People Week Two






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174 comments:

Jane in California said...

So, do you agree that any publicity is good publicity? Do you think TLC believes that, so is okay with this cover headline?

At other sites where there is some discussion over the Duggars, the response seems about 75% to 80% very negative, with the remainder either very supportive or saying things like "well, it's not for me but to each his own".

I'm pretty sure that the Duggars are as polarizing in their own way as Jon and Kate are in theirs.

stopthemadness said...

Wow. People went there.

The carbon footprint of this family of 21 must be incredible and three generations from now if they all take this approach it'll be obscene, I don't care how much you shop in used clothing or do hand me downs, the consumption of natural resources is immense here. And I wonder how much their gigantic family lifestyle contributes to the fact that the kids all have to get GEDs at 16 rather than being allowed to go to a real school and esperience (gasp) Other People's Ideas. No, these kids - in particular the older girls - seem to have to sstay home because momma can't take care of all these kids and run the house on her own. No matter if you believe in 1 child, 2 children or a larger family 19 clearly is over and above their fair share and now seems to be takign its toll on baby's health as well as mothers.

Deanna said...

It is very interesting that the "G" family has gone off People's radar, and is no longer cover material. What People and the tabloids seem to capitalize on is controversy and dysfunction. Clearly, the Duggars have moved into the controversy category, because even people who used to support them (other conservative Christians) are waning in their support.

As reality TV family stars, their lives are open for the world to see, with all their foibles. Many actions that no one would pay any attention to if they weren't on TV become of much greater interest.

The family is scrutinized, their decisions put under the microscope. People feel free to comment on them, because we have been peering in their windows for years now. It really isn't at all normal, but this is the price one pays for selling ones privacy. It may seem unfair, but this really is the price one pays for "fame".

Sometimes, I feel bad for the family. They seemed so naive in the beginning, with their big hair and matching dresses, sitting around the kitchen table. I still wonder if Jim Bob realized what he was getting into, when he signed on with TLC.

Be that as it may, what's done is done. People get more critical, not less, of those in the public eye. Cover of People magazine two weeks in a row is not a good thing. It puts them right in line with all the stars they probably malign: the Brittney Spears, Miley Cyrus...yes, even Jon G. Suddenly, the family is one and same with all of those.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Jane in California, Wow, I hadn't thought of it exactly that way, but I believe you are right, that the Duggars are every bit as polarizing as the Gosselins. The reasons for the ambivalence may be different, but the ambivalence is the same. Excellent point (as always, Jane!)

Though the Duggars claim to be all about 'bringing people to the Lord,' the reality is they repel at least as many as they attract.

Mascot said...

Ohio Buckeye said:
Kids are not kernels of popcorn.
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Good line Ohio. I am in agreement.
Jim Bob is definitely another Kate Gosselin. He is a rule breaker,he will compromise the health of family(Michelle) and he will take the family places just for fame and fortune.

Ex: Took the whole kit and kaboodle to pick out a wedding dress for Michelle just as Kate took 8 children to pick put bunk beds. I think that Jim Bob should read his bible and see that it says "The love of $ is the root of all evil."

reality bites said...

It puts them right in line with all the stars they probably malign: the Brittney Spears, Miley Cyrus...yes, even Jon G. Suddenly, the family is one and same with all of those.
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Truer words were never spoken. I don't let my kids watch their show anymore. They're misleading and JMO, dishonest. After the whole Say Yes To The Dress fiasco and buying the expensive layette, I said enough is enough. Besides, I told my kids even if their own parents won't respect their children and their privacy, at least we should by not watching. We even prayed for them when we made this decision. It's none of our business to see into their young lives. I wonder if there is some conservative Christian family somewhere out there who think of the Duggars like they think of people like Miley Cyrus and J&K Gosselin and won't even tell their kids about them?

Anonymous said...

My thanks that for the second week in a row, no Gosselin is on any tabloid cover. Maybe Radaronline will quit taking Kate's phone calls soon so they won't have the usual grocery store, bus stop,etc, photos.

I saw this blog post that attempts to explain some of Michelle's possible thinking.

http://blogs.alternet.org/vyckie/2010/02/02/people-magazine-duggars-wont-rule-out-having-baby-20/

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever done the math?

Let's say they end up having 22 kids.

And let's say 20 of their 22 kids have kids (maybe two of them rebel or two of them can't or something).

And those 20 kids have an average of say 18 kids each.

They will have 360 grandchildren. Let that sink in for a second.

Let's add in the children in-law for the total Duggar Village total so far and it's:

Ma + Pa + 22 kids + 20 spouses + 360 grandchildren = 404 people.

404 people. That's three generations.

Now let's assume that 325 of their 360 grandchildren marry and have kids. Let's further assume they are all still practicing Michelle and Jim Bob's belief system (as many babies as you can, no adopting, everyone stays in the compound or on the land, etc). The 325 grandkids who have kids average 15 kids a piece (maybe fertility is declining, whatever).

They would have 4,875 great-grandchildren.

Ma + Pa + 22 kids + 20 children in laws + 360 grandchildren + 325 grandchildren in law + 4875 great-grandchildren = 5,604 people living in their now medium-sized town related to them by blood or marriage in FOUR GENERATIONS.

THAT is the long-term view they are taking. Creating their own medium-sized town.

(If you're curious, if even half of their 4875 great-grandchildren had kids and averaged "only" 8 kids a piece, that would be 19,500 great-great grandchildren.)

People get hung up on defending their carbon footprint with THIS generation, but hang on--their carbon footprint is going to be larger than the neighboring town in 40 years.

Judy said...

I know both Michelle and Jim Bob both seem like loving, wonderful, caring parents but I just don't think it's possible to give the kind of love, attention, support, and energy to nineteen individual children -- one a preemie who will likley be developmentally delayed at least for the first few years of her life -- and do them all justice.

Mascot said...

WOW I give Anonymous a A+ for math.
Good job in figuring out a potentially scary thought.

JMO, FWIW said...

'reality bites' said "I don't let my kids watch their show anymore. They're misleading and JMO, dishonest."

I agree. We stopped watching around the time they claimed to still be using their homemade laundry detergent. Um, in those new high efficiency machines? I don't think so. Michelle seemed really uneasy in that interview, btw. It seems TLC goaded her into that one. What else has she been nudged into? Let me guess - they were vying for a Tide sponsorship, like a certain other TLC reality TV star once was.

As for the original post and the latest "how many is too many" controversy. It seems that they are thriving on this negative attention, while capitalizing on it at the same time. Once again they are exploiting their family to do so, all in the name of informing and encouraging the public at large.

Well, I used to buy it, but not anymore. To each his own on how many kids you have, but the Duggars have just gone overboard lately in general, imo.

Anonymous said...

The article will be interesting to read.

I personally see the Duggar's answer of "Seeing what God has planned" as a stock answer. Even if Josie's early birth as shaken them up they might not of had time to process what it means to them by the time "Are you having more?" questions came at them.

One of my friends had four children (four births) in five years. She almost died during the last birth. Docs told her no more. If you ask her right after if she was going to have more she would of answered like the Duggars, after all it was what she felt God wanted, it was the answer that those around her would of expected. In her mind it was the only correct answer. She spent nearly a year in prayer and seeking wise counsel and decided that she was done having children. Her answer changed after she was given time to think and pray.

It might be that way for the Duggars.

Melissa said...

Poor baby.

Preemies are so sensitive to light and sound. I bet Josie hated the cameras.

M.R. said...

The past two months, I was relieved that the whole Josie thing was being kept so private. I thought to myself, "good. they're giving themselves, and most importantly, the baby, privacy so that the best possible outcome may occur." Yet, here we find out, after the People article and the recent 2 episodes, that all this time, taping was being done. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. In my opinion, I just think it's ridiculous. I had a friend who just lost a baby a few months ago, after he spent 9 months in the NICU. He never got to go home...
I just pray that little Josie will have a better outcome despite her family's insistence on broadcasting everything to the public.

Oh, and I couldn't bear to sit through the episodes. I had them dvr'd, and almost every time someone began to speak (Josh, Jill, whomever), I got so annoyed that I fast forwared through almost every scene. I just can't take it anymore. Sorry, Duggars...

OurKidsNeedUs said...

One has to wonder: Do these people have children (excuse me - BABIES) just for the sake of having babies?
It increasingly has seemed so, in the past few years.
To me, they do not seem to have learned the concept that your CHILDREN need you All 18 years of their early lives (and beyond to some extent), NOT just in babyhood.
Sad.

Midwest Mom said...

I wonder how much money the Duggars get from People Magazine for all these stories? Seriously, does anyone out there have any estimate ?

Deanna said...

Thanks for scanning the article. It was interesting to read.

I thought the "sidebar", with the comments about the dangers in big families of older siblings raising younger ones was right on.

Michelle does seem committed to Josie at the moment, but then again, she is always committed to her newest baby. Perhaps she will wait until six months after Josie's original due date in March (which would bring her to September, as opposed to June, if she went by the actual birth) before she hands her off to a buddy.

It all seems sort of sad to me, really. I wonder why Michelle can't take her health into her own hands, use her God given brain, and make the decision that attempting a pregnancy for a 20th child at age 44 is absolutely insane. It simply isn't worth the risk to her own life, when she still has piles of infants and toddlers at home who need her.

It was striking how none of the little kids were squirming or shrieking to see Michelle, kiss her, hug her, when they hadn't seen her in many days before and after the birth. 99% of kids, even abused ones sometimes, will miss their mothers desperately, and practically jump out of their skins to be with her. Not so with the young Duggars. Even Jim Bob said something like, "Kiss Mommy" and a few of the kids went over for an obligatory peck...but none of the little ones, who are the ones who generally miss their moms so much.

Kat said...

People see debt as a gift...

Really, JB? I think JB is a bit off the mark here. I think most people might see some debt (e.g., a mortgage) as a necessity, but I can't recall ever having met ANYONE of any persuasion who thought it was a "gift."

I really wonder whether he ever thinks before he speaks. So much of what he says is either just silly (see above) or contradictory (We don't feel bound by the Old Testament, but we follow it anyway).

Oy veh...

Anonymous said...

I found it interesting that Michelle said it isn't like they are going for another baby immediately, that it was going to be a year of different focus for her, which was getting Josie through her first year of life.

Hmmmm kind of makes it sound that at least part of her focus during a year is to have another baby.

I think the article took on a different tone from them, I just can't put my finger on it.

Can't See Sheep said...

Thank's for scanning the article.

Anon 6:46 PM

That math is frightening.


'reality bites' said "I don't let my kids watch their show anymore. They're misleading and JMO, dishonest."
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I agree. I put the last show on, watched 5 to 10 minutes of it & turned it off. They may not have the sense to get their kids off of TV, but I'm not going to be a part of it, I'm not going to be a blip on their Nielson count. I was curious about the whole Josie thing & how they were going to handle it, but I just couldn't watch one minute more, it's sickening. I don't understand the need to sell a child's privacy & I guess I never will, which is fine with me.

IF an actor does poorly in a sitcom they can say it was their acting, bad scripting, what have you & go home & try again at another production. These kids can't do that, this is supposed to be their lives. They can't even go home because that's where they film, the place that is supposed to be their sanctuary where they can return & revitalize themselves & go back out & face the world. There's good reason you're not to take your work home with you. Of course children shouldn't be working. Having your home invaded like this has so add some stress. It's not a matter of already having a lot of people, it's still different when those people are strangers & not family. It doesn't let you relax to the same level.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

http://www.ivillage.com/duggar-family-more-kids/1-a-84833

Maybe this article belongs in this thread.

Anonymous said...

When Michelle says - this is a year of different focus for me - getting Josie for her first year of life, it really makes it sound like the focus of other years has been to get pregnant. Anyone have a different interpretation?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"People see debt as a gift..."

Do we really know what he means by this? Maybe he thinks some people think debt is a gift in that it enables them to buy a home "now" rather than rent or have to wait years to save up. At one time I saw "debt" as something I earned after all I worked hard to be able to make the payments and kept my record clean enough to merit credit. I no longer have that idea of debt. I see it more the way the Duggars see it.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Anonymous: "I found it interesting that Michelle said it isn't like they are going for another baby immediately, that it was going to be a year of different focus for her, which was getting Josie through her first year of life..."

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Now I'm confused. Does this 'change in focus' mean that up til now they WERE 'trying for another baby immediately'?

Does it mean they will somehow help 'god's plan' along a little by actively trying not to conceive for the next year so they can devote their time and energy to Josie?

Anonymous said...

I still completely adore the Duggars, think they are a wonderful family. They are doing what's best for their family, and I commend them for that.

Ohio Buckeye said...

WHO are these people JB holds himself above, you know, the ones that consider 'debt a gift and children a burden'?

