Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 8:00 PM, Proposal in the City (Episode 8)

Jinger, Michelle, Jessa, Ben and Spurgeon are all in the northeast meeting some of Jeremy's family & friends and visiting his old stomping grounds. Little does Jinger know, Jeremy has an important question he plans to ask before the trip is over!

 60 minutes

Proof that proposals draw ratings:  1.343 M viewers and a .4 rating.

89 comments:

Allie said...

I wonder who came up with this exciting script. I cannot imagine what Babe is going to ask Jinger.

Josie said...

It's so refreshing to see them come up with some new material! *eye roll*

Yes, we get it. Jinger is courting and Jinger is getting married. You know who else is getting married? About a billion other people!! This is not exciting, this isnt even mildly entertaining. It's been done. To death.

Willow said...

For sure Allie. The suspense is killing us LOL. I think the Duggars/TLC are trying to drag things out to create anticipation, but it just gets to the point that no one cares anymore. The Bates are similar. They had another show this week that was all flashbacks except for one tiny little conversation. They had 2 episodes this season called "from the couch" which is the Bates watching the Bates. Very boring; and they only have a half hour show to fill up and they can't (or won't) fill it up. They put off telling the interesting stuff because they think we will wait forever and watch crap in the meantime. I was still kind of liking the Bateses, but am just getting fed up. They need to make the audience feel appreciated, kind of like the Roloffs or the Kleins. Take a clue.

me said...

What about October free discussion?

Sharla said...

It's on the blog.

Just wondering said...

It said Jinger, Michelle, Jessa, Ben and Spurgeon were in the Northeast. Wait! Where was Michelle's buddy?He is so pathetically insecure how did
"mama" get away from his side for so long?

For crying out loud said...

Ewwwww... I just saw that gross picture on the Hollywood Gossip with ME-chelle and Dim Bulb each sucking on a freaking straw that is in some drink and looking at each other like they are 16 years old in 1950. It is hideous and Jilly Bumpkin and DerickDillard have one of those idiotic pictures. Gag a maggot.

Heart in Florida said...

TLC is dragging this "JinJer" courtship out so much that I'm just not interested any more in it. They need to quit the recapping, old scenes and get on with new content, all 44 minutes of this hour long snooze fest.

Nancy G, said...

I think the Duggars think it's oh so daring & wildly sexy to drink out of the same ice cream soda with straws that only a married couple can engage in such outrageous behavior.

Always said...

Re: Heart in Florida's comments about TLC recapping old scenes & getting on with new content. Sorry if this is offensive, but what they need to do is shut down this circus immediately, unless people want to see them marry off Joy. After all, the boys haven't even decided if they want a wife that's a blond or a brunette & they don't move very rapidly You know it's "Duggartime.".

Heart in Florida said...

"Always": I agree with you that they need to be shut down, but they aren't going without a fight, so they need to step up the content and get on with things already and enough look backs, flashbacks, and recapping what we just saw. The content needs major overhauling and these kidults need a real life, MINUS a spouse to give themselves some clout in their family. I don't take your post as offensive to me in any way.

too bad,so sad said...

I think TLC might want to get away from the same old, same old and go with the new type of reality shows, like leaving Amish or the documentary about leaving Westboro Baptist Church etc.
One or more of the Duggar kid/adults could leave Arkansas, and go out into the big wide world and start to interact with the vast diversity of people who make up the USA. No, not to "bring them to Jesus" but really learn to listen to their stories about their lives. In one article one of the J girls made a cringe worthy statement in front of an abandoned concentration camp in Germany. Start there, listen to the stories of concentration camp survivors. Then move onto listening to maybe a young student from an ivy league school, and young people developing new technology and on and on. Go to a huge city library and see how much there is to know, go to a huge museum of Natural Science like the one in NYC, an art museum see a Broadway play and listen to a symphony. Interact with people who they can just not feel superior to. Feeling humbled by others' successes can make a dent in the denial of the wickedness of the real world around them. It would diminish there feeling that they need to go to other countries to teach them and exchange it as a chance to recognize how much they have to learn. As long as they are insulated in their compound or on scripted tours of other countries they will just never be interesting.
Either that or just get off tv.

Estella said...

IF the Duggars did any of the things that "too bad,too sad" suggested, reality might hit them and they would realized they are not a "concert pianist", not professional anythings & that there was an earth millions of years ago, etc. by viewing the exhibits in the Natural History Museum. Most of what Jimbob has drummed into their heads is pure garbage si
they must remain in their protected world for the rest of their lives their truths to be believed.

