Tues, February 23, 2010, Duggars Dig In

The Duggars are getting back into their routine after their move but it isn't complete without a trip to the grocery store to buy for the family of 21. Watch Josie reach an important milestone in her growth and Jim Bob and the oldest girls give blood.

30 minutes

142 comments:

Ohio Buckeye said...

WHY should anyone GET to 'watch Josie reach an important milestone'? Why doesn't Josie deserve to have her privacy and dignity protected, if not for now as a struggling preemie, then at least for later (assuming she makes it and I hope she does) - does anyone ever wonder if maybe Josie might not enjoy the entire viewing public knowing more about her early struggles than even SHE can remember?

Anonymous said...

Jill and needles? I think I'll pass on more immature crying from a 19 year old.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars go to the grocery store.

Hasn't this been done already?

Thanks, but that's more "encouragement" than I can take right now.

I think I'll watch paint dry.

Anonymous said...

why are they giving blood for josie? if so, thats really sweet. but it seems like he makes the older girls go.

tara said...

Although I agree that crying as a 19yr old is a bit immature, Jill has the social skills of a much younger child, not interacting with people that aren't your parents or siblings will do that to you. (IMO)

-Tara

Anonymous said...

Modest Family?

Showing Grandpa Duggar in his last days.

Filming Anna and Michelle giving birth.

Watching Jill/Jana getting their wisdom teeth pulled out.

Showing little Josie is a fragile medical state.

What's next? Filming little children during bath time?

Digger said...

I refuse to comment anymore on an episode until it airs. I don't want to make a fool of myself. :)

Amanda said...

I wonder where they are going grocery shopping. There isn't an Aldi's in Little Rock. There isn't a discount grocery store in the Little Rock area..mmmm

Anonymous said...

Arkansas is the home of Walmart & Sam's Club-
They shop at Sam's Club-

Cyn said...

May not be an Aldi close by, but I did find this one =
Save-A-Bundle‎
20315 Interstate 30 S, Benton, AR‎ - (501) 776-2730‎
Category: Grocery Store
Write a review
"Salvage, Bulk & Deep Discount Grocery Stores. Benton, Sav-A-Bundle 20315 Interstate 30 Benton 72015

And it's not that far from the Children's Hospital, they said on the Moving In episode they were "across the street from the hospital" so I took the hospital's address and put in discount Grocery stores and it came up with about 50 of them (it included Krogers', Walmarts, Dollar Generals, and Sams clubs in the list too)

Since I won't get to watch the episode can some one let me know where they DID end up shopping though... (curiosity killed the cat and all that ;) )

WhitneyS said...

I'm glad that they are giving blood. I think regardless of the motive: money, ratings etc... the need for blood is extremely high and every bit helps.

Anonymous said...

By the looks of the episode description, more than Josie is on life-support.

Between Josh and Anna rehashing the same meeting, hoping, waiting stories; Josh being lazy yob (get up and at least help loan/unload your car) ; grocery shopping (we get it they buy big); routine medical procedures; and, trips to anywhere hosts will have them and their entourage.

When is it going to dawn on someone who matters at TLC that they have wrung all they can out of this family and stop the boredom / madness?

Karter said...

I ust want one cute smile from Jana, and it'll be a great episode.

Anonymous said...

No big trips in the future, with Josie on life support, so we're back to grocery shopping. Yawn.

I still want to see homeschooling, so I can see Michelle attempt to teach bankruptcy law to five year olds. That was priceless. Almost as good as her "lesson" on shapes and colors at the Biltmore House.

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to let everyone know that Amy posted some pictures of Josie on Facebook today, so apparently she's doing well.

Bubbles said...

Well, there's a distinct difference between the Duggars and the Gosselins - we all know there's no way they'd get any blood out of Kate's cold heart! Haha.

The grocery shopping theme may have been done before, but this time they'll be challenged a little more if they're having to shop in a more expensive store than they usually do. I like both the trip themed episodes and the day-to-day life episodes, so I'm interested to see this one.

Krissy said...

Great, another episode of Jill acting like an immature two year old at the site of a needle. My five year old niece doesn't act like such a baby when she gets shots.

I think this show is starting to head into the same slump as Jon and Kate. The smaller children are no longer cute, they're increasingly bratty and obnoxious. Josh and Anna's ridiculous PDA was once seen as sweet, now it's irritating and juvenile. The show has drifted from featuring day to day life and now focuses on TLC sponsored "field trips". And the Duggars religious hypocrisy is becoming laughable (they don't dance or drink, but have no problem showing a live birth on tv?)

It just seems like the Duggar children are so stunted emotionally and socially. The way Jill acts and talks I thought she was way younger than 19 until I read a previous post. It's a good thing they don't have to function in the real world, they'd get eaten up.

Carrie said...

grocery shopping wouldn't be so dang expensive if they didn't buy truckloads of pickles!

Anon 3:14 said...

In the preview, JimBob is shown saying "Ow, Ow" while the phlebotomist is inserting the needle in his arm for the blood donation.

Man up, JimBob. It's just a needle, not a vasectomy.

Celestie said...

It will be interesting to see the grocery shopping episode and see if they have figure out how to shop more economically and healthily. I recall watching the Bates shopping and saw rolls of Pillsbury (or other brand) biscuits, packages of cheese, and other prepared foods go into that cart. With all those hands, wouldn't it be more efficient and economical to make up some huge batches of biscuits, get a food processor to grate up bulk wedges of cheese. Wouldn't it be more economical to buy apples and make applesauce? Buy large cans of beans? Or buy dried beans and cook them. It is not like they are short handed or lack space.
All the things i've mentioned are easy to do, even i can do it and I don't cook that much.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Anonymous: "In the preview, JimBob is shown saying "Ow, Ow" while the phlebotomist is inserting the needle in his arm for the blood donation.

Man up, JimBob. It's just a needle, not a vasectomy."

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HA!!! LOL! He whined, too, about how Ma D's shopping 'wore a guy down' - his back hurt, he was tired, waaaah!

Something tells me Mr. Patriarch would rethink the whole 'let god choose how many blessings 'we' give birth to' if HE were the one going through 19 pregnancies, 19 labors, 19 deliveries, 19 breastfeedings.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Celestie: "... see if they have figure out how to shop more economically and healthily. I recall watching the Bates shopping and saw rolls of Pillsbury (or other brand) biscuits, packages of cheese, and other prepared foods go into that cart. With all those hands, wouldn't it be more efficient and economical to make up some huge batches of biscuits, get a food processor to grate up bulk wedges of cheese. Wouldn't it be more economical to buy apples and make applesauce? Buy large cans of beans? Or buy dried beans and cook them. It is not like they are short handed or lack space.
All the things i've mentioned are easy to do, even i can do it and I don't cook that much."

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What an excellent observation, Celestie!!!

Odd that the Duggars supposedly make their own LAUNDRY SOAP yet buy tons of processed foods rather than make from-scratch meals.

It's especially odd since Ma Duggar has a number of adult live-in nannies, aka daughters, to help and supposedly 'train up' to be dutiful stay at home wives/moms.....

Anonymous said...

I'm glad somebody else thinks that Jill seems like a 12 year old. Her immaturity is unbelievable. I don't really need to see her crying over a needle, so no thanks on the episode.

They are just as hypocritical about food and waste as they are about modesty (which means VERY hypocritical). They have an army of children who could tend gardens and chickens, and yet they buy sugar-filled sodas, chips, and other prepackaged junk foods and eat all of this garbage on PAPER plates! With all those live-in servants and fancy dishwashers, they SURELY could use real plates, even plastic ones, which aren't anywhere near as wasteful!

shawna said...

They are being PAID (a lot) by TLC to go grocery shopping and give blood. Don't forget that as you watch this episode tonight. They are making a huge profit from this episode even if they act like they are trying to be 'poor little ole frugal Duggars'.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why is someone suggesting ways in which the Duggar family can save money on their food bill? In their suggestions such as making their own applesauce it appears that they are now trying to assign the girls more work. I believe the girls make the meals with the items you often see in their pantry due to saving time and labor. Many complain that they are overworked and now some are suggesting that they work even harder.

Jane in California said...

And the added bonus of making food from scratch is that it won't have the preservatives and other additives of packaged food.

Making biscuits couldn't be easier, as all you need is flour, salt, sugar, baking powder and butter.

With the Duggars large property, I always wondered why they didn't raise some livestock or have chickens to provide eggs. Chickens are easy to raise and feed, and there is nothing like fresh eggs. I was part of a 4-H family, and so we raised sheep and the occasional pig. You learn not to get too attached, and it's a good lesson in where our food really comes from. Plus - you raise them humanely, not like the way most of our meat is raised.

