Tues, May 4, Duggar Heavy Metal

The Duggars love heavy metal...no, not the music! Watch as the family visits Stone County Ironworks to learn about the art of blacksmithing, listen to authentic bluegrass music, and make their own ironworking project.

30 minutes

82 comments:

Anonymous said...

If cousin Amy is going, I am not watching..

Anonymous said...

I am SO sick of all these inane field trips! What does the family REALLY do with their time? Does Sean really think we're interested in watching them pack for 75% of the episode and then watching them go to some stupid tourist trap?

winsomeone said...

Me either!!

Anonymous said...

They haven't had an episode all about Josie for awhile... maybe they are holding out until the big Mother's Day special.

Anonymous said...

And where is the beloved Josie?

If I have to hear JB say one more time in his best faked enthusiasm-filled voice, "Hey, Guys....." - I may need one of the Duggar carsick bags.

Granny said...

I refuse to watch any program that exploits children. As much as I like the Duggar kids, they should not be exploited in this way. No child's life should be laid bare like this just for my entertainment or so that people can make money at his/her expense. We don't NEED to watch. There other ways to learn or be ministered to without exploiting children. The reality is that they and we are all being used by TLC and others to make big money. It's not really about learning or ministry, it's about making money. Oh, and did I mention that the children are being exploited?

Swissmiss said...

If this site is near their temporary home in Little Rock, hopefully Amy would not drive 3 hours to participate. But you never know.

pumpkin said...

This might be interesting... if we hadn't seen them take a couple of ridiculous field trips recently. Like last week's trip to the mountain and a few weeks ago when they went to the submarine.

The Duggars are, unfortunately, getting more like the "other TLC family" every day.

grannyD said...

I have not decided that the children are exploited...everyone talks about the fact that they are always on field trips...you don't really see them in their day to day life..you see them only a small amount of real life..they are usually traveling or appearing somewhere or on a field trip..if you go on a trip you take your camera and record all of it....only with the Duggars more people see their home videos.

Anonymous said...

Bluegrass music? Hmmm...wonder if it will garner the same reaction as the Ethiopian restaurant? Will the little ones "jump for joy?"- it's hard to listen to bluegrass without at least tapping your toe. So many questions....

Anonymous said...

you don't really see them in their day to day life..you see them only a small amount of real life..
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Actually, I think we're seeing much more of their real life. Their real life is basically doing whatever show ideas TLC wants them to do. The reason we don't see more of their "home life" is that TLC doesn't really want viewers to be faced with the fact that the older girls are nothing more than unpaid servants and nannies. Much easier to just film them on field trips away from home, where they "help out" by taking care of the children while JB and Michelle prattle on about how great they are as parents.

Anonymous said...

I keep hearing from various comments that we only see a little bit of their lives, and that what we see isn't their real life. But isn't that what the show is supposed to be about -- isn't this supposed to be a reality show, not an entertainment show?

Seems like every TLC show about families sooner or later just turns into a bunch of staged events where they can turn the cameras on and then the family gets filmed for audience entertainment.

People watch this show for entertainment purposes. It's a family that performs so that they can earn money, so that TLC can earn money, etc. I don't see it as any different than an old time vaudeville show. Except at least with vaudeville people, they did let their children decide if they wanted to become more than performers.

Laurie said...

The boys need a trip of their own, an educational trip on how to do all the chores the girls have to do ALL the time. It won't hurt them to do their own laundry, etc.
The ONE day they switched 2 years ago is not enough. Maybe they should learn blacksmithing, they could make a living shoeing the Amish horses.
The girls need a break!

Anonymous said...

Snooooooore! What a bore!!

Scripted field trips to silly places are not interesting. I want to see Josie and how the family reacts to her, not another trip in the bus.

Kitten said...

Hope they don't play "Little Brown Jug" or any music with "suggestive" lyrics, or toe-tapping melodies that might stir up Nike feelings. Oh, wait, then it wouldn't be bluegrass, would it?

Was anyone else amused by the sight of all the Duggars sitting passively in that church while the rest of the congregation was clapping and swaying?

