Tues, April 13, 2010, Josie Duggar Meets the Bates

The Bates are back! Gil and Kelly, and their 17 children, travel to Little Rock to see the Duggars and meet little Josie. And, while in the capital city, the families visit a new church for a whole new experience.

30 minutes

168 comments:

babysteps said...

A whole new experience? Maybe they visited a Scientology church. LOL I'm sure it's another evangelical, conservative, Baptist like church. If not I will be totally shocked.

Anonymous said...

Too bad the Bates' are too cheap to get motel rooms instead of imposing on the Duggars during their time of stress.

LizMassie said...

again with the Bates huh? It is so obvious that they are arranging marriages between some of those kids.

Imagine all the good "episodes" that could potentially come out of a Duggar/Bates courtship. First kiss hype, wedding, first baby.. oh yeah. They're definitely playing matchmaker. It's too good of an opportunity for Jim Bob to "pass up"

Anonymous said...

Aren't there occupancy requirements for a rental home? Would the owners really want 40 kids in there, all clarmoring over the single shower? It seems gross and unsanitary. Maybe they'll put the boys in the bus, but then again, they could have some impure thoughts there.

But if I were a landlord of that historic house, I would not allow 40 kids to be trashing it.

And why are the Bates allowed into the NICU?

youhaveHOWMANY? said...

I know with the lease that I signed for my place, we are not allowed to have more than 4 adults living in our home regularly, and no more than 6 adults visiting more than 4 days.

Hmmm.

How many adults are in the Duggar's rental?

Michelle, Jim Bob, Grandma, Jana, Jill, Gil, Kelly, Zak, Michaela, Erin, and potentially Lawson (He was 17 as of last fall, not sure when his birthday is.)

And then there are 30 some children...

I think is reckless and unsanitary to have that many people sharing one residence, especially with only one shower.

I think it is curious that when we first were introduced to the Bates family, they commented on how many years it had been since they last saw the Duggars. Now they have seen them a number of times in 2 and a half years. Is it because the Bates are receiving money from TLC? Or because of a pending courtship? Do they just like the attention?

GermLaden said...

Oh, that is a FABULOUS Idea, JimBob and Michelle Duggar! Expose your preemie kid to even MORE peoples' germs and coughs!
OH wait; we are talking about the Duggars after all.

Whoop-Tee-Doo! said...

How many adults are in the Duggar's rental?

Michelle, Jim Bob, Grandma, Jana, Jill, Gil, Kelly, Zak, Michaela, Erin, and potentially Lawson (He was 17 as of last fall, not sure when his birthday is.)

And then there are 30 some children...

I think is reckless and unsanitary to have that many people sharing one residence, especially with only one shower.
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Are you kidding?!? I wanna go visit too! Sounds FUN!
(lol)

just.me said...

At least the Bates family hasn't had enough of the TLC kool-aid to have totally sold out their family.

Yet.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else think that a Bates/Duggar courtship will be announced soon?

Lauren said...

Help me out here....Which one of those three sentences said that the Bates would be staying in the rental house??
And just because they are friends with this family they are arranging marriages????

Anonymous said...

"Too bad the Bates' are too cheap to get motel rooms instead of imposing on the Duggars during their time of stress."
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If the Duggars have room to park their bus outside of the rental house somewhere, it's possible they may stay in there.

Anonymous said...

Where are the Bates from? Just curious how far away they live from the Duggars' when they're home in Tontitown.

Jess C said...

I think there is a courtship announcement in the works with the Bates. I'm not all that excited about it though, it just seems so played out already to me lol. If there was some random family entered into the mix, I'd be so much more interested I think. The Bates are sweet, but it is strange that they suddenly are best buds with the Duggars considering they hadn't seen each other in so long and suddenly here they are, visiting each other constantly. I think they are at least a little influenced by the Duggars, seeing what TV has done for them, if they are not already on TLC's payroll.

The bathroom situation I definitely could NOT do, but I understand that all of these people live in large families, so it might just be second nature.

I am interested in the "church experience", but get the feeling it will either be another fish out of water situation, or something completely mundane. I don't see them voluntarily going a church that has worship/dancing/anything they don't practice, and am afraid if they DO that there will be eyerolls or something rude to that effect. (like at the Ethiopian restaurant...)

Anonymous said...

I would be more excited about a courtship between Jana and Zach than Erin and JD for some reason. I think it's just because we've already seen one son go through the whole courtship and engagement - I'd like to see one of the daughters get to start a new life.

HondaMom said...

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Where are the Bates from? Just curious how far away they live from the Duggars' when they're home in Tontitown.
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I think they live in Anderson County, TN, which would be a 650 - 700 mile drive from Tontitown, depending on the route.

Marybeth said...

When the Duggars were visiting the Bates, they went to the Bates' church, which was Baptist. As their hosts, it would only be polite to take them to a Baptist church when they come visit, so I'm sure that the church they choose is similar to the one the Bates attend at home.

Also, when the Duggars were helping to remodel the Bates' home, they all shared one bathroom for several days and made do. I'm sure that Jim Bob and Michelle and TLC would not knowingly break the rules of their lease by having guests in their rental home "illegally." Who's to say they didn't get permission to have them come visit? Afterall, it's going to be seen on national tv. Usually the boys all sleep in the bus when they do. They also have that large ballroom that would accomodate a lot of sleeping bags for "camping out."

Jim Bob and Gil, as fathers, would only allow their children to become engaged (sons and daughters) if their intendeds could support them. That being said, if Zach is the groom, he'd have to be able to support Jana--can he? And if John-David is the groom, can he support Erin? From what I can tell, neither groom seems to have a solid financial foothold yet and in their faith that is a pretty serious tenant. However, I'm all for Jana and Zach--they seem far better matched than John-David and Erin.

pumpkin said...

The preview shows them staying at the rental home and shows Jim Bob washing his hair in the sink because of the 1-shower issue.

If my friends and potential inlaws were going through a move and a premie, I might send money, or arrange for a cleaning service, or even visit on my own... but I would not introduce 17 more children to an already packed house. That's just crazy talk.

msrylee said...

Is Josie still in the hospital at the time of the visit from the Bates family? There has been a question regarding the Bates being allowed to visit her in the NICU. Anyone know the time-line of their visit?

B said...

I wonder are they going to have fifty people sharing two bathrooms like they did during the construction project on the Bates home? That was just gross.

I know this is all for tv, but it would drive me up a wall to have all those people in my house, especially all those kids running around.

cheshirecat said...

I too would rathe see Jana and Zach than John-David and Erin or Michaela. I think Jana deserves a new life, her own home, and no little kids for a few months at least.

Jana is very motherly, but I totally feel that Michelle takes advantage of her sweet nature. She needs to just be twenty for awhile.

Snap! said...

I noticed in the promo Gil Bates says we have 36 kids under one roof and only one bathroom! Did Josh, John David and Joseph come to Little Rock- that would make 35 if all the Bates kids showed up- Josie wasn't home yet.

Anonymous said...

As to the possibility that a number of the children might sleep on the Duggar bus during the Bates' visit -- if that does happen, I hope that either Mr. Bates or JimBob also sleep on the bus with the kids. I remember a poster (either here or elsewhere) saying that the rented home in Little Rock is not in the best part of town.

I also find it surprising that a) the Bates would descend en masse on to the Duggars when they are just bringing home a preemie from the hospital; and b) that the Duggars would want to have such a crowd visit at that time. Just seems like poor timing.

Perhaps their visit was timed to occur while Josie was still in the hospital. I hope so. Still, as guests, the Bates' timing is inconvenient to say the least and shows a lack of awareness.

Anonymous said...

The rental home actually has four bathrooms but only one working shower and I believe one bathtub. Another shower leaked to the room below as they discovered when they first moved in. For those who are worried about the Duggars wrecking this historical home, I suspect it was well on the way before they ever got there.

Jose was still in the hospital when this was filmed. For those who havn't heard she is now back in the hospital for constipation caused by the additive to her bottles of breast milk that was supposed to help her gain weight. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20360188,00.html

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Are the Bates visiting them in their rented house? Perhaps that house is big enough for two families. The kids love each other from the two families so I do not think it is a matter of being cheap but more of a matter the want to be together 24/7.

Anonymous said...

The Bates do have their own tree service business in TN, maybe Zach could start the same business in Arkansas! I really doubt Jim Bob would let one of his daughters to live in another state!

Marybeth said...

If you remember back to the Bates family visit during the ice storm, Gil describes their visit as Jim Bob practically begging them to come. Gil said that he kept saying "no, you don't want us to come up and fill your house up, it would be too much of an inconvenience to you all" or something along those words. But Jim Bob kept insisting for the Bates to come visit.

The Bates wouldn't just show up on the Duggar doorstep without a proper invitation. I'm sure the Duggars extended an invitation to them and the Bates, again asked "are you sure???" Afterall, if they weren't sure the Duggars wanted them when there was an ice storm, I'm sure Gil would wonder if they'd want them during this stressful time in their lives.

Anonymous said...

I think the Bates have become unwillingly partcipants in the circus, but they are in too deep.