Do the Duggars not really live in the country? I know they have a huge home and I thought they had a good piece of property as well. Do they have pets at all? Now that I think of it, I don't recall seeing the children taking care of cats or a family dog either. Maybe I just have never noticed it, and they do have at least one family pet.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Perhaps the point is less about the Duggar daughters having to work harder than it is about the overall inconsistencies popping up everywhere about yet another for-tv family.

The Duggars are a BRAND. This particular brand is an odd blend of religious fanaticism and down home country 'logic' and supposed values.


Little about the Duggars as portrayed on tv makes much sense. I HOPE the Duggars are at least a little smarter than TLC has scripted them.

I hope their daughters have more freedom to grow and develop than we are shown on the TLC version of religious country livin'. If not, why not at least encourage the Duggar females to expand their horizons into cooking something healthier than icecreamsandwichwith Butterfingersandwhippedcream cake and something tastier than JB's canned tuna ala BBQ sauce?

If the girls can't escape for college or a full time job, then why can't they at least explore some creativity (and nutrition) in their mother's kitchen?

And, BTW, why can't Ma Duggar have responsibility for preparing meals for her 'blessings' like most other moms (stay at homers and even fulltime-working moms)?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I believe Mrs. Duggar has said that they do not do well with animals so that is why they never raised any. They have had at times pets such as dogs, however I think with all of the children they have they may not want the added burden of taking care of animals.

I also know that small children should not be around helpless dogs and cats or guinea pigs. Many animals have lost their lives in the hands of wee little ones. Thus as long as they keep on filling their homes with small children they may not wish to have animals as pets or to raise.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Re: Jill's immaturity: ditto Josh's immaturity.

But what can anyone expect when you lock up kids with two uneducated parents, disallowing any meaningful interaction with kids their own age who vary so much as a hair width from mommy and daddy's 'values'?

OF COURSE they are immature. Their parents continue to refuse to allow any experiential growth outside the tight little box of church and procreation.

How else could they possibly turn out?

19 examples of arrested development - tune in 2night for '19 and still no maturity on the Duggar horizon'.

Anonymous said...

They have 20 acres but it isn't really in the country. Here in 'Ar hardly anyone has just a city lot. In all of the smaller towns houses are built on at least an acre - ours is on 6.5 acres within the city limits.

As for animals, you have to know what you're doing to raise animals for food and they also would make a lot of extra work. I would like to see them do more gardening, but if none of them loves gardening it also turns into a huge job.

The point that all this "scratch" cooking, raising your own food, having lots of pets, etc makes even more work for the older kids makes a lot of sense. I think they probably have enough to do now!

I heard last night that John David told a caller that he and Jana are both in college. That may be why we aren't seeing as much of Jana.

Anonymous said...

I personally am looking forward to seeing Josie reach another milestone. Her exposure to the cameras appears to be minimal and I really would like to know how she is doing. I know tons of Duggar fans feel the same way.

Anonymous said...

Jane and anonymous - I agree and have wondered the same about the animals, but what I really wonder about is a garden. Suzanne - I understand your point about the girls making processed food for the sake of time, but who better to have a garden than a family with so many members? This just goes back to the fact that maybe they have overextended themselves and had too many children if they are forced to make processed food to save time. This has been one of my concerns - if they can truly support each of those children and give them the quality of life they would have had had they been the only child then that's their prerogative to keep having more, but when I see their quality of life deteriorate with each child to the point where they can't even give each a decent, healthy meal (especially when they are more equipped to do so than most of us) this is when I think they've gone too far.

Kat said...

The Duggars have 20 acres of land. Part of that (up near the road) is used for commercial buildings, but there is a lot of open land.

A couple of seasons ago, they had someone come in and show them (!!!) how to plant tomatoes and a few other things. As I recall, no one was very enthusiastic about the work of caring for the garden, and since we have never seen or heard about it since then, I assume it is history.

Plus it's hard to actually garden or take care of chickens when you're on the road learning your shapes and colors (LOL) all the time.

Besides, you can't grow Twinkies, and JB wouldn't last a week without his snack foods.

Amanda said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Why is someone suggesting ways in which the Duggar family can save money on their food bill? In their suggestions such as making their own applesauce it appears that they are now trying to assign the girls more work. I believe the girls make the meals with the items you often see in their pantry due to saving time and labor. Many complain that they are overworked and now some are suggesting that they work even harder.
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Not to argue but....this is the problem....the girls are doing all the work. What is their momma doing other than making babies?

Even my husband and I take turns cooking and cleaning etc and it's just the two of us.

*~*Nicole*~* said...

So...Jana, Jill, Jinger and Joy Anna are grocery shopping and they are exhausted. Jana just said "I can't wait to go home and take a nap." Granted, they gave blood but I give blood a couple times a year, I'm borderline anemic and I've NEVER felt zapped of energy afterwards. They're exhausted because they're running a small army. Michelle keeps saying they are "resilient."
And Josie is wearing a ginormous bow (on a headband not a NICU cap). I'm trying really hard to still like the Duggars...but it's getting harder.

Anonymous said...

JoyAnna , Jill, Jana, & Jinger are having to shop after giving blood and are feeling the need to take a nap. This is a common reaction to losing that much blood and, as this family had never had that experience before I doubt if they realized how they would feel. As for giving blood when you are borderline anemic didn't they do a hemoglobin first to make sure yours was up high enough to give? With Michelle at the hospital I don't know who else would have did the shopping - I certainly wouldn't want to trust Jim Bob to do it, I don't even trust my husband to do the grocery shopping. It's interesting that Jana must be on his debit card to be able to use it. Did anyone catch what the grocery store was?

Anonymous said...

I loved this episode...Very heart tugging...

Jane in California said...

Yes, there is work involved in raising animals. That's why I pointed out that having a few chickens is relatively easy. You have to feed and water them every day, collect the eggs when they are laying, have a good chicken coop for them to keep them safe from predators. Occasional cleaning of the manure.

The girls work hard, so how about the boys could take care of a few chickens? My brother did this all on his own, so I'm sure 4 or 5 of the boys together could handle such a basic chore.

As to having a pet -- yes, young children must be taught how to treat a pet respectfully. That's an important life skill. It's a shame that Mr. and Mrs. Duggar took the easy route and decided no pets, instead of taking the time to instill in every child the proper way to care for and treat a pet.

I come from a large family, so I don't easily buy a lot of these excuses. It's called teaching by example.

We had 2 acres and on it we grew tomatoes, corn, beans, strawberries, watermelon, pumpkins.

My mom cooked dinner and as we grew older, we were her helpers. She didn't make us do all the cooking and cleaning. Michelle has abdicated her role as mother, and focuses solely on one narrow aspect, which is that of getting pregnant and giving birth. That is the narrowest definition of motherhood.

I'm sorry, but I just don't find the Duggars inspirational as parents. They seem to take the easy way out, or lay off much of the burden on their older daughters. I can't respect that.

*~*Nicole*~* said...

Did anyone notice their computers? They had flat screens...not cheap. I know they probably make plenty of money, but further up in this discussion was about processed food. And why couldn't JB take the older boys grocery shopping? How hard is it to read off a list and locate items??? He could always ask one of the store employees if he was unsure of something. I'm tired of Jill-the-narrator. I like Jana. She seems very sweet and is growing up to be very pretty.

Anonymous said...

Okay, really now? Adults freaking out over giving blood? Why is this considered entertainment?

Mandy said...

Did anyone catch what the nurse said about the blue bow on Josie? I couldn't understand that part. Something like "she has a blue bow on today" and Michelle seemed excited about that. Does that mean that the nurses are the ones that pick those out and put them on?

And someone made a comment about Jana having a debit card for their account. We saw Jim Bob hand her the card before they left for the grocery store and I used to use my parents' cards all the time when they would send me to the store for stuff. All you have to know is their pin number and even if you have to sign you can just scribble something.

Also, I think a garden would be hard for them to maintain since their life requires so much traveling. And I know that they travel a lot because of how famous they are now, but I do believe that they traveled quite a bit before the show came along so I don't think that the show is the reason why a garden isn't possible. Plus their friend (from church I think) plants his garden there. Maybe he gives them stuff that he grows.

And I'm not saying this is good but...I'm a single girl living by myself and technically I could probably try to make healthier meals that don't have preservatives. But do I? Nope. I'm not saying it's the best but I don't think it's fair to judge the Duggars for buying the food that they do. I think the majority of American families buy the exact same stuff at the grocery store that they do.

Steve knight said...

I think the girls would have to do the garden and animals. the boys are too busy getting a big head so they can boss a woman around.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice how Jim bob TOLD not asked them they were giving blood? And did anyone see the look on Jinger's face? She looked so annoyed. It sucks that they don't get a choice in things like this; that their ENTIRE lives will be decided by some man. Unless escape somehow.

BobS said...