I am a card-carrying 'real world liver' and I know of NO ONE who thinks/feels as JB described - valuing debt more than children.

This seems JB's way of, once again, lumping many of us into that big 'sinner' pile - we, who have no ethics, so don't care about children or at least not as much as we care about materialistic items.

This statement is reflective of this family's disconnect with the real world and their assumption that their lifestyle is somehow morally superior.

This self righteousness is not an attitude likely to pull others toward god or religion.

The more he talks, the less I respect him.

Shawna said...

Michelle is obviously very fertile but something is very suspicious here. She has been conceiving more rapidly as she ages. For a woman in her early 40's that was also breastfeeding, she conceived Josie very, alarmingly, quickly.

Others will disagree, but I am convinced that they are intentionally trying to conceive as much as they can (for obvious reasons.. it brings the spotlight)

I wish Jim Bob would practice a little self restraint during Michelle's fertile time of the month. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out when you're ovulating. If anything, he should do it for Josie. She needs her momma (and her breast milk) for more than a measly 6-8 months. If Michelle gets pregnant while Josie is still breast feeding, I will be irate. Breast milk production goes way down when you get pregnant again. Michelle knows that.. she noticed it with Jordyn. Josie needs that breast milk more than the typical baby.

Anonymous said...

Again a magazine misses the opportunity to question them on the older kids raising the younger ones. I want to see an entire article focusing on just that issue.

The first year with Josie will be tough. They will have to keep her away from germs more than they had to with the other kids. Jordyn ended up in the hospital at one month old after catching a cold from her germy siblings. A cold for Josie could kill her.

This could also mean no more long trips for them unless they just leave Michelle and Josie at home.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob and Michelle keep saying that children are a blessing and a gift from God. But it seems to me that they really just see the 'pregnancy' and the 'baby' as the gift, and once it gets older, they are ready for their next gift/blessing. Can't they look at their house full of beautiful kids and see those blessings and appreciate them for once? John David is just as much of a blessing as Josie.. he was just born 20 years ago. Ugh! It's so frustrating to me! I wish they would just stop!

Anonymous said...

Josie will need extremely expensive ($2-3K a month) shots to prevent RSV, and will get sick extremely easily, especially in that house of little boys (who don't practice the best hygiene!).

I agree that People didn't take the opportunity to ask the questions that a lot of us would like asked. It seems as if JB and Michelle are immune to caring about what others think though, and maybe that is the only reason they can proceed without caution, while the rest of the country shakes their collective heads at the insanity.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused. If they don't plan to have a baby for a year, isn't that going against all they believe in? Isn't that up to God? How can they make that statement? If they are truly faithful to their beliefs, they would be trying like always, wouldn't they?
Also, Jim Bob, quit telling people they don't look at their children as blessings, but burdens. It's annoying. I may not have 20 kids, but I love the ones I have enough to not sell their privacy for a bag of silver pieces. I can pretty much guarantee most people feel that way about their kids because, unlike you, I respect most people and don't judge them.

Jane in California said...

As to JB's comment that supposedly some people see debt as a gift -- there is no way you can spin that comment positively in his favor.

He is being judgmental about people who don't follow his same path to "financial stability."

No one sees debt as a gift, except creditors who charge outrageous interest rates.

People are struggling in this economy. I read stories about how our middle class is vanishing. For people who choose to live within their means, including limiting the number of children they bring into the world, I commend them.

For JB to say that people who choose to remain childless, or choose to limit the number of children they bring into the world, "prefer debt" to children, is absolutely ridiculous. Sounds more like JB is getting defensive about the risks he and Michelle are taking by continuing on with having more and more children, even though Michelle's body is wearing out and they can't really raise the ones they have already (not without the great amount of help and sacrifice called for by their oldest daughters).

Let's put it this way JB: Some people value the children they have more than they value seeking further glorification by risking their wife's life in continuing to have pregnancy after pregnancy. It's a lifestyle choice JB. You choose risk and supposed glory; while most of us choose common sense and responsibility to our already existing children.

Most of us wouldn't sell out our children's childhood and privacy either. But that's just us and our "debt loving" lifestyle I guess.

Midnight Serenade said...

"Not so with the young Duggars. Even Jim Bob said something like, "Kiss Mommy" and a few of the kids went over for an obligatory peck...but none of the little ones, who are the ones who generally miss their moms so much."

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Could it be because their siblings are raising them, and they see their brothers and sisters as surrogate parents?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting the scans !

misty pig said...

Deanna said...snipped It was striking how none of the little kids were squirming or shrieking to see Michelle, kiss her, hug her, when they hadn't seen her in many days before and after the birth. 99% of kids, even abused ones sometimes, will miss their mothers esperately,............... like, "Kiss Mommy" and a few of the kids went over for an obligatory peck...but none of the little ones, who are the ones who generally miss their moms so much.
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Maybe they had met mom earlier and this was just a staged reunion?

Maybe there were told not to be careful because of the c section scar

Maybe they were a bit frightened to see their mom in a hospital gown, wheelchair,hospital setting and were a bit confused, shy

Maybe they were being directed off camera and on camera by dad

We dont know what the situation was on when the filming went on, but im sure mom loves kids and kids love mom...

Im neither a fan nor a hater, but rememeber these are very scripted and highly edited shows.

another RN said...

Ohio and Jane, I agree with both-yet again, and yet again, Jim Bob is talking foolishly! I also know of NO one who thinks debt is a gift. Where did that even come from? Does he even talk to people on any kind of adult level, or is he too busy judging them? My personal perception is that he had little real world experience during his formative years and just cannot relate to people. It seems to me that he needs everyone to compartmentalized into a nice tidy box so he can feel comfortable with himself. Human beings are diverse, and life is so much easier when a person makes assumptions and fits that person into some pre-conceived view of "with us" or "against us." Must be a nice, easy way to live. Personally, I'll take my chances with the differences and maybe learn something from another person. I dislike him more everyday and in my opinion, he may be good with money, but he's surely not too intellectual or open-minded.

Anonymous said...

I just read that quote of Jim Bob's. My husband and I have one child, a 16 year old daughter. We have no debt. We see our child as a HUGE blessing, the most wonderful, biggest blessing we will ever have in life. The only blessing that will even come close will be if we are fortunate enough to have grandchildren, either through birth or adoption (because either way, they're family).

We chose not to have any other children because we felt our family was complete with one and because we felt we could do more for one child (and not just financially but in every way) than two or three. When we had her, we were living paycheck to paycheck (though still no debt even back then) and did not think having more children would be wise.

We're very happy with our family size, it's perfect for us! I wonder what it must be like to never feel done or complete as the Duggars must feel.

Anyway, just because you feel children are a blessing, it doesn't follow that you must have as many as possible. I gaurantee you our one daughter is as much of a blessing to us as their kids.

Red Line said...

People view debt as a gift? Wow, what an 'encouraging' statement. Not judgmental at all.

The more they speak in interviews and magazine articles, the more they ruin themselves and their reputations. How could Jim Bob say such a thing without revealing a little conceit in his character? Jane in cali, I agree with you in that you just cannot spin this in his favor.

Jim Bob, you should really stop while you're ahead.

Anonymous said...

Midnight Serenade said...

"Not so with the young Duggars. Even Jim Bob said something like, "Kiss Mommy" and a few of the kids went over for an obligatory peck...but none of the little ones, who are the ones who generally miss their moms so much."

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What he said was "you can kiss mommy", leading me to think along the lines of the poster who said they were told to be careful of the scar. I would have assumed the younger ones were told over and over "be careful with mommy" You hear Jim Bob and or one of the older kids telling the younger ones to "be easy with the belly"...

The first ones I saw head toward mommy were the smaller children.

Marybeth said...

How many children you have truly is in G-d's hands. My husband and I also leave it up to G-d. We don't use birth control and would love more children. Unlike the Duggars, however, we only have 1. You just never know what G-d has in store for you.

Personally, I don't think they try to get pregnant, I think they just do. If you actually watch the show and see those two together, the way they look at each other, it's like they are teenagers. Not just Michelle at JimBob, but JimBob at Michelle. The are still truly head over heels after 25 years and THAT is why they have 19 kids.

Can't See Sheep said...

another RN said...
Ohio and Jane, I agree with both-yet again, and yet again, Jim Bob is talking foolishly! I also know of NO one who thinks debt is a gift.
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I agree with all three of you as usual, surprise, surprise. :) I'm glad you all posted first, you've said it so much better than I. How nice of him to walk his ignorance out & trot it around for everyone to see. I don't know anyone that thinks of debt in a positive light. If you look for sin everywhere & in everything then you will see it, much the same for goodness. I really wish these groups & people would learn that you are always going to reach more people with love than you will with scorn.

Deanna said...

I think we all agree that Jim Bob and Michelle still seem quite in love and crazy about each other after all their years of marriage (who could miss it, with their absolutely constant PDA?).

However, for a woman in her 40's to conceive every year, they have to really be working at it. Maybe they simply have sex every night, which is their prerogative, but there is no way that Michelle isn't aware of her "fertile" times, and that she and Jim Bob don't make the best efforts to capitalize on them.

It's no more God's will that Josie is alive today, than it is God's will that JB and Michelle have 19 kids and counting. There is a lot of human intervention in both cases.

Judy said...

re:The comment Michelle made about a "different year of focus" -- I wonder if she has been told that an infant THAT premature will probably need a whole lot more than one year to catch up and get healthy.

another RN said...

I sincerely appreciate that so many people try to find other ways to explain what we see. IMO, it's important to attempt to consider all angles. I think everyone knows that magazine articles and television are only a tiny fraction of what really happens. However, is it possible that maybe Jim Bob really is kind of arrogant and ignorant? Maybe the Duggars over did it and their kids will have emotional issues and maybe he does think he is better than everyone else. I personally think that is the case. He reminds me so much of the locals I met who were sanctimoniously pious, had all the answers and had little to no tolerance for anyone unless they were a part of their church, or, more importantly; someone they could potentially "witness". If that were the case, suddenly they were sweet, tolerant and helpful. Otherwise, I personally found them insufferable and rude. Just my personal experience.

Midwest Mom said...

Why would the children be frightened to see their mother in a wheelchair, hospital gown, or hospital? After all, she's at a hospital once a year having a baby. The other children always visit her in the hospital after a birth, not to mention the family outings for sonograms. Duggar Children afraid to see Michelle in the hospital? I don't think so, by visual evidence in prior episodes.

Anonymous said...

Marybeth, sometimes I think about couples struggling with infertility and how they must feel every time Michelle and Jim Bob announce with their enormous brood and their smiling beatific faces that they're expecting another! And they're so surprised and thrilled!

It must be like a punch in the gut, especially when you add in the stuff about how they believe God must WANT them to have all these kids.

An infertile couple, if they felt the same way, would have to conclude that God didn't think they were good enough people to have any children. That God had forsaken them.

Anonymous said...

1. When a person who has lots of bills to pay, and not enough money, receives a credit card offer in the mail, they might see that as a blessing. I think that is what he was trying to say. I know because I have been there. It was only after much reading and analysis that I realized it is not. Even if you can pay your bills on time, for 5-6 or even 30yrs you will be giving money away. I wanted things now and did not want to wait. I think that it is admirable that they are instilling that, not only in their children, but to all of us who watch.

2. As far as no birth control, lots of people I know practice this as a form of their faith. Like the other poster, several only have 1-2 children. Even if the Duggars pratice this, I don't believe they set out to have 20+ kids. Also, they had no reason to stop before. All of their children have been healthy.

Just my thoughts...

Anonymous said...

I think the way act like teenagers is actually embarrassing. At some point you have to grow up and become an adult.

I have been married to my husband for almost 24 years and dated him for nearly 5 years before that. I love him more than the day I married him, but we have three children.

Michelle pretty much said that she does at some point focus on having another child.

Cyn said...

(sorry I meant to put it here and missed)

Normal Duggar Birth:
1) Mom gets big stomach, we go watch the baby on a black and white TV, then Mom and a couple of the Girls and Daddy go to the hospital and we get new baby. We go see mom in a few hours or the next day and greet new addition. Mom comes home in 2-3 days at most (sometimes faster) small bump in the family routine.

This Duggar Birth:
1)Mom gets sick, Dad and mom rush to hospital (do we know if Jim Bob drove her or if she went in an ambulance to the first hospital?), a few days later all the older buddies leave the house as well, leaving the younger children with just G’ma, Josh, Anna, and family friend during the day (dunno if she was there of a night or not). Routines they had are completely shot.

