Tues, February 2, 2010, Josie Duggar's First Christmas

The Duggars have already received an early Christmas present - the nineteenth Duggar, Josie. We'll track her progress and watch as the Duggars recount Christmases past. See what it's like to celebrate with (and buy for) over 20 immediate family members!

30 minutes

84 comments:

Ohio Buckeye said...

I wish little Josie well, but thanks anyway, I'm going to pass on this one.....

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I hope that the new baby gets to come home soon.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely sickening to exploit a tiny preemie like that. I sure won't be watching that train wreck. I don't want them to get a dime of my advertising dollar money, thanks.

Anonymous said...

So is this the beginning of the new season then? If they are already showing Josie's progress the camera crew must have been spending quite a bit of time at the hospital.

It really isn't too difficult to imagine what it must be like to buy for that many people and I know they said immediate family but a lot of families celebrate with a lot of extended family members so that isn't too hard to understand either.

Bubbles said...

I'm interested to see how they do Christmas...I've wondered about it before.

Anonymous said...

Yea! Time to celebrate and be happy for a family that truly has something to celebrate!

Moonpie said...

I don't really care what this family does anymore. I'll probably watch out of curiosity and I do wish Josie well. But what I definently want to see is what happens to those older girls, their future plans are far more interesting to me.

Anonymous said...

For the family that cherishes it's children as the Duggars do, every step of improvement that Josie makes and continues to make is cause for gratefulness and celebration!!!!

I realize all people do not share the wonderment and joy that the Duggars have for their children, but that shouldn't stop us or them for being happy that Josie is doing better than expected and continuing to improve.

Anonymous said...

I believe the Duggars have a lot to celebrate. No, Josie is not out of the woods yet, but I am sure the Duggars are cherishing every minute with her. They don't love her any less just because she is their 19th child.

I understand the belief that they should "call it quits," on having more children, but I don't see why someone could say it's their fault that this happened. Up until now, they have had perfectly normal pregnancies. Michelle stated she had preclampsia with her first twin pregnancy but all the others have been normal. Josie being born at 25 weeks due to preclampsia is not a result of the number of pregnancies she has had. Her uterus didn't fail. Doctors don't understand exactly why preclampsia occurs. She is at a higher risk because of her age but not because she has had so many children.

All in all, choosing to have children is their decision. Their decision is based on a belief in God. I would assume that they would also believe that God has a plan, even for Josie and that the outcome will be God's will.

Another Baby said...

MacKynzie's first Christmas, too. Oh wait: that doesn't matter because the Queen Bee didn't birth her.
Forgot.

Anonymous said...

The number of children she has may not have anything to do with pre eclampsia but her age certainly does. I was reading that risks are higher actually in younger women and women over 40. She has had it before and this time it was dangerous for her and her baby. I could see wanting to try for another baby if you had one or even two, but 19 children. God did not only give her a uterus He gave her a brain and maybe she should start using it as much as she has her uterus.

reality bites said...

" Didn't you know that the Duggars and the others of that belief system are the ONLY ones God favors? "

Where does that come from? They've never said it, I'v never heard it implied. What is that about?
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If you read their website (along with Anna's and Josh's,) you will see they say it loud and clear. They imply that being a good person will not get you a place in heaven. Only believing the way they do will win you salvation.

Jess C said...

It is odd how they aren't mentioning Mackynzie's first Christmas too, Another Baby. That is very tacky. :(

Hannah said...

I really dont like Josh.

However, I think its sweet of them to help out the family. They should also do there own private thing for Mack as all the focus is on Josie.

When the older girls move on and starting make babies. lol. I can just see Mack and Josie being buddies.

winsomeone said...

I thought the whole show was boring..kept showing the same thing repeatedly. Plus, how did the camera crew get to the hospital before Michelle when she was life flighted? They were there already to film her arrival. The younger kids were taken out to see the lights..was that their whole Christmas? Didn't see their home decorated in anyway?

kasay said...

reality bites said...
" Didn't you know that the Duggars and the others of that belief system are the ONLY ones God favors? "

Where does that come from? They've never said it, I'v never heard it implied. What is that about?
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If you read their website (along with Anna's and Josh's,) you will see they say it loud and clear. They imply that being a good person will not get you a place in heaven. Only believing the way they do will win you salvation.

1/31/2010 6:19 PM

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This is nothing new. This is something all Christians should believe in . Otherwise, nothing they do makes sense. If you beleive you are doing God's will the way it should be done, then the others are not going to heaven. and if the're right too, why not act any way that's easier and freer?

I am not a Christian

Mandy said...

I'm looking forward to hearing about their past Christmases. I've always wondered about how they do them and what their main traditions are.