I found it disturbing that JB basically guilted the older daughters into donating blood. He justified it by scripture and then said it was for Josie. Later on he said for other needy people too. Maybe it's just me but I feel that giving blood is a personal decision. No one should be pushed into it like that. I am a regular donor myself.

I found it funny that JB had the biggest reaction although he had to be stuck twice as he said his vein collapsed. The girls even mentioned it. It could just be a TLC edit job too.

SteelMagnolia said...

I don't watch the Duggars much anymore. Just trying to catch up on little Josie's progress tonight, given the fact that TLC seems to have a blackout on all information about her except around these episodes (i.e., strategically timed People magazine articles and Today show appearances).

And I don't know many (actually, I don't know ANY) 16-17-18-19-year-old girls who give blood without someone prompting/instructing them to do so.

I felt so sorry for those girls when they were in the grocery store and they were talking about how tired they were. God bless 'em.

Also, just checked out the head-first stair-skiing episode, and I saw a shot of Michelle peeking around the corner (don't know any other way to put it) and not saying a word.

She truly has abdicated all maternal responsibilities for those children after giving birth.

What a shame.

Bubbles said...

Debit card: All Jana needs is the PIN to be able to use the card. I have let my son use my debit card to get groceries or put gas in the car.

They had a friend "Mr Charlie" who lived in the city but he wanted a garden so they let him make one on their property. This was on the "Cheaper by the Duggars" episode of 17 Kids & Counting. He taught the children about gardening: cucumbers, tomatoes, squash, watermelons & pumpkins were all mentioned. I just happened to see this episode recently. We don't know if this has continued or not - just because it's not shown doesn't mean it's not happening.

Random thought: Do you suppose they get free cell phones and/or cell phone service from the company that rents their land for the cell tower?

SteelMagnolia said...

I should amend my last comment.

Michelle has abdicated all responsibility for these children after giving birth AND AFTER NURSING THEM.

From there, it's on to being raised by big sister. Whichever one happens to be available and not tied up raising yet another of your never-ending siblings.

Digger said...

Well none of the Duggar girls cried giving blood. I think they did a great job for their first time. I'm glad I didn't comment before watching.

I hope the girls did get to take a nap after shopping. They said they were up late.

I hope Michelle and Jim Bob find a new respect for working women after watching the nurses care for Josie. Maybe we'll see a Duggar girl go to nursing school. They have enough money now to hire a nanny and a cook. Go girls....Run!

Anonymous said...

Like other posters have mentioned, I felt so bad for those girls who were TOLD "we are going to give blood today." I also didn't care for the way JB talked to them. He presented the idea like he was explaining the concept to a five-year-old. I just don't like the way he talks to his older kids like he's always making some kind of an announcement or teaching a pre-school class. It's a hard thing to explain, but I don't think "awkward" fully captures his demeanor - I think it goes beyond that and reflects something about his relationship with his children and others that I'm not prepared to analyze but am annoyed by.
-Christina

Deanna said...

I wasn't planning on watching the episode, but I did anyway.

Couple of observations: Why a STUCK-on blue bow? It looked like it was taped to Josie's head!! How uncomfortable would that be for a sensitive preemie? And what is the point of making her uncomfortable?

Why were the nurses not wearing gloves to put in her feeding tube? I noticed on the "Little couple" episode that followed that Jen wore gloves whenever handling the babies, and they were much bigger than Josie. It seemed weird and unsanitary, even if they had washed their hands. Doctors and nurses ALWAYS wear gloves!

Why the cameras RIGHT up next to Josie as the nurses were handling her? All those extra lights and people in the room? Why expose her to all of the potential germs etc? (that's a rhetorical question, obviously).

I couldn't get over Michelle constantly admiring the nurses for their work in "keeping these babies alive" when she wouldn't allow her daughters to go into nursing or any other field.

I also thought Jim Bob gave an ultimatum about giving blood. I absolutely hated his attitude.

Anonymous said...

Mandy said...

Did anyone catch what the nurse said about the blue bow on Josie? I couldn't understand that part. Something like "she has a blue bow on today" and Michelle seemed excited about that. Does that mean that the nurses are the ones that pick those out and put them on?

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I would answer yes to that question.

Also:

The nurses picked out bows to match my baby daughter's outfits when she was in the hospital.

There has also been an NICU nurse that answered in this blog that she picks out bows to match their blankets.

Swissmiss said...

Someone asked what grocery store they went to. Since they didn't pan across the name of the store, I assume the Duggars paid full price for their groceries! It was decorated in bright red inside the store; no idea of the name.

Not impressed with the way Jim Bob pushed the older girls to donate blood. Not fair. Then he acted like such a wimp himself.

I used to be a blood donor and sometimes I would have a delayed reaction after donating. I would be sitting in the canteen and suddenly feel faint. Had to lie down for a while and then I was fine.

Swissmiss said...

I forgot to mention in my earlier blog that I thought it very unfair to dump all those younger kids on Grandma while Michelle is at the hospital, and Jim Bob and the older girls (including one too young to donate blood) troop off to the Red Cross. Why couldn't they split up blood donations across two separate visits and give Grandma some help.

Those younger kids are wild and out of control much of the time. I feel SO sorry for Grandma (and the older kids when they are there to help).

I wouldn't blame the older girls at all if they skipped town one of these days just to get away from the ridiculous work load dumped on them.

Anonymous said...

I didn't get to watch the episode, so I'm wondering what Josie's milestone was. I hope she will thrive and be home soon.

isles said...

I don't feel sorry for the girls one little bit-
I feel sorry for the 70 yo grandmother left to take care of 10 little kids!

Anonymous said...

The older boys, John David and Joseph are both at home in Tonitown, the next oldest boys are the twins who are something like 11 years old so I don't think they would be too good at shopping. I was imagining a whole cartful of "goodies" if Jim Bob went shopping and it would be even worse if just he and those 11 year old boys were to go. The same for gardening, you would have 15 year old Joseph and then the 11 year old twins. I think the reason we see the girls doing most of the work in the house is because they are the ones old enough to do it. John David at home was always the one doing things to "help" around the place like when they took down that tree. I see Joseph as following in JD's place and taking charge of things like lawn care, etc. They do mow a very large area and that in itself takes as much time each week as cooking or doing laundry. The little kids all have 10 chores to do each day and have to have them checked off. \\

The big girls are able to earn money for chores as Michelle tells us in her blog on TLC.

Anonymous said...

I was reading some internet comments today about Michelle and little Josie in the NICU. It sounds like people really are gaining an appreciation for what it is like to be a parent with a baby born this early. As a nurse, I think this is a good thing for the public to understand. Most people don't have any idea of how small a micro preemie really is and what ti is like to care for them or parent them.

Anonymous said...

In our area children are not allowed in the ICU.The fact that the hospital allowed 18 kids in the NICU was odd. I know they were "screened" for illness but you can still be a carrier without being sick.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob also commented the girls "volunteered" to give blood. Didn't he get them up to surprise them with what they were going to do.

msrylee said...

I was upset with JB telling the young ladies that they were going to donate blood. As a worker with the Canadian Red Cross, it is my belief that donating blood is totally voluntary. He then used scripture to back up his demand. Some of his daughters looked very unhappy and PO'd after his surprise was revealed. Parents need to lead by example, not force.

It should be interesting to see if JB will follow up and demand his sons donate as well. Will Josh moan and wince as much as JB did?

Anonymous said...

JB said that they were giving blood for Josie because she was needing blood transfusions almost everyday. I'm not a nurse or doctor, but that doesn't seem plausible to me. I would assume that she would have to be loosing blood somehow to need that much blood. Can someone shed some light on that?
I also agree that Jill is so immature; both Jessa and Jinger seem to be so much more mature than she is. I wondering if Jill just isn't as bright as the other three girls are. I'm not saying she's stupid, just not as quick as the others.

Anonymous said...

Notice that when the Duggars had friends over for dinner. It was one of the older girls with Jorden on her lap while she was trying to eat and there sat Michelle hands free and enjoying her meal.

Anonymous said...

Wow. For people with so much "faith" the Duggars seem to be afraid of everything! Needles, heights, flying, foreign food...the list is endless.

Jane in California said...

Mandy said:
technically I could probably try to make healthier meals that don't have preservatives. But do I? Nope. I'm not saying it's the best but I don't think it's fair to judge the Duggars for buying the food that they do. I think the majority of American families buy the exact same stuff at the grocery store that they do.
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I agree, most Americans, including me at times, shop with an eye toward convenience. However, the Duggars are supposedly living a frugal life and making their food dollars stretch. The key to doing that is not buying convenient pre-packaged and premade food items, as those cost more than if you made them yourself.

I'm a single mom raising my child and working hard to keep within my budget. I look at the Duggars who are supposedly setting some great example of how to have a large family and live frugally and I shake my head.