2)Baby and Mommy do not come home right away, instead the entire family changes houses, older kids come back home but now there are more adults “acting strange” (crying, talking about mommy, praying more about mommy), Instead of visiting mommy in her hospital bed they are taken to a room with tables and chairs, Mommy isn’t holding a baby and showing it off to them, they have probably been told to be real careful with Michelle… to the point that JimBob says you CAN kiss mommy and the way he stressed “can” told me that the kids weren’t sure what they could and couldn’t do, the younger ones looked to the older ones to see what to do.

Nothing about THIS Duggar birth was normal, so why should the children act as they normally would after Michelle gives birth?

Cyn said...

Deanna said...
However, for a woman in her 40's to conceive every year, they have to really be working at it. Maybe they simply have sex every night, which is their prerogative, but there is no way that Michelle isn't aware of her "fertile" times, and that she and Jim Bob don't make the best efforts to capitalize on them.

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For a average woman I would agree, obviously though Michelle is quite fertile OR JimBob is OR both. I seriously doubt even Michelle tried to get pregnant that soon after the last one. And the way Michelle kept talking during the preg before this one she honestly was thinking she was done. Do they AVOID her fertile day don't know and don't WANT to know thanks just the same (conceived on F'day was TMI)

Are they trying to hit those fertile days JUST to have another child... That goes completely against what they have said all along ... LETTING GOD DECIDE
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It's no more God's will that Josie is alive today, than it is God's will that JB and Michelle have 19 kids and counting. There is a lot of human intervention in both cases.

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That's a matter of opinion. Not being God I can't tell you what His will is in the Duggars lives. God has been using human intervention since Adam and Eve. Doesn't negate this being His will. Doesn't mean it IS either to be fair.

Ollie said...

Personally, I don't think they try to get pregnant, I think they just do. If you actually watch the show and see those two together, the way they look at each other, it's like they are teenagers. Not just Michelle at JimBob, but JimBob at Michelle. The are still truly head over heels after 25 years and THAT is why they have 19 kids.
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I'm not saying they're not in love, obviously no one but the two of them really know the true story, but I think sometimes they put it on for the cameras. In a lot of ways they remind me of teenagers with their first bf/gf who want everyone to know how "mature" and "in love" they are so they are constantly all over each other.
Maybe I'm biased, but my husband and I never behaved like this, before or after our marriage. In fact, there is no couple I know in real life who behaves like this, excepting maybe a few teenage couples.
Michelle and Jim Bob's constant PDA, along with some other instances (the father's day reference comes to mind) is the main reason we no longer allow our children to watch the program. There's nothing wrong with it per se, I just don't want my children to think that it's an appropriate way to behave.

Joanna said...

To me it's not about the number of children Michelle and Jim Bob have anymore or weather or not they can parent another one. To me, it's the health risks for Michelle. If they had adopted all 19 of these children or more (a few couples have adopted as many as 30), we'd be thinking and saying different things.

Personally, I don't see how anybody can see dept as a gift.

another RN said...

I would still like to know how Jim Bob knows what people are thinking, i.e.; "People think debt is a gift..." Really, how does he know what my husband is thinking or my neighbor, or whoever? How many people does he know REALLY well outside of his apparently isolated social community? They have shunned the "mainstream", so what is he basing his statement on? From my point of view, this is just yet another manifestation of his fragile ego that needs to pigeon hole, judge and define other people in order to justify himself. Why must he always point out what "other" people do and then show how he is somehow superior?

His exclusionary rhetoric is very ironic to me, particularly considering his proclamations of being a C-tian. The "us vs. them" mentality reminds me of the old propaganda posters from the Cold War. Instill fear and a sense of superiority in people, and they will follow. Ah, the human condition...

Anonymous said...

Personally, it's not the number of kids for me...it is their choice...however being from a large family and raising a few children myself I just couldn't possibly imagine being able to live up to my own expectations of how much time and focus I as a parent feel is necessary to be an effective loving and nurturing parent with that many kids. And also imo it's not really fair to the older siblings to be providing so much of the parenting role (even just the menial role)...that's not fair to them either. There's only so many hours in a day someone can divide their time up.

No the other issues that are important to me are Michelle's health and the risk to her own life at this time here if she were to get pregnant again. Secondly but equally important, those children really have no say in the matter or rights having the camera's invade their privacy. Michelle and JimBob are subjecting them to this voyeurism for some during what I believe shoud be some very private, intimate times for them and the family. I couldn't imagine having my wisdom teeth out and having how miserable I was afterword on tv for the whole world to watch and witness. How could these parents do that to these kids. And before someone says they agreed to it, well maybe they're taught they can't disobey their parents or feel they'd disappoint their parents if they refused...it's just not right. Please stop exploiting the kids for money ...and I'd say that for any of these "reality" show families these days. IMO,It's just not right.

Anonymous said...

Being a couple who struggled with Infertility for a decade, I never looked at the Duggars and felt God favored them (blessed them) instead of me. My faith is not that shallow. I believe God blesses His followers in His time and in His way. We were blessed for many years and in many ways without children.

When I see the Duggars, I think that they are richly blessed with beautiful, healthy children. With my husband being in ministry, I know how hard it is to live your faith with everyone watching. I see the Duggars walking in their faith in front of a very synical world. I think they will continue to leave their fertility up to God. If they believe it's God's will, then they will do nothing to prevent any furture pregnancies.

Nancy said...

If they had adopted 19 kids I would still be questioning whether they have time to actually parent them. If they adopted 19 kids and had the girls doing the majority of the actual work I would still be disgusted. I think the only thing that would be different would be whether we were worrying about another baby ending up in danger for its life due to the situation. (and for Michelle's health as you stated. I would still find them to be just as bad as the Gosselins for exposing their children in this way.

reality bites said...

I see the Duggars walking in their faith in front of a very synical world.
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This comment is degrading to all the people who may not follow the Duggars lifestyle, and even find what they are doing to their children terribly wrong and selfish. I think the majority of the people making comments here are good people, living good lives and loving however many children they have, They're simply tired of being told how much better the Duggars do everything, when clearly they don't.

Anonymous said...

If the Duggars believe in God's will, then JimBob won't grieve for the loss of his wife when she dies from yet another difficult pregnancy and he is left a widower with 19 children. JB will just jump right in there and raise those children himself, right? Ummmm...no.

Amanda said...

Anonymous @ 8:04 AM said

An infertile couple, if they felt the same way, would have to conclude that God didn't think they were good enough people to have any children. That God had forsaken them.

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Not having any children I use to feel like God had forsaken us. It was a long struggle to overcome that feeling. My husband and I are now blessed to be involved with the kids at church and our nieces and nephews and friends kids. we have concluded that we have touched many more lives with out children than if we had children.

I feel very blessed and generally LOVE my life. I have been told that my husband and I aren't a real family by a couple who had five kids. I sometimes think that the Duggars feel this way..no kids no family. We are a family, but our family includes people who aren't related to us by blood but love us like family.

Deanna said...

I do find Michelle and Jim Bob's constant PDA, touching, kissing, holding hands to be anything but cute. It seems staged, #1 (they don't do this in the first episodes), and #2, while they are smooching, they are ignoring all of the results of their affection (their giant brood of kids).

I still can't stand how the older girls carry the children, or push them in strollers, while their parents walk ahead, oblivious to the whole mess. I have never seen parents this neglectful, particularly in big cities (which little boy was left on the street in NYC, and which sister comforted him---it wasn't his mother!). Most conscientious parents make sure they are holding a child in each hand, and that child is connected to the rest, particularly in those situations. The G family always was very careful about keeping an eye on their kids.

It always occurs to me that Michelle is simply more interested in getting and being pregnant. She really expresses no interest in a single one of her children once they are over six months old. It's very sad, actually. Maybe Josie will be the one who will actually get her mother's attention.

no-bones-about-it said...

Ok, so who is really watching the younger children when Michelle & Jimbob are at the hospital and the older girls are volenteering at a soup kitchen and Josh & John-David are at the car lot? And why do the kids need a daily up-date on Josie when everyday is basicly the same? I think Michelle is addicted to pregnancy, and they use God to hide behind. Most women I knew & know were glad when they were not pregnant. I would not be surprised that when Josie is 6 months old Michelle will be pregnant again. Since the article says that the baby might be go home in a month. I don't think that baby will be going home for at least another 2-3 months , when Josie weighs about 5 lbs and is not attached to any medical things. JMO

*~*Nicole*~* said...

This may be slightly in the wrong thread but did anyone notice in the Josie debut episode that Michelle kept saying her "babies" and "little ones" were being cared for? The older ones were in another country without their parents. I'm 24 years old and when I was a teenager I wouldn't have wanted to go to a Third World country without a parent! But Michelle was only concerned about the babies...or so it seemed. And in the People article she made it sound like they aren't going to try for another baby soon...which means all this time they have, indeed, been trying [hard] to get pregnant rather than just not using contraception. As many posters have said before, a lot of Quiverfull believing families only have a few children. I, myself, haven't used birth control ever, and in 8 years I've only had 2 kids.

Sandra said...

Does anyone see how ridiculous it is that TLC reality families make up the majority of magazine covers?? absurd!!

It used to be young spoiled celebrity girls!! (if that wasn't bad enough!)

These families are being used to generate money for TLC and their buddies (photographers, mags, websites, et al)

Amanda said...

Deanna said...

I do find Michelle and Jim Bob's constant PDA, touching, kissing, holding hands to be anything but cute. It seems staged, #1 (they don't do this in the first episodes), and #2, while they are smooching, they are ignoring all of the results of their affection (their giant brood of kids).
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Not being a mom I know I don't have experience but...

Whenever I take kids anywhere I constantly count them. I have been to church camp and I counted kids from the time I got up (first) till I went to sleep (last) I always knew where the kids were and if they had eaten and went to rec and had their Bibles with them, etc. In public I am usually behind the kids I'm with so I can keep my eye on them. If I don't see a kid I look for them until I see them.

Let me state again I am NOT a mom so I know I don't have any experience with kids.

Anonymous said...

I just read the People article. Reading that the Duggars are open to more pregnancies really stunned me. Jim Bob and Michelle don't realize how it will be to take a preemie home. They are in for a shock.

My grandchildren's home care was quite intensive. The first two were sent home about the time that they were due. Both were almost 5 lbs. at that time, but still very weak. It took almost an hour to feed one of them 2 ounces of formula, and the feedings had to be done every 3 1/2 hours. That was an eye-opener of how different a preemie is when compared to a full-termer. That got better as they gained weight and strength.

The toughest thing was getting used to all the medical equipment. They were all sent home on oxygen. All the babies had to wear apnea monitors since preemies stop breathing and get slow heartbeats at times. All of them had to have breathing treatments with nebulizers as most preemies have a lung condition known as bronchopulmonary dysplasia; their lungs do heal with time but it takes quite a while. My daughter also had a pulse oxymeter for measuring the oxygen saturation in the blood as she was responsible for weaning them off oxygen as they got stronger.

The last two children were sent home two and three months later. Both of them had very bad reflux, which plagues many preemies. Both required Nissen fundoplication surgery, and one child had a feeding tube surgically placed. The GT tube was another thing to adjust to along with the kangaroo pump that controlled the feedings.

Taking a full-term baby home is a walk in the park when compared to taking a preemie home. It is a joy to take them home and a reason for celebration, but it was also difficult, and left us feeling that we had gotten a crash course in pediatric nursing.

Josie will need all the care and attention that Michelle and Jim Bob can provide, and then some. Talking about the possibility of more pregnancies after this life-altering experience is beyond ridiculous and almost obscene.

Snap! said...

Nicole- I think we all forget that John David and Jana are 20. They all seem younger because they are so sheltered. They are certainly old enough to travel and watch their siblings who are 16-17-18.
I have a son that just turned 18, I would feel comfortable with him travelling without me in 2 years.
He already lives in residence!
I'm sure they were part of a bigger group that included adults.

Cyn said...

One thought no one has brought up.

The Duggars were ASKED the question in some form "are you going to have another one?" Michelle answered a lot more politely than I would have with "That's not our focus right now"

Some how I do not think another pregnancy is at the TOP of their list right now, nor had even the thought of "oo lets make baby 20 before we get 19 home"... Jmo

The Duggars are going through a very stressful, emotional time with the day to day wonder of "how will Josie be today" and "people" are asking them "Are you going to have another one?"

She knows her answer it is going to TICK a bunch of people off, but What is she supposed to say? Something like "Oh We've changed out minds and God shouldn't be in control any more so we are stopping with Josie??"

When ASKED the question they give the same basic response they have always given; to do anything else would be HYPOCRISY.

Melissa said...

Midwest Mom said...

I wonder how much money the Duggars get from People Magazine for all these stories? Seriously, does anyone out there have any estimate ?

