Tuesday, September 13, 2016, 8:00 PM, Meet the Parents (Episode 4)

Jinger meets Jeremy's parents when she goes to Laredo, Texas, with her mom and dad. Meanwhile, Joy takes her first flying lesson; and Jana plans a graduation party for three siblings

60 minutes

Ratings:  1.125 M viewers and a .29 rating.

106 comments:

Stephanie said...

I cannot wait to see this.

Jim bob and Michelle put in the back of the can LOL
Remember when Michelle say between Ben and Jessa in the truck? Michelle made it all about Michelle.
I guarantee you Jimbob thought he would get shotgun and Jinger sit with Michelle. it's not your shoe anymore Jimbob.

Also at the table look at the body language of Jeremy, facing Jinger putting his back towards Jimbob. Jimbob desperately trying to get his attention
"Hey, hey Jeremy, hey over here, Jeremy hey hey look at me I'm important talk to me"
Jeremy finally acknowledging and Jimbob can only think to say
"Ugh, have you thought about moving to Arkansas?"

Jeremy said he wanted wisdom from HIS parents.

Let's hope the Vuolos are not as stupid as the Seewalds. The Seewalds really kissed up to the Duggars. Should have said they didn't approve of Ben moving in.

As a matter of a fact... said...

Stephanie, that is a perfect description of what happened and Lol at JB wanting Jeremy's attention but he otherwise gives his undivided attention to Jinger. I bet JB was dying to have Jeremy divert his eyes from his daughter and have them glued to him. You are right, he thinks he is the important ONE everyone bows to and Jeremy may have just knocked JB down a notch. Ego bruised after that? He will probably demand Jeremy pay attention to him, at least while being filmed!!

Cat said...

I just hope Jeremy's parents dont get all excited about becoming reality stars and encourage their grown son to become a'Duggar' and bow to JB and allow whatever surgery they think he needs...

Heart in Florida said...

Jim Bob has got to realize that "his jokes" are NOT funny.

Andrea said...

I'll like to make a prediction on number of viewers for tonight's episode. I predict between 700 and 800K viewers. Viewership is going to continue to slide until we get to Ginger's wedding planning and wedding. The show won't be cancelled until after Ginger and Jeremy tie the knot. I wonder if a wedding date has already been set, but TLC is waiting for a really, really boring episode to break the big news to draw in viewers: "Tune in tonight for a special message from Ginger and Jeremy." The special news is wedding is happening on January 1st or something equally as silly.

Willow said...

I so hope Jeremy does not move to Arkansas. He does not need Jim Bob at all. He can do better without the Duggar circus. Don't move to Arkansas and only allow limited visitation from the clan to your house. Take some good clues from Alyssa Bates and her marriage. The perfect solution. Voila!

Auggie said...

Andrea,
I'm sure a wedding date has been set. They don't usually waste any time on that. I'm guessing less than three months from engagement announcement to wedding date. then we'll be into the baby showers and gender announcements for Jessa, and I'm sure Jill. By the time Jessa's about to go into labor, Jinger will announce that she's pregnant. Then JimBob will have to look at arranging a marriage for Joyanna. Good think Anna's living at the Duggar compound or poor Jana would be taking care of all of those men/boys by herself.
My guess is that sometime ago Jana refused a guy that JB chose for her and she will forever after be punished for it by being passed over.

too bad,so sad said...

Jeremy is a pastor of a church. When one of our assistant ministers got married the congregation was invited to the ceremony. Do you think Jeremy will invite his congregation? It seems like a small church.

Andrea said...

Auggie, if the wedding date has been set why no announcement about the date? This entire season has been so boring, surely if they had details, dress shopping, venue selection, etc. They would be filming and broadcasting. People won't be interested in the same old, same old forever. The longer the boring stuff is broadcast the likelihood of the show being cancelled becomes higher.

gen said...

Auggie, you made my heart drop when you talked about JB marrying off Joy. She's way too young.

If I were JB I would be antsy to marry one of the boys. I don't think it is going to be easy, the spectre of their brother's actions is going to weigh heavily... It's sort of sad for them. to be thrown in the same basket when they (hopefully) done nothing wrong. If I were the parent of a young woman, I would also be worried about letting my daughter marry someone who has no real career prospects. JB and Michele have cheated their kids of so much.

Jeanette said...

Jeremy is clearly his own man and while he is polite to Jim Bob, he's definitely not intimidated by him. I like that Jeremy and Jinger feel comfortable with Jeremy having his arm around her even in front of JB. He and Jinger obviously love each other very much. I think they will be a sweet couple. Interesting that Joy Anna said that now that she's graduated she will be helping her mother with the kids. Maybe this means Jana will be moving on soon? I hope so. And the little ones aren't so little anymore, so maybe Joy Anna can have a life too.

Betsy said...

My heart broke when Joy announced she was done with school and will stay home and help with the kids and the twins will go into car sales. Have they no concept of other careers? Those parents failed their children by not giving them the wings to fly.

BrightLight said...

I hope he doesn't move either, but I got a little concerned when I watched a clip of last night's episode and it sounded like Jeremey had already picked up Duggar speech! Stay in Laredo Jeremy!

Just my opinion said...

I think it will be quite sometime before Jim Bob marries off Joy. At her graduation party she said she was going to be helping her mom with all the little kids. We all saw that coming even before Jinger's engagement. Jim Bob is trying his best to get the ratings up to keep the show on the air but marrying 3 daughters within 2 yrs. has gotten old. I noticed on the graduations "diplomas" it said "Duggar Academy". Does that mean I can homeschool my kids & have an older sibling make up a diploma on the computer? Nothing was said about any testing to get those great "Duggar Academy Diplomas."

Heart in Florida said...