In regard to the girls dating- who would pick the duggars as a possible match? Who would their child's every move rto be filmed then analyzed over and over?

Anonymous said...

In regard to the girls dating- who would pick the duggars as a possible match? Who would their child's every move rto be filmed then analyzed over and over?

Actually most people that watch the show probably don't realize that their are people who sit on the computer analyzing every move that is made and every word that is said. Most of the viewing audience watch for enjoyment, not to critique.

I would think that in the Christian community to which they belong these young people would be considered very desirable as future mates. If the girls aren't "courting" yet it may be just because they were, like Anna waiting until they were 20. Jana just turned 20 in January I believe.

As for the boys, the prequisite for getting married and starting a family is to be able to show the ability to support said family. John David has started a new business fairly recently after "helping out" his brother Josh for a period of time. They may be and quite likely are working out of the same location. It takes time to build up any kind of business and 20 is pretty young for any man to consider married. He may not be as precocious that way as his big brother. As a Christian mother I would certainly consider him as a desirable future husband for one of my daughters if they weren't already happily married!

Bingy's blog said...

Just a thought,
The whole reason they have 19 kids is because they believe they accidentally had an abortion because of birth control with their first child. Will they look at poor Josie in the same light? Their choices led to a fragile baby. Maybe they'll finally stop.

Anonymous said...

The Bates live in Clinton, Tennessee. It is a very rural part of Anderson County.

Celestie said...

In my opinion, they are all too young to get married. This isn't a soap opera, it is people's lives. My wish would be for all of the girls to have some time to grow up, without the burdens of childcare. These golden years can not be relived. This is the time for them to stretch their wings a bit. As for John D, he looks like a boy. What woman would want to marry a child? Give him and the other boys time to fill out and at least look like men, before they have be big daddy to a houseful of kids.

Cyn said...

Anonymous said...

The Bates live in Clinton, Tennessee. It is a very rural part of Anderson County.


Clinton TN is the COUNTY SEAT, it is not rural. It's where The county court house is, and where all county business is done. The Bates live in Lake City which is close to Clinton and is located in Anderson County; TLC has said Clinton in their little balloons. They attend church on Clinton Hwy at a small baptist church. The Bates also perform at Ciderville Music, which is aired on the local TV station.

I grew up in Anderson County. I've spent all of my childhood and most of my adult life in the area.

MeToo said...

Anonymous said...
The Bates do have their own tree service business in TN, maybe Zach could start the same business in Arkansas! I really doubt Jim Bob would let one of his daughters to live in another state!

4/12/2010 5:18 PM

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Yeah..I know.....my dad told me I was not allowed to live in another state when I married my current husband but (horrors) I put on my BigGirl panties and moved anyway -defying my father.

I am now 48 and he still won't speak to me because my mom was pregnant with my 30th sibling when I left and they are still pissed.

Anonymous said...

I looked up the population of Clinton TN and it is only 9,000+ that is rural. Just because it is the county seat doesn't mean it isn't rural.

Lake City only has 1,800+ in population. My children's high school has more students than Lake City does. The population of our city is higher than Anderson County alone. The area that the Bates live in seems rather rural to me.

Anonymous said...

30th sibling????? You should have been the ones with a TV show. Wow how many twins did she have?

Anonymous said...

Something that I just thought of is - if there's only one shower and JB was washing his hair in the sink, that means all of the people weren't able to shower before visitng Josie. It just makes the sanitation issue that much worse.

Hannah said...

why wasnt anyone watching the boys when they were jumping and beating eachother up with the plastic swords.


"cubby" bates. why dont people tell the lil guy thats not nice to say?


what baby was amy holding?

Anonymous said...

I'm watching the episode, and I have to say that I absolutely love Kelly Bates. I'm watching her talk about Josie, and she almsot made me cry. She's such a sweet spirit.

Anonymous said...

I am much more inspired by the Bates than the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

I think it's funny watching the family praying at the end of the episode, and JB turned to Gil and said, "We've had a great time with the Bates." He was talking to a Bates - what a weird way to phrase it.

Anonymous said...

Okay, I am usually one of the first to snark at this show...

But I truly loved this episode. It had nothing to do with the Duggars, but I love love love the Bates. Kelly is so wonderful and I loved watching them get to meet baby Josie. I was so happy to hear Gil pray for the nurses as well... finally someone is giving them kudos.

This episode just left me with such a warm feeling. I do wish the Duggars were more like the Bates... more wholesome, and more loving. I was lost in my happy little bubble watching this episode, and then I heard Jim Bob's booming voice and was reminded how much I dislike him, but love Gil!

As well, holy cow I wish that little Jackson Bates was my son. He is the sweetest little boy ever!

Anonymous said...

Gil and Kelly Bates kept saying how the Duggars begged and begged them to come visit them in Little Rock.

I wonder if the Duggars are trying reeeeeal hard to hook up some of their kids with the Bates?

Anonymous said...

Ahha!! So now we see why the older kids are looking, and speaking more normal recently. Looks to me like their new modern church is rubbing off on them.

babysteps said...

Groggy Josh again. I tell you he needs a physical!!

Has anyone noticed that Trace "Chubby" Bates looks like Jeremiah Duggar? I think he is really Jeremiah's twin and Jedediah is actually a Bates. Mix-ups happen sometimes. LOL

Jessica said...

Nice episode I guess, I wasn't shocked when they announced Kelly was pregnant with number 18..let's hope she has no complications.

I'm surprised they went to that church, definitely different than they are used to.

Amy was holding Mackynzie at the church btw

babysteps said...

Next week's episode is about Amy, Anna and Josh? That is going to be maxed-out annoying. I might skip that one.

Anonymous said...

You know, I'm kind of a snarker too - but I actually enjoyed this episode.

I think it was the Bates that did it for me. I was truly touched by Mrs. Bates crying at the sight of Josie and the catch in Mr. Bates' voice when he was praying.

Just hope that the Bates don't get caught in the TLC trap.

And enough with Josh just waking up! He's a BORE!

Anonymous said...

I think the Duggars were like the Bates at one time. The show and fame has gone to their head.

I do like the Bates better, however, if we saw them more like we do the Duggars I think there would be a lot of things we didn't like about them.

Too bad it took Kelly's emotions to bring them out in Michelle. I haven't seen Michelle as emotional as she was with Josie today.

I wonder if Kelly just walks off a sidewalk and hopes she doesn't get hit by a car. Hopefully she takes precautions and looks both ways first before she steps off the sidwalk. Yes accidents happen, but a lot of accidents can be prevented with some precautions.

It is obvious the younger kids haven't been in a church very often or taught how to behave. I can certainly understand Jordyn and even Jennifer needing to go to the cry room but really Johanna is old enough to be able to sit through a church service. I wonder how many other children are in that church because it looked like it was only the Duggars and Bates that used the cry room.

That was just way too many people staying in that house. It looked like there was probably plenty of room but not enough facilities for all those people.

Is the Bates house not finished yet? It looked like they were still working on it with the little girl playing with the saw dust. It has been almost a year since they started that project. It is too bad Jim Bob just doesn't pay someone to finish what he started.

Red Line said...

I just love the Bates. They kinda take this show back to its "roots". A humble family that seems to genuinely love their family and not the attention.

Honestly Michelle just frustrates me more and more. Why was she crying in this episode but not, say, the first time she ever held Josie? I feel that she was just 'feeding' off of Kelly's real emotions.

I NEVER thought I would ever say anything negative about Michelle. I used to love her to death.. but I dont know.. she's changed. For the worse, I hate to say (really). I think the "change" started to become apparent around the time of 17 kids and counting.

I just think TV and fame are poison to even the best of people.

Anonymous said...

Michelle looks pregnant again.

my three sons said...

I wonder if there's a claus in the contract that Josh & Anna have to appear in a certain amount of episodes. Why in the world would they need to be there when the house is already overflowing? They also said Amy, Deanna and Grandma came for a surprise visit. Again, we hadn't seen Amy or her mom since they were part of the mass visit when Josie was first born. I guess they had given Grandma a break and it was now time for her to report back for duty.

Anonymous said...

Please please...enough with Josh just rolling out of bed...well..not even out yet..but you notice he's getting more sleep these days...when he lived over in Duggarville he was always up and at 'em with the rest....my how things change.....poor Anna.

Anonymous said...

I definitely agree that if we saw the Bates all the time not only would they probably change as well but we would become more critical of them when we saw more of their lives. However, I absolutely couldn't believe the contrast between the Bates and Duggars in this episode. I never realized how much Michelle has changed, but Kelly was SO much more appealing and likeable than Michelle. Seeing the two together really put it in perspective for me.

Cyn said...

I looked up the population of Clinton TN and it is only 9,000+ that is rural. Just because it is the county seat doesn't mean it isn't rural.

Lake City only has 1,800+ in population. (snipped for space) The area that the Bates live in seems rather rural to me.
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Where the Bates live in IS rural.