Anonymous said...

I am SO excited for this episode. I see in the commercial that it looks like they are having SO much fun! Real fun, not "Duggar" fun.

The Ironworks Home said...

We are so pleased that the Duggar Family had the opportunity to visit us here in Mountain View, AR. It was truly a pleasure. Currently our website is under construction, however, if you are interested in the Family Trees or any other Stone County Ironworks products feel free to contact us at 800.380.4766. We would love to help you.

Thanks,
The Ironworks Home
Official Retail Store for Stone County Ironworks

Anonymous said...

Product placement anyone?

Anonymous said...

Stone County Ironworks is near Mountain View Arkansas and is about 2 hours North of Little Rock.

Anonymous said...

I think people are wising up to the fact that these are not reality shows but scripted shows with very little reality thrown in. These kids become actors, having to redo shots so they can get it right, yet they have no protection as child actors. They are being exploited and by their very own parents.

The episode hasn't aired and I might have looked up the The Ironworkers Home website but will not now that they came to this thread to promote themselves.

Anonymous said...

WHY is free advertising for Duggar stuff here?

Anonymous said...

The episode hasn't aired and I might have looked up the The Ironworkers Home website but will not now that they came to this thread to promote themselves.

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Yeah, I found that tacky. They're already getting a boatload of free advertising by being featured on the show.

Anonymous said...

Why do they need to travel two hours each direction for some field trip?

I am sure there is plenty of learning that could be happening in real school or homeschool, if they actually had either.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, I found that tacky. They're already getting a boatload of free advertising by being featured on the show."
I suspect the post wasn't really put there by Ironworks. It looks too amateurish to me.
There's no way to verify WHO posts here and it's so easy to pretend you are someone else.

Cherie said...

The website that the "Ironworks" linked to is different than the official Stone County Ironworks, which has a blog on it talking about the Duggars' visit. I am an only child so having a sibling is an alien thing anyway--having 18 is just too, too much. No time to yourself. I, too, wonder if the older kids will just break away or fall in line with Mom and Dad.

Anonymous said...

I'm watching the episode right now, and I can't help but think of how foolish it is that the Duggars all get SO carsick, yet they continue these field trips. They drive around for extended periods more than any other family I know, and it's silly considering their tendency toward motion sickness. I wonder if they've recognized that they wouldn't HAVE to be getting sick all the time if it weren't for this show that requires them to do all of these things.

Nicole said...

JimbBob and Uncle Corky...LOL. One question, though...we know the Duggars don't dance...Michelle says it's b/c she has better things to do with her time, but it's to avoid using your body in a sexual nature. So why would they take all their children to watch girls lift their skirts and shake it on stage? I would think THAT would incite some major lust in the Duggar boys. It's like saying you don't strip in front of people but you go to strip clubs.

Anonymous said...

Haha, the aprons while metal making matched the girls skirts! I found that too funny.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure the comment was placed by the company, and I don't really see anything too wrong with that. Sometimes, as a viewer, I get curious about some of the places I see on TV, and sometimes I'd like more information on a place. It's a small business, and I don't think it's any big deal.

Anonymous said...

that ad for the special makes me wanna cry. i hope josie is home again or gets to come home again soon

Anonymous said...

Time to change the channel!! Cousin Amy is going to be in this... Did they sneak this in? I do nt recall her in the coming attractions...

hannah said...

how old is josiah?

and whats the new age limit? 12?

Anonymous said...

Amy is the worst...

Anonymous said...

It was such a cute moment when Josiah and Joy got to hold Josie.

kitnkaboodle said...

Learn the art of blacksmithing? Why? It's not like any of the Duggar blessings are going to be able to have a craft/job/career of any kind other than the most rudimentary!
yawn
Didn't watch and never do. But love this blog.
I know all I personally need to know about chez Duggar. And , IMO, it's not pretty.

Jess C said...

I thought the same thing Nicole, and also rolled my eyes at the blip stating that they don't dance- WE KNOW.

This episode was actually really boring. The ironworking was pretty cool (minus JimBob's family tree joke ugh), but that is something I would love to try, and Joy Anna appeared to be having a blast.