Isa said...

My bet for the tonight show : the whole episode will feature Jeremy's family saying that Jinger is a nice sweet young woman perfect for him and we'll see them visiting some places... And at 0.4 sec from the very end we'll see Jeremy on a knee saying : "Jinger..." Ohh you'll have to wait next week to know...

Issa said...

I wonder what the kids said when Jessa bought wooden dolls and dinosaurs coloring book for the girls they were babysitting.

Wendy Heusel said...

guess the duggars are now wearing shorts. jim bod said the boys are never allowed to wear shorts. now the girls jessa and jinger are wearing shorts. what happened?

Captain Crunch said...

I think Anna's got another 'M' in the oven. Redemption baby...how precious...eye roll.

lisa mcginges said...

wonder how jinger know he is the one. keeps talking as they are getting married not even engaged yet?

Jeanette said...

Ok, so I just saw the footage of last week's episode and heard something I hadn't heard before: They're at the ring store and Jim Bob, off camera, says, "Don't get any ideas!" So, Jeremy picks a ring out and gets it! I think Jeremy is enjoying sticking his thumb in Jim Bob's eye every time he's passive aggressive!

Jeanette said...

I thought the proposal was sweet. Very natural.

Ginger said...

Re: Nancy G's comment about the Duggars thinking it was wild & crazy to be able to drink an ice cream soda using only one straw, something only married people could do. I remember around the time Jill was getting married & Michelle was reminiscing about all the things she realized she could do now that she was married. She actually said she realized she could use Jim Bob's tooth brush if she wanted to. Honestly folks, I couldn't make this up

Ginger said...

Re: Jeanette's comments about Jim Bob in the ring store saying off camera, "don't get any ideas." Can anyone out there tell me what he thought they were going to the ring store for, other than for a ring? Please this is beyond ridiculous!

Aunt Bea said...

Such a contradiction, yet again with those shorts on the girls. This family has gone out of their way to publicly state that "they can do everything in a skirt", haven't they? So now, they say that kayaking is better NOT is a skirt. Those child baby boats they were in last episode in that pool would have been better with shorts on too, but they struggled in skirts...how ridiculous they looked playing in child's equipment. They were clearly too tall for those things.

Jessa, Ben and Spurge needed to stay home and Jim Bob should have gone on this trip. Jinger's parents would have been appropriate to accompany her on this extended family get together. Tagging along her chaperones only proved to me that this family insinuated that they don't trust the male Vuolo family members to be in the presence of their daughter and that they might to something "inappropriate". That's how I see it. I also find it not necessary to have them always chaperoned at their ages, but we have said this many times. Of course, Jinger KNEW about the proposal...she was counting on it from one week after they "officially" courted.

Just me! said...

Don't worry, Jana was home to care for everything...

Just me! said...

That was pretty funny! Just like when they were visiting Jeremy's church and JB said something like "let's pray Him about it" and Jeremy told JB "Well I already talked to Him and I can tell you what He said!".

Just me! said...

They wear shorts under skirts when doing sports...

CindyLu said...

I think Jana and Joy should move into the 'guest house' and start their own business - maybe a cleaning or nanny service. They currently provide these services without being paid and could use the money to escape Duggarville.

I truly hope Jeremy's family saves Jinger from the brainwashing she has received all these years. Did you see Grandma hug her? Awesome! Jeremy's mom and grandma had on - wait for it - PANTS! No lightening struck and nobody yelled Nike.

Wonder who chaperoned Michelle while the kids went kayaking? Spurgeon? I guess since he is a male, he was responsible for the defenseless female.

DJ said...

Jinger cooking had me laughing - can she honestly say she's never put her hands into ground meat to mix it? Never has made a meatball or meatloaf? They all acted like Grandma made this new invention of pasta and meatballs. I don't have a lick of Italian in me but I know how to make pasta. Good grief.

His Grandma was cute, though. I think she just ate up the attention of wide-eyed Jinger hanging on her every move in the kitchen.

Auggie said...

When Jeremy's Grandmother pulled back Jinger's hair while she was cooking, I was hoping Grandma would pull out an elastic and explain the hygiene of not having hair dangling in food. Maybe we'll see that on the 'extended version' next week.