And I have a feeling we'll see plenty of Mackynzie and hear about it being her first Christmas on the show, the description is just a short explanation of the episode. Not to mention, this is technically a show about Jim Bob and Michelle's family.

CappuccinoLife said...

"They imply that being a good person will not get you a place in heaven. Only believing the way they do will win you salvation. "

Believing that Jesus is the only way to heaven is a common and orthodox Christian belief, not limited to modern American fundamentalist Christians, and is completely seperate from their rejection of birth control. They have never stated nor implied that their beliefs about birth control are a matter of salvation.

Sugar Booger said...

I am not defending any of the Duggar's decisions, nor am I condemning them, as I have not been in their situation and cannot comment. However, I have friends who are very devout in their religious beliefs, and as for the Duggar's choosing to air their most intimate family moments on television... well if they truly feel that they have been called to minister through this show, truly called by God to inspire and encourage others, they will put their need for privacy aside and show those moments, because they feel that they are achieving a higher calling. The same with Michelle's protest so soon after Josie's birth... if she feels she has a calling her personal feelings, her need to be with her baby, etc... that is of no consequence as she feels this is how she has been called to serve. Just some insigt... some might see it as selfish, and some as extremely un-selfish... all in how you look at it...

reality bites said...

Believing that Jesus is the only way to heaven is a common and orthodox Christian belief, not limited to modern American fundamentalist Christians, and is completely seperate from their rejection of birth control. They have never stated nor implied that their beliefs about birth control are a matter of salvation.
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Yes they do. Everything they do or say is a matter of salvation. I am a Christian and I don't hold to the belief one has to believe in Jesus to get to heaven. Not all Christians believe that.
I would have to believe that the Jews who were tortured and suffered during the Haulocaust are in hell and the Nazi's who were born-again or even just simply Christians are in heaven even though they inflicted said suffering. No God of mine would do that. And believe me I have wrestled with this and this is what God has told me. So to consider the Duggars harmless, sweet people is really kinda strange in a way considering their beliefs.

Anonymous said...

It is one thing if the parents chooose to give up their privacy to share their beliefs, it is a totally different to give up their children's privacy.

I don't care about the parents they are able to choose to give up their privacy, the children aren't. They are no better than the Gosselins were by parading their children around to further their agenda.

Anonymous said...

As a Jew, I know that Christians like the Duggars believe that I am destined to spend my final resting place in Hell.

I find this very disturbing.

But there are many other things about the Duggars that bother me far more than what they think my lack of belief in Jesus as anything more than a very good man. However, it's just another way that they judge people, although they claim not to.

reality bites said...

As a teen I watched a PBS documentary about a Rabbi who lost his entire family in the Holocaust. His wife, and like nine of his children killed by the Nazis death machine. After the war, this dear man prayed and worshipped God EVERY SINGLE DAY until the day he died. He had to be helped into some kind of prayer straps or something, I'm not Jewish, so I'm not sure what they were, but he was in his nineties at the time. He said he had only God left. In my mind, as a Christian I could not justify my belief that when he died the God he worshipped even in the midst of such horrible tradgedy would send him to hell. That opened my eyes that the way the Duggars and those like them believe is so counterproductive to a loving God that I actually pray for people like the Duggars. If I believed that way, I couldn't live with myself and would be sick to death that my neighbors, family and friends would be spending eternity in everlasting torture for simply believing what they were raised to believe. That was 35 years ago I saw that and it still sticks with me. How can they believe that Anne Frank is in hell? I doubt she converted and accepted Jesus as her personal Lord and Savior while dying in the concentration camp. It boggles the mind. ps. I am a Christian.

Anonymous said...

Back with my church, but as I understand it the teaching is the Jews were God's first people and still are special. Though it would be a good thing for them to recognize Jesus, they are still worshipping the right God and will go to Heaven if they are observant.

I should ask or read to see about Buddhists and such.

CappuccinoLife said...

"Yes they do. Everything they do or say is a matter of salvation. "

I'd like to see some evidence of that (their home site appears not to be working this evening). If they are as fundy as they're accused of being, then they believe that salvation is "by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone", or something along those lines.

They may believe that certain behavior is an outworking of love for God (obedience to him), but I have not seen any indication that they believe using birth control, or women wearing pants, keeps people out of heaven. Actually, a few posts back someone pointed out that they don't believe "being a good person" (by anyone's definition) is a ticket to heaven. And I've read and heard them specifically say that what they call "convictions" (about birth control and modesty, for instance) are purely personal, and not to be taken as their idea of what all people, or even all Christians, should be doing.

