Free Discussion April 2010

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Anonymous said...

I have notice there has been big changes in the older girls since the trip to Washington, D.C. & NYC.. They got to see the real world.. That JB is not that great and how he was lost and incompentent...

I also feel sorry for Jinger.. She has been quiet this season.. She claimed she is shy in this last show.. I have a feeling they shut her down because of her popularity or she is laying low because in some way her parents blamed her for the popularity she has on the web.. There are a few FB pages "free jinger duggar" also web sites just for Jinger..

Anonymous said...

A previous poster brought this up in an episode thread, but I think it seems more appropriate here. I, too, don't understand how the kids can have iPhones. Those over 18, okay, but it's true that Jinger is only 16. Does JB not realize all the things an iPhone can do through the internet? I think it's obvious that either the family is much more naive than we realize or they have let a lot of their original values and decisions fall by the wayside. At one point Michelle talked about how they found a special computer that would protect them from things they didn't want their children to have access to. Of course, it would have been software not the computer itself, but anyway... it makes no sense that they'd go from saying that to giving their minor children iPhones. Sadly, rather than believing JB is that naive since I think he has one too and is fully aware of what a person can do with one, it looks like they've changed and probably don't realize that we all can see it. It's time for them to get off TV now, if this is the case, because they are no longer living out their original values that got them the show in the first place, and the rest of us are starting to catch on.

Marybeth said...

The Duggars are in no way naive, they are fully aware of how to block all forms of internet, and/or filter it. Just because a phone is capable of getting the internet doesn't mean it does. Mine is internet capable but we don't pay for the service. You can also get filtering software for iphone internet if you choose to use it.

We have no idea where the iphones came from--if they were provided by TLC to use on the show, if they were bought by the Duggars, or if they are a product placement by Apple.

Same thing with the clothing conversation at the end of March's thread. We don't know where the name brand clothing came from. Did they buy it used? It could have come from one of their road trips--lots of great used clothing shops in NYC and the DC area! Jim Bob is also a whiz at auctions and ebay--I bought lots of name brand clothes dirt cheap off of ebay. Did they buy it at the mall--the girls do go to the mall. Is it product placement as well? Or was it given to them at a photo shoot--they are provided clothing at photo shoots.

Just because they are wearing name brand clothes doesn't mean they care about the brands they're wearing. With the exception of Josh--I do believe he's wearing Aeropostle, not Our Apostle as someone reported a few months ago, and I do believe he's doing it as part of an image thing--maybe for his car business or because he's on TV.

I'd also like to comment on the jean skirts. They choose their clothes and they chose the skirts. They were in fashion for awhile. Lately the girls have drifted away from them. Even Anna and her sisters were wearing them in the engagement episodes and I believe a few girls in the ATI conference or Christian movie episodes had them on. Lately the girls have been wearing mid-calf length skirts that flare out more. Anna was wearing shorter mid-calf plaid skirts in the last two shows and either Jinger or Jessa was wearing a shorter khaki one in the blood draw episode. Joy-Anna wears the shorter ones as well, at least she was on her birthday episode.

My guess is the skirts were a fad and they liked them. Kind of like the permed hair that none of them seem to have anymore. Or at least not all of them.

Kliff said...

To the poster wondering about the iPhones:

I think the Gatekeeper and the Keymaster know that they can try to instill their belief system upon their kids, but if the children choose to go their own way there isn't anything they will be able to about it. I think they know that the kids will have access to that type of material, and to keep trying to forbid it may actually push them to it. If they haven't been able to instill their core belief system on a child by the time he or she is 16ish, there probably isn't much more they are going to be able to do.

There are also applications that can limit the amount and type of content visable using the phone...

Jess C said...

I had a random conversation with my sister the other day about the Duggars that I wanted to mention here. We were talking about them, after watching the episode with the girls giving blood, and were just discussing random things about them. My sister, who usually has a joke or two about them randomly starts talking about how she can't think of a snarky thing to say about them anymore. I was in shock, and had to ask why. She goes on to say that she has nothing but respect for them after really thinking about the size of the family and how calmly things work. Sure, they may have flaws and may have strange ideals and rules, but overall, they are very composed which is really admirable for such a large group of people. She was saying that she knew families WAY smaller that can't even do that. She was also saying that while the kids are sheltered, that may be for the best considering the world we do live in, and that these kids were way less likely to be troublesome, disrespectful, in jail, etc.

I hate to admit it, but she has a point.

My family has a lot of the same values as the Duggars and can relate to them and what they do in many aspects, so I can understand a lot of what they are trying to teach their children. I don't agree with the level of sheltering they do, but can see where they would think it is important. I also know that it is incredibly difficult being young and married, and see alot of my husband and I in Josh and Anna and can sympathize with them. (My husband and I are 21, we've been married 2 years, and just had our first son a month ago. My husband is in the Marines, neither one of us has been to college.)

I just feel like I understand more where the family is coming from, and they do have more admirable qualities than I once thought.

Snap! said...

I was thinking about how the Bates' daughter would not want to attend university with green haired girls. I just picked up my son from University for Easter weekend. He attends a 4 year University that reqires a minimum b average in high school to attend. The students are serious about their studies- but what did I see on this beautiful spring day?? Two seperate sightings of girls with brightly dyed hair. They are young and it looked good on them. I'm sure they are serious about their studies or they wouldn't be there. Made me chuckle- don't judge a student by the color of their hair!!

Anonymous said...

I doubt Jinger is shy, she is just displaying a "I am so out of here when I'm 18 years old" look on her face.

We can only hope that she is the one to jump ship.

Anon 3:14 said...

If the Duggar girls are supposed to say "Nike" when an "inappropriately" dressed woman is nearby, then why didn't we hear "Nike" when Dolly Parton entered the room to meet them at Dollywood ?

Dolly's clothing shows off a "curvy" figure, so I'm surprised the Duggars would associate with her. I'm also surprised that they all didn't run screaming from the room, with echoes of "we've been defrauded" audible to the other park guests that day.

I guess it isn't "Nike" when the host is paying for your park admission that day.

Anonymous said...

Well, now that little Josie will be coming home soon (at least that's the impression I get from the show) I'm sure it's just about time for MD and JD to conceive number 20. All they talk about is Josie coming home which is absolutely spectacular but they very rarely talk about what difficulties may arise or what disabilities she may have. It seems like they are kind of glossing over all that. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it sounds like to me.

Anonymous said...

I'm not so sure that Jim Bob and Michelle are glossing over possibililties or problems with Josie or if their babies neonatologist has told them that so far she is doing great and as he said on the last episode will be going home as a basically term baby. Of course something could show up later but we don't need to anticipate it. Look how healthy the Suleman octuplets apparently are. As far as we know only one has a minor defect - that minor cleft lip. While a fairly high percentage of micro preemies have problems later on, by no means do all of them. There have been a lot of prayers offered on that babies behalf and her parents have a lot of faith - faith that may be rewarded with a healthy outcome. We can continue to hope and pray for that. It sounds like her Dr may be encouraging them to think that way and he has to be pretty good to be working where he is taking care of this type of case all the time. Why anticipate difficulties that may never happen?

Jess C said...

You can get very nice brand name things in thrift stores if you take the time to look, I've found many things, (even things with tags still on them) and I very much believe this is what the Duggars are doing. I can't imagine them paying full price at a mall, nonetheless with all the potential for "Nike" there. And I agree with Marybeth, JB knows where to go to get things for a deal, so I'm sure he has something to do with it. I don't think it is product placement though, because if you look at a lot of advertisement for Aeropostale, it is not exactly modest, it is very likely that they don't know that much, just that they like the clothes.

I think the jean skirt thing might be seasonal. Since this was filmed in the winter, maybe denim isn't the warmest fabric, and to wear tights under denim can be seriously uncomfortable. (trust me there)

I don't think they are glossing over Josie's situation, but I also wonder if they have ever really dealt with preemies, with all the children they have. She seems to be doing quite well for her situation, so I don't think they have any reason to prepare for anything if nothing has happened yet.

Nicole said...

I recently read an article about the Duggars that said that their first special, 14 Kids and Pregnant Again, had some footage in its original first airing, that was later edited out of repeats and the DVD version. The footage, they said, was of JB & M talking about their beliefs about some controversial topics, stating that they follow the Quiverfull movement, things of that nature that are widely speculated about.

I am curious if anyone else has heard this? Did anyone see the original episode or know if there's any truth to this?

Anonymous said...

All the talk about the Duggars utilizing resources by Gothard inspired me to do some research on Gothard's website. This article gives tips on how to listen to your older children and emphasizes listening and asking key questions. One question he recommends parents ask is "What would you like to change in our family or in me?"

Obviously I have no way of knowing whether the Duggars have asked this question, but as they apparently follow this man's teachings, I wouldn't be surprised if they are not familiar with these particular materials. This certainly does not sound like the oppressive one-sided method of communication some posters have insinuated.

http://www.billgothard.com/bill/news/buildbylistening/

Can't See Sheep said...

Can't See Sheep said...

sallymally said...
But they disguise their motives as "ministry". Nobody wants to question you when you say you're doing something for God. That's what makes me so mad about this family.
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Have they ever said which denomination or movement of Christianity they are from or representing? I am asking because I'm curious & wondered if I missed it, or if it was something that they put in their book but have not mentioned on the show?

Anonymous said...

When you watch the episode where the Duggars answer viewers questions a box comes up stating they are Southern Baptist. I am posting this in response to a previous question

Anonymous said...

I've noticed dogs and cats in a few episodes of the Duggars. Do they spay/ neuter or allow the critters to receive blessings?

Anonymous said...

I believe the Duggar family has mentioned that they are Baptist based ( remember the no dancing rule at Josh & Anna Duggar's wedding?) so that should pinpoint their belief system. As for details, I am not sure but it is Evangelical Baptist I guess

Anonymous said...

The show is called "__ Kids and Counting," but the Duggars don't really have 19 KIDS anymore...they have kids and several young adults. With their emphasis on rewarding personal responsibility and trustworthiness, I would not be surprised if they now considered it appropriate to let the older ones have less supervised access to media such as the iPhone. It also may not necessarily be an iPhone, it might be just a touch phone that has texting and limited internet access for email and the like.

Anonymous said...

Could someone please explain "nike" I never heard of this with Duggar girls?? Is it used as a jugement term? Or alert alert everyone must look away? I'm confused?

pumpkin said...

Regarding the "nike" code word:

It was stated in the episode where Jim Bob and Michelle appeared on "The View" that the girls will say "Nike" to the boys when they are out in public and a scantily clad/immodest woman walks by. This is to alert the boys/young men to avert their eyes until she passes.

Also, in this episode, Joy Anna is shown covering the TV during a commercial break. Grandma Duggar informs the camera that Joy Anna is covering up immodest dress in the commercials and that she has been trained to do this so her brothers will not see them and become "defrauded".

On the episode where the family visits Pigeon Forge, TN and goes to Dollywood, you can clearly here Michelle say "Nike", but the immodestly attired person is not shown in the camera shot.

I for one am curious as to what the family considers immodest enough to look away. Shorts? Short-shorts? Sleeveless blouses? Tube tops?

Lauren said...

Like many others I am not very impressed by the Duggar's diet and their recipes (in fact I am actually kind of a snob about what I put in my body and a little appalled by how much processed food that family consumes). However, the spectacular green beans recipe they have on their website really intrigued me so I tried it. It was bomb! They were so good, I HIGHLY recommend them.

On another note, In response to some previous posts, I think that they are non-denominational in their faith. Since they meet at a home church they clearly arent sponsored by a known denomination (otherwise it wouldnt be a home church). This is why there has been no clear answer as to what denomination they belong to. If your curious about their theological beliefs then you would have to research their home church's established doctrine.

Lastly, I think the standard for modesty is anything that ignites lustful desire or "desires that cannot be righteously fulfilled." Its subjective to whoever calls "nike" out. Again, that is why seeing baby skin is different than seeing mommy skin.

Marybeth said...

The Duggars specific religious denomination is an interesting question. In their book they talk about early in their marriage getting ready to go to church and Jim Bob getting a call to go pick up a tow with the tow truck, so in the beginning they did attend a "proper" church. They were also married in a church. They were remarried in the last season in that same church. Jim Bob attended Shiloh Christian School so it would be interesting to know if the school was connected with the church, since Michelle met him initially (although she doesn't remember the visit) through a home visit through the church he attended with a friend both he and she knew.