I also thought Anna looked like she had a baby bump showing through an otherwise loose fitting t-shirt. So we'll have Anna, Jessa, & I'm guessing Jill all going to be pregnant at the same time. I wonder how soon Jinger will be married and join the baby race?

Aunt Bea said...

No, sadly they wear those capri-length leggings under their skirts. The girls have never work shorts per se....Jessa for the first advertised time, wore loose shorts last summer when expecting Spurge at the guest house pool and posted it on her Instagram.
I'd like for a 30 minute show where Mrs. Vuolo Sr, talks and explains who they are and what they believe as compared to the Duggars. I'd like to know what background she has if she isn't Italian....Jeremy is hardly described as Italian to me. He has SOME Italian in him, that's all. TLC< please quit the "mama mia, that's a spicy meatball" shtick already. It's also apparent that Jeremy will NEVER get any good home cooking out of Jinger. Burnt food, and stale bread sandwich.....? Welcome to your life, Jeremy.

Jeanette said...

Yes, Ginger. Jeremy prays too and is an adult with a relationship with God of his own. He also isn't one bit intimated by Jim Bob as perhaps Ben was. He's also not star struck like Derrick was. Jim Bob is losing his control over his children. Jinger looked so happy to be learning to cook something with Jeremy's sweet grandmother. I think she is finding her wings and can't wait to fly off.

Elspeth said...

Anna wasn't pregnant back in July. If she had been, she'd be hugely pregnant by now and she isn't.

Just me! said...

Well... Supposedly... Jeremy said that he wanted to go *only* to have a look and get an idea about what would Jinger love *eventually*... But what a coincidence when the guy showed him a ring that was exactly the right size for Jinger! Jeremy said I cannot let it there...

Elspeth said...

TLC presumes we all just arrived dropping off the turnip truck.

too bad,so sad said...

Did Jimbob really say "don't get any ideas???"
I remember the long explanation, repeated several times about how there is NO dating, only courting and by courting they mean getting to know each other with the intention of marriage. So, Jeremy starts to court Jinger, looks at an engagement ring and "shouldn't get ideas?" Engagement/marriage was supposed to BE the idea.
Can they work on getting the story straight? Good grief, they must have a transcript of every show.

Aunt Bea said...

too bad, so sad: YES, Jim Bob did say that, I heard it too. I think he was meaning that they hadn't "courted" long enough in his opinion and that it was too soon at this time to "move to the next level" as they put it. Ridiculous either way.

I lied. said...


I apologize. I said I would never watch it but I happened to be there when someone I was visiting with turned it on. I tried to get them to reconsider and change it but...noooooo!
So I saw the engagement FRONT HUG?? I'm surprised they didn't have to call an ambulance for Jim Bob when his head exploded.

What was that word I heard twice? I think Jessa used it once and Jinger did, too. Correct me if I am wrong but I think they say 'gots-to'. And I want to scream when I hear such awful English such as "with Jeremy and I" ...or Michelle and I's plan is ....or Derick and me is going to .... STOP THAT! JUST STOP IT!

Ava said...

RE: Ginger's comment about Michelle reminiscing about all the things she realized she could do now that she was married. She actually said she realized she could use Jim Bob's tooth brush if she wanted to.

Maybe like someone I know who, while going through a nasty divorce, said she wanted to use his toothbrush on the toilet. Maybe Michelle, too, like this ladu was thinking a bit passive-aggressive. LOL!

Judy said...

At least something actually happened in this episode. I'm also very pleased that they frontally hug and that they walk with their arms around each other. Ever so slowly, the younger Duggar women are starting to explore ways of being in the world other than Jim Bob's.

smee said...

This show is mind numbingly boring and seems to be targeted at children and very sheltered homeschooled middle schoolers. WASTE OF TIME

Just Disgusted said...

I agree with Sharla's comment the proposals draw more viewers. Just wait until they start shopping for the gown, which I think they already have & making plans for this intimate wedding. Then I'll bet the numbers are up to 4million at least.

mickey2942 said...

Ugh. I have been married for 35 years, and would not use his toothbrush.

Little Bits said...

Re:I lied comments about the way the girls & their poor command of the English language. Not one of the Duggars has a decent command of the English language. It's been that way from the time the show started & not likely to ever change. I think Derrick the college graduate, is getting worse every time he speaks. The Duggars bring people down in every way possible. Look at Derrick, he had a decent job & just threw it away to go on this ridiculous mission trip. What's he going to do for work when they return to AR? I don't even know how many kids they have just sitting around the house everyday but those kids could at the very least be doing some charity work. There must be people in need in their area. There are always people you can give a helping hand to. The Duggars are for the Duggars. They don't need to improve anything about themselves, least of all their English. Don't count on that happening, because it's not going to.