My sister lives in a Rural area... It takes her 20 min to get to a gas station any which way she leaves her house, it's 25-30 min to a grocery store, and 45 min to an actual city of any size. This is the type of area the Bates live in as well. They are not living in the city limits; it's just the closest city. They are back in a holler (I'm from there I can call it what I want :p)

Here was the definition I was taught of Rural:
Rural areas are large and isolated areas of an open country (and back in the hollers), often with low population density. The terms "countryside" and "rural areas" are not synonyms: a "countryside" refers to rural areas that are open. A forest, wetlands, etc. with a low population density is not a countryside.

Neither Lake City nor Clinton qualifies as “isolated” as they are within 45 min of Knoxville in some areas and other smaller cities are no more than 15 min away on the hwy's . They are at intersections of major hwy's as well, they get tourist visitors every year. Both are close to state parks, are also on the 'scenic' hwy's. They aren’t spread out over any large distance (unless 10 miles is large area for a city?). Branching out onto some of the Hwy’s around those cities it can get rural quickly but again that would depend on the direction you were going. Small town definitely… low population definitely (living inside city limits)…. but they are cities in their own right.

The people live in the county and work in the city, eat in the city, and shop in the city but we ain't paying city and county property taxes just to LIVE in the city. City limits population may be 9k /2k (and I think that might be low) but the amount of people going in and out of those cities on a daily basis is around 25-75k depending on the season (highest in the summer might be even more for both cities).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton,_Tennessee They missed a few hwy's coming into Clinton.

I did a 45 mile daily RURAL paper route in the Claxton/Clinton/Knox area; trust me when I say I know what rural means LOL. The cities are in the valleys or a flat place where we could fit them in. The people are back in the hollers, and hills.

Ann said...

I also find after seeing Kelly and Michelle together, the great changes that have happened in Michelle.
I had been reading up on the Bateses story. They just moved into that house 3 years before Jim Bob started the remodel. I thought that they had lived in that tiny house all thier married lives. Gil had a "normal" job working for nabisco after college and they had a nice house. Then years later he left his job and started his business and they moved to a rental home, and then a 4 years ago moved to the small house in that Jim Bob started the remodel on 1 year ago. I wonder how the older Bates kids feel with such a change in lifestyle.

Cyn said...

But how many of those parents comfort their child? maybe give them a hug and kiss and tell them to never ever did that again, etc?

Having not seen this episode but from the comments MD acted as if nothing happened.
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The camera guy went with JimBob, down the concourse, to where they thought the child was. While the camera man was gone with JimBob Michelle and the others had gotten the child back. (It's what JimBob is telling the camera man on the way back up)

We do not know what that reunion looked like. Only what the camera man shot AFTER he got back with JimBob. Nor do we know how long after the camera man got back did he take those minutes of film.

YES they were wrong to let the child go off to the bathroom unattended by either JimBob or John David. But we also do not have the reaction of Michelle when Jackson was brought back to her either. Only what the camera man shot after they got back to the scene. (and only snippets of that)

Anonymous said...

LOL...the Duggars seem so "worldly" and modern-looking compared to the Bates!

I was thinking about the contrast between Michelle Duggar and Kelly Bates' personalities; Kelly is I think more naturally outgoing than Michelle. But also, when I think about Michelle's description of how she worked super hard in school to be nice and popular (trying to overcome the guilt of a minor misdemeanor), I think that she is something of a pleaser and she tries to be whatever she needs to be to keep everything going smoothly. And it could be that she is just naturally very even-keeled.

I disagree that she has been too unemotional with Josie...we saw plenty of choke ups, particularly in the first few weeks when Josie's condition was more touch and go and she was getting things poked into her all the time. After that they developed a routine, where there is some sort of 'normal' but I think that Kelly Bates' visit reminded her that she had a "miracle baby" and felt freshly overwhelmed.

Anonymous said...

I think it's GREAT that the Duggar kids are being raised on classical music, but I was surprised that they seemed so unfamiliar with the Christian pop/worship music at that church in Little Rock. That's standard fare at most churches I've attended that aren't mainline Protestant, unless they divide into a "traditional" service and a "contemporary" one.

Anonymous said...

It is obvious the younger kids haven't been in a church very often or taught how to behave. I can certainly understand Jordyn and even Jennifer needing to go to the cry room but really Johanna is old enough to be able to sit through a church service

Just my opinion but I'd say it depends. If you are taking the two youngest kids to the cry room why not take the one just older? How long is the service? How long is the sermon? There is a reason that many churches provide nursery through age four and children's church from five through ten.

Depending on the service and the child it may be asking a lot of them to be still and quiet. I've been known to walk out on some 60 minute sermons.

Anonymous said...

On a regular day I am not an emotional person but seeing Kelly Bates cry at the sight of Josie really touched me. Her words and actions seemed so sincere. I thought think Michelle was being fake. I think sometimes it takes the emotion and reaction of others for one to realize how truly fortunate they are. Michelle was probably reacting to Kelly's emotion and truly began to take the situation. I know I did. I cried right along with them.

The Bates have beautiful children. I was secretly hoping for a courtship announcement for at least Jana and the oldest (Zach I think) Bates boy. I think Jana is very deserving of a life of her own. She is so sincere and mothering to her sibilings. I would hate to believe that she is being forbidden from courting so that she can stay at home and help out.

MOM IN TEXAS

Jean said...

I love The Bates. Not that I think the Bateses fashion sense has caught up to the Duggars, I found it interesting that Zach Bates was wearing a current shirt. I can't believe I am looking so close at fashion. When the kids were playing ping pong in the begining of the episode, Zach was wearing a USA shirt. We just had a neighbor come back from serving overseas and I bought that shirt 2 weeks ago at Kohls for my husband and several others to wear at the homecoming. It is the exact same shirt, paused my dvr and held my husbands up to the tv. As much as I don't want the Bates to change as much as the Duggars have I would like to see the Bates girls get a 2010 clothing item if the boys get them. Even if it is a new long denim skirt!

Anonymous said...

Jana doesn't "need" to be courted by a Bates boy in order to have a life of her own. She's 20 years old, hardly a spinster.

Yes, Michelle looks pregnant again.
I'm sure we'll have an announcement again, in the ob/gyn's office. Maybe something like, "Oh, Easter Sunday !" (instead of Father's Day this year).


The Duggars must not realize that sometimes God sends us little "warnings". Josie's fragile state is a huge warning to stop having babies now.

Anonymous said...

Mom in Texas said:
"The Bates have beautiful children. I was secretly hoping for a courtship announcement for at least Jana and the oldest (Zach I think) Bates boy."

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That Zack Bates is very handsome - he and the lovely Jana would have some beautiful children. I still think they are all too young to get married, but at least Jana and John David seem more mature and settled than Josh was/is. I'm sure Josh is a nice young man, but he comes across as immature. It's hard to believe he is already a father.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

They said that the church they are used to sing "hymns" not these contempory songs. While most churches do not sing many hymns there may be a few that do. It may be that the church they attend is an extension from their own homechurch. That is what I think as they mentioned recently when one of their sons was fixing up something that needed tending to that it was a place where there once home church meets.

Swissmiss said...

Kelly getting choked up at the sight of that tiny baby affected me also.

I had to laugh when one of the older Duggar kids said they got up and greeted the Bates family when they arrived and then they went back to bed.

Those kids are in for a big shock if they have to take a 'real' job in the outside world. The outside world doesn't run on 'Duggar time.'

The older boy's car lot doesn't open until 10 a.m. He's got it easy.

Amanda said...

I love the Bates family as well and hope they stay the way they are. Hopefully, they will opt to do occasional specials instead of a series if offered. Also, did anybody see Michelle or JimBob hold Mackenzie in last night's episode? I feel so bad for Anna, knowing how proud you are of as a new mom and wanting to share the joy of your baby w/ family and esp. gradparents. I do realize that what we see is just a snipet of their lives but I kept hoping I would see Mackenzie in Michelle's arms at leas once.

Anonymous said...

Michelle most definately looks pregnant again. Could this be possible? I am hoping it is just baby weight she hasn't lost, but Josie was born so early how much could she have gained?

Anonymous said...

Oh my, isn't Kelly Bates a sweet, sincere, and genuine person. Her love and tenderness for Josie and all babies was palpable through the television. These are sure some down-home, likable folks.

I think if a matchup between any of the older Duggars and Bates was going to happen, it seems like it would have manifested itself by now.

Celestie said...

I enjoyed this episode, because it showed the little guys, being boys and doing boy things outside. It makes me wonder, however, why they needed the Bates there to finally get to play in that large fenced yard. They have enough boys of their own to play "warriors", cowboys and Indians, star wars, king of the castle etc.. Thought it was cute with them sitting in trees and talking about the view. Very, very normal boy behavior. Wonder why the one boy was left behind in the tree and some one else (camera crew?) had to help him, when everyone else ran off.
Also enjoyed the scenes of the girls visiting together in one of the bedrooms, like your normal teenage girls. Too bad they had to also take care of the little ones, during this otherwise relaxing time. They looked prettier without all that make up, they usually wear.