I am SO embarrassed every time Jim Bob does the whole weird narration thing with people, like "Thanks for having us here Corky, we really are having a blast.", or the "We enjoyed having the Bates here", while speaking TO a Bates family member. Or when he was telling Jinger about taking Josiah and Joy Anna to the hospital. It is just SO weird to me.

I have mixed emotions about the Mothers Day special, especially since no current word on Josie has been released. She does look bigger, but not necessarily healthy.

I also felt strange about Michelle's little rant about Joy Anna's reaction and "mothering instincts" when it came to Josie. Something about it just rubbed me the wrong way.

Oh and Jennifer is SO cute!

No More Flip Flops said...

I just don't understand why these girls don't wear shoes. I mean they have done so many field trips by now that they should have learned their lesson. Who wears flip flops to a farm? Or hiking up a mountain in that case.

Another thing I noticed when JB told Jinger to hold down the fort, she had a look on her face like "...yeah, isn't that what I always do?"

Anonymous said...

Regarding Michelle's comments about JoyAnnas 'motherly instincts'... I think that Michelle knows that JoyAnna is a tomboy and that she doesn't fit into the Duggard/Gothard role of what a young lady should be. I wish she would stop trying to sell us (and JoyAnna) and what a young lady she is. Let her be!

Anonymous said...

I think joy anna and josiah are pegged to be josie's "buddies".

Anonymous said...

I think the reason the girls wear flip flops is because it's one of the few areas where they do have a choice. Even if it turns out to be a mistake, more power to them for doing something they actually WANT to do and seeing how it works out. I think it's just a symbolic representation of how they feel. THey have to go on the trip, but they can choose their shoes, so they do. They don't get all outfitted for these trips because they don't want to be there in the first place, so they just don't care anymore.
Jinger's face is looking much rounder. And I 100% agree that Joy Anna doesn't fit the mold, and they're trying too hard to push her into being girly.

Lexie said...

Reguarding flip flops:
I have a theory that they girls wear flip flops all the time because their other choices are used nasty thrift store shoes. Flip flops are uber cheap at walmart so I'm sure they can at least buy those new.

Anonymous said...

I wondered the same thing about taking a million gazillion stupid field trips when someone in that family is ALWAYS throwing up in the bus.

Earth to Jim Bob (or Sean)----STAY HOME! Then the kids won't be constantly sick. That is just weird.

My main reaction from the episode last night is how awful Josie looks. It is frightening. I think there is something seriously wrong with her. I hope I am wrong but her face seems deformed and her eyes bulge out of her head. I have known other micropreemies who were in the hospital for months too, and they looked nothing like Josie two months past their original due dates when they were over four pounds.

Deb W said...

No one has mentioned the trip to P.Allen Smith's farm. I was encouraged to see that at first, but...

I find it difficult to believe that out of all those kids, none are interested in animals (fresh eggs or milk) or plants, flowers even, or that even the most domestic is not more into studying nutrition, etc. The idea that all they do with their 20 acres is ... mow it, seems very wasteful.

Mr. Smith had to be upset when the kids started CHASING his sheep. (sheep don't take stress well. They could DIE from that)

We heard "WE don't do well with plants..." as though 21 people all have exactly the same interests and inclinations. They've GOT to be interested in SOMETHING!?! Instead of eye rolling, sneers, and "that's disgusting," why doesn't TLC ask them what they are interested in, and film that?

Oh, and we've had 2 weeks now of upchucking and green faces. They know they're going to get motion sickness, so why don't they do something about it? Where is Michelle's bag of pills?

CappuccinoLife said...

The ironworking was neat--the tree turned out beautiful and it was nice that the kids got to participate in it. Other than that, yeah, it was a little boring.

I don't see anything wrong with them taking day trips and doing things like this. If they kept their kids home they'd be "over sheltering" them or some other such accusation. Right now they have the opportunity to go places and see new things, get to know new people, see how life operates outside their home and learn from seeing/doing. Good on them.

msrylee said...