If someone made the use of birth control a point of salvation, or modesty, or any other extraneous issue, I'd be right there with you saying they are wrong. I don't believe the Duggars have ever done that, though.

That they believe that Jesus is the only way to an eternity with God is not at all unusual in Christian theology, and if you go into Christian salvation theology, you will see that it is *not* about saved people being "better" or more worthy in some way. To fundamentalists (and most other denominations in Christianity) salvation is a wholly undeserved gift, impossible to earn. To most, it is also something freely offered to every single person who ever existed, and the choice is left to each individual to accept or reject.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Sugar Booger said: "The same with Michelle's protest so soon after Josie's birth... if she feels she has a calling her personal feelings, her need to be with her baby, etc... that is of no consequence as she feels this is how she has been called to serve. Just some insigt... some might see it as selfish, and some as extremely un-selfish... all in how you look at it... "

I agree. I see her taking her time to speak up against the convience store to obtain a liquor liscense as something nobel while many did not.

Sharla said...

Stepping on soap box and putting on mod hat.

Apparently discussing religion is great fun for many, but remember your poor mods signed up to moderate a Duggar blog not a religion blog. Comments in general about fundamentalists, quiverful, etc, are really beyond our scope. Let's try to rein it into at most the Duggar's religious beliefs as portrayed on the show, in other appearances, or on their website not what some other family says or does or a broad group does. None of your mods wish to moderate a religion blog.

Also, please try to keep your comments relative to the post that they are under. This one is about the epsiode to air tomorrow night. Thus the religion talk is truly OT and out of place in this one at least until after we've seen the episode.

Thank you and now back to the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Sharla. As a Jew, it is VERY offensive for me to read someone's church thinks it would be good if we recognized Jesus! Really.

Anonymous said...

Continuing to have more kids is cute and all, but Jim Bob/Michelle are not the ones lying there struggling to breathe with a perforated bowel.
Enough is enough!

Anonymous said...

Continuing to have more kids is cute and all, but Jim Bob/Michelle are not the ones lying there struggling to breathe with a perforated bowel.
Enough is enough!
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I would agree with you if having 18 kids causes a woman to deliver a preemie, but it doesn't. Women can deliver preemies the first time around. Please do not blame the parents for causing her condition, it makes those who have had and possible lost preemies to feel guilty as it was there fault, and it most likely wasn't.

Though I do not think the Duggars should have more because their hands are very full right now, too full.I'd prefer they use their G-d given brain in addition to other organs.

Anonymous said...

I don't see anything "cute" about a couple that age continuing to have more children than they can even come close to adequately parenting.

How would they manage without TLC's money, and if the mother had to cook for, do laundry for, feed, dress, bathe, and individually interact with each of those children every day of the week?

"Cute"? What's cute about having so many children that you must use the older ones to care for the younger ones, while you spend your time making even more?

Anonymous said...

How would they manage without TLC's money, and if the mother had to cook for, do laundry for, feed, dress, bathe, and individually interact with each of those children every day of the week?

They managed just fine before TLC showed up and they'll do just fine when TLC leaves.

Also, considering that both Duggar parents are stay at home parents and the kids do not attend school or day care for 8 hours a day, they spend more time with THEIR kids than the average parents do.

Anonymous said...

As a Jew, it is VERY offensive for me to read someone's church thinks it would be good if we recognized Jesus! Really.

As a person, I am very offended at how many people get offended at the stupidest things..........

Anonymous said...

I was using the term "cute" sarcastically. I don't really believe the stated reasons they give for having more and more kids. I think it's just because they like the attention and the money. They are not thinking of the kids at this point, IMO. I do not in any way think that they are at fault for Josie's condition, and I certainly would understand if most families with preemies continue to add to their family. Michelle's age is a risk factor, though, and she is playing Russian Roulette if she keeps going.

Ollie said...

I was watching the show tonight and I had to wonder, do the Duggars do Santa Claus? Our family is also very religious so we don't do Santa Claus (or any presents) on Christmas day but our children get presents from St. Nicholas on the morning of December 5. Would even that be allowed though, or does their religion not believe in saints?
On another note, I'm glad we didn't see Josie in this episode, the last thing she needs right now is to be filmed for the viewing public. Duggars just went up slightly on my decency scale.

another RN said...

Also, considering that both Duggar parents are stay at home parents and the kids do not attend school or day care for 8 hours a day, they spend more time with THEIR kids than the average parents do.

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What is considered the average parent? How is that defined? There was a study a few years ago that showed that working moms spent only an average of 90 minutes less per WEEK less with their kids, but the time the working mothers spent was more child focused. I rarely see JB or Michelle spending significant one on one time with any of the kids (rarely, not never). I worked since my son was 6 months old, part time. As a nurse, I had a flexible schedule and he was always with my husband or me.