Also saw that the Bates dressed for church, while the Duggars wore they same clothing they wear daily. As usual, Jana was seemingly uncomfortable about being in a strange place, although it was said, they had being going to this church since being in Little Rock. I don't see anything unusual about the oldest/younger girl going in the cry room. She seems like an adventurous soul, who wanted to explore her surroundings.

What was that thing on Mac's head? You don't see that many centerpieces that elaborate. And why do we have to see slothful Josh, again?

JB was his usual inarticulate self, when trying to tell Gil what to pray for, and what he was going to pray for. Can not, the man get one sentence out, in a straightforward way?
Anyone notice how much Kelly and Michelle look alike? Body shape, clothing, hair and submissive posture? They both look like healthy, well rested women, so probably can produce many more babies. Guard the landfills, more diapers coming.

I also noticed that Gil really helped with the round up of kids and belonings, unlike ol' JB, who usually stands around looking smug, and somewhat confused.

Did all of the Bates travel in that one van? Aren't there about 17 or 18 of them?

Again, I hope there is no courtship, but I fear they are leading up to that. And it is Jana.

Anon 3:14 said...

Note to TLC Producer Sean:

You're not helping enhance the reputation of Josh Duggar when you keep showing him just rolling out of bed while his wife is already up and dressed.

DianeD said...

Again with the awkward one-armed sideways "hug" (during the church segment). It annoys me every time they do it. I've seen handshakes that look more warm and sincere. When close family members cannot even embrace each other...that's odd.

DianeD said...

Maybe the Duggars are bringing the Bates family into the show more often so that they (the Bates) can get appearance-time payments from TLC to help support their growing family. Especially as they just announced that Kelly is expecting.
Is the tree removal service really doing so well as to provide for such a large family?

babysteps said...

It was nice seeing the little boys play like boys. Get out there and rough it up. It's a good way to build confidence and leadership skills by playing games like that. And it looked like they didn't get to carried away. I didn't see anyone hitting another with a sword to hard.

It was also nice seeing the big boys play football. I thought they didn't know any sports after the baseball fiasco. Only broom ball.

I also was glad to see Michelle and Jim Bob dealing with the fussy girls and bringing them to the cry room themselves. Jim Bob looked like he really didn't want to be there but he did it. Yay!Way to parent!

Can anyone name all the Bates kids? I can only name about half.

Judy said...

I really doubt Michelle is pregnant again. I think she looks pregnant because she tends to dress in bigger, bulkier, less form fitting clothes. Even when not pregnant, her clothes make her look shapeless. And I doubt she will wait to tell us -- usually as soon as she takes the pregnancy test, she goes on the Today Show to announce it. In any event, eighty days after Josie's birth was the end of February, which was only six weeks ago. I doubt she would be showing much yet.

Anonymous said...

Zack, 20; Michaela, 19, Erin, 18; Lawson, 17; Nathan, 16; Alyssa 15; Tori, 13, Trace, 12; Carlin, 11; Josie, 10; Katie,9; Jackson, 7; Wardan, 6; Isaiah, 5; Addalle, 3; Ellie,2; Callie, 3 mo. My kids were interested so I looked it up. This is of course probably missing the latest one and the ages probably changed, but those are the names I could find for Bates.

Anonymous said...

I thought the boys were incredibly wild, playing with swords and bopping each other.

I think Michelle looks pregnant again too. She looked about this pregnant at the end with Josie, so could she just have not lost that pregnancy weight yet, or is her stomach permanently bloated?

I thought Kelly looked bloated and pale. I wonder if she cares about the incredible risk to her health, with her heart condition, in attempting another pregnancy.

If Michelle is pregnant again, after nearly dying last pregnancy, she really is tempting the fates, just as Kelly is.

Anonymous said...

Just a note for those who are saying Michelle looks pregnant - if she is on medication, it may be causing her to gain weight. I don't know what kind of medication she is on, but weight gain is a common side effect of medication, I have had problems with it myself (not for the same problems as her though). That may not be the case, but I thought I'd mention it as a possibility.

A.Million.Shades.of.Grey said...

"Too bad the Bates' are too cheap to get motel rooms instead of imposing on the Duggars during their time of stress."


If you listen to Mrs. Duggar they wouldn't have the Bates stay anywhere else. Some people actually receive a blessing from having frinds come visit and stay with them. These two families truely are as close as Family and will probably somewhere down the line be Family.

Anonymous said...

I really love the Bateses and have always thought Zach was attractive - but I have to say, for some reason both oldest boys in those families (Zach and Josh) look like bulky, 40 year old men! They at least don't look anything like other men in their early 20s that I know. It really looked like Zach gained some weight since we'd last seen him. Just a funny coincidence. It's also odd since in both families the next-oldest boys (John David and Lawson) are actually thin and YOUNG looking for their ages! Interesting.

Marybeth said...

I doubt Michelle is pregnant again. She probably hasn't been sticking to her usual post-pregnancy weight watchers plan because she's been so busy pumping breast milk. She's been eating and drinking a lot more than she usually does to compensate for the pumping. She probably hasn't gained anything, but she certainly wouldn't have lost any.

She's probably done some stress eating too. She mentioned that Jim Bob reverted back to his stress eating during this stressful and emotional time (from his recent weight loss at weight watchers) and it wouldn't surprise me if she gained a little bit from some binging as well--who wouldn't in that situation?

Marybeth said...

It's not surprising that their kids don't know how to behave in a "proper" church--their kids don't normally attend a "proper" church. They usually attend a "home" church--although it's no longer in their home. They have attended as guests before (at the Bates' church when they were visiting, for example,) but they aren't normal church-goers.

Jim Bob is also not a fan of "worldly" music, as he calls it. I'm sure that would include Christian music as well. Any music with a rock or pop sound, no matter what the words would be forbidden in his home. Why? They would inspire dancing and that's not allowed. So, no, their kids would not be familiar with that kind of music either.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoy seeing the Bates, too.

One difference between the Duggars and the Bates families is that both Gil and Kelly are college graduates (from Carson Newman). Erin is enrolled in a music program at Crown College, which unfortunately doesn't have a core curriculum. I also read that Zach received high ACT scores and is enrolled in college classes (though I don't know where).

I get the sense that the Duggar children don't feel inclined towards highter education because their parents didn't go that way. Maybe hanging out with the Bates children will inspire them in that respect.

Anonymous said...

Michelle doesn't annoy me. A lot of what she says sounds dogmatic, as though she's towing the conservative Christian party line (when she talks about the wholesome interactions between the girls and the boys). But the way she says it, it sounds as though it comes from the heart. It doesn't sound contrived or self-congratulatory --- which is how Josh comes off at times. But he's still young and hopefully life and experience will humble him a bit.

Anonymous said...

Again, I saw a toddler picking up a baby. In the cry room, Johannah was hoisting either Jennifer or Jordyn up onto a chair. The baby was almost as big as she was. Justin, the 7 year old who held Jordyn in the last episode may not have been a toddler, but Johannah holding a baby is unacceptable, IMO.

gracieally said...

Anonymous said...

Zack, 20; Michaela, 19, Erin, 18; Lawson, 17; Nathan, 16; Alyssa 15; Tori, 13, Trace, 12; Carlin, 11; Josie, 10; Katie,9; Jackson, 7; Wardan, 6; Isaiah, 5; Addalle, 3; Ellie,2; Callie, 3 mo. My kids were interested so I looked it up. This is of course probably missing the latest one and the ages probably changed, but those are the names I could find for Bates.

4/14/2010 1:18 PM
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Thanks for the info anon. Is Carlin a girl or boy? I haven't heard of that one.

Amanda said...

I have been reading comments and I have to really ask if everyone is seeing the same episode I saw? I can't believe the comments made. We only see a snippet of their lives and I am sure Michelle and the family has shed many tears over Josie that we haven't saw. If more folks were like the Duggars and Bates this world would be such a better place. I enjoyed the show very much. But then again I enjoy most of the episodes.

evie said...

The Duggars will receive an outpouring of negativity if they get pregnant again anytime soon. It would be awful for their "PR" image. They are now in the public eye and are getting a lot of media attention. Everyone knows about Michelle's high risk pregnancy and Josie's condition. Her getting pregnant again would be met with tons of hostility. I'm willing to bet they won't be getting pregnant for a while.. Jim Bob is too business savvy to let their media train come to an end too soon.

Believe me.. after 19 kids.. a woman knows her fertility like the back of her hand. Don't tell me they are ignorant when it comes to conception. They know exactly what they are doing.

Ally said...

This is in regards to the comments about Michelle being too unemotional, and showing fake emotion when Kelly cried when she saw Josie.

Michelle in my opinion has to be strong, and is maybe being a little too strong right now. I mean we constantly want to see her crying her eyes out right? But the emotion has been there in past episodes, where she wondered what she could do to help Josie.

Kelly on the other hand, that we know of, saw Josie for the first time ever, and I'm sure it's very emotional for anyone to have seen her the first time, it just absolutely takes your breath away. This is, in my opinion, what happened with Kelly.