Why they no longer attend the church, but do home church is curious. It may be logistics--getting 20 people ready for church in the morning would be difficult I'm sure, considering we always hear on the show how they are always running on "Duggar" time. It is also important to know that it isn't just their family that worships in their "home" church, but other families and friends join them. According to the show they've said that over 100 people have been there on Sundays.

Although it is fair to point out that we learned in a recent episode that the services of their "home" church are no longer actually held in their home, but in a building that appears to be, I believe on their 20 acre property, or at least is one of Jim Bob's rental properties, as the boys were dispatched to make a repair.

When they visited the Bates family and attended services with them, one of the Duggar girls interviewed mentioned that the Bates family was Baptist, so if the Duggar family's home church was also of that same genre you would think she would have mentioned that, but instead she went on to talk about the differences between home church and attending an actual church service.

I think you'd have to rewatch the renewal of vows episode to see if they show what kind of church that was--that would give a hint as to what kind of denomination they came from, or lean towards, since that's the church they were married in when she was 17 and he was 19. I would guess it is some kind of Evangelical or Fundamentalist branch of Christian church, if not Baptist.

Anonymous said...

Jeez Louise. WHo's gonna be turned on by Michelle's "mommy skin" around her neck?

pumpkin said...

The Duggars state on their website that they are Baptists. (http://www.duggarfamily.com/)

Anonymous said...

On the "Ask the Duggars" episode a little box came up during one of the questions that said they are Southern Baptist. I don't think the house they are now using as a home church is on their 20 acre site. I googled a Southern (1st Baptist) church in Fayetteville I believe it was and showed a house that looked like the house on the recent show. Southern Baptist Convention allows for believers to interpret for themselves and also states that each church within the denomination is independent of the others. This could explain why they and their friends formed their own group. Also the Southern Baptist church in Springdale is termed a Mega church and is described as the biggest church in Arkansas.

One interesting thing I read in their book is that they decided the 7th day Sabbath should still be kept so they are keeping that day as well as a family and then having church on Sunday. As a Seventh Day Adventist I found that interesting. There is also a Seventh Day Baptist church.

slundee said...

They used to attend a Baptist church (the one they renewed their vows in) but I'm pretty sure at the time they decided Josh should homeschool, they were getting into Gothard teachings, and so they decided Jim Bob should be the one to interpret/teach the Bible for their family.

Anne said...

About the Duggars clothing, some of it has to be new. There was a jacket Johannah was wearing this season and it was from the current full price line at the gymboree. I am positive about the jacket because I considered buying it for my daughter. I have also spotted at least 4 other items of current line gymboree on the younger girls during the 19 kids season. With Gap, AE, Aeropostle clothes the older children wear I could not tell you if they were from the current year or a lucky ebay/thrift store find but with gymboree (I am a huge gymboree fan) I can spot the lines and know exactly what month they came out in.
I'm actually happy to see the kids wearing more "modern modest clothes" and if Jim Bob is actually spending money on the kids that is great too! I would rather hear Jim Bob has lost his penny pinching ways(even though I don't think he is a penny pinching as he says when you see the grocery shopping!) then find out the clothes were donated by the company in exchnage for the kids being walking billboards.

Anonymous said...

I agree with a previous poster about the Gymboree clothes. And I'm glad if the kids are getting new clothes (I REALLY hope this means they are also getting shoes!), not that there's anything wrong with used clothes, but it would be nice to know that at least some of the money is going to the kids. IMO, the reason I debate about new clothes, iPhones, etc. isn't because I don't want the kids to have them, it's because I wish JB and Michelle would be honest with the viewers and with themselves and admit that they no longer follow some of their original rules rather than trying to make a buck by pulling the wool over our eyes. That's all I ask.

Anonymous said...

im sure they buy them at thrift stores from brand stores wh couldnt sell them

Danielle said...

Does anyone know if Josie is home? It's well past her original due date now...

Anonymous said...

My guess about the clothing, at least for the younger kids, is that Gymboree is giving the clothes for free just like they did to the Gosselins until they younger kids turned 5.

They could have easily been buying new name brand clothing all along at outlet stores etc. But they have always said by used and save the difference. Now all of a sudden the kids are wearing new, not used, clothing. Doesn't line up with their "motto". That is why I think those clothes are being given to them by the companies.

MO4 said...

The brand name clothing is product placement.They do not buy it at thrift stores or use the money they are making to buy it.They get it for free because of the advertising!!

Anonymous said...

I think the brand stores cant sell an item, sell to the thrift store for less,.

Amanda said...

Shiloh Christian School is associated with First Baptist Church of Springdale which is the church that they renewed their vows in last year.

I think that is where Josh and Anna had their reception for the folks in Arkansas also

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I think the brand stores cant sell an item, sell to the thrift store for less,.
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Not sure where you're getting your info, but from experience in volunteering in a couple of thrift stores over the years, I can tell you that's not the norm. Thrift stores operate on pure donations and those come from members of the community. People drop off bags of used clothing, toys, dishes, whatever they don't want. My job was to be a basic sorter - we went through and pulled the items we felt were in good or decent condition to sale in the thrift store. Many items were deemed too worn or unusable and were given to other places.

Sometimes a local store would donate items if they were going out of business, such as a stationery store one time.

But we never got clothing or other items from a name brand store, ever.

What will happen is that last season's items either go to that store's outlets around the country, or to places like Marshall's and Ross Dress for Less. But not the the local thrift store.

I know some fans find it hard to reconcile but the Duggars are making good money and it appears that their children are receiving the benefit of not having to buy second hand all the time. Clearly, they are getting some brand new, name brand clothing, no doubt either at full price or they are wearing it as part of some sort of marketing deal with the maker for product placement. Of course, with their favorite mantra of buying second hand and save the difference, they don't really want to emphasize that, but with the brand new Gymboree especially, it's clear that's what's happening.

No big deal, but I'm not going to pretend they got it at a thrift store because Gymboree or Gap donated last season's leftovers to a Tonitown thrift store.

Anonymous said...

thanks you Anonymous at 8:10 for clearing my confusion about thrift stores :).

Marybeth said...

When I had my daughter, now 3, I wanted a cute Ralph Lauren dress for her that I found for $50 at the store. I went home and looked on eBay and found it new with the tags for bid or make an offer. I got it for $15. It turned out to be a "factory second" like they have at the outlet malls.

The point of the story is that you can find the current season's lines of clothing out there for much cheaper than the retail price if you know what to do--and the Duggars have proven time and again that they know how to do it.

There are several ways the Duggars could come up with this season's Gymboree clothing and other name brand clothing without paying retail:

a) auction/eBay
b) outlet mall--hit a sale and you can get stuff at a steal
c) "baby only" resale shops often sell brand new stuff people bring in because their baby outgrew it before they had a chance to even wear it
d) product placement
e) they do many many photo shoots for magazines and TV spots and those people bring them clothing for those shoots--it's possible they get to keep the clothing
f) now that they are popular and have a following, they could be getting gifts from friends and family, hand-me-downs from relatives who don't buy 'used', or from fans who are sending them gifts out of love

Hannah said...

I feel bad for the older girls. I think helping with siblings should you wanna do, not somthing you are froced to do.

I wonder if the girls ever objected to not wanting to have a buddy.

Cyn said...

Although it is fair to point out that we learned in a recent episode that the services of their "home" church are no longer actually held in their home, but in a building that appears to be, I believe on their 20 acre property, or at least is one of Jim Bob's rental properties, as the boys were dispatched to make a repair.
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This is a new purchase of JimBob's. The boys said "dad bought a few months ago" when they were out working on the pump house that had frozen over.

It's also not on their 20 ac property, it's out by the airport. One of the bigger boys John David or the other one also said it was easier on the whole church to meet there as it was more centrally located.

Cyn said...

They used to attend a Baptist church (the one they renewed their vows in) but I'm pretty sure at the time they decided Josh should homeschool, they were getting into Gothard teachings, and so they decided Jim Bob should be the one to interpret/teach the Bible for their family.

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The different people take turns leading the different bible studies. It's not just JimBob if it ever is. They simply hosted the church since they had the resources, and later the room to house all the people at the same time.

Iliketheduggars said...

"The brand name clothing is product placement.They do not buy it at thrift stores or use the money they are making to buy it.They get it for free because of the advertising!!"

Is this confirmed? Does anyone know for sure? It wouldn't surprise me, but I'd like to know for sure.

Not a big fan of the product placement stuff... Gosselins soured me big time.

Marybeth said...

Jim Bob Duggar has never made any secret that he is a businessman. His whole adult life has been building one business after another. Their goal as a family was to have a business they could run from home so that they would be available for their children (the tow truck business kept Jim Bob away from the family too much, for example.)

So they have created their real estate "empire" that brings in income, they have the cell tower, and they have the TV show. They also buy things at auction and sell it at retail (often large industrial-type items.) It shouldn't be surprising that Jim Bob would strike a deal for product placements--if Jim Bob had anything to do with it--that could be all TLC's doing. There is nothing un-Christian about capitalism.

Anne said...

MaryBeth,

While I agree on your points about how the Duggars can get great looking clothes for less, most of don't work for the current gymboree. I happen to know the timeline. The line the hoodie/jacket Johannah(as well as a dress/jumper Jordan wears) is wearing in Josie birth special came out in late October 2009. The episode we all know was taped in early December. The jacket retailed for 49.50. The best possible deal between the end of october and when the epsiode taped was the 20% off BF sale.

Johannah is probably wears a size 4-6? so it is not a baby size. It is the fastest size to sell out in gymboree. If someone bought it and did not like it gymboree is great about returns in the first 90 days so I doubt it came from a thrift store. This would be a hard item to find on ebay again given the size and timeframe. I guess it is possible but it would still go for about $30 or more considering the size and newness of the line. I do frequestly see gymboree under 12 months NWT from new lines go for lower prices but not size 4-6. Too many moms are hooked by then.
Gymboree outlets are different, they do not sell seconds. They remake the lines from one year ago, it is impossible it came from an outlet.

I am a thrifty gymboree shopper. I too saw cute outfits that were so expensive when she was a baby. I buy and resell constantly and my daughter wears gymboree for free, because I buy low and resell for break even or profit after she wears it. However very rarely does she get a line newer then 3 months because of this.

Again I am happy for the changes especially for the girls. My husband was watching on of the 16 kids episodes today and said he could not believe the changes and he usually doesn't notice clothes. It is not just clothes, look at the difference in hair, makeup accessories, shoes etc. I have long hair and for the girls hair to go from frizzy and stringy in 16 kids to shiny, full and healthy now, I'm sure they are usuing expensive products and treatments, not just a home perm. If they knew of some cheap homemade hair tretament why did they not use it 3 years ago? Again I'm happy the girls look great and are getting special clothes and extras. I just hope it is not in exchnage for advertising. I also hope whoever Jim Bob chooses for them to marry can keep up the lifestyle and they don't have to return to the "Bates" homemade clothing style and puffy hair.

Cyn said...

3 years ago the girls were learning hair care from a friend they told us that in the "Cheaper by the Duggars Episode". They said something to the effect that they had either just learned or were learning to give each other perms. You perm it to many times or not watch what you are doing you get stringy hair as the girls had. They got better at it, some quit doing it all together which will also allow the hair to "heal".

One other thing I want to point out. Michelle said in either the first Bate appearance or another of the early episodes... When asked about the new bike she had gotten one of the kids she said "we buy used and saved the difference so that every now and then we could buy new." They (the Duggars) have never claimed to "buy ONLY used and save the difference". The family motto though is "buy used and save the difference"

I personally think the clothing budget has gone up since the show started. The entire family budget has gone up. They have more money for toys, clothes, to be able to move their entire family to another city to be close.

Cute clothes on the girls, free, promo, or paid for by the Duggars. It's clothing... They aren't buying brand new cars, they aren't spending money lavishly. Honestly it's clothes, it doesn't violate any the Duggars basic beliefs.

They are using a house JimBob bought for church for the entire church family. They have bought take to the ministry in El Salvadore several years running. They themselves donate time, and sweat to the ministry. They have helped local ministries (United States).

What the Duggars spend their money on isn't really up to us. But at the same time I still have seen anything completely out of line with 'Core Duggar Beliefs'.

Anonymous said...

Now that they are on TV, they look like any other American family. Hair, makeup, name-brand clothing. They are indistinguishable from your runof the mill family from suburban areas. The Bates girls still wear matching prairie dresses with big hair, like the Duggars did on the first specials. So, we know people in their circles still dress like that, with homemade clothing, and not so much emphasis on appearance.

IMO, I think the Duggar girls look a lot better. The little girls can run and play more easily with shorter dresses or tunics and pant/leggings than those uberlong prairie dresses they used to wear.