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Well, I equate it to whatever other celebrities out there make for first time baby pictures. I'd venture at least $100,000, if not more. High profile people like Angelina Josie and Katie Holmes fetch around 1mil...*shrug* People pays fairly well. Six digits at least.

Can't See Sheep said...

Sandra said...

Does anyone see how ridiculous it is that TLC reality families make up the majority of magazine covers?? absurd!!
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TLC is making as much off of them while they're a "hot" item, they know it doesn't last forever so they have to cash in while they can. I'm wondering how many families TLC is going to go through before laws are made that at least keep the kids in these families from being preyed on. I don't see JB & Michelle being divorced, but I see them as being different by the time all of this has run it's course. Who knows, once TLC has used them & cast them aside maybe they'll be out telling everyone about the evils of TLC.

*~*Nicole*~* said...
I'm 24 years old and when I was a teenager I wouldn't have wanted to go to a Third World country without a parent!
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strangely enough, I don't believe these Duggars were in a third world country on their own & I'll explain why. I had friends who were from different religions & their churches & whatnot would send youth groups to Third world countries to do things like volunteer work & such I'm not sure if the group the Duggars are with do this, but it's a possibility. It was usually the same country each time, a country that their church had missionaries in, stuff like that, they were never sent in blind. The Duggars could have been a part of something like this. You're usually there with people who are leaders of the group in their late twenties, early thirties.

Cyn said...

Can't See Sheep said...strangely enough, I don't believe these Duggars were in a third world country on their own & I'll explain why. I had friends who were from different religions & their churches & whatnot would send youth groups to Third world countries to do things like volunteer work & such I'm not sure if the group the Duggars are with do this, but it's a possibility. It was usually the same country each time, a country that their church had missionaries in, stuff like that, they were never sent in blind. The Duggars could have been a part of something like this. You're usually there with people who are leaders of the group in their late twenties, early thirties.
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They were with the same missionary team that they are always with, and have been dealing with for at least the last 5+ years. The family knows the lead missionary I just don't remember from where.

pumpkin said...

*~*Nicole*~* said...
I'm 24 years old and when I was a teenager I wouldn't have wanted to go to a Third World country without a parent!
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Mr. Schott (sp?) was there to collect them and there seemed to be other young people there as well who were not part of the Duggar group. It's not like they had to figure out transportation and food and lodging on their own.

When I was 22, I accepted a job teaching ESL in a third world country and I moved there for a year, totally on my own. Was it scary to step of the airplane and realize not one person spoke a word of English and nobody looked like me? Heck Yes it was. Did I learn from the experience and become a stronger, independent woman who could overcome adversity? Again - heck yes.

To each their own. I think it was probably a great learning experience and personal growth opportunity for the Duggars.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The Duggars had adult supervision and the presence of an adult male that Jim Bob trusted. It was spoken about in the show.

Kara said...

I was actually really happy to see the older kids go on the mission trip alone. In college, we have student led mission trips to third world countries all the time and hundreds of us go. It's a normal experience to go somewhere new once you are 18. They need to realize that they CAN be independent without their parents or a spouse.

Can't See Sheep said...

Cyn said...
They were with the same missionary team that they are always with, and have been dealing with for at least the last 5+ years. The family knows the lead missionary I just don't remember from where.
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Thanks Cyn, I figured it was something like that. I didn't think they'd be off on their own in a strange country.

Midwest Mom said...

Thanks to the commenter for the dollar figures on what People Magazine pays for photos/cover shots/stories.

Six figures, so that's JimBob's price for the privacy of his preemie daughter.

The fact they accept the big bucks makes them no different than another reality family we all know.

Jane in California said...

Midwest Mom said:

The fact they accept the big bucks makes them no different than another reality family we all know.
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In my family, we call it money grubbing.

Sharla said...

Again, Examiner.com is not a reputable news source. It is a collection of private internet writers.

doggie said...

Can't See Sheep said...

Thanks Cyn, I figured it was something like that. I didn't think they'd be off on their own in a strange country.
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they can't go to the store on their own. so I can't imagine a trip.

Kelly said...

How can the Duggars be so sure that insurance is going to cover Josie's costs? Does their policy not have a lifetime cap? Is it possible that certain medical costs won't be allowed (especially when Josie gets home)? I am not saying they don't have the money to cover the costs, but I always wonder how they can be so sure insurance will cover the costs. They are famous, so maybe an insurance company won't do to the Duggars what the insurance company would do to the average family . . . like deny claims, rescind the policy.

Anonymous said...

When people question how much time the Duggars get to spend with their children, you have to remember two things: they work from their home, and they homeschool. I'm a public school teacher, and on an average day, my students are away from their families from 7am to 3:30pm, not including any afterschool activities. Homeschooling families have those extra 8.5 hours a day with their kids. Yes, it's still split up amongst 18 children, but there are more hours in the day. I have many days where I spend more time with other people's children than I spend with my own...

doggie said...

even though they are home it dos not seem they spend that much time with the older kids. the older kids seem to spend more time with the kids then mom and dad do. though since Michelle does not do much of any housework you would think she had the time.

CappuccinoLife said...

"I'm 24 years old and when I was a teenager I wouldn't have wanted to go to a Third World country without a parent!"

The Duggar kids worked with an established missionary who was a close family friend, they were obviously comfortable with that. They also weren't alone, but went as a sibling group. And this was not their first trip to that country.

I went to a third world country right after I graduated highschool at 17. Stayed with a missionary family who my parents knew. Best and most momentous experience of my life. Talk about real-world education and broadening one's perspective.

CappuccinoLife said...

"even though they are home it dos not seem they spend that much time with the older kids. the older kids seem to spend more time with the kids then mom and dad do. though since Michelle does not do much of any housework you would think she had the time."

But that is all assumption based on seeing 30 edited minutes of their life per week, much of which does not actually show their daily life, but trips etc.

In a household where there are numerous capable teens and adults working together, and children being taught how to help, the time any one person has to spend on housework is minimal.

Apart from that, I have quite often seen Michelle engaged in some house-work related activity, along with her kids, or on her own. Of course they don't show long segments of that, they don't show long segments of the kids working either. They're not going to show 30 minutes of washing the floors or scrubbing toilets.

roddma said...

"Well, I equate it to whatever other celebrities out there make for first time baby pictures. I'd venture at least $100,000, if not more. High profile people like Angelina Josie and Katie Holmes fetch around 1mil...*shrug* People pays fairly well. Six digits at least."

currentLynn Spears a cool $1000000 for pics of aby Maddie in 2008. It depends on how high profile the celeb is I guess.

I dont beleive the Duggars keep having children because of TLC After all they already had like 13 when the specials started. This is not saying they should stop but there s nothing wrong in using commmon sense either. I hope the Duggars use it but I cant make decisions for them. Sometimes we must take a break and evaluate our beliefs and choices. Even so,The Duggars have lost many ATI supporters because they beleive Dugars steered away from their 'true mission'.

*~*Nicole*~* said...

I do forget that Jana and John-David are 20 years old. But as a mother who is/was immobilized in a hospital and my spouse caring for the other children (with help), I'm just not sure if I would be OK with sending the other ones to El Salvador. Maybe I'm just super overprotective ;) I understand they had been looking forward to it, however, circumstances change...I don't know.

Anonymous said...

the duggars have mentioned that one reason they refuse birthcontrol is that they saw a miscarriage as a sign from God. I wonder why they haven't viewed Josie's dangerous birth as a "sign". I guess they are selective on choosing thier "signs".

Amy said...

This is my first time ever commenting on one of these sites, but I am just struck by the Duggars. And not in a good way. I am not sure how the older girls feel about taking care of their younger siblings, but I know that I resented it. My brother is 12yrs younger than me, and yes, I was used as an "automatic babysitter" a lot. I fed him, changed him, dressed him, and all that 5 days a week during my entire summers. My parents worked, so part of me understood, but I still had to give up 90% of my summer to care for him. I hated it.

Another thing. Our financial stability was rocked when my youngest son was diagnosed with autism. He is severe. We have been to nutritionists, gastroenterologists, neurologists, and many therapists. He gets 10-12 hours a week with a one-one tutor, goes to SPED kindy 5 days a week, and is currently on a waiting list for OT and Speech. Insurance covers a lot of it, but he is going to need this amount of support for YEARS to come. He has done a lot of damage to our previous house-which we had to pay for. He requires constant attention. And he was a full-term baby. Little Josie is at serious risk for having such disabilities. Things that may not show up until 2yrs from now. If she has a brain bleed-they will not know the outcome of that until she gets older. She may have a host of complications that will not present themselves until months down the road. To be even THINKING about another child right now just shows that they do not comprehend this. Sorry JB, you will eventually go into debt with a child who is disabled. Just ask a few of us 'sinners'. Walk a mile in OUR shoes and see if you could hack it.

reality bites said...

I was thinking about the Duggars this morning at Mass. I saw hundred of families with kids. All were being hugged, cuddled, rocked, reprimended, shushed. A few crying babies, tired moms and dads. Brothers poking sisters and vice versa. We have families as large as 12 kids on down. A few quiverfuls.
If they went into every church of every domination in their city, they'd see the same thing. What I was seeing was happening in millions of other churches in the world. And even the ones not in church were home lovin on their kids, cooking for them, cleaning up after them, guiding them in their own ways.
Why do the Duggars feel they have a monopoly on family, kids and righteouness?
I didn't see one person who loved debt and considered their kids a burden. Wow!
That comment still amazes me.

Anonymous said...

Even so,The Duggars have lost many ATI supporters because they beleive Dugars steered away from their 'true mission'.

Really? What was their true mission?

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Reality Bites: BINGO! Well said! Not exaclty the picture of humility for the Duggars to assume THEY have the corner on the morality market!

luvmybabies said...

Is it a possibility that the Duggars being on TV may actually be a good thing? Is it possible that JB and M pray about it and feel led by the Lord to continue to allow their family to be filmed? That their publicity is a personal ministry they've been called to?

The reason I ask this is because I know that personally, the Duggars have been a blessing to me and my family. This doesn't mean I think they're perfect and that everything they do I agree with 100%. I don't. But this doesn't bother me...I don't expect them to do everything the way I would do it any more than I expect anyone else to do things my way. But this family is undeniably gifted in some areas that amaze and inspire me, and I learn from them. They have managed to teach their children to be unselfish, considerate, and responsible, with strong testimonies. Michelle and JimBob treat each child with respect, kindness, and patience. The children even treat each other with respect. This blows me away.

JimBob was stocking groceries at a supermarket early in their marriage when they decided to do as they felt God wanted them to and have all these children and go debt-free to boot. The fact that they were able to do this, without gov't assistance while having children into the double digits (well before TLC income was on the horizon) is nothing less than a miracle. While I only partially agree with JimBob's debt/children comment in People magazine, the man absolutely knows something about debt and children - he's earned it. I don't know of anything the Duggars have done in their past that looks like money-grubbing. It's unlikely that JimBob & Michelle kept having kids in hopes they'd be famous for it and earn some bucks that way. The Bates are inspiring to me also for similar reasons.

It doesn't really have anything to do with the number of children they have, it's how they treat each other and how they live that does indeed encourage me and shows me that hard things can be done. This is why I watch them and read their book. Not because they are a "freak show" and I want to be entertained. I felt like this was more the case with the Gosselins.

Comparing them to the plight of the Dionne quints isn't terribly accurate. Each of the Duggar children are aware they're different by virtue of being part of such a huge family, but it's apparent that they are each very proud to be a Duggar and proud of who they are. JimBob and Michelle say in their book that the reason they chose to do the show is to share their belief that children are a blessing even in large numbers and to share their faith. They have done that. Isn't is possible that they, including the children, view the show as a way to share these beliefs? Put simply, they feel it is a service ministry, and for me, and maybe others like me, it is. I am grateful that they allow the cameras into their home and lives so I can be inspired.


I've known families that have been called to serve fulltime missions in foreign countries and unfavorable circumstances, while their children were still small. It was hard on the kids, but they made it through because their family was strong and they worked through it together. The Duggars are nothing if not a strong family, so I'm inclined to believe their children will be fine also. Only time will tell.

We don't know exactly what their motives are and what they are thinking.

reality bites said...

Isn't is possible that they, including the children, view the show as a way to share these beliefs? Put simply, they feel it is a service ministry, and for me, and maybe others like me, it is. I am grateful that they allow the cameras into their home and lives so I can be inspired.