Just like when Michelle saw Josie the first time, and said How can life be sustained in one so small, she was completely upset, and has done so much to help Josie. And it could be that Kelly is so supporting that Michelle felt she could cry with another mother figure, not that she hasn't cried with Jana, Jill, Jessa or Jinger, but it's different experiencing something like that with another mother.
I was sad to hear that Josie had to go back to the hospital.
Maybe they will see this as a sign to stop, and a warning, and that's personally what I have been praying for, they stopped using contraceptives when they miscarriages, but they were given another chance this time.

We should all pray for them to see this as a sign, that there needs to be only 20 Duggar children, yes I'm counting the miscarriage.

Cyn said...

Both of the previous comments are assuming there is a motive to the Duggars getting pregnant, good or bad, and I do understand why people think that way...

The Duggars have continuously and ad nausea-um said that God is in control of Michelle's getting pregnant again. They believe that if GOD doesn't want them to get pregnant again Michelle won't. God will 'close her womb' and the Duggars are not going to interfere with it one way or another.

They aren't going to change their mind and use "Josie" as a sign nor do they care what the public thinks.

As for it being 'detrimental' to their image:

It won't to the people they are going to go talk to in July.

It won't to the people in the churches that have them come to speak. Trusting in God, finances, and child rearing is what the Duggars are asked to speak about.

It won't to the people that matter to the Duggars, and if it does matter to the people closest to the Duggars it's not going to stop them. G'pa Duggar told them for years to flat out he didn't like it. "She ought not have any more", "this should be it" were both quotes of G'pa's and they continued anyway.

Anonymous said...

The reason that Michelle Duggar likes having the Bates family stay with them, versus a hotel, is that the Bates family "does all the work".

That is an exact quote from an earlier episode.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars will receive an outpouring of negativity if they get pregnant again anytime soon. It would be awful for their "PR" image. They are now in the public eye and are getting a lot of media attention. Everyone knows about Michelle's high risk pregnancy and Josie's condition. Her getting pregnant again would be met with tons of hostility. I'm willing to bet they won't be getting pregnant for a while.. Jim Bob is too business savvy to let their media train come to an end too soon.

So now they're damned if they do and damned if they don't! If they get pregnant again again they are horrible parents and horrible people who just don't know when to stop even after having this small preemie and are just testing fate. If they don't get pregnant again it must be because of Jim being so "media savvy" and the fear of a public outcry.

I don't think the public outcry could actually be a lot worse than it has been this time and I really doubt it will sway their decision. i think the only thing that would cause them to prevent another pregnancy would be Jim's fear of losing his beloved wife.

On another topic; I didn't notice one of the toddlers picking up a child in the "crying" room at church, but if one did thatwould be a very common thing in any family if you watch what is happening around you. Little kids are always attempting to pick up younger siblings. Actually JoHanna isn't really a toddler, she is four and a half. That really doesn't meet the definition of toddler.

Mrs. Lazaro said...

I just adore Gil Bates. He is everything that JB is not, IMO: genuine, warmhearted, helpful, humble...

(I also think he is incredibly handsome.)

Anonymous said...

Wait, did I hear Kelly B state that there's no point in worrying about subsequent pregnancies even in their 40's 'because we could all get hit by a car any day' and they should just continue on trusting god will take care of them (elderly moms and late babies) (paraprhasing)?

Interesting logic, considering so many other things are worried about way beyond reason: music, dancing, premarital kissing, normal feminine attire, going to public school, etc., etc., etc.

Still searching for any shred of logic in this mindset. Why not adopt the 'god will take care of us' and 'our values are strong' with day to day life - seems a far more logical and less threatening possibilities than continued pregnancies for her and MaDuggar.

pumpkin said...

Regarding Michelle appearing pregnant...

When the girls went to Springdale, Jill commented that Michelle had only taken maternity clothing with her to Little Rock and one of the things the girls were doing back at the "big house" was picking up some normal clothes for her to wear.

It could be that she doesn't have too many options to wear that are not maternity clothes, so sometimes she probably does wear maternity clothing and that could contribute to her pregnant-look.

I don't believe that she is currently pregnant.

babysteps said...

The Duggars and Bates explained in this episode about their baby making philosophy. They will keep having babies if that is what God wants. Even if there could be health risks. Kelly said who knows you could step off a curb and get hit by a bus tomorrow. I guess she means you've got to have faith and trust God. We may not agree with their philosophy but that is their right as long as they can take care of the children properly.

Kliff said...

Jackson bates is awesome. I love that kid.

I am also amused at how the production team is poking fun at Josh by always showing him getting out of bed late and just being lazy in general. I get the feeling that the producers might not like Josh but are forced to include him when possible so they show him in his true form.

Gil and Kelly Bates are such sweet people. I don't get any of the strange vibes I get from the Duggar elders at times.

I really liked this episode.

Anonymous said...

@GracieAlly: "Wardan"??? Seriously???

Do they foresee a future in this poor kid's future as a prison guard? (yes, I know the spelling is different.)

Anonymous said...

To those who think Michelle looks pregnant you have to remember these episodes were taped when Michelle would have still been pregnant with Josie had she carried her to term. Sometimes when a woman gives birth to a baby very prematurely the body still looks and acts as if the baby was in the wound because it should be. I gave birth to a baby at around the same time Michelle did. Unfortunately my daugther did not survive. But for months my body still produced milk and went through stages as if I was still pregnant. Although I lost weight (I think it was because I was young and it was my first pregnancy) my body still preformed as if I was pregnant. It is quite tough psychologically because you know that you are no longer pregnant but your body doesn't seem to. It was hard for me to get through the lost of my child because of this. Maybe that's why Michelle "looks" pregnant to some of you. I personally don't think she does.

Anonymous said...

If the TLC producers truly do read this blog it could be that they are purposely showing things that spark controversy. After all, they have a built in viewing audience with all those who are looking for things to criticize on each episode. The so called "sister show" sure didn't lose in popularity when it had a lot of detractors, instead it gained in the ratings.

B said...

In regards to Michelle holding Mackynzie, Michelle doesn't even hold her own children so it's no big surprise she doesn't hold her granddaughter. At least Anna's parents seemed genuinely enthralled with the new addition.

As far as Johannah being in the cry room, I don't see that as wrong, even preschool age kids can get squirmy during church service.

And OMG, how cute is that Jackson Bates? Talk about a big personality!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Just because Michelle has stated that Mrs. Bates does a lot or all of the work when they come to visit does not mean that is WHY they are staying at their home. Can they not just be staying there because they HAVE the rooma nd that they ENJOY each other's company which is obvious in watching how the 3 groups of children interact. Why try to figure out "why" or make comments that the Bates are too cheap to get a place of their own. Can they not do anything without having someone project their own negative thoughts into the situation?

Anonymous said...

Bless that Grandpa Duggar, he was the only one in that family with a lick of common sense (i.e. they shouldn't have anymore) and now he's passed away.

Judy said...

Just one small correction on whether both Duggars say they trust God to choose how many babies they will have -- actually, only Michelle says this, I think. Whenever, in the past, I heard Jim Bob interviewed, he said he leaves whether or not to have any children to Michelle. It's Michelle who makes the decision. I remember that distinctly from a couple of past interviews.

Anonymous said...

To clarify my earlier post, I meant to say I gave birth to a baby who had the same gestational age of Josie (5 1/2-6 months along) not that I had the baby a few months ago. My daughter was born just as early as Baby Josie.

Marybeth said...

I don't know if anyone's noticed, but Jim Bob and Michelle have not been their usual cuddly selves in recent episodes. Michelle is focused on Josie and pumping and Jim Bob is focused on keeping the other kids minds occupied and keeping them from going stir-crazy (as they both should be so focused.)

My point being, I have to wonder if in this time of stress (or the months back when these episodes were filmed) if they were not turning to each other in such an intimate way. Afterall, in the past 10-15 years, their lives have been pretty darn skippy and this is the first time they've had to face anything so "in your face" frightening. You have to wonder how they would react. While some couples would turn to sexual intimacy to ease the pain, I don't see that in the Duggars, as we haven't even seen them holding hands (except the Duggar DJ thing.)

In addition, we haven't seen where they are sleeping. Back home they have their little love nest that's private, but in the rent house, they could be sharing with kids. Michelle also has to get up every 4 hours to pump--that doesn't lead to much intimacy. Getting up to hook up to a machine in another room isn't the same as getting a baby from a crib to nurse in the same room.

Ms. B said...

I loved this episode!!I thought the boys little war scene was hilarious! I rewound and watched it over again, just too cute!!
By far the best part of the episode for me was one interview with Johanna and Jackson talking about the crying room at church and I quote:
Jackson: "What was up there? Toys?"
Johanna: "No, just books and stuff"
Jackson: "What kind of books?"
Johanna: "Like the books you find at church"
Jackson: "the GOOD books?"
Johanna: "yes"
HAHA, I literally LOLed

Ms. B said...

Oh and in response to Anonymous:
"I do wish the Duggars were more like the Bates... more wholesome, and more loving."