VILE! That is how Jim Bob came across to me in this awful episode. I don't know if this is a character that TLC has written for him and he follows a script, or if this is truly him...does anyone who knew this man before the TV show have any info in this? Who in their right mind uses such a street term as "swapping spit" when referring to his very own daughter especially in front of the guy and HIS PARENTS? I don't think the Vuolo parents like Jim Bob and Michelle very much, although they seem to like Jinger...what's not for THEM to like? They know their son is getting an "originally wrapped" guaranteed virgin as a daughter in law, one who will not question their son. So, good for them where Jinger is concerned. It was also quite classless of Jim Bob to comment on Jeremy's income in that setting at that time. The Vuolo parents, being Italian, I'm sure were insulted that Jim Bob painted their son as being a loser and not earning enough money in his career to support his daughter's thrift store shopping habit. Jinger should get a part time job herself and support it. I hope Jeremy has a 'pair" and will let Jim Bob know what HIS boundaries are where he is concerned. I don't see Jinger, though, being very happy in that very small apartment and tiny kitchen for very long. Does she know that she will be alone all day and have to clean the apartment herself? She has no idea if she likes Laredo, since she wasn't paying attention to the 'tour" as she was distracted by Jeremy's sheer presence. So awkward and unfortunate for them. Jinger's parents were uncomfortable on camera and I hope it's because they know that no one really wants to see or hear them any more. TLC, please quit including them. They could have been easily edited out and allowed Jinger, Jeremy and HIS parents to visit and tour the town. After all, the Vuolos have some rights too. Jinger is in serious need of spending some time without her own body guards present and trust the Vuolo parents that no one is going to jump her bones when they are around.

Willow said...

Derick's brother is getting married this fall also. I'm sure Derick and Jill planned their return trip so they could attend both weddings (Dan and Jinger). I can't really blame them for that, especially Derick as Dan is his only sibling.

Judy said...

I am embarrassed on Jinger's behalf for how many times she said "Baaa-be." "Oh, Babe...." (I said that to my boyfriend when I was 14.)

Bored to Tears said...

Jim Bob walked into Jeremy's closet, tried to put him down because his salary is low, and talked about swapping spit. Michelle defended him by saying "it's hard for him". These parents need no air time.

Someone needs to slap Jinger the next time she says "babe".

Jeremy looks like a father to Jinger---not her best friend courting partner.

Run Jeremy Run!

Auggie said...

Hi Andrea,
The shows are taped some months ahead of time so they may be dress shopping and keeping it quiet. (not sure how) My guess is they're going to wait until the proposal airs and will announce that day or the day before when the wedding date is. Jinger kept saying they're on the fast track so I can't imagine they are going to wait longer than the other girls did. I think they've all become more calculating in ways to draw attention to their show. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Jeremy's family will change the way the Duggar's do weddings. That would be fun to see!

Hi Gen,
I agree that Joy is too young to get married, but I suspect JB will do anything to keep the show going. Anna, during the girls wkend, said something about once a girl is 18 there's always the possibility that she's only six months away from getting married. At least Joy was a teenager before she became a 'big buddy'. She wasn't raising her siblings at 8 years old or whatever age the older girls took on that responsibility.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the boys.

Sharla said...

Jinger went dress shopping at the same store that did Jill's dress. Photos are on the internet.

smee said...

Jim Bob is a bitter, judgmental, angry man who enjoys making people feel uncomfortable and little. The way he treated Jeremy and his parents was shameful.

smee said...

I didn't see the episode last night but someone somewhere made reference to Jim Slob's awkward comments at the pawn shop. Anybody know what happened?

My name's Jeff Whipple said...

I thought it was so funny when at the airport saying goodbye to Jeremy, Jinge was grabbed by boob. He kind of put his arm around Jinjer as to say that's enough, come to daddy. She immediately got away from boob and went right back to hugging and gazing in Jeremy's eyes. She wanted nothing to do with daddy boob.

Ridiculous said...

Jim Bob looked & acted like the hick he is. I thought Jeremy's parenst were more cultured & refined than the Duggars ever will be. I couldn't believe Jim Bob's comment that he thought it was too soon for Jinger & Jeremey to "swap spit." If that was me & my dad was acting that way wanting to know about Jeremy's finances & of course just walking over to Jeremey's closet & opening the door of Jeremey's closet & making a comment about dirty shoes, I think I'd elope.

Why said...

Re:smee's comments. I agree with all your comments stating Jim Bob's actions while visiting Jeremy & his parents were a disgrace. This is Jinger's chance to get away from her parents & live a better life. I hope she takes it & soon. Jim Bob is no match for Jeremy but he doesn't even know it. I've never seen a man who is as disgusting as Jim Bob. By the way what happened to TLC's statement that when they resumed the show as "counting on" the senior Duggars as well as Josh would not be in the show. If Jim Bob & Michelle are already in the show can Josh be far behind?

Darcy said...

As much as I disagree with the way they manage to make a mockery of what would have been ideas for raising a family with strong values...
I had to laugh at the fact that Jinger and "Baaaaaabe" are choosing to "go further" in their "courtship standards" by almost being glued at the hip.
Am I alone in thinking that holding hands would have been more innocent?
I'm just waiting for them to kiss as they gaze into each other's eyes. That's exactly why they are only allowed quick side hugs when saying hello and goodbye. Lol
I always had hoped one of the 19 would break free. I thought Jinger would be the one.
Now that I see how close in proximity they stay when in each other's company, she may just be the one, yet.
They are already broken the ridiculous standards for courtships of days past... And with her moving to Texas, (Notice how he literally didn't answer JBoob when he asked about him moving to Arkansas?)
Hopefully he can show her the Gothard way isn't the best way.
You can live a good, clean and even God fearing life without turning into the 4th offshoot of MEchelle and JBoob's brand of crazy!!

Andrea said...

1.125 M viewers and a .29 rating. - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh well. I was wrong. Too bad. So it continues until infinity and beyond?

What's the situation with the advertisers again? Perhaps Discovery / TLC is selling off the ad time of Counting on at a discounted rated and advertisers are willing to take a risk on appearing during the show? I have no idea.

Sharla, how do these numbers compare to other TLC programs? As far as I can tell, the show is actually really, really boring. Can't know for sure as I refuse to watch.

Sharla said...

Sadly, the numbers are good for TLC. They aren't the top show probably but in the top 5 I think without going to check a lot of numbers.

Meme said...

JimBob is so uncouth, but that is to be expected by now. No class, no manners, no sense.