And there is TONS of product placement, from Swiffer to Gap to Hormel Chili. Gymboree could be just another example, which wouldn't surprise me at all, but sure doesn't make them seem like a backwoods family anymore. As I said, they look totally mainstream now, and not even "modest".

MO4 said...

Is this confirmed? Does anyone know for sure? It wouldn't surprise me, but I'd like to know for sure.

Not a big fan of the product placement stuff... Gosselins soured me big time.



If it were any of there reasons the brand names would have to be blurred and we all noe that they have not been.

Midwest Mom said...

"Jim Bob Duggar has never made any secret that he is a businessman."

Truer words were never spoken.

And his "business" the last couple of years is putting his precious "blessings" on television for the whole world to see.

How sad that his family's privacy is now a "business".

Jess C said...

I agree with Cyn, while the clothes are certainly different than we used to see on the Duggars, they are just clothes. While I hope it is not a promotional type deal, (and would be absolutely shocked if it was) they still adhere to the modesty standards they preach about so often, at least in that aspect. And it is actually quite nice to see them dressed in "modern" clothes and not be scantily clad, to see variations on trendy clothes without seeing tons of skin. I also think the change just comes with growing up, and times changing. Families change all of the time, people don't just stay stagnant, we grow, we learn, we change- so we can't be so critical on them for that.

I just caught the 17 kids episode where they told the family about Jordyn, and see where Michelle says that the "girls watch the calendar like hawks". I have never been able to interpret what this means or why the girls would be doing this- anyone have any ideas?

Anonymous said...

It doesn't bother me that the Duggars are wearing new name brand clothing. What bothers me is they don't own up to it. They seemed to have such a conviction on what kind of clothes and styles they would wear that they never would have wore the clothes they are wearing now just a few years ago. If they would then they would have been wearing them and we wouldn't be seeing such a difference now. I really think if they had just been doing their occasional specials those girls would still be wearing the prairie dresses and jumpers just like the Bates' girls and other like minded families are still wearing.

They keep saying and using the same old line, they shop thrift stores and buy used and save the difference. Why is it so hard for them to say that they have changed that part of their lifestyle and if the company is giving them clothes just say so. It makes one wonder what they are trying to hide and why. If they hadn't seem to make such a big deal about their clothing and where they shopped to begin with then it would't be so obvious now.

I have worked retail for many years and we do not donate any clothing to goodwill or thrift stores. There might be some independant stores that do that but not big chain stores.

Anonymous said...

"Their goal as a family was to have a business they could run from home so that they would be available for their children"

Where is Jim Bob during the day, then? He's certainly not at home. And he's definitely not helping with chores, meals, homeschool, or wrangling small children so Michelle/the older girls can get stuff done.

Iliketheduggars said...

How old were the girls in the first few specials... 10-14 or so, right? And now they are 14-18? Why are we so surprised that their clothing and hairstyles have changed? My goodness, I hardly look like the same person from year to year in high school photos!

Plus, if I remember correctly, in the first few specials the girls had learned to sew, and were sewing most of their clothes. Perhaps the thrill of that wore off after a few years. Perhaps their travels did open the world of style to them a bit, and they've changed their OWN minds on what they want to wear, and JB & M have approved.

It's not uncommon for families to make more money, and add to their budgets accordingly. When we first saw the Duggars, they obviously had less money to spend on clothing, hairstyles, and hair products than they do now.

And I don't ever remember either parent saying "We don't wear Gap because it's evil and wrong"... they said "We make our own and buy used clothing in order to live within our means." If buying Gap and Gymboree is now within their means, where is the problem?

Claire said...

"I just caught the 17 kids episode where they told the family about Jordyn, and see where Michelle says that the "girls watch the calendar like hawks". I have never been able to interpret what this means or why the girls would be doing this- anyone have any ideas?"

I always assumed it referred to the girls watching the calendar to see if Michelle misses her period.

Chris said...

Jess C. ,

To answer your question about the girls watching the calendar. It is kind of gross IMO. Michelle has her cycles on the calendar and the girls watch to see about her fertility and conception times. Sure does not not seem as modest as the family claims to be.

Anonymous said...

"I have worked retail for many years and we do not donate any clothing to goodwill or thrift stores. There might be some independant stores that do that but not big chain stores."

Where I live it is common place for stores, even Big Chain Stores, to donate clothing to Goodwill and Salvation Army.

Kitten said...

While I hope it is not a promotional type deal, (and would be absolutely shocked if it was)...

Why would you be shocked? We have already seen the incredibly awkward Swiffer product placement in previous shows. They also made a big deal of the fact that when Target (I think) brought them racks and racks of clothes so they could all be dressed alike for a photo shoot, they got to keep the clothes.

Whether the Duggars simply get to keep clothes from photo shoots, or manufacturers are supplying them for free, there is nothing in their "convictions" that prevent them from gleefully accepting freebies. I'm sure JB sees it as even better than "buy used."

Anonymous said...

"Where I live it is common place for stores, even Big Chain Stores, to donate clothing to Goodwill and Salvation Army."

Like the other Anon. I have volunteered as donation sorter at a woman's shelter. We never, ever ever, received new brand named clothing from stores. I was told that stores do not donate current season clothing because people would try to return them for money. The brand name used clothing that we got was always well worn and few and far between.

I'm very glad that the Dugger girls are looking better kept than previous years. But, I wish that they would stop with the buy used slogan if they are obviously buying new.

Anonymous said...

The comment about the girls watching the calendar like a hawk was followed by Josh saying OH,yes, it has been nine months since the last baby. I think that is all it meant.

I have seen that comment spread all over about Michelle's menses or ovulation cycle being recorded on a calendar but nobody has ever been able to tell me where they saw it, supposedly on the refrigerator. I think it is an "Urban legend" that grew out of peoples speculations and is totally unfounded.

If someone on here can tell me where they saw it then I will believe it. I purchased the videos of the early specials and 17 kids and counting and I certainly couldn't find it on any of those. The comment in question was made on a Today show interview for mothers day when Michelle announced her pregnancy with, I believe Jordyn.l

Sharla said...

Looks like I'm going to be pushed into playing mama. Please read ALL the posting guidelines and my comments before commenting. I am not going to tolerate attacking other commenters.

Perhaps I should start attaching names? Amanda that includes you.

Been There said...

If I recall correctly, Michelle answered a question on the Ask The Duggars episode and included the information that the girls watched the calendar like a hawk....

Cyn said...

Calendar like a hawk Today show. Link below.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24537885/ns/today_people/

Half way through the video.

LOL don't blame me though with the discussions the rest of that interview is going to bring up.

Nicole said...

Well - I'm not sure what exactly would be the right way for Michelle to "admit" they're buying brand new Gymboree or whatever now. Just insert in one of their interviews, "We just want everyone to know we're buying some brand new clothes now and not just from thrift stores." I don't really care where they're buying their clothes. I don't see anything inconsistent about it. They still do say now and then, "buy used, save the difference," but it isn't hammered in every single episode, and they've never said "we ONLY buy used ALWAYS and we will NEVER buy anything new EVER". It's a general family practice and principle that they've lived by during their marriage that has served them well.

Marybeth said...

I believe it was the first episode the Bates family came to visit and they went to Silver Dollar City--one of the Duggar girls actually commented on the Bates' girls dresses, in a rather derogatory way. "They dress more country and we dress more modest modern," I believe was how the comment went, with a bit of a strange look on her face. And I think cousin Amy made a funny comment too.

The Duggar girls in the early years didn't really wear prairie dresses, per se, they were more pinafore-style dresses with Mom wearing a matching maternity dress--all the boys in suit coats and tan trousers--and the lot of them in a row going to the ultrasound appointment.

Jess C said...

Kitten, I guess I mean I would be shocked by a CLOTHING product placement, rather than any kind of random product. (and yes, I remember how strange that Swiffer one was lol, still one of the funniest things I've seen on a Duggar program) Perhaps I'm thinking that a clothing type of deal would be an offshoot of vanity, and that would make it fairly immodest for them. Especially with the style of clothing they wore before that were handmade, uniform, unflattering, etc. (And about the free rack of clothes, who WOULDN'T take that? Honestly?)

And thanks for the clarification on that comment. I just remember speculation on it before, and seeing it on the show yesterday reminded me of it.

I was wondering though, what do you all think the future of this show is going to be? I personally hope that after Josie goes home, (which I hope is later than sooner, I really want her to be monitored and given the individual attention she will possibly need, and for the family to be well educated in caring for a baby her size and onward.) they go back to hour long specials every so often. While I enjoy the family and seeing how they do things/what they are up to, I don't think they have enough content to keep up full seasons, unless of course Michelle or Anna get pregnant again soon, or Jana or JD get engaged. (I'm actually hoping they get engaged to a non-Bates family member, I'm interested to see another family in the mix, and see what could come of that.) I don't think they will ever be completely off the air, there is so much public interest in the future of the kids, but I just don't think they have enough appeal to continue with 2-3 more seasons. What do you all think?

Anonymous said...

I remember cousin Amy's comment, too : ) "They like it because they dress like Christians in the the old days... or like the Bates now..."

Anonymous said...

The Bates' matching homemade dresses in floral prints with big collars look exactly like what the Duggar girls wore in the early specials.

It's strange how they would have revisionist history memories like that. They girls dressed just exactly as "country" as the Bates still do, before commercialism and consumerism hit them, and they went all Aeropostale and Gap and Gymboree on us (along with tons of tanning and makeup and hair product and other things to enhance their "countenance".)

Jen said...

It saddens me that it some places stores do not or can not donate items to thrift stores and charities.

I'm grateful that is not the case where I live.

What is reality for one person is not reality for another.

We may not ever know what the reality for the Duggars' thrift stores are. Which I find ironic since they are on reality show. Guess it goes to show that you never know everything or see everything, even on reality shows.

Anonymous said...

The clothes the Duggar girls wore in the early episodes were the clothes that my daughters wore 20 years earlier. They undoubtedly were thriftstore dresses. Later one or two of the girls started sewing and the dresses/skirts got a little more updated. Now the clothes they wear look very much like the clothes I see at the local Goodwill here in Ar. They also have received outfits from People magazine shots, etc and made the comment that they don't usually get new clothes so this was a nice change.

nccalgal said...

Going with the "inspiration" theme, one reason for the family dressing in more updated clothing could be they want to show others that you can dress in a modest manner and not stick out in the crowd. One lament we often hear from parents is the challenge of finding clothing that a teen is willing to wear that is attractive and modest at the same time.

MO4 said...

I remember in the credits of one of the shows it said the company that supplies the hair bows.So it looks to me like the Duggars are all for product placement.I am not saying that it is bad but that it the reality.

Iliketheduggars said...

"I just don't think they have enough appeal to continue with 2-3 more seasons. What do you all think?"

I hope they go back to occasional specials, or even just occasional magazine articles.

IMO, reality TV is an extremely dangerous genre. Studios have found a way to go back to the way it was in Hollywood 60 or 70 years ago, when "stars" were basically studio property and bound by contract to let the studio tell them what to wear, what to say, who to be, etc. And children had absolutely NO legal rights or protections, for either their daily life and development or the money they made. That's exactly what reality TV gets away with today, and in my opinion it is CRIMINAL that they do this just because they can.

Finally, regardless of the genre, I can't think of anything good that comes from childhood fame and stardom. At best, a lucky child is protected from the majority of the bad. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

Of course, so far the Duggars seem to be suffering no ill effects that I can see. But that could change at any moment (a stalker attack, being forced by contract to do something against their values, etc.). And I worry about the long-term effects that won't be evident until much later. Fame has a way of changing a person's sense of self and their whole outlook on life.

So yes, I like the Duggars, have no major beef with the parents or kids, enjoy watching the positive family atmosphere, and wish them the absolute best... but would much prefer they stop the series.

Anonymous said...

nccalgal said...

Going with the "inspiration" theme, one reason for the family dressing in more updated clothing could be they want to show others that you can dress in a modest manner and not stick out in the crowd.
* * *

Not sure if this is their motivation, or if they just figured this out themselves and we're seeing the results. Of course young women can dress modestly without the need to resort to Little House on the Prairie style clothing. A simple modest scoop neck t-shirt, in a high quality knit that doesn't cling, topped with a jacket, or hoodie, is not revealing in the least.

Anyone with some basic skills in sewing can easily sew up a pretty skirt in a floral print, or any print or solid color you like, that hits at the knee. That is most certainly modest.

If they don't want their legs exposed at all, then they could wear tights or leggings underneath their skirts.

There are a plethora of pretty clothes out there that are also modest. There are also wonderful sewing patterns and beautiful fabric available most places.