I believe the show and our feelings towards it, sometimes draws battle lines that don't need to be there. Not all stay at home parents spend more time with their kids, not all working parents are career focused. Not all stay at home parents are good, and neither are all working parents. I know many great and lousy parents of both ilks. Family harmony and child rearing are far more complicated than whether or not someone works. The generalizations that we all make can be very hurtful and serve no purpose other than to create strife. I am guilty of it too. JMO.

Anonymous said...

but the time the working mothers spent was more child focused.

I've been both, the working mother who's child was in school and afterschool care and the stay at home mom.

IN no uncertain terms can I state that when I got home from working and faced another 4 hours of work in the home, cooking dinner and doing laundry and overseeing homework, there is NO way that I spent MORE time of any kind with my child than a parent did who is home all day with them.

Ancient of Days said...

Yikes! In the comment I just made, I meant to address the "second" poster quoted, not the "first." Makes all the difference in the world....

Doodle said...

I personally think that the duggars do spend one on one time with their children, but they don't show it on camera. Would you really want someone shoving a camera up you face while you are havinga personal disscusion with you parents??? I know I wouldn't..

everyday people said...

Although in the past I have mocked the Duggars for their beliefs (in particular I found a lot to criticize during Josh & Anna's courtship, and their trip to the Creation Museum), I have to say that I have to admire them for living their truth. I do not believe that they wish to impose their beliefs on anyone- no, not even their immediate family in regards to the older girls' careers or lack thereof.

There is a certain peace in living your life by your own convictions, and they exude this peace. And I think there is evidence that those who know them personally think the world of them. In most documentary-style productions, interacting with the crew is a strict no-no, yet it is clear that their crew cannot help but be positively influenced by the Duggars. We've seen Jim the sound guy bring his daughter to play, and Scott the cameraman has gone out in an ice storm for diapers and now, in this episode, has taken all those beautiful photos for them as a Christmas gift. I think that really says something about who the Duggars are.

The Duggars say that they wish to be an "encouragement" to others and we have discussed here just what that means. I think it's a modest way of saying "inspiration" and I think they have succeeded in this.

When you attempt to live your truth, and that truth conflicts with the mainstream, the only way to do it and be happy is to have no expectations that others will agree with you. For example, as a vegan, if I went around trying to convince my dinner mates that they shouldn't have the chicken, I would be miserable, because it's just not realistic at this time. All I can do is be myself, answer questions truthfully, and stick to my convictions. It's up to others if they are "encouraged" or inspired or whatever by my actions. If they choose the veggie dish, I'm happy. If they don't, I'm still me, doing what I believe and happy with my choice.

This is how I see the Duggars in regards to their beliefs, and I think that those who know them personally would probably agree.

Digger said...

Just heard Josh and John saved a little girl's life. Yea to them!!!! Wahoooo!

reality bites said...

Would you really want someone shoving a camera up you face while you are havinga personal disscusion with you parents??? I know I wouldn't..
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Would you want a camera shoved in your face while recuperating from surgery while lying in your bed??? I know I wouldn't...
Would you want a camera shoved in your face, or should I say in between your legs, while giving birth??? I know I wouldn't...
Would you want a camera shoved in your face while watching and crying over your extremely sick and fragile sister??? I know I wouldn't...
I could go on all day, but I think you get the point.

Anonymous said...

Even People Magazine has JB and Michelle on the cover, with the question, of is 19 kids too many?

People are turning on the Duggars because they have brought this on themselves. Had they just stayed in Arkansas and continued delivering their litter of children, without TV cameras, no one would have cared what they did. They could be in debt, not in debt, have their kids run wild or not, have the older girls raising the younger kids, and no one with a dream, hope or aspiration of their own, and no one would have been the wiser. No one would have cared.

Now People has had them on the cover two weeks in a row. It is sounding like a nother family that brought on a lot of controversy. This is the price they paid. And you cannot put the genie back in the bottle.

Midwest Mom said...

posted by Cyn: " They have been debt free for YEARS and were BEFORE TLC showed up.... "

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The Duggars also had 5 less children then (when the original 14 Kids and Pregnant Again was aired).

More children = More money needed to support them.

Consequently, the Duggars sold their family privacy to maintain their pregnancy addiction.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I am confident that the Duggars would find a way to support all 19 children they presently have without TLC and still be debt free. Maybe they would not have everything they have now but they would no doubt be providing for their children as they always have done.

Digger said...

Yea! Josiah got work overalls for Christmas. For some reason he didn't look too happy.

Stephanie said...

