Sun, Jan 31 2010, Special Duggar Delivery

Complications arise when Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's 19th child, Josie, arrives prematurely.

UPDATE: 19 Kids and Counting Premieres Jan 31.
Less than a year after welcoming Jordyn-Grace into the world, Michelle Duggar gave birth, months prematurely, to her and husband Jim Bob's 19th child and ninth daughter, Josie Brooklyn, in December 2009. And there's more room at the inn -- the Arkansas family's 7,000-square-foot home -- as the couple say they'll continue having children as long as Michelle is able. The Duggar brood also includes MacKynzie Renee, eldest son Josh's daughter, also born in 2009, with wife Anna. (From MSN)

The Duggar family is no stranger to welcoming a new baby to the family. But when complications arise, Jim Bob and Michelle meet baby nineteen, Josie, earlier than expected. Watch as the family welcomes Josie with a Duggar-sized amount of hope and love. (From TLC)

Will update with other sites as they become available.

Please do not report a date change. Going to the schedule from the Duggar page does not show the episode on Jan 31. However, the master TLC schedule has it on Jan 31.

166 comments:

Ohio Buckeye said...

When was Josie born? Something around December 11? Wonder when they had the time and energy to do a Christmas special?

Sharla said...

I think she was born Dec 10 or 11. We heard that the whole family moved to Little Rock to be there for Josie and to have Christmas together. Perhaps if they are staying with the family of all the Christmas lights they will be included if they still have a large display. I read somewhere that their original display went to Disney.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Tell me more about the Christmas lights - I know nothing of this. The Duggars had a big display that went to Disney or the family hosting the Duggars have/had the Christmas lights?

Sharla said...

The family allegedly hosting them used to have a beyond huge Christmas display that resulted in a law suit and the display being removed.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Good grief! More drama! And over Christmas lights yet. Wow.

Farmgrl said...

They most likely filmed most of the Christmas stuff before December...Look for TLC to try to hide Michelle's stomach so it looks like the festivities happened after Josie was born. Just sayin' this is the reality of reality TV.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@FarmGrl: You are so right! Despite TLC's protestations to the contrary, "Reality" tv is anything BUT!

BioEngr said...

Can you tell us when the show will be on? And it's on MSN?
Thanks!

Sharla said...

It will be on TLC. No time posted yet on the website.

pumpkin said...

Wikipedia says Jan 31st. Now, I know they're not the most authoratative source, but it's what I could find.

Morgan said...

Why is it airing on a Sunday? Is it just a random special thats not really part of the series or have they changed the time to accomodate that new "One Big Happy Family" show?

kidznpupz said...

I have to ask - are the Duggars embarassed/ ashamed of little Josie? How come she is never mentioned? I hope they will talk about her on the special. There are many people who care about her. The Duggars made the decision to make their life public - it's not right to just about "cover up" this little girl because things are less than perfect.
You almost get the imnpression that they are ashamed they had a premie daughter.
They don't acknowledge her on their website or give any updates. I feel sorry for little Josie. It's like they only care about the perfect children, the healthy ones and having a delicate, fragile child makes her imperfect. I really am losing respect for the Duggars. Why won't they acknowledge this child?

Qmomma said...

The Christmas lights belonged to the Osborne family of Little Rock, AK. The neighbors sued the family over the disturbance. The Osbornes lost, and eventually Disney asked the family to bring the display to Walt Disney World in Orlando, FL. The lights are at Disney's Hollywood Studios park and it is beyond amazing. We spent Christmas at Disney and the Osborne family Christmas lights were one of the best parts of our trip. I did not know though, that they were friends of the Duggars until now.

Cheetah said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
When was Josie born? Something around December 11?

She was born on December 10.

I don't see how TLC can do an episode about the Duggar Christmas celebrations without including the drama surrounding baby Josie. It would be like ignoring the elephant in the room. I think that this special will include Josie's situation and how the Duggars are dealing with it. I bet that TLC is waiting to put out a more detailed description of this episode until closer to its air date so that they can make the tone of the description match how Josie is doing at that time.

CappuccinoLife said...

" It's like they only care about the perfect children, the healthy ones and having a delicate, fragile child makes her imperfect. I really am losing respect for the Duggars. Why won't they acknowledge this child?"

They have. Multiple times. They've said they are thankful for her life. That they aren't giving us a blow-by-blow account of her ups and downs in the premie ward has *nothing* to do with how much they love her or value her. Exact words from one of the news reports early on: ****“We feel so blessed that God has given us to her and are cherishing every moment with her."****


Why would you assume they reject her or are ashamed of her? For heaven's sake, they relocated their entire family to be near the hospital where she is.

I don't like the way the show has gone, and I think they will look back and regret it. But I think they are doing exactly the right thing right now, and I hope they don't care about people whining how they aren't giving up more information about their situation. I hope they stay quiet and focus on Josie and their family until and if *they* are ready to say anything. I hope and pray that they will see this situation as a motivation to pull together and pull away from the public eye more permanently too.

Morgan said...

Kidznpups said...

I have to ask - are the Duggars embarassed/ ashamed of little Josie? How come she is never mentioned?

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I don't think they are ashamed of her at all, I think they are worried about her and they are devoting every moment they have to caring for her instead of taking that time for other--IMO much less important things--like updating their website or doing a lot of press related stuff. They have given updates and mentioned in those how much time they are spending with her.

In this article Jim Bob says quote un quote "Josie is beautiful"

http://www.examiner.com/x-25310-Little-Rock-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2009m12d18-Duggars-19th-child-in-stable-condition

I think its obvious the Duggars love all the children in their family and would never IMO want to "cover up" a child who is a part of their family. I am sure we will hear more about her in the special. This is all speculation and my opinion, I think the coming episodes will tell the most about the Duggar family and how they respond to the situation.

Cheetah said...

Sarah said...
I'm kinda hoping for an update on little Josie, though I respect so much how they have not turned her birth into a media frenzy.

kidznpupz said...
I have to ask - are the Duggars embarassed/ ashamed of little Josie? How come she is never mentioned?

It's interesting to see the different takes on the Duggars' silence regarding Josie. I think TLC has asked them to keep information about Josie a secret in order to get more viewers when they do a show about her.

As far as the website is concerned, Josh developed that, and he does not update it very often, although it does seem odd that he has not updated it to even mention Josie's birth.

Beedageeda said...

It's probably just an episode about them doing Christmas festivities before December all together. Didn't they do something Christmas-y at Pigeon Forge? Maybe something like that. This was supposed to be the season finale, wasn't it? But then, little Josie was born and they decided to end it with the Helicopter nonsense. But, during that make-shift season finale, there was a red box at the bottom right hand corner that said the Duggars would return with new episodes in February. I wonder if that's still the plan.

Anonymous said...

Little Josie is about a month old now and I hope she is doing well. I'm glad to see the Duggars focus on being as close to her as possible as a family and keeping her care as their main focus. There is no need, in my opinion for any public updating on her condition, since that's a family matter. Just because they have a TV show doesn't mean they need to share up-to-the-minute medical bulletins for those who watch their show. It seems to me that they have their priorities right in this situation.

How TLC will deal with anything regarding Josie on this special is something we'll just have to wait to see. But I'm sure that's the farthest thing from the family's concerns at this moment.

Citygirl said...

I think we should all respect their privacy at this time.

When they are ready they will share news about the new baby.

Im sure this Xmas special was probably filmed weeks before Xmas.
It takes time for editing, voice overs, graphics etc

Citygirl said...

But, during that make-shift season finale, there was a red box at the bottom right hand corner that said the Duggars would return with new episodes in February. I wonder if that's still the plan."

New episodes could have been filmed last year. It does not mean we get to see what happened in December or January ie in "real" time.

Anonymous said...

Just because they have a TV show doesn't mean they need to share up-to-the-minute medical bulletins for those who watch their show. It seems to me that they have their priorities right in this situation.

I don't see anyone here asking for minute by minute updates. Do you? But, an update on the baby would be the kind thing to do. I have had several tragedies in my life and each time updated and thanked everyone for their continued prayers. Why was Amy told to not mention her. She is family. Someone else said that we'll find out on the tv show how she is. Again, good for ratings. Using a sick baby for more viewership is in my opinion --- there are no words.

Ohio Buckeye said...

QMomma said, "The Christmas lights belonged to the Osborne family of Little Rock, AK. The neighbors sued the family over the disturbance. The Osbornes lost, and eventually Disney asked the family to bring the display to Walt Disney World in Orlando, FL. The lights are at Disney's Hollywood Studios park and it is beyond amazing. We spent Christmas at Disney and the Osborne family Christmas lights were one of the best parts of our trip. I did not know though, that they were friends of the Duggars until now.'

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A few years ago a local family had an incredible Christmas lights/music display, too. It was even eventually featured on a nationally-played commercial.

The neighbors, however, were less than thrilled because it was a nuisance on their street, especially all the extra traffic driving by to enjoy the display.

This family was responsive to their neighbors and immediately took down the display and, instead, set it up in a local park for all to enjoy. No lawsuit necessary.

Anon 3:14 said...

@CappucinoLife: "For heaven's sake, they relocated their entire family to be near the hospital where she is."

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They would also have to relocate all the children to be near Michelle for continuity of education, right?

Many supporters of the Duggars here have laboriously pointed out that Michelle is the one true and only "teacher" of the homeschooled children, not their older buddies who are just the "helpers".

I personally don't believe Michelle is the teacher, but to each his own.

Anonymous said...

But I think they are doing exactly the right thing right now, and I hope they don't care about people whining how they aren't giving up more information about their situation.

So that's it. If we care and would like a quick update on the baby, we're whining. WOW!