Enough of the clan feeling motion-sick and/or vomiting. For goodness sakes, there are medications and natural remedies to take prior to road trips to prevent this. M wears Sea-Bands most of the time, so what is the excuse for not helping the whole family when help is available? The Mother of the Year should know this and act on it. It seems to me that as long as M ensures that she doesn't feel ill, the blessings' needs don't matter so much. And it is a need to help with motion-sick prone blessings.

The situation with Josie is no excuse for ignoring this issue, as motion-sickness has been apparent since the first episodes were aired.

bonehead said...

The field trips are becoming stupid. It's all how Little boy JimBob feels like doing. You can see on the older kids faces that they did not want to go mountain climbing or do/learn(what a joke) about how to make metal things. The older kids are past that stuff or if the girls are there not that interested. They do nothing on the older kids level. I really think that JimBob & Michelle can't believe or realize or face the fact that their children are growing up(epecially JimBob)and the trips they go on does not sit well with the older kids.(but as we know they will not say anything) JimBob always talks down to his older kids, like they are 6-12 years old.(like with the Blood episode) If anyone has notice it's all about the men/guys/boys, what they want to do. All these field trips I feel, that the Duggar children are really learning nothing. Little boys attention spans are short, so while they think it's really cool for that time period, a couple days later they would have forgotten.(unless Mr Duggar keeps reminding them) JimBob acts like a big child, we are going or you will do this, or what he will whip out the Bible and make the kids feel guilty? What kind of parent is he becoming? I've never heard of a hospital lowering the age so, younger children can visit. Unless Josie was moved to the regular nursey. I've already don't watch at the time the show comes on, I watch later if, I remember. I think it's time the Duggars quit TV.

winsomeone said...

I thought Josie looks like she has progeria. Do all micro preemies look like her, or is something wrong with this poor child?

Anonymous said...

Jennifer and Johanna were so cute
on thier interview last night!!!

All of the little girls are a delight to watch!!!

Anonymous said...

"My main reaction from the episode last night is how awful Josie looks. It is frightening. I think there is something seriously wrong with her. "

I agree - I had the show on and left the room during a commercial break and when I came back in I saw something in a car seat and it looked like a monkey. I walked closer and realized it was Josie and a commerical for the Mother's Day Special.

Ashley said...

I'm watching the episode right now, and I can't help but think of how foolish it is that the Duggars all get SO carsick, yet they continue these field trips. They drive around for extended periods more than any other family I know, and it's silly considering their tendency toward motion sickness. I wonder if they've recognized that they wouldn't HAVE to be getting sick all the time if it weren't for this show that requires them to do all of these things.

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Just curious but isn't it better that they ARE getting to see new things? Things they wouldn't see back at home...and their motion sickness is not at all life threatening, they know how to handle it. Im surprised they don't take a motion sickness medicine, but I think its great that they don't let it stop them from exploring.

Anonymous said...

I know of several people who get motion sickness and you simply can't stay home because of it but you certainly can take thing for it. Also we know they get it so why do they have to show it everytime they go somewhere. Enough already just get to your field trip and don't show that.

It is good the kids are getting out and going places and seeing things but I still consider them sheltered. Most of the things they do seem to be a private outing. It looked like they had an area set up just for them to eat and they were alone at P. Allen Smith's farm. That really isn't mixing with other people.

I am glad I am not the only one that thought Josie looked like a monkey or little old lady. I feel horrible for thinking that, maybe if they would take that huge hat off of her. Maybe they have been showing things out of order but I think she looked worse instead of better. I am sure she is beautiful in her parents eyes though.

Celestie said...

Once again, Pa added to my font of knowledge. JB to kid: "Do you know where metal comes from?"Its melted then poured into things to make stuff."

Er thanks JB, now I know where metal comes from.

Now some advice

1. Get your kids some motion sickness remedies, so at least they can enjoy the ride
2. Tell your kids to stop chasing lambs.

The field of daffodils was beautiful. I think most kids and teens would have thought so too, but more bored looks.

The sound man looked like he was enjoying himself.

Anonymous said...