Did anyone catch Anna talking about how hard it has been to take care of the little ones while JimBob and Michelle are in Little Rock? She said something along the lines of "Usually there are the older children here to take care of them - but since they are gone, it's been challenging" Of course she was much more tactful than that - but the camera showed kids just hanging off the chandeliers basically. I have 4 little ones so I know that's normal, but it struck me how much the older children really are required to do as far as raising the younger ones.

I'm not saying it's wrong per se, but Michelle definitely doesn't get her hands dirty with parenting the little ones (other than nursing) like her older children do.

Anonymous said...

If Anna's experience in trying to corral that unruly brood clarifies what parenting 19 kids is like, maybe she will revise her thinking of leaving her childbearing up to God. Maybe she will use her God given brain, and just avoid Smugger during her fertile times, so as to have a more "normal" Quiverful sized family of 8 or 10.

Anonymous said...

The thing with Anna is that she has not rasied these children from birth she was put in to it because of the birth. it is differnt if it is your own children. having 19 children just does not happen over night.

Jane in California said...

I think if TLC hadn't shown up with contract in hand, the home the Duggars would have ended up with would have been

1. Smaller
2. A lot more basic on the interior design
3. Would have taken much much longer to complete and possibly might still not have been completed at this point, but
4. They could have completed enough to move in and continue working on the rest

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I doubt that the size of the house would have been smaller being that Mr. Duggar bought two complete home steal kits at 3500 sq. feet each. The house would be 7000 feet regardless of any outside help or not.

This is most likely what would have happened if they did not get help at the end from TLC:

"4. They could have completed enough to move in and continue working on the rest"

Just for the record that is what happened even after TLC enabled them to move in their home before they had to leave the rental home they lived in between homes. The house was not completely done as they had to wait at least through one summer to install the AC.

I just do not understand why some want to make a big deal that this family would not have this home if it was not for their earnings they earn through TLC. They had this house planned and money invested and saved long before TLC. Maybe they would not have all of the furnishings but they certainly would have moved it and the house would have been the same size regardless on TLC's intervention.

Ancient of Days said...

Since the inception of this show, we've been told that the Duggars live free of debt. Have we ever seen a general itemization of how they spend their money? I'm not saying we should be privy to their bank accounts or their receipts for purchases, but I would like to know in general how they allot their expenditures; maybe they could be an "encouragement" to me in my own budgeting, though I'd never have $3,000 a month for groceries alone, and I'm a hard-working professional with a Ph.D.

How do they do it? Is being on camera when you're not professional actors really that lucrative?

Anonymous said...

How come no one is talking about the actual episode, Josie Duggar's First Christmas? I have to say it was a rotten First Christmas. Next Christmas should be MUCH better.

Cyn said...

@ancient They have posted budgets here and there, and some of it's also covered in their book.

It was a generalization as it listed just the basics.... Lights, food, gas, water and things like that. It didn't mention savings OR list a starting total.

Cyn said...

Couldn't have been THAT rotten... she lived through it which was probably in question ;)

I have to wait for it to hit reruns though to see it. OR YouTube

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I want to note here that someone mentioned that this is the last baby's first Christmas too. I do not think so. I believe baby number 18 was born before Christmas last year. I think the two babies are about a week short of being a year apart.

Ancient of Days said...

@ancient They have posted budgets here and there, and some of it's also covered in their book.

It was a generalization as it listed just the basics.... Lights, food, gas, water and things like that. It didn't mention savings OR list a starting total.
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Thanks for your reply. I've read the book only while sitting in the bookstore--couldn't afford it otherwise--and I should have guessed there'd be a budget somewhere. Still, even with the detailing you've mentioned, are we absolutely sure they've not ever been in debt? I'm not saying they've ever fabricated anything, but most of us have had emergencies in which cash payment was at least delayed for a while.

By the way, I'm glad that Josie made it through her first Christmas. I hope she gets to celebrate the holiday with great gusto in 2010!

Megan said...

I feel sorry for the older children, especially the girls. They are forced to look after their younger siblings and have no say in whether their parents have more children. The girls are basically nannies and housekeepers. I think that if the Duggar family had a run of boys first instead of girls, then the family wouldn't be so large. Without all the help, Michelle wouldn't have kept having babies.

Cyn said...

@ Ancient

I think you may have gotten the wrong impression. They are no LONGER in debt. They started their marriage in debt, they have been out of debt since they paid off their first house (I don't have the book with me and can't remember the year)I do remember Josh was little if that helps with the time line.

He attended a christian financial seminar early in their marriage and "purposed" to get and stay debt free. "owe no many anything but love" Now a few times early on they did run a Hospital debt up, but again that was early and before they got the health insurance they have today.