Michelle surprised me. She seemed detached, much more interested in her food or the trip than in anything to do with Jinger & Jeremy. She's not jealous like JimBob. JB wants all attention for himself, and Jinger all to himself. Not Mama, she's past all that. "This is so hard for Dad." Crap, Michelle, stop referring to your husband as "Dad". And stop defending his bad behavior, for crying out loud. Doesn't anything embarrass you? Don't you ever disagree with your husband? It's not only allowed but necessary. If YOU don't correct him when he's wrong, who will? That is part of your job description as his wife. He is embarrassing your daughter, insulting her fiancé, and offending the future in-laws. You don't mind throwing scriptures at other people when it suits your purpose. I have a scripture for you two: Judge not, lest ye be judged. You and "Dad" pray on that one tonight.

thy1thy said...

Where can I watch the new episodes online?

Done with Dugars said...

There is absolutely no love for the Duggar children. All Jim Bob & Michelle care about now, are the ratings & the money the show brings in. It was announced when they decided to bring back the Duggars with the show now called "Counting on," that Jim Bob & Michelle would not be in the new show. Well it seems to me that we are seeing plenty of them still sticking their heads in where they don't belong. Not only that but they walk around like they are still the pious, holy, family they tried to sell to the public for all the yrs.& they seem to be getting away with it. Jinger & Jeremy are adults. I know some people think he's too old for her but I've seen many couples where there is that same age difference. The Duggrs & TLC apparently think nobody even remembers anything about the: "Golden Boy Josh"& his actions which were not revealed all that long ago. People have short memories. What ever happened to their Bible study & daily devotions. I guess they went with the wind, when Josh's actions came to light. Both Jim Bob & TLC are saying come home all if forgiven & they are getting away with it. I will never watch another show, read anything about their family. I don't care one bit about any of them, although I still think ther's more to the Josh scandal that anyone knows.

smee said...

It's refreshing to see that Jeremy doesn't seem to know much about the tv Duggars. And he doesn't seem to care much about what Jim Bob thinks. Ditto for Jeremy's parents. They don't seem impressed with Jim Bob's "humor". I love how the parents just sit there and let Jim Bob spew his nonsense. The more he talks the stupider he seems. The only thing that I find funny is that Jim Bob truly doesn't know when to shut up. He is such a foolish man. Talking about "swapping spit". Is that modest?

And speaking of foolish.....what is with Michelle's neon red blouse? Methinks she picked that color to get attention. Is that modest? The next day she and Jim Bob are wearing slightly clashing snot-green shirts. Do they always have to match? Michelle's shirt looks like it's ready for the rag bag.

So done with Jim Slob and ME-chelle. Why are they back on television?

Ruby said...

Meme--Michelle is Jim Bob's doormat. Nothing embarrasses her. She drank the koolaid-- all of it, every last drop. She has no opinions, no goals, no personal interests, no hobbies. She is his minion. It's a terrible example to all her children. Showing by example a completely dysfunctional marriage relationship where the man is king and the woman is slave.

Aimee said...

I enjoyed Jeremy sharing that he didn't really know what the courting rules had been for the other couples and that he kept his arm around Jinger the whole time. I am not sure it all in love - it seemed to be done quite a bit just to get to Jim Bob. Then they cut to Ben/Jessa talking about their courtship rules. Ben couldn't even say what/why they did what they did. I am sure he is wondering why he didn't put his arm around Jessa before they were married...

Cindi said...

I wish I had $5 for every time Jinger said 'babe'. She sounds like a 14 year old with her first crush. Oh, wait, that's her emotional and social age.

I hope Jeremy's mom takes Jinger under her wing and helps her buy some new clothes - maybe some pants, shorts, capris and decent sandals. As a pastor's wife, she can offer Jinger advise and support for adjusting to her life with Jeremy in a way Michelle will never understand. I am so glad the Vuolo family does not seem in any way interested in going the Duggar Zoo.

Jim Boob needs to realize his time is up and let his kidults leave home. At very least, help them build houses on all that land he bought so they can have a chance at normal lives.

smee said...

Jinger cuddles next to Jeremy enjoying some normal male attention. The poor girl is so starved for physical affection because of her parent's simple minded side-hug rule. Why does Michelle side hug her daughters? Will the mother stir up desires in the girls that cannot be righteously fulfilled? It doesn't even make sense. Their cult has killed all familial affection. What a cold harsh environment in which to grow up.

Heart in Florida said...

The age difference seems more than just the chronological years between Jinger and Jeremy because Jinger is a stunted 14 year old and Jeremy is an experienced 29 year old man. He is more than double her age in experience and maturity. I hope Jinger isn't crushed when she realizes that all men are the same from the neck down.

Jeanette said...

I guess I was most pleased that Jeremy and Jill are making their own rules. And the younger kids are watching. They didn't outwardly defy Jim Bob, but the result was the same. They are doing this own their own terms. Has anyone noticed if anyone is listening in when they speak on the phone or face time?

Aunt Bea said...

I agree that Jinger's high pitched "babe" was so annoying. This girl doesn't know how to have a conversation. Her vocabulary is limited and basic. She doesn't know how to carry on an intelligent conversation about anything from what I have noticed. Her TH segments were painful to watch and listen to and her facial expression when speaking is that of an unsure 10 year old. This is a woman of 23? What does Jeremy see in her?
I also found Jim Bob being disrespectful to Jeremy's parents. He was treating their son poorly and put him in unnecessary awkward situations. I hope his Italian grandparents let Jim Bob have it only like an Italian can. They say it like it is..TO YOUR FACE. If Jim Bob isn't thrilled with this courtship, why did he allow it to even take off in the first place? Does he really want all of his spinster daughters to remain at home and live like they're still 8 years old? That is not being a Godly parent. I'd pay money to see an episode where the parents-in-law tell Jim Bob off....including Derick's stepdad.

Meme said...

Aunt Bea, I hope that Jeremy's grandparents have something to say to J-Bob, too! Talk about soaring ratings.....Woo-Hooooo! Are you listening, TLC? We wanna see a feisty little finger-wagging grandma having a "conversation" with JB! We'll invite all our friends over to watch such an episode. We can make nachos and hot dogs and steaks and.,,,,,,,,,,,

gen said...

Anybody else notice that most of the commercials during the episode were from TV shows on other major network (NBC, FOX...)?