Seriously? what show were you watching? I think the Duggars are the epitome of wholesome and loving families. That's why they have a show! (I mean they certainly don't have a show because of their charisma, haha)

Anonymous said...

babysteps said:
guess she means you've got to have faith and trust God. We may not agree with their philosophy but that is their right as long as they can take care of the children properly

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See, this is where the issue gets complicated for me. Mrs. Bates had some pretty significant health issues with her last pregnancy. I've read comments that indicate if things had suddenly worsened, she might have faced death.

As a parent, I feel my greatest responsibility is to provide for my child, and that includes taking good care of my own health so that I can take the best care of my child. If I had serious complications from having him, and knew that the chances were pretty high I could face similar complications (life-threatening ones) if I got pregnant again, then as my child's parent - I owe it to him not to take that risk.

Because if I take that risk and I die in giving birth, I've left not one, but two children without a mother.

This is the reason I choose not to do a variety of things, such as bungie jumping, sky diving, driving recklessly, driving under the influence, walk alone at night, leave my doors unlocked, meet strangers from the internet, etc. I avoid known dangers because I owe it to my child to do what I can to assure I'll be there for him until he reaches adulthood.

That's my problem with the fundie idea of "leaving it up to God" in this particular instance. God gave us more than wombs to bear children. He gave us minds, good common sense, maternal instincts, and free will to make reasoned decisions.

Furthermore, can you imagine the lifelong burden of being a child who "killed" your own mom just by being born? Because trust me, that's what you'll never forget for your entire life -- my mom died giving birth to me. Gee thanks.

Anonymous said...

See, I think the Duggars have a show because of JimBob's combined need for public acknowledgement of how great he is, and for money to help raise this huge brood. Those two traits met up with TLC's need for a reasonably attractive freaky family to film. When I say "freaky," that's because TLC seems to go for the extremes. LPBW, which spawned off a slew of "little people" shows; the one about the morbidly obese family; the tragic story of the Mermaid Girl, etc.

TLC is the modern day Barnum & Bailey Circus. Instead of the bearded lady, we see the "tree man,", instead of someone swallowing a sword, we get "19 Kids and Counting." TLC doesn't look for wholesome - they seek out the unusual, from the somewhat offbeat to the downright odd.

All we're missing is the barker calling out for folks to "step right up! See the lives of a QF/ATI family as you've never seen them before! What do they eat? What are their mating habits? All will be revealed!"

Anonymous said...

B said:
At least Anna's parents seemed genuinely enthralled with the new addition.

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I saw parts of an episode on youtube, when Josh and Anna fly back to Florida with the baby. It was so cute to see how Anna's mother just couldn't wait to hold that little baby! And her dad was just as cute, peeking over his wife's shoulder, big smile on his face.

But I noticed again that Josh is getting a paunch in his mid section. If he doesn't work on keeping trim and fit in his 20's, it will only be that much harder to do so as he gets older. Even his dress shirt collar seemed tight around his neck (when they went to church).

Anonymous said...

I want to know how many people just walk off a sidewalk with the faith that they won't get hit by car? Don't most people use precaution by looking both ways first? If you look both ways and see it is clear and step off only to have a speeing car come up and hit you at least you used precaution. No one would stand in traffic and think if I am suppose to live God will not let me get hit. Most people wouldn't go out in a boat in the middle of a lake without wearing a life jacket or at least have them onboard. There are so many things people do on a daily basis to make sure they are safe. That is why I don't understand when someone says they leave it up to God even if you know there is a very good chance of complications or you have had a scare with your pregnancies like Michelle and Kelly both have had. It seems careless to do the things listed and I think it is careless to put your health at risk with another pregnancy. I believe that not only did God give me a uterus He also gave me a brain to use as well.

I happen to have been in a church with quite a few people who believe like the Duggars in regards to having children and I heard the same things from them.

Ohio Buckeye said...

The Duggars and Bates explained in this episode about their baby making philosophy. They will keep having babies if that is what God wants. Even if there could be health risks. Kelly said who knows you could step off a curb and get hit by a bus tomorrow. I guess she means you've got to have faith and trust God. We may not agree with their philosophy but that is their right as long as they can take care of the children properly."

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Point taken.

And by the same token, all of us have a right to express our opinion (even here on this blog) about these families and their lifestyle.

Nicole said...

Carlin is a girl. The spelling of Warden is indeed Warden, as in prison.

Unusual name choices, that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

re: "Carlin": apparently the Bates are unfamiliar with the great comedian, George Carlin. His standup routine about the ten commandments is a classic, though I'm doubting the Bates would understand the humor, muchless appreciate it.

Sad.

Anonymous said...

I scribbled down the names and then typed from my scribbles. Another site lists his name as Warden.

Anonymous said...

I grew up in Tennessee, too. In Oak Ridge.....the part of Anderson County that the Bates live in IS rural. My sister is a visiting nurse, and has been out there by their home.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Concering the remark that Josh made about no rug rats allowed in his AV room was not an attitude of him not loving his younger siblings. It is normal for a teen to want to have his space when it comes to his hobbies. He should have a place for him to have his AV and NOT want any rug rats. It was not a space for the smaller children. They have thier play spaces so why can he not have his place to do his "thing"? Having that attitude towards his AV room does not mean he is not "wholesome", it shows he is normal and wants some respect when it comes to his AV equipment.

Ally said...

"Both of the previous comments are assuming there is a motive to the Duggars getting pregnant, good or bad, and I do understand why people think that way..."

Being one of the 2 previous comments, I am responding. I am not assuming that they have any agenda with having the kids. I am very for the Duggars.

But it's my opinion, that 19 children especially with the miscarriage is enough. I mean isn't it just possible that God is trying to show Michelle and JB, that they've fulfilled having his children, and that they can stop.

The only reason why I say this, is because I was in a church that has beliefs that they have. And you don't know when to stop sometimes. You don't know when to let logic dictate your decisions. You don't always know that some behaviors due to beliefs are no longer good.

I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're brainwashed. But they are very giving and have a desire to follow the Lord, and do what he commands. But you also have to look for God telling you to stop.

It's like the story of the man who was on the top of his house in the middle of a flood, and God sent 3 people to help him, and then prayed to God, why didn't you save me? God said I was trying to help you. Sometimes a Christian person can't recognize when God is putting his hand out.

To me, I think the Lord is leading them into a new stage of life, and I could be wrong, and if God wants the Duggars to have 20 kids grow up, then I will rejoice and be glad for them. But what I pray for is really my choice, and this is really just my opinion.

Lesleigh said...

I was born and grew up in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. IKt is also part of Anderson County.

Just because Clinton is the County seat doesn't mean it is HUGE.

Clinton and Lake City are both very small. My sister is a Home Health nurse, and has driven past the Bates' home. It IS rural!

Anonymous said...

I love Jackson Bates!! This child makes me smile... Kelly & Gil are real humble people... No agenda like "shady jb"

Cyn said...

LOL Go wildcats. Class of 90. (Small small world)

My point was where the Bates live is Rural, I completely agree...

But Clinton and Lake City by definition are not RURAL. Smaller than most cities, and O.R. could swallow them both hole and not blink... but rural means isolated spread out, and low population. And low population is a subjective term.

Sorry hometown girl just got a bit defensive about those 2 cities being called rural :P

Celestie said...

Someone said: It is normal for a teen to want to have his space when it comes to his hobbies. He should have a place for him to have his AV and NOT want any rug rats

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Well golly gee, isn't this what many of us have been saying about the older girls, for sometime? They should have some privacy, but their room is filled with babies, toddlers, and preschoolers. And their beds are invaded by little boys frequently. What ever happen to that AV Room? Is it the Josh shrine or what? Couldn't they put the little girls in there and give the big girl some alone time.

Anonymous said...

I thought Jackson Bates was adorable when he was talking about how the trees have nice views and kept saying they have nice views and we climb in them and we "look out 'em."

Ms. B said...

Anonymous Anon 3:14 said...
If the Duggars are the epitome of wholesome and loving families, then why did Josh Duggar look into the camera during the episode where the family moved into the new house and say:
"This is my A/V room, no RUG-RATS allowed".
Not very loving.
Not very wholesome.
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One line on one show from a teenager ruins the wholesome and loving image of this family?
(honestly, i thought it was yet another example of how this family runs so smoothly, no young children are allowed near the expensive equipment, that makes sense!) Additionally children being childish and "hitting" each other ruins the image of this family? (the latest example of this being Johannah hitting Jackson with that snake; she was quickly told to say sorry! She's only three years old! She was not born with a perfect moral compass, it has to be learned)
Compared to EVERY OTHER reality TV show that I have ever watched, this family trumps over every one in terms of wholesomeness and loving each other, hands down. Pointing out brief moments where their human imperfection is shown, IMO, is insufficient to support the claim that they are not wholesome and loving.

Ally said...

"Johannah pounding her brother.

And then we have Michelle saying, "children will express themselves...."

More excuses for more bad behavior."

She also went on to say, they express themselves in ways adults would like to, but know better. They have to learn that's not acceptable behavior.

I agree, she admits that it's a problem, but they'll grow out of it. Kudos to Jackson, for not hitting back though, and getting in a fit with her. So it's proof that the Duggar Children do learn, but they're kids.

Marybeth said...

