Claim to Fame

Exactly what is this family's claim to fame? The parents keep having sex and popping out kids? Wow! Do people really find that to be impressive? I think it is the height of conceit to think that you have to replicate yourself 18 times. Someone please explain what is so wonderful about this situation.

I find it to be rather embarrassing. I think even the older kids are starting to be embarrassed by the whole situation. The little ones have no idea what is going on.

I don't understand why some people, such as Meredith Viera, think this is laudable. I got the impression, when I saw Matt Lauer pass them by, that Matt Lauer understands exactly what these people are doing. I think it's rather gross. It's bad enough they exist, now they have to make a tv series out of it.

Gee... look how we can herd everybody around. Look how we can prepare meals for an army. Look how we can run an industrial laundry. Look how we have a uni-sister and uni-brother clothes closet. They stand on a street in NYC and let everyone stare at them.

They sit there and grin and announce that they're gonna keep popping them out -- as long as they can. And Jim Bob always looks so damned proud of himself!

I really do feel sorry for those kids. Not only don't they have their own clothes -- they don't even have their own initials!

69 comments:

KJ said...

I got the impression, when I saw Matt Lauder pass them by, that Matt Lauder understands exactly what these people are doing.

I got the impression, when I saw Matt Lauer pass them by, that he had a cue on a different camera and needed to hit his mark. They were doing LIVE television.

I know these sites are for supposition and commentary, but let's at least be realistic, can we?

Snow said...

I, for one, am interested in how they manage their family and I find them likeable.

A Mom said...

Yes, this was live television.

And regardless of whether or not it is worthy, it is commendable to raise a healthy, loving family of any size regardless of your values.

I say if Women's lib wants to keep Roe V. Wade in full force, they need to begin to respect this woman's choice for her uterus.

To mock it is simply childish. Not envy or jealousy--just childish.

What purpose does it serve, really?

If you are for a woman's right to choose, then what's the problem?

If you are pro-life, then what's the problem?

The arguments against this familiy just don't hold water for either situation so I fail to see what the...fuss is all about.

And the kids do have their own initials. The middle names do not follow the same fate.

And I have a friend who names all her kids with C-names (all 3), I have a friend who's children's name all end in A...(all 3)...

To each his own.

Dazzling Rose said...

Yeah, I think this is a little over the top. You don't have to agree with them having that many kids, but to suggest they have this much arrogance is a little over the top. They were approached with the idea of the TV specials and then approached again for the series. I doubt they submitted an audition tape or came up with the whole concept.

They paid for the whole family before TLC without welfaire or government assistance (as far as I'm aware, let me know otherwise because that does change my perception of them), they have every right to have as many kids as they want.

Didn't that article (or maybe it was a comment) below say they're having all these kids becuase they experienced a miscarriage on birth control? After having experienced that myself I can say that I don't think their decision to welcome every child they're "blessed" with is selfish by any means.

Anonymous said...

Actually I remember Josh saying that Matt Lauer was leaving the set. The Duggar's interview was next and Lauer was not part of it so he likely did not have a mark to hit.

Anonymous said...

Geeez- What is so amazing about this family is that they chose to have 18 kids and they are entirely self sufficient, even before the cameras arrived. They are living the American dream with 18 kids instead of two. It drives me crazy to hear that she just keeps 'poppin em' out- she's not a crack whore making bad decisions, but parents who are strong in their faith. I guess one possible reason people may feel uncomfortable with the Duggars is they are making some people examine their ownselves a little closer and people are not liking what they find! In the words of John Stossel- GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

SuperMomdel said...

I think we should let them live how they have chosen. This is America after all, and they are hurting no one. Michelle is a lovely person and a great mom. All those kids are well-behaved and beautiful. They are truly kind-hearted, which is rare these days. I think we could take a page out of their book.

Ruthe said...

I half-heartedly agree with the opening post. But seriously, 18 kids ... and there are no plans to to stop having more anytime soon? It does seem very irresponsible in this day and age.

I didn't see the Mother's Day show on NBC, but on the show last night, did you see the looks on the girl's faces when the announcement was made?

As a parent, I could not imagine sending a portion of my kids in a number of NYC cabs, by themselves, with no parent or adult, halfway across Manhattan to Times Square. There did happen to be a police car parked behind the cabs at one point, so maybe they had some sort of assistance in getting the brood to Times Square in a more responsible fashion.

On the plus side, it looked as though Jimbob whipped out his own credit card to pay for gas for the bus, the airline tickets and for lunch. You've gotta give him that - but who knows, maybe it was a TLC card.

MidnightSun said...

I don't understand why the Duggar's get so much criticism for the life they choose to live. Not everyone is going to agree with or understand their lifestyle, but is their CHOICE to live their life by the Bible, and in my opinion, no one has a right to tell them how they should live.

If they can afford their children and not have to rely on government assistance to support their family, then it's no one's business what they do. All of the kids are healthy, happy, and well loved.