Thats not good. You usually don't want to advertise for shows that might steal your own viewers. That shows a bit of desperation on TLC's part I think.

Tanna said...

Aunt Bea,

What has Derick's step-dad done thatis bad?

Aunt Bea said...

Can't help but wonder what would have happened if Jeremy ordered a beer in that restaurant! With all the put-downs from Jim Bob the guy could have used one. I'd have paid to see the looks on Jim Bob and Michelle's faces.

Aunt Bea said...

Meme: If Jeremy's Italian "nonna" is anything like mine was, Jim Bob is in for a treat. I'd pay money to watch that episode...I'll bring the anisette!

Heart in Florida said...

I don't think that Jinger and Jeremy are completely making their own rules. It's so painfully obvious that they want to kiss each other, even a little peck on the forehead...if it were their decision, like the parents lie that it is, they'd have kissed long ago and continue to do so. No hello kiss, no goodbye kiss? It's Jim Bob and Michelle's rules. JB is painfully watching a little lee way given to them and he really doesn't approve of any of it ...neither does cheerleader Michelle. I think his parents believe that most of that stuff is ridiculous.

Andrea said...

Thanks Sharla for the reply: "Sadly, the numbers are good for TLC." Lord only knows when this circus will be off the air!

Done with Dugars said...

Just wanted to clarify that I meant to say. The Duggars & TLC apparently think nobody remember anything about the "Golden Boy, Josh" & his actions which were not revealed that long ago.
Also I wanted to mention I thought it was great that Jinger finally got something she has never had before to our knowledge, a sincere & loving frontal hug, from a mom. Of course it wasn't from her own mother but her future mother-in-law. Now I' really done with the Duggars.

Lizzyb said...

3 observations about this episode which stand out. First, how much Spanish does Jill speak or really even understand? At her bible study which was completely in Spanish, I saw her shaking her head but never speaking. It's not easy to learn another language as an adult and she's not very bright at all. Second, Jinger mentioned that Michelle said when you are in a relationship you are too distracted to do anything but one thing and her one thing is the laundry-REALLY?!!! Good thing she doesn't have a real job or even a college class to go to because she would be too distracted to concentrate! These people really are morons if the beginning of a relationship consumes all of their time and thoughts! Lastly, Jinger mentioned she and Jeremy had been "courting" for 2 months and they are already telling each other "I love you"!. Not that you may not know that at 2 months but it takes more than 2 months before most people began to verbalize this to each other. I agree with other posters- Jinger acts about 14 and she used to be my favorite.

Lizzyb said...

Omg- Jim Bob just didn't ask Jeremy (a 29 year old man) about how he was going to support Jinger on a pastor's salary,'s did he? And yet Jessa married a 19 year old who doesn't appear to work at all?? There are no words.

Aunt Bea said...

Tanna, I meant that I'd pay money to hear Derick's step-dad tell Jim Bob off too. I think Mr. Byrum thinks they're full of it.

Just Me said...

re:Cindi's comments about Jim Bob letting the kids build houses on all that land. They will never live normal lives if they build houses on the Duggar land.

nancyr said...

By now everyone who remembers the rallying cry "Free Jinger," realizes that our prayers have been answered -- Jinger Duggar is finally on the verge of breaking free.

Ole JimBob never saw it coming. He had no idea he was stepping into a carefully laid trap when he gave Jeremy the green light to court Jinger. Like Derrick-Dillard, Jeremy is a university graduate who secured a paying job. But unlilke Derrick, Jeremy isn't going to quit and head off to Central America to live in third world poverty. All this young couple needs is to keep their butts firmly planted in Texas, far from Ole Jimbob's clutches, and Jinger will be in the normal world, free of JimBob. Escape from PlanetDuggar!

Here are my predictions. Shortly after the honeymoon, Jeremy's pants-wearing mom will take her new daughter-in-law out for a day of shopping. Mom will treat Jinger to several stylish outfits from a real store, all with pants. Then the two will head to a hair salon where Jinger will trade her Gothard long locks for a cute, short bob. Then Grandma Vuolo will teach Ginger how to cook Jeremy's favorite Italian meal and serve it with, horrors!, Chianti wine. The transformation will be complete, and Jinger will become her own woman.

Can you just picture it now? In a few months, Jinger will return for her first visit home as a married woman, and Ole JimBob will have a silent-movie conniption fit. His face will turn beet red as he sees his short bobbed daughter flaunting the pantsuit of the infidel, in front of Bimbo's most prized possessions, the holy, consecrated virgins, his unmarried daughters.

But JimBob will be powerless to stop the spectacle because he's already transferred ownership of Jinger to her far more liberal husband. Michelle will tilt her head and smile blankly like a contented cow, oblivious to everything but her medicine cabinet filled with pregnancy tests and her next dose of Xanax. Moo!

Later that night in the girls bedroom, Hannie and Jenny will giggle as they try on Jinger's new pants suits and chop off their long locks with children's safety scissors. Janna will beg Jinger to fix her up with one of Jeremy's friends, any one of them. Jessa will break down in tears as she realizes she threw away her life for a halfwit. And Joy will pack a suitcase filled with clothes and sneak it into Jeremy's car, so she can escape with the newlyweds when they leave.

This folks will be must see TV, and the ratings are gonna soar. Stay tuned.

too bad,so sad said...

I hate confrontation. It never seems to change what needs to be changed.

On the other hand... How long to Christmas?? I would love, love to see the Duggars join the huge extended Italian family on Christmas. Grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. Frontal hugs all around, not just once but in my experience you enter the room and you are just passed around hugs and kissed on both cheeks by everyone, and I experience this as a guest not even as a family member. Bonus, big multi course Italian holiday meal. Now that episode I would watch.

Just a question to those who know, why do the Duggars not drink wine? In the Bible wine is in a lot of the scriptures, including Jesus at a wedding turning water into wine. How is it now something to avoid? TIA

bree said...

nancyr, The funniest post I have read!! That would be the most entertaining episode ever on TLC!!! I would love to see jinger with a cute bob and pantsuit. She would be an absolute doll. And hey maybe Jeremy will introduce Jana to somebody. I hope, hope, hope!! He is her age, so he is bound to have a handsome, single friend, right? That would be awesome!!