The older girls do have their own space off of their bedroom---a huge sewing room (like the AV Room, it would have been a walk-in closet in the original house plans.) Also both bedrooms have lofts for reading. There is also a "praying room" upstairs for quiet meditation. The Duggar's book has a map of their house plans.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

yes, many of you have been saying the older children need to have their privacy. They can have privacy from the little rug rats in other rooms. I do believe the girls have a sewing room in which I doubt if the little children can freely go in. As far as their bed rooms are concerned that was their choice before the house was built.

Anonymous said...

As far as their bed rooms are concerned that was their choice before the house was built.
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The house was completed in early 2006, when Jana & John David were 16. It took them about 3 years to build it. Despite what they say now, I'd be willing to bet sharing a bedroom sounded pretty neat when Jana was 13 and did not have cameras in her face but may be getting reaaaal old now that she is 20 and has her life on display for all to see. Plus, even in large, happy families like the Duggars, I'm sure that *most* young people today look forward to "aging out" of the clan to get some relative privacy and/or freedom at college or their own apartment.

Anonymous said...

I agree a 13 year just can't imagine what it will be like sharing a room with their younger siblings when they are 20.

Anonymous said...

You know, I just have a hard time believing the girls really wanted one big room for all of them to share in, plus their charges. I have a feeling that they were led to believe that was the choice they "wanted."

Furthermore, regardless of what they wanted years ago, if their parents would actually pay attention to the fact that their worker bees are growing up and might have changed their minds, they'd work on making some smaller bedrooms so the girls could have a private place.

But I know that won't happen, because JB and M do not really give a thought to the older girls. Well, really to any of their children much.

Anonymous said...

I've been following the comments regarding the Duggar and Bates family's commitment to having as many children as possible because they see children as blessings from God.

Pastor Mark Driscoll once said that just because something is a blessing doesn't mean you should endeavor to have as much of it as you possibly can (ie, you shouldn't covet blessings).

katskar said...

I LOVE the Bates family! I hope they take over the Duggar show

Preemie Mother said...

In answer to one of the first posts, "why were the Bates allowed in the NICU?", when my son was in the NICU we could take in any adults, two at a time, that we wanted. They did not have to be family. This was not a small NICU either - it was one of the largest and best in Austin, TX.

Preemie Mama said...

I have to say that when my son was born early I felt very disconnected from the situation. I think a lot of mothers do this in order to protect themselves from the "what-ifs?". My feelings are that when Mrs. Bates started crying it brought to the surface all of the emotions that Michelle had be pushing down in order to just survive. Unless you've been in a similar situation it's really hard to understand. I don't like everything the Duggars do but I won't pass judgment on Michelle for this.

AmyKB said...

I thought it was interesting that the television crew drove to TN to watch the Bates leave, LoL. And that Gil Bates refers to their lateness as being on "Duggar Time" hahaha. It's nice for Joy Anna, since there's more girls her age in the Bates family. It was a little more Bates-interview heavy than other episodes featuring that family, so that was interesting. Interesting comment by Michelle on the fact that there seem to be some random boy-girl feelings but nobody knows what may come of it. LMAO we see Josh laying in bed while everyone else is ready to go. Why do we care that the two families have logged 10,000 hours of church in 20 years? If the average family goes for an hour a week, they'd get 50 hours in a year, which is 1,000 hours in 20 years. Is the point that the Duggars spend 5x more time in church? And, of course, Josh looks uber-tired in service. I wonder what else the families did together on this trip, since they were there for seven days.

Anonymous said...

'I've been following the comments regarding the Duggar and Bates family's commitment to having as many children as possible because they see children as blessings from God.

Pastor Mark Driscoll once said that just because something is a blessing doesn't mean you should endeavor to have as much of it as you possibly can (ie, you shouldn't covet blessings)."

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Excellent point.

Chocolate cake can be considered a 'blessing', too, but anyone who ate an entire cake at every possible opportunity would probably fall into the category of 'glutton'.

Why not enjoy and truly savor each special bite of a cake slice/each special child vs. gorging yourself with an entire cake/pounding your chest about your righteous willingness to conceive at every possible opportunity?

Anonymous said...

Wonder how much the Bates get paid to be filmed with the Duggars? Wonder if any of their kids receive any of the $ for being filmed?

April Carroll said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...
They said that the church they are used to sing "hymns" not these contempory songs. While most churches do not sing many hymns there may be a few that do. It may be that the church they attend is an extension from their own homechurch. That is what I think as they mentioned recently when one of their sons was fixing up something that needed tending to that it was a place where there once home church meets.
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I beg to differ....... there are a good number of churches that sing hymns!!! I attend a fairly large church that certainly does and there are others just like it in the same city that where I live!

Cyn said...

Singing in the churches is completely church specific. Some churches sing nothing but the contemporary Christian Music. Others just as big and as numerous don't think THAT kind of music should be allowed in the church buildings. To be fair MOST churches do a combination of the two.

Of the last 4 churches I attended and or visited, one thought that the 'new christian music was of the DEVIL, and too wordly'.

2nd one did the Hymns for the older crowd at the first service, did contemporary at the second service, and the teen center rocked out on Sunday and Wed nights.

3rd one thought the hymns were old and outdated and they wanted new and fresh.

4th one combines both the hymns and contemporary in all their services and the teens do as well on Sunday morning but the evening services are strictly contemporary.

Size of the church didn't seem to matter either, it was what the people themselves wanted in their services.

Jen said...

on the topic of music:

The Duggar's said they sang hymns normally. It (they) seemed to imply the new Christian music was to worldly.

Some churches would consider the hymns sung by the Duggars as to worldly as they only sing Psalms in church. Some would consider having instruments to accompany church singing as worldly and inappropriate.

There are many opinions on the topic of music for church use.

I am happy to see that they Duggars were still willing to give a church a chance that had a bit of a difference of opinion in what was church singing.

It showed some open mindedness.

Will it change their opinion on hymns only? maybe maybe not.

Marybeth said...

Lots of Baptists spend most of their time at church. Did anyone ever see Steve Harvey speak of his growing up? Everyday revolved around church--Monday night Bible study, Tuesday night prayer meeting, Wednesday night young people meeting, Thursday night old people meeting, Friday night choir meeting, etc, and Sunday there were 2 services...yes it was a stand up routine but it was based on the truth. Most families in the south and of his generation based their lives around the church. Many faithful still do.

So if you include not just the Sunday service in morning and evening, but the Wednesday service, the inevitable Men's and Women's Bible study groups, the Youth groups, and the occasional guest speaker--you have more than 10,000 hours. Oh and let's not forget that the Bates Family was seen performing for their church so there must be practice times and if Erin is the pianist she then must attend practice times as well.

SherryinBA said...

I'm not from there, but a frequent visitor to the NW Arkansas area and was there this weekend. I know where Josh and Anna live. You can see the house from the interstate. The Christmas lights are still up and were lit. How does that reflect on Josh?

Anonymous said...

Just a note to posters who have said they never see Michelle holding Mackynzie , when they are in church right before Michelle walks out with Johanna, Michelle is sitting in the pew holding little Mackynzie. As for the Bate's staying with the Duggars and vis versa, growing up and even now when friends come into town or when we go places we stay with friend and they stay with us. I don't see it as being "cheap" I see it has getting to spend quality time with people I love....just my opinion. Also, in regards to the more contemporary music at the church they are attending, I was pleased to see that they choose a church with more upbeat music. I think that it goes to show that the Duggars are somewhat open minded and that they do expose their children to more than just their own "personal" belief system. They didn't mention anything about not liking the music, just that it was different than what they were used to.

Anonymous said...

"The Christmas lights are still up and were lit. How does that reflect on Josh?"

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Apparently The School of The Dining Room Table curriculum does not cover ecology.

Cyn said...

Christmas lights depending on the type are CHEAPER to run as out door lighting that the spotlight variety.

Are they the white string lights; as though costs pennies to run and light up an area quite nicely. The multi-colored flashing lights, cost more money and more energy to run.

As for "fitting into the home school ecology, it did quite nicely as it takes LESS energy to run the white strings as it would other outdoor lighting systems, and they are less than $.50 a string of 1000 in the after Christmas Specials.

Did it have a message, as I've seen signs "Jesus saves" and "Jesus (heart) You" in 'Christmas lights' all year round.

If it's big yard displays then it just proves that Josh is lazy, and hasn't put them up yet, not a new revelation about Josh.

grace said...

"I'm not from there, but a frequent visitor to the NW Arkansas area and was there this weekend. I know where Josh and Anna live. You can see the house from the interstate. The Christmas lights are still up and were lit. How does that reflect on Josh?"

That's so funny you mention that. I live in the area and just the other day, I was passing that house and thought "That looks like Josh and Anna's house. But why would they have Christmas lights up?"

It's just puzzling. It just looks tacky because it looks like you're too darn lazy to go take them down.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know that the Bates have a Josie,too...how cute!Josie and Jackson both have namesakes.

Anonymous said...