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The Dionne Quints are a perfect example of exploiting children and that's what the Duggars are doing to their kids. I've found inspiration in many things. But, to be inspired watching two sick girls in the privacy of their own bedroom. To see a little girl, puking, with no mama around. Private moments, such as births and funerals, ultrasounds and seeing your sick, tiny baby sister for the first time.
If Jim Bob and Michelle want to minister to us, obviously selfish Americans, and show us it's possible to hate debt and love children, fine. But, PLEASE TAKE THOSE INNOCENT CHILDREN OFF THE AIR!!!!Give them a REAL home. Not a television studio. They are not on this earth to entertain/inspire you. They are kids and should be being entertained and inspired themselves. If they so choose when they are of age, fine... But please try to remember these are children. The Duggars are no different than the parents on Toddlers with Tiara's. PS. If they gave all their money to charity, it would prove they are doing it all for God. But, they arent.

Deanna said...

I think the Duggars are strong in some ways too.

However, I do not see that they treat everyone with kindness and respect, even their own siblings. I have seen lots of pushing, shoving, grabbing. I even saw one of the little boys stepping on Johanna's back. This didn't seem kind to me.

I also have not seen respect towards people of different beliefs or customs, whether it is dancing, eating of exotic foods, different type of dress (including sleeveless tops or wedding dresses that show cleavages). We have seen condescension from Jim Bob about how other people prefer debt to children (in what universe does anyone prefer debt to children?!).

I have never felt motivated or inspired by the Duggars. I am not inspired in the slightest by their lack of education or interest in learning. I am FAR more inspired by people who have managed to overcome huge hurdles, such as poverty, and become well educated contributors in the world.

I watch the Duggars because I am anxious to see what will happen with the older kids, and hopeful that they will have a chance to realize some dreams or a different future.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Perhaps sending the kids or going through the plans of sending the kids to El Salvador was because they trusted God that everything will be ok. To keep them behind meant that a lot of the work they planned to do there would go undone. Being this family seeks to serve others they sent their chidren there to help the horricane people and to take the items to the orphanage.

It ended up being ok. The little ones were taken care of by Grandma and Josh and Ana and The parents were taken care of in the hospital while the older ones served a foreign community and were supervised by a friend of Mr. Duggar.

OhMy said...

JB and M seem to be better babymakers than parents. If they feel they are doing God's work (whatever that may be) then that is fine, but they need to think of their children.

Jane in California said...

Since the older adult siblings apparently went along on the charitable trip out of the country, then I think it was fairly okay of the Duggars not to cancel the trip. In their shoes, I probably would have handled it differently.

I'd have kept the younger of those children at home. I would have asked family and friends to either come spend time at the home to help supervise, or perhaps split them up, two going to one relative's house, two going to another, etc.

Those younger children are definitely lacking in some important indoor behaviors that are stressed in my house, such as using an indoor voice, no running around like a banshee, treat the house and furnishings with respect, but most importantly, treat your siblings with respect. No manhandling or hitting is ever okay in my house and if it occurs, is dealt with swiftly.

I don't see that as far as the younger children. They seem to run wild, or if gently reprimanded, obviously don't take it seriously as they just repeat the behavior later.

JB and Michelle may say they can handle that many kids, but from what I've seen, I can't agree.

Cyn said...

If they gave all their money to charity, it would prove they are doing it all for God. But, they arent.

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Do we know they aren't? giving some of it or more than they were because they have more?

The first time we see them going on the mission trip Josh talks about it being his 3rd year. But the rest of the kids are acting and talking like it's their first time. Michelle was talking about it too as though it was a first... First time they could send more of the kids? Send Dad too? Send more items?... yes we can see where they have more money to spend on themselves, but giving to charity would be kept quiet about and it would be more personal with the Duggars... They would, do, and have in the past, helped widows and their families in their area. (different things they have said and we have seen done)

WHO paid for the Bates rebuild... It started as JimBob's idea and his and his carpenter buddy's. The card read the rebuild was a gift from the Duggars. Does that count as charity? Even if Jimbob only paid for half of it (TLC, Company Donations to be on TV, paid for the rest of it possibly) does that count as charity?

Do we know they aren't using the money to help OTHER families quietly? Did we know John was a volunteer firefighter?

Another thought what percentage do they have to give of the money they make off TLC? 25% 50% 75% 100% ????

I thought the point was the children were being exploited... not what they did or did not do with the money... Nor does it prove one way or the other their intention.

Not every one was told to "sell all you have and follow me", some of us were told "take care of the widows and the orphans".

Ollie said...

I believe the Duggar's main motive with this show is not to be an "encouragement" to others, but to gain fame and pad their pocketbook. Why do I think this? Because families that are really doing what they feel to be the Lord's work do not profit from these enterprises, except to meet basic living needs. The Duggars seem more like televangelists, they often promote themselves more than the gospel.
Personally, I admire the Keller family much more. From what I've read online Mr. Keller devoted himself to ministering to the young people in Florida's prison system. He did this without fanfare and, as far as I know, without personal financial gain. Now that is something I find encouraging.

Anonymous said...

there was a show where Michelle talked about the children given a "Buddy" once they were weaned and the buddy took care of that child. In all the shows I have never seen Michelle really interact with those kids.

luvmybabies said...

Reality bites said...

"But, to be inspired watching two sick girls in the privacy of their own bedroom. To see a little girl, puking, with no mama around."

When the wisdom teeth episode was filmed, Jana was of age, and Jill was very close to it. Jana taking Johanna to the bathroom to puke...I'm not seeing the neglect there? Mom isn't around every second no matter how many children you have. Better a big sister who loves you than a daycare worker or nanny...

"They are not on this earth to entertain/inspire you. They are kids and should be being entertained and inspired themselves. If they so choose when they are of age, fine... But please try to remember these are children."

Of course they aren't here just to inspire me, my goodness. But we are all here to serve and contribute in some way. You said they need to be inspired themselves. It's possible that participating in filming part of their lives during their growing-up years may inspire them - it could be a stepping stone for some of them in future careers and purposes in life. As other pp have pointed out, doing this show has exposed the children to different environments, experiences, people and professions. Just a thought.

As parents of these children, JimBob and Michelle need to be extremely cautious with the things they allow to be filmed. This is where the line is. To allow your family to be filmed isn't unethical in and of itself, IMO. It's what exactly you allow to be filmed and what it's purpose is that can be exploitative. The G's motives appear to be for money and fame, period. And it did not turn out well for them. If that's the Duggars' intention also, then it won't turn out well for them either. But we don't know yet. And IMO, the filming they have done thus far has been, for the most part, pretty clean. I don't see that the kids are being "exploited". I am incredibly protective of my own seven children, and much (not all) of the filming the Duggars have done thus far is something I would allow for my family if I felt it was something we needed to do.

luvmybabies said...

"Deanna said...
I think the Duggars are strong in some ways too.

However, I do not see that they treat everyone with kindness and respect, even their own siblings. I have seen lots of pushing, shoving, grabbing. I even saw one of the little boys stepping on Johanna's back. This didn't seem kind to me."

I'm referring to the older children. I totally expect this kind of behavior from younger ones. All younger children display this kind of behavior at some point or another. It takes a little while to really instill better habits and understanding. But some children (speaking from experience here) have difficulty learning unselfishness and respect even as older children. All the Duggar kids from about age 8 up are pretty dang well behaved, from what I've seen. I'm impressed. :)

reality bites said...

I'll tell you who I think paid for the Bates rebuild. It was TLC by way of using the Duggar children for America's entertainment and parents who don't know when to say enough is enough to TLC in regards to their children's home and privacy. TLC doesn't give a care about this family or those kids. They only see $$$$ and so does Jim Bob.
I also don't think they are giving away the money they make from TLC. See, the point is, most people give to charity or volunteer. It's not that unusual. My family does it, my friends and family do, too. But, and this is the big but part, the Duggars are up front saying they do all of this for God. Therefore every single penny they make from TLC should go to charity. Not just some of it. And I'm sorry, from the way they are living lately. That's not happening.
People are saying that is why they do this show...inspiration for others. But most people see them exploiting their family and lining their pockets and judging others.
I admire the McCaughey parents. The Dionne Quints wrote them a letter imploring them not to use their children for financial gain, and they listened. They are raising their children in a normal household, not as tv stars. Good for them.
Picture cameras in your house all the time. How would you feel?

Anonymous said...

I am about ready to give birth to my 8th child and I hear comments ALL the time that would fall in line with Jimbob's statement about children and debt. Maybe he didn't say it in the most elequent way, but I see/hear evidence of his point everywhere. Its not that people don't love and cherish the children that they do have, its that often more children are refused for monetary reasons. And I don't mean not being able to provide the basics of life. I hear frequently from people who say they couldnt afford more kids when they are obviously spending plenty of money on material things. They are choosing not to afford children, while often accepting consumer debt eagerly. I think that was his point.

mamaofnearly8

reality bites said...

When the wisdom teeth episode was filmed, Jana was of age, and Jill was very close to it.
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I have had my wisdom teeth pulled. I didn't even want my mother coming over I was so miserable and sick. Let alone a camera crew to film it.
I have teenage children. They would have been mortified to have been filmed like that, and IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN BEDS!!!!!
That's not worth a few minutes of inspiration, at least not to me.
Jana and Jill are no more adult that Jennifer and Jordan. Jim Bob tells that family to jump and they ask how high.
Why are the Gosselins so bad and not the Duggars. They are both doing the same thing. That is until Jon Gosselin realized the harm he was doing to his kids.
As a mother, I don't even put my kids names on their backpacks for fear a stranger would know them or God forbid, even a pedophile.

Red Line said...

"As parents of these children, JimBob and Michelle need to be extremely cautious with the things they allow to be filmed. This is where the line is."

I would agree if they didn't have a weekly episode being aired. They used to do the occasional special, and I saw no problem with that at all. But I believe they crossed the line back with showing Grandpa's funeral, literally showing his dead body. Also showing Jill's panic attack at the doctors office, showing Anna's birth, using Josie's dangerous birth as leverage for more exposure.. etc. They've crossed the line, in my opinion.

They could easily still be doing an occasional special on their family for "encouragement" sake. So, why don't they? The problem with showing a weekly episode is that the viewers get bored with the same ole' stuff. They couldn't do a weekly episode on grocery shopping or homeschool and expect it to last for more than 1 season. They are therefore pressured to showcase new, exciting, controversial, emotional, dramatic, and interesting things about their family. We all know that Jim Bob is a talented business man. This just seems like another business endeavor for his family.

Jane in California said...

Anonymous said:
I hear frequently from people who say they couldnt afford more kids when they are obviously spending plenty of money on material things. They are choosing not to afford children
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And so what's wrong with that? The world is already overpopulated. If couples decide to have fewer children and spend money on new shoes instead of buying used like JB, I'm perfectly fine with that.

If materialism is what it takes to get people to have less children, then okay.

The problem with JB and M is they think their way is the best way, and anyone who doesn't follow their path is somehow less. Why is religion so devisive? I really don't know, but so many people take great pleasure in feeling morally superior to others. That's what I took from JB's comment. He and Michelle took the right path, while those who choose to be childless or have "merely" one or two children must therefore be less worthy, or "prefer debt", etc. It is sanctimonious and self-serving, not to mention none of his business.

Deanna said...

ALL younger children do not display the kind of behavior that the younger Duggars do. My children have never ever climbed across counter tops (wearing dirty clothes and shoes as well!), pounded on their siblings or stood on their backs. They don't ride scooters around the house, hang from ceiling fans or tops of stairway bannisters, or most of the other things those little kids do.

My older children never sneered at other people dancing, made public comments about food they didn't like (they politely tried it, and then moved it aside, so as not to offend the host). If they had comments or criticisms about other people's behavior or clothing, that are different than the way we do things, they were taught to politely keep those thoughts to themselves, and share them only in private.

The Duggar children, ages 0-20, very vocal proclamations of distaste for anything remotely different from what they do, is disrespectful. The young Duggar behavior at home is rude and disrespectful to both the home and each other. MANY people, myself included, would absolutely not allow such behavior.

The main point is that Jim Bob and Michelle are completely checked out on their parenting (after all, they walk ahead, literally and figuratively, smooching and holding hands, while the rest of the brood runks amok). They put their kids out there in the public eye, where no kids ought to be, while they (the parents) are busy ignoring their children's increasingly rude and bad behavior.

Anon 3:14 said...

mama of nearly 8 said, "They are choosing not to afford children, while often accepting consumer debt eagerly. I think that was his point."

How does JimBob Duggar know what each parent on this planet is choosing to spend their money on?

Isn't that judging others, something Michelle said the Duggars don't do ?

JimBob's poor vocabulary skills have once again revealed his true thought processes. And I'm glad.

Midwest Mom said...

luvmybabies said," I don't know of anything the Duggars have done in their past that looks like money-grubbing. "

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Ok, I'll start:

Allowing photos of micro-preemie Josie Duggar in People Magazine in exchange for money. People Magazine doesn't do anything for free.