To me, being modest does not mean you must look dowdy and out of date. I'm glad to see that the Duggars girls are finally able to express a bit more individuality and be more current with their clothing styles.

I also don't care if they are spending more on clothing than they did before. Their family income has risen quite a bit since they increased the show from a yearly to a weekly event. I consider this a job that all the family does, so why not let the children reap some material benefits from their work in front of the cameras? It's only fair!

Anonymous said...

JB and M should re-think public school for those 6 youngest boys. Having them on a set schedule (a real world one, not Duggar time) would benefit the whole family in many ways. The boys would use up some of that extra energy by being in a new environment, new and varied interactions with other kids, and an education lead by another adult, not mom/sister. The added quiet time would give Michelle the chance to mother those 4 little girls, not the least of which will be Josie's and her required extra care. AND, it would give Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger a chance to have a break as well. If they are worried about the education not being as good as what they are doing now, they could supplement in the evenings. Just my positive input to the value of public education.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Maybe Jinger is just shy and that is why she is not on as much as you may wish.

She may also want her other siblings to be on more. Who knows. Whatever it is I believe it is her choice and we should respect that and not project out own thoughts on "why" as all that is is projection and speculation.

Jen said...

I thought the soda machine in the house was used, most of the time, as a water faucet to get water. Maybe it is used occasionally as a soda machine for parties?

Does anyone have info about the soda machine in the house?

Anonymous said...

Maybe Jinger is just more of a "typical" teenager and therefore stands out from the other Duggar teens. More typical, in that she knows her family is not the be-all end-all of all-things-ever.
Her neverending eye-rolls say volumes.

Red Line said...

Jinger was a lot more animated in previous episodes. She seems to sink more and more into her shell as time goes. Much like Jana and Jessa. Sometime, watch the "Duggars Dating Rules" episode.. Jinger acted much differently then.

I think I'm one of the few people that likes Jim Bob. He's so goofy. It's just funny to watch him.

Chris said...

I just saw that Michelle is following in dear Kate's footsteps literally. Michelle is having tea with Michelle, at $25 a ticket. It is described as a "unique opportunity to visit with one of America’s most esteemed and prolific Christian mothers".

This tea time, espcially now, she should be with Josie and I'm sure Josie should not be traveling too much? is making me think Michelle is really changing, moreso then a new clothes, or makeup, or hair.

http://www.visionforumministries.org/events/bc/001/ladies.aspx

Anonymous said...

How WILL Mihelle conduct a ministry tea, when she should be home with her ill preemie? She'll pawn Josie off on her real moms, of course.

Anonymous said...

Jinger was WAY different in prior episodes. She actually had a personality and laughed. Now she looks absolutely depressed.

She is the one who seems to see the world outside, and one wonders if she is embarrassed by her parents' constant procreation. I could swear she rolled her eyes when JB announced #19.

Nevertheless, it is sad to see a young girl seem so very unhappy, especially since "shyness" did not appear to be something from which Jinger suffered even a year or two ago.

Anonymous said...

Who is giving Michelle the title of Mother of the Year? I certainly wouldn't consider her mother of the year. I wonder how much money will go directly to Michelle or if she is getting paid from the Vision Forum Ministries, which might I add is a scary group if you have read about them.

Cyn said...

The tea is part of a baby conference in JULY, by then Josie should be home. We have no idea if she is 'ill' and certainly can not have a clue if Josie will be 'ill' then. The entire event is in Texas, and I would bet it's roughly the same time frame of the home school conference.

Continued on other longer post...

Cyn said...

(Michelle tea pt 2)

I snipped large sections out of the page simply for space http://www.visionforumministries.org/events/bc/

A Historic Family Summit on the Triumph of Life over the Culture of Death. As the world lauds barrenness for economic and personal convenience (snip) we purpose to celebrate life and to explore a myriad of practical and theological issues that are pertinent to Christian families of the twenty-first century, such as: adoption, home birth, (snip) and the many blessings that come from raising children in the fear of the Lord.

This is what the Duggars espouse, strive to live towards, and are being lauded for. We may disagree with everything on the web site, and or how well the Duggars accomplish these things. But is IS what the Duggars claims have always been. That their faith is not hid, and they want to do this as a ministry.

Now ministries want to come hear them talk why does this surprise any one? Are they not to get paid because they do this? Do we know if MICHELLE is getting paid or if she volunteered and all proceeds go to the ministry?

Why can't we just be glad for them:

1) Michelle is able to look past the next hour, day of Josie's life. That in itself is a miracle and I'm quite sure they see it that way.
2) Michelle herself is alive, and healthy so are the rest of her family. They can actually plan for summer again.

Through it all they trusted their God to see them through and now they are being asked to talk about how they got through those tough times while trusting God, makes sense to me. That is what these people want to hear, and they will pay for that privilege. They are paying $225.00 for the whole weekend. $25.00 if you want to do the tea. It looks like every other church luncheon/ tea / woman's retreat I have seen in the mega churches. Actually cheaper than most I have seen, but it doesn't include the lodging which might explain it.

Having not seen Kate's tea I can't compare the two, but some how I doubt Kate's was anything like Michelle's is going to be.

BTW did anyone else notice the ministry actually promotes adoption... ;) (sorry for the length)

Marybeth said...

I believe the soda machine next to the dining table was part of the industrial kitchen purchased used (11k) from the out of business Kmart. What it is used for (soda or water, or how often, I don't know if that topic has ever been addressed.

Anonymous said...

Every time I come to duggarswithoutpity.blogspot.com there is another remarkable post to read. One of my friends was talking to me about this topic several weeks ago. I think I will e-mail them the link here and see what they say.

Nicole said...

I like JimBob, too. He is a provider for his family even if it includes them holding up brand name products for a few seconds. Just tonight I recommended the Magic Eraser to another Mom to get crayon marks off the walls. I'm not endorsing that product I just know it works! And I think the brand name clothes could be the fact that they're teenagers and have more money as a family. I wore hand-me-downs when I was little then wanted to wear the "cool clothes" when I got older. My teenaged brother is shifting towards Aeropostale and Old Navy now when he used to not care. I don't think it says anything bad about them. They have more money now, that's all.

Anonymous said...

Michelle is "Mother of the Year"?!!!! Spare me, please.

I am reminded of the old adage: "Any man can father a child, but it takes a REAL man to be a father."

rebecca said...

Ok, I saw for the tea event up to 350 people can register.. so yep, that's a boat load of cash. The Mother of the Year thing makes me ill. I think I need an award. I *only* have 3 kids, but would like to feel important and appreciated for my hard work. In my opinion, I don't think mother awards should be given out publicly like that and at an event that's being paid for. The kids could sit around make hand drawn "awards" for their mom. I'd love it if my kids did something cute and special for me other than on Mother's Day.

Looki said...

Maybe the older girls are getting depressed because any prospective spouses are keeping far far away.
Josh got engaged and married before the show started.
Maybe the're only getting proposals from "weird" people , as one of the girls said once.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't name Michelle Mother of the Year. I think the title Breeder of the Year would be more appropriate.

Anonymous said...

I canNOT "just be happy" for any parent who makes money off putting their childrens private lives on television. Period.

Regardless of what the Duggars do or don't do with the TLC money they earn, or whether or not they want to be an "encouragement" to others, filming those children is just plain wrong.

Anon 3:14 said...

I had no idea, until I read some of the recent comments here, that an ideal life such as the Duggars, includes talking in public endlessly about breastmilk (fat content and supply), inverted nipples, menstrual cycles, sexual activity on Father's Day, cervical softening, and the kicker of all, JimBob telling Josh before the wedding that sex was like "leggos" etc.

In my day, private matters such as those were kept PRIVATE.

If conversations such as those are appropriate for the general public, then I'm proud to not be ideal.

nccalgal said...

Okay, let's give Michelle a break, the tea is scheduled for July, three months from now. If Josie is thriving and making progress, as long as she isn't brought to the event, there should not be that much of an issue for her to travel. If she isn't doing well, Michelle can always cancel.

Anonymous said...

Jill and Jana are the mothers in that home.

All Michelle does is procreate and birth and nurse.

Anonymous said...

Just a couple comments - Josh did not get engaged and married before the show started. His engagement was featured on the show. About the soda machine, I can't imagine the family would actually pay for that many different kinds of soda to pour in there the way restaurants do. Just because they have the machine itself does not mean they buy all of the drinks and pour them in there.

Anonymous said...

I'm watching a 17 Kids and Counting episode where the famiily goes shopping for used shoes and makes their homemade laundry soap. Michelle said something that drove me up the wall and personally offended me. "The reason most people probably go into debt is because they see what their parents or their peers have and they want it, and they want it right now." Ug. My husband has debt because he wanted something his parents DIDN'T have. He's taken out student loans to make up the difference after his scholarships to get through college AND law school, and it wasn't because he was greedy and wanted to be like everyone else around him, because he's the first to do so.

CappuccinoLife said...

The tea is apparently part of the larger "Baby Conference" which is being promoted by Vision Forum. I'm sure Michelle will be offered something, but I highly doubt she'll be getting anything near the full amount people would be paying for a seat at the tea. She will also not be the only "name" at the conference, nor the focus.

By July, Josie will be several months past her original due date. I'm sure small and fragile still for a 7 month old, but probably about what a 2-3 month old would be. I would be most surprised if Josie was left at home, as VF conferences tend to be whole family deals (they are also promoters of age-integrated churches, meaning children are welcome in church services rather than being put into Sunday School segregated by age), and I'd be willing to bet the entire family will be there and Josie will be welcome at the tea along with her mother.

CappuccinoLife said...

Looked at the Baby Conference site more. JB and Michelle are one entry out of a list of 14 speakers.

And Cyn is right. However many people disagree with them, this is a Vision Forum event. No surprise that VF would give Michelle "mother of the year" award, as the Duggar family represents much of what VF holds dear--large family, home-business, consertative Christianity, gender roles, etc. No surprise there.

winsomeone said...

Little Jennifer is often seen picking at her nose. I wonder if they have had her checked for worms, as she seems to do this excessively, and that can be a symptom of worms.

Jess C said...

I saw Cousin Amy's little Bates comment on one of the 17 kids episodes. The ones back then were way less edited it seems, lots more was slipped verbally then. It's really a huge contrast.

Sure, Michelle receiving mother of the year is a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it is fair for us to say she does or has done absolutely NOTHING. They have a system, and I'm fairly certain that any family with that many children would function in a similar fashion. There was a point where Michelle did not have the girls to lean on, when they were still young, there were times where she had to weigh it all herself, she has struggled, has had sleepless nights at SOME point, just not so much now. The girls seem to want to be helpful, at least somewhat, and the kids seem to get along quite well and are close. I feel like we are way too critical of this family sometimes and are forgetting that they are people too, with reasonably well behaved polite children, and a large group of personalities to deal with at all times.

I don't think the girls are miserable, rather over the show and the cameras. They went from hour long specials to 3 seasons of a weekly show. They have been filmed in their teen years, the most awkward time in anyone's life. They might just be over it, which is why the focus is so often on the little ones, and (ugh) Josh.

And I agree with Nicole, I think JimBob is sweet, he is pretty dorky and dumb as rocks sometimes, but seems very kind. He really cares about the kids, is very savvy, and there really is nothing wrong with how he sees money/debt. He doesn't seem too arrogant about it when he speaks about it (unlike Josh!) and if he has made some kind of deals to get nice clothes, shoes, WHATEVER for his family I see no problem with that. I'm pretty sure we would all do the same thing if in that situation, ESPECIALLY with 19 kids.

Marybeth said...

Jinger's attitude seems about right for her age. I was bubbly, personable and pleasant to be around in my pre- to early teens as well. Once 15-16-17 hit, no, I was not one of the nicest most pleasant girls to be around (so my family likes to remind me.) I'd say that Jinger is living up to her age.

At that age, everything my parents said was "stupid," and everything my parents did was "stupid," and frankly, *I* knew everything there was to know about everything. It's quite possible, and judging from the glares, smirks, and silly faces she makes at the cameras, she's probably right there along with her peers hormonally. Seems about right to me.

Marybeth said...

"The reason most people probably go into debt is because they see what their parents or their peers have and they want it, and they want it right now." --Michelle Duggar
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Two words are important here "most" and "probably." Being just a few years younger than Michelle, I am one of that first generation that was blasted with images of excess in advertising, am part of the first wave of the MTV generation, and for those who did go to college, was offered endless access to credit cards. These are the people to whom Michelle was referring. The same people Dave Ramsey talks to everyday.