Also, I have a great way for them to have their privacy. Get off TV.
Problem solved. It's that easy.

Jane in California said...

If I had to guess, which is all I'm doing, it would be to say that the Duggars are not ashamed one bit of Josie, only concerned with her well being. I can understand completely why they have not posted any updates, etc. -- because this is a very delicate time. I am sure they are hoping to be able to post something soon along the lines of "she's gaining weight and strength and doing fine!"

As to the Christmas extravaganza, leave it to TLC to handle this with poor taste.

gettingbored said...

The Duggars were the special guests at Pigeon Forge xmas lighting ceremony in early November. That's when they also filmed their revisit with the Bates.

Cait said...

1/12/2010 7:49 AM
kidznpupz said...
I have to ask - are the Duggars embarassed/ ashamed of little Josie? How come she is never mentioned?

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If I had to hazard a guess, I would say it is because Josie is in a very fragile state right now. As the mother of a preemie, I can tell you with certainty that the NICU is a very scary place. Mr. & Mrs. Duggar are probably focusing as much of their attention as possible on the little one, and letting the press releases fall by the wayside for the time being. As a micro-preemie, Josie has very, very special needs & her medical situation is precarious. I don't think they are ashamed; I think they are simply not telling the public everything yet.

Bellasmomma said...

The status of a mico-preemie (or any baby in the NICU) can change minute by minute. I know this from personal expereince. They have not made any efforts to "hide" Josie and are just choosing to keep it private. The people on this board complaining about not getting enough info on Joise are the same people who bash the Duggars for selling their kids privacy. The health and status of this dear little baby is critical and most certainly a private family matter. If they were to even give one update I'm sure they would hear no end to the countless request for more. I think they are being wise in keeping it to themselves and focusing on what is more important-their family! For all those who are truly "concerned" just keep the Duggars and especially Josie in your prayers and pray that she is strong enough to overcome the many hurdles she has yet to face and worry less about what they are choosing to share! I find it ridiculous to in any way assume they are ashamed of this baby and see no proof to support such accusations!

CappuccinoLife said...

"The people on this board complaining about not getting enough info on Joise are the same people who bash the Duggars for selling their kids privacy."

Yep. That is what gets my goat, right there.

We've gone from "Evil, bad Duggars selling out their children, get out of the public eye, focus on the important stuff, like your kids" to "Evil, bad Duggars, not giving us enough updates on your micropreemie baby, start talking! What are you hiding! You owe us some media statements!!!!"

Ridiculous. The Duggars are doing exactly what we'd be saying they should do if they weren't doing it. :p Pulling back, focusing on the baby and the family, and withdrawing as much as possible from the media.

Anonymous said...

CapuccinoLife - I understand and agree with your sentiment that regardless of what the Duggars do, some people will always be unhappy. You are correct that most on this blog have talked for quite a while about the Duggars getting their family out of the spotlight. However, I think the main reason why some of us are concerned now is that it seems like the reason the Duggars haven't given out any updates is because they are even more sold out to TLC than we realize. Amy's statement that she is "not allowed" to give any updates is one of many reasons why it sounds like TLC wants to save the updates to boost ratings. I don't know about anyone else, but this is why I'm worried/upset about the lack of updates. This may or may not be the real reason for the holdout, but if it is, that's absolutely disgusting, in my opinion. Of course the Duggars don't OWE any of us any updates, and I completely respect their desires for privacy, if that's the case. What I can't respect, however, is if they are holding out to boost their ratings. Many viewers genuinely care for the family, and it's disgusting of the Duggars to expect viewers to connect so intimately with them and then to refuse to let those who are concerned know how they are doing simply to boost ratings. If this is the case, they apparently don't care at all whether or not they are "encouraging" any of us or have touched any of us. I really hope this isn't the case, but if it is, I will be very disappointed in the family.
-Christina

Anonymous said...

re: If this is the case, they apparently don't care at all whether or not they are "encouraging" any of us or have touched any of us. I really hope this isn't the case, but if it is, I will be very disappointed in the family.

Me,too.By all appearances,(and I hope I am wrong)it appears they may be worshipping the Golden Calf instead.JMO.

Deanna said...

To give the Duggars the benefit of the doubt---

When they signed their life away---er, the contract---with TLC, everything was going well. Jim Bob seems naive to me in some ways, and probably never expected that the network could own them, determine what could and could not be shown about their lives.

Now that they are under contract, they are seeing what it REALLY means to be a "reality TV star", and that means your viewing public really gets antsy about your whereabouts, and you lose your privacy completely.

I think we ARE owed an update, simply because the Duggars have put themselves in the public eye. I also think poor Josie isn't given the acknowledgement she deserves, by not mentioning anything at all about her.

Anyway, as others have said, my hope for the new year for the Duggars is that their little girl comes home safely, and that they get the heck off TV!

Somebody's Nana said...

Anonymous said Amy's statement that she is "not allowed" to give any updates is one of many reasons why it sounds like TLC wants to save the updates to boost ratings.

There could be any number of reasons why Amy has been told not to give out updates, and most of them have nothing to do with TLC.

Possible reasons (and I have no way of knowing!) include:

1. The Duggars don't want anyone but themselves (parents) giving out information
2. The Duggars realize that Josie is fragile and have simply decided that no updates at all will be given for the time being
3. The Duggars love Amy, but know that Amy's view of life does not match theirs, and don't want her to be their spokesperson
4. The Duggars realize that the publicity of being on TV has taken over their lives and are backing away
5. The Duggars have decided to separate from TLC- they have no control over what has been taped so far, but they do have control over this area of their life

I'd rather presume the best of people in terms of their actions and motives -

Thinking About It said...

"Amy's statement that she is "not allowed" to give any updates is one of many reasons why it sounds like TLC wants to save the updates to boost ratings."

When I read Amy's statement, I took it to mean the Duggars THEMSELVES didn't want her making any more statements... isn't that possible? If they are starting to get paparazzi attention, it would make sense not to put little details out there that would stir the pot. Each time Amy posted a little tidbit, it's likely Jim Bob would spend a day fielding calls about it, shooing photographers out of the hospital, etc. They don't have time for that right now.

And, speaking of time... they have a critically ill newborn in the hospital. They've moved two hours away from home and their businesses. They have 18 other children to school, nurture, and care for. If Michelle had what I had with my last child (pre-eclampsia plus complications), she is likely still not up to par (it was six months before I could resume all normal activity).

Prioritizing their gigantic list of responsibilities puts us, the show's viewers, pretty near to dead last right now... AS IT SHOULD BE.

We didn't want the show taking over their lives, remember? It's US who can't have it both ways.

Cyn said...

We didn't want the show taking over their lives, remember? It's US who can't have it both ways.
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BUT.... I want my cake AND eat it too :P

(lol sorry couldn't resist)

susan said...

Thanks for all of the responses. I might be a little misunderstood here. I don't expect or deserve "minute by minute" updates. Her medical condition is private. It's just that since the Duggars have placed themselves and I emphasize placed themselves and their family in the public spot light they need to realize that all the people who follow their family weekly care about how their little one is doing.
I stand by original statement that it is odd that the Duggars have siad extremely little about precious Josie.

Anonymous said...

I don't think the Duggar's are covering up Josie's birth.

Although many things about this family irritates me, I have great respect for not pushing Josie's birth in the media. Why? Because Josie's medical information should be private. How would you like it if you were hospitalized for a few months, and details of your medical history and hospitalization were broadcast to the entire universe without your permission. Josie is not able to give permission for her medical information to be broadcast whatever else the family has agreed to be made public.

I sincerely doubt they are ashamed of her at any rate. I'm sure they see her pre-term birth as God's plan. (Although guilt (even though usually completely irrational and undeserved) is a very common emotion when one has a very pre-term child.)

I've had a critically ill child in the NICU. I was stunned and shocked to the point of feeling almost detached, which is nothing like my normal parenting style. If there was ever a time in my life where the absolute last thing I would want would be the media documenting my reactions and the general public commenting on whether or not my behavior was appropriate that would be it.

I really think we should just leave them alone. I highly doubt that any parent who has every had a micro preemie in the NICU has any judgment about the Duggar's decision not to satisfy us with updates, what ever else they may think of the Duggars in general. And no one else can even begin to comprehend. It takes every single bit of energy just to cope with the situation. There is none left over for a film camera.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with the argument that we shouldn't be so nosy. They get paid to sell their family's privacy. They willingly decided to allow that. Now the viewers are being painted as nosy busybodies that should just leave those poor people alone. What would be the harm in making a statement? Giving updates is not going to make their lack of privacy any worse. They gave up their privacy LONG ago. That's the name of the game.

Anonymous said...

Josie is not able to give permission for her medical information to be broadcast whatever else the family has agreed to be made public.
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Okay, what am I missing here. Has Jennifer and Jordan or any of the little ones given their permission to have their private lives filmed? Why is it okay to show aspects of these children's private day to day lives? But not give a quick update on the baby's condition because she can't give her permission? (Shakes head.)

Anonymous said...

Re: There is none left over for a film camera.

Well,as we understand it,there are going to be new shows and another season,correct? Then I would venture to say,the story of Josie is undoubtedly going to be featured.

Midnight Serenade said...

"This is an unpleasant but realistic thought......perhaps little Josie has already passed away and the Duggars/TLC are waiting for the next episode to make the announcement."

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And you don't think that someone in the media or medical profession would have leaked this by now? Nothing like that could be kept a secret.

Sharla said...

Please see the update post on Josie. Also please put the Josie comments in that thread. This thread is for the upcoming episode. Thanks!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Yes, the orginal display of the lights did go to Disney Land.