Ridiculous said...

Re:Just Me's comments about Jeremy being in the ring shop. Isn't it also strange that Jim Bob didn't even think that it was Ben that set the entire scenario up. Jessa had the ring size etc.

Captain Crunch said...

I think Jeremy's dad is half Italian, however, I believe Jeremys mom is at least half too, so Jeremy is about half.

Heart in Florida said...

It would be nice if the Vuolos mentioned what their background is since TLC is making a big deal about the "Italian Vuolos". Being Italian myself, I'd like to know. I would also like to know just how much of an influence it will be for Jinger? Italians and most of those from the NE are a close, affectionate group. We greet each other with REAL HUGS and will be kissed...Jinger has some adjusting to do. What is her take on that?

Aunt Bea said...

It's sad that all of the older Duggar sons were available for a family meeting AND will be available to "renovate" the guest house. Those young men should have been either in class (in a real college classroom) or at work (at a real J.O.B.)Goes to show you they hang around the house and wait the their daddy to give them their "chores" to do, ie, clean out this rental house, paint that one, etc. How could the Vuolos, the Seewalds, the Dillard-Byrums AND the Kellers have been happy about these unions? I'll never know. One thing for sure, the Vuolos are the FIRST REAL FAMILY that the Duggars are encountering. It will be interesting to see how the Duggars participate in this wedding...which side's customs will win out? If Jinger is marrying in Laredo, Texas, many of Jeremy's family member won't be able to attend, especially is it's during the week. That won't sit well with the Italian part of the family, I know from experience.

Dianna said...

When Jill called Grandma Cathy about bringing toys home for Izzy was something said about they were going back in 4 months, after the wedding?

Once upon a fan said...

Now that Jinger is engaged I'm really curious to see if Jim Bob purchases a house or gives Jinger money for a down payment fora house in Texas? It seems really unfair that he provides rent free homes to all of his newlywed children, and didn't do anything for Jinger and Jeremy.

Smokey said...

This is all scripted and probably rehearsed a million times.

Disgusted with Duggars said...

I don't know if anyone else noticed but when Jeremy & Jinger were at the Duggar home after announcing that they were courting, they went outside & sat on a bench together. As they did this, at least 3 or 4 little Duggrs ran to the window closest to them to watch Jinger & Jeremy. This made me sick to my stomach. Jinger is not 14 or 15 yrs. old. She absolutely does not needs all these little kids watching her. What are they teaching these kids? To me it seemed as if someone in the Duggar home was saying to the little ones "hurry & see what they are doing." Nobody has any personal space or time in that house. I hope Jinger does move far away. At least far from the prying eyes of a bunch of little kids.

Aunt Bea said...

"Disgusted..", Yes, I agree with the lack of ANY privacy. The parents aren't teaching their children to respect anyone's space. They should have been shooed out of the window. I don't think the Vuolo family, although they like Jinger, likes the Duggars and their way too much. Hopefully, they have advised Jeremy to live his own life with Jinger and get her out of the way of her family. I think if Jinger were to be closer to Jeremy's side of the family, and lived up there, it would do her an enormous amount of good. I hope dad Vuolo is looking for a church for his son up there in the PA, NJ area.

Heart in Florida said...

How did they come to terms with Jeremy's father doing the "pre-marital counseling"? I think that's why daddy Duggar is in Laredo, because he wants to sit in on the couseling and make sure it's what he wants to hear. But....I also believe that a neutral pastor should be counseling them, as sometimes, even as close and religious as they claim to be, you just don't want to say some things to your "father-pre-marital counselor". A conflict of interest if you ask me.

Just Me said...

Re: once upon a fan's comments. I'm am no fan of Jim Bob's I can't stand him, but how do we know at this point in time that he hasn't done anything or Jinger & Jeremy? They haven't even announced the date of the wedding unless I missed it.
Also I noticed there is another "just me" on the blog. I have been using that name for a number of years & will continue to do so.Perhaps you could be Just ME #2.

Jeanette said...