When JimB was gathering everyone to pray before the Bates' departure, he mentioned something along the lines of before they leave for the "happy hunting grounds". I believe that is a term (typically credited to American Indian, but not sure of the origin) used to refer to death/heaven? Seems like just another instance of JimB not choosing his words correctly!

Anonymous said...

JMO, comparing Xmas lights still on months after Xmas to spotlights or other even bigger energy users does not negate the lack of ecology-mindedness.

Comparing one thoughtless use of energy to an even bigger thoughtless possible waste of energy does not magically make the former less ecologically unaware or, worse yet, ecologically lazy.

SherryinBA said...

Regarding the Christmas lights still being on at Josh & Anna's house. They were Christmas lights. No question about it. For whatever reason, Josh hasn't gotten around to taking them down at his house. But why they turn them on, who knows?

Anonymous said...

Here is a thought about the lights. I know it is a stretch but you never know.

Some people do something in rememberance or honor of someone. People will have posters in their windows for soldiers who are over seas. Maybe, just maybe, they have left their lights up and turn them on as a reminder to remember Josie. Yes, I know it is a stretch.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Josh and Anna are intentionally using the Christmas lights for lighting outside. Who cares? Yes, they were Christmas decorations originally, but if they're cheap to run, what's wrong with turning them on to provide light since they're already up there?

Anonymous said...

SherryinBA said:
For whatever reason, Josh hasn't gotten around to taking them down at his house.

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This made me laugh :) I have a feeling Josh doesn't "get around" to doing a lot of things. He seems a particularly low energy 20-something who is turning into a paunchy 40-something before our very eyes.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Anna even has to take out the trash!

Anonymous said...

I'm not crazy about Josh,but a lot of ppl leave their lights up all yr long.why risk falling off the house again? but they did have the younger kids take then down at the cat lot,so maybe he just isn't into that kind of thing.

Cyn said...

JMO, comparing Xmas lights still on months after Xmas to spotlights or other even bigger energy users does not negate the lack of ecology-mindedness.

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The point is the WHITE string lights sold at Christmas are cheaper and better on the ecology than those spot lights, and lamp posts people use to light their yards.

We use and have seen others use those string lights all 12 months of the year only replacing them as they burn out. They take 2/3rds less energy, they are easier to replace, the bulbs actually last longer, and take up less space in the landfill when tossed. They can be plugged into switches, or put on motion sensors.

I freely admit to how 'tacky' or how 'redneck' they look, but I still want to know how they are (when used as I stated above) 'not ecology friendly'

We have already firmly established that JOSH is lazy, and a procrastinator of the highest order.

Anon. said...

JMO, comparing Xmas lights still on months after Xmas to spotlights or other even bigger energy users does not negate the lack of ecology-mindedness.

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The point is the WHITE string lights sold at Christmas are cheaper and better on the ecology than those spot lights, and lamp posts people use to light their yards.

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In this debate, gotta go with the first point - that comparing one ecology misstep to an even greater ecological misstep does not lessen the initial ecological blunder.

Just because 'things could be worse' does NOT mean things are ok.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Yes, Baby McKenzie does have piece ears as well as Amy. I have not noted if any of the Duggar girls have pierced ears. I was trying to look at the two smaller todders of the Duggars and I did not see their ears pierced.

I thought tonights show was less than entertaining.

I saw two different kitchens. One had white cabinet. I think that was in Josh's and Ans's home. Who lives in the house with the brown cabinets? Is that Amy's house?

Anonymous said...

The other house was Amy's parents.

Anonymous said...

The show with the Bates was about as I'd expect. Only a couple of points I'd make. The boys playing with homemade guns and swords outside and charging at each other. Nice. Also, Michelle in talking about the Bates' visit, repeatedly referring to "fellowship" and the kids "fellowshipping" instead of talking and visiting or hanging out. Fellowshipping? Weird.

Anonymous said...

'Fellowship' is normally discussed in conjunction with a church membership, such as an event held in the Fellowship Hall. It pretty much means visiting and hanging out, but involves prayer and a coming together for a specific event. I've never heard it used as a verb, such as fellowshipping.
I think Michelle's lack of aassociation with adults for 20+ years shows when she makes words up.

Cyn said...

Michelle didn't make it up, I've heard it all my life.

Fellowshipping' as verb means when groups of people get together to eat, pray, talk about God, talk about the bible, sing, play.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fellowshipping

Fellowshipping usually happens after church, and at yearly reunions, and church suppers. The Bates, and The Duggars and a few friends make up the size of some church congregations I have been in. We know when the Duggars and Bates get together they sing hymns, pray and read the bible. Fellowship doesn't just happen in the church building.

April Carroll said...

Just because you haven't personally heard a word used doesn't mean it's not a legitimate word! Thank you, Cyn for posting the link. I don't find Michelle Duggar to be unintelligent at all.

Anonymous said...

I'm in my early 20s and don't live a life similar to the Duggars' at all, but I've heard "fellowship" used as a verb many times. It's not a made-up word.

Anonymous said...

This is in response to those who have left comments saying that Michelle's high risk pregnancy ending with Josie being born prematurely was the result of her already having 19 kids....

Pre-eclampsia and eclampsia can develop in any pregnant woman regardless of whether or not she's already had several children. In fact, one of the highest-risk groups for developing it are FIRST time mothers who haven't had kids yet. A friend of mine developed eclampsia (with no pre-e symptoms), nearly died from the seizures, and had to deliver even earlier than Michelle and this was her first pregnancy. Are people going to criticize her if she becomes pregnant again? Of course not. My friend will be monitored by doctors more closely in the future if she does (as would Michelle), but if it's ok for her to have more kids then why not Michelle too?

If they do get pregnant again, it doesn't mean that Michelle is going to develop pre-eclampsia again. Yes, she is at a higher risk than someone who has never had pre-e before, but then again so is the mom with only 1 or 2 kids who also has developed pre-e.

We can't go blaming it on her having already had 19 kids...anyone who is pregnant can develop it.

Didi said...

Just a few thoughts...

1. We use the term fellowship in my church for basically anytime Christians get together. As long as we are glorifying God in our actions and speech - and we ALWAYS talk about God, struggles, sin at some point ;) - it's fellowship!

2. I was so excited they went to that church - to ME it shows that the Duggars are not trying to keep their kids from ever being friends with people who are at all different. And I am so grateful they are able to see past the rockier music and fellowship (there's that word ;)) and learn from the sermon and stuff. At my church we have a number of families who HATED the worship style (one man specifically disliked me because I dance, but I didnt know at the time ;)) but attended because they loved the teaching!

3. I think the girls DID choose to be in a room together - at least some of them. I had the choice of my own room or sharing and I ALWAYS chose to share. :) I also think that they DO get time to be "big girls" and not have babies hanging on them 24/7, but I could be wrong.

4. What I love about the Duggars is that they love Jesus FIRST and all other things come second. Meaning that if they believe that this show is a good way to witness (And come on - MOST of them love it! :)), they are willing to go against the judgements of a looot of people. They don't want TV, but they are willing to BE on tv to further the gospel, do better for their family monetarily, and have fun. It's FUN! :)

npr prn said...

So this notion that gestational hypertension (ie preeclampsia) can happen with the 1st or 19th pregnancy and might not happen again allow me to clarify a few points. The only reason they didn't basically abort Josie was that she was born at 25 weeks. A couple weeks earlier and despite zero chance for survival they would have done the same thing. The C-section was not done for Josie welfare (except babies do really bad inside a dead mom); but for Michelle's life and health. The notion that they would risk another baby with worse consequences, shows extreme vanity and a lack of morality or intelligence.

Cyn said...

Why do we care that the two families have logged 10,000 hours of church in 20 years? If the average family goes for an hour a week, they'd get 50 hours in a year, which is 1,000 hours in 20 years. Is the point that the Duggars spend 5x more time in church?
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If those numbers are correct then I'm ashamed for the Duggars and the Bates that they have ONLY logged 10K hours in a church in 20 years.

The average where I live is 4-6 hours a week in church services alone, not to mention get-togethers and other things.
2-3 hours on Sunday morning (Sunday School and services), then another 2-3 for Sunday afternoon (choir, evening classes, or evening services) that's 4-6 hours on Sunday alone, then you have midweek services which adds another 2-3 hours.

Most of the people at our current church average around 8 hours a week in church, our family is there more simply because we help with set up, Sunday School and a few other things... does NOT make me better or worse than anyone else it's just what it is.

Again that's the average, some don't go to all the services, others go to those and anything else the church is doing this week.

Iliketheduggars said...

"The C-section was not done for Josie welfare (except babies do really bad inside a dead mom); but for Michelle's life and health. The notion that they would risk another baby with worse consequences, shows extreme vanity and a lack of morality or intelligence."

But there is absolutely no guarantee it would happen again. In fact, Michelle's birth history would seem to indicate that she is NOT predisposed to pre-eclampsia in some way... otherwise she would have had it with each successive pregnancy after Jana and John-David. Her risk might be assumed to be LOWER than a same-aged woman with only one previous pregnancy and pre-eclampsia.

The "vain, immoral, and unintelligent" argument would have to be applied to every woman who had preeclampsia and went on to have other children to be valid.