Tuesday, July 28 - Duggars and Bates Reloaded

The Duggars always enjoy a visit from the Bates family. But this time it's the Duggars who are on the road to visit the Bates. Watch as the Duggars arrive just in time to give the Bates a Duggar-sized gift!

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Teach Me to Be Still said...
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Anonymous said...

I have to agree. In fifth grade I was homeschooled while supervised by a visiting teacher for a few weeks due to illness and surgery. When I returned to class, the regular teacher called the visiting teacher and my mother and asked what she was supposed to do with me for the rest of the year. In those few weeks I'd covered what she planned for the class to do in the last three to four months.

Jinger Rocks! said...

A Duggar-sized gift. Hmmmm...what could that be? Well, the Duggars are all about children. Then how about a child-in-law. Or two? : )

Kai said...

John- David staring at Erin again...


I'm am so sad to hear that Kelly miscarried her baby. Prayers to their family!

mlou said...

Well, it seems that I had spoke to soon. It looks as though the Duggars have jumped on the Gap bandwagon as well. Also, John David was wearing the familiar Isaiah scripture shirt that someone else (Kon) had wore before. Although I think the Duggars probably come much closer to following it.

It was nice seeing families helping other families out and not just worrying about themselves. I can't help it but the comparisons between the Duggars and Gosselins are like night and day.

Anonymous said...

Erin Bates is gorgeous! When is John-David planning to court? I did see some older Bates boys for Jana, too. I'm very surprised there haven't been any courtings/ engagements yet since the Duggars and Bates families are so close. There were rumors that Jana or John-David is engaged. Any truth to that?

Admirer said...

John David Dugger and Erin Bates - no question. In church they did a long still shot of JD, then whet to a long shot of Erin....yep! The announcement should come along any time - unless it already has, and I missed it! Erin is really a lovely girl. In fact the whole family is quite good looking. SO sad that Kelly Bates lost the baby she announced she was carrying on that earlier episode.

Anonymous said...

This was an amazing episode! I LOVE that the Duggar family doesn't just spout scripture, but truly lives out their beliefs in every aspect of their lives. They are such a commendable family. To help out their friends in a giving and loving way is true Christian behavior and should be emulated by more people.

I loved the continued focus on the Bates family too, they are so sweet and so musical, the girls have lovely voices.

How sad for Kelly to miscarry! My prayers are with her, but I am so happy that she is pregnant again. The Bates family will not see their baby as just another mouth to feed, but a joyous additional gift from God.

3perfectcats said...

I thought she had lost one prior to the one announced around the time Michelle got pregnant. I recall that being spoken of at that time. Did she lose this one too?

Mandy said...

I really liked this episode. I love any episodes with the Bates in it.

And was it just me or did Michelle look different than she normally does towards the end when they did a closeup of her explaining about Kelly's miscarriage?

Anonymous said...

I love the Duggar and Bates families! I so hope an engagement is announced soon!

Kristina

Anonymous said...

Michelle DID look different at the very end. Her bangs were side swept and her hair wasn't as pouffy as usual. It looked a little darker than usual too but that could have been the lighting. She looked great!

ANNA said...

Erin Bates is very pretty and probably a good match for John David. Maybe she will help JD come out of his shell a bit.
But good God- how do they all survive in that tiny house. I'm sorry but it sure looked hillbilly to me. Reminded me of what you see in the hills of Appalachia! Apparently the Bates' finances don't come anywhere near the Duggars yet the babies keep popping out. Mr. Bates seems a bit 'slow' to me. Are the Bates kids homeschooled also? God help them if they are. I can't imagine any effective schooling being done in that house. But they do seem like good people. I'm sure they are all very loving, but good God, I just have to wonder about the future of all those kids.

JenL said...

I enjoyed this episode. The Bates seem like such a nice family! I like the way everyone helped clean the house to prepare for the Duggars' arrival. The middle-sized Duggar boys could learn a thing or two from that Bates boy who volunteered to mop the floors.

That song about the devil sitting on a tack made me laugh. That would be a good one for Vacation Bible School or a church youth group.

I'm sorry to hear about Kelly's miscarriage. She's a sweet lady.

imaamy said...

Anna, ITA. I thought the Bates were very sweet, but they make the Duggars seem like big city folk. More power to em because I wouldn't survive a day in that house. Just like with the Duggars, I can't imagine how they all (except Josh) stay thin with all that junk they bought at the grocery.