I do not see the Duggar family becoming the spectacle that the Gosselins have become. Jim Bob and Michelle seem to have much more sense than that.

JMO...

MidnightSun said...

As a parent, I could not imagine sending a portion of my kids in a number of NYC cabs, by themselves, with no parent or adult, halfway across Manhattan to Times Square.

There was at least one additional adult traveling with them. Did anyone notice the dark-haired woman than accompanied them everywhere? In the beginning of the 1st episode, she was wearing a pink blazer/coat.

She was with them pretty much throughout both episodes.

Also, I would imagine that Jim Bob and Michelle did not go into the same cab. At least I hope they split up - I didn't notice if they did or not.

That Girl said...

The dark haired older woman that was with them was Jim Bob's mother. They mentioned that she sometimes comes with on trips to help out towards the beginning of the show. Plus I'm sure if TLC offered to pay her for her appearances (which they might have, I have no idea) Michelle and Jim Bob wouldn't mind a bit. Unlike other moms we could mention..

I watched the show last night and it was ok. Kind of boring, but I'd imagine with a devout Christian lifestyle like that to a lot of us it would be boring. Maybe it'll get more interesting as the season progresses. Or maybe not. Guess we'll just have to watch and see. At least the kids all seem happy and well adjusted. Regardless of what you say about Jim Bob and Michelle they are providing a loving and warm home for their kids.

pugsnkids said...

You're right, it must be tough growing up in a family where your parents consider you a BLESSING. Oh the horror! How do their kids have any self esteem at all?

Cassandra said...

I think the original post may have been confusing. It was definitely misunderstood.

I don't give ($#$)# that the Duggars have 17+ children. They can do whatever they please... as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.

I was merely pointing out that, personally, I don't understand what makes them so "special." It is not earth-shattering that they managed to pop out 17 kids. Why are they looked up to? How do they rate a tv camera following them around?

They haven't found a cure for cancer. They haven't even put 17 kids through college. The kids are being "educated" by not-highly-educated parents. Exactly what have they done? I just don't think the fact that they continue to have "unprotected" sex is something to admire. I actually think it's gross and if I were them I'd be embarrassed -- not flaunting it. Perhaps, like some other people we know, the Duggars have little personal insight also.

As for the kids... Look at me -- I'm number 6. Look at me, I'm number 12. Would that really make you feel "special"??? The kids see how quickly they seem to "get over" each new baby, and go on to the next one. For heaven's sake, the kids have to make appointment to see their mother!

Anonymous said...

Cassandra, I really dont get what your trying to say. So from what your saying to be on TV you have to have done something really important ie: cure cancer. If that is the case than who do you deem worthy of reality t.v? Seriously, until I hear neighbors, friends and volunteers coming out of the woodworks letting us know that they are not practicing what they are preaching then you will have no room to talk- until then, your comments about their lifestyle choices are way off the mark. The right to choose works both ways.

Anonymous said...

This is what I think: The Duggar's faith is their number one priority. They put the Jesus Christ first in everything they do and believe. They are raising children to have the same beliefs. This is their way of trying to make the world a better place.

While I don't personally think populating the Earth with 18 kids is my kind of responsible, I am not going to point and laugh and call them names. Bottom line, I think the Duggar's are decent people. Isn't that what matters most?

Anonymous said...

I find the Duggars interesting. They are different from most families in the country and enough people have apparently been interested in that difference for TLC to launch a show. One really doesn't have to cure cancer to get a TV show. In fact that would pretty much guarantee that you wouldn't or wouldn't take it. I have a child engaged in cancer research and being on TV is not on the radar.

I admire the Duggars for having a belief system and being proud of it. I see no problem with children having chores. My kids did the laundry, grocery shopping, and housecleaning. As teens they prepared or started dinner a lot of the time. They can all keep house very well now.

I'm actually quite impressed that Michelle sees the children as blessings and not burdens and even after 17 can keep her cool and deal with two year old tantrums appropriately.

Anonymous said...

It's just entertainment. Try not to take it all so seriously.

SuperMomdel said...

I think JimBob is proud of his family - nothing wrong with that. And their clothes are a welcome change to the trashy junk worn by their same-aged worldly peers!

Strife said...

I agree with the opening post.

I even think the Duggers are worse than the Gosselins. The Gosselins are a public spectacle but at least the kids are in school. I believe they will be dysfunctional adults but I think they have the skills to get out in the world and try to deal with the problems their parents caused.

I think the Duggers are a quiet tragedy and I doubt the kids have the skills to break free and have a normal life if they would like to. Their parents might have chosen their life and it's their choice, but they are choosing for their kids as well.

lulubae said...

What is anyone's claim to fame in any case, when referring to reality shows? I find it interesting because it is a different perspective than mine. I wouldn't have 18 children. That is not for me. But I am not one to say whether it is right or wrong for them. I can relate in that children are a blessing and trying to do the best I can with what I have.