Allowing Michelle Duggar's c-section birth of Josie to be filmed and aired on TLC, as part of the Duggars contract for which the Duggars earn money. Josie's chest heaving up and down, struggling to breathe moments after birth, was especially disturbing.

Trips to see Dolly Parton, Pigeon Forge, the Creationism Museum, extended tour of Washington DC, Silver Dollar City in Branson, laser tag, rock-wall climbing, paintball tag, just to name a few, which TLC paid for. Michelle said herself that before the trip out to DisneyLand, (aired on TLC), the family hadn't taken a vacation in what, 5 years?

A new baby grand piano, among other furnishings and services of a professional interior designer, all supplied by TLC.

Jill's emotional breakdown, filmed for all the world to see, as she was preparing to get her wisdom teeth removed.

Grandpa Duggar, in his final days of life, wheeled out into the living room for his birthday banana cake, again, all aired for the world to see.

And that's just what I can type here in 3 minutes.

Family on television in private moments = for which they get paid.

Seems like money grubbing to me.

happywith3 said...

Anonymous said...
I am about ready to give birth to my 8th child and I hear comments ALL the time that would fall in line with Jimbob's statement about children and debt. Maybe he didn't say it in the most elequent way, but I see/hear evidence of his point everywhere. Its not that people don't love and cherish the children that they do have, its that often more children are refused for monetary reasons. And I don't mean not being able to provide the basics of life. I hear frequently from people who say they couldnt afford more kids when they are obviously spending plenty of money on material things. They are choosing not to afford children, while often accepting consumer debt eagerly. I think that was his point.

mamaofnearly8
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Why is more kids somehow 'better' than choosing to have less kids?

Anonymous said...

"Why is more kids somehow 'better' than choosing to have less kids?"

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Who knows? Maybe it's just the opposite of people choosing to have fewer kids so they can afford more "things."

To each his own. Some chose to have more kids and less debt, some people pick the opposite and some people try and find their way in the middle.

Anonymous said...

"Family on television in private moments = for which they get paid.

Seems like money grubbing to me."


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If they chose to do that kind of work, then they should be compensated for it.

luvmybabies said...

Jane in California said...

"The problem with JB and M is they think their way is the best way, and anyone who doesn't follow their path is somehow less. Why is religion so devisive? I really don't know, but so many people take great pleasure in feeling morally superior to others."


Ahem...JB and M aren't the only ones who do that...just reread any previously posted comments above and you can see that's the case.

The Duggars are less judgmental of others than most people are to them. Michelle stated recently that "we don't worry about where others are called to be." They have said they don't expect other people to live the way they do.

Midwest Mom said...

Private family moments are "work" that one should get paid for ?

I'm not understanding that at all.

Anonymous said...

Deanna, loved your post (3:26am). Yes, I too find nothing "cute" or "normal" about the younger Duggar children's behavior in the house. Behavior like that is tolerated by no one I know and it's NOT "kids being kids".
The part in the last episode where the younger boy stomped on Johanna's back made me cringe.

8-year-old James has some issues with not knowing when to zip his lips. In the episode where the family took part in the Noah's Ark play on stage, James was interviewed at the end by the TLC producer, who asked him "What was it like to be in the play?" and James said defiantly, "It was WEIRD!". James is also the one who repeatedly argued with Michelle on the sofa regarding whether or not he had schoolwork to do.
At the age of 8, James should have some self-restaint in his words, especially since JimBob boasted in the dental episode that they teach their children self-restraint in everything. Uh huh, right.

Anonymous said...

Who knows? Maybe it's just the opposite of people choosing to have fewer kids so they can afford more "things.

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I think the problem with the argument is the assumption that people choose to have less children only because of finances. Jim Bob makes an assumption based on what I perceive to be incomplete information, let alone his personal perspective. The choice of family size is far more complicated than money alone. I could afford more kids, but chose not to have more. My husband is significantly older than me and we felt that having additional children (with spacing pregnancies for health reasons) at this stage of life would have been selfish. We also chose private education for our son, as he is exceptionally bright, and contrary to common belief; bright kids have special needs and require quite a bit of time and patience. I don't see that the Duggars have addressed individual academic strengths and weaknesses of their children. Their one size fits all approach to schooling, in some respects, isn't all that different than the "educate the masses" public school approach.

Our choice of limiting our family has enabled us to spend a tremendous amount of time together as both a couple and a family unit. We both came from large families and felt that limiting the size made our marriage and parent child relationships stronger. I am very happy, have made some sacrifices, and I wouldn't change a thing. Money had little, if anything to do with that decision. Acquiring things was never a goal, nor a reason not to have more children.

Jim Bob's statement is over simplified, which makes it sound judgmental. The Duggars are amazingly organized people, but not everyone can handle what they can. They know what they can handle, and many other people have different limits. I personally think that knowing one's limits is important, and finances are only a part of that equation.

Anonymous said...

We chose to have only one kiddo, and have no debt at all. It wan't a choice of more kids or more things. We just thought one kid was right for us, and yes, we do have money to take trips, have lessons, etc. which are important to us. No debt, no McMansion, no jewels, but lots of neat experiences.

I will take my life any day over life with that unruly bunch of kids. The only reason they have no debt is because they sell their baby pictures and birth videos, and allow their children no freedom or privacy.

No thanks!

Anonymous said...

James was interviewed at the end by the TLC producer, who asked him "What was it like to be in the play?" and James said defiantly, "It was WEIRD!"

It probably was weird to him, what's so wrong about that? I saw the same episode and he answered emphatically, not definantly.

Anonymous said...

"Private family moments are "work" that one should get paid for ?

I'm not understanding that at all."

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Obviously they are not private since they are allowing them to be filmed for TV. And yes, they should be paid for allowing that. Obviously people are watching, whether they disagree or agree with the Duggars. So TLC is making money off the Duggars, so the Duggars should be compensated.

Jane in California said...

luvmybabies said:

Ahem...JB and M aren't the only ones who do that...just reread any previously posted comments above and you can see that's the case.
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Ahem ... however, none of us who are commenting have a television show on TLC whereby we are putting ourselves out as an example to others.

The Duggars have placed themselves in the public domain. They have also said they do so in order to provide an example or to be an inspiration or testament to others, "to walk in the way of the Lord", etc.

Thus, any statements Michelle or JB make, in the context of having this much larger public platform that their TLC show has brought them, are free to be not only applauded by some, but criticized by others.

Anon 3:14 said...

Anon 10:31: "It probably was weird to him, what's so wrong about that? "

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Well, how about expecting James, an 8-year-old, to live by the old saying, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

I'm sure the people who organized the play don't think it's weird at all and were hurt by his insensitive comment.

This is the same child who absolutely loves to argue with his mother about whether or not he has schoolwork to do.

Anon 3:14 said...

Anon 10:33am, " So TLC is making money off the Duggars, so the Duggars should be compensated."

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But I thought the Duggars said they were doing the show to be an encouragement to others, not for the money, so why aren't they doing the show for free ? Could it be because the Duggars are actually doing the show for *gasp* the money and just don't want to admit it ?

happywith3 said...

Who knows? Maybe it's just the opposite of people choosing to have fewer kids so they can afford more "things."

To each his own. Some chose to have more kids and less debt, some people pick the opposite and some people try and find their way in the middle.

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Do you mean things like a house or car or college education?

We have no debt, and part of living within your means is deciding how many kids you can support to adulthood. (we have already bought pre-paid college plans)

If we are arbitrarily deciding who is better than whom, I think those who adopt kids are 'better'. Those kids are already here and have no parents and/or special needs. Surely, it would be better to devote all your time and finances to helping these kids rather than to selfishly keep having more of your own babies when all of these other kids need parents? Seem pretty clear to me....

reality bites said...

I have one question and maybe a person who thinks the Duggars are wonderful can answer me.
They claim that the size of their family is not for everyone. They chose this for themselves and are not out to make anyone else feel they should live like them, and yet they make terrible comments such as people see debt as a blessing and children as a burden.
How is that not judging or made to sound superior?

Celestie said...

Money wasn't the issue in our choice of number of children to give birth to. It depended on how many children we could parent, the way we wanted to parent. We wanted our children to explore their abilities and talents. I wanted to mother the ones I had, not pass them on to others, be it a nanny or a sibling. I feel M is missing a lot of joy that children can bring when you attend to the small things in their lives, like putting on their shoes or giving them their baths. Or tucking them in bed and reading them their favorite story, over and over and over again.

BarbMae said...

I do not watch the Duggar show but do see advertisements for it. To have TLC tape the life threatening events for M & Josie is just ridiculous. This tiny baby has many more challenges and obstacles to overcome and alot more time in the NICU. At her tender weight no one knows what health concerns this child may encounter. Will the Duggar parents allow TLC to film every struggle this little baby will go through and have People magazine take pics all throughout this baby's fight. J&M need to stay off magazine shelves and stop filming until their little baby's life is out of danger. I actually said to myself the first couple of weeks after Josie was born that they were "media quiet" and living for their child instead of reality t.v. Well, IMO I was wrong. IMO the Duggars are no differnt than the Gosselins. TLC will exploit to death these family shows and destroy young lives in their ratings quest.

CappuccinoLife said...

"Well, how about expecting James, an 8-year-old, to live by the old saying, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

I'm sure the people who organized the play don't think it's weird at all and were hurt by his insensitive comment."

An 8 yr old being weirded out, and saying so, by his first time on stage (in a huge production) is not mean or unkind.

It would be extremely petty for the organizers of the play to be upset by that and take it as a personal attack, and they didn't seem that type so I highly doubt they were hurt, if they even heard about it.

I didn't think that was "defiant" at all. But if he was, isn't that a good thing? Aren't the Duggar kids oppressed and suppressed and kept from having any true opinions? Sounds to me like the kid had an experience and had a personal opinion about that experience. Good for him. :)

SuzanneDeAZ said...

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Anonymous said...
I am about ready to give birth to my 8th child and I hear comments ALL the time that would fall in line with Jimbob's statement about children and debt. Maybe he didn't say it in the most elequent way, but I see/hear evidence of his point everywhere. Its not that people don't love and cherish the children that they do have, its that often more children are refused for monetary reasons. And I don't mean not being able to provide the basics of life. I hear frequently from people who say they couldnt afford more kids when they are obviously spending plenty of money on material things. They are choosing not to afford children, while often accepting consumer debt eagerly. I think that was his point.

mamaofnearly8
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Why is more kids somehow 'better' than choosing to have less kids?
"

In the statement above no one is saying having more kids is better than having less. The "better and less better" debate was not the issue at hand. The issue was that there are some who decide to limit the size of their family to the size of their wallet or to what they feel they want to give their children. I know many couples who have limited their family size as they wanted to give their one or two children more material things. You can divide the pie any way you want, in one huge piece or many smaller pieces.

Just for the record I believe each family should be free for whatever reason to decide the size of their family. If they want to consider their pocket book so be it. It does not mean they are better or worse for their decision. It is just theirs to make.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else noticed the obvious competition between michelle and the other mothers on the show? if one is preggers and the other one is not its written all over their faces. Also I think michelle got pregnant more quickly this time because of her daughter in law, then she kept it on the down low, if you notice they only filmed her chest up while anna was giving birth. Its obviously a competition with these women and I wouldnt be suprised if anna and josh do all their births at home just to one up his parents. JMO

Anonymous said...

I think it is a competition too. I think a reason for getting pregnant so quickly wasn't necessarily because Anna was but because Michelle has to keep ahead of Kelly Bates.

Anonymous said...

I agree witht the posters who had said that JimBob often does not think before he speaks, in this case regarding the number of children a family chooses to have. There are many factors that go into it.

In my case, my mom was the next to youngest of 13 kids. Her dad died when she was six, and they lived mainly on welfare until each of them "aged out" and got married or joined the service. Her growing up under these circumstances explains in part the reason I have just one sibling.

Wonder if there are any Duggar children who secretly wish to have none?

athm86 said...

Is there a certain type of discipline the Duggars use? I can't remember if I saw it here once or not.

Anonymous said...

Update but I hope Jim Bob has the weight wrong. Isn't that what she weighed last month?
http://www.examiner.com/x-22460-Seattle-Family-Examiner~y2010m2d5-Determined-dad-Jim-Bob-Duggar-finds-a-way-for-kids-to-see-micropreemie-Josie-Brooklyn-daily

Kat said...

Jim Bob started using his iPhone to film Josie Brooklyn in her incubator during the day.

Do you think he bought it used and saved the difference? LOL...

MomOfThree said...

Anonymous said...

I'm confused. If they don't plan to have a baby for a year, isn't that going against all they believe in? Isn't that up to God? How can they make that statement? If they are truly faithful to their beliefs, they would be trying like always, wouldn't they?