I really think Jeremy and Jinger will transcend the Duggar ways. They've already flouted several of the rules. I can't see Jim Bob knocking Jeremy's arm off of Jinger's shoulder the way he did Derrick's. And it was strange that Jim Bob wasn't invited to New Jersey. And Michelle was practically mute there. As for the Duggar young men, Jim Bob can't indefinely support all of his children and their children. These boys will eventually have to get a job, but will have no experience to speak of.

Heart in Florida said...

I'd be willing to give a new "show" about how Jinger and Jeremy are adapting to Laredo together and cut out Jilly and Jessa altogether. After all, Jill and Jessa are boring mostly because they are more of the same as 19Kids were. They don't really deviate from their parents much, so that makes for boring TV.
How will Jinger fare in Texas when she has to run her first errand ALONE in a new city? The cameras don't have to follow her, as she wouldn't be alone then, but a TH with her about how she felt and how she handled it would be of interest.
I also thought that Grandma Vuolo greeted Jinger like a fan who watches her on TV. The give away to me, was when Grandma said to Jing.. " I feel like I already know you". I immediately thought, that was from seeing them on TV all these years.
I also hope that Jinger and Jeremy spend Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve and Christmas up in NJ with the Vuolos. She will see how much fun it can be and what real, good food tastes like with a real family. Now, that's a show I would give a try and watch. I'm sick of Jill and Jessa, etal.

Shelli said...

That whole surprise proposal was such a sham. The taped marks to instruct Jinger where to stand were clearly visible on the patio stones. Why the lie? I would be more respectful of this family if they said it was a reenactment and not try and pull one over on the viewers. Personally I think Jeremy's proposal should have been a private moment between themselves and their family and friends but we all know that private isn't a word the Duggars embrace. God forbid if we catch a fleeting glimpse of a daughter's collarbone but labour and delivery shots, romantic personal moments and funerals for fetuses are gleefully broadcast for the world to see. Such pathetic attention whores and such horrible liars.

Miss Meagan said...

What was with Ben bouncing around like a puppy looking for a pat after the engagement? There is something off about that guy. He Is like a kid who can't stand seeing someone else get attention. Anyone else think that Jessa might be a bit jealous that her little sis gets to marry a grown up while Jessa is stuck with the Boy (not quite a) Wonder?

Sharla said...

Posts from anyone claiming to be "freejinger" will not be published. It's infringing on a group identity.

Misty said...

How creepy to have their dads do premarital counseling. Jeremy is supposed to be minister himself and Jinger is such a child. Just leave them alone is what I say.

too bad,so sad said...

Skip the Dads doing premarital sex. Way awkward and not enough researched information.
Call in Dr. Ruth!!!! Yes, at 88 she is still going strong.
In case you are too young to know who that is: https://www.youtube.com/user/drruth
She had a tv show where she answered all and every question about relationships and sex. Matter of fact and completely honest.

Meme said...

Heart in Florida: Yes! I too am so tired of Jill, Derick, Jessa, Ben, Josh, Anna, Jimbob and Michelle. These are BORING people who have nothing going on in their lives. No jobs, interests, hobbies, or obligations beyond the staged activities supplied by TLC. Honestly, the youngest children have more personality. They are such bums.

Elizabeth said...

Dr. Ruth would shock & scare innocent Jinger who probably thinks a front hug is nearly going all the way and sharing a toothbrush, like Michelle said she could do when married, is really wild behavior!! I get the impression Jinger is in for some surprises.
too bad, so sad..thanks for letting us know Dr. Ruth is still giving advice. I used to watch her all the time!

Ginny said...

Seeing Michelle visiting Jeremey's family for the first time I have to ask, doesn't that woman have a couple of decent dresses? Something a little better than that long skirt, black stockings, & the same blouse in different colors for each day. I think most of us when meeting the future in-laws would want to dress a little better. She certainly could wear a dress that might be an inch or two below her knees. Of course we don't ever want to see her knees, remember how she had them blocked out when wakeboarding? Those are no thrift store suits, shirts & ties, that Jim Bob wears when the occasion calls for dressing up a bit. Derrick's mom, Ben's mom & now Jeremey's mom, certainly dress appropriately. I believe she is calling attention to herself when she claims to be so modest.

Willow said...

I agree with you Meme. The folks you mentioned have had MORE than their share of camera time. Get the middle kids something interesting to do and IF you do, film them instead, at least for awhile. I think we all know the reason they don't find them something interesting to do is that they don't want them to do anything except get married and have babies. I am skeptical that they will show much of Jinger and Jeremy in Laredo, as it is not Jim Bob's vision They are not under the Duggar compound. I predict there will be a family member "visiting" a LOT in the early days or longer, of Jinger's marriage.