I don't see anything wrong with this show. To me the old addage rings true; if you don't like it, don't watch it.

Anonymous said...

One scene that stood out for me was the way Michelle spoke softly to little Johanna (what a cutie) after she acted up. She knelt down to eye level and explained in a calm voice why her behavior was inappropriate. I got the impression it was REAL Michelle Duggar and not just for the cameras. She handled the situation beautifully and I think this is exactly why the D. children seem to be so calm and good natured. I beleive they are well-parented even if I am not sure how I feel about the older girls' roles in parenting.

I'm not a huge fan of the Duggars...maybe I WANT to be a fan or I am a fair weather fan. I'm not sure. But much like I felt about J&K+8 when it first started, I just have that feeling that there is something there that we aren't seeing...yet. I feel there is more to them than meets the eye. Something doesn't add up but I can't quite put my finger on it. I hope I am wrong.

Anonymous said...

I think that the Duggars are better image managers than that other family. I feel that there's a lot about the Duggars that might not look so good on TV (blanket training, for example), were it shown. Still, my concern is that putting children on camera over and over is not right. If the Duggars "go Hollywood," then pooh to them.

Anonymous said...

im just really confused right now. so when the gosselins are on tv, everyone thinks theyre horrible parents because their children are on a reality show, they get freebies, and endorse a v-tech product. but the duggars are a "great christian family" and theyre so nice, and the mother is so sweet and blah blah blah. its such a double standard! you dont know what the duggars have gotten from TLC or whoever else. i can guarantee that they didnt build and furnish that enitre MANSION with no outside help...and they are even worse than the gosselins...they are just having kid after kid just for publicity! its sick and i think they are worse than jon and kate.

Anonymous said...

I have to disagree with strife. Even though the gosselin's are/ will be in public school vs. the homeschooling of the Duggars I think the Duggars will be able to have fine lives. Who's to say what is normal? Surely, your not saying the lives that the G's tups know is normal? All they have ever known are cameras! And freebies and celebrity! Whereas the Duggars seem mroe awestruck that people recongize them; esp. oppsed to Kate's 'don't look at us, don't talk to us, don't wave to us' mentality.

Also don't all parents choose to any degree what our lives are/will be? It seems you say that the Gosselins aren't choosing for their kids because they go or will go to public school. Have you heard whats been going on in our public schools lately? To me, that's not something I want for my children. I do think that the Duggars all have good enough sense and heads on their shoulders (all of them) to be better prepared in life than the gosselins. I don't really forsee any of the duggars needing therapy however how many of us can forsee therapy for at least a few of the Gosselins?
Case in point, locally there was a 17 yo freshman who took a gun to his public high school. Yes, that's right a 17 year old freshman- normally one is 14-15 when a freshman, btw; is his life normal because he goes to public school? Are any of his peers' lives normal for being in a public school with him? Even taking the religiousness out of homeschool, which btw many non-religious people homeschool nowadays, I think the Duggars will have the best chances at normal healthy lives; esp. compared to the Gosselins.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

Okay so I get that people dont like their choice of family size....but you know what? WHY is this a main article on this site. This isnt a pro life or pro choice site, this isnt a site about world population. This is a site dealing with kids being exploited on telelvision. I have to say I'm pretty disappointed that this was even posted.

Titi said...

Huh. Icky, just icky. That is my *personal* opinion, and it really isn't based on anything they're doing morally wrong per say, but based on my personal preferences which would be to NEVER have that many children. I think it's irresponsible at best and bordering on a damned shame at the worst.

The biggest problem, (and I haven't seen this mentioned yet), is that they have some kind of jacked up system of making the older siblings care for the younger. I don't like that. You have too many kids if you as a parent can't take care of their physical needs by yourselves. It isn't the job of your kids to take care of your kids. You need to let ALL your kids be kids, but with the system they have going, only the youngest get to be fully kids, while the oldest are thrust into a parenting role. That isn't fair.

The Duggars seem nice enough, but I think they are addicted to having children, seriously. When you have some kind of weird name schtik and the oldest almost completely caring for the youngest and the household as well, there is something deeply weird with the situation.

Kids should have chores and responsibilities, but should never be made to be little parents.

There is a reason scientists spent decades inventing birth control, hang up your golden uterus and let your kids be kids.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

Cassandra please don't claim to be simply saying they don't belong on TV.

"It's bad enough they exist, now they have to make a tv series out of it."

This is a direct quote taken from your little diatribe. This is not just about them being on TV. This seems be basically about your personal disgust at the number of children that they've chosen to have. Once again I have to express my displeasure with DWOP mods for making this a main article.

A Mom said...

"As a parent, I could not imagine sending a portion of my kids in a number of NYC cabs, by themselves, with no parent or adult, halfway across Manhattan to Times Square"

Regarding the cabs--I didn't pay 100% attention to the seating assignments...

But I do believe (correct me if the ages are off as I don't remember precisely), but they had

Michelle (mom) in one cab
Jim Bob (dad) in another cab

Grandma traveling with them--so she'd be in the third cab.