They have a large piece of land, yet they don't grow their own vegetables or herbs to supplement their diet. They don't have a dozen chickens to provide them with inexpensive and wonderfully nutritious eggs. They say they make their own laundry detergent, yet they buy Pillsbury rolls instead of making their own biscuits easily from scratch?

It seems to me that now they don't have to pinch pennies so much, they have become like most of the rest of us.

Further, if they are traveling all the time, then this show has indeed disrupted their lives and changed their lives. They are no longer just having a camera record their normal, every day lives, they are performing for the camera. They didn't travel a lot before this show -- in fact, I think the first special is where Michelle talks about how this is their first vacation in literally years.

I think at one point, they most definitely lived fairly frugally. I don't think they do anymore, because they have more money now.

Anonymous said...

If my preemie daughter was in the hospital fighting for her life, I would definitely "make" my other children go give blood for her. I don't think they should be knocked for that. And I bet the boys have to do it too. I'm not sure that teenage boys doing it would be as TLC worthy as the girls though.

Here's another thought - I wonder if they are getting a discount off of their hospital bill for free advertising? I think its highly likely and I'm not sure I see anything wrong with it. Its advertising they would otherwise pay for. But have you noticed how many times they show pictures of the hospital she was born and then AR Childrens where she was moved to after complications? And how many times in last nights episode along did someone say "AR Children's Hospital". I think thats yet another very creative way for Jim Bob to save money. I'm always impressed by his ability to make/save money.

Midwest Mom said...

I don't know how things are done in Little Rock, but around here when a person donates blood, there is an in-depth private health-screening interview with a nurse prior to the blood donation.

The questions the nurse asks are, well, let's just say, ahem, very blunt. For example, "Have you ever had sex with someone in exchange for drugs or money?", and "Are you donating blood today with the motive of obtaining a free HIV/AIDS test ?".

Now, I would love to have been a fly on the wall if that were the case with the health screening when the Duggar girls donated. The shock and horror, oh my!

Given the extremely sheltered live they've lived, I would wonder if they even understood the questions, and if so, did they faint away from embarrassment? Especially Jill who seems a little embarrassed all the time.

Or maybe JimBob was there in the cubicle with the girls during the health screening with the nurse? (Although here, no one else is allowed in the cubicle, that's a violation of privacy).

Anyway, gotta love that the Duggar girls got a few moments away from 24/7 nanny duties.

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who was annoyed that,Joy, who is too young to donate blood, got to go along on the trip leaving poor Grandma ALONE with all of the younger kids? As much as I hate JB and Michelle's reliance on the older girls as far as child care goes, in this case, I think it would have made much more sense to have Joy stay behind and help her poor Grandma.

And yes, I'm sure Jim Bob negotiated free cellphone service for the whole family as part of the tower rental deal. I honestly can't see him forking over $$$ for an iphone, or paying the extra service charge each month for it.

Not-buying-it said...

I felt sorry for thoses girls. JimBob's surprise was no surprise, that was a YOUR gonna give blood, whether you like it or not, and using the Bible, to explain and make them feel guilty is wrong. They should have been asked and given a choice, not made to feel guilty. Giving blood is a wonderful thing, if you wish to give. I hate needles I almost panic, and have had a panic attack when I went for a heart stress test, they could not catch my vein. When I go to the Doctor every 3 month they take blood, I dread that time. Now for growing a garden, it's just lazy on their part. There were only 4 of us, and my Mother & Brother like to look never dig, my Dad loved gardening and so do I, even now it would be easier to just buy at the store, but in the spring summer months I grow tomatos, beans some other stuff and I am by myself. Most of my neighbors grow veggies. Most people I know who have even small yards grow veggies in pots. Duggars have no excuse, they could have some friends or Josh or John-david water a garden for them when they pick up the mail, when they are gone, or put in a water system, that would water on a timer. And there is nothing wrong with teaching the younger children how to garden, it would give them something to do other than running amok. Cause that is all I see of the younger kids is running around, doing dangerous things and having no respect for each other or things. I also think that there is more wrong with Josie then they are saying. JimBob mentioned when he was telling the girls about their surprise, that Josie is getting blood everyday, is this normal for a premie? I hope the baby makes it. JMO

Anonymous said...

The blood donation episode just illustrates the "authority" that males of this religious lifestyle feel they have over females. When Anna married Josh her grinning father exulted about the perfection of the plan where fathers had "authority" over their daughters until they married and then the power fell to her new husband. The girls did not want to donate blood and left to their own devices would not have given blood, but their "authority"-the ever knowing Jim Bob, decided they would give blood. They have absolutely no power over their own lives.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob said the boys would be donating at another time, they were there that is why they didn't donate.

I think the girls should have been given the choice of whether they wanted to give blood or not. Most likely they would have after Jim Bob talked about it, but he didn't give them a choice. Seems like it would have meant more for them to choose on their own.

I know donating blood is really not that big of a deal but I would not force my child to give blood for me, my husband, or a sibling. I would explain the procedure, tell them why it is important and even tell them it would mean a lot if they did, but in the end it would be their choice

Cyn said...

Given the extreme importance they place on purity before marriage, I would have assumed they would explain exactly what happens if you don't stay pure. They would have discussed (at least with the older ones) all the issues that arise from being promiscuous, and that would include STDS including AIDS, pregnancy and the like.

Embarrassed quite likely, I was too when I donated blood when I was a teen, and I wasn't sheltered or home schooled. Some strange male or female asking those kinds of personal questions embarrasses every teen I have ever known. The questions though necessary are still embarrassing to any teen, not just the sheltered ones.

Celestie said...

Did anyone notice how Jim bob TOLD not asked them they were giving blood?

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I think this is a perfect example of how the girls have no control over their own lives or bodies. Chances are if someone explained to them the importance of blood donation, on an adult level some might have chosen to do so. I too, wondered about little Josie needing blood every day.

Suzanne has a good point about making food from scratch will take a bit more of the girls' time. However, if Michelle would take on some of the mothering duties, the girls could take the time to learn to cook. In their future lives, they may not have as much money as JB does, and will need to know some cost cutting measures. Cooking is an art and a pleasure. BTW, the 3 examples I gave, making biscuits, applesauce and shredding cheese are very, very, quick and easy.

Growing a garden is also a very satisfactory endeavor for many people. It might be fun for some. They could also learn more about shapes and colors. LOL

Anonymous said...

On the baby and the blood transfusions. Very tiny and sick preemies may need transfusions nearly every day. Their immature red blood cells do not last as long as those of an adult and they have frequent blood draws for lab tests. What is a tiny amount of blood for an adult is quite a large proportion of this tiny baby's blood supply. Also Josie appeared quite jaundiced at this time which would add to her need.

Michelle would not have been a good candidate for giving blood because of her recent blood loss with the birth and surgery. You notice Jim Bob stated that if theirs was the right type and matched it would be used for the baby. Actually, she probably got blood from the blood bank which had already been processed. It is usual for families to donate blood to replace blood given to family members and in some cases that blood will "pay" for the blood used.

Lorelei said...

About the Duggar's cell phones:
Rather than getting their cell phones and coverage from their investment properties, I think it is much more liklely that they are perks from TLC.

I know for sure that JimBob and Josh have Iphones, just like what the Gosselins were given by TLC. They also have shown both JB and Josh with Macbooks, so I think these fancy perks are clearly from the TLC camp.

Anonymous said...

Although I was disgusted with JB's attitude toward that girls and his mother, one thing I really enjoyed about this episode was seeing more of the older girls. I believe the producers made an effort to do this after finding out (somehow) that the viewers wanted to see more of them. Although they weren't shown doing individual activities, I was still interested in this episode just to see the girls and their individual personalities. As I said though, I couldn't believe the way JB announced to his mom what the plan was for the day then just took off. He acts as if his decisions won't affect anyone else and just has this cavalier attitude and hokey smile all the time that drive me nuts.

Can't See Sheep said...

Not-buying-it said...

I felt sorry for thoses girls. JimBob's surprise was no surprise, that was a YOUR gonna give blood, whether you like it or not, and using the Bible, to explain and make them feel guilty is wrong.
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That isn't very nice & it isn't very respectful. Why not sit down with them & talk about it like adults, because that's what the older kids are, they're adults. Why not sit down talk with them about it, explain about the need for blood & Josie's need for blood & ask them how they think it should be handled.

Most older siblings will always do what they can to help a baby sibling & make the right decision. I don't agree with the guilting them into it, that's just disrespectful. Giving blood is a very personal decision.

If you've raised your kids to be empathetic, caring individuals then you should have little to worry about, of course they would want to help their baby sister. Do the Duggars not trust that they've done this? Sure they might be frightened, but if you let them know you're going to be there for them, that you're going to be their rock so to speak, then you shouldn't have any problem & it does help to diminish fear.