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THANK YOU! All these "we leave it up to God" statements followed by statements of "times of abstinence" have always confused me and seemed to contradict them.

On page 41 of their book, they talk about their "abstaining" times after the birth of each child. From reading that, I get the sense that the only time they "abstain" is for a certain period right after the birth of a child, so I would also wonder how they are planning not to have another pregnancy until after Josie is a year old (if that is, indeed, what Michelle means, because her being quoted as saying that "it is not as if we are going for another (baby) immediately" implies that in the past, that HAS been their "goal").

I also wonder how Josh and Anna, who have said that they are not out to set any records and that only two or three children would be fine with them, plan to "leave it up to God", yet not have a large brood. By Michelle's standards, Anna should be announcing a second pregnancy by late spring, but it is my guess that her babies will be spaced a few years apart...and not by chance.

So they can call it whatever they like, but abstaining during a time when they believe a woman is fertile in the belief of preventing a pregnancy is NOT leaving it up to God. It is practicing a form of (natural) birth control. Period.

Cyn said...

Apple iPhone 8 GB (first generation) (AT&T - GSM)

$450 new, $229 used (found on-line looking at different prices...)

I am betting that not only did he buy it used and save the difference he didn't pay as much as $229 for it.

If you wait 6 months to a year for the "new" "toys" they drop DRASTICALLY in price, and especially when they "new, new" toys come out the ones that were silly enough to buy the FIRST ones are now selling those so they can get the newest one...

Say what you might about them being 'uneducated' they do know the value of a dollar and how to make it go and go and go.........

MomOfThree said...

In keeping with the topic of the Duggars appearing to be judgmental, Michelle once made a statement that really bothered me.

It was on the episode (I'm pretty sure) about when they ran the marathon race. One of the little boys asked why the family had been asked to "appear"/host/participate and Michelle said (something to the effect) that "God has blessed our family with alot of children and that is special" and that people wanted to meet them.

I thought that was a thoughtless and rude statement to all families with less than 18 kids, and especially to couples with fertility issues. I have a friend who cannot have children and know how hurt she feels that God has not "blessed" her and her husband.

Yes, children are a blessing, but God blesses each of us, every day, in different ways and to say that one family is so much more "blessed" than another because they chose not to limit the size of their family is terrible. Michelle should have explained to her son that they were "picked" because they were now celebrities on a reality show...that they have because their family is so large and unusual, etc.

Ollie said...

Cyn,
While I find your explanation of the iPhone a logical one, the truth is you don't know how much Jim Bob paid for it or if he purchased it used. Personally I think if he's still purchasing used shoes for his children he should be ashamed of owning such a toy for himself. He could have purchased a much cheaper phone and better provided for his children's basic needs. Actually I think the Duggars have largely gotten away from the whole "buy used save the difference" based on the sudden upgrade in clothing and possessions that we have seen. It almost seems that they only said that to cover the fact that they had no choice before, unless they wanted to go into debt and no smart person does that on purpose.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob has mentioned that they allowed a cell phone tower to be built on one of their properties. Apparently 3 different cell phone carriers use it. It would make sense that if one of theose carriers is AT&T, Jim Bob arranged for a free iphone plus unlimited service as part of the deal.

Cyn said...

@Ollie:

The boots I saw one of the boys get for Christmas looked new..

Living debt free, and buy used save the difference... you and I may look at with an eye of "well he has to to provide for all those kids"...

But the fact is if he had the CASH money to pay for the land the house and what not sit on, the money for the house, and all else they bought and paid for with cash to resell later they have had the money all along to buy new shoes it would have slowed the saving down a bit but it WAS possible.

While they may be / are buying MORE new items now that they have more of a cash flow coming into the house; it wouldn't make sense to all of a sudden going to not buying used, or after the prices come down. To go from 20+years of saving like fiends to all of a sudden spending like water on brand new items doesn't make sense to me. A splurge now and then maybe... but "chronic" savers don't suddenly spend everything that comes in the house on what ever strikes their fancy.

Now if that's not what people are trying to imply with the Duggars please let me know, it's just what it sounds like to me...

Celestie said...

Cyn said: Apple iPhone 8 GB (first generation) (AT&T - GSM)

$450 new, $229 used (found on-line looking at different prices...)

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Apple iphone first generation did not have a video camera.The video came with the G-3.

SteelMagnolia said...

MomOfThree said,

Yes, children are a blessing, but God blesses each of us, every day, in different ways and to say that one family is so much more "blessed" than another because they chose not to limit the size of their family is terrible.

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Or to say that those who chose not to have children at all is terrible also.

I would have loved to have had a family, but circumstances dictated that it wasn't meant to be.

God has blessed me in other ways, though, and I am truly grateful.

Anonymous said...

Josh was in his new Aeropostale sweatshirt (no buying used and saving the difference for him!), and the little girls are all in this season's Gymboree clothing.

I'd rather see them in no-name clothes from the thrift store and new shoes. Used shoes are just gross and horrible for the feet.

Jim Bob definitely had a video Iphone, and we have seen other kids with Ipods and Iphones.

Money changes people in strange ways.

CappuccinoLife said...

"By Michelle's standards, Anna should be announcing a second pregnancy by late spring, but it is my guess that her babies will be spaced a few years apart...and not by chance."

Michelle's standards? Have they not said time and time and time again that their family size is something God specifically led them to be open to? The fact is, JB and Michelle are on the fertile extreme. Most human couples, even without birth control, will end up with far fewer children. A 2-3 years spacing between children is perfectly natural and often happens in families who reject birth control. Sometimes there are even longer spaces, and sometimes years and years of infertility.

I think it's good that Josh and Anna understand and accept that they are unlikely to have a family quite as huge as the Duggar clan. Whether you think biology, or God, it's just unlikely. Now, they might end up with nine or ten children, which looks like a lot to most people, but it's still only half of what Jim Bob and Michelle have.

Celestie said...

Another burning question: Do the Bates follow the no dancing rule too?

In a past episode it showed them all participating in a preschool song, which involved jumping up and down while singing about a tack. Where do you cross the line between following the actions of a song and dancing?

Anonymous said...

Celestie said...
Another burning question: Do the Bates follow the no dancing rule too?

In a past episode it showed them all participating in a preschool song, which involved jumping up and down while singing about a tack.
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The song the Bates were singing was "if the devil doesn't like it, he can sit on a tack".

I found the song rather creepy and thanks goodness they don't teach it in any preschool around here that I know of.

Cyn said...

They do however teach that song in Sunday School in most smaller baptist churches.

What is creepy about kids wanting Satan to sit on a tack? rofl

It's one verse in a song, these are the lyrics I learned as a child and was what the Bates were singing. = http://childbiblesongs.com/song-04-ive-got-the-joy-in-my-heart.shtml

Kat said...

I don't think the Duggars have gone wholesale into a free spending mode, but I do firmly believe they are far from their "Buy used and save the difference" stance they so proudly touted in the first few seasons. Jordyn's layette alone shows Michelle can spend money for no good reason and revel in her new "possessions" like any other materialistic, "gotta have it" person in society.

I'm also sure that a lot of the stuff (clothing, furniture, phones, cleaning supplies, basketball court, etc.) are given to them by TLC, People magazine, the Today show, product sponsors, what have you. I only hope they realize the true price they're paying for those things - the family's privacy and their children's childhoods.

Anonymous said...

"Most human couples, even without birth control, will end up with far fewer children. A 2-3 years spacing between children is perfectly natural and often happens in families who reject birth control. Sometimes there are even longer spaces, and sometimes years and years of infertility."


I would say that is more than likely true, however, I think whether they say so or not the Duggars are actually trying to conceive that many children. Like you said most couples do not have that many children and in order to have that many I don't think it "just happens" because they are so fertile.

What does that mean anyway? Does Jim Bob have more sperm than the "average man", and we all know he is not average. If Michelle was more fertile does that mean she would release more than one egg each month which would mean more twins. Don't most fertile women release an egg each month?

Cyn said...

Michelle waited till the 18th baby to buy a brand new and matching layette, the whole time JimBob whispering in her ear to "buy used and save the difference". Yes Michelle can and does like new things, but seriously she waited till the 18th baby to buy it, and she was seriously thinking that the 18th was going to be her LAST baby.


The Duggars have never claimed they ONLY buy used and save the difference, but that they do their best to do so. I think its their fans (guilty in the past) that make it seem as though the Duggars ONLY buy used and save the difference.

Basketball court JimBob paid for. (quite probably with TLC money but it was to say that TLC did not actually buy it for them) Michelle talked about them saving up for it...

another RN said...

I think whether they say so or not the Duggars are actually trying to conceive that many children.

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I agree. There are stats on fertility easily found on the internet. The Duggars must be really busy to have that many pregnancies. I don't care how much sperm JB has, there are only so many days a month a woman ovulates, and even then a pregnancy is not guaranteed. Gotta give it to them though, she does seem born to have babies-not everyone is!

CappuccinoLife said...

"Like you said most couples do not have that many children and in order to have that many I don't think it "just happens" because they are so fertile.

What does that mean anyway? Does Jim Bob have more sperm than the "average man", and we all know he is not average. If Michelle was more fertile does that mean she would release more than one egg each month which would mean more twins. Don't most fertile women release an egg each month? "

Well, "most" means some will have that many naturally. That would be the minority implied by mention of the majority. ;) The Duggar's may be part of that "some" who simply have that many without manipulating or using fertility enhancements of some kind. They are also privelaged to live in an era and a country where child mortality rates are very low, so their nineteen are alive and visible to the rest of the world.

What does it mean? Depends on who you talk to. To the Duggars it means that for whatever reasons that we may not be able to fully comprehend now, being limited by time and space, God's will was that they have 19 children. For me, it means that in spite of being young and healthy, God's will is that I have many fewer children than I would imagined I'd have by that time. No, it has nothing to do with spiritual or physical "superiority".

Cyn said...

Aren't stats based on AVERAGES... and with averages you have some that are at the high end and some that are in the low end....

Why is it not possible to some that she's just Fertile Mertile?

The reason I ask is because I know some fertile Metiles (I'm one of them) I have gotten pregnant 7 times 2 through condoms we would go months without having sex, make sure I was NOT fertile and I would still get pregnant... The only reason I stopped having kids is because I had my tubes tied AND burned... I have cousins the same way... between all of the cousins and the various methods between barrier, pill, shot and the rest the ONLY way we quit having kids was when we get "fixed" or the father does.

Celestie said...

cyn said:
They do however teach that song in Sunday School in most smaller baptist churches.

What is creepy about kids wanting Satan to sit on a tack? rofl

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My original question was: is this song and its accompanying actions considered dancing, since they are moving their bodies to the music?

I'm not sure it is creepy, but it is a little strange for young adults to be singing such a silly infantile song.

Ollie said...

Why, if their lifestyle hasn't really changed, would Michelle go out and buy an entirely new layette? Surely she has gathered more than enough items for the past seventeen babies that could be handed down? Even if some of the items needed to be replaced I highly doubt she needed everything, and new too when it could have been bought used for a fraction of the price. It seems even more ridiculous when you consider that she thought this was her last baby, it's not like she could justify the purchase by saying she could use it for three or four children and get her money's worth.
The new fashions, the new gadgets, the constant trips, the lack of discipline in the younger children, the Duggars have changed since their first special. Whether the changes are natural or brought on by money and TLC, I don't know, but they have changed. Maybe what we saw in the early specials was just an act put on for the cameras, but I honestly liked that family more. At least than we didn't have to constantly hear how modest they are, while watching the women give birth on national television and the married couples kissing constantly, or even worse hear details about their sex lives.
Frankly I think the Duggars, like most people, just aren't interesting enough to merit a weekly show devoted to their exploits. A few yearly specials maybe, but they just don't do that much that is interesting and fit to be shown on television. Have we really come to the point in our society where watching a pre-term baby struggle for breath is considered entertainment? Or where parents feel that selling their families private moments, including highly personal instances involving their underage children. is an acceptable and honorable way to make money? If I offered right now to sell anyone who wanted them pictures and video of my children people would be outraged and think I was an unfit parent, yet isn't that what the Duggars do every week? By the same token I'd be disturbed and upset if strangers were to sit around starting at my children, even if they kept their distance, but isn't that exactly what all of us views do to the Duggar children? When did we as a society decide that activities which would get you questioned by police in the real world were okay if we engaged in them through the medium of television? It just boggles my mind.....

Anonymous said...

haha What's this about him buying a used iPhone? We all know it was a freebie! ;)

Kat said...

Yeah, about that "last baby" thing - unless there was something they weren't sharing with the viewers, it sounded like the lamest "reason" for her shopping spree I could imagine. Let's see - she was ~42 at the time, had been getting pregnant about every 18 months with no apparent complications. Very, VERY few women enter menopause in their early 40's, so there was no apparent reason for her to think Jordyn was her "last" baby.