Josh is 20 and that would be an adult...

And Jana and John David are 18, aren't they?

That's 6 adults in 4-5 cabs.

They had to get somewhere and it was refreshing to see that unlike some other television families, they don't have a fleet of limo's at their beck and call.

A mom said...

Regarding the kids rearing the kids...

this is so untrue and such foolish nonsense any time I see it in print.

So the fact that I asked my 5 year old to help change her brothers diaper, or to do _____ or to do _____ or that my 8 and 5 year old were made to scrub the dining room floor yesterday make them exploited?

Absolutely not.

My kids stated that it was like Cinderella and I did say yes--but the floor was so gunky from their messes and it was a learning point.

A family must work to together for the family regardless of the family size.

The armchair parenting advice--especially by those who opt to not have children, --it almost sounds...no it sounds exactly like their should be no chores, no responsibilities and don't you dare ask for a helping hand of any kind of any of your children to help with another child. That in all cases it would be child exploitation.

So how precisely does a child "learn" life skills.

Just b/c an older child knows how to care for a baby (I know SEVERAL teens who know how to care for babies--whether they are an only, from a small family or from a large family)--doesn't mean that they have taken the place of a parent.

Opinions are great--however, even though this isn't a pro-life, pro-choice discussion, the OP really made that point...

If 18 children isn't something YOU would do..that is your choice. To call it irresponsbile, wrong--or any other disgusting things I have seen on the internent about this woman...is downright evil. B/c you are placing your values on life onto this woman--which is inappropriate.

As for why they are on television. Many folks in the United states do not understand homeschooling. Homeschoolers in general are trying to have a voice.

It isn't child abuse, these kids are very intellegient and educated. You can tell by the way they conduct themselves.

Now--maybe the curriculum they choose isn't your cup of tea and that is fine.

But for those who are anti-homeschooling and beleive it should be left to the professionals...here is your credentials to be able to say with certainty that homeschooling is wrong.

I home educate my children. They are doing quite well thank you very much. But I am fascinated with television production and have ideas of "day in the life" productions to illustrate what homeschoolers really do and not in a mocking way.

Just b/c my children do not sit in a classroom with 20 children their age doesn't make them abused or a detriment to society.

Families like the Duggars love their kids, want the best for their kids. They haven't cured cancer. They haven't done anything that moves mountains. But they have a message that they wish to get out...that for a large family who homeschools with very conservative values...they are somewhat normal. And that is the idea.

I didn't see any previews for an upcoming episode..so even though it seems this is a series...it seems it may be a series of specials.

From a homeschooling perspective--part of the reason the duggars did this...it is hands on learning for the kids. Josh did a lot from a production standpoint on prior specials--and part of the experience I am sure includes learning.

My only disappointment with the series--is that Figure 8 is producing it. But I think the Duggars are so cemented in their morals that they can keep the line firmly drawn to protect their family and their home.


As for Matt Lauer--he may not have a mark to go to for the next segment--but in the News World--even though it appears that they just read a bunch of stuff on the monitor and call it a day--he probably had to run off and prep his next segment (prep as in review notes and get mentally prepped...not go and research or anything like that).

A mom said...

"Huh. Icky, just icky. That is my *personal* opinion, and it really isn't based on anything they're doing morally wrong per say, but based on my personal preferences which would be to NEVER have that many children. I think it's irresponsible at best and bordering on a damned shame at the worst."

Okay--but again...going from a pro-life or pro-choice stance...

To have such conviction for other people's choices to procreate...is to desire to place your convictions on them.

You may find it icky for yourself..and that is a valid opinion. You don't want to do that, that is fine..that is your choice.

But to find what they are doing as icky even for them---well...basically you are implying that she shouldn't be allowed to do it b/c it is icky and wrong and irresponsible.

Birth control was invented to provide women an option to chemically control their fertility. The Duggars made a decision long ago that they know longer wanted to play God by controlling their fertitlity.

To suggest that she should use it b/c it has been invented for a reason is to suggest that she doesn't have the right to her own choice for her uterus.

I would hope you aren't suggesting that she have to listen to other people's convictions about what she should do regarding her reproductive rights--b/c that is a much more a shame than if she were to have 15 additional children.

Your choice to pop a pill or get an IUD or use a barrier device...her choice to not.

Why is this so hard to understand.

And if you are pro-life...it is a very contradictory opinion to say the least.

This blog entry really just doesn't have a place here--b/c what it does boil down to is a discussion which seems to have nothing to do with child exploitation.

Someone mentioned whether the family does all this on their own without assistance--Michelle and Jim Bob have never had any financial assistance or physical assistance (in the way another family has had that is...I'm sure they have had a doting relative come and help at some point as many families are blessed to have when new babies arrive especially at the beginning).