Willow #1 said...

O.K. - Did you notice that when the men were sitting at the table with the blueprints or whatever, John David (not Josh, who is older) was sitting there with Mr. D, Mr. B and Mr. Wilson. The other 2 boys looked like Bates. Another clue to me - IMO. I'm tee heeing. It is just too cute. I sure wish JD would SMILE though. It really would not hurt, I am sure!!

Loved the episode. I admire how they all make a chore into fun for everyone. Can't wait for the next episode. We are remodeling our house right now as well, so it will be fun to see how the Bates' house turns out!!!

Joanna said...

The family dog, Johnny Bates! How cute! There was a cat too and I wonder if the pony belongs to the Bates too. They cleary have more then a couple of animals.

I liked how we got a glimpse into the Bates lives. I remember reading in an article that the chores in they family aren't one or two specific juradicions for a specific person as with the Duggars, but they rotate chores, including boys doing house work and girls doing more "manly" work.

I personally think bluegrass music sounds like more gospel and rejoicing then tradional church music. I love both tradional and conementary praise and worship music, but I would love to hear more country and bluegrass at church more often.(I guess it goes with being a country girl)

I really love the Bates southern accents.

I was wondering what was going on with the Bates pregnancy. It had been well over a year since that visit at the Duggars and I wondering what was taking so long. Well know we know. No matter how many children a family has or the type of family or even if it's a not so good family (one in which not child should be born into or grow up in), I'm always exicted about each and every new baby. I see each new baby as a new light and new hope in this world. I'm espcially glad that Kelly got pregnant again after miscarring the last because I wouldn't want my last pregnancy to end in miscarriage and #1 or #20, it's a new start, a new hope.

When the Wilson family joined them, I was thinking, "I hope they have enough food."

I know the Bates are so grateful for they're new house. I so can't imagine sleeping with low triangle roofs (I'm somewhat Claustrophobia) like that or all those people living in 1000sqf house.

I really liked the Bates girls dresses in this episode.

Oh yes, in the Josh and Anna video at the Bates house, Anna said the girls were painting and stuff.

Jessica said...

Did anyone notice how Michelle did a different hairstyle similar to the way the older girls do their hair??
It looked kinda..weird on her

Admirer said...

One point that hasn't been made very clearly is the pay-it-forward aspect of this. I'm sure the Duggars are VERY grateful that TLC finished the house they had worked on so long. Likewise, they saw a friend in need and helped them out. All those people in 1000 sq. ft!!!! I was appalled - it doesn't seem possible. I'm sure the Bates will be just as grateful and help others out in turn. Remember the ice storm? It would have taken the Duggars forever to clear all that fallen brush and timber.

There were others who worked on this build (I've read it on other blogs) I wonder what kind of 'network' these folks have worked out (besides these two families) to know where there is need and how to help?

Anonymous said...

Regarding the pop-up about the square footage of the Bates' current house being only 1,000 square feet, I think that can't be right.

We live in a two bedroom apartment with 1 and a half baths and it is 1200 square feet.

The Bates have three bedrooms and three bathrooms and a laundry room. I wonder if the third bedroom being in the attic makes it not count as square footage? Anyway, I can't imagine having over 40 people in our apartment! We had ten over once for a party and it felt cramped.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the other posters regading how happy & nice the Bates are. They ALL really cooperate to keep the household running well.

As for JD, he's cool, handy, quiet, seems genuinely sweet (I think he's the one who picked up the tiny, crying Bates who'd fell on the hill) and funny. Remember the bathroom remodel where he picked out a mirrored ball and installed it.

JD's the superior catch for whoever he courts and marries. I sense he's more grounded, emotionally generous, and self-aware than his elder brother. Read: MATURE

As for the design session....Lately, Josh tends to be AWOL when there's big work to be done (unless it's literally in his own backyard).

Remember the dinner party where he sent Anna off with his sisters to make it happen and told Anna, "don't expect any help from me." ? What? Are you too busy selling cars from your desk and nuturing your midsection?

Josh also dissed Anna's organizational skills when he spouted logistical nonesense - tasks and timing - then "joked" that they all "should expect to eat around 8, right?" He's such a toad sometimes.

Anna rules ! Josh drools!

Love the Bates!!! said...