Was it only the girls who went or did the boys go as well?

Deanna said...

Did anyone else think it EXTREMELY odd that the NICU nurses did not wear gloves when putting in Josie's feeding tube? I have absolutely never seen anything like that, particularly with a tiny micropreemie, who is so ill to begin with. I really wondered why they didn't protect themselves and Josie, and wear gloves.

Digger said...

I'm glad the Duggars did their duty to repay for the care of their child and sister by giving blood. I'm sure blood donations went way UP today because of the Duggars example.

I am just curious why there was not a single shot of the blood. Five people donated and they never showed any blood. Not that I'm into that or anything, I was just wondering if that is a modesty thing or if it was just editing.

Amanda said...

The whole "girls I have a surprise for you" thing was weird- what kind of surprise is that? A surprise is getting to go somewhere without a bunch of kids.

I'm going to Little Rock this weekend and so want to stalk them ;) to see if it's as bad as it seems.

Midwest Mom said...

I am surprised that JimBob would "allow" the girls to be put iin a situation where a "stranger" (i.e. the blood donation center nurse) was asking the girls about their sexual history.

And I would have given my next paycheck to see JimBob's reaction when the nurse asked him that question they ask of all male donors: "Are you a man who has been intimate with another man in exchange for drugs since 1978", etc etc., it's a multi-part question they ask each time.

Since the family is trying to be such an "encouragement" to others, why not film and show that part of the donation process where the girls proudly proclaim that they have been "pure" ?

I'm feeling defrauded, not to have been filled-in on this important part of the donation process !

joyruns said...

Nicole said...
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"And why couldn't JB take the older boys grocery shopping? How hard is it to read off a list and locate items??? He could always ask one of the store employees if he was unsure of something."

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The two older boys aren't there. They are staying in Springdale to look after the house while everyone is away. The next oldest boy is Josiah, who is just a little older than Joy-Anna, I believe.

Also, someone asked if the boys donated blood as well. I think the only boys old enough to give blood would be John-David and Joseph, and since they are not there, it makes sense that they were not shown donating blood.

SteelMagnolia said...

The fact that the girls were TOLD that they were going to give blood - and were not ASKED if they WANTED to give blood . . . continues to haunt me; and supports what so many of us have speculated about here - and that is, that these girls' lives are not their own. At least, not for now.

I, too, am very much "turned off" by the tone that JB takes when speaking to his children. It's like he's so disconnected from them that he's speaking to a room full of kindergarten aged children - and kindergarten aged children that he doesn't know, to boot!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone ever wonder why it is that the Duggar girls are the only ones with braces? None of the boys has braces and certainly they could use them ....

Looki said...

Re: Jim Bob telling the girls that they have to donate blood.

I haven't seen the episode, so this is just a guess- but is it possible that this was staged ? that Jim bob had already discussed it with them, then TLC shows up and says- no, we want to film you telling them.
So he gets the girls together and makes a big announcement AGAIN, but since it was already decided he just reminded them of the plan.
And the annoyed looks- that was just a teenage "you told us already!" look.

Kelly Renee said...

Well taking care of a garden is a big task but with all those children and Jim Bob and Michele together it could be done. And then of course there is learning how to can your food for future use and that really isn’t that much work but can be done as a family. Chickens aren’t that hard to take care of or feed and the benefits alone from fresh eggs would help. I grew up on a farm that was totally self sufficient. The only thing we bought at the store was butter (which is a pain to make from scratch), flour, sugar, and other staples such as that. But all the rest of the food was right from our farm. Except we loved it when we could buy store bought bread because all the slices were the same size, my mother never learned how to cut bread! And there is nothing wrong with all the children, even the “little ones” learning how to pull weeds, water, and pick ripe vegetables.
Yes the preparing of work takes alittle longer but not that much and again, it can be a family endeavor. And so much healthier. After all that is the way people lived for many centuries and they survived quite well.
I believe the bow was actually on a piece of tape on Josie’s head. We did that all the time when I worked in the nicu. No big deal. And the tape is removed with adhesive remover that they use all the time when changing tubing on her. Again, no big deal. I’ve put in plenty of feeding tubes without using gloves. Handwashing is the number one defense against spreading or getting infections.
I think it is great that it seems John David and Jana are in college. I kept saying that we only see part of their lives and then everybody seems to fill in the rest in their imagination. We really don’t know what a 24 hour day in the Duggar lives is like. We only see what TLC seems to think we want to see and if that is controversial and keeps people talking then the show goes on. If you really want the show to stop, stop watching it and stop talking about it.
As for encouragement I think they still do a lot of that. In this episode with Josie and telling about her feeding tube and her progress gives many parents in the same boat alittle encouragement. The nurses there seem to be very skilled and very at ease with explaining things for the camera, which I am sure is only one cameraman. No real need for a lighting technician or a sound man. With the video equipment of today that is all it takes. And those cameras have one heck of a zoom on them. They are not right up next to her.
And yes giving blood will make a person tired out. And you don’t have to be borderline anemic for that to happen. It is a stress on the body. And sure a 16 or worse yet a 14 gauge needle (which is even bigger) does hurt when it goes in. Especially if you don’t have great veins and one of them blows, as what happened to Jim Bob. So saying ow isn’t out of the ordinary. And of course, the first time a teenager gives blood is something that does need to be strongly encouraged and I feel Jim Bob did it correctly. Starting with the scripture reading and then talking about Josie needing so much blood. That is the truth. She is using a lot so it is only fair that her family helps to give back. But I agree, they could have split them up so Grandma Duggar wasn’t left holding down the fort. She kinda gave him a snippy answer, something like “well I always do it anyway” or something like that. And I also agree the girls should have been given the opportunity to decline if they wanted to, but I don’t think any of them would have.
Someone asked why she would need so much blood. Lots of times the premies have so many blood draws done, mostly for blood gas levels to maintain the ventilator at the proper settings that this could be the reason. Another reason for frequent transfusions are the platelets are too low, thrombocytopenia, occurs frequently in babies as small as Josie.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else think that Jill might be slow? She seems about the same metal age as the youngest big girl. Joyanna?.. I wonder if the Duggar's belive in getting special education for kids like her or if they'll keep her home forever?

Jane in California said...

Looki said:

I haven't seen the episode, so this is just a guess- but is it possible that this was staged ? that Jim bob had already discussed it with them, then TLC shows up and says- no, we want to film you telling them.

So he gets the girls together and makes a big announcement AGAIN, but since it was already decided he just reminded them of the plan.
And the annoyed looks- that was just a teenage "you told us already!" look.
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I'm sure either scenario could have happened. Not sure which one I like less: The one where JB decides that his children will donate part of themselves and they don't get any sayso in the matter;

or the one where they all pretend for the camera (making it a scripted, fictional show).

Giving blood is basically an invasive procedure. It's not as extreme as donating a body part, yet you are donating part of you - your life's blood. This is NOT a decision that should be made FOR you.

I most emphatically disagree with how it was portrayed, as something they were basically told to do, unless they wanted to be considered bad people. To me, it demonstrates yet again that JB does not feel confident in his own parenting. If he and Michelle are doing such a fine job of raising their children to be good Christians, why cannot he trust them to make the best choice when given the opportunity?

Because he's afraid some will choose not to (rightfully, as it should be a freely given choice), thus he'd lose face. So to avoid that possibility, he makes the decision for them and lays a guilt trip in case anyone might rather not but would then be too ashamed to admit it.

Swissmiss said...

Someone asked what the 'milestone' was in the baby's life.

Michelle had thought the baby was still under two pounds, but the nurse told her she was something like 2 lbs., 1 oz., which made Michelle very happy.

I think it was probably filmed about a month ago, so hopefully she has gained yet more weight since then.

pumpkin said...

I believe you have to be 16 years old and weigh at least 110 pounds before you can donate blood. That would also explain why it was only the older girls. (John David, as we know, is at the home in Springdale)

At least, those were the standards the last time I donated blood.

Anonymous said...

"Does anyone ever wonder why it is that the Duggar girls are the only ones with braces? None of the boys has braces and certainly they could use them ...."

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I would assume it is because in this male dominated cult, the women have to be attractive so that a male will come and choose them. Whereas, the boys in this family will just go and choose a girl someday, regardless of how their teeth look.

Anonymous said...

As a pediatrician I have a few problems with this episode.

1. One of the pop-ups stated that Josie was born 11 weeks early. You count back from 40 weeks so she was born 15 weeks early.

2. Those who work in the NICU are not going to jeopardize the health of premature and sick babies. A correct and thorough hand washing is appropriate when handling the babies for many situations.

3. Micropremies can need transfusions every day due to immature red blood cells, but also because of the numerous lab draws they have every day.

4. With all of the screening and preparation of donated blood, none of the blood the Duggars donated will probably actually go to Josie. But someone who needs it will get it!