They purposed to be debt free years ago and everything they do is purchased with their own cash. When they completed their home--it was filmed and I am not sure if they received financial assistance or not when they expedited the process by getting a contractor. The home was a kit, so they had all the materials needed and they purchased much of the tools. (there is a website to the place they got the kit). TLC/Discovery IMHO comped them the decor much like what happens on This Old House (that my family was part of) and who wouldn't welcome a gift of that magnitude? Hardly relatable to accepting welfare and it is taxable (TOH gave us a 1099 or equivilant for all that they had "donated" to the show and subsequently to us that was taxable income to my family--b/c the vendors write it off on their taxes and then we have to account for it--and thus the extent of my knowledge of all that.)

Michelle and Jim Bob host a church in their home--so it is said that they are basically a tax exempt organization. However, again I am not an accountant, so I don't know how that ties to the rest of their finances. But hardly welfare--they are a very Christian family...they have a large family....they are welcome to start a church in their home and invite people to it. It doesn't make them the PTL Network or a Jim and Tammy Faye in the making.

chiasmus said...

To anonymous @ 10/02/2008 8:31 PM...What is blanket training? Thank you.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with anonymous. The Duggars are not having kid after kid for publicity. They were already having kids spaced closely apart for years and years before the media ever contacted them.

I am not sure how much they get paid, but I know for a fact that the Kids by the Dozen families were only paid $1,000 for their episodes. I personally know one of those families.

I don't have a problem with the Duggars. Their kids aren't pregnant teenagers, on drugs, attempting suicide, plagued with STD's, or alcholics as so many of the youth in America are today.

I really hope j&K+8 stay on the air long enough to be teenagers. I have some predictions about a few of their kids!

MomOfThree said...

The only difference between the Gosselins choice to do "reality tv" and the Duggars is that the Gosselins "have" to do this to support their family, as presently neither parent chooses to work at a job. The Duggars do not; they were self-sufficient (not to mention with a lot more people to support) long before TLC came a knocking on their door. I truly believe the Duggars motivation for doing the show is that they know people are curious about such a large family and it's workings. Perhaps they also feel that they maybe can inspire others who want large families to see that it can be done AND with grace and civility. Actually, it wouldn't hurt any of us to take a page from their book with regard to finances, raising responsible children, and putting family life above all else...not saying that we all need help in those areas. Really, now, whether we agree or disagree with their lifestyle, isn't it nice to be able to watch a show where children are clean-cut, neatly dressed and respectful and parents are not yelling?

Anonymous said...

It's a shame that Ma & Pa Duggar don't seem to emphasize a college education (or some other post-high school education) to their children.

In this economy, and the world as it is, a person needs additional education beyond high school or a GED.

I thought I had read that eldest son was/had attended college, but did he graduate? Or did he drop out of college to get married?

I also think it's sad that the eldest son got married so young.....he'll never have the valuable experience of having his own apartment and spending some alone time before jumping into married life.

cupcake tin said...

My problem with this series is making the choice for these kids to lose that amount of privacy. I don't think it is right.

All of the other objections to the Duggars seem to be rooted in the fact that they as a family reject Amercian values. They marry young, have TONS of kids, aren't terribly materialistic, ask their children to do hard work, and home school. I really don't see how any of these things are morally reprehensible. Weird and alien to most of us? Certainly! But surly the benefit to raising one's family in a free society includes those who reject what society values. We don't want child abusers or misogynists like that Fundamental LDS group, but I'm failing to see how the Duggar lifestyle is evil.

iluveeyore said...

Not only do the Duggars not encourage higher education (it's doubtful that any of their kids could get into a college), Oprah offered to send the two oldest girls to school to be midwives, and Jim Bob turned it down. It is believed that he did not want to lose any control of them. Thus, they were never on Oprah's show.

iluveeyore said...

I don't see anything wrong with this show. To me the old addage rings true; if you don't like it, don't watch it.

That is a ridiculous comment. You have no right to tell other people what to watch and what not to watch.

We don't want child abusers or misogynists like that Fundamental LDS group, but I'm failing to see how the Duggar lifestyle is evil.

I did not see anyone refer to the Duggar lifestyle as "evil." Gross... strange... but not evil.

MomOfThree said...

How do we know that the Duggars do not encourage higher education? The four oldest kids are 20, 18 (twins)and 17. They still have time to go to college or trade school or whatever, if they want. Granted Josh's website states that he and his brother have opened a car dealership, so they may not go. Yet again, I myself do not know of any 20 and 18 year-olds who own their own businesses...probably free and clear, too. I do, however, know of a few who are not pursuing their education and are currently working in dead-end jobs or not working at all. As for the girls, if some of them want to be midwives, then they will have to have education in that field. Just because they turned down Oprah's offer of free schooling, does not mean that they discourage education. And even if none of the Duggar children go beyond the the 12th grade in formal education, they can still look to their parent's example that people without college degrees can still be successful in life.