What a great episode! I love the fact that the producers decided to focus on the Bates family preparing for the Duggar's visit instead of making us suffer through the Duggar's packing, loading up the bus, etc., etc., etc. They have beat that horse to death.

The Bates really seem to be a genuine, warm, loving family. And they are all so beautiful!!! It was a little odd, though, that the didn't identify each Bates child, esp. when the camera zoomed in on them. Although I am hoping for an eventual pairing of JD and Erin, I wouldn't be too put out if he ended up with Michaela - I caught a couple of quick shots of her and she is prettier than I thought! And Jana, you had better snatch that Zack up quickly, he is a cutie pie and they would make a gorgeous couple. I must add though, that I think they are all a little young to get married right now.

Anyway, I love any epi that includes the Bates. They aren't quite as slick as the Duggar's so they provide a nice contrast - and it looks like they could really use the money.

I also loved the fact that the Duggars and the Wilsons are doing the addition for the Bates. Unlike another family that we know, this remodel is truly needed by a family that seems to really 'deserve' it. Ok, done snarking now!

beth said...

I think seeing the Bates home is a reminder that for most of the Quiverful followers choosing to have that many children is a financial strain to say the least. When the Duggars are shown as typical, it skews the debate. We weren't shown their lives when they had several small children and both were working to support the family. Although the Duggars have avoided debt, they have also been lucky in their investments. For most parents without college educations, supporting 18 kids above the poverty level is impossible.
I also find it interesting that people aren't as concerned about the Duggar children's money being put away for them when they are older. They are working after all, just like the Gosselins. They have to make public appearances, have camera crews following them, etc. While I doubt that the Duggars will carelessly spend the money, I still think that each child should have a trust so that if they choose to use it for education or anything else, that is entirely their decision when they are adults.
I now understand why the Duggars needed so many pairs of underwear for the ATI conference. If Michelle never knows if she will be somewhere for a week or 2 months, she needs to pack for any contingency.
I am also concerned about the homeschooling. As a child of a very controlling father, school was an escape for me and I learned that what went on at home was not normal and I could choose another path. Part of the reason that we provide an education for all children is so that they are given the ability to make choices about what lifestyle they would like rather than be forced into narrow choices by their parents or religious community.
We know that Jim Bob and Michelle chose this life from a variety of options that were available to them. The children don't have any other options. I think it will be interesting to see what they choose as adults. I find it hard to believe that all those girls will want to continue to spend their lives caring for small children if they have other options. Not that there is anything wrong with that as a career choice, but your career should be exactly that, a choice.

Cait said...

I rarely comment on this site. I have my issues with the Duggar's beliefs, but their show is wholesome. This episode simply blew me away. What a great gift to give to another family! They and the Wilsons truly are showing Christian love by helping those less fortunate. This episode warmed my heart.

Cait said...

I also really love the style of music they play. I really enjoy bluegrass :)

Anonymous said...

I thought that shot of Michelle made her look really good! She looked tanned and skinnier than usual. Without the fluffy hair she looks so much better.

Anonymous said...

There is an article with a video clip of Gil Bates saying that their house was originally 1785 sq ft. In the article, it has written that the house was around 1700 sq ft. I don't know why someone would have put 1000 sq ft in that little bubble as clearly that's not the case. This must have been a seemingly wrong fact such as when they put in the bubble during the ATI conference episode that the Duggars took hundreds of pairs of underwear. I wouldn't take everything they put in those bubbles as truth.

www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx

I too was very upset to hear about the Bates' loss. On a happier note I loved this episode focusing
on the Bates. What a great example of a loving family they are!

MarylandMomOf3 said...

"There is an article with a video clip of Gil Bates saying that their house was originally 1785 sq ft. In the article, it has written that the house was around 1700 sq ft. I don't know why someone would have put 1000 sq ft in that little bubble as clearly that's not the case."

Yeah, but still....my little family of 5 lives in a 1700 square foot house, and it's tight. We've got 4 bedrooms that are all 10 by 10 or 10 by 8, two bathrooms (one doubles as the laundry room), a kitchen, a dining room, a living room, and a 10 by 6 room with a 6-foot ceiling upstairs that serves as the playroom for my 4-year-old and 2-year-old. I'm can't even IMAGINE 15 more people living here. Those Bates are something else!

I also didn't think the Bates dad was slow at all! I even remarked to my husband that I liked him better then JB. Mr. Bates seems much more down-to-earth and less slick.