Anonymous said...

I hate all the "I can't wait to hold little Josie" suspense... when it was clearly shown in the People magazine spread that MIchelle got to hold her already. bah!

Anonymous said...

As to the Duggar girls with the braces, perhaps it was a 'deal' to do the girls dental needs first , and later the boys. This is just my thoughts on the subject.

Cyn said...

The great part about being the parent is we don't ask our children if they want to do things we tell them they are going to do them. Saves more arguments that way.

The adult 'children' could have said no. Guilt or no guilt, pressure no pressure. The adult girls that gave blood had to sign their own consent forms. That's the great part about being an adult. The ability to tell your parents NO!! (at least that's what my teens keep telling me)

Considering it was to help their youngest sibling, I see no issue with this at all.

Anonymous said...

Looki: I think you may very well be right - that definitely came across as rehearsed. He may have just been trying to be funny with his "surprise" to set the stage. He does appear to have a weird sense of humor at times.

Anonymous said...

I think by the reactions of the girls and the looks on their faces the girls did not know about the blood donation in advance.

B said...

In regards to the grocery store thing, I can't knock them for buying processed foods and convenience items, because let's face it, that's what most Americans do.Although why do they buy so many jars of huge pickles? Who eats that many pickles? And pets and animals would just leave the older girls stuck with more work than they already have.

Also in regards to this episode, they have all those computers, but when do you actually see any of those kids doing real schoolwork? I know the show can't cover everything but it seems like the younger bunch don't do anything but run around out of control.

Also what is the point of relocating an entire family? JB and Michelle don't even take care of the kids so wouldn't it be better for them to be in their own home and maybe just visit Little Rock on the weekends? The smaller kids act like they barely know their mother so what's the difference?

Anonymous said...

I've often thought that the very life was being drained out of those older Duggar girls because of their enormous and disproportionate responsibilities. Especially Jana, she just has no life in her eyes, she seems emotionally empty.

This episode proved it.

There it is on film, the very life (blood) being drained out of those young women.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob told the girls "I have a surprise for you! (the night before). Jinger stayed up all night trying to figure out what it was, but was afraid to say because she didn't want to be disappointed.

"Surprise! You're going to give blood!"

What a let down. I understand that they did it for a good cause, but that's not a surprise. They probably thought that that one of them was about to start a courtship. Soon enough, soon enough.

Anonymous said...

I agree that it would have been priceless to hear the nurse ask those questions before giving blood, but from my experience the nurse leaves the cubicle and you answer the questions on the computer. The nurse only asks you about them if they see that there are any answers that would make it dangerous for you to donate.

Nicole said...

I, for one, don't think that Jill is an immature person simply because she cried before having her wisdom teeth taken out. Many people have phobias of different things. I am a mature, well-adjusted adult, but I literally pass out every time I get a shot. Everyone is scared to death of something... I have seen many adult women stand on tables and scream because they saw a mouse. Some people might consider this immature behavior, but they are truly scared. The only difference between Jill and everyone else in the world is that she has a camera crew filming her when she is frightened and we don't. I think this is exactly why the Duggars should not be on television. It is unfair to their children to have strangers ridiculing and judging them based on what we see on tv. No one should be privy to these private moments.

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but in one episode, Michelle said that God gave her so many girls in the begining to take care of all the little ones. So, the boys can't help out? Oh & the little ones are so out of control. I saw in one of the newer episodes, (when josh & Anna were helping) little Jennifer had climbed up the outside of their staircase. She could have easily slipped & been seriously hurt.

SteelMagnolia said...

Does anyone else find it ironic that this family's favorite "food" is PICKLES (?) - something usually associated with pregnant women?!!!!

LOL here! :-)

kalyse86 said...

Did anyone else get the feeling that Jinger thought that the "surprise" was another pregnancy announcement? Jim Bob said that Jinger was up until 1:00 am trying to figure out what the surprise was and when he asked her to tell him what she thought it was she she said "right now?" or "right here?" or something along those lines. Then she said she didn't want to say what she thought it was, she would just let him tell her what the surprise was. I was thinking that maybe she thought the surprise was an announcement for baby number 20. LOL

Anonymous said...

"The great part about being the parent is we don't ask our children if they want to do things we tell them they are going to do them. Saves more arguments that way."

Most parents do this with younger children but not their adult/near adult children. I would never think to just tell another adult what to do. One of the first things I learned as being trained as a manager is you ask people to do things you don't just tell them they are going to do it. I tried to show as much respect or more to my own children as I would other people.

"The adult 'children' could have said no. Guilt or no guilt, pressure no pressure."

I wonder if these kids have ever been allowed to say no to anything. Sure they could have said no, but I doubt very much that they have or would have said no to this or anything else their parents tell them to do.

Terra said...

A few things about donating blood (from an expert donor!).

JB did tell the girls they were donating, but if they really didn't want to, they could have said so to the nurses at any time. Even once they've started taking the blood, if you tell the nurse to stop for any reason, they do it immediately. The nurse's main priority is the donor and will refuse to let someone donate if there's even a hint that they don't really want to.

Also, someone mentioned that they ask the health questions by computer now. I'd bet that was the case in Little Rock. Even in small cities, most places use a computer survey now. The only questions they were likely asked in person were probably "do you feel well today?" and "where did you travel?" since they would have answered yes to the travel question.

I can't believe they planned the shopping for after donation. I know from experience, I like to take a 2-hour nap afterward. Shopping is the last thing I'd want to do.

Anonymous said...

I am surprised the girls were actually able to donate since they had been out of the country recently.

Anonymous said...

I also think it was sick that Jim Bob used scripture to reinforce the idea that the girls needed to give blood. The Duggar kids don't really have a choice in anything. As their book says, the kids are taught "fun" games to "reinforce" the idea of happily obeying their parents. If one of the girls said, "no dad, I'd rather not give blood" then she would not be obeying happily. And Jim Bob's manhood might be tested a bit.. and we can't have that!

peachykeen said...

ahem, my thoughts:

Jim Bob is asking his delicate daughters to donate blood, even though he has never given blood before? Did you see how he acted when the needle poked him? Give me a break.

Those girls are basically slaves.
"Give your blood! Now go grocery shopping! Now go cook for us! Now clean up! Now do our laundry!"

What is Michelle doing during all this? Pumping breast milk and wringing her hands at the hospital. It's like she's on "auto-pilot" parenting just because she's birthed so many kids.

Did Michelle really say that God gave them a bunch of girls because he knew they'd need the help? Really? How self-centered could your thinking be? If God gave families certain 'genders' based on their personal needs, then he would have given the Duggars 19 girls. They could use the "domesticated" help.

Jane in California said...

Kelly Ranee said:
But I agree, they could have split them up so Grandma Duggar wasn’t left holding down the fort. She kinda gave him a snippy answer, something like “well I always do it anyway” or something like that.
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I didn't watch, so I get my info from details provided here. Sounds like Grandma Duggar has been merged into yet another helper in the household, long hours, no pay, and bye-bye peaceful golden years.

Run, Grandma, run!! (Hey, while you're at it, take a few of your granddaughters with you.)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous about the donor rules: here they ask specifically where you have been and for how long. Certain places are an absolute no, and some are OK if it was a short period or wasn't a risky part of the country (I wasn't deferred for a cruise in MX whereas some parts of MX are automatic deferral.

roddma said...

"If my preemie daughter was in the hospital fighting for her life, I would definitely "make" my other children go give blood for her. "

I wouldn't make anyone donate blood. Giving blood is noble but if you give against your will, it isn't much of a gift. Minimum age is 17 and 110 pounds according to the Red Cross site. There are other ways to help listed on the site. I dont think these girls had a choice. Joy anna shouldn't be allowed to give or Jinger because they are below the age limit. I didnt see he episode but why must a biblical reference be given in this situation.

luvmybabies said...

"I wonder if these kids have ever been allowed to say no to anything. Sure they could have said no, but I doubt very much that they have or would have said no to this or anything else their parents tell them to do."

I know it seems like after watching so many shows so closely we feel like we know practically everything about this family - but we don't, and thank goodness for that. I do get the feeling that despite the many things the Duggars have shared and a little TMI sometimes, there are some cards they hold close to their chests. And it should be that way.

Michelle and Jimbob were recently filmed saying that Jessa was "strong-willed" and "didn't listen" when she was growing up. That indicates some ongoing disobedience to parents on her part.

Little James, I believe, was filmed recently being fairly sassy to his mom about his schoolwork.

In their book, the Duggars talk briefly about how their teenagers have made choices at times that "broke their hearts". The things they're referring to might be very minor, or then again - maybe not. It's hard to imagine any of the olders doing anything wayward, but really, who knows? As a teenager, I was sheltered and had the appearance of being perfect and wholesome, yet I did some things that would have shocked everyone who knew me.