Heart in Florida said...

Ginny, Michelle has to stand out with her "flamboyant modesty" at all times. Her clothing itself brings attention to her, but not in a complimentary way. She doesn't seem to care as long as she's looked at and noticed. She looked awful in July's heat wearing that long black skirt, black stockings and the Wicked Witch of the West shoes. I can't help but wonder if she notices a tasteful, properly dressed woman? How could she think that she doesn't want to dress more like that? Nothing has to "hang out" to look good.
I'm a bit curious as to what dress she will wear to Jing's wedding? Hopefully, she won't take her daughters' fashion advice...maybe she'll listen to a trained sales person who will advise her well still keeping with the "standards". It can be done!

Anonymous said...

Ben has no manners going first through the doors leaving Jesse and Michelle behind him. So rude. My goodness Ben.

Ginger said...

Re: Jeanette's comment about the Duggar boys eventually needing to get jobs. Not only don't they have any experience, they don't have any education. Let's face it those "Duggar Academy Diploma's" aren't' worth the paper they are printed on. I can't imagine having all those kids & not one of them with a decent education.

cali-girl said...

Some observations:

1. When Jeremy first showed his parents the ring for Jinger, his mother called it "precious."
That word in Duggar-ese is scary to me! Worried that his mother used it, if she's from the "outside" world.

2. Jeremy's grandmother, who seems like a sweetie, told Jinger upon first meeting her that she loved her. At first sight? That seems surprising to me--she could have said, "I've heard so many good things about you from my grandson", "welcome to the family" "I'm looking forward to getting to know you," etc.

3. Thinking about Michelle's "outfit of choice." You'd have to look pretty hard to find replacements for those one or two style shirts in different colors, those long skirts and black ortho shoes in a thrift shop, never mind anywhere else. I'm assuming she's not still wearing the originals.

4. Michelle gave Jinger a frontal hug after the engagement. Picture is on official Duggar Family FB page.

5. In the Counting On episode when Jessa and Ben were working out, I swear she was wearing black yoga-like pants. I know she was def wearing pants. No skirt. Which makes sense to me...far more modest..but still not the usual D fashion code.

6. With regard to seeing the younger children--I think it's because they are too young to
give their permission to be filmed, so it would go back to Jim Bob, and he'd get the $ too, don't you think? And even tho he and M put in many appearances on Counting On, I think that would put things in a different category--more 19 Kids and Counting-ish. and that's "supposed to be" over.

Not sweet said...

Cali-girl,
Re: Michelle's outfit of choice- remember those hideous red mother-daughter frumpers with the white Peter Pan collar blouses? Since someone cranked out dozens of them I wonder if they made up a batch of identical blouses for Michelle. They may have found a bolt of fabric donated to a thrift store that they bought for .50 on bargain day and found a pattern for a dime at a garage sale.

They only had to point to Janarella and the sewing machine as Jim Blob hissed through his ugly old fake smile for her to 'stay sweet'.

smee said...

Heart in Florida--my sentiments exactly concerning Michelle's "flamboyant modesty". She wears ugly bright colored blouses buttoned up to her neck. Is the color modest? No. The overly bright, odd colored shirt is worn for attention which she desperately wants, no matter how fugly she looks. Fire engine red, canary yellow, pea green, orange. My question is where does she find these horrible shirts? And when JB is wearing the matching shirt it is double ugly. Those two deserve each other, that's for sure.

Heart in Florida said...

The "littles" aren't featured on this show because it's supposed to be about the "older" Duggar kidults. It started out last season about jut Jill and Jessa, becaue they are married and now count as real human beings, (as long as their husbands say it's ok)...but those two were so incredibly boring they've expanded the idea to include the older ones too. If it weren't for Jinger's story line, imagine how boring another season of this drivel would be. I hope good things for Jinger, but it's up to Jeremy.

too bad,so sad said...