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

*Not only do the Duggars not encourage higher education (it's doubtful that any of their kids could get into a college), Oprah offered to send the two oldest girls to school to be midwives, and Jim Bob turned it down. It is believed that he did not want to lose any control of them. Thus, they were never on Oprah's show.*

Is there any evidence or proof or even someone in the know to back this up?

*That is a ridiculous comment. You have no right to tell other people what to watch and what not to watch.*

Just as others have no right to tell the Duggars what they should and shouldnt do with their reproductive systems. Just as people have no right to say that they shouldnt be alive.

That Girl said...

For those who were wondering about blanket training..

Blanket Training: a definition

/blanket training/: the act of teaching a baby or toddler to stay within the bounds of a blanket which has been spread upon the floor or ground. The blanket and practice may vary widely among users. Often, but not exclusively, practiced in large families.


It's basically the same idea as a playpen, but without walls.

Anonymous said...

Not only do the Duggars not encourage higher education (it's doubtful that any of their kids could get into a college), Oprah offered to send the two oldest girls to school to be midwives, and Jim Bob turned it down. It is believed that he did not want to lose any control of them. Thus, they were never on Oprah's show.

Proof Please, I would like to know where you come by this information. At least in the case of the Gosselins we have insiders confirming or denying things.

Anonymous said...

If everyone pursued a higher education, who would be our cashier, truckdriver, waitress? These jobs are important, they keep our country running. College is not for everyone. And just because you or child does not attend does not mean you are a failure. (And I am in no way trying to be demeaning in my above list of jobs, I know plenty of people that DID go to college that are now working one of the above listed jobs because they make more money doing that than what they paid to go to school for)

iluveeyore said...

Just as others have no right to tell the Duggars what they should and shouldnt do with their reproductive systems. Just as people have no right to say that they shouldnt be alive.

I don't care what the Duggars do with their reproductive systems. I just find it gross that they flaunt it... "Look what we've done!" I'd be embarrassed. (You might want to look into the use of apostrophes.)

The next time anyone posts on this blog, I'd be interested to know whether or not they are part of the Quiverful movement... i.e., followers of Bill Gothard. There seems to be a lot of them commenting here.

ME: non-follower

Cassandra said...

Blanket Training: a definition

/blanket training/: the act of teaching a baby or toddler to stay within the bounds of a blanket which has been spread upon the floor or ground. The blanket and practice may vary widely among users. Often, but not exclusively, practiced in large families.


It's basically the same idea as a playpen, but without walls.


There's a big difference between blanket training and the use of a playpen. The child on a blanket gets hit when it tries to leave the blanket -- either by a hand or an object, usually an object. A baby cannot try to get out of a playpen... and, thus, will not be hit.

non-Gothard follower

dizzy_squishling_and_bean said...

Not all blanket training is done with hitting, I've read on multiple sites that the Duggar's use redirection instead of hitting. Some people hit the ground in front of the kid, some people hit the kid, some people redirect.

Non Follower (but I don't condemn people for their beliefs)

So sorry to offend with the non use of apostrophes I never realized this blog was patrolled by the grammar police. Seriously lets all stick to the topic.

AmandaT said...

I am wondering about the info on blanket training and higher education. I have heard rumors about them doing so, but have never seen it backed up anywhere. To me, it does not seem like they would, as they talked about "never raising a hand to hit," etc.

As for higher education, I would also love to really hear their stance on this. I can see why they would turn down something free from Oprah - perhaps they don't approve of everything that she has on her show and therefore do not feel it's appropriate to take money from her.

Not saying this to challenge or disprove anyone - I really do want to be pointed in the direction of the sources so I can learn more.

I do believe that if someone wants to have many children, and has the ability to support and nurture them, then there is nothing wrong with that. I am not a "quiver-full" parent, but right now we are not trying, but not preventing. We have the resources to have another child, but we don't want to make a big deal out of TTC. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, we have a wonderful son already and I have always had a heart for adoption.
I do practice child-led weaning from breastfeeding, so that has extended the period of infertility after having my son (for me, it was 16 months).
I have heard that Michelle weans by a specific age in order to regain her fertility, and that they actively try to get pregnant. This is just a rumor as I have no reliable source . I certainly hope that it is untrue, because I do not agree with it. But who knows?

grannie annie said...

I still love the Duggars. They decided to do this not to make money but for their love for children. As far as I know they have never begged for anything.

A Mom said...

" A baby cannot try to get out of a playpen... and, thus, will not be hit."

I don't know if the Duggars "hit".

But playpens are nothing but a baby jail.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that the Duggars would advocate hitting their children for any purpose whatsoever. I do agree that I don't understand what their claim to fame is. I'm guessing it's because they are considered "different" just because of their strong christian beliefs. At least all of the children seem to be very happy there, and you can tell they are actually loved and wanted (unlike another TLC mother we all love dearly, lol). I loved when asked about being overprotected, one of the girls flat out said "get over it." I think that proves they are happy.

Anonymous said...

"I loved when asked about being overprotected, one of the girls flat out said "get over it." I think that proves they are happy."