"Just curious but isn't it better that they ARE getting to see new things? Things they wouldn't see back at home...and their motion sickness is not at all life threatening, they know how to handle it. Im surprised they don't take a motion sickness medicine, but I think its great that they don't let it stop them from exploring."
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I'm sure some of the kids don't think it's that great. The parents don't let it stop them because they have their wristbands and it doesn't bother them as much, but those poor kids don't have a choice whether or not they want to go, and lots of them are too young to end up enjoying it anyway, and they're the same ones getting sick.

Diane said...

I have to agree with comments about how Jim Bob always seems to be doing some 'public speaking' thing, even when it's just addressing the kids at home. It's funny.

I really liked the family tree sculpture. I thought it was very pretty.

Josie looks so sweet. God love her. I hope she's doing okay.

As far as the flip-flops go, I have a 15 year old and she lives in her flip-flops. As soon as it's warm enough it's very rare to see her in anything else.
It does make me cringe when they're hiking or rock climbing in them though!

Anon. said...

Common sense check: I agree with the poster who wonders WHY TLC keeps showing Duggar Road Trips when the majority of them are so prone to motion sickness????? Hello?

I don't watch The Duggars, so am wondering if there's something about their vehicles that predispose passengers to being carsick, i.e., are they old and leaking fumes or is the seating arrangement for so many prohibitive to those who get motion sickness to sit by a window facing forward?

At any rate, WHO decided watching JB, in his weird stilted way, interacting with his kids and whoever happens to be their 'host' (hard to believe this guy even got ELECTED into any political slot). And WHO decided watching a busload of Arkansas folk drive and then suffer carsickness is 'entertainment'??????

Inquiring minds want to know....

Anonymous said...

@Celestie: "Once again, Pa added to my font of knowledge. JB to kid: "Do you know where metal comes from?"Its melted then poured into things to make stuff."

Er thanks JB, now I know where metal comes from.

Now some advice

1. Get your kids some motion sickness remedies, so at least they can enjoy the ride
2. Tell your kids to stop chasing lambs."

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LOL!! I wondered the same thing when I heard those words drop from The Patriarch's mouth. WHAT did he just say???? and HOW does that make any sense at all as far as explaining metal??? HUH? Go back to school, JB (and take your wife and kids with you. PLEASE.)

I fully agree with your Duggar advice, too. How smart do you have to be to give a gaggle of carsickness-prone kids some Dramamine?

And, no, it's not nice to chase innocent animals. Lambs are not to be chased and frightened. (I think it might be in the bible!)

Swissmiss said...

I wish the metal worker hadn't made that joke to Jim Bob about having dozens more kids. How about telling Jim Bob there will be room to list their grandchildren instead on the family tree?

My mom grew up on a farm and her cousin used to chase the sheep. Her dad got very angry because getting a sheep upset can cause it to miscarry.

Nice to see P. Allen Smith - I've seen him on TV. Sad that no one in the Duggar family seems interested in gardening. Of course, they seem to spend a lot of time taking road trips, but since they don't go to scool like regular kids, seems like they could incorporate growing things into the curriculum and get some fresh vegetables in the process.

Anonymous said...

The thing about chasing the lambs that *really* bothered me was that AMY was leading the charge. She's an ADULT!!

Anonymous said...

I didn't watch the episode. But my jaw dropped when I read that the kids were chasing sheep around. Do the parents teach their children nothing? How about a very basic lesson in how to behave toward other people's property? They are raising a bunch of ignorant hooligans.

I hear Amy led the charge - she's the third ranking idiot in that group, with Jim Bob Idiot in Chief and Michele his second in command.

What a bunch of maroons.

Anonymous said...

JB to kid: "Do you know where metal comes from?"Its melted then poured into things to make stuff."


In other words, "I don't know either." So maybe he'd be better off keeping his yap shut and listening. But then again if he did that, JimBob might actually learn something, and then his head would explode and his helmet hair would break into shards, probably injuring anyone standing within a 50-yard radius.

Anonymous said...

bigger cars/buses that make the ride more rough can make ms much worse then a typical car.

Tee said...

Can someone please post the link to Duggar Heavy Metal? I missed it last night.


