tire of the adoration and personification of perfection that Jinger sees him as. He seems to have lived a more regular life, sins and all, and has others to compare Jinger to. Is he up to having to make every decision for her all the time? Don't think so.

Perhaps the points in your post are the real reasons no Duggar son, other than Josh, has courted, yet alone married. They are ill prepared to take care of a child-bride-wife as they are still taken care of by their father and sisters. (notice, I didn't say MOTHER).

Meme said...

Concerning what JimBob is going to do about the grown guys.....he isn't worried. This family has been GIVEN eveything - house, food, money, etc. They are as used to that as the rest of us are to going to a job every day. Not working IS their normal. The "kids" have seen their grandmother get on the phone and strategically beg for food. They've always lived in a donated home. And every day they watch their father wheel and deal and take from people who have MUCH less money than he has (millions). When someone gets married they get a free dress and a free wedding. Add in the money from magazine covers, interviews, televisions shows, websites, appearances, etc.

Most of us would DIE before we asked for someone's hard-earned money - we might consider doing it if we had starving children at home. Even then it would be hard. Consider how differently the Duggars feel about asking for money. Jill and Derick want to move? Ask for money. The Duggar boys wanna play at making movies? Ask for money. The daughters are getting married? Make a list of things you want and ask TOTAL STRANGERS to buy them for you. See how ingrained it is? And here I sit, having watched the last three episodes (after swearing off that show) knowing full well that I am contributing to the narcissism. I am not gonna do this again, it stops today! Shame on me!

Christine said...

Aside from Anna, the people that the Duggar children have courted seem less "fundie" or at least "less ATI" than the Duggars. I wonder if maybe the show has made the Duggars less involved in the ATI social circles and if the constant traveling (and worries about security) have made the children socialize less with people their own ages. Sure, they were pretty isolated socially before the show started, but I wonder if maybe they're more socially isolated now? Possible in different ways?

Of the people that the Duggar children courted, Anna was the only one who was really ATI. Are the Duggars not as popular in ATI as they were? Are they less religiously involved now in ATI, for whatever reason?

Also, most of the Duggar in-laws (or potential in-laws) and usually their parents seemed very impressed by Jim Bob and Michelle. Was this because they were celebrities or they honestly liked JB and M? Or did they just appear impressed by JB and M on the show but weren't that way in real life?

Anna: ATI, parents impressed by Duggar celebrity. Mike Keller seemed to be really happy to get one of his daughters into the Duggar clan.

Derick: Seemed pretty normal, maybe he was impressed by Duggar celebrity, since he had JimBob as a prayer partner? Really not sure what happened with him. Derick's mother and stepfather don't seem that impressed with JB and M.

Ben: Vision Forum, not ATI, parents impressed by Duggar fame until the second Josh scandal (Ashley Madison) happened.

Marjorie: Pretty normal, broke up either because the show ended (impressed by celebrity?) or because of the normal reasons that teenagers break up.

Jeremy: fairly conservative but not ATI. On one hand, he doesn't seem too impressed with Jim Bob and doesn't fawn over him. On the other hand, he seems a bit fame-seeking.

Being a homeschooled ultra-fundie makes it hard to meet potential spouses. Being a famous ultra-fundie makes it hard to meet potential spouses who aren't in it for the fame but are still willing to be filmed.

Heart in Florida said...

I still find it strange that tlc showed that Josh could take care of Anna with his car lot and all, JB grilled Derick, a college graduate, with a BA degree about how HE was able to take care of Jill, he then brings up the subject with Jeremy, ALSO a college graduate, but they have NEVER SHOWN JB asking Ben, a 19 year old kid with no job, how HE was going to take care of Jessa...I'd like for Daddy to answer why this is.

Cat said...

I want to know what has happened to all the parents of Derrick, Ben and Anna, do they sign them away to the Duggars or maybe they dont want to be on Tv? Ben's mom seemed really concerned, she's gone, same with Derricks family, I really thought someone would have questioned his deteriorating. Anna,her parents are second in the Duggar chain, I always felt sorry for her mother when Anna would gush over Michelle..

Laughingmybuttoff said...

I would LOVE to see the boob Bob play a game of soccer with his soon to be SIL!! How funny! Not Mrs. Keller throwing a bowling ball down the alley or a paint ball game or climbing up a wall but a full blown game with the soccer player turned pastor! What would Bob do in order to win??!!

Stephanie said...

Yes Cat
I found it curious that no filming happened between Bens parents and Spurgeons birth. He's their first grandson and certainly they see each other. I believe Bens dad publicly spoke out negatively regarding Josh, after the second scandal and that could be why they aren't filming or why Ben doesn't even talk about his family. But who decided for them to be cut out? Them or Jessa and Jimbob.

Have we seen grandma Duggar yet?

Willow said...

I am just wondering if Grandma Duggar moved out about the same time that Anna and the kids moved in? We don't know for sure, but I think Deanna and her husband split up about that same time and that probably gave Grandma a good chance to make a move.

misty said...

Maybe Anna and her kids had to take over Grandma's room?

Willow said...

Misty, I think I heard that Anna and her children stayed in the girls' dorm while Josh was away. I do not know where Josh and Anna live now. Does anyone else know?