They have bought from that first house EVERY house and property with cash. Every car, and they have no credit card debt (not sure if they ever did).

JimBob and Michelle had the money to buy several LARGE properties (the one the house is on they bought for 250,000.00), before TLC came along. That's why several of us keep saying The Duggars will be fine if and when TLC ever goes away. They knew how to make money before TLC, and still making THAT money plus what TLC is providing, they will be perfectly fine... and would have been had they never done the show.

Ancient of Days said...

Cyn said:

I think you may have gotten the wrong impression. They are no LONGER in debt.
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Cyn, thanks once more for a clear and thoughtful explanation. I may have known this but relegated it to the murkier recesses of my brain. My excuse? I've been too busy recently pondering my own finances to draw a close bead on the money matters of others.

Ancient, who's now bursting into an off-key rendition of "Hard Times Come Again No More." Gotta love Stephen Foster sometimes!

Anonymous said...

I would have RATHER seen the house and their lives,the way they would have been,had tlc not intervened the way they did.How would Michelle have chosen to decorate it? would they have chosen the same piano,(when they could have afforded one),etc? tlc changed their clothes,their hair,and their lives...

that said,I haven't noticed the smugness (if I missed it,then pls correct me)as far as this family is concerned,about having so many kids and claiming others struggle with far fewer children..the ones who say 'OOOOOO...some ppl struggle with one or two kids,but look at US,we have 15+!!! (or however many)' Not everyone with fewer kids struggles,in fact, I'm sure that overall, they have it easier.

another RN said...

I know that the Duggars say they live debt free. I believe them for the most part, but I am not intimately familiar with the financial planning seminar they use and what exactly constitutes "debt-free". The reason I ask is that some financial planners, experts, etc., do not include mortgage debt in stating someone is debt free. I understand that the Duggars house is paid for, but what about the rental properties? Many people who invest in real estate for income will leverage one property to buy another, then another and so on. It is a fairly common business model, so I just wonder if they are including those debts. Also, they may consider those business debts, rather than family debt. How in the world could someone buy so many properties to generate income without having a salaried job? I'm not dumb, I just don't see how it is possible. Perhaps they originally had debt to purchase them and paid them off? If so, I think they should be more forthcoming with those facts. It's misleading.

Being free of credit card and car debt is one thing, but mortgage debt? That's a quite a bit tougher, especially if you live in certain areas of the country. Also, renting a home may technically make you "debt free", but in reality you still owe money every month. So that doesn't really count in my book. My brother is wealthy, but he owned a technology firm and sold it. I don't see Jim Bob having done that! My other relatives who have real estate investments have used leveraging and modest risk to build wealth over time. Is that what Jim Bob did? I am not criticizing, just curious.

misty pig said...

Megan said...
snipped I think that if the Duggar family had a run of boys first instead of girls, then the family wouldn't be so large. Without all the help, Michelle wouldn't have kept having babies.
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I saw the epsiode with Anna and Michelle shopping in a consignment store for baby supplies.

Michelle says that Jim said and Im paprphrasing that god gave them the girls first and so they were able to help with all the little boys that came along.

Swissmiss said...

The Duggars had been working on their house construction for about 3 years before TLC finally stepped in and paid for about $25,000 to get it finished.

They were also given a decorator to come up with furniture placement, etc.

I agree with some other bloggers that it's strange the younger kids have no play room apparently. They run wild in the living room and kitchen and hang from the stair case - it's scary. And how about one of the younger girls jumping down that opening in the ceiling from one bedroom to the next; she was doing that several weeks ago.

Cyn said...

@Another RN

When they say debt free they mean completely, no business, no mort on ANY property, and they do not buy land, cars, ANYTHING unless they have the money IN HAND for it. (Or on hand I don't think he walks around with thousands of dollars in his pocket)

The Jim Sammons Financial Freedom Seminar is the name of the one the Duggars attended and taught (don't know if they still do) several times. It isn't the only one that teaches you can live debt free, MORT and everything.... Dave Ramsey does as well, and Dave's book is cheaper than that seminar. :P

Anonymous said...