Thanks,

Tee

Anonymous said...

All preemies look weird, I don't think there's anything wrong with Josie. Their parents always think they are beautiful, but everyone else is going, is there something wrong with that baby? I think Josie will look more and more normal and she develops.

Anonymous said...

Have you ever seen what micropreemies look like five months after birth, two months after original due date? Unless they have pretty bad disabilities, most look like regular babies, albeit small. They don't have the bulging eyes, weirdly shaped head, strange coloring of Josie. She just looks extremely unwell.

I don't know what her issues are yet, and probably no one else does either, but I would bet she either has CP, cognitive delays, blindness or something else.

We can hope for the best, but since no one is talking, we are only making judgements based on what we see (which isn't good).

Poor baby.

Nicole said...

My niece had twin boys prematurely and they looked really weird until they were about 8 pounds or so. I was worried they would never look normal, but here they are a year later and they are adorable and look like any other one year old babies. I think Josie will eventually look normal. The footage they are showing is from when she weighs around 4 pounds still. That is incredibly small, plus she has been under stress since she was born so she is not developing as fast as she would in utero. I don't think there's anything wrong with her besides being premature.

Anonymous said...

My younger son was in the NICU for 2 weeks following his birth and I saw many preemies. They all had similar features like Josie. I think because Josie isn't gaining as much weight as expected but still getting longer she may look even more unhealthy then she is.

Anonymous said...

All preemies look weird,

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Actually, no they don't. I've heard from moms of preemies who say that their babies looked just like any other baby, except very very small. I had a friend who had a preemie -- she looked like a normal baby but extremely tiny.

Sadly, Josie in the last public views we've seen, does look very fragile, unwell, and not like a normal baby only smaller. I worry for her.

Joanne, RN said...

I have to say that in my eight years experience as a RN in the NICU preemie babies do have a certain "look". I am not talking about the babies who are just a couple of weeks early but babies born before say 36 weeks. They do tend to have flat heads on the sides and as they grow chipmunk cheeks lol. That said - once they reach even three to four lbs they look chunky and healthy and pudgie if there are no other complications and are just "growing"
I think that Josie looks very frail and in the promos for the Mother's Day episode it looks like she still has the nasal cannula for oxygen when she is in the car seat. She doesn't seem to be focusing her eyes very well. The kiddo will need therapy and early intervention to catch up - mark my words.

Celestie said...

The ironworks visit was an excellent opportunity for home schoolers to research metals, their origins and various uses prior to the trip. Guess ore is not part of Gothard's teaching. Nor is animal husbandry or gardening. All of these activities would be made more enjoyable for the children, if had some back ground. Sigh.

Anonymous said...

Chasing the sheep and that little stray dog a few episodes back, indicates a real lack of empathy and compassion for fellow creatures. They seem to be simultaneously fearful and disgusted by them. Worse yet, no elder Duggar intervenes to control or explain to them how to interact and respect animals, and that's just mean.

Anonymous said...

I've read dozens of micropreemie blogs, to see whether or not Josie looks like other micropreemies do, and the answer is an emphatic NO. Even babies who turned out to have CP or other disabilities actually look way, way better than she does at four pounds. Even some of the sickest ones got to go home sooner too, so there is absolutely something more going on here than is being shown.

Which is ok, but they should get the whole family off the air, not just Josie. The speculation isn't good at all.

maynardsmom said...

We don't see current pictures of the baby. Who knows when the mothers day special was filmed. It would be nice to know her weight also. Just being nosy but hopefully will look better by now. How about some real reality. Just a little info to keep us happy.

Anonymous said...

"We don't see current pictures of the baby. Who knows when the mothers day special was filmed."
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We know when the Mother's Day special was filmed because we know the exact date Josie came home. There's a thread about it on here.

Anonymous said...

Here's something I wonder and don't understand. I don't know at what age a fetus is viable, but what would have happened if Michelle's pre-eclampsia had been as severe as it was just a little earlier on before Josie could have survived? Since JB ran for office as a one-issue candidate (anti-abortion), would they have allowed the doctors to remove Josie even though she wouldn't survive, or would they really have just let Michelle die? This is something they could be faced with in the future, should they choose to get pregnant again, and I really wonder if they've thought about how they would handle that.