They put on the appearance of being a perfect happy family - but the reality is, none of us are perfect people or have perfect families. I wouldn't expect the Duggars to air dirty laundry to the public, that would be disloyal. And the older children naturally would try to conceal disagreements or "bad" behavior from the cameras.

It just doesn't seem likely to me that all the girls are as controlled by JimBob as some people say they are. They're just too old now. If things were really that bad the older ones wouldn't still be there - lack of worldly experience notwithstanding. It doesn't take a college degree to get your own place, flip burgers, maybe fold clothes at the Gap - or even go be a nanny somewhere. The girls are most definitely qualified for that, and while the work would be the same, they'd be out of the house if they were really wanting to escape the "iron fist of JimBob".

elise_moose333 said...

Roddma said " Minimum age is 17 and 110 pounds according to the Red Cross site. There are other ways to help listed on the site. I dont think these girls had a choice. Joy anna shouldn't be allowed to give or Jinger because they are below the age limit."

Jinger could donate because the age limit is 16 otherwise the nurses legally could not have taken it and Joy didn't give blood she was there for support.

Midwest Mom said...

from a prior post, "as their book says, the children are taught fun games to reinforce obeying their parents".

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Yep, this goes along with this quote from the official Duggar family website as to how JB thinks a "fun Saturday night" should be spent. They watch the DVD series of Financial Freedom Seminar:

"We enjoy watching one hour a week, for example, like on a Saturday evening as a family or with friends and then discuss it."

Yes, I'm sure the younger children really enjoy that. Can't let 'em watch Sesame Street or Curious George (gasp), but they are firmly ensconced in financial freedom at age 2, 5, 7, whatever !

nccalgal said...

The verse that JB used to back up his "request" is actually a command not to eat or drink blood because it is the "life" of the person or animal. Just another occurance where a random verse or in this case, a phrase in a verse is the basis for a particular practice or belief.

Anonymous said...

About the trip to the grocery store leaving Grandma alone with all the kids, you may have noticed that only four girls went and one of those was Joy. That means that one of the older girls, either Ginger or Jessa stayed behind. Also Mrs Gentry would have been there working with the home schooled kids so that means there were 2 adults and one older teen there to watch the 10 children. Grandma was left to watch the little ones while the older ones went to give blood, then one of the older girls went back to help so we probably had grandma and Jessa/Jinger watching 4 o5 little ones - I'm not sure if Justin would be doing kindergarten yet or not.

Aren't those 4 little ones cute? Even little Justin who seems a lot like JoHanna. Jennifer seems to be the timid one of the group, but Jordyn is going to be another with a lot of spirit. I suspect Michelle spends more time with those little ones than some like to think. After all, until this pregnancy there were 18 months between when the youngest would have been her primary focus. We also see Jim Bob helping a lot with those little ones as my husband has commented.

B said...

For one thing the girls didn't really have the option of saying no when it came to giving blood. How are they going to say no on national tv when their father basically guilt trips them into it by saying it's for their sister?

And if Josie needs constant transfusions why weren't the older members of the family typed earlier to see if their blood was compatible?

I like most other posters find it disturbing the way JB talks to these girls like they are four years old, when I think all but one are eighteen or older. All he had to do was talk as an adult, mention the importance of donating blood to others and ask if they would be willing to help despite the pain of needles.

I remember in high school we had a blood drive and it was amazing how many teenagers (who were of age) volunteered happily to give their blood. They didn't need coercing by a pushy, controlling father.

Anonymous said...

anonymous said

"Jill and needles? I think I'll pass on more immature crying from a 19 year old."


I don't think Jill is immature - at all, really. Immaturity, to me, means being irresponsible, selfish, lazy, inconsiderate of others, unable to see the big picture of life - things like that. Jill is none of those things, in fact quite the opposite.

She does have a natural sweetness and innocence about her, even more than her sisters do. I think this probably a combination of her natural personality plus having led a sheltered existence. There are some choice high school experiences that really toughen a girl up, like getting your bra snapped and your rear grabbed, fistfights and foul language in the halls, things like that. Jill hasn't been exposed to that, so yeah she's more innocent than your average 19 year old. I don't know, not necessarily a bad thing in my book. Life has a way of toughening you up and taking away your innocence soon enough all on its own.

Anonymous said...

We are getting the kids ages wrong; Jill is 18 not 19, Jessa is 17, Jinger is 16 and I was confusing Jackson and Justin. Apparently Justin is 7 and Jackson is the 5 year old. I don't think Jill seems immature for 18 and there is no way they could have known ahead of time that she would be that frightened of the Oral Surgery. She had no problem at all with the blood donation and those are a large guage needle to prevent breaking up of the red cells. My husband is worse than Jim Bob about needles. He had one shot of an antibiotic after surgery for a nasty appendix and absolutely refused any more. Men, in my experience as a nurse are not nearly as tough as women about those things.

Anonymous said...

Fistfights, foul language and having their rear grabbed? I went to school, as did my daughters, and we never experienced anything like that. We did, however, have a lot of fun in school, meeting different kids, etc., something the Duggar girls never get to do, in between their constant cooking, cleaning, childcare, packing, laundry and other slavish chores.

Anonymous said...

Dang ... the girls were asked ("told", whatever) to give blood. Not donate a kidney.

Also, the Duggars were shopping at what used to be called Harvest Foods here in Little Rock. I'm not sure what they changed the name to, but I can tell you that is one of the most expensive grocery stores around. Most folks here simply shop at a Wal-Mart Super Center or a Kroger, both of which are less expensive.

Also, I don't think Jill is slow, but I do think she acts a lot younger than her true age. Not immature, but definitely sheltered.

And I just want to say, IMHO, if my child was in the ICU fighting for her life, the last thing I'd want to be bothered with is a camera crew. I'm sure the Duggars are under contract, but I think I'd have to say, "sue me" and focus all my attention on my baby girl, my other 18 kids and on what God is trying to get me to understand from all of this ...

~Jasmine

Anonymous said...

That is too bad that your children had to experience that but I can assure you that just as the Duggar's haven't had to experience any of that neither have any of my daughter's and they are in public school.

Amanda said...

I started giving blood when I was 17. I gave until a few years ago, my veins are hard to find. One of the reasons I gave was because my dad and my older sister both gave and they set the example for me.

In fact my dad set many examples for me. He was not a perfect man but he learned from his mistakes and taught me from those. I watched him go to work everyday at the same job for over 20 years. (When he passed away he had over 2000 hours of sick time) He was never a do as I say not as I do kind of dad. (He smoked but never told us we couldn't...none of us smoked)

Jim Bob seems disconnected from his kids, the girls especially. I was wondering today if Jim Bob knew what a fist bump was after I saw a dad give one to his kid for a good job done.

I know this is long and rambling, please forgive me.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"About the trip to the grocery store leaving Grandma alone with all the kids, you may have noticed that only four girls went and one of those was Joy. That means that one of the older girls, either Ginger or Jessa stayed behind. Also Mrs Gentry would have been there working with the home schooled kids so that means there were 2 adults and one older teen there to watch the 10 children. Grandma was left to watch the little ones while the older ones went to give blood, then one of the older girls went back to help so we probably had grandma and Jessa/Jinger watching 4 o5 little ones."
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The five oldest girls (Jana, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, and Joy) went grocery shopping and Jim Bob and grandma stayed with the little kids.

Who is Mrs. Gentry? Do you mean Mrs. Quiry? I have not seen her in Little Rock with the Duggars. I think she was just helping when the kids were still at home and JB and Michelle were in Little Rock.

Anonymous said...

Mrs Gentry is a woman in the Duggars' community whom they brought in to help with the home schooling while Michelle is busy visiting Josie.

Bubbles said...

In a way, JimBob reminds me of how my own dad was. He died in 2004, and now that I know more about autism I think it's very possible he had Asperger's or was on the spectrum somewhere. He tried hard to be friendly and funny but it never came naturally to him. JimBob is like that, too, which is especially interesting since he's been involved in politics. I should say that my dad was a friendly, helpful person just as JimBob is, but it just didn't flow easily the way it does for others.

JimBob's commitment to and love for his family is commendable and the world could be a better place if more fathers tried to teach and guide their children. His way may not be perfect but he's trying.

msrylee said...

Although I can't donate blood, I work for the Red Cross on a volunteer basis. I was critically ill after the birth of my daughter, and received over 30 units of blood, which in part saved my life. I will be eternally grateful for the people who selflessly gave in order to save lives.

My favourite clinics to work are at high schools. Even though some students are afraid of needles, and the sight of blood, they still donate. They understand the importance of blood donations, and often become life-long donors. Many of them need a hand to hold while being stuck, and that's okay. They crack all of us up with their humour and wit.