Marci said...

I agree with the comment by Lizzyb re Jill's comprehension of Spanish. She did not speak at all and what makes her think she is qualified to counsel women who have difficulties with their unfaithful or abusive husbands? She has no wisdom or life experience to offer. It seems like the Spanish speaking woman (pastor?) was running the show.

Sharla said...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/09/counting-on-crisis-duggars-facing-cancelation-again/

This one talks about the loss of advertisers.

Pam said...

Oopoh Bree I hadn't thought of Jeremy setting Jana up with one of his friends. That would be great. Surely he had a good looking single friend.

Hailey Wall said...

Just a question to those who know, why do the Duggars not drink wine? In the Bible wine is in a lot of the scriptures, including Jesus at a wedding turning water into wine. How is it now something to avoid? TIA
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I could be wrong, but I think way back when Josh and Anna got married, Annas father explained it away as "Jesus made new wine and new wine hasn't fermented yet so it's basically just grape juice" which, is rediculous. As after Jesus made the wine, the host of the party was shocked that the bride and groom had saved the best wine for last (as usually back then you brought our the watered down not so good wine after everyone was drunk)

Delia said...

Didn't Jinger have on pants in one piicture taken at the Duggar compound?

FuzzyLogicPX said...

Maybe I’m creating the following story to justify my fascination in the Duggars, but this last episode gave me so much hope. I know I make some stretches and assumptions. I've been following the conversations here for the past year, so I hope you all will indulge my first post, and it's glimmer of hope.

Jill and Jessa had to marry people of whom JB approved, which left them with limited options. Jill went with someone who would get her out. Jessa went with someone who wouldn't get in her way.

Then, the Josh bombs drop. JB’s unquestioned authority crumbles; he loses the show.

Jill and Jessa swoop in, give their interview (prove their loyalty to JB) and get their own show. Now they have some traction.

Jill leaves the country, (is this because she would crumble if JB pressured her?) Jessa is making calls about the show (is this true, I thought I read it somewhere, but how true can it be?) Ratings aren't great. If JB wants the money and a remnant of his former fame, then someone has to get hitched.

Here's where Jinger gets Jeremy. JB would never have approved of him before the JoshBomb, but now Jessa has power, and she's going to use it to get her favorite sister OUT.

I propose that if it weren't for the show, this Jeremy thing never would have happened.

Aunt Bea said...

Jill and Derick's presence in Central America is ineffective. I highly doubt that Jill had any idea what any of those women were saying. She was merely acting as a hostess offering her home as a place for those women to meet. She also knows NOTHING about what those women are experiencing and is way too young and inexperienced to offer any real counsel or support to them. In her world, everything should be perfect, anyway.

I also don't see JEREMY (babe) gushing in any way over Jinger. I see him chuckling and not quite understanding Jinger's "Niagara Falls" waterfall of fawning over him. He is acting like a man who has a child "in love" with him...like an elementary school student's innocent crush on her teacher and the teacher is trying to act appropriately, but not crush the kid either. This relationship is so out of balance it isn't funny. It was evident in Jinger's elementary school craft art gift to him. He acted way over the top about it, but thought "what am I going to do with this thing"? At that point in time, this couple were courting two weeks...way too soon for Jinge to have made him a string art with hearts on it. Can't her parents see how juvenile their grown daughters act when allowed to be in some sort of teenage relationship? This should cause concern for their parents and they should be reconsidering their silly inane rules which render their adult children emotionally stunted.

Elspeth said...

Just a question to those who know, why do the Duggars not drink wine? In the Bible wine is in a lot of the scriptures, including Jesus at a wedding turning water into wine. How is it now something to avoid?
They are scripture twisters who say on one hand that they believe every word of the Bible as written and that it's the inspired word of God until it clashes with one of their other religious strictures such as drinking anything alcoholic, dancing, cutting women's hair, or some other Gothard or IFB made up rule.

life of their own.. said...

Jinger and Jeremy... please, please, please pick a handsome friend to pair Jana up with for the wedding!! She deserves a day of a guys attention, even if it is just innocent flirting and talking. That episode would get monster ratings!! I would love to see that girl blushing from a guys attention.

Heart in Florida said...

life of their own...That guy that Jana would be fixed up with needs to be a guy with dirt under his nails, remember? She doesn't consider men who work with their heads to work hard. I was put off at Jana's prejudice and nose up at office working men. I'm not sure who Jeremy would like that meet Jana's requirement.

Opie said...

Agree with Aunt Bea. This is a pathetic (it ought to be illegal) courtship between a man and a very immature child. It is another example of very bad parenting or no parenting. Jeremy has a lifetime of parenting his bride to look forward to. I hope Jinger grows up fast and realizes this is a BIG mistake.

Lulu said...

Aunt Bea
JB and Michelle can't see how juvenile their grown daughters act because they too were stunted in their emotional growth. Look at the nasty, vulgar thinks Jim Bob does. We know he had learning disabilities but it might be much more than that.

He acts like a bully the way he embarrasses the whole family with the things he does and says.

Lulu said...

Add to the resume lies Jim Bob tells along with the concert pianist that Jill is a missionary.

That was a whopper. That family seems to all operate at a very low level. Many kids in first or second grade have Ideas about what they want to do when they grow up; nurse, fireman, policeman, etc. They have no idea what it takes.


So these kids want to be missionaries And it must have been a shock to poor, clueless Jill to find out it wasn't handing out candy.

life of their own.. said...

Heart in Florida, 'dirt under the nails' type guy is all she is use to being around. I took it as, she prefers the masculine type. She has NO IDEA that those types of men can work in offices too. Does she not realize there is such a thing as a gym and not only in daddy Duggars warehouse?? Poor girl is so sheltered!!

My name's Jeff Whipple said...

I didn't watch the entire show. Is it true that J Blob actually opened Jeremy's closet, and said it smelled like dirty shoes? Then while shopping, Blob puts a basket on Jeremy's head, and also pointed out how a green gown didn't come in Jeremy's size? With Jinjer using babe every other sentence, how akward! They must have looked like a bunch of hillbillies coming to town. This is all so embarrassing that I can't imagine the ulterior motive Jeremy has for this engagement. Literally, has Jim Bob lost his mind. Does any person out there with a mental health background have any ability to shed some light on the new way Jim Bob is acting?