The show started out as a glimpse into the Duggar's somewhat quirky life..
Sadly, their life IS NOW THE SHOW.
Going to the dentist? Bring the film crew!
Wife is in a near death situation? Bring the film crew!
Micro-preemie? Get it on film!
The exploitation of the new baby is the jumping off point for me.
I got this awful feeling that Jim Bob's biggest worry is that this is the last baby for them.
No more babies - no more show.
No more show.. and JB loses his identity.. his reason for being.
But that's it for me. I was once a proud booster of the Duggars and what they seemed to stand for.
I defended them against ridicule, mockery and downright hatefulness.
But I've seen them change. And not for the better.
If I could offer Michelle and Jim Bob some heartfelt advice, it would be this..
End the show now. Take stock of the situation and get out of the public eye.
If there are contractual obligations, try and change things so you do a couple of specials a year to show how you and your family are getting along.
Make it about your family and their life again. Not about how the show has become your life.
That is a trap other reality show families have fallen into.
Anyway.. though it pains me to say this.. "Stop the bus .. this is where I get off."

Beedageeda said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...
I want to note here that someone mentioned that this is the last baby's first Christmas too. I do not think so. I believe baby number 18 was born before Christmas last year. I think the two babies are about a week short of being a year apart.

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I'm pretty sure what someone mentioned was that it was Mackynzie, the GrandDuggar's first Christmas. Yes, Jordyn, the last Duggar baby was born before Christmas 2008 so this was her second Christmas.

Kat said...

God knew He was going to bless them with so many children so He blessed them with girls to help them.

Sigh. Just...sigh. Poor girls - even their God sees them as nothing more than substitute mommies.

I'm so grateful for a husband that can and did change diapers, feed, bathe and dress babies, and take care of them without referring to it as "babysitting." THAT is a REAL man, in my world.

So now I'm curious - if God gave the Duggars so many girls early on so they could fill in for Michelle, what, exactly, were the boys good for, except future perpetuation of the Duggar name?

Anonymous said...

I also think it is odd how Michelle so clearly sees that the girls do all the work and that she couldn't run the house without them raising the kids, doing the housework and laundry, "teaching" the kids, etc.

It's surprising that she doesn't feel offended as a mother that someone is usurping her role!

Anonymous said...

How do they afford $3000 a month for groceries?

I read that they have health insurance and that it is covering the cost of Josie's care (plus presumably health care for the rest of the family). Those premiums each month must be HUGE. And insurance doesn't pay 100% of costs, they will have to pony up for 10-20% of Josie's care and that is going to be enormous.

I just wonder where their income comes from, BESIDES TLC. How were they affording three grand a month in groceries and other things before TLC?

Millie at home said...

I actually know other families with a lot fewer kids where the older kids, usually girls are responsible to do the dishes, help with the cooking, do the laundry and help with child care. Boys on the other hand seem to only have to take out the garbage, shovel snow and bring in wood for the fireplace, etc. It never seems to be equal! This is not a problem that is peculiar to the Duggars.

Another thought, we recently brought a home in Arkansas and were astounded at the low property taxes (about $250/yr for $100,000 worth of house. This will be taken care of by your homestead credit if this is your primary home. Property values are also extremely low in this state. It makes more sense that the Duggars would be able to live debt free here than say somewhere like Ca where it costs a lot more to live

Cyn said...

Re Income:
Duggars have several large commercial properties they rent out. One of them was an old chicken hatchery they turned into commercial rental units.

They have a cell phone tower on their property that pays them rent.

They buy and sell things at auctions...

They buy and sell real estate. (or at least did) When the series started they were both licensed realtors, though I don't know if they have kept that up or not.

The type of insurance they have you pay the large deductible up front, and then the insurance pays 100% of the rest... They talked about it in one of the early episodes.

I THINK it doesn't cover pregnancy if I remember right they prepay that usually. But it would have covered Josie from word go.

Anonymous said...

One thing that stood out to me while watching this episode is that the girls said several times, "Momma and Daddy aren't here to take charge and so we have to do it...it's harder without them."

This goes to show that the girls do NOT run the home, as so many people have said. They help lots, sure, but the parents are in charge.

another RN said...

@ Cyn

Thank you for the info. I am familiar with Dave Ramsey. I just wonder if the Duggars always bought everything with cash on hand early on. I know that Dave puts paying mortgage debt off farther down on the priority list, so I wonder what the other seminar teaches? Pretty amazing, really. I am not really a fan of a lot the Duggars do, but I am all about debt free!

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Regarding the girls being in charge, I think that Michelle delegates really well, her version of being in charge. However, I think the girls are the line workers in that factory!

Snap! said...

I don't think the Duggars buys used items anymore. The occasional bed for the boys maybe.
When they were opening their gifts-one of the boys held up a pair of cowboy boots that were new. They still had the store tie on them. The clothes they wear, the shoes, their sweater and coats, their cell phones, cameras and computers were not bought at a thrift store.
The episode that clearly showed they make stuff up for their show was when they showed us how they made their own detergent- have you seen their brand new appliances?
High efficiency detergent only. The older kids seem to have a hard time getting up in the morning. It must be the late hours surfing the net and watching tv- oh I mean reading the bible and the classics.
In 10-15 yrs the real story will come out. The Duggars- the real story- written by one of the kids.
It's all for the show.