I did think it was funny that the little Bates girl was standing outside the room when they were singing. We're going to have to free her (along with Jinger and Johanna) some day!

sarahp said...

I googled the Bates' and came up with this-

http://tinyurl.com/luylrh

Very informative. What I saw last night was a bit alarming at times but this article eases some concerns.

Sulmith said...

That's a interesting article, Sarahp. Thanks.

I really want to adopt the Bates boy who enthusiastically volunteered to mop the floors. I thought he was so cute. And little Jordyn is so adorable. The faces she made while the Bates were singing in church were so precious.

I'm not worried about any of these kids, Duggar or Bates. I think they will all be just fine.

Anonymous said...

Willow #1 said...

O.K. - Did you notice that when the men were sitting at the table with the blueprints or whatever, John David (not Josh, who is older) was sitting there with Mr. D, Mr. B and Mr. Wilson. The other 2 boys looked like Bates.

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This could have been the time that Josh and Anna were in NYC finding out the sex of their baby.

IMO, John-David is far more "handy" than Josh is. J-D is the one the family (and Mr Bates, during the storm clean-up episode) refers to as "the natural" when it comes to building, remodeling, maintaining, etc. Remember the show when he and some other older kids "redecorated" Jim Bob and Michelle's bathroom?

Rory said...

The bathroom redo was when Michelle, Jim-Bob, Jessa, Jinger and baby Jordyn went to NYC to be on "The View." Josh most likely wasn't included in the bathroom redecorating because he was already married and living on his own with Anna.

Anonymous said...

This was a great episode! It's so nice to see people who actually live their religious convictions. What an awesome example these parents are for their children. It was very interesting to read the link that someone provided about the Bates family. I wonder what Kelly's degree was from Carson Newman. Apparently she does a super job of educating those kids with the oldest boy getting a high ACT score and starting college. I would love to see some of the Duggar children have the college opportunity. The Bates seem to be a very nice, respectful family. It brought tears to my eyes to see how humble Kelly was about the work the Duggars and Wilsons were willing to do for them.

Wouldn't it be nice if more people in this world were so concerned for their fellow man? I commend the Duggars and the Wilsons for providing the Bates with a much needed home make over. I can't wait to see how it looks in the end.

Willow #1 said...

Anonymous 7:14 pm - Yes, you may be right, J&A could have been away at that moment. I didn't think of that. I was thinking that maybe JD was in on the group because he might have more interest in the project if he was more interested in the Bates family, LOL.

I think all the Duggar kids were in on building their own house with JimBob so they are probably all really good helpers for the Bates project.

BigSky09 said...

This episode just warmed my heart.

And that new hair style Michelle had near the end was amazing for her! She looked so much better/younger!

I love the Bates. I love the Duggars too. Great episode! :)

Anonymous said...

I wonder if TLC is footing any of the bill for the home make-over? Or if they paid the bill at that grocery store where the Bates spent over $900? (Wondering about that one since the cameraman, as usual, went out of the way to show the name of the store.)

I don't care either way; the Bates are great people who could use the extra space. They seemed incredibly appreciative & it was wonderful for the Duggars to think to give them such a gift. I'm just always curious though, as to who is actually doing the real "gift giving". ;)

Mommy in PA said...

Hey does anyone know the names/ages of all the Bates kids? I know a few of the kids names popped up throughout this episode, but nothing about ages/birth order...

Anonymous said...

Contrary to popuplar beleif, Josh and Anna were not away at the moment. In fact, they show Anna at the same picnic where they are looking at the blueprints. Anna shows us her food and says how yummy it is. Plus we all know Josh was probably grubbing.

I wish they would show us more up to date epiisodes because Anna is almost 7 months and we are seeing shows from when she was 16 weeks.

Anonymous said...

I found an article from November 2008 that stated the Bates' kids ages. Just add a year and you'll have the current ages.

Zachary, 19; Michaela, 18; Erin, 17; Lawson, 16; Nathan, 15; Alyssa, 14; Tori, 12; Trace, 11; Carlin, 10; Josie, 9; Katie, 8; Jackson, 6; Warden, 5; Isaiah, 4; Addallee, 2; and 18-month-old Ellie.

msrylee said...