The young Duggar ladies may have decided to proceed with giving blood, if given the choice. We'll never know, as they were told they were going to donate.

Anonymous said...

I don' see love for his family when I watch JimBob interact with his children.

I see a man who only wants the whole to know "how many" children he has. (i.e. from a recent episode, "Hi, I"m JimBob Duggar and I have eighteen children").

As if having "more" makes you "better" ?

I don't see fathers of singleton children introducing themselves as "Hi, I'm Mr. XYZ and I have one child".

JimBob's entire identity is that he can procreate.

Yawn. That's love of himself, not love for his children.

I like the Duggars said...

"My favourite clinics to work are at high schools. Even though some students are afraid of needles, and the sight of blood, they still donate."

This is the situation at our church as well. We hold several blood drives each year, but at least one is designated for the youth; they bring the bloodmobile (is that the name of it? Sounds like "bookmobile", lol) right to the parking lot, and it draws not only regularly attending teens, but their friends who attend infrequently, another church, or not at all.

I didn't think it was at all unusual of JimBob to take them to donate blood, especially to "give back" as a family in recognition of the gift they have given Josie.

And while the girls seemed surprised, no one looked "forced" into donating... in fact, as they repeatedly mentioned, JimBob was more nervous about it than any of them.

Nothing to worry about.

I like the Duggars said...

"What is Michelle doing during all this? Pumping breast milk and wringing her hands at the hospital. It's like she's on "auto-pilot" parenting just because she's birthed so many kids."

I don't have any personal information, but I wonder if Michelle was and is more ill from the experience than they let on.

I had the same condition she did with my last pregnancy, only I went into full-blown eclampsia with seizures and possibly stroke after the baby was delivered. I was told it would be six months before I fully regained my strength... it was closer to ten, and I still suffer some neurological after-effects.

In my opinion, Michelle has looked a lot weaker and more fatigued than usual, and seems to lose track of what she's saying in the middle of a sentence. Also it's likely her blood pressure is still elevated, especially if she's pumping milk all day long. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if most days finds her visiting Josie, pumping milk, and resting the rest of the time.

Hope everything is okay with her...

Kelly said...

Jim Bob is very egocentric. He spends most of his time shellacking his hair with ten tons of hair spray. His only other interest is smooching his wife or announcing to the world that he has a family larger than most sports teams. As if this somehow makes him father of the year.

Long ago I learned that being able to make a baby doesn't make one a parent. Jim Bob should take note. So he seems to have no trouble procreating. This doesn't mean he is any sort of Super Dad, since like Michelle, he seems only interested in making the children, not actually raising them.

Kelly said...

I also thought that Michelle looked really wiped out on the last episode. Her eyes look blank. She looks really out of it. I wonder if she is healthy, I also wonder if Josie is actually getting better. She looked mighty weak and sick.

The sad part of all of this is that Michelle will probably still go for kid #20, even if it kills her. I just don't understand this type of mentality. God gave us brains. I wish the Duggars would use them.

Anonymous said...

I guess it's a matter of perception. When I see Jim Bob I see love and pride in his family. I think that both he and Michelle have as a permanent part of their identity that they are the parents of a very large family but I think that is natural. Just as one of my Son-in-laws sees himself as a very tall man, he is 6'7" and also as one of a very large family, he is one of 17 children and no, they weren't Quiverful, or strict fundamentalist - just prolific!

SteelMagnolia said...

"Dang ... the girls were asked ("told", whatever) to give blood. Not donate a kidney."
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That is beside the point, I think. Giving blood should have been their CHOICE. After all, it IS their bodies and their blood! Jim Bob could have presented this option in such a way that they would have willingly done this anyway. But he didn't. Which is indicative, I think, of the dynamics in this family.

Personal example: I am in my early 50's now, but when I was in my early 20's, I worked for a very large utility company. There was a blood drive. I had never given blood, never even thought of it, but I - like the Duggar girls - was "guilted" into doing so. The only thing that "saved" me was that I weighed less than 110 pounds at the time. (Oh gosh - those were the days!) They turned me down.

Anonymous said...

Total WORD to the JimBOb being egocentric and control freak posts .! No, the word CHOICE is not in his vocabulary, nor is it part of his daughters' world. Ever.
My husband has fathered eight children (not counting, sadly, our 3 lost ones). He does NOT introduce himself and follow his name with the number of children he has fathered. Yes, it IS weird that J.B.D. does that. Yes, it is.
But the whole of the DUggars world is skewed, so that it "becomes NOT-weird"; first to them, then to those who worship that family. It "becomes" the normal. But it's not!
Just like it's not NORMAL to have 19 children and you know Darn WELL it's gonna be 20.
Oh and the speculation of M.D. "not being well." (physically). ?
Whether she is or isn't, you can bet your bippy she'll be simpering on whatever show that Meredith woman hosts real soon, probably the old standard, Mother's Day, announcing in her babyvoice that they are "Expecting again! Number Twenty!"
Gah!!!

Anonymous said...

"The sad part of all of this is that Michelle will probably still go for kid #20, even if it kills her. I just don't understand this type of mentality. God gave us brains. I wish the Duggars would use them."

I agree that this seems sad and ridiculous to many of us. But I think from the Duggar's point of view, they made a promise many years ago to leave the timing and number of children they would have up to a higher power. I wish they would interpret the situation with Josie as time to stop and focus on the blessings that they already have. In any case, Michelle did say that the focus would be on Josie for this year (so presumably they aren't about to try again in the near future). And remember that Michelle is 43, so what's the likelihood that there'll be anymore?

Anonymous said...

About Michelle and Josie's health, we need to remember that this last episode was taped when Josie was 4 weeks old and Michelle 4 weeks post Gall Bladder infection/inflammation, preclampsia, and C Section. She very likely was still anemic from the delivery and between the stress of the birth and the stress of having a baby in NICU was not fully recovered. I wonder when those pictures were taken that show her holding the baby "kangaroo" style. They may have been taken after this episode which would explain why she says she can't wait to hold her baby.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Mrs Gentry is a woman in the Duggars' community whom they brought in to help with the home schooling while Michelle is busy visiting Josie.

2/26/2010 11:10 PM
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What episode was that? I know that Debbie Query and her son Peter were helping out with the kids and homeschooling in Tontitown. I have never seen a Mrs. Gentry.

luvmybabies said...

"he seems only interested in making the children, not actually raising them."

Really? The JimBob I see always has a little girl in his arms, and a little boy on his leg. He's always talking to the kids, gathering them around and teaching them, according to their book he reads the Bible with all of them every night, he takes them places often. The man doesn't even work away from home fulltime, and from all appearances he spends most of his time at home, helping parent his kids.

We might not agree with all his parenting methods and belief systems, but I think there's no question JB is a very involved dad to all his children.

Anonymous said...

luvmybabies said:

"Really? The JimBob I see always has a little girl in his arms, and a little boy on his leg. He's always talking to the kids, gathering them around and teaching them, according to their book he reads the Bible with all of them every night, he takes them places often. The man doesn't even work away from home fulltime, and from all appearances he spends most of his time at home, helping parent his kids.

We might not agree with all his parenting methods and belief systems, but I think there's no question JB is a very involved dad to all his children."

luvmybabies, I completely agree with you. I think he is a very good dad. When I saw how comforting he was to Jill before her dental procedure, I have to admit that I teared up a little, because I NEVER got that from my father. When I was young, my dad wasn't in the picture; he and my mom were divorced. My dad was pursuing his own goals (mostly with other women) and I wasn't on his list of priorities.

I think JimBob and Michelle are both good parents. I think all those children know they are loved. And I've never seen any of the children treated better than any of the other kids, such as the other TLC family where one little girl was obviously favored.

The Duggars seem to be a very God-centered and functional family. I grew up in a dysfunctional mess of a family, so I recognize the difference when I see it.

I wish I had born in a family like the Duggars; it would have saved me years of pain. And perhaps my brother would have lived longer. He died of drug and alcohol addiction. The Duggar children are extremely lucky, in my opinion.

roddma said...

"I wish I had born in a family like the Duggars; it would have saved me years of pain. And perhaps my brother would have lived longer. He died of drug and alcohol addiction. The Duggar children are extremely lucky, in my opinion."

Im so sorry you had to endure such hardhsips as a child. Its natural the Duggars may look appealing to anyone in that situation. The same behaviors you described also happen in conservative Christian circles.

The Duggar children are lucky one way and not so lucky in another. For example in this episode, they werent asked if they wished to give blood or not. They were expected to do it almost guilted as someone mentioned.

I would not want to be in families where I didnt have a voice or say so especailly as a young adult. Parents can harm their children in other ways too. Seemingly happy religous families can be dysfunctional. We only see a fraction of their lives in the program. so dont get fooled too easily by what you see on TV.