Anonymous said...

It goes both ways, people. There are people who will always believe that everything the Duggars do is wrong. HOWEVER, there are people who defend everything they do, no matter what. It seems like everybody wants their cake.

As far as Josie, I too have had a baby in the NICU. It can be overwhelming, it can change from day to day, and it can be exhausting. It is my take, however, that since almost every part of their private lives have been proudly broadcast (remember the ovulation calendar?), they should have the decency to update once in awhile. It will not harm "Josie's fragile state" to simply release a statement once a week - such as how much she weighs, whether or not she is eating, or even if there has been no change.

Anonymous said...

re Information on Josie:

I can't reconcile that Michelle had time to protest the liquor license but doesn't have time to post an update or call People magazine or TLC or...

Jessica said...

just saw the preview for the special..it looks really emotional

Anonymous said...

Sickening.

The Duggars have lost their moral compass. What a pity.

Anonymous said...

It seems to me the only Duggar with any real honesty or integrity, at least of the ones who are allowed to speak out, is Amy. She tried to update fans on the babies well being on her facebook and was told to stop. Amazing. How does anyone justify that? Not one word from anyone else, but lo and behold a "special Josie show" is coming soon. Can anyone say RATINGS. (shakes head) But we who cared and really wanted to know how the baby was doing were considered selfish and whiney.

Enough with the Multiples said...

"the couple say they'll continue having children as long as Michelle is able."

Are the Duggars really so dense that they don't realize that continuing to have more children is both reckless and selfish. At this point I really think they are trying to set some kind of record or they have lost complete touch with reality. Birth control is not a religious issue in this circumstance--it's a medical one. Michelle is putting her life and the life of any future babies she may carry in danger if she gets pregnant again.

If I could say one thing to her right now it would be: Wake up Michelle--enjoy the children and grandchildren you have. It's time to accept that the childbearing years are over and appreciate another season of life.

KitnKaboodleSays said...

Why is anyone surprised that TLC would milk this unfortunate event? Look what they did w/the Gosselins! Please.
Nothing TLC does or COULD do, would EVER surprise me. What DOES surprise me is that responsible , self-respecting parents would go along with it. Yeah, yeah "they are under contract/they HAVE to" etc. Well there are ways to rectify that. They seem not to want to. Probably because the money is too good.
I wonder the length of the TLC contracts. IE: a year by year thing? You can opt out of renewing? If so, the Duggars should have opted out at the last renewal! But they didn't . Too much money.
Always look for the money trail; 98% of the time (or more often) that is where the answers lie. And YES I believe JimBoob and his SmugSon run on money and money alone. (I dont' mention Jichelle bc he is the leader of the family, as both of them have made abundantly clear)
I fully "blame" TLC. Yet, I find the Duggar's decisions as parents to be unwise (on many levels)

KitKitsonKittakkenTu said...

I do NOT watch the "Show", but, are they in some sort of competition with the friends of theirs that also have an UBER-LARGE family? The Gil's...? (not sure of name) Because I read quite a few things about some sort of Pg test the other mother took WHILE visiting the DUGGARS, just to show them she was Pg again...? IS this accurate?
If so, yah they are competing for number of kids. And it's sickening. And childish.
And if it is true, look for Jichelle to DEFINITELY get Pg again,; after all, the other mother is right now....can't have them overtaking ....
Immature and sickening. Grow up, Duggarlings.

Anonymous said...

Ma Duggar seems intent on having children until either she or the babies did. I simply don't understand how she could not look at the 19 blessings she already has, particularly the ten under ten, who really, really still need their mother in every way.

God forbid something happens to her in the next pregnancy, or those older girls really will never get to leave the house, ever.

pumpkin said...

I am very eager to watch this show, in part to see if what we have all been speculating about on this board is true. I really want to see just how intrusive the cameras are... I am reminded (as others have been) of Grandpa's funeral and the fact that there was a cameraman right next to the casket so that he could capture the grief on the faces of the mourners. I'm sorry, but if there had been a film crew at my grandfather's funeral that was as intrusive as that, I may have rethought my attendance.

Grief for a dead loved one is a private matter. I was appalled that they turned that into an episode, no matter how sweet and touching it was.

I will tune in to see the special on Josie because #1, I like the Duggars, I really do, and #2, I am just plain curious as to how they will handle this.

I am a bit surprised that they have renamed the show to 19 Kids and Counting, considering little Josie is not out of the woods yet. It would be a tragedy if she didn't make it, compounded by having to change the name of the show back to 18 Kids.

I wish that Michelle would realize that it's not a competition (and even if it were, she would have a long way to go to beat the Guinness Book of World Record holder, a Russian woman who had 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets, and four sets of quadruplets. 67 of them survived infancy.) I know Michelle loves having babies around, but lots of people love babies and realize that they can't just keep having them indefinitely.

The Duggars are a good family and despite the fact that I don't share many of their beliefs, I believe that they are raising their kids to the best of their abilities. I wish they would focus on the beautiful children they have now.

nccalgal said...

Once a child is born he/she counts regardless of its survival, so 19 & Counting is and will be appropriate in spite of Josie's outcome. My MIL had a child who died at 2. If someone asked how many children she had, she always said four living and one in heaven.

Ollie said...

I am a bit surprised that they have renamed the show to 19 Kids and Counting, considering little Josie is not out of the woods yet. It would be a tragedy if she didn't make it, compounded by having to change the name of the show back to 18 Kids.
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Why would you be surprised by this? They now have 19 children, and even if Josie doesn't stay with the family for very long they will still have had 19 children, Christians believe, at least every denomination of Christian I have ever met, that the familial bond is not broken by death because we will all meet again in the next life if we are good in this one. Even if Josie doesn't survive long in this life it would go against Christian beliefs to ignore her existence and change the shows title back to 18 and counting.

Anonymous said...

I do not agree with most of the choices made in their family, but I do pray they all remain well and healthy. Especially Michelle I know she would never THINK that she could think other than what Jim Bob wants. He knows she will not do other than he wishes. To me that just adds to his insencetivity and arrogance. How can he treat her worse than any animal. I have more respect for my dog. Too bad there is no SPCA for women. WHY do the girls names not start with M ?

Deanna said...

I'm actually glad they renamed the show to acknowledge Josie. However, it's time to get rid of the "...and counting". If Michelle is so insane as to risk her life with another pregnancy, she will deserve whatever bad outcome she gets. That sounds awful, but sanity has to reign at some point...doesn't it?

Judy said...

Totally unsurprising. They've been keeping the whole thing under wraps so they can have a big unveiling of the episode.

kidznpupz said...

Well, it's finally happened. The Duggars have completely sold out. Many have posted that the reason the Duggars never gave any updates on Josie's condition was because they were too busy and over whelmed with their situation to give their supporters any information on how Josie was doing.And how dare you ask by the way. The reality is that they were making a special about her birth and if people are hungry for information then more people would watch, thus boosting their ratings.
I wish Josie all the best, but I am disgusted by how this family has totally abandoned their values all to raise ratings.

Judy said...

The Duggars sold out when they signed their contract -- and they've been on so long that they've probably re-signed, a couple of times, by now -- not because of Josie's birth episode. That's all just part of it. It's selling out the minute you let your kids be filmed. They don't see it that way, though. I think the tv reality families have a hard time understanding that what they're doing to their families is really just awful.

Ollie said...

Alright, I could understand if the Duggars weren't speaking to the public about Josie because they were trying to move their family away from the lime light and get back their privacy. I guess all the posters who stated that they were too busy or wanted to protect the families privacy were wrong, they only wanted to protect the family income. I'll bet moving the family to Little Rock was also done mostly for the show, after all who wants to watch just Jim Bob and MIchelle when most people can't seem to stand Jim Bob?
It's sad because the Duggars seem to have been a really nice Christian family at one time, but after they sold out to TLC they just became more and more money oriented. I'll admit that as a frugal living person it would be hard for me to say no if a company showed up and offered to decorate my house, give me free "gifts", and send me and my family on trips across the country. The Duggars probably thought at the beginning that they could take all the benefits, give TLC a limited amount of filming time, and maybe spread their message a bit in the bargain. That's just not how dealing with big corporations works in this country, however, and either TLC is forcing this on the Duggars or they are doing it themselves to try and cash in more. So by the that estimation Jim Bob is either stupid or greedy, and in my opinion probably a bit of both (although I guess ignorant and arrogant would probably be better words than stupid).

NurseNancy said...

I am boycotting anything to do with the Duggar's. Someone needs to take a stand and quit allowing TCL to make money off of tragic events in people lives.

Cait said...

Pumpkin said: I am a bit surprised that they have renamed the show to 19 Kids and Counting, considering little Josie is not out of the woods yet. It would be a tragedy if she didn't make it, compounded by having to change the name of the show back to 18 Kids.

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I think I can answer that. Just because parents lose a child, it doesn't mean they forget that child. My MIL lost one of her 6 children to SIDS. However, she still considers herself a mother of 6, even though one of those children died at less than 6 months of age.

Just because a person passes on, it doesn't mean that person never existed. Even if, God forbid, the Duggar's smallest child passes on, there will still be 19 Duggar children.

Anonymous said...

Re: I am boycotting anything to do with the Duggar's. Someone needs to take a stand and quit allowing TLC to make money off of tragic events in people lives.


Me too.Enough is enough already.

doggie said...

people keep thinking Michelle has a choice about having babies. it is not up to her but to God and Jim jesus oops I mean jim bob. same thing really since it's first got then jim bob.

kels said...

"I am boycotting anything to do with the Duggar's. Someone needs to take a stand and quit allowing TLC to make money off of tragic events in people lives."