IMO... I think that proves that the children don't know just how overprotected they are or how much they are missing from their lives. Just saying "get over it" does not mean they are happy.

dotsicle said...

Playpens are a "baby jail"? LOL, I like that. I didn't know that playpens were no longer politically correct. I had "Irish triplets" in a state faraway from family and friends, and a husband who would not watch his children for any reason. So, the playpen became my buddy. What do parents do without a playpen??
I never heard of "blanket training" until the Duggars. I doubt that Michelle hits the kids because of the house rule about not hitting, as someone above said.

Maggie said...

I have read a lot of people on different sites condemning playpens, and I don't get it either. Maybe it is modern thinking.

I know I was thrilled to have a place where a baby or toddler could be safe if I was cooking or cleaning. I tried to put it in the room I was in and put toys and books in there.

It just seems a lot safer to me than letting a toddler get into trouble if you have your eyes off of them for two minutes.

I would be interested to hear others views of playpens. Do they even make them any more?

Anonymous said...

Not only do the Duggars not encourage higher education (it's doubtful that any of their kids could get into a college), Oprah offered to send the two oldest girls to school to be midwives, and Jim Bob turned it down.

Oh my God, Jim Bob turned something FREE down?? I think that is awesome because we all know two people on TLC who don't turn anything down as long as it is free. I give the guy credit for having the guts to stand up for what he believes unlike Jon & Kate who only believe in the "what can you do for me" philosophy...

MomOfThree said...

I really doubt that the Duggars use hitting at all when they blanket train. If they did, I think the little kids would show evidence of this by hitting each other out of anger or frustration, like the Gosselin kids do. So far, it seems that they treat each other nicely. I remember reading once on the Duggar's website where Michelle talked about blanket training. She said the little ones practiced it when the older ones were doing their school work, I believe. It was the first I ever heard of it. It was a long time ago and I can't seem to find the article now, though. But consider this. If you think about it, each child is being cared for on a 1 to 1 ratio level, meaning that each small child is being cared for by an older sibling. I would imagine that since the younger child has the full attention of the older, there would be very little reason/opportunity for that child to misbehave. It isn't like mom is juggling 2 toddlers at her feet and a baby in her arms and she can't take care of everyone at once. This would cause the older children to act out for mom's attention and be jealous of each other. But in the Duggar household, each child has his/her own caregiver. They have the sole attention of their older buddy and perhaps this is the reason they are so well-behaved? The younger children's needs are being met and they are being nurtured and loved and thus there is really no reason for them to act out; blanket training is just part of their "schooling". Regardless of whether or not the older kids should be given this responsibility for their siblings, the younger ones seem to be thriving on the buddy system.

scaryskiernewjersey said...

I always used a playpen and would take it to the room I was working in and stock it with toys and treats. I had 3 kids in 4 years so that play pen was a needed piece of furnature. I guess since my kids are all mid twenties I was out of the loop knowing that they are baby jails. I had a neighbor that had a wooden bar type play pen, not mesh, and since her son was climber she would turn the thing upside down and he couldn't climb out! Since none of my kids had a "buddy" the play pen was my buddy!

Anonymous said...

"im just really confused right now. so when the gosselins are on tv, everyone thinks theyre horrible parents because their children are on a reality show, they get freebies, and endorse a v-tech product. but the duggars are a "great christian family" and theyre so nice, and the mother is so sweet and blah blah blah. its such a double standard! you dont know what the duggars have gotten from TLC or whoever else. i can guarantee that they didnt build and furnish that enitre MANSION with no outside help...and they are even worse than the gosselins...they are just having kid after kid just for publicity! its sick and i think they are worse than jon and kate."

I could not possibly agree with this more! The double standard is so frustrating. It seems like some people just go after the gosselins because they can. Not that they dont do things that are completely out of whack, but it seems like some of those same people do not think anything of the duggars doing the exact same thing. It just doesnt make any sense!??

grannie annie said...

I can't help it... I love it.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a follower of Gothard, Quiverful, blanket training or mullets.

My favorite Duggar is Amy.

I had a playpen for my first child in 1986 and used it if I needed to shower or use the bathroom or make a phone call, for her safety. Eventually, it became an oversized toy and blinkey storage facility and I banished it to the basement. If anyone else liked or likes to use a playpen, it's fine by me. All moms develop their own ways of doing things. Others, including MILs, should butt the heck out as long as the kids are not in physical or psychological danger to include neglect, stress and humiliation. That's my opinion and I am sticking to it. LOL

My mother-in-law, when trying to offer my BIL advice on how to be a good stay-home dad, said that I had good luck by "just throwing the kids in the playpen so I could get my work done."

Um....Helllooooo, MIL, you're not even close.

Anonymous said...

I ask you(anyone) this:

How would Michelle Duggar act in these situations:

4 year old boy has gum on sock and begs that his teddy/security item not be thrown in the garbage.

Family birthday celebration where cupcake decorating is the major activity.