I believe that the Duggars, Bateses and Wilsons are truly Christians....they live their lives honouring God, their spouses and families, and then helping others in need. True Christians don't need to remind others that they are Christians, but rather their lives demonstrate it. While I may not agree with the huge families they have, and some of the ways they raise their children, their lives reflect what they believe.

I am sure that the Bates family will truly appreciate this assistance given them, and in turn will continue to help other families in need.

chocolatebee said...

I really loved this episode.It showed the true spirit of the Duggars and others with their values. The Wilson family is so generous for helping out with the renovation.I loved seeing the Bates family featured.They really are a lovely bunch.Gil and Kelly are blessed to have such beautiful and obediant children.I figured something had gone wrong with Kelly's previously announced pregnanacy since we never heard about her giving birth but its a blessing to know she was able to conceive again. I agree that Michelle loved different when she talked about Kelly's miscarriage. I'm not sure what it was but she looked young and fresh. Seeing the fellowship amongst the families reminded me of my own especially when Jim Bob greeted the Wilson family van.The way he patted the hood and called their name reminds me of how my dear old grandfather used to greet family members when we gathered.We all would gather at a relative's house, no matter how big or small, 50 plus people and have such a good time.I would love to see a Duggar/Bates match too. Although everyone thinks it will be JD and Erin but I've always thought Jana and Nathan Bates(who is very handsome) would make a good match.

chocolatebee said...

I may have gotten Nathan and Zach confused. I meant that Zach and Jana would make a good couple

I like the duggers said...

I loved this episode. This may not be everyones lives, but it is this families life. They live how they believe, and I am so rpoud of them and humbled by how generous they are. Can you imagine what an undertaking it must be to just travel the distance, not to mention the month or 2 they will be away from home. I think they enjoy it, but still that is hard on anyone. They are true christians, and I love to watch them.

On 2 other notes, Amy can quietly go away, and the nike thing I think is strange, but then again, I have never been a teenage boy either. LOL!

Anonymous said...

I would be very surprised if this whole story arc of the Bates house wasn't orchestrated and paid for by TLC. After all, the Duggars house wouldn't have been finished and furnished as quickly or as nicely if TLC hadn't stepped in. It doesn't seem to occur to Jim-Bob that buying new things (besides a house) can be cost effective. This story line works on so many levels, but I bet home schooling goes by the wayside while they're at the Bates.

Anonymous said...

TLC did NOT finish out the house completely. The boys' beds were not new (if you watched the bunk bed episode, Jim Bob said they had had those bunks for about 15 years), they bought the commercial kitchen appliances etc, they lived without air conditioning for the first summer in their new home, until around August, when they bought a couple used window units until they could get the air conditioning finished themselves. They did not landscape their yard until the following year b/c they couldn't afford it. All of this info is in their book.

The Bates' home project was not just the Duggars and Wilsons. If you look online you can read about many other people that helped them out as well. Maybe TLC kicked in some(likely paying them for appearing on the show, which is just fine in my opinion), but so what? big deal.

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

Even if TLC did pay for the renovations on Gil and Kelly's home, we'll still see the Duggar, Bates and Wilson families hard at work on the project. Actually, if they did pay for all or part of it, I applaud them for finally spending money to help a family in need. Even though they really needed more room and better living accomodations for all of them, they seemed genuinely surprised and humbled by the help. I don't always agree or understand the way these families live their lives, but the one thing that shines through is their love of God and each other.

ANNA said...

This story line works on so many levels, but I bet home schooling goes by the wayside while they're at the Bates.


Maybe, but remember even homeschooled kids get a summer break.

Anonymous said...

ANNA said: But good God- how do they all survive in that tiny house. I'm sorry but it sure looked hillbilly to me. Reminded me of what you see in the hills of Appalachia!
Do ou realize how deragatory this post appears to those of us lucky enough to be brought up in the hills of Appalachia? What exactly is a house that appears to be "hillbilly"? From my experience, the size or monetary value of a home cannot compete with love and memories made within its walls.

roddma said...

No cousin Amy in this episode. She is hilarious Yea Gil Bates seems more down to earth but they dont have a show. Still, Lip stick on a pig is still a pig. Nothing against big families but Children should happen because you want them not and not because some religion is telling you to. The children arent around any one (besides cousin Amy) who doesnt have at least 8 kids. Where are their friends with 2 or 3 kids or couples with no kids. There is more than ne lifestyle to live. Some people dont want kids or cant have them. Christianity is reaching out to everyone not just the ones who follow your lifestyle.