I think that's a great idea. But you know what? I don't even think it will be necessary. Just as the Gosselins, I am sure that the Duggars will destroy their own show.. all by themselves.. without the lack of support of an audience. I never thought i'd see that happen, but it's looking more and more grim for the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

Maybe just maybe this will be the beginning of the end of this "reality show".

They Duggars need to concentrate on the family that they have, not worry about "encouraging others" to their way of thinking.

Anonymous said...

I saw the preview for this episode, and JB says "This will change our lives - forever." Really? I wonder what he means by that, because if they plan to continue having children, it doesn't look like things have changed too much. This is unrelated, but interesting... I watched an episode of 17 kids and counting just now, and Michelle's family is having a reunion. Her dad has Alzheimer's, and one of the sisters refuses to say so. Anyway, what I was going to point out is that Josh says, "Grandpa has been a great investment in my life." What does that mean?

SandAndRocks said...

There is NO way in this world I will watch the TLC exploitative "Special episode" the end of January. I would choose to have an unmedicated root canal. Enough is enough!
For people who espouse (verbally) being frugal and all that, they SURE do love money , just like the outside (heathen) world!
They sold their preterm baby's story, looks like to me. Disgusting.
AND, kept TRUE "fans" waiting for updates? Shame .
Go pound sand, JimBob and Jichelle!

Anonymous said...

When is Josh going to leave so he can cleave?

kels said...

"as the couple say they'll continue having children as long as Michelle is able"

How about we change the statement to "they'll continue having children as long as there are other grown girls around to mother it."

I can't even describe how wrong this statement is to me. They are talking about more babies when they are lucky as hell to have a living, breathing, severely premature little girl. Absolutely revolting.

Michelle has zero control over her body. I am sure of it. She told us that her DAUGHTERS watch her cycles like hawks. For one thing, that is wrong. For another thing, why are the girls in control of that? Why wouldn't Michelle track her own cycle? Why are Michelle's periods a family affair, posted in a place where the girls watch it? I'll tell you why. Because Jim Bob wants to know when the ole moneymaker is ovulating.

Seriously, as a woman, I can not imagine another woman even thinking about more pregnancies after the fiasco she just went through with the most recent. Jim Bob needs to man up and protect his poor wife and say "enough".

Anonymous said...

In their book, they specifically say that since Jill was born healthy and was an "easy baby", they felt it was God telling them they were doing His will by leaving the birth control to Him.

I have to wonder if they will wise up enough to see that Josie being born micro-preemie is God saying "Don't put words in my mouth" and "Knock it off, you have enough!"

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who watches, listens to how they speak - cringe - and at points say,"You keep saying that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

Anonymous said...

Re: Michelle has zero control over her Because Jim Bob wants to know when the ole moneymaker is ovulating.


Yes it's one thing for them to say that they don't use birth control,and just let the babies happen..which I would take to mean,they are not actively *trying to get pregnant..if it happens,it happens.QF's seem to say this a lot,but is it really this way??
It's entirely another matter to purposely set out to produce as many kids as possible,by watching the monthly calendar.

winsomeone said...

If Michelle has babies until it kills her, I bet old Jim Bob would have a new young wife within a year, and start on a second batch of 20.

Dunwoody Mom said...

His wife and child are in imminent danger and Jim Bob takes time out to talk to the cameras? And WTH with TLC, did they have cameras at the hospital 24x7 just hoping to catch some drama? I think I'm going to be ill........

Anonymous said...

Anonymous - nope, it's not just you! Many posters have mentioned "encourage" and "defraud," but I also notice "investment." "Grandpa has been a great investment in my life," says Josh. Makes absolutely no sense.

Cheetah said...

Anonymous said...
Josh says, "Grandpa has been a great investment in my life." What does that mean?

Although Josh is not so good with words (where did he get that from?), I believe that he was thanking his Grandpa for his influence and involvement in his (Josh's) life. I have seen criticism of Josh for this speech, but I believe he was being sincere and was paying tribute to his Grandpa.

Anonymous said...

I saw the promo for the program about Josie's birth. This is really dispicable. There is Jim Bob saying how this could change their loves forever. He said it so dramatically like it was rehearsed. I know this statement is true but now I know they sold out to TLC and have withheld info on Josie because they wanted to include it in the special. IMO, they are now right up there with the Gosselins. TLC controlled and money-hungry. I am so disappointed in them.

Anonymous said...

Cheetah - I totally agree that Josh was being sincere in his comment about his Grandpa. I wish it hadn't come across that I thought he shouldn't have said that. What I meant was that I think it's sad that the kids aren't taught the proper ways to express themselves to others in a language we all understand. It certainly isn't Josh's fault.

Judy said...

I saw the commercial. I think Jim Bob was terrified at that moment -- he was thinking our lives are going to be changed forever because this little girl might die or be severely disabled. That scared him because Jim Bob is used to textbook perfect pregnancies and deliveries with a healthy baby every, single time. I doubt it ever occurred to him or Michelle that this could ever happen, regardless of her age. Michelle will be pregnant again soon.

Jane in California said...

Anonymous said...

Cheetah - I totally agree that Josh was being sincere in his comment about his Grandpa. I wish it hadn't come across that I thought he shouldn't have said that. What I meant was that I think it's sad that the kids aren't taught the proper ways to express themselves to others in a language we all understand. It certainly isn't Josh's fault.
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I would agree that Josh's childhood education is not his fault, but he is now an adult. It would behoove him and all the rest of the Duggars, to get out a little bit more in the world and become more familiar with the English language. However, the Duggars, as are most people with very conservative beliefs, tend to be insular. They spend most of their time within their own circle of family and friends.

They also are not big proponents of reading and outside education - both places where Josh could have realized that his usage of some English words is incorrect. While some people would certainly be forgiving and understand the context of his incorrect word usage, others could well take it as a sign of ignorance or that he's just not very bright. Neither is a desirable impression.

cma said...

Did anyone else wonder about J Bob's 'change our lives forever' statement, that maybe the new baby has Downs or some other disability?
(not that is anything wrong with that, just it would be very life changing, I would imagine)

Anonymous said...

I thought Josh was saying that the time he spent with Grandpa was a great investment in his life.

Ann said...

Something still doesn't add up to me with why Josie was born so early. I hope the special gives some answers, and not Jim Bob "fluff". The timeline seems so short, between her being life flighted and having the baby for it to be just pre-ecampsia. My gut still says HELPP or there are other conditions we don't know about like possisbly a weak incompentent cervix? I had pre-ecampsia and I have had a stroke as well(not while I was pregnant).

When I was pregnant I sat 3 days a week in the stress test room with 8 other pregnant women for 17 weeks. High blood pressure for a few days alone would have never got you an emergency c-section. It would get you bedrest and many treatments would be tried. Even ladies who had a seizure (which usually means the pre-ecampsia is very bad) would get medication and rest. The big goal was 32 or 34 weeks and unless someone went into labor that could not be stopped, got HELPP, or the baby was in distress I did not see anyone deliver at 25 weeks for a 5 days of high blood pressure? The reading on the BP machine on the preview of 160's over 90's , though not ideal does not seem life treatening or liekly to cause a stroke like the preview said (unless again their is something we don't know).

I hope that they tell the truth about what happened without leaving out details which might make them look bad for trying for #19. I would really like to see addressed, if Michelle ever had high blood pressure during other pregnancies or in bewteen pregnancies? I would also like to see the medical cost addressed to once and for all the rumors of medicare/mediciad, high dedictible insurance can be put to rest. It would also be nice for the Duggars to ackowledge those that are struggling with premmies and do not have the luxury of TLC to help them.

I am torn to watch the episode or wait for a summary since I do feel Jim Bob is selling the story.

Anonymous said...

Michelle needs to woman up, tell ol'Jimmy boy where to stick it, and keep her legs closed.

I feel so sorry for the girls in the family....never being able to have a childhood, and basically looking like clones of their mother. That family is too closely knit, and it gives me the creeps.

Swissmiss said...

As far as why the new baby arrived so early, I believe they said at one point that Michelle was being treated for a gallbladder problem.

A blogger with a lot of medical knowledge wrote in and said she felt Michelle actually had a different medical problem and discussed it in great detail. Sorry I don't recall what it was.

GnowsBetter said...

I think I saw on the preview Michelle said she had preclampsia high blood pressure? This can be fatal to both mother and child, no? I always thought Jim Bob and Michelle have great respect and love for each other, romantic love still - you can see it in their eyes, and I bet they have a healthy sex life - hence the babies! Someone mentioned JimBob being used to text book pregnancies and deliveries - but Michelle had a couple c-sections, is that textbook?


I think Amy, since she is a regular part of the show, may very well have been "talked to" by TLC about releasing too much info, but what's wrong with that? In addition, it is possible she may have thought better of it too. Someone else mentioned that perhaps Josie had passed away (gasp!) and TLC might just be delaying the announcement. Births and deaths are public record folks, and HIPPA rules mean medical records are not. I am praying for all the Duggars, past and present, that they have strength to deal with this challenge on top of the TV show and their fame. Oh, and someone else mentioned how terrible it was they made a show about grieving when grandpa died. I see it as a great way to learn from other parents how to deal with the death of a loved one. I'm sorry, but I don't see the TLC influence so heavy in scripting this program as it is in some of their others. JimBob and Michelle are pretty strong in their values and beliefs, as is Josh I see now and they have a clear line in the sand where TLC may not cross.

Anonymous said...