I read on another site that JimBob asked Michelle if Jinger and Jeremy side hugged after the proposal. That made me wonder about sidehugs.
Michelle and JimBob had their babies and they must have carried them around with them in their arms, then as toddlers and preschool ages they must have also picked them up face to face and carried them. When did they stop the contact with their little children and only sidehug them? It seems so awkward, and I know it is judgmental, but I see it as wrong to stop that parent/child close interaction. I wonder how they did that without the child feeling really rejected and bad about their bodies.
I also wonder how they stopped the small children from hugging each other face to face. I worked with young children and they do that all the time. It is their way to show friendship and also a response to the other child being sad or hurt. It was a way they showed empathy and compassion. I wonder how the young Duggar kids showed each other those emotions. I am thinking asking each other,"do you need a hug" is not in their vocabulary.
I can imagine that more than one of their children might have some issues with intimacy.
Anyone have any insight to this?

Heart in Florida said...

too bad, so sad: I agree with your post. I have believed that all of the Duggar children have "intimacy issues". Having husband-initiated sex on demand and being "joyfully available" to him for that has nothing to do with intimacy. This family has had and still has many problems with various relationships stemming from their "hands off" policy, re: Joshua and their Gothard cult belief system. I don't think they have any real friends, siblings or not in their lives, because they haven't ever been allowed to develop any one on one friendships from childhood. Fear of speaking about anything that was contrary in the least to what their parents taught them and showed them was forbidden and seen as a sin. So, when someone has been conditioned to grow up "guarded in word and deed", how can any of them develop any warmth, meaningful relationships or love for others?
I think all of the Duggar spouses, so far and including Jeremy have been unpleasantly surprised or will be unpleasantly surprised by their behavior. Those stupid "side hugs" are quite telling. Look at the "cold distant" greeting Jinger extended to Grandpa Vuolo? I think he was hurt by her body language and it showed. This family has some deep problems and refuse to even consider that MAYBE, it just might be them and not the rest of the world.

Rudy Tecat said...

Re: "too bad, so sad"'s question about side hugs. Like most of the rules, this one was probably started after Josh's sexual assaults on his sisters. Just like the locks on the bedrooms, the no sitting-on-laps policy, "Nike", etc. If the policies were in place earlier, they certainly didn't stop old Joshie.

Willow said...

Smee: You are SO correct. Michelle is FAR from modest. Its a joke. Any woman who dresses her 12 or so young children in matching RED outfits and marches them duck-style around town is not interested in modesty. Seeing her knee would be a lot more modest than parading her children. She has sought attention at every turn. We all know it so she is not fooling anyone with the plain but NEON GREEN shirts. I don't think Jim Bob and Michelle can stand being "extras" on the show now. They are so far gone, they are jealous of their own children. I am sorry for being so harsh, but I just really think it is true.

Hello said...

Jboob and Mullet are absolutely jealous that the show is not about them anymore. Mullet must be green with envy that she has to watch her daughters get pregnant while she is not able to anymore.
This show needs to end. They try to end each show with a teaser and to tune in the following week to see what is going on. As soon as any of the girls pee on a pregnancy stick they het ob the phone to the media to announce a pregnancy. On the show for Jinger's engagement you can clearly see the tape marks of where they are to stand. As sson as any of the girls announce they are courting, everyone knows it is going to lead to a wedding. TLC needs to stop handing these people money for doing nothing.

Fed Up said...

When the Duggars returned home from N.Y. Jim Bob's most pressing question to Michele was about her chaperoning duties. She didn't even know how to answer him. she was stumbling all over her own words. Wonder why he was left home in the first place if he's such an expert on the chaperoning. Perhaps he didn't hear Jinger say that she & Jeremy would make their own decisions re:holding hand & frontal hugs. Obviously Michelle is too timid to say anything to Jinger, as it appeared that Jeremey kissed Jinger on the hand. of course,the parent say it' the kids own decisions what rules they will set for themselves. Jim Bob your days of king of the castle are over!

laura said...

'They needed some chaperoning'??? A 29 year old man needs CHAPERONING??
That's it. Jim bobs weird preoccupation with his children's bodies is not right. His reaction over the engagement front hug is not right. His doing the premarital counseling for his own kids is not right. His telling Jill and Derrick to call as soon as they conceived is just plain WRONG.
This is getting really weird.
TLC needs to set him upon with a therapist. GET HIM OFF TV!!! STOP paying a pervert to creep everyone out.
I am now at the truly disturbed point.
The accountability partners are there to keep the cults members from trying to escape, from telling others what is going on in the house, and from having time to oneself to question things that don't feel right, that they don't agree with, to develop their own thought processes.