Anonymous said...

You're missing the point. The Duggars don't have children b/c of their religion 'telling' them to. The Duggars (and they've stated this in many interviews, including the Huckbee interview the other night) asked the Lord to help them to view children the way HE views them, which is as a blessing and an honor. The Bible always speaks of children as a wonderful blessing from God, a reward to His people. Many people feel that it is wrong to attempt to prevent a blessing from God, wrong to try to tell God not to reward you in the way He chooses.

It's not about having as many children as you can. Many people who do not use any form of birth control have only 1, 2, or 3 children. Many have 5 or 6. Some have 'mega' families like the Duggars or the Jeubs(15 children).

It's about trusting God to know what is best for you, about believing that each and every child is planned by God and a wonderful reward and blessing from God to you and your spouse. Side note: just b/c someone cannot have children does not mean God is not blessing them or rewarding them. It means He is likely doing so in other ways, that He has a different plan for that family. Maybe it includes adoption, maybe not. That person/family would have to seek the Lord's will for his/her family.

Again, it's not about having as many children as you possibly can. it's about seeing them as reward and blessing, about trusting God in the timing and planning of your family, accepting His will in whether you will or will not have a child, or another child, etc.

Please watch this video at this link for a true definition of quiverfull:

http://jeubfamily.com/2009/07/29/quiverfull-photo-journalist-story-on-the-jeubs/

and read their article explaining it:
http://jeubfamily.com/2009/07/22/what-we-mean-by-quiverfull/

Mrs P

Anonymous said...

"This story line works on so many levels, but I bet home schooling goes by the wayside while they're at the Bates."

What better opportunity for schooling than this! The kids get to see real life skills at work. Just the opportunities for math work alone is incredible, and you won't have any kid asking, "but how will I use this in real life?" Other applications: group work, physical education, time management...Yeah, maybe the finer points of science aren't touched on, but what a better learning experience than sitting at a desk getting a lecture! I'd be thrilled to have my kids spend a summer doing this.

Anonymous said...

I missed this episode. Does anyone know if it will be aired again or if it is available as a video on the Internet? I went to TLC but it has only short 2-3 minutes videos, not the whole show.

roddma said...

To annonymous Mrs p or whoever I do not subscribe to man made philosiphies like Quiverfull. When you dont use birth control you set your self up for upteen kids. I like what one methodist minister said "Just because A is a gift from God doesn't mean to take as much of A as you like" Quiverfull and others like them are dangerous to persue because you are tempting fate each time. You also got brains to use. There is no way I would put that many children in cramped quarters. The older Bates and Duggar children will never have their own room. Big families are nice but they take many resources.

Brianna said...

They do have friends with 1-5 kids. In the episode where Jim Bob takes the girls camping it includes two girls from smaller families they invited along who were very obviously close to the family.


Unrelated, I thought Erin was older then that. She defiantly isn't old enough to be married.

imaamy said...

I kept thinking, "wow even if I had professionals helping, I would not have the confidence to add on to a house." I think it is great that the kids know how to build, lay tile, paint, etc. Now 55 people in one bathroom, that alone would send me running! Those poor preggers women. When they really have to go, they likely have to wait.

Anonymous said...

Roddma,
And that's fine, it's your choice. But you must allow others their choices as well as their own personal beliefs. You do not have to agree with their beliefs(or mine), but they(I) are allowed to have them, and live them out in a way they see as pleasing to God.

And having your own room is highly overrated. ;) LOL I don't have my own room, I'm married, and I like it that way. My 6 children ENJOY sharing a room with their siblings, ask me when we can have another baby many times a month, enjoy their brothers and sisters, and think big families are awesome and tons of fun.

Love Mrs P

roddma said...

Yea you are free to chose your own beliefs but my beef is the children dont have a choice. How about giving them choices when they grow up ? Maybe some dont want to get married and so forth but they will never be allowed to express that opinion. There are older Bates and Duggar children 18 plus that obviously not allowed think for themselves. They are likely to be coerced into marriage early to continue with tradition. Like me, I married at 28 maybe I could have a little sooner I didnt meet the right one until 26. I dont regret it one bit. I picked my own mate without help without patental permission. I knew there was more to life besides marrying and babies. I agree with someone on amother forum These children should express how they feel which wont likely happen. Another sibling means more work and resources for everyone. Quality counts for me over quanitiy. I read stories of women who took the courage and left the movement.

roddma said...