Michelle was right, most of my friends did leave home to get, not apartments with furnishings and appliances they could afford, but fancy apartments with furnishings and appliances they thought were cool. They had all the luxuries they would have had at "mom and dad's" --cable tv, color tvs, fancy food, and brand new stuff. And most of it bought with brand new credit cards and paid monthly with minimum payments.

I was the only one i knew that looked around for the cheapest apartment available, bought all my kitchen equipment from garage sales, and had hand-me-down furniture from every relative who would donate. I made all my credit card mistakes later, so I know Michelle was right.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I did not find Michelle's comment offensive stating that many young couples are in debt as they want the same things as their parents have when they start their home. This is a general statement and if the shoe does not fit does not mean you have to wear them nor does it mean that her statement if offensive.

It is true that many young people when they get married and start their home they want it all, that is a home, car, furniture, appliances, vacations etc. What may have taken years for their parents to acquire many young couples go into debt to make sure that their marriage starts with almost all of these items.

Anonymous said...

A 26 week preemie isn't miraculously better after four months in the NICU and three months at home. She doesn't need exposure to all those bus germs and germs and bugs at the conference.

Jim Bob and Michelle still don't get it. No matter what that idiot doctor said, Josie is not a regular,healthy newborn. She is still a four pound preemie who will need expensive doses of RSV meds, and needs her world as calm and stress-free as possible. That may be impossible with 18 siblings, ten of whom are out of control rambunctious, but they don't need to drag her to Texas, for heaven's sake. But if they leave her at home, I will think even less of Michelle.

The truth is that Michelle should have declined the speaking engagement in favor of her children, especially her ill one. It shows again how the needs of her children are not first,

Anonymous said...

Vision Forum (VF) that is sponsoring the Tea With Michelle has a scary website. It makes sense that they are going to give Michelle a Mother of the Year Award based on the number of children she has, not the quality of her mothering.

VF advocates that Earth Day is a cover-up for people to worship "magic crystals" to "channel their energy" and worship "Mother Earth". VF states that it is not permissible for a woman to hold any kind of public office, (I guess that means not even leader of a Girl Scouts troop) and that women have no place in the military, period, regardless of the in-combat issue they don't belong there.
And these issues were just what I could read in a quick 5-minutes.

Yes, I can see now where the basis for the award is sheer numbers of children. A mom of only one or two, no matter how devout in religious beliefs, would never be considered for this award, because in the eyes of VF, the woman hasn't "done her part" (i.e. birthed a small nation).

Now that I've read about VF, I am assured that there is no credibility in this Mother of the Year award.

Anonymous said...

I think Josh does come across as a "know it all" which I'm sure is part of being the oldest child; unfortunately he has a younger brother which I don't want to name who also has a talent for coming across as rather self-righteous as in "this is how OUR family does it".
THere will always be different personalities exhibited in a family that big and I do think the younger boy is slightly less self righteous than he used to be. That suggests to me that someone, probably Mom or Dad has been working with him. I think those two have made the whole family come across that way, especially when you add in Jinger's habit of rolling her eyes about everything which is actually very normal teen behavior.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe the older girls are getting depressed because any prospective spouses are keeping far far away.
Josh got engaged and married before the show started.
Maybe the're only getting proposals from "weird" people , as one of the girls said once."
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btw, Josh got engaged and married on the show!


The older girls need to go away to college in another state where they can be away from their families for awhile, have some fun, take classes NOT offered as part of ATI, and go out with non-weird guys.

Anonymous said...

If JB & M are blocking the phones of the 20-something, that demonstrates a systemic lack of trust in your children and, as adults, they have a right to access what they want.

Protection of younger ones is understandable, but once they hit 18, they are adults and entitled to freedom of access to a wider world and trust of their parents.

Do you think Josh still uses a "special computer" ?

Anonymous said...

I watched a re-run of an episode yesterday, and Michelle was in the interview chair. She was asked about why the Duggar girls all wear their hair alike and/or wear the same kind of clothing.

Michelle's response was that if you go to the Mall, you're going to see all the teenagers dressed in black, and all the teenagers with piercings.


When has Michelle been the mall recently? Josiah said in the episode at the thrift-store shoe escapade, that they specifically DON'T go to the mall.

So where does Michelle get the information that teenagers at the mall dress in all-black clothing and all have multiple piercings?

Hmmmm....maybe that's the information she's feeding her children to scare them away from the evil world of the big bad mall !

Cyn said...

If JB & M are blocking the phones of the 20-something, that demonstrates a systemic lack of trust in your children and, as adults, they have a right to access what they want.


Then they have the RIGHT to pay for it, and the RIGHT to buy it themselves. If the parents are buying it, and paying for the service they have the RIGHT to set how it will and will not be used.

"If you live in my house you will follow my rules" who hasn't had that said to them at least once in their life.

pumpkin said...

I have a comment about the poster who said "btw, Josh got engaged and married on the show!"

It may be true that this was shown on their TV show, however, Josh and Anna were married on Sept 26, 2008.

The first season of "17 Kids and Counting" premiered on Sept. 29, 2008.

So while the courtship and wedding was shown on television, it was all shown after the fact. Nobody knew who they were, except the few people who had seen the occasional Discovery Health special.

Now the Duggars are really famous... they have been on the cover of "People Magazine" for goodness sake.

Kitten said...

Nobody knew who they were, except the few people who had seen the occasional Discovery Health special.

Actually, there had been 4 or 5 specials by the time Josh and Anna married. A lot of people knew who they were. The Duggars had their website all set up, and were heavily promoting their 1st book by the time the courtship and marriage took place. Josh also had his own separate website set up at the same time the shows aired.

Saying it happened "before" the show began airing is disingenuous. EVERYTHING you see on the show is "after the fact" because it's all filmed weeks and usually months before it is shown. However, as "producers," JB and Michelle are part of the decision of what to film. Obviously, they chose to have Josh's "courtship" and marriage take place in front of cameras, knowing it would be a part of the weekly shows.

Anonymous said...

Then they have the RIGHT to pay for it, and the RIGHT to buy it themselves. If the parents are buying it, and paying for the service they have the RIGHT to set how it will and will not be used.
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This brings up an interesting (and as yet unanswered) point. Once the children reach 18 years of age, and are legally adults, do they get direct payment from TLC for their continued participation in the show. In my opinion, I think they should. They are adults, they should be paid for their employment.

In that way, they could then have their own money, and make their own financial decisions. If the adult children do NOT get a portion of the money, I think that's very wrong and it only serves to keep them "under the thumb" of their parents' rules into adulthood.

I don't think that is a healthy thing.

Cyn said...

In that way, they could then have their own money, and make their own financial decisions. If the adult children do NOT get a portion of the money, I think that's very wrong and it only serves to keep them "under the thumb" of their parents' rules into adulthood.

I don't think that is a healthy thing.

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There we would agree... IF the adult children are buying and paying for the minutes on the phones then some one "filtering" for them is just flat out wrong.

The kids have their own money (I have no idea about TLC) which they are allowed to use (remember the candy buying business one of the boys was setting up?) Josh saved his money up and bought or at least started his car business. John David did the same with his towing service.... for all we know the girls have bank accounts (not just the bank of Daddy) and are saving for their futures as well. EVEN if they (the girls) are only planning to use this with their future families as long as it is their decision and not something forced on them I'll all for it.

Anonymous said...

Can someone clarify for me this information? Is Kelly Bates pregnant again? And she had her last baby around last summer correct? I just wondered about this since I know they will be on the episode next week.

MOM IN TEXAS

Judy said...

Isn't accepting a "Mother of the Year" award of any type not really, um, modest?

Anonymous said...

"Josh saved his money up and bought or at least started his car business. John David did the same with his towing service"

Josh was given the car lot by his parents. He didn't start or save his money for anything.

Cyn said...

Josh was given the car lot by his parents. He didn't start or save his money for anything.

I've seen this stated all over the net in various forms but never with anything to back it up. What I have read though in the interviews with the Duggars and seen on the show is that JOSH started this business when he was 16.

The car lot that JimBob owned was sold when he ran for office the first time and won. The towing business that JimBob ran was sold years earlier (and Anna introduced us to the man it was sold to on one of the episodes) so can any one tell me how it's "known" that JimBob simply handed these boys their businesses?

winsomeone said...

"What I have read though in the interviews with the Duggars and seen on the show is that JOSH started this business when he was 16. "

How could he do that? He wouldn't be old enough to sign any legal papers..the same with buying or selling the cars..he wasn't old enough at age 16 to sign the tittles, buy insurance, etc.

Anonymous said...

winsomeone said:

How could he do that? He wouldn't be old enough to sign any legal papers..the same with buying or selling the cars..he wasn't old enough at age 16 to sign the tittles, buy insurance, etc.
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A very good point! I know that legal contracts, such as those involved in starting up a business, getting a loan to do so, buying insurance for that business, etc. -- can't be entered into unless you are an adult. So if he had the used car business at 16, it was either in JimBob's name and Josh was an employee (very likely the case), or else someone fudged the paperwork and he signed as an adult when he legally wasn't one (now, would a good Christian boy do that? ha!)

It seems pretty clear that JimBob helped set Josh up in this business, gave him the seed money, etc. It's not unusual for a father who has lots of money to do such a thing - set up his children in a small business, ease their way as it were. That seems the most likely scenario.

Unfortunately, Josh seems a rather lackadaisical young man. He likes to sleep late, he has banker's hours at his car lot, and I think he and Anna supplement their income from the car lot with money from TLC and from having all sorts of links on their web page. I have a feeling that they pay under the market value in rent on that home they have too - since it's family owned (and that's what family does if they can - let other family members rent from them at a reduced market value price).

All in all, I don't think Josh is any sort of real go-getter and once the TLC money dries out, he'll be scrambling to make ends meet. I look for him and Anna to make the rounds of ATI and other religious conferences, hawking the story of their chastity before marriage and their wonderful patriarchal household, etc. I wonder how much you can earn by being a speaker at such a conference? Do you think you could earn enough to support a wife and kids on that alone?

Anonymous said...

Judy said...

Isn't accepting a "Mother of the Year" award of any type not really, um, modest?

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Sigh, I know. And if she goes to accept this award in July, and takes her little preemie baby on the 9-hour drive there and back, is she really behaving in true Mother of the Year fashion? Or is she letting her ego drive her decision-making?

Anyone remember an old Spencer Tracy/Katherine Hepburn movie, called Woman of the Year? In the movie, Hepburn's character is a driven career woman and she impulsively takes in a refugee child, without consulting her husband. She later gets nominated for a Woman of the Year award, but on the night of the ceremony, the boy has a fever. She's so caught up in getting the award, she thinks he'll be fine on his own. Her husband thinks otherwise and refuses to attend the ceremony, saying he'll stay behind with the boy. She is so caught up in her own "wonderfulness" that she can't see how terrible some of her decisions have been.

That's what I think of when I hear this Mother of the Year award stuff and that Michele is planning to attend that conference and accept that award. She's all caught up in material things, earthly symbols that glorify her as a mother, that she's making some very poor decisions regards her own children, specifically Josie. Unfortunately, her husband is no Spencer Tracy character, there to save her from her selfish impulses. Instead, he's right along with her for the ride.

I see the Duggars as the sort of Christians who are always proclaiming how very Christian they are, how modest they are, how wonderfully they are exemplifying the right sort of life -- but they get so caught up in being praised and glorified that they lose sight of what's really important.

In her own way, Michelle Duggar is just as addicted to attention as Kate Gosselin. But because she clothes it in a sweet voice and Christian phrases, she flies under the radar much more easily.

Anonymous said...

I don't really care to watch this show anymore at all...the kids are wild and out of control,not formally educated and the parents do nothing about it.They don't even raise their voices at them,which is downright weird.There is NOTHING wrong with speaking up in order to get the kids to behave.And they could very well afford a private Christian school for them.There is no sense in them running around with no discipline,no real structure and no formal education.Meanwhile the parents MAYBE squeek up a litte to 'correct' them every once in awhile,albeit most of the time it seems the kids are babysitting each other.Enough.This isn't conservative at all.I'd like a to see a large family where real hands-on parenting and education goes on.

Looki said...

Kitten said...
Saying it happened "before" the show began airing is disingenuous.
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The point is, when Anna started dating Josh , she was not aware of the fact that their whole life is surrounded by cameras. An occasional special, yes.
In my opinion, now that they have been on TLC for 3 seasons, it is causing alot more distance from prospective suitors

Cyn said...

Josh does not rent the home he owns it out right, he bought it from his grandfather and rehabbed it.