Lisa said...

Homemade laundry detergent works WONDERFULLY in the new, high-efficiency machines. I know this for a fact.

As far as living debt-free, Dave Ramsey puts the mortgage farther down the list of debt to eliminate because hopefully the average person has a lower interest rate on their mortgage than their credit card/vehicle debt. He thinks you should pay off the lowest balance first then take that payment and add it to the next lowest balance, etc -"snowballing" the amount you're paying down. He also advocates to have alot of money (6 mos. of living expenses) in savings before paying off your mortgage in case you lose your job or have some kind of emergency. That said, I don't believe the Duggars are living hand to mouth. Yes, they buy new things (electronics, clothes, etc) but I bet they still shop for the lowest price regardless of the fact that they have more money to spend now with the book and show. I bought a refurbished laptop that was 1/3 the price of a store-bought one. With all of their rental properties, they probably have a significant monthly income so $3,000/mo. on food isn't that big of a deal for their size family. If they start wearing bling and dancing in the opening credits, we'll need to worry - until then, I think they have very good ideas/morals/values.

Snap! said...

My sister used a detergent that wasn't high efficency (HE) when she purchased a HE washer. It ruined her machine after a few years and it voids the warranty. Lesson learned. She purchased a new machine and now only uses HE detergent.

Cyn said...

Homemade laundry detergent works WONDERFULLY in the new, high-efficiency machines. I know this for a fact.

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Works real well in the old washers too LOL I haven't bought laundry detergent in 2 years thanks to them and my clothes are CLEANER that they used to get... go figure.

Anonymous said...

What;s wrong with dancing? I'd say showing a c-section on tv is much more immoral than dancing!

reality bites said...

One thing that stood out to me while watching this episode is that the girls said several times, "Momma and Daddy aren't here to take charge and so we have to do it...it's harder without them."

This goes to show that the girls do NOT run the home, as so many people have said. They help lots, sure, but the parents are in charge.
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I take that to mean they are reading these blogs and are making mention of the negatives and trying to put a positive spin on them. Funny they would make a mention of that when so many people are critisizing them for it.
The Gosselins did this, too.
They aren't a family, they are a television show. I still say the law should step in sometime. Doesn't anyone care about the welfare of these kids being filmed constantly. Remember the Dionne Quints who said living in a fishbowl destroyed their lives.

Jane in California said...

reality bites said:
. I still say the law should step in sometime. Doesn't anyone care about the welfare of these kids being filmed constantly. Remember the Dionne Quints who said living in a fishbowl destroyed their lives.
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Yes, there are many of us who care, and I think speaking out on blogs, especially those that have a high rate of visitors, is at least a start toward making people aware of the dangers and pitfalls of having children on reality tv shows.

I am strongly against having children on any sort of regular reality tv show whatsoever. The decision is made for them, and often it turns out to have been a very bad experience for them. They lose their childhoods. They lose their privacy. And as long as their parents have the say so, there's not a thing they can do about it.

Unless and until there are strong federal laws in place that require that children on these shows receive equal compensation, have set limits on the number of hours that can be filmed, have regular monitoring by an independent outside third party for any negative impact on them, then I completely disagree with any parents putting their children on public television for entertainment and as a way to make money. As I've said over and over again, at most an annual special.

It's very sad to me that so many people refuse to see the damage done by putting your family's private life out for public viewing. Just because the family doing so is strongly religious, doesn't make it any better.

reality bites said...

Jane in California said:

It's very sad to me that so many people refuse to see the damage done by putting your family's private life out for public viewing. Just because the family doing so is strongly religious, doesn't make it any better.
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Amen Siser!!! Thank God for people who have the sound reason to know and see how wrong all of this is.
I don't understand how the Duggars can be considered good parents when they are selling their children's most precious, private moments for the mere entertainment of others. I hope more people google the Dionne Qunits and read about how they wrote to the McCauleys (sp?) after their seven were born and begged them not to put their kids on TV. They begged the parents to learn from their life as "curiosities." I have said, I have teens and they feel so sorry for those kids. As a matter of fact a friend of my daughters came shopping with us and saw the People Magazine cover and she said, "My mom said those people are bad."

Anonymous said...

I can't wait for the tell all!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Here is a copy of the audio of
911 Call -- The Duggars Save a Life

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/04/911-call-joshua-dugger-john-michelle-jim-bob/#ixzz0ei1l1fj1



http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/04/911-call-joshua-dugger-john-michelle-jim-bob/