And the state of AK just fed a little child to that 'man' and his joyfully available slave to warp into oblivion. They are all set to twist someone else's child into Jim bobs vision (shudder) of the Perfect Child.
He is a completely out of control narcissist pig and must somehow be stopped.
I feel more uncomfortable than ever about this family. Elephant in the room.

This is beyond old said...

Please make a note, the Duggars live in Arkansas (AR) not Alaska (AK).

laura said...

Wow I can't believe I made that kind of mistake, thanks for the correction. Thats what I get for being too lazy to type the whole word out.
I dont even know if I would have noticed it later. AR, got it:)

Willow said...

Laura - Your comments were so spot-on. Very well articulated. I have always thought these things. IMO, Jim Bob has extreme OCD about controlling those around them; obviously we all know that. I also think, however, that his need for attention was so great that he went ahead and had lots of children and now he may be realizing that he cannot possibly control every thought in their heads 24/7, plus their spouses and children. There are just too many and I don't think he realized that until it was too late. He is a very unusual person to say the least. He is going to have to face up to having some children or in-laws in the future that just may show him up a little and that is what he can't stand the most.

Aunt Bea said...

I don't know if these crude remarks that Jim Bob makes and his awful persona is somewhat a "character" that TLC has him portray or if this is really the man he is? Does anyone out these, who lives somewhat locally and knows of them know the answer to this one? Sometimes, JB's demeanor is badly acted out and I can't tell if he's "trying to be funny" for the camera or if this stuff is scripted for him. Thanks to anyone out there who knows and responds to this.

Just Me said...

Thanks to all the bloggers who noticed the tape on the floor for where Jinger should stand or the, "surprise question." Also the tape for Jeremy to let him know where to stand. I missed that.

too bad,so sad said...

On another site a questionnaire was posted that is given to men/boys who want to court.
I don't know if it is the same one JimBob used, but if it is out there why would he reinvent the wheel?
I think about 12 or so of the questions would be good talking points for the couple to share with each other. Drawing the Dad into it just seem to treat the couple like children.
BTW-141 questions about every little detail, even cake on your birthday and what your favorite color is. Not one single question about higher education. Not even asking if he has a degree or how he plans to keep learning throughout his life.
Here is the link:http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2013/06/the-pre-courtship-questionnaire/

Willow said...

The questionnaire is probably more about JB finding men who will do what he says, rather than about helping the daughter with information. JB probably figures if they will fill out a ridiculous, meaningless questionnaire, then they will probably be easy-going and intimidated by the Duggar machine. Does he keep them in a file cabinet and bring them out when he sees a contradiction? ("you SAID you like CHOCOLATE cake!") LOL. Really, it is probably that their world is so narrow-minded, they cannot risk a person around their family that isn't in lock-step.

Alicia said...

The boy/men Jimbob chooses for his daughters are financial loosers so what good is a 50 page questionnaire including finances? Ben has yet to work a day since we met the boy so he has no money other then what Jimbob gives him to survive. What's going on with Derrick, begging for donations and not working either. Jeremy???. The guy has not earned money since being a 2nd rate soccer player 4 years ago. He's not bringing in money if he depends on a few dollars of offering on Sunday at his poor, little church. Also, in the recent scene on the sofa where Jill is crying, that smile of Derricks is truly frightening, looking like he has a mouthful of fake teeth shoved in his mouth as part of a Halloween costume. He's a sickly, skinny, manbunned mess who is forcing Jill and the baby to live in a dangerous country. someone needs to speak up...maybe Jill?

Aunt Bea said...

Alicia: It goes against the Duggar belief system for Jill to ever speak up to Derick when not in agreement with his plans...remember that? They have trumpeted their values and lifestyle now for 10 years quite loudly on TV in all media. I guess Jill is now living out those values and it isn't so great for her, is it to be subservient and powerless to influence changes in her own household and life. She's getting what she wanted and deserves. I'm sorry if I sound heartless, I'm not trying to, but they have had an arrogance about them looking down at others who don't live like they do. So, what "goes around, comes around". Anna has stepped down from her pedestal also with Joshua and his betrayal of her...now I'm waiting for Jessa to crash. We'll see how "Mr. Jeremy" behaves towards Jinger..he looks like he wants to rule the roost too.

Cathy said...

I agree Aunt Bea with everything you say. I have a bad feeling about Jeremy. I feel innocent Jinger will soon have the beaten down look that Jill is wearing if she ends up alone in Texas.