Family member has opportunity to make a small amount of money from the show for allowing the interior of their home to appear in the program.

Producers wish to shoot footage of children in underwear, suffering with a stomach virus or potty training.

Michelle feels a little (or a lot) overwhelmed in a public place.

IMO, answer these questions honestly and you will have the reason why I, personally, have very little issue with the Duggars taping a show as opposed to the Gosselins.

I'd like to add that 2 years ago the Duggars seemed very odd to me and I could relate more to Kate and I thought she was refreshingly normal... at first. As I watched j&K more, this changed and I had this feeling that I was watching a 30 minute lie and being played for a sucker each time I tuned into J&K. And, for the record, since I know some of you keep records, I did NOT watch J&K tonight and I didn't miss them one iota.

Anonymous said...

I watched J&K tonight because it was on while I was waiting for the Duggars. I have to tell you that after J&K=8, the Duggars were refreshing! All the screaming and the kids bad behavior just rakes on my nerves after awhile! What would Michelle do with a certain Gosselin twin? That is what I want to know!

The Duggars all speak sweetly and are respectful of each other. I think they get that from watching how their parents speak and behave. Kate, that is a hint!!

Anonymous said...

Well, spare the rod and spoil the child. In fact, we do not know if the Duggars spank or hit their kids. We don't see them busing their kids to protest at anti-abortion rallies either, although I've read that they do. Unlike the Gosselins, who can't self-edit, I still think these parents are media savvy and careful about their image.

TN_Mamato4 said...

Here is the DIFFERENCE between the DUGGARS and "KON". Michelle is NOT constantly berading and belittling Jim Bob. The family isn't being herded like cattle from one event to another so that they can squeeze out another 30 minutes of fame. The Duggar children seem genuinely HAPPY versus the stressed out, nervous "KON" tups.

Furthermore, the Duggars are kind. While "KON" doesn't have the time of day for ANY fans or people that don't have something to offer them, the Duggars stopped and talked to strangers and took pictures. THIS show is actually REALITY. Jon&Kate+8 is scripted!

They are a REAL family, and I am interested in how they have managed to raise such a large family with great children.

Stop judging on the superficial hair and clothes, or we might start mistaking you for Kate Gosselin!

TN_Mamato4 said...

AND by the WAY,

The GOSSELINS are NOT in PUBLIC schools. But in a TUTION free PAID PRIVATE Christian School!!!!!!

texas gal said...

I love the Duggars! I wish they would adopt me, and I'm a grown woman!! But really It is soooo nice to see such a kind happy family after the dreaded Gosselins. Who cares if they live life differently, it works for them so dont knock it!

Anonymous said...

im just really confused right now. so when the gosselins are on tv, everyone thinks theyre horrible parents because their children are on a reality show, they get freebies, and endorse a v-tech product. but the duggars are a "great christian family" and theyre so nice, and the mother is so sweet and blah blah blah. its such a double standard! you dont know what the duggars have gotten from TLC or whoever else. i can guarantee that they didnt build and furnish that enitre MANSION with no outside help...and they are even worse than the gosselins...they are just having kid after kid just for publicity! its sick and i think they are worse than jon and kate."

I could not possibly agree with this more! The double standard is so frustrating. It seems like some people just go after the gosselins because they can. Not that they dont do things that are completely out of whack, but it seems like some of those same people do not think anything of the duggars doing the exact same thing. It just doesnt make any sense!??



I think a lot of people were responding less to the fact that the Duggars are doing a TV show and more to the hateful tone of this article.

Cassandra said...

The Gosselin twins are NOT in a "Christian" school. It is simply a private school. They went to a public school for Kindergarten. I think the first year (Grade 1) was actually paid for by Beth. This year, it's pretty obvious that the Gosselins are paying for the school themselves.

The tups are going to a pre-school three afternoons a week at their church. It's one hour away from their house. I'm sure the Gosselins are paying for that too.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure why everyone thinks that the shows are paying these folks a lot of money? I am friends with someone who did the "kids by the dozen" show, and they were paid 1,000. The dinners out were not paid for, and the time off work for the dh was not covered either. They actually lost money on the show.

J&K+8 said on a FAQ show that different retreats and hotels ask them to come and pay for their stay in return for the publicity they receive.

I saw that Discovery Health paid for some things when the Duggars were finishing their house, but I think it was a lot less than many people believe.

Anonymous said...

There's a huge reason I don't like the Duggar's, and it's that their lifestyle basically degrades women. I'm not saying their religious beliefs are wrong. I'm saying that it is wrong to not let women cut their hair and force them to wear skirts when men get to do whatever they want. They seem like a nice family, but very male-controlled, and that's what bothers me.

Anonymous said...

I believe that the reason they don't cut their hair and wear long skirts or dresses is from the Bible, not because the men in the family are forcing them. There is a verse about a womans hair being her crowning glory, and that women should not wear mens clothing. Many religions follow these guidelines for women, not just the Duggars.