As Michelle gets older, her pregnancies will become high risk. She will have more chance of blood pressure problems, gestational diabetes, and other problems. There is also an increased chance of Down's Syndrome for babies with older mothers. Michelle and future babies are at greater risk. She's a grandmother, for heaven's sake! I think their lives have changed forever because Jim Bob never really thought about what if Michelle died, and he was left raising 19 kids all by himself. I'm sure Josie's condition has changed the family because they really didn't think something like this would happen. The family has changed and maybe they have decided Josie had a close call and maybe Michelle is too old to keep popping out babies every year.
NICU babies are fragile. They can't tolerate a lot of light and sounds and things like that. Thank God the hospital staff, the Duggars, or maybe even TLC has enough sense not to evade the privacy of the NICU.

really like the Duggars said...

I really do like the Duggars, or atleast have loved m ost of everything I have seen. I liked the realness, vs showeyness that we see so much of. But I am really saddened that TLC has been allowed to make a spectacle of this tiny baby. I understand that TLC has the right to do this, but alot of people care about this whole family and I really hate it that no one could get an update on Michelle and Josie, because they are saving it for a rating boost. I should have known. But when does it stop? I really think that these parents do want the best for their family and they have the best intentions. But they are being taken for a ride, and its going to get really bumpy. Just my opinion of course and I know I will watch, because I do care about these people, not because I want to watch ANOTHER trainwreck.

Anonymous said...

does anyone have the link to the preview

doggie said...

People keep thinking Michelle has a choice about getting pregnant. it is up to god and they will not do anything to prevent it. so if she is capable of getting pregnant she will it's as simple as that. of course most of us know god as a bad track record of birth control.

Linda Bracher said...

So haven't the Duggars considered that God may be telling them to stop now? Maybe in all the distress over the baby they might not be thinking about it, but Michelle and the baby were at very high risk for their lives this time. I hope they will feell that God IS saying...enough now.

Ms Luey said...

I think people don't quite get the whole "God's Will" idea. People keep saying that Michelle should stop having kids - and she should. IMO she should have stopped LONG ago. But if you believe that birth control is immoral and that God wants you to have babies, then he will KEEP you from getting pregnant if he doesn't want you to.

God's Will means that you can have sex all day long and if he doesn't want you to have more babies, you won't get pregnant. There is no biology involved. If you get pregnant, it's God's Will. If you have a preemie, it's God's Will. If your baby dies, it's God's Will. There is no "God is sending them a message to stop". In their eyes, if God wants them to stop then he will stop it.

Jennifer said...

The person who said that doctors do not deliver early for only high blood pressure, is wrong. I was in labor with my daughter and magnesium and bp meds were not controlling my pressure, it was climbing and became very unsafe for the baby to stay inside and I was delivered.

kidznpupz said...

Re: High blood pressure
If the mother has uncontrolled high blood pressure she faces a possible stroke and kidney damage just to name a couple of complications. The only "cure" for pre-eclampsia is delivery of the child. So doctors most definitely need to deliver the baby if the mother is experiencing uncontrolled high blood pressure. By the way - I'm a nurse and what I am saying is absolutely true.

Anonymous said...

Ann said...

Something still doesn't add up to me with why Josie was born so early. I hope the special gives some answers, and not Jim Bob "fluff". The timeline seems so short, between her being life flighted and having the baby for it to be just pre-ecampsia. My gut still says HELPP or there are other conditions we don't know about like possisbly a weak incompentent cervix? I had pre-ecampsia and I have had a stroke as well(not while I was pregnant).

When I was pregnant I sat 3 days a week in the stress test room with 8 other pregnant women for 17 weeks. High blood pressure for a few days alone would have never got you an emergency c-section. It would get you bedrest and many treatments would be tried. Even ladies who had a seizure (which usually means the pre-ecampsia is very bad) would get medication and rest. The big goal was 32 or 34 weeks and unless someone went into labor that could not be stopped, got HELPP, or the baby was in distress I did not see anyone deliver at 25 weeks for a 5 days of high blood pressure? The reading on the BP machine on the preview of 160's over 90's , though not ideal does not seem life treatening or liekly to cause a stroke like the preview said (unless again their is something we don't know).

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Just curious - how long ago did you have your baby?

If it was a long time ago - it may be that back then, micro-preemies did not survive, so they tried harder to keep them in eutero, and take some risks there. Now, they have better technology to help micro-preemies, and perhaps are more willing to deliver them? Just a thought.

Kat said...

"NICU babies are fragile. They can't tolerate a lot of light and sounds and things like that. Thank God the hospital staff, the Duggars, or maybe even TLC has enough sense not to [invade] the privacy of the NICU.

Well, we all know now that that isn't true. The special will reveal just how much TLC invaded the NICU, but invade it they surely did. I can only hope the hospital got a big check out of them for allowing it.

Fortuantely, this particular hospital has individual NICU rooms, so at least the other children in there weren't forced to endure the film crew and cameras. Only poor Josie.

Anonymous said...

God gave us a brain for a reason-so we could use it and exercise good judgment and common sense. If God's will was for us all to have litters, our brains would never have grown or advanced.

Our brain is what separates us from rabbits, and they are the only other mammal that seems to breed with the mindlessness of the Duggars, but then they have a pea-sized brain.

Midnight Serenade said...

"If the mother has uncontrolled high blood pressure she faces a possible stroke and kidney damage just to name a couple of complications. The only "cure" for pre-eclampsia is delivery of the child. So doctors most definitely need to deliver the baby if the mother is experiencing uncontrolled high blood pressure. By the way - I'm a nurse and what I am saying is absolutely true."

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And isn't it amazing how high blood pressure returns to normal IMMEDIATELY after the delivery of the baby? The body is such a complex machine...

Anonymous said...

"I always thought Jim Bob and Michelle have great respect and love for each other, romantic love still - you can see it in their eyes, and I bet they have a healthy sex life - hence the babies!"

That made me think about a conversation I had with my husband when I first found out Michelle was pregnant with Josie (before there was any hint of a problem). Without mentioning the Duggars, I told him I wanted to ask him a hypothetical question. I asked him, "If I were in my early 40s and wanted to have a baby, and we already had a house full of healthy kids, it wasn't like we had been desperately trying to get pregnant for years or anything, if I wanted to get pregnant at that point in my life, what would you say?" Without hesitation he said, "I would tell you no. I LOVE you too much to risk your life or your health that way." I wish JimBob would love his wife that way. Especially when the Bible COMMANDS husbands to love their lives, but does not command couples not to use birth control. (God is pretty clear when he makes a command, and saying children are a blessing (which they are!) is not the same as a command not to use birth control.)

*sigh* Sometimes, as a Christian, I feel frustrated because I just feel like J & M are missing *it.*

-Emily

P.S. - I know the original post I quoted had nothing to do with this, but it made me think of this.

Anonymous said...

There is NO way in this world I will watch the TLC exploitative "Special episode" the end of January. I would choose to have an unmedicated root canal. Enough is enough!
For people who espouse (verbally) being frugal and all that, they SURE do love money , just like the outside (heathen) world!
They sold their preterm baby's story, looks like to me. Disgusting.
AND, kept TRUE "fans" waiting for updates? Shame .
Go pound sand, JimBob and Jichelle!

1/19/2010 2:39 PM

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As someone who "liked" the Duggars (and that is a very small camp, most people either "love 'em" or "hate 'em") I have to say, this whole "special delivery" episode just rubs me the wrong way.

I knew the reason there was no info on Josie being leaked was because they were waiting to share the news for money, this just confirms it for me.

I have only seen the commercial once. Everyone keeps commenting on how sad or scared JB looks when he says this is going to change or lives forever (I don't remember the exact words he used) but honestly what was running through my head was: I am supposed to believe he is so upset, but he has time to make a statement on camera? my next thought was: how many times did they "shoot" that scene for the most emotional impact?

It goes without saying the image I have of TLC is a table full of smarmy men and women greedily rubbing their hands together while watching the promo.

The Duggars have made their fortune, I just with they would pull the plug.

nccalgal said...

It was TLC that hid the actual state of J&K's relationship and foisted the "Hawaiian Wedding" series and then the new house all the while their marriage was disolving around them. Then they thought they could cash in on the juicy stuff with high ratings as the two of them snarled at each other for another season. The current season of LPBW that just ended played up the tension between Matt and Amy as if their marriage is on the brink. It should come as no surprise that they are making the most of this situation and they, maybe more than JB&M, are probably hoping that #20 is on its way soon so they can play that up to the hilt. Whether we like/love the Duggars or not, it may be time to start boycotting this show

Celestie said...

I hate to be so totally shallow, but how much prettier, Michelle looks with her hair pulled up. I do not find that greasy hank of hair attractive on young women, let alone middle aged ones.

Anonymous said...

Re: TLC camera's being at the hospital 24/7 to catch Michelle going into labor. I can not remember the episode, but it involved Josh and Anna,and something important was happening, and Josh called the TLC producers right and told them to get over here right away.
I bet you someone called the TLC producers with the Michelle situation. It is too bad that Michelle's health was not first but a call to TLC was. I would bet my last dollar on it.

Ollie said...

Josh called the cameras to come meet him at home when he went to tell Anna she was pregnant. (She had apparently taken the test at the dealership then went home to wait until Josh came to tell her the news.) Personally I had a hard time understanding why he would want to sell out such a private and happy moment between him and his wife, but to each his own. What really got me was later when they were calling Anna's parents and he said something like "there's a camera in my face right now" like he wasn't the one responsible for bringing the crew there in the first place!

Jane in California said...

Ollie said...