And another thing small families are fun too. Where are the reality shows without a gob of kids? It takes resources as mentioned before to raise large families Young minds are impressinable and not made aware of the responisbilities raising one muchless a dozen. Everything looks easy on TV.

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed this show about the Bates family and am happy to see them get this addition on their house. They seemed very grateful. I would rather watch this than Jon and Kate ripping out what looked to be a perfectly good kitchen and replacing new looking and expensive appliances for the sake of a show.

Anonymous said...

I did not mean to imply small families were not fun, I am very sorry if I did. :( I had lots of fun with my children when I had only 1 or 2.

I now have 6, and it is still loads of fun. We have a wonderful life. We intend to have as many children as God will bless us with, whether that is 6 or 20.

God will provide us with the resources to care for our children (no that does not mean we do not 'work'. My dh has a job, but we know that God is our provider.) God will give us the grace and patience needed to raise these children. God is where we put our trust and whom we look to for guidance.

As to the choice thing. What we wish to do is teach our children our beliefs and values. As they get older, we begin teaching them the 'why' of things, as in 'why' we believe certain things, showing them our Biblical reasons for doing so. Even at younger ages, they get simpler explanations, and they are aware that not everyone believes as Mom and Dad do.

Every choice in our lives should be prayed over and we should wait to hear God's will on the subject. So if one of the children wanted to go away for missions or college, etc we would all pray over it and God would tell us whether or not it was the right thing to do.

Again, if I've insulted you with my statement about large families being fun, I apologize. I only meant that while yes, it is work to have many children, it can be a 'fun' work, we have fun together no matter what we do, whether work or play. I simply wanted to correct the impression some get that no one could be happy with 'so many' children b/c it's ' so hard', 'so expensive' etc.

It really doesn't cost that much. Children do not *need* all the toys, gadgets, etc people seem to believe they need nowadays. They don't need their own room, brand new clothes, or all kind of activities here and there all over town. They don't have to have a vacation every year (although we love to take them--in fact we met the Duggars on our last vacation to Silver Dollar City!), or to eat out all the time etc.

Children survived, happily, for hundreds of years while living in one room cabins with their parents and many siblings. My own grandparents lived with thier 6 children, my grandfather's mother and father, and his 3 siblings that remained at home(he had 9 siblings total). The house was a small 3 bedroom house, and in the winter, everyone slept in the living room to keep warm by the stove. (This was in the 30s and 40s) My mother, aunts and uncles all speak fondly of their growing up years, loving the fact that so many people lived in their home, there was always someone available to play with, talk to, be read to, etc. My father lived for the first 8 yrs of his life in a small 3 room apartment over a business his parents owned with 6 siblings and his parents. They all speak happily of their growing up years as well. After the 8 yrs, his father built them a home, with 3 bedrooms and two bathrooms. They thought it was a mansion! LOL

Until a month ago, my family lived in a small 1200 sq ft home with 3 bedrooms. We then purchased a 3000 sq ft home with 4 bedrooms. We moved in a month ago. My children *chose* to share rooms still. Our 4th bedroom sits empty downstairs b/c the children love to be together. It will be our guest room.

Love Mrs P

Love Samantha

Joanna said...

AMEN SAMANTHA!!!!

Anonymous said...

I wonder why God doesn't always provide the resources to care for so many children in this world. Praying doesn't seem to be enough, or we would have done away with poverty and hunger eons ago.

clanof9 said...

You're right. Praying isn't enough sometimes. We are expected to pray and then get up off our knees and get to work. There are enough resources in the world to help the starving children, but there hasn't yet been enough people working together to see that they all get cared for.

anny said...