Tanna said...

Jim Bob is trying to throw shade on Jeremy, in order to (try to) make himself look better. Sorry, Jim Bob we see through your immature actions.

Heart in Florida said...

These Gothard following parents are the first generation of people to live this lifestyle out. They, themselves HAD all of the normal childhood and teenage years experience, going to a school, sports, social activities and DATES. They CHOSE to change their lives for themelves. This second generation, that of the Duggar, Bates children and the like don't have the benefit of any experience in life like that. Can't they see how stunted, immature and ill-prepared their adult children are for life? The emotional brow beating they gave and still give their children is a sin in itself. Jill, Jinger and Anna all acted or are acting like fools with the first guy allowed to speak to them. Their parents should be ashamed for what they have been doing to their "hot house flowers". The boys aren't that much more mature than the girls..look how Zach Bates was crushed at his failed courtship...the other Bates boy, cried at the breakup with his friendship with the girl from New York...so how can Gil Bates AND Jim Bob Duggar go on camera and say their children are "protected from broken hearts" in their inane courting system? I find it relationships such as these are much more intense for the bottled up emotions these young people have to suppress, then FINALLY allowed to barely explore. They immediately fall head over heels "in love" right away, which isn't love at all, but the pre-pubescent crushes experienced around age 12 for the rest of us. They are flashes in the pan, in life. We still have so much to learn about ourselves and who we are at that time of life, these "child-adults" learn some things about themselves, when already tethered and married to an individual that they don't know. It's evident in Anna and Jill....Jinger is the worst of them...her short LONG DISTANCE courting of Jeremy is even more restrictive. Heaven help her...and Jeremy..for he is marrying a child-bride who HE doesn't know, either.
Sorry for the long post, but it's so obvious to this old lady's eye to plainly see.

Aunt Bea said...

How could Jeremy's parents just stand/sit there and remain silent? Jim Bob was treating their son quite disrespectfully. HIS parents have rights, too, to protect their son, don't they, from in-law abuse? Their son was being "playfully humiliated" on national TV...just how good of parents are they? Jim Bob is a coward and disguises his nasty statements in a playful way so not to be attacked for them because he really can't stand up for himself at all...he folds like "an Arkansas suitcase"..pardon the pun.

Willow said...

I hope Jeremy's parents gave Jeremy some good advice after Jim Bob left. I mean, the nerve of JB. Jeremy's parents showed a lot of class. They didn't argue (at least not on camera) but they didn't smile or laugh either, that I saw in the clips. If they did, let me know. I think JB tried to humiliate and embarrass Derick and Ben too, in the past, but not as much. You can tell he is more jealous of Jeremy. I think he has probably mentally abused Anna as well, but that is just my own opinion; no real proof of that, other than making her cook her whole Thanksgiving dinner a day early, when she wasn't ready. I can only imagine what we haven't seen or heard. The minions need to speak up for themselves. JMO as always.

Dana t. said...

Willow,
Regarding that stupid Thanksgiving episode I think it was all staged. When she was shopping ache didn't seem to get enough fir that crowd. There was something that others mentioned about the turkey (not real sure what it was but it seems like she bought frozen and did not have time to thaw it out).

Elspeth said...

Yes, that was totally and completely staged by TLC just to make an episode.

Karen said...

I just loved when Jim Bob asked Jeremy "what do your parents think?" And Jeremy just laughed and said " they're right here, why dont you ask them?" Jim Bob just had to keep talking without even realizing what he was saying and Jeremy called him out on it. It was great. I'm hoping that he does love Jinger and is planning on helping her to be indipendant of her family. He seems to think the courting rules are strange, you can see it in his face.

Aunt Bea said...

If Jeremy thinks their courting rules are strange, why then does he adhere to such things? Jinger is a nice girl, but she's hardly the catch of the year for him. I'd like to hear directly from Jeremy about what his social customary beliefs are at this time...does he think drinking is a sin, is dancing a sin, etc? We won't.

Heart in Florida said...

There were photos posted showing Jeremy and Jinger in Arkansas being driven around by Jim Bob. How ridiculous this 28 year old grown man looked. He was being treated like a scared, pimply faced 13 year old boy out on his first date to the 8th grade dance being driven there by her father. Demeaning, if you ask me. Jinger also should be ashamed. She is being treated like a child by her family. Can't understand why Jeremy is putting up with being humiliated like this. If they don't trust HIM OR JINGER, what do they have to say about they raised their children? They trust them as far as they can throw them.

MoneyMoneyMoneyMoney said...

If Jeremy thinks their courting rules are strange, why then does he adhere to such things?

FAME and FORTUNE. Same answer to "Why would Derrick ask JB to be his "prayer partner" while he was in Nepal?" or "Why would a family let their teenage son get married before he had an education or a job to support a family?"

Money makes the world go 'round...and being a part of a reality show is probably one of the easiest ways to earn large sums of money without having to actually work at doing anything.

"I don't care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right." (P.T. Barnum)

Karen said...

It was so starnge to me that when Michelle was saying during the Mexican dinner that " its hard for dad" her constatnt excuse for Jim Bob when he's behaving badly about a daughter getting married, but then even Jinger piped in with" its hard for him, daddys little girl". Excuse me but I cant remember a single episode where Jinger was treated like daddys little girl or given any special attention from Jim Bob whatsoever! And for her to make e cuses for him was just so sad.

Lorna said...

I noticed Jim Bob kept calling her
Jing (gin-jh). I wonder if he just learned her name and was doing that to try to sound like he was familiar with her.

I think he keeps his joyfully available buddy so busy they don't have time to interact with those kids long enough to learn names.

Meme said...

I noticed the shortened name also, Lorna. Jeremy uses it a lot. So I figure that jealous Dad is just trying to prevent any sort of special nickname between Jeremy and Jinger. At one point during that meal JimBob looked at Jeremy like he wanted to punch him in the face - I think it was when Jeremy put an arm around "Jing". LOL.

Marites H said...

I'm no longer watching the show but JB using Jeremy's nickname for Jinger definitely takes something special away from the courting/dating couple. Jeremy is not going to be under JB's thumb like Derrick or especially errandboy Ben.