AS for the business JimBob may have signed the contracts once the car sold. But I do know this it was not started with business loans OR do they have business loans now. What I do know is that JimBob sold HIS businesses years ago. So the businesses the boys are running now are not JimBob's hand me downs.

Complete speculation on MY part would be that they had the boys declared adults so they could run their own businesses. Otherwise how is/ was John David running that towing business...

Elizabeth said...

I used to love to watch The Duggars back when they had occasional specials on Discovery. Since they began the TV series, I am shocked at how the family has changed. The younger kids are totally out of control-no discipline whatsoever-and who is homeschooling these kids when Michelle and JB are spending hours at the hospital with Josie and MIchelle is spending 1/2 of her other waking time pumping breast milk? Michelle and JB are not raising the younger children-it's the older girls who are raising them-and doing the housework to boot. Very sad that they may never consider that they have other choices once they become eighteen other than hanging around the Duggar home taking care of the little ones.

Iliketheduggars said...

"They don't even raise their voices at them,which is downright weird.There is NOTHING wrong with speaking up in order to get the kids to behave...Enough.This isn't conservative at all."

Heeheehee... I guess that's why I like it. Technically religious conservative folks who are quite progressive (even liberal, God forbid) in some of their education and child-rearing philosophies.

Appeals to the heathen in me, I guess. ; )

Anonymous said...

In the episode where James (age 8?) repeatedly argued with Michelle about whether or not he had homework to do, I am shocked at how she handled it.
After every protest from the kid, Michelle just kept saying, "I'm going to show you where your homework is, James !".

Ugh, at what point does she look at James and very FIRMLY say, "Your argumentative behavior is UNACCEPTABLE. I will not tolerate any more arguments from you on this subject. If you continue to argue with me, then your consequence will be (insert privelege revoked here).

But no, Michelle just kept on with her baby-ish voice.

No wonder those kids act like they do, they know they can get away with it !

Anonymous said...

Do you suppose that Jim Bob set the boys up in business using some of the money they had earned bing child stars on a reality show? That would make sense to me.

On another subject. I have seen Michelle very quietly correct those boys and they obeyed immediately. She just doesnt seem to mind or have a rule about some of the things that bother some other mothers. That is her choice just as our rules for our family are our choice. They were the most wild and aggressive when their mother was in the hospital. She not only wasn't there to lend a calming influence, but they were sensing the stress the adults were feeling.

TooManyKids said...

If JB & M are blocking the phones of the 20-something, that demonstrates a systemic lack of trust in your children and, as adults, they have a right to access what they want.

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I agree, and are they really doing this?? If so: wow.!
I feel inside my guts that those older girls are NEVER going to marry. I am not trying to be hyperbolic. How will they "meet" anyone?? A mate just doesn't land on your doorstep!!
Is this part of some sort of design ,whether overt or subtle, on the parents' part to keep their slave laborers going? Or an inner jealousy on M.D.'s part; ie; her daughters not marrying/not meeting ANYone for a mate = no competing pregnancies for Michelle to have to deal with?? After all, looky how fast our Michelle got knocked up again when her first grandchild was in the oven.
Yep, I still beleive she has a PregnancyThing going on mentally, no matter what else is theorized or excused. Just TOO many kids, even when its ill-advisable. BTW that goes for the other woman as well, the one named "Kelly."

Anonymous said...

"Complete speculation on MY part would be that they had the boys declared adults so they could run their own businesses. Otherwise how is/ was John David running that towing business..."
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John David is 20, which means he could have legally been running the business for the last two years.

Anonymous said...

"I feel inside my guts that those older girls are NEVER going to marry. I am not trying to be hyperbolic. How will they "meet" anyone?? A mate just doesn't land on your doorstep!! "
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I've wondered this same thing. Seems to me the Duggars really only associate with the Bates, the Kellers, the Forsyths, the Querys and used to hang out with the Holts. Obviously there are other families we don't know about. But my point is, for all their boasting about homeschooling giving kids a chance to be around all ages, it also means they never meet anyone their own age. The only possible way the girls can find someone to marry is through a family with similar values who happens to have a son around their same age. That's why it looks like the Bates are their only option - Zach for Jana and Michealeh or Erin for John David. They may know other families, but to find a husband those girls need more options.

Cyn said...

John David is 20, which means he could have legally been running the business for the last two years.

The Duggar claim is when John David was 16 he started that one combined with Josh.

Cyn said...

They may know other families, but to find a husband those girls need more options.

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That's what the home-schoolers meetings are for in Texas, the church they attend, the town they live in... Other than at college where do most people their 'boyfriends'.

There are 10K plus at that summer meeting they attend, it's where Josh met Anna after all. It also where they are the most likely to meet people that hold the same values they do.

We may not agree with the "Duggars values" (or if they have any) but most people marry people that have the same basic values and or want the same things for their lives.

Anonymous said...

Somehow I missed this info... how far do Josh and Anna live from Michlle and Jb? Not when they're in Littlerock, but in their Tontitown house. What town is Josh's car lot in?

Amanda said...

I see the Duggars as the sort of Christians who are always proclaiming how very Christian they are, how modest they are, how wonderfully they are exemplifying the right sort of life -- but they get so caught up in being praised and glorified that they lose sight of what's really important.

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I think it's funny that people have to be told that they are modest, Christian, and are an encouragement for people, etc.

Should others be able to see those things without being told?

Amanda said...

I wouldn't name Michelle Mother of the Year. I think the title Breeder of the Year would be more appropriate.

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This made me laugh..being in Arkansas this is actually an award that a Cattleman or a horseman would get through whatever association he belonged too (whatever county Cattlemen Association.) Michelle said she was like a dairy cow.

Anonymous said...

I hope and pray at least one of those girls never marries.
What's wrong with being unmarried?
I hope one of them finds a fulfilling career/volunteer work/outside interests and finally gets a life of her own.

All these wishes for a 20-year-old woman to hurry up and find a spouse makes me cringe.

Snap! said...

I was watching a rerun today of 16 kids and moving in. I noticed a few things:
The kids were much less wild since Michelle was more involved with the little kids.
The Duggars seem much more trendy today. They were clean cut and shy before.
Michelle did used high efficiency detergent in her new laundry room! Not homemade detergent.
It is fun to look back at the Duggars of a few years ago.

Cyn said...

Michelle did used high efficiency detergent in her new laundry room! Not homemade detergent.

In "Cheaper by the Duggars" they said they had found the recipe a few months before, not that they have always used it. The 'Cheaper' episode was filmed after the 16 an moving in.

She probably had an issue with having to pay that much money for the laundry detergent. With John David around that can fix most anything I don't think they are worried about the warranty any more either.

As a final note the last part of the directions on making the home made soap is to half fill a clean laundry soap container with the stuff in the five gallon bucket then finish filling with water. So she might have gotten the detergent with the washers to begin with then refilled them with the home made stuff.

If you look in my laundry room it looks like I use "Tide" but I haven't used anything but the homemade stuff for over a year.

Anonymous said...

This afternoon I watched the episode where Jackson gets lost in the airport. I couldn't believe Michelle didn't even pay any attention to him after he was found. I was apalled. I thought a couple times that I saw her next to him, because I was sure that she would at least go over to him, but each time I was wrong and it was one of the girls. I absolutely cannot believe this. Mother of the year, huh.

Anonymous said...

If this is indeed what happened (Michelle not giving any attention to Jackson), then that is disturbing. However we have no way of knowing if the footage we saw was immediately right after Jackson was found and returned, or if Michelle was even in the vicinity when he came back (perhaps visiting the bathroom with another child, for example). It is assuming an awful lot by watching the very limited and edited segments of this incident that we are routinely given on this show. I guess I am willing to give Michelle the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Amanda said...

Even if Michelle were in the bathroom when Jackson " got lost" why would she not comfort him? Yes I know we don't see everything but If she did why not show it?

Other than babies MD is not a nurturing mother, but she doesn't seem to be nurturing overall.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
This afternoon I watched the episode where Jackson gets lost in the airport. I couldn't believe Michelle didn't even pay any attention to him after he was found. I was apalled. I thought a couple times that I saw her next to him, because I was sure that she would at least go over to him, but each time I was wrong and it was one of the girls.
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I was an occasional watcher of the show at this point, watching more from morbid curiosity than anything else. But up to that point, I had thought of Michele as a mom who had too many kids, but basically doing her best and being a loving mom.

But that particular episode, where one of her little children was lost in a busy airport, and she seemed so totally unphased, and was not shown comforting him in the least, was a real eye opener.

I remember my son wandering off once when he was small. He didn't go far, only to the neighbor's house next door. But those few moments when I couldn't find him and didn't know where he was, were some of the worst moments I've had. My stomach dropped, my heart started racing. When I rounded the corner and saw my little guy, I felt light headed with relief. I hugged him and felt tears on my cheeks. He had only wandered 50 or 100 yards away, but the fear of "what if" was very real.

I saw none of that in Michele, and I thought, "what is the matter with her?" Jackson was clearly upset, yet she did not go to comfort him. She acted like it was no big deal that her son was lost in a major airport! She felt no need to go to him, to hold him close to her heart, to comfort him and herself.

Anyway, that was the moment I realized she doesn't have the same sort of maternal feelings I associate with motherhood. So no, I'd never think of her as Mother of the Year material. She's good at breeding, but not really into the whole "mothering, raising your kids" part.

Anonymous said...

I guess I missed this one....can someone explain why JB and Michelle have 80 days of abstinence after the birth of a girl, and a different number (forgot the exact number noted) of days abstinence after the birth of a boy? What does the gender have to do with anything?

Anonymous said...

"However we have no way of knowing if the footage we saw was immediately right after Jackson was found and returned, or if Michelle was even in the vicinity when he came back (perhaps visiting the bathroom with another child, for example)."
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Michelle was shown in the scene and was in the background chatting with Jim Bob and a few other people. Way in the background. Jana was holding Jackson, and Michelle could be seen but was nowhere near them.

grace said...

I had actually never seen that episode (with Jackson getting lost) so I went back and watched it. Poor little guy. The reality is probably that he ASKED for Jana because that's who he goes to for comfort. He probably didn't even "want" his momma. Not that Michelle seemed to care much. What a shame... the CAMERA MAN was the one that realized Jackson was missing and they were calling his name on the intercom.

I was a preschool teacher at one point in my life.. and simply crossing the road with a class of 12 small children nearly gave me a panic attack. Michelle leisurely strolls along in LaLa land while her 19 children are wandering through airports and busy streets. I don't get it.

Anonymous said...

I remember the episode when Jackson was lost in the airport. It is true that we don't know how long it had been when the scene was shot but I do remember Jackson sitting on his buddies lap still seeming upset and sniffling and Michelle in the background on her cell phone. Obviously Jackson had been crying and was still feeling upset and it was his buddy comforting him while his mother was on the phone.

This is the time that Michelle should have had her older children watching her kids and went out looking for her son. It was Jim Bob who was looking, and even he didn't seem to upset. If one of my children was missing in an airport I would be frantic and would be out looking for them.

Cyn said...

Re Airport Missing Child:

The child had gone to the bathroom and when he came out of the bathroom he went left instead of right. The calling on the intercom was because some one found him BEFORE they could even notice he was missing. The announcement on the intercom was them (airport people) announcing they had found him, JimBob was walking down to pick him up (ALREADY safe and sound so no need to panic and scare the child even more). When he got down to the other end of the concourse they (airport people) had already walked him back down to the rest of the family. The Camera man had gone with JimBob so we did NOT see the 'reunion' with Michelle. NOR do we know if he was crying because he had been scolded by his mother for wandering off to begin with, or was upset because he "losted them"

He was not gone from their sight more than 5 min TOTAL. That's going to the bathroom, coming back out and heading the wrong direction, finding some one to call for his parents, and JimBob making the walk down and back up.

My biggest issue was they let him go to the bathroom with out his buddy OR one of the older boys... and frankly for all we know they went as a group and the one that went missing left first or last and the rest assumed he was with the others.

If we are going to condemn the Duggars for the child getting 'lost' you may as well condemn 75% of the mothers on this planet that have had a child wander off for a few minutes only to turn back up about the time you notice he was gone.

As for being on the phone, she might have been calling one of the children she sent off to look for said missing child and was calling them back in.

As I said sending the child or children off to the potty with out an older MALE was beyond dingy, the rest happened from that point. He had been at least taught his FULL name, and to find some one in uniform to help him.... He didn't just keep wandering around.

Anonymous said...

"He was not gone from their sight more than 5 min TOTAL."
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Five minutes is all it takes for a predator to abduct a child. Shame on them.