Let's get real - Michelle just wanted to spend some of that cash JB has been hoarding, and she wanted NEW, PRETTY stuff. YOu could see JB was practically having fits over it - he whined about having to go shopping, he whined about buying new stuff, he whined about the kids in the store.

I don't really care whether the Duggars are hypocritical or not, but it was amusing to watch Michelle charging around getting this, and then that, and oh! gotta have a matching set of these, etc., etc., etc. Either she or TLC must've really twisted JB's arm for that little spree...

On the other hand, maybe Michelle did know something. Maybe the doctor said something to them after Jordyn's birth about getting off the baby train, and she really did think Jordyn might be her last. That would be the only event that would make her "last baby" reasoning plausible, if not comprehensible to the viewers. Guess we'll never know...

Anonymous said...

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In a past episode it showed them all participating in a preschool song, which involved jumping up and down while singing about a tack. Where do you cross the line between following the actions of a song and dancing?
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This song is commonly taught in bible schools, church camps, etc to small children, who sing it and do the accompanying hand motions. The first few verses are about having joy in your heart. For whatever reason, TLC only chose to show the silliest verse (the one about sitting on a tack).

The song is pretty commonly known in Baptist circles, and in rural areas, and has been around a long time. In fact, there is an episode of "The Beverly Hillbillies" where granny sings it several times and mentions that it is one of favorites. (On that show, they only sing the verse about joy in my heart, not the part about Satan sitting on a tack.)

Many of the children's bible songs have accompanying hand motions. It is a way to give little kids something to *do* to participate in church services, like having a children's choir perform prior to the sermon, etc.

Anonymous said...

I have to chime in about people talking about the last baby and menopause. The two are usually many years apart. Almost all women become infertile long before official menopause. Fertility rates drop dramatically in the early 40s so there was every reason for Michelle to believe that this baby would or could be the last. By 45 the chances of conception are tiny yet menopause is still not normally reached until 50 to 52.

Cyn said...

Anonymous said...
Snip for space....
The song is pretty commonly known in Baptist circles, and in rural areas, and has been around a long time.
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Many of the children's bible songs have accompanying hand motions. It is a way to give little kids something to *do* to participate in church services, like having a children's choir perform prior to the sermon, etc.

2/11/2010 6:17 AM

Best part was during VBS the louder you got on the Tack verse the better it was... the younger kids LOVE it, this and deep and wide because there are so many hand motions to them.

The Bates Family do a lot of those "children's songs" during their bible time. They (the Bates) also sing these and other songs on the Local TV broadcast station.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, about that "last baby" thing - unless there was something they weren't sharing with the viewers, it sounded like the lamest "reason" for her shopping spree I could imagine.

I thought it was EXTREMELY plausible. Every woman in her 40's that is sexually active knows that the chances of getting pregnant have dropped dramatically at that time.

While menopause usually doesn't hit until around 52 or so, peri-menopause is quite common in the 40's. In fact's it's regarded as the normative.

Also, I didn't see anything wrong with the family buying a new layette.

Anonymous said...

Celestie- I understand your question about the Bates' and dancing, because I wonder that, too. Where does one draw the line? This is something that's always confused me. There's a fine line between clapping to worship music, doing hand signals, getting up and sitting down (as in the devil on the tack song) and actually dancing. It seems to me that the Bates are even more conservative than the Duggars in a lot of respects (I oculd be wrong) yet they see nothing wrong with doing motions to Christian songs. This is why I've always wished the Duggars would push their reasoning to its logical conclusion and consider WHY it is that they don't believe in dancing and what exactly "dancing" really means. Can't they just say no "lustful" or "bad" dancing? After seeing Michelle "correct" Johannah when she was clapping at the Ethiopian restaurant, I can only imagine they wouldn't approve of the motions in the tack song, either.

Anonymous said...

I just posted about the Duggars and Bates being different in terms of dancing. There's one more thing I wanted to bring up. Kelly Bates has had at least one miscarriage - sorry, I don't follow closely enough to know if it's been one or two, all I know of for sure is one. I know JB and M thought it was a sign from God when they had their misscarriage - I wonder what they thought about Kelly's, and I wonder what Gil and Kelly, themselves, thought about it? Do the Bates' ascribe signs and meanings to things the same way the Duggars do? Just one of my many questions about the differences and similarities between the Duggars and the Bates.

Because the show doesn't lay out all of the information for us, I think some of us (definitely me, at least) sometimes lump all of the families together (Duggars, Bates, Kellers, etc.) and assume that they all follow the same practices and hold the same beliefs when some may actually be very different. We wouldn't have any way to know. As a matter of fact, I seem to recall that both the Bates and the Kellers attend Baptist churches outside of the home. I'd be interested in knowing more comparisons, not so we can discuss other families, but just so we are all clear on who actually believes what rather than making some of the mistaken generalizations or assumptions that I so often make.

Kat said...

...the last baby and menopause...are usually many years apart. Almost all women become infertile long before official menopause.

Don't disagree with that statement, but Michelle had no apparent reason to believe her fertility was impaired. She had been getting pregnant without fail for 20+ years, and was pregnant with her 18th child. She said nothing to indicate that there was any medical issue or fertility issue that would prevent another pregnancy. Now, if she and JB had had trouble conceiving (as might possibly be assumed if there were long gaps between her later pregnancies), I might have bought off on her "reason." As it stands, I think we were just watching a little indulgence of the materialistic kind.

JMO, YMMV

Sharla said...

Michelle doesn't need a medical reason to know her fertility is going to drop off. It's one of those fundamental laws of nature - past 40 women's fertility drops like a rock. Past 45 it's less than a 1% chance a woman will conceive at all over the course of a year.

Anonymous said...

Can you imagine being Josie 10 years from now and seeing yourself on a people magazine with big, bold letters across the cover that say "How many kids are too many?"

I mean, she will forever be remembered as the pre mature baby of the family, the one that had to overcome adversity, the one where the public became very alarmed at her parent's irresponsibility. Yikes.

Lmbabies said...

Anonymous said...
Can you imagine being Josie 10 years from now and seeing yourself on a people magazine with big, bold letters across the cover that say "How many kids are too many?"

I mean, she will forever be remembered as the pre mature baby of the family, the one that had to overcome adversity, the one where the public became very alarmed at her parent's irresponsibility. Yikes.



She will grow up knowing that she is incredibly loved and wanted by her family, and that if they hadn't had "too many kids", she wouldn't be here. She will spend the formative years of her life encircled by the care, love and support of her huge family.

By the time she is old enough to reflect on and process the circumstances surrounding her arrival into the world, she will probably be secure in who she is, her family, and her family culture and philosphy, and it is likely that it won't affect her negatively.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

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She will grow up knowing that she is incredibly loved and wanted by her family, and that if they hadn't had "too many kids", she wouldn't be here. She will spend the formative years of her life encircled by the care, love and support of her huge family.

Lmbabies said"By the time she is old enough to reflect on and process the circumstances surrounding her arrival into the world, she will probably be secure in who she is, her family, and her family culture and philosphy, and it is likely that it won't affect her negatively . "

Lmbabies, I am glad you said that. Those were the exact thoughts I had. By the time she is old enough to understand these words will mean nothing. Had her parents listened to what other people say and do as they say she would have not even been born. Good thought.

Anonymous said...

"Had her parents listened to what other people say and do as they say she would have not even been born. Good thought."


If her parents hadn't sold out their family to a television show and magazines then how she might feel about it years later wouldn't even be an issue.

Celestie said...

Anonymous said...
Can you imagine being Josie 10 years from now and seeing yourself on a people magazine with big, bold letters across the cover that say "How many kids are too many?"

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Can't imagine the Duggars spend a great deal of time reading People magazine now, or in the future. It is full of "defrauders" and other "nike' things. My guess is Jb cuts out the articles about the family and tosses the rest.

MamaWama said...

I think the reason Michelle said that they were focusing on Josie this first year is because they have read or heard some of the comments about them not caring for their children and just trying to "pop" out as many as possible. I think she is trying to tell the general public that she is very concerned about her children and her main focus is on the ones who need her most.

That said, they have also mentioned that the premature birth has not changed their convictions. So she still will not be using birth control, and another pregnancy is a possibility.

I would have been surprised and saddened if they would've changed their convictions over one early birth.

This family is raising wonderful children who are focused on others, helpful and kind. Josie is lucky to be a part of this family.

Millie at home said...

A couple of things . . . . .

First: The Devil can sit on a tack song is a very common song used in Christian Sunday Schools and Sabbath Schools for children. It helps teach the children that they can tell the devil where to go if they are tempted to do wrong. As for the motions being like dancing, I just don't see the connection. Kids jumping up and down and people making sensual/sexual moves in a dance are totally different. I was watching a news item on Friday that showed a seven year old dancing in a very sensual way to advertise something and the commentators were commenting on how bad it was. A lot of Christians take that a step farther and think that for two people to move together like that as adults in public is wrong. I remember as an adult finally realizing that the moves I watched Elvis make as a young teenager were sexual and wishing somebody had explained that to me when I was 12 or 13 and too innocent to realize it.

The second thing is about Jordyn's layette. I too got the feeling that maybe Michelle was feeling like this was her last baby and was treating herself as just about any woman might do. I thought all she bought was a crib set and maybe a jacket - not an entire layette. I am sure that little Josie will get some use out of these items when she is big enough so all the better. Do we really begrudge her one new baby outfit in 18 children? Actually I suppose she probably had some new things for Josh as people probably gave her a baby shower and maybe again for her first set of twins. After that people just assume you have everything. You notice the Duggar ladies hosted a baby shower for Anna.

Marybeth said...

I haven't seem much of a change in their CORE beliefs at all. Their lifestyle has changed and that's to be expected. You can change your lifestyle without changing your core moral and religious beliefs.

JimBob is at heart a Politician and a car salesman and always will be--that's ingrained in his personality. It doesn't make him a bad person but it comes across in how he speaks and how he reacts to questions. He also is a conservative Christian who emphasizes daily to his children to have a servant's heart and not to offend anyone. Therefore he tries to lead by example. I find his "non-answers" a combination of his political/carsalesman background and attempts to non-offend.

I also see no problem in the large group of older kids (some in their 20s and late teens) going to El Salvador, also many not their 1st or even 2nd trip, without their father. I went on many mission trips in high school with a group of kids from my temple, some I didn't even know, with leaders I didn't know. At least they all knew each other, knew where they were going, knew what they'd be doing, and knew who'd they be staying with as a long time family friend. They also had their long time family friend camera crew with them--that is a huge bit of security.

There also seems to be some issue with their change in dress and buying of new "toys." A lot of what we don't see in 30 minutes can raise a lot of questions. But they do still shop for used items. There are many many product placements in the show now. Many are so obvious it's laughable--Jana and Michelle wiping the cabinet while talking using a Swiffer product. Others are more subtle--food products--the loaded pantry when they moved in to the house in "16 Children and moving in" all that food from Campbells and Sara Lee wasn't from Aldi--it was donated for the shoot and theirs to keep--if you look closely you can see JB's generic brands mixed in on the shelves. It is quite likely that the iPhones are part of the shows equipment and the Duggars' to use while on camera, not necessarily theirs to keep, or they also could be product placement.

As for the clothing issue people keep bringing up--newer clothes for the kids--updated styles. The girls are growing up and of course their styles are going to grow with them. Yet they are still as modest as ever---they use the phrase "modest modern." All of which can be bought used and they have a huge sewing room upstairs. They also travel to New York and other cities and it wouldn't surpise me one bit if they didn't take a side trip to any of the fabulous used clothing stores there--now there you can find the name brand used clothes at great prices. Also they do many photo shoots and clothing is brought to them, is it possible the clothes are theirs to keep?


I come from an Orthodox Jewish background and we're more modest than the Duggars. As married women we cover our hair and the girls all wear long sleeves. However we're also "modest modern." Just because we're modest doesn't mean we have to dress like Laura Ingalls.

I think it's important to remember that they do still homeschool, they do still worship as a family, they do still carry on with their missionary work, and they do still run their household as they have from the beginning. They shop as they always have, they still bargain hunt, they still drive used cars, they still strive to encourage others to be the best they can be and to prove that you can live a happy life debt-free. Yes they have a tv show and yes that offers them and income, but they were debt-free before TLC and they would have stayed debt-free had TLC never knocked on their door.

I think it's important to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their "toys" and new clothing and remember that there are frugal ways they could have acquired them.

Cyn said...

MaryBeth I loved your post but I do have to make one tiny correction.

They said that the camera crew wasn't with them in El Salvador that they were swapping off as to who was doing the filming to document the trip.