Iris Lacey said...

Jeremy is definitely putting up with the insane courting rules and insultments from Jimbob so he can cash in on the Duggar fame. I feel he has it all planned out..becoming a tv evangelist. He and Jingah will be the new Jim & Tammy of tv land, raking in the money from lonely people sitting in their homes donating to their ministry. Jimbob & Michelle will be guests and there could also be a spot for Josh to speak about how he overcame the influence of the devil and was saved again. The opportunities for money flowing into Duggarworld from a program like this is limitless. Ben boy might even get up off the sofa to perform some religious rap.

laura said...

The way Jeremy reacted to his child fiancées elementary school art project was.... Very sweet, and I don't use that word lightly, knowing itis a favorite of theirs to describe everyone and everything, disgusting me to no degree.
Think his parents are being severely edited, they are being portrayed as just.... Being there, as stand ins, no depth or personality shown. This is due to TLC I believe.
Have the duggars ever been to a real museum of art?
MOMA? LACMA? San Diego, Cincinnati, Kansas City museums of art, etc? A music hall? Been to see the symphony orchestra?
PLEASE Jeremy. Expose your soon to be wife to art and beauty in the world, not everything is a sin or evil. Tell me what's sinful about Bob Ross?
And for Pete's sake, try to get her on the write a word and its definition down in a notebook everyday for a month and see what happens.
Can't imagine their conversations when they are finally alone. Either she is so out of her league or he is using a restrictions religion to dumb himself down.
Did you guys see his 'church'
Jinger said she has 'seen so many sermons here' online? (Sounds like my worst nightmare)
What kind of people go here?
What kind of experience does he have to be advising other people?
That he used to drink too much? That's his experience? I would never in one million years EVER take religious or spiritual device from him or Jill.oh!!!! Or Ben lolololol.
What kind of a weak minded uhhhh..... would you have to be?

too bad,so sad said...

Iris Lacey-You may be very right. Jeremy already has a video of a sermon of sorts online where he sadly admits to falling from Grace during his high school and college years. How he was more and more pulled into sin and then brought back to dedicate his life to Jesus. Yes, it does have those Jim Bakker overtones, just less tears but still very, very regretful.
The world is a beautiful place with wonderful people of all types. Too bad Jeremy doesn't seem to see that. All he talks about is how people are full or sin, sin, sin, sin unless you are filled with Jesus. And by that he means his particular type of Jesus, not any Catholic or Presbyterian, etc. type of Jesus. I actually feel really bad for him.
Jeremy and Jinger are physically attractive. I can see people liking them on tv. I can really see a tv megachurch in their future.

too bad,so sad said...

laura-
Jeremy has several sermons that tell his congregation how to raise their children. Yes, a young man who has no children and has never been educated in early childhood development, child behavior modification or child psychology. Alright then.
I am really posting because you named several great art museums. I want to add another place that most people do not know about. It is Grounds for Sculpture in New Jersey. It is awesome.
And, what is sinful about Bob Ross, well his overuse of "happy little" other than that he has encouraged more people to find joy in painting than anyone else. I started that way and have moved on and enjoy painting as a hobby today. I think he has spread more joy that most tv, street and blog writing preachers. JMHO

Aunt Bea said...

The Duggars and the like would never go a an art museum unless it was a Christian fundamental one. How would they possibly look at sculpture as anything but sinful? Any art that depicted anything other than religious art would also be banned. Do they know that any classic period religious art that they would see was from the Catholic church? They have a very limited, slim and narrow view of everything.

Jeremy needs to quit while he's ahead and cease and desist telling people how to rais their children. This young man is still a young man and has NO experience in this area or education in it. If he is telling them anything more than to please bring their children to a good church, show a good parental example and live honest lives, then he needs to shut up.

I also believe his Italian grandparents were praying for him to settle down, give up his wild ways and meet a nice girl to marry...as any grandparents would want for their grandson. I don't think they wanted him to be shacked to the Duggar family in these rigid rules...interesting to see what kind of wedding he and Jinger will have.

Sandy H. said...

Does anyone know how many people are members of Jeremy's congregation and what is the religion? If Jeremy fell from grace, as he says, during his younger years, then his dad was not raising him right, according to his sermon on raising children. Oh, it's going to be a tough life for Jinger with this older, opinionated man who seems to see sin the in the world and not recognize good.

Elspeth said...

Does anyone know how many people are members of Jeremy's congregation and what is the religion?
I think you mean denomination rather than religion.

It appears to be a plant from a so-called "non-denominational" church.

Aunt Bea said...

Elspeth: Please let me know what " a plant" from a non-denominational church means?
I'm not familiar with that term. Is it like a satellite church as in a satellite office; another branch from the main branch? Thanks so much.

Willow said...

I have gotten the impression that the fundamentalists, Gothardites, etc., don't believe in regular art. I think they just do family pictures or those framed sayings and/or scriptures. Has anyone else noticed this? I think Michelle even mentioned it very early on. Just kind of something I have noticed over the years. I think it is Gothard-inspired. I think Michelle even kind of gave a reason, but I wouldn't want to quote it after all these years.

Elspeth said...

Yes, a church plant is when a main church sets up a new church in another town or city or even another part of the same city. The main church provides funding and other material support such as furniture, Bible, hymnals, educational material, a pastor, etc.

Aunt Bea said...

Thanks, so much, Elspeth, I learned something today because of you....

Heart in Florida said...

I have also noticed that these Gothardly families we have seen on TV all have the same type of art and decorations in their homes. Yes, it is Gothard inspired. What is so sinful in having a beautiful landscape oil painting on your wall? These folks are weird.

I also believe that Anna has, indeed, dumped her M4s on Jana and Joy. She's also leaving their "education" up to Tabitha Paine, too. After all, she's got to concentrate on her relationship with Josh-U-a. No time for anything else, if Jinger is an example.

Meme said...