Anonymous said...

"He was not gone from their sight more than 5 min TOTAL."
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I will never forget reading a tragic story in the papers some years ago about a family on an outing to a local park. Their young boy, perhaps age 10 or so, went into the restrooms. Unfortunately for him, it was the wrong place at the wrong time. While his older brother waited outside the restroom for him, a predator killed him in a matter of seconds, then calmly walked out of the bathroom and away. When the boy did not come out after awhile, the brother went in to find this horrifying sight.

It doesn't take a minute for something bad to happen to a child. The Duggars were once again darn lucky that Jackson was all right except for being a little upset.

I couldn't understand Michelle's laissez faire attitude about the whole thing. She didn't go to comfort him, hold him close and whisper "I'm sorry that happened, but you're all right now son," or even pat him on the back reassuringly.

If she is so unworldly that she doesn't understand the very real dangers in a busy airport, then she needs to educate herself. A parent is supposed to be the protector of their child.

Anonymous said...

If we are going to condemn the Duggars for the child getting 'lost' you may as well condemn 75% of the mothers on this planet that have had a child wander off for a few minutes only to turn back up about the time you notice he was gone.
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But how many of those parents comfort their child? maybe give them a hug and kiss and tell them to never ever did that again, etc?

Having not seen this episode but from the comments MD acted as if nothing happened. Maybe she has so many that they all get lost in the crowd

Not having children myself but doing stuff with church and nieces and nephews,etc. I have to know where they are all the time. I took my 16 year old niece and 4 of her friends who were 17 and 18 to the Memphis Zoo and even tho they did their own thing I stayed far enough away to see them and if I didn't see them for a comfortable time I called them. I do that with ALL the children I deal with, if I take 4 with me I take 4 back. I can't imagine a mom who would not do the same thing.

Anonymous said...

I don't condemn the Duggars for having a lost child. I too have had a child wonder away and let me tell you it was the scariest thing that can happen. I don't care if it is 5 minutes, 5 hours, or even longer it is scary and I was shook up for quite awhile as was my child who didn't want to be away from my side afterwards.

No, condemnation comes from Michelle not having any emotion about it. And really we don't know how long he was missing. He could have been wondering around for longer than 5 minutes we don't know. If it was really that long that Jim Bob and the cameraman did come back you would think Michelle would still be upset but she wasn't.

I believe from the shot that all the were there when Michelle was on the phone so she wasn't calling one of them. She probably figured her child was back and safe so she can carry on with what she needed to do instead of comforting him herself.

Anon 3:14 said...

I would like to commend Anna for not (as far as I have seen) ever discussing her breasts, breastfeeding, breastmilk, nor being filmed while breastfeeding.

The re-run last night showing Michelle discussing at length her breastmilk, how often she pumps, blah blah blah, was just too much.

She's the Dairy Queen (a title she imposed on herself), we get it. Enough already.

Jen said...

"I would like to commend Anna for not (as far as I have seen) ever discussing her breasts, breastfeeding, breastmilk, nor being filmed while breastfeeding."

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I believe that Anna was filmed breastfeeding when her baby was very new.

I remember think how discreetly she was nursing with out a tent or a nursing pillow.

Cyn said...

I met my husband of 17 years through a friend in High School... I met him once, then a few months later I met him again.... Three years later I started going out with him and married him 6 months later. Since none of my family have ever gone to college, we meet our spouses in High School or church.

Most of my married friends did the same thing... and it was what I was basing my opinion on, my experience.

Joanne, RN said...

IMHO the nursing tent is ridiculous. One of the primary purposes of feeding your baby besides the obvious - is the bonding. When the baby gazes into the mommy's face during feeding time whether breast or bottle is one of the most precious moments of motherhood. this does not occur with that tent contraption. All the poor baby can see is darkness and breast - not mommy.
I nursed two babies and believe me it can be done discreetly without that thing.

Anon 3:14 said...

Anna may have been descreetly breastfeeding but I missed it.

My point was, kudos to Anna for not discussing her breasts, breastmilk, quantity of breastmilk, quality of breastmilk, a freezer full of breastmilk, or any other of the beyond-too-much-information that Michelle Duggar seems to think the public wants to know about her private parts !


Modesty includes how you act, not just how you dress.

rpw said...

Does anyone know why the Duggars seem to have abandoned their website. 4 months later and still no mention of Josie.

Anonymous said...

I was watching a video online earlier about a child labor law hearing in PA. It was brought up mostly because of the former TLC family and it was quite interesting to hear some of the things that TLC did during filming.

One of the things they said was how they told the kids that it was Christmas morning because they wanted to catch the moment for filming. Afterwards they told them that it wasn't really Christmas it was just for the show.

I know this isn't about the the other family so I won't go into anymore of it but it sure made me wonder how they really film the Duggars. Since it is TLC I would assume that they do a lot of the same things with the Duggars.

I wonder if they have permanant cameras in their bedrooms so they can get enough footage to use for filming. Tney did in the other family and we know they added shades in the Duggar home for the lighting. I wonder if they have added lights as well. We know they will film in their bedrooms and when the children are in their beds.

We can pretty much assume that a lot of the is scripted and that they don't really film their day to day lives but film around themes.

One of the things that was mentioned was how the cameraman and soundman would be in another area of the home alone with the kids. We have seen that many times with the Duggars. I know they say the people they work with are like family now but it really is kind of creepy thinking of a person walking around filming what your children are doing. Even little Jennifer told Jim no when he was following her. I am glad he seemed to stop filming and honored her request, I wonder how many times those requests have not been honored so they can have a scene for the show.

I sure hope that Jim Bob and Michelle went into this with both eyes wide open and had a lawyer look over their contract with a fine tooth comb.

I hope they do pass some child labor laws for all children of reality tv so they have the same safety and rights as children of scripted shows and movies. There are quite a few people who have fought for those child stars and it is time that reality show children have the same rights.

ash said...

I'd also like to point out something that came up in the PA labor laws hearing video--the video is more related to another TLC reality show, but this is one point that I found very pertinent.

Paul Peterson (of A Minor Consideration) points out around the 1 hour, 26 minute mark that California actually had to pass a law stating that premature babies can not be hired or filmed for entertainment purposes until they reach their normal expected due dates.

He brought this up to illustrate his point that large entertainment corporations will do anything in the name of profit and will not take the welfare of the child into consideration unless required by law.

Obviously, this is a California state law. It is probably meant to apply to child "actors" and may not even provide protection to children in reality shows. But I find it very interesting, especially in light of some of the recent discussion regarding the filming of Josie.

Granny said...

My 2 cents worth after sitting on the sidelines. I've watched episodes on Youtube of Duggars and other families on "reality" TV to see what people are concerned about. No matter how good or bad or ugly they are, the children's lives are laid bare forever. Forever. For the whole world to see (and I'm in Asia, not the US). I like some of the families I've seen and the kids are all great kids, but I won't be watching Duggars or anyone else again, even on Youtube. My children are adults now and we've forgotten a lot of what happened when they were growing up. We don't remember all of their misbehavior, nor is it recorded on film for all to see. My sons would be mortified if I told family, friends or strangers about some things that we do remember. (Just as I am mortified when my dear mother blurts something out - even now when I am so much older.) They were a "work in progress" as children (and I was a Mom wearing "L" plates) - it's what they are like today that matters and it's all the world needs to see and know unless my children decide to tell more of their own stories. "Reality" TV is CRUEL to all child stars. No one's life should be out there like that - it's an abuse of the children's trust in their parents to take care of them and do the best they can for them. Interesting how some reality families claim to be Christian. I've noticed that preachers often give examples of their family ups and downs from the pulpit too, and I always squirmed for their children. It just isn't right to betray their confidence, but in the name of Christian teaching or testimony it is done more than I had previously imagined. And now it's being done on TV/Internet. Whatever happened to having a close knit group of family and friends to share life's joys and struggles instead of thinking you have to put it on TV (or tell it on speaking tours, preaching, etc) to the humiliation and embarrassment of your children? Duggars, and others, your children deserve better than that. Pull the plug. People are judging your children harshly because YOU exposed them. Give them back their privacy. I hope that laws can be put in place to protect children from the cruel practice that is reality TV. And also from the writing of books about them and speaking tours ... !

Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more Granny. I have been feeling uneasy with watching the Duggars lately just like I started to feel that way with the Gosselins. At first it was interesting and now it seems like an invasion. The children are not the ones deciding to be on tv, they may not seem to mind it now (for some it is all they know) but who knows how they may feel several years later.

How would it make you feel to have your children to come to you when they are adults and ask why they allowed such private moments to be aired for the entire world to witness, and to purchase videos to own. It is just plain creepy to think that people own videos of you that they can watch whenever they want or to look up videos online.

It also bothers me that Jim Bob and Michelle like to hand out pictures of their family to complete strangers on the street. If they gave me one I would hand it back to them and say no thank you, why would I want a picture of your family?

I wonder at what cost is it to be an encouragement to others. I do not think the invasion of your children's privacy is worth the encouragement that complete strangers might possibly get.

Anonymous said...

I follow the posts here however I can't watch the show anymore. This is all so fake and so wrong for the children. As usual its all about the money. It's time to know who gets how much for this. At first it was interesting and seemed real. But week after week it became more planned. I hope there is proof money is being put aside for each child in some sort of trust. I also hope God decides this is enough babies. I also hope he sends a sign no more "reality" tv performances.

msrylee said...

In another thread, it is mentioned that there is a map of the Duggar house in their book. Why in the name of common sense and safety of their "blessings" would JB and M include it? I have a deep faith in God and believe He can and does protect my family, but would never make public the lay-out of my home, or anything else about my "blessings".

Anonymous said...

In another thread, it is mentioned that there is a map of the Duggar house in their book. Why in the name of common sense and safety of their "blessings" would JB and M include it? I have a deep faith in God and believe He can and does protect my family, but would never make public the lay-out of my home, or anything else about my "blessings".

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IMO, the answer to your question is simple:

While the Duggars are not nearly as righteous as their TLC branding portrays, they really ARE as intellectually challenged as we see in their life choices.

The child abduction cases in the last several years makes publishing a map to the kids bedrooms negligent parenting at best.

Brains are to be used.
God helps those who help themselves.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Granny: Standing Ovation, Granny! My sentiments exactly.

Debra said...

Granny -

Applauding in Alabama!

Anonymous said...

Granny, I think you spoke for so many of us with that post!! To add to the conversation, I've recently been thinking a lot about how reality TV children are exploited. Sadly, I've realized it's not only reality families doing this, but as a previous poster mentioned, other families in the name of "encouragement" or "ministry." I recently had a pastor use a story about his son as an example to illustrate a point. Using his son's name, told us graphically all about a time when the son was sick and "open at both ends." I also saw our youth pastor's wife post on Facebook the other day that her son had diarrhea. We saw Johanna in the bathroom throwing up. What is wrong with our culture? I would be absolutely FURIOUS with my parents if they had ever revealed these moments in my childhood to others. One thing I've promised myself and any possible future children is that I will not follow the current trend of posting/filming/discussing their private moments with those who do not need to know.

Anonymous said...

I just realized something - for those of us who have been anticipating a Duggar/Bates engagement announcement - I believe Jana and Zack is the only possibility. We've been talking about how the producers seem to be playing up the Erin/John David possibility, but Erin's only 18. Even Micheala is only 19. If the Bateses are anything like the Duggars, then the girls won't even be allowed to court until they're 20. Of course the Erin/JD thing wasn't going to happen like we all thought - she has 2 more years to go! Besides, Micheala is closer in age and temperment, but like I said, even she has a year to go before it's even a possibility.

Anonymous said...

Preach it Granny! You are right on.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I see no problem in discussing illness of a child. I am sure my mother talked or shared with others my illnesses and it did not affect me. I do not think all this is so private that it can not be discussed as life happens. The Duggars have not crossed the line in anything they have shared as far as I am concerned.

Anonymous said...

"I see no problem in discussing illness of a child. I am sure my mother talked or shared with others my illnesses and it did not affect me. I do not think all this is so private that it can not be discussed as life happens. The Duggars have not crossed the line in anything they have shared as far as I am concerned."
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Sharing illnesses with close family members is one thing. Airing it on national television for all to see is another. Those kids don't have a choice. They're going to grow up and turn into their own people and want to develop relationships with others on their own terms. Meanwhile, we are all going to know things about them that they don't know about us. It just isn't fair. Children are people, too, and while we all mention to those around us if our child is sick, it's much different than documenting their lives (the good AND the bad) for all to see. I agree with the previous poster who mentioned that childrearing isn't always glamorous and there are kinks to work out along the way. Those things aren't anybody's business. When that child grows up, it should be his or her choice to decide what to share about the past.