Josh called the cameras to come meet him at home when he went to tell Anna she was pregnant. (She had apparently taken the test at the dealership then went home to wait until Josh came to tell her the news.) Personally I had a hard time understanding why he would want to sell out such a private and happy moment between him and his wife, but to each his own.
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I recall that moment and feeling as you did -- sorry to see that Josh's inclination was to film and broadcast that once in a lifetime moment between a husband and wife.

For some reason, it made me think of the story of Jesus overturning the tables in the temple, although I know that has to do with those seeking profit from people seeking to hear the word of God. I'm probably mixing the belief that our bodies are temples and should not be defiled, with Jesus' wrath that profiteers were on temple grounds.

In other words, making money by filming a moment that should be considered once in a lifetime between Josh and Anna, her body being the temple that would house their unborn baby, and the profiteers being Josh and TLC. There was no need to take that special moment from Anna like that. TLC could have just as easily sent a film crew out the next day to have Josh and Anna relate their thoughts and feelings on discovering they were pregnant with their first child.

Anonymous said...

I would have to agree with Celestie, Ithought Michelle Dugger looked really good with her hair up too. I was kinda surprised. It took her from looking like an old lady hairdo to somone who is youthful and attractive. Too bad their religion makes them dress like frumpy old ladies. Just my opinion.

msrylee said...

I also agree with the posters who have said the reason no up-dates were given was so that TLC and the Duggars could exploit the very early arrival of a fragile micro-premie. There are no words left for me to say that haven't already been said.

I will boycott the products advertised on their shows, and all TLC sponsors. Furthermore, I will not watch the life-changing performance on Sun. or another TLC program again.

Dana said...

I think there's a very good chance that Michelle won't have another pregnancy, just because she probably has a damaged uterus.

When I was 20 and 25 weeks pregnant, I went into labor and found out my son had died from high BP at the beginning of the pregnancy that damaged my placenta. My son had died and I was eclampsic. My BP was never under 200/100 for the entire labor.

However, I could not have a c-section because, according to the doctor, my uterus was not "ripe" enough. If they had just taken me into the OR there was a good chance they would lose the uterus and the ensuing surgery and blood loss would push the BP up even higher.

Obviously, Michelle had a lower BP and they were trying to keep her out of the zone of being able to get the baby out alive instead of dead and maybe her dead too. But with three previous C-sections, that amount of damage would probably make it difficult for an egg to implant, if conception went that far.

I think that part of what you saw in Jim Bob at the end is that he realized that it would take a miracle to save his wife, whom he genuinely seems to love, and his very tiny baby. Also, there was probably knowledge that this is the end of that "time of their lives" and wondering what might have happened if they had just slowed down after Jordyn. Getting over a C-section and then getting immediately pregnant again was probably not what any doctor would recommend.

And I haven't decided whether I can watch this or not. I actually do respect them enough to not hold living in front of cameras against them. Possibly, this might be a lesson for all those who have kids that it's not always a happy home birth like Anna had. Many times mothers go home alone. I just know lying in that bed with the crash cart beside me what being scared of dying feels like.

Mandy said...

It looks like TLC has officially renamed the show to 19 Kids and Counting since it's listed on their website that way now.

Swissmiss said...

I'm not sure where this post actually belongs. The website TMZ has just posted a snippet of Jim Bob and Michelle admiring the new baby. Michelle was still in bed and they wheeled in the incubator, so it's pretty old video.

My, seeing such a pathetically tiny creature was sad. Hopefully she looks much better now.

Anonymous said...

heres a preview link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPmuqzcigYU&feature=player_embedded

Anonymous said...

Well, at least it appears from the preview that the cameras weren't allowed back into the surgery. I have to give the Duggars and/or the hospital staff credit for that.

Kat said...

Only the special will show it for sure (whether the surgery is filmed), but according to the article, they had to do the C-section in 30 mins, yet JB had time to film an interview and call home. When we were in a similar situation, we had about 5 mins after diagnosis to make a call and say "Get to the hospital now." I would not have left that bedside for all the money in the world. I surely hope the money is worth it, JB.

Anonymous said...

I thought that Jim Bob's call home, all teary eyed, while Michelle is in mortal danger, would make sense EXCEPT that there were TV cameras filming him! Is nothing sacred, not a "normal" birth (ie, Josh and Anna) or an emergency birth? Some moments are just not meant to be taped and shared with millions of no-longer adoring fans.

Irony Alley said...

I'm watching the show right now and am struck by some irony. The entire reason this family is so large, and is on television, is because of the guilt Jim Bob and Michelle felt as a result of a miscarriage.

Now, they're in the hospital crying, facing the potential loss of a tiny baby, because that guilt has driven them to continue to have babies over and over. Either way, they are at risk of endangering the life of a baby.

Hannah said...

wow. little girls hanging from stairs.
feeding kids upside down.


I cant stand Josh.


I womnder if all the kids in the incu was a good idea. Its so many germs.

I hope she makes it a loss of any child is terrible.

Jessica said...

I just watched it, and cried.
I hope that Josie continues to grow and has no complications.

She was so small :(

Anonymous said...

I honestly have a hard time making sense out of this whole thing when I really think about it. I try to give the D's the benefit of the doubt, but I almost cried when I saw how small Josie was. All I could think about was the differences and similarities between what happened in this situation and an abortion. If Michelle's blood pressure had spiked or she had had some other life-threatening condition earlier in the pregnancy, would they have done the same thing? Since they don't believe in aborting to save only the mother's life, I wonder what they would have done if this happened at a time when there was no possibility that the baby would have survived an early delivery. It's just strange to me that they felt so guilty over their miscarriage but are willing to have potentially put another baby through what Josie is having to go through right now. I know to some people these situations are apples and oranges, and I believe the Duggars truly do have good hearts and mean well, but I just can't help but thinking and comparing the logic behind these decisions.

Anonymous said...

I guess nothing the Duggars do should surprise me anymore, but I'm still in shock. What kind of hospital allows a film crew to come in and film an emergency C-section of a pre-term birth? And after that to allow the entire Duggar clan to pile into Josie's NICU room, including all the little kids and a film crew? Remind me never to get sick in the south if this is the kind of smarts doctors down their display.

Judy said...

What was interesting to me about the show was the fact that they didn't know the sex of the baby until 24 weeks. Usually the sex can be determined much earlier than that, and it seemed like before Michelle always tried to find out ASAP. I'm wondering why they didn't know before then.

Oh_TLC said...

Did anyone else catch during the commercial for this upcoming season of 19k, when they were talking about all the changes and then they zoomed in on john david and said "and we have a new...." and then a pause, and then they show JOsie and say "name for the show". they were totally playing on the fact that we are all waiting in anticipation for a John David courtship!! Also, anyone know where John David was during the Today show interview? He was the only one not there (except for Josh/Anna)

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice in that when the family went to the hospital go see Michelle and the baby that one of the older sisters was holding the last baby. That baby acted like she did not recognize her mama. She made no move to reach out for her. It was almost like mama was a complete stranger.

Anonymous said...

I've always enjoyed seeing the Duggars on TV. However, as a grandmother of premature quadruplets born at 29 weeks, I was very put off by the filming of the C. Section and showing Josie's first moments of life. Nothing covering her, her genitals showing, and struggling to breathe - that caving in of the chest remains in my memory of seeing my tiny grandchildren do that, and it was heartbreaking. I am very disappointed that Jim Bob and Michelle allowed this. At this point, the exploitation of this tiny little girl is worse than the Gosselin children. I am simply appalled.

Joanna said...

I cried at the end seeing baby Josie. I don't care about the conterversy surrounding anything the Duggars do. I still love this family and I love watching them and they do inspire me. Not to go out and try for a half dozen children biologically, but their faith always does.

Besides, even if I was quiverfull or whatever, I'm to old to catch up with the Duggars and Bates to even pop out a dozen, unless I had several multi-births of triples and quads or higher.

shawna said...

"the Bible COMMANDS husbands to love their wives, but does not command couples not to use birth control. (God is pretty clear when he makes a command, and saying children are a blessing (which they are!) is not the same as a command not to use birth control.)"

Great point!

What makes me mad is that they made sure to showcase their little christian soldiers in El Salvador doing a mission trip. As if to say, "Hey look at us, we're not selfish! Our kids are on a mission trip". They have already done a special show dedicated to their mission in El Salvador.. do we need to see another one?

To be clear.. I think it's absolutely great that the kids are out there doing missions. But the Bible says not to showcase your service to the whole world. The point is to serve the Lord and others, not to bring glory to yourself.

Anonymous said...

I guess nothing the Duggars do should surprise me anymore, but I'm still in shock. What kind of hospital allows a film crew to come in and film an emergency C-section of a pre-term birth? And after that to allow the entire Duggar clan to pile into Josie's NICU room, including all the little kids and a film crew? Remind me never to get sick in the south if this is the kind of smarts doctors down their display.
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Jim Bob filmed the birth, and most of the shots we saw of Michelle and Jim Bob. In El Salvador it's one of the older kids doing the filming. Film crew was at the Duggar house filming the kids.

One thing this did show me is that when Michelle is there the kids are completely different. That tells me that Michelle has a lot more to do with the raising of the children then any one gives her credit for.

Anonymous said...

Having a film crew at the house does not negate having a film crew at the hospital at the same time. Figure 8 has a lot more than one film crew working for them. It's a pretty simple matter for them to fly out some extra people for a few days.

Chris said...

I'm not sure how to feel after watching this episode, it is a mix of feelings. As for seeing Josie I felt sad. I hope she is getting stronger everyday.