I too didn't appreciate the "hillbilly" comment! As a happy camper who KNOWS the Bates family personally, both Gil and Kelly had degrees from Carson Newman College; Kelly's is in Sociology, not sure about Gil's. They have ALWAYS been organized, faithful Christian people. Maybe letting God plan your family doesn't work for all of us, but it CERTAINLY works for them! They just prove the "with Christ, all things are possible"! Sadly, poverty is earned due to drugs, alcohol, lifestyles, etc. and the children are the true victims. Prayer WILL help us all, it's just not always what we "want", but what we "need" that is the answer. Faith brings peace, we just need to accept the Lord's will for our lives and leave the rest to Him. These two families are doing just that and now we are seeing the blessings of patience and faith in Him. The Bates, I can say from knowing them, are what you see and have NOT changed in the 20+ years I have known them. The kids are educated quite well, are amazingly well behaved and are becoming wonderful members of our society. What percentage of American parents can say their kids are doing all that? It is quite amazing and I for one am jealous that we didn't listen to them long ago when they were trying to get us to look into things they were doing with their small children. Now, we have seen what happens to those who let the world into their homes, let the kids "do their own thing" etc. WE don't have loving, caring and respectful kids like they do, and those with ears should listen and learn from these two families because it IS the way to raise your kids, whether you have 1 or 19! Trust me, I have SEEN it first hand!

fms said...

While I'm more then delighted to learn and see Christians doing exactly what Jesus Christ had called us to do for one-an-other. I'm also very up set, because yes, the Bates needed their home done. While the Duggars certainly do diserve the financial funds they gain every time a camra turns-on or TLC runs an older episode the Dubbars get paid and paid rather well I might add. As I said, they are certainly intitled to it all. It is also upseting to me that a disabled riding program that is non-profit and saves young children's sanity and improves their lives and life styles. There are also disabled individuals in need of funding in order to be made safe by either eye wear or Cochlear Implants to hear with as they are stone deaf. I know the only thing standing in the way is the almighty $, but yet, TLC has never ever answered the Riding Program or HE to offer funding. Yes, I agree that the Bates and Duggars are two families that America can stand proud to have. However, lets get real and get TLC to please do look at the Disabled Cammunity for a really nice change of pace. Please all of you write, call, send E-MAIL'S and other forms of cammunication to TLC telling TLC that the Disabled Cammunity needs them very much. Am I disabled? No, but my friend is. She owns this computer and is just allowing me to use it. She loves horses and guess what? Never met or seen either an animal or child that didn't love her completely. She is stone deaf and very low vision. Their riding program that does so much for the Disabled Cammunity really is on the brink of disaster as there is only one thing to save them. That is, about ten thousand. Then the successful lives of the children will continue and grow. So I say, "Yes, Duggars. Keep up the wonderful work. Never, ever change. The Bates Family can reach out and offer comfort to so many who really do need their tenderness. However, please also enclude the Riding program that saves lives daily. You may contact my friend at fmsandkody@aol.com to offer assistence. Even if it is just a one time assistence, because people are funny. If you can say, "Hay, I spoke to a Duggar or an Bates!" Then people want to be with you and are far more apt to offer assistence to you. Please do remember this is Christianity at it's highest level. Lets all do this one for our Heavenly Jesus Christ. Love to you all. Does anyone know, or has anyone seen the finished product of the Bates Family Home that Jim Bob built? I never saw the finished product. To you all, I finally tell you this. While I am grateful this is a FREE COUNTRY and one may write what ever he/she desires to write. How can anyone even start to put the Bates and Duggars Families in the same writings as Jon and Kate + 8? I mean, the Bates and Duggars did and do as they do just because they care. Kate is in my openion vishes and mean. Yet, she wonders why Jon went out on her? Although, when ever Jim Bob is mad at his Wife. He doesn't go out on her at all. So I'm really upset that anyone could even bother to mention Jon and Kate + 8 So why did I do so? To thank the Bates and Duggars Families for their wonderful Christian approach towards all of man kind. Again, many thanks to you all for just reading this. Yes, I do hope you all enjoyed it to.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are NO BETTER than the Gosselins. Both have put themselves on national TV for us all to gawk at, and both are making money from it. Both have limited their children's lives, and have compromised their values for American consumption.

Anonymous said...

I completely disagree with the comment about the Duggars being no better than the Gosselins. The Duggars are an example of two people in a loving and healthy marriage raising well-behaved and spiritually guided children.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the previous poster who said the Duggars are no better then the Gosselins. Both set of parents are parading their "unique" family size for money. Yes, they have a different set of values and moral convictions but they are both on TLC with a contract and getting benefits from it.

Anonymous said...

Once you sell your soul to American consumerism, put your life on display, and give up your family's pride and privacy, it's all the same, whether or not you have a good marriage or not.

Decent families do not parade their every move on national television.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"
Decent families do not parade their every move on national television. "

Note this is an opinion as their is no proof that being on TV does not make you NOT a decent family.