Someone was discussing how TLC never showed JB having the sit-down with Ben and asking the infamous question, "how do you intend to support my daughter?" They did air an episode where he grilled Derick. And recently, he put Jeremy on the spot, asking if his minister's salary was going to be enough to cover Jinger's shopping habit. Just once I wish that someone would have the um.....nerve...to call a spade with JimBob. Since they won't, guess I will have to do it. Rant: JimBob, you only WISH you could con people. Everybody in Arkansas (and beyond) knows that you have NEVER fully supported your family. People GAVE and STILL GIVE to ya'll, for reasons that I will never understand. Your church helped your family, followed by TLC. So unpuff your chest before you criticize someone's salary - at least the guy has a JOB, which is more than we can say for any of the Duggars (you're excluded, John David).
BTW, when JB asked Jeremy if he could support Jinger's thrift store shopping habit, he was trying to accomplish two things. First, he was portraying Jinger as a very unspoiled, young lady who only shops in second-hand stores. Second, he was attempting to knock Jeremy's ability to support his daughter, thereby putting down Jeremy. I so wish that Jeremy had said something like, "JimBob, she will not only be able to shop at Goodwill, she can actually buy some NEW clothing at a real clothing store."

Chela said...

Decided to watch the season on demand. I did not watch any of the firsg season though. My opinion of Jeremy, although odd to want to be with such a young girl (literally & figuratively), I like him. He can actually speak in an intelligent way. He also seems to really care for Jinger. I love that he is not intimidated by Dimboob,either. His parents cracked me up when they were at the Mexican restaurant & Dimboob was trying to be "cute". And, it appears that be plans to wisk Jing away to Laredo!! Now, I really liked Derrick at first, too...so, we shall see about Jeremy.

Aunt Bea said...

Meme, do you live in NW Arkansas and have some personal knowledge about this family and their true inability to support themselves all those years? It sounds like you know what's been what. I think you're absolutely right...they didn't support their family independently, perhaps they didn't file for government assistance, but they sure seemed to put their names on church lists and corporate donations of groceries all those years....He needs to address these truths directly and on camera. No lies.

Fed Up said...

Re:Iris Lacey comments. I think those comments apply more to Derrick than to Jeremy. Doesn't anyone else find it strange that somehow Derrick was able to become a "prayer partner," with Jim Bob? Something we had never heard talked about or even mentioned in all the yrs. the Duggars have been on TV. Derrick had a good job as many have mentioned but he sure didn't keep it very long. I believe Jim Bob saw the potential for a son-in-law who would be a missionary. No questions asked. What Jeremy does or doesn't do as a minster really doesn't matter in the scheme of things in the Duggar's world. They will always be takers. They will take from the poorest of people without giving it a thought. All you need to see is those boys sitting around on the couch waiting for TLC to come up with the next big trip.
Strange that the Duggars are so concerned with how their daughters will be provided for when they have all those boys sitting around on the couch day after day with not an ounce of ambition. The day my son turned 16, I sent him to the local supermarket to apply for an after school job. He wasn't hired. I sent him back the next day & the day after. He was hired after the third try & work through his high school days as well as his entire college yrs. How many people think even one of those boys who are doing nothing day after day would ever be sent out to look for a job & Jim Bob is concerned about his future sons-in-law jobs. We shouldn't forget that Jim Bob worked in a supermarket. Remember all those lessons he gave the kids on how to set up the pantry. He was an expert at it having worked at a supermarket for many yrs. himself. You don't need you kid to bring in that paycheck from his after schooljob but you do need to teach him about working for a living.

Meme said...

Hi Aunt Bea. I live in NE Arkansas and while I do not know the Duggars personally there are some here who do. As you said, the family has not filed for government assistance, yet they never seem to mind asking for money in other ways. Lots of contradictions with this family. From what I hear, they don't even attend church anymore! But you know they'll claim that they do. Maybe at that multipurpose dining room table.

Aunt Bea said...

Meme, thanks for you insightful connection to "those who know". I'm not in to this site being filled with all speculation and untrue "facts" about this family. Like the "Alice post", which was absolutely correct, I'd like to gather facts about this family. I think they ALL are masters of deception, like magicians are with the smoke and mirrors...you think you know what you see. Keep up the posts...

Always said...

Re: Karen's comments. I am also sick & tired of hearing how difficult it is for poor dad to be giving his daughter, "daddy little girl," away to her future husband. Also now that 2 of his daughters are married & still remain under his control, I don't know what Jim Bob is so concerned about. He'll find a way to have them living nearby, as he has with all the others. We know that Jill is returning home after an extremely long life of missionary work.I also have never seen Jinger get any special treatment in that house. Has Jim Bob ever given an ounce of thought to how many other girls he has left to marry off? It's not the end of his life as "Daddy Duggar" with all those little girls still just growing up. It will be many yrs. before he will be done marrying off all the girls in that family. If he pulls out that handkerchief at Jingers wedding & starts that false weeping I'll put my foot through the TV. Of course I'll only be causing problems for myself, as I don't actually watch any episode when it is first aired.

Heart in Florida said...

What Jim Bob is crying about regarding his daughters marrying is that these guys will have HIS DAUGHTERS' virginity. Nothing more than that, IMO. He controls all about them. Disgusting, if you ask me.

Jennie said...

Jimbob and his obsession with his adult daughter's virginity is perverted. What goes on in a adult woman's life does not have to be reported to her father. Normal girls would be horrified to have their dad snooping and regulating their personal relationships.

Marlena T said...

The entire Duggar family is perverted. What mother tracks her fertile days on a family calendar for the entire family to observe? Kid's don't want to even think of their parents doing the deed but this holier then thou family is really not modest at all. I'm thinking of the rather obscene photos of Jill & Jessa with those tight t-shirts outlining their huge belly & belly button in their many selfies and that horrific toilet birthing scene Anna lived through with the camera men looking at her very personal parts when they did not want a male doctor to treat her. How terrible is that? No wonder Jimbob can't find any wives for his dreary boys.

Liza J said...

I can't wait to see this Eye talian, as they say!! at the wedding. Italians usually are warm happy people who dance, sing and wear lovely and sometimes (wooooooo )sexy clothing to a formal event. This is assuming it's a formal event and not in the parking lot of the church, serving cookies, popcorn, candy and melting ice cream to guests who have traveled across the country to attend and give nice wedding gifts. All of a sudden, I am see a wedding reception in a barn?? with that wedding planner girl using lots of crepe paper!!