The new beginging or "intro" for the show sure changed. It was far less Duggar and reminded me of other TLC shows. She it had a clip of the kids around the dining table doing work, but all the voice overs about values, little tv etc were gone. I love gymboree clothes and for the first time I saw 5 gymboree sightings on the younger girls and 2 were from the current lines, I really doubt the local thrift store was selling these! Before when we saw the kids clothes changing and saw name brands it was hard to tell how old the Gap, or abercrombie shirt/jacket was, now with the gymboree I can tell they are getting new clothes. I am not against them getting new stuff but please don't let me hear Jim Bob talking about buying used anytime soon.

It was nice, though I wish it was under different circumstances for the kids to have a little more freedom. Even if the kids were wild, they seemed more "normal". I liked getting to see Anna in the Duggar home.

One thing I do not understand, why was Jill In charge during the el salvador trip? John david went and is older? Why would Jim Bob not put the oldest male in charge espcially when Jill said she did not like being a leader, just a follower (don't get me started on that statement).

Anonymous said...

Chris said..."One thing I do not understand, why was Jill In charge during the el salvador trip? John david went and is older? Why would Jim Bob not put the oldest male in charge espcially when Jill said she did not like being a leader, just a follower (don't get me started on that statement)."

I also noticed this a bit in the Today show clip. Jill talked but Jana and John-David did not. I was confused by it then, but now that I've been reminded about Jill's statment about wanting to be a follower, I wonder if her parents are trying to encourage personal growth. If John-David or Jana is always in charge, then Jill will never get that chance to grow past her comfort level.

-Just Another Lurker

*~*Nicole*~* said...

Wow this episode had me in tears! It was an entirely different side of the Duggars.
First of all, I have mixed feelings about the older kids going to El Salvador. Not sure how I feel about that.
I felt incredibly bad for Michelle. She felt miserable, she was terrified of losing her baby and her own life, half her children were in another country and her youngest were at home without her. Her tears, as well as her exposed belly during the C-section were on display for the world to see. And something tells me if she even had enough energy to protest, JimBob wouldn't have stopped the filming.
It was refreshing yet sad to see JB fighting back tears. However, his comment about them praising God during the good times and now praising Him during the trying times really touched me.
I might get blasted for this but I wasn't completely disgusted with Josh in this episode. I actually respect him a little. He took charge of the little ones and was considerate enough to give Grandma a break. And it didn't look like he put all the work onto Anna. She said (speaking to Jordyn): "We were up with your little niece until 3 a.m." I assume "we" meant her and Josh.
And seeing the children hoot and holler at the announcement of the baby's gender made me smile. I'm sure Jinger rolled her eyes but the entire family clapped and cheered. Then seeing their tears as they saw Josie for the first time convinced me that they don't see their younger siblings as a burden. Even if they were programmed by JB and Michelle to care for them, there's a natural feeling of resentment and jealousy that's hard-wired into us. They don't seem to have those feelings towards their siblings.
And finally, does anyone else think that John David and the oldest, not-so-pretty Bates girl kinda look alike?? They seem to act alike, too...I'm betting on those two being the next courtship!

Anonymous said...

The actual c-section with Michelle's belly, and Josie's first moments of life with her exposed genitals WERE NOT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO SEE! (sorry for shouting!). And DEFINITELY not from a supposedly modest family. The entire show was a disgrace. I feel dirty for having watched it.

God bless little Josie. I am sorry your parents have so little common sense that they exploited your birth and early days, and potentially compromised your health in the process.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice during the NICU scene that the kid with the hat was pushed back by one of the sisters. Also, that Michelle said Most of the older children were home. Is there something going on here? Teenage angst. Even the Amish recognize the need to separate and explore the world.

MayDay said...

I found it amazing that the "hospital rules" were bent for the Duggars and their first visit with Josie. As a mother of two preemies ( 5 years apart) that were in the NICU, I remember that only two people at one time could see the baby. And we had to wear a hospital gown. I guess for the Duggars there are no rules, as there were at least 20 plus people gawking at the baby. What are the parents thinking, exposing her to so many people, in a open area like the baby was. They did not even have to look at her through a window. Talk about taking a chance of speading infection...but I guess TLC calls all the shots.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why complain about Jill being in charge of a trip? Many complain because there are role genders and now that a female is in charge there is complaining. Maybe John David just did not want to be the leader and Jill did. It seems no matter what they do there is always someone complaining.

Kliff said...

So I'm a bit suprised by the large role Jill played during this entire episode including everything about the El Salvadore trip. Maybe John and Jana were too busy actually doing a lot of the work to worry about the carema crew stuff so that got passed onto Jill? Or maybe John and Jana now have significant others in their lives and now Jill is getting a lot of the limelight in order to gather the attentions of potential suitors? Maybe Jana and John don't really like being on camera that much?

Other than that i was really suprised with the way this episode went off. I thought it would be tacky, but it was great to see some insight intot he chain of events that went into Michelle's medical situation, the mission trip, the birth and recovery. I'm glad I watched.

Midwest Mom said...

So it's apparent in this episode that the Duggar children are FAR FROM PERFECT in their behavior ! When the cat's away, the mice will play. They aren't nearly as perfectly behaved as some people believed. I suspected as such, this episode just confirmed it.

Josh said he had to remind the little ones that he was in charge. Leave it to Josh to once again toot his own horn.

The little girl hanging on the stairs? Another example of lack of safety in this home.

I find JohnDavid's behavior very interesting. This episode showed him, after the birth, and he said, "Number 19". That's all. Kind of matches with his reaction in the episode with the homemade water slide: JB/Michelle make their #19 preggers announcement and JB walks up to JohnDavid and, well, JohnDavid has no reaction. I see embarrassment and hopefully an "I Can't Wait To Get Out Of Here" attitude.

Please, I hope NO "courtship" announcements come anytime soon. Let those older children live life !

Let those older ones get some post-secondary education, move away to train in an apprenticeship program, join the military, anything to get them out of the house. The last thing they need at age 20 is to get married and continue to live the Duggarville life. There's plenty of time for that later.

And as someone who has personally stood at the NICU bedside of 26-week-old twins, both of whom died after several weeks, I'd just like to say Shame on TLC for filming the siblings initial visit to see Josie. That is an intensely personal moment that should not be a spectator sport.

I'm still not finding any "encouragement" from their episodes.

nccalgal said...

What bothered me about the episode was when they let the older ones know that Josie had been born, they were cheering. I realize the younger ones may not have understood the gravity of the situation but the older ones should have. Although Josh seemed concerned when he got the call, it didn't look like anyone was taking this very seriously. No mention of, she's still very sick and needs our prayers, it was almost a total disconnect from reality.
As far as Jordyn being reluctant to go to her mother, that isn't the first time I've seen that happen when a mother has had to be separated from her baby for a period of time. I'm not sure why it happens, but it ususally doesn't take long before they warm up again. I didn't contribute that to the "buddy" system, after all, as the youngest, she would still be Michelle's "buddy".

Jan said...

I don't like TLC and the way they exploit people, but they do and the Duggar's allow it. I am not sure how they still justify spreading their word or whatever it is they say they are doing, but they are now a brand and I am sure Gymbo, Gap etc. are glad for the advertising. If a company is sending them free stuff I am sure they appreciate it and justify it somehow.

The Duggar's in general don't bother me. I rather like them and I think they are a happy bunch.

Regarding John David and a courtship-he seems very young and I don't see this on his radar yet.

Jana,she seems painfully shy and I don't see a courtship for her too soon either.

Jill on the otherhand seems very mature and somewhat well spoken. Maybe that's why she was put in charge.

I don't care one bit for Josh or Anna. I don't mean to be rude, but YUCK!!!

Bless Josie and her struggles and I pray they are thru having children.

Anonymous said...

I watched and I felt so badly for those kids when they went in to see their new little sister. I don't think they were prepared for what they saw...a tiny bird-like creature covered in wires, tubes and a much too large hat. not exactly the chubby bouncing baby that they are all used to seeing after mama duggar pops another one out.

Beachbrums said...

Can someone tell me who is educating these children while the mother is so ill and in the hospital? Even now that the baby is in the NICU for almost 2 months, how is she able to homeschool? This is the part that is really disturbing to me. Women that are 43 just don't happen to get pregnant once a year. It takes planning and effort!! Disgusting!!

CarolS461 said...

Does anybody know if the full episode is posted on the internet anywhere? I fell asleep and didn't get to see the whole thing.

Is it going to be re-broadcast anytime soon?

Thanks!

Judy said...

nccalgal:

I get the impression that Michelle is the baby's buddy until he/she stops nursing, so not sure if Jordyn is still Michelle's buddy??

Anonymous said...

This show was just filled with so many hypocritical moments for me. I think they are losing sight of who they are for ratings and money. The older kids obviously don't want to be a part of this anymore. The young ones are getting out of control. I think at one time this family was a great example for so many but sadly, cracks are showing and I'm losing so much respect for Jim Bob and Michelle. It's become an explotation of a once beautiful family. Jim Bob kept saying "she's perfect, she's beautiful". How naive did he look?! Michelle knew she wasn't "perfect". JB needs a reality check and I'm afraid he's gotten a good one.

Jen said...

Ok, now I am super curious. Remember the episode a few months ago when Michelle was feeding baby food to a child lying down in her lap? That kind of freaked me out. I was wondering if that was some sort of method that I don't know about. Did anyone notice that Anna was doing the same thing to Jordyn in yesterday's episode? Now I know it wasn't a one-time thing. Either this is a method that is difficult to find out about (information I have found says not to do this, as we all thought)or Michelle doesn't know THE single most fundamental thing about feeding little ones and has taught Anna this way. But I don't think this is the case, because after having so many, surely she knows a thing or two. And if it was just Michelle's lack of knowledge, then there is no reason Anna would do it the same way. Michelle has obviously taught this to Anna, so there must be a reason. I just can't find out where this method comes from? Any thoughts?