Anonymous said...

As to discussing our children with friends or family, let me share how my child responds when I sometimes share what I think is an innocent humorous moment of his life with my mom (his grandma). He overheard me not long ago on the telephone doing just that and was very upset with me. For whatever reason, in his mind, I apparently was sharing something he didn't want to go beyond the four walls of our house. It wasn't anything humiliating or deeply private, just something he did that I found clever and amusing. But to him, that should have stayed between us.

The incident is past us, my son has forgiven me for embarrassing him, and I've learned to be careful and let him share what he wants with his grandparents about his life.

This is why I say any parents who put their children on a reality show for the entertainment of others and the profit to themselves are in the wrong. It has the effect of taking away their privacy. Untold numbers of strangers know all sorts of details about their lives that only their family should know. It's just not right.

Anonymous said...

Wow, if discussing on national television the very date that your baby was conceived (oh, Father's Day!) is not "crossing the line" in what the Duggars have shared, then I don't kinow what would be considered crossing the line. Where is it going to stop? Enough already.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't have said it better. There is a huge difference between sharing details with close friends and family but an entire different situation when it is aired for the entire world to see. Not only aired but recorded to play back anytime anyone wants to see it or look it up online.

It may seem quite innocent at the moment but there is no way of knowing how these children are going to feel in years to come. Why take the chance, I guess everything, including your children's privacy, has a price.

msrylee said...

My mother shared with a few people (family and close friends) about my illnesses, but the viewing public never saw me with my head hanging in the toilet bowl, throwing up. Some things are private, and it is my opinion that these reality families have crossed the line.

Anonymous said...

rpw said...
Does anyone know why the Duggars seem to have abandoned their website. 4 months later and still no mention of Josie.
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Could be cause they have a premie in the hospital and they don't have time to keep up on that. Yes, I realize they did TV spots on the Today show and they are still being followed by the TLC camera's but really I am thinking they have more important things to do than worry about a stupid website!

Anonymous said...

Whether it was Jon Gosselin extracting poop from his young son, or seeing the tups sitting on potties, or whether it is Johanna barfing or Jim Bob showing the clogged toilet or talking about conception dates...it is ALL over the line. Every bit of it.

The Duggars aren't superior to the G family because they seem to have a better marriage or are "better" Christians. They have both exploited their children for profit.

It is only too bad that there are no laws to protect these children, because their parents have no common sense. Someone should protect the children from having their privacy invaded, their lives shown on TV, and having no say in the matter. One day, all of those kids from reality shows are going to be cringing in embarrassment (or worse--not speaking to their parents) at the spectacle their parents made of their private growing up moments.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous@2:46: Applause, Applause, Standing Ovation!

You speak the truth.

Calling oneself "Christian" does NOT make exploiting your family ok.

Pull the plug on these bogus 'reality' programs.

Set the children free.

Cyn said...

Jim Bob showing the clogged toilet

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Completely off topic I know, but I laughed till I cried when they showed that one.

I have 5 kids, we have fished EVERYTHING you can think of out of a toilet and my husband and I can take a toilet up and off the base in nothing flat, and have taught the boys (they are older) how to do it as well. My husband watched the episode later with me on youtube and laughed as well.

At one point we two bought the wax seals by the case. It just made me think yep, the Duggar kids are human too (curiosity is all I can think as to why they flush things not meant for a toilet) LOL.

Cyn said...

I meant too, not two in the previous post.

Anonymous said...

Might have been cute had Jim Bob been fishing out things that the little kids had thrown into the toilet, but there was nasty, nasty, icky poo in there, and frankly, I thought it was absolutely G-R-O-S-S! Maybe we have all had clogged toilets, but I did NOOOOTTTT need to see that on national television (and if I were one of those kids, I would be absolutely mortified that my dad thought that was great footage).

GROSS!

Not a Fundie said...

Jim Bob=James Robert!!! I didn't get that until I saw it on a website somewhere. Lol. I thought his name was simply Jim Bob, like he was really country or something.

Anonymous said...

My hope is that at least one of the Duggar children will write a tell-all book someday. Not because I will want/need to read it, but because they will have something to get off their chest, so to speak. It might be very cathartic. The sad thing is that by that time, they will be old news & the book will probably end up on the bargain table next to the rest of the has beens.

kimmie said...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I think the brand stores cant sell an item, sell to the thrift store for less,.
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Not sure where you're getting your info, but from experience in volunteering in a couple of thrift stores over the years, I can tell you that's not the norm.
4/04/2010 8:10 PM

At our Goodwill several stores DO donate brand new still-tagged items at the turn of the seasons. They are priced just slightly more than the used things. and they still have the original tags and prices on them.

Cyn said...

It WAS what Michelle was discussing is how they get clogged up, with the smaller children flushing different items down.

The only time we know a toilet has been clogged is after some one has pooped in it. I assumed that was Murphy's Law. Glad to know it doesn't happen to every one, just me and the Duggars, oh yeah and Jeff Foxworthy....

Yes it's gross, yes it's nasty, but it's also funny I saw the humor in it others obviously did not.

Anonymous said...

Michelle has already won 'mother of the year award' once..why doesn't she just defer it to someone else,like say, a single mom who has been widowed and doesn't have her own tv show or a hubby to help her make ends meet??

Has there been any new news on Josie,like how she is doing or when will she get to return home again?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I would not be surprised if the Tell all books that may come forth from the various children would be full or wonderful comments about how they were raised in a huge large happy family. I think what we see is what is happening and that all of the negative things are just things projected by those who just do not understand them.

tngal said...

For a family that values modesty, I do not think it is very modest to have cameras in the bedroom. Cameras in any bedroom is bad, especially young women and girls. They are only modest on selective things. If it makes Mr. Duggar money, then cameras in the bedroom are fine. They have also clips from the bathroom. That is gross and totally invasion of privacy, i.e. when Johannah was sick!

lovedoc said...

Hello, I am new here. I just wanted to make a comment on Michelle and the Breast Milk. I actually support that that she mentions the breast milk and especially has shown that side of premmie life. Alot of parents shown on TV are shown quickly switching to formula fed babies. With a recommendation by Pediaitricians for babies to be breast fed until they are 1 yrs old, its inspiring to see someone follow through. Premmies also may get the worst of it, with mothers having to use breast pumps at home to bring cases of the breast milk to the hospital. Many premmie moms grow weary of the process and abandon it all together. Saying it on the show alot, especially in the context of taking care of Josie, may inspire other moms to do it as well.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars aren't superior to the G family because they seem to have a better marriage or are "better" Christians. They have both exploited their children for profit.

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This is very true. The packaging may be a lot prettier, and goodness knows that conservative Christians really want to have some role models on television, but it is still exploiting your children to have them on television like this.

Their lives are no longer private. People know where they live. People can even see a diagram of the home, down to where the bedrooms are located. People know their birthdays, strangers send e-mails to the girls' father asking to marry one or another of the daughters, the daughter-in-law is filmed while giving birth to her first child, information on conception dates is shared, on and on and on and on.

It is exploiting the situation in order to make money. Pretty it up (Duggars, sweet talking, modest clothing) or ugly it up (Kate G, shrieking, ungrateful, hardly modest clothing) -- both sets of parents accepted money in return for allowing their children to be filmed for public consumption.

Anon 3:14 said...

I would not be surprised if many, many, of the Duggar children grow up to be permenently single, or even if they marry, end up purposely having only one or two children.
This would be their way of rebelling against the way they were forced to live, instead of having to write a "tell-all" book.

Anonymous said...

"I think what we see is what is happening and that all of the negative things are just things projected by those who just do not understand them."

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OR, maybe it is precisely a fuller & broader understanding that makes some feel negative toward the Duggars.

Seems unwise to discount others simply because they may see things differently.

The Duggars as portrayed on TV are extreme in their apparently lifestyle choices. This kind of portrayal typically engenders strong and opposing viewpoints.

Respect to all would be a Christian way to view others with different views.

Cyn said...

They are only modest on selective things.
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They have only claimed to be 'modern modest' in their DRESS. It's all the Duggars ever claimed to be. The Duggar FANS claimed the rest for them.

They never claimed to be anything but a former car salesman and a politician, neither profession is very modest that I have ever noticed. One thing I could never figure out is why become a politician if he hates speaking in front of crowds.

ooo Wait I take that back I think they also said they lived modestly within their means but I could be wrong on that one.

Red Line said...

"They have only claimed to be 'modern modest' in their DRESS. It's all the Duggars ever claimed to be. The Duggar FANS claimed the rest for them."

What's the point in being modest in your dress when you discuss clearly sexual topics on TV? For example, Michelle and Jim Bob talked about "cervical softening" at their Bradley class. For those of you who may not know, cervical softening means having lots of sex while you're pregnant so your cervix is softer for delivery.

How is that remotely appropriate? I don't care if they're married. I don't care if they have a wonderful sex life. It's not an appropriate topic for a "family-friendly" show. I'd rather my kids see a few inches of Michelle's skin rather than hear about Michelle's cervix being "loved on". Good GRIEF! Way too much information.

Anonymous said...

Exactly about them only being modest in dress. If that is all they claim to be modest in then I give them props for that. But like someone said, what is the point when they talk about other things that are much more immodest than some clothing.

Cyn said...

Michelle and Jim Bob talked about "cervical softening" at their Bradley class.
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It's TLC, they show birthing classes, the entire early afternoon is devoted to birthing shows, adoption shows, the days after giving birth, and they discuss all kinds of medical issues.

Which is technically what "cervical softening addresses, "it's God's and Natures way of bringing on labor" is how my first Doctor put it. It's what your OBGYN checks for every time he does a pelvic in the last month of pregnancy.

Why does it surprise any one that TLC aired the comments or that JimBob made the comment in a Bradley class with other married adults present?

How is the comment not appropriate for the setting in which is was uttered? The airing of the comment may or may not have been in good taste, but where the comment was made and to the people it was made to it was appropriate.

I'm all for the notion that some days there is just way TMI from these shows, but the comment about cervical softening in a natural childbirth class was completely appropriate, in its setting.

In hindsight though, airing it in on national TV, might not have been one of JimBob's better ideas, or TLC's for that matter.

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob has made a lot of boneheaded decisions about what to air (since he is the producer, after all, or one of them).

Whether it was his comment about people preferring debt to children, or his sharing Josie's conception date, or talking about cervical softening, showing Michelle's period calendar which the girls "watch like hawks" or filming Michelle's open Csection belly (when we can't see her neck in kangaroo care, because audiences can't see 'Mama's skin, or her neck in that ridiculous Kleinfeld gown), or showing the JoshandAnna absolutely mad handsex while talking constantly about modesty, modesty, modesty...just shows that Jim Bob lack of common sense and hypocrisy.

It's just embarrassing.

Anon 3:14 said...

If the show is going to have mature subject matter, i.e. discussing the topic of cervical softening in a Bradley class, or if the show is going to discuss Michelle & JimBob having sex on Father's Day, the setting makes no difference.
It doesn't matter if it's shown in a Bradley class or the doctor's office, it's still MATURE subject matter.


Put a warning label on the screen at the beginning of the Duggars show, and after every commercial as the show re-starts, "warning, this show contains mature subject matter", etc, etc, and stop touting this show as "family friendly".

The show is turning into Duggar Sex Ed 101. What's next? Filming the conception itself ? With Sean narrating?

Amanda said...

re- Duggar TMI

Once on here someone said that it was JB was trying to make up for being a loser in high school (if I remember correctly)

All the information that he gives is really like he is proud of his achievements and he wants EVERYONE to know how better he is now..."we have sex like rabbits, while she's pregnant, on special days, etc

He also suffers from what my mom suffers from and I suffered from when I was younger- diarrhea of the mouth. They don't realize that there are some things that people don't need to know and it's way TMI(My mom has told me about her having diarrhea, her co-workers that I have never met and once I heard her tell her male neighbors that she was cramping) Thank the Lord that I have been healed from this lol.

I just remembered that my mom told EVERYONE when I started my period. I was horrified. I still don't share that info with anyone but my hubby and I wouldn't tell him unless I had to.

JB does remind me of someone who wanted to be important when he was younger but never was and he is trying to make up for it now.

msrylee said...

Anon 3:14, I totally agree with you. The comment about filming the conception almost caused my breakfast to leave my stomach!! As younger children watch the show, it should be prefaced with a mature content statement. The Duggars have no problem discussing these issues in front of their blessings, but not every other parent would approve.

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