Ollie said...

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with showing a naked image of Josie, given that she is a long way from puberty and everything so therefore not a sexual being, but I did think it was very odd for a family that preaches modesty to such extremes. Was it just a slip up? My family also tries to dress modestly and we've never allowed nude photos of our babies even for our own use, much less to be broadcast on national television. it's not a sexual thing, it's just that certain things are private and not meant to be shared with the world, including the parts of a persons body that their culture deems private. I also thought Jim Bob looked very out of place standing over her incubator and grinning like an idiot. He seemed to be in a state of denial for the entire episode, but I guess we all cope in our own ways.
I thought Johanna was so cute climbing up the sides of the stairs (safety concerns aside). I did the same thing when I was just a bit older than her and I still remember my aunt shrieking and running to pull me down like Anna did. Little kids just do things like that. Although from what we saw on TV last night the Duggars may want to look into a more structured way to help their little ones get their energy out so they aren't so rowdy all the time. I usually have my little ones dance for a bit, but I'm sure the Duggars could have them run laps around the house or "jump for joy" or something.

Anonymous said...

I am an evangelical Christian ( pastor's wife). I do not hold to the Quiverfull ideaology, and am not as socially conservative as the Duggars.

However, I want to come to their defense on some things.

1. I dont believe they are irresponsible to have so many children. Before the advent of Birth Control, many people had large families ( 19-not so many). Michelle and JB really truly believe that God will grant them the children HE wants them to have, and as long as her body
( and her hormones) allow. They arent selfish, they truly believe that is what God wants them to do.

2. As evangelical Christians, we believe it is our Christian duty to be a "good witness" to everyone we can. Granted, most of us have much smaller spheres of influence than the Duggars have, and our way of sharing our "faith in action" is much different, but I believe they really believe they should share their lives in this way, since they have been given the platform. Not every family their size is given this platform, but they believe they should show anyone who WANTS to watch, how they live their faith and how much peace and joy it gives them.

No one has to watch the show, only those who are interested need to tune in.

Again, I dont live out my faith in the way they do, and I dont practice my faith the same way they do, but I do understand why they want to live it out in front of anyone who cares to watch their show.

Tammy C said...

When Josie was born I too found it strange that the older ones cheered for the birth.They should have been on their knees praying.

I almost cried when all went to see Josie.That is when all realized how serious this situation was.I don't think they were prepared to see a baby hooked up and very small.

Cyn said...

Older children cheering:
1) All children born into that house are celebrated, even and especially little Josie
2)They weren't sure if Josie could make it and or if Michelle would (the older ones anyway) so to hear they HAD survived would be cause for cheering.

As for Josie being 'perfect' she IS. She could be deaf, dumb, and blind, and severely disabled and the Duggars would still think she was 'perfect' because God gave her to them.

Psalms 119:14I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

To the Duggars this applies to every person NOT just the 'healthy' ones.

BioEngr said...

Why is Jill the only "kid" who ever does interviews anymore? I love Jill, I think she is very well spoken, but do the other kids not want to be interviewed? Or did Jill get some sort of "deal" now that she is older?

Anonymous said...

Regarding Jill being in charge. I think Jana wasn't there. I kept looking for her the whole episode and esp in the scene where they were watching the video learning the gender. I did not see her until they were in El Salvador. I think she was somewhere else and joined them there.
Regarding the filming, I am very understanding of them filming it, even if little Josie didnt or doesnt make it. I had an at term still birth 6 years ago and we photographed and taped everything. People might think we are morbid, but we are so grateful that we have such precious pictures and video of our daughter since that is all we have. Notice the Duggars waited until they were more confident that she was doing well and would make it before they broadcast the tapes. If she had died they would have been so glad they had her few moments alive taped etc.

And I agree with the PP that the shots in the hospital were not done by tlc film crew. I know they could have sent someone else(since the main crew was at home), but if you look at the quality and the angle of the video, it looks amatuer. Jimbob propped the camera and talked into it himself.

nccalgal said...

Cyn - My point was not that Josie should not be celebrated, it was that her life was in the balance and I didn't see any concern on their faces much less a suggestion to pray for her and their mother. My friend's daughter delivered a micro-premie in October at 27 weeks after being hospitalized for 3 weeks before the delivery. As soon as we knew the baby was going to be delivered, everyone began praying for the mother and child. We were very aware that this child was fearfully and wonderfully made, but were also knew she wasn't "done" yet and knew there were going to be lots of challenges ahead. That's what I didn't see last night.

Midwest Mom said...

Anonymous 2:48 said, "but they believe they should show anyone who WANTS to watch, how they live their faith and how much peace and joy it gives them."

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I watch only for one reason: just when I think this family can't get any more bizarre or hypocritical, they surprise me again and again. Their faith stirs me to do the exact opposite of what they do.

Anonymous said...

Josh and Anna seemed a little overwhelmed by caring for so MANY little ones all by themselves without the help of the older siblings. Maybe this experience will cause J/A not to have so many babies so quickly the way JB/M did. They got a little glimpse of the possible future - and it looked like they were both worn out.

Midwest Mom said...

@Anonymous: Josh and Anna seemed a little overwhelmed by caring for so MANY little ones all by themselves.

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Yes, and the clincher was when Josh said that Grandma was taking a break. Ha ha ! Translation: too many kids, not enough caregivers without the older girls at home.

Anonymous said...

Regardless of everything else, watching this special made me very, very, very thankful and grateful for my healthy baby boy and all of the blessings in life that I often times take for granted.

Qmomma said...

Anonymous,

I, too, had a full-term stillbirth. Mine was 9 years ago, and like you, we taped and took photographs. I have a box full of her hospital stuff, clothing, cards, pictures, etc. That is all I have left of her little life. So, I totally agree that the Duggars will be thankful that they have this footage, should anything happen to Josie. I don't know that it should be on national television, but I don't think it's morbid.

Anonymous said...

To all the people who think there wasn't a crew in Little Rock, Sean posted on his facebook page that he and others were already there.

Deanna said...

Of course there was a crew in Little Rock. We knew from the moment that Michelle was airlifted there (and who took that footage?!) that Sean and the gang were going to meet her there.

Most of the hospital footage has Jim Bob by Michelle, walking with her, walking into the OR, etc. In the OR, he was up by her head, while we, the viewing public, got to see her bloody insides and the first look at naked TINY baby Josie.

Of course there was a camera crew, and it is just plain HARD TO BELIEVE that Michelle would allow all those men to be there when she was the most immodest.

Cheetah said...

Anonymous(6:15) said...
Since they don't believe in aborting to save only the mother's life

Where did you hear this? I'm skeptical that this is what they believe. Almost all pro-lifers make an exception when the mother's life is in jeopardy. That being said, I'm sure it would have been a very difficult choice for them to make, had Josie not been old enough to survive outside the womb.

Judy said...
I get the impression that Michelle is the baby's buddy until he/she stops nursing, so not sure if Jordyn is still Michelle's buddy??

I'm pretty sure that Jordyn has been passed off to one of her sisters. It appears that Jessa is her buddy, but Jinger and Joy have also been seen holding her during interviews.

CarolS461 said...

I was thinking the same thing about Michelle's hair. She looks really pretty with shorter hair pulled away from her face.

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Celestie said...
I hate to be so totally shallow, but how much prettier, Michelle looks with her hair pulled up. I do not find that greasy hank of hair attractive on young women, let alone middle aged ones.

1/26/2010 12:08 PM

Anonymous said...

Yes the Duggar girls /ladies are more attractive without the long hanging hair but to assume its all 'greasy hanks of hanging hair' seems more than unfair...are we privy to their personal hygiene now? Geesh...

kawanale said...

I'm watching that episode right now, and I am quite surprised the hospital would allow all those cameras and people in the building, especially a NICU.

I also noticed no one took any "sterile precautions" when they went to visit Josie in the NICU. No one had to take off their shoes and put on those slippers or put on the gowns or wear masks or wash their hands.

Maybe things are done differently at that hospital, but the show was pretty graphic about describing all the things that could go wrong for Josie and I would think they would do everything to prevent outside contaimination. I mean everything on your shoes, your hands, the things you touch, etc., can be transmitted in that small room where everyone is breathing and stuff.

I also noticed the nurse taking their temperatures didn't change the mouthpiece or sterilize it after each person.

I also noticed some strange guys and gals in the NICU (in the group looking at Josie) that are not Duggars. I saw Cousin Amy and Grandma Duggar, but there were a few people that I did not recognize and they were older, like Josh's age or around there. Are they new fiances/fiancees we don't know about?

Well, it is too bad the Duggars and TLC are exploiting poor Josie's fight to live. I know TLC is paying the Duggars lots of money to continue this, but really, when is enough enough to stop exploiting the kids? Look at what is happening with the Gosselin kids, they don't know how to function without the tv crew around as that's all they have ever known fron the age of 2 or so.

To be fair, we also contribute to this. We come to websites like this and post about the show. I know people from TLC are checking things out and they know people are interested in this no matter what they say so they will continue to produce such shows. At least with people like The Little Couple (which I really like), they are adults, have no kids, but I do wonder if they will also exploit their attempts to have children and subsequently their childhood like the Roloffs.

I seem to be okay with adults doing this sort of stuff, but when it comes to little babies fighting for their lives in a hospital while their 18 siblings gawk at them, I just think there's something wrong with the whole thing.

Anonymous said...

I have to say it, but some hospitals in AR aren't all that they should be. Just one instance, but patient care rules and confidentialty were broken time and time again when my dad was in that same hospital.