I Like Flip Flops said...

That tree the Duggars helped make cost $724.90!!!!

AmyKB said...

I liked this field trip... thought it was actually interesting. The statistic about the worth of the Duggars if they were made of gold was ridiculous and irrelevant. Strange comment by the cameraman about the tree being full of nuts, LoL. But at least everyone was amused with the couple of extra leaves "just in case." I could have had more of the blacksmith stuff... see how more kids responded, etc. Why was Amy at the farm? She clearly wasn't interested in what was going on. The daffodil-picking was cute. It was nice to see some of the middle-aged kids hold Josie... Joy looked so emotional! 4 pounds, 4 ounces, so 8 ounces bigger than last week's episode, although we don't know the film date here. I hope the skin stops being so translucent soon.

Judy said...

I am still unsure how the Duggars truly believe that God should decide when they will conceive BUT they decided to have Josie born when it was completely unclear whether she would survive or not. How does God make one decision, whereas Jim Bob and Michelle made another one that could risk ending two lives? (Josie and Michelle) Shouldn't God have decided that?

Anonymous said...

I honestly believe after seeing how Jim Bob and Michelle were when they delivered Josie early that if it had been earlier they would have still delivered her. I heard the doctor tell them that the only way to make the pre-eclampsia go away was to end the pregnancy. He didn't say deliver the baby he said end the pregnancy. They knew that at 25 weeks chances of survival were greater than say even a week earlier but they chose to "end the pregnancy" to save Michelle's life at 25 weeks and hope that Josie would make it. I think they would have done the same thing if it had been 24 weeks. I think a lot of people have their ideas of what they would do if there was a situation but when actually faced with that situation you realize you might do something different. I do not think Jim Bob would have Michelle die especially if she did die then Josie would have too and you lost both lives. I think in their case they were choosing life, Michelle's. I don't think they would have thought of it as an abortion but that if God wanted Josie to make she would.

Anonymous said...

"That tree the Duggars helped make cost $724.90!!!!"

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$724.90 would be a LOT of shoes. NEW ones even.

Anonymous said...

I bet they didn't pay one cent for that family tree sculpture, I am sure it was given to them.

I liked it and wouldn't mind having one. I am sure mine wouldn't cost near that since I "only" have three children. I probably still couldn't afford one though, wonder if I can get invited down to make one and get it for free, ummmm probably not.

Anonymous said...

I personally do not think that the Duggar children were car sick at all. I think the look of disgust on their faces was just the children showing their disapproval at having to watch people dancing. I bet the clever editors made up the whole "carsick" story because they noticed how disrespectful the children were acting toward the dancers. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
They knew that at 25 weeks chances of survival were greater than say even a week earlier but they chose to "end the pregnancy" to save Michelle's life at 25 weeks and hope that Josie would make it. I think they would have done the same thing if it had been 24 weeks. I think a lot of people have their ideas of what they would do if there was a situation but when actually faced with that situation you realize you might do something different.
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This is a very insightful remark. Let me say first that I don't disagree with the choice Michelle and JimBob made at 25 weeks to end the pregnancy and hope for the best for Josie's survival rate. If they hadn't made that decision, then Michelle would likely have died.

But it is interesting that they made a choice that appears to possibly conflict with their stated beliefs. They probably are against abortion of any kind, even if the life of the mother is at stake. Yet when it was Michelle's life at stake, they decided to save her and take their chances on Josie's life.

This only underscores why I believe these sorts of decisions should be left up SOLELY to the individuals involved, and not made law by some holier than thou's. No one should make these decisions for anyone else. As demonstrated by the Duggars themselves, when they were faced with the very real and painful dilemma, they realized that putting Michelle's life at further risk was not the choice they really wanted to make after all.

And little Josie - whatever happens in her case, they will say it was "God's will." If she thrives, it was due to the power of prayer. If she doesn't thrive, it was God's will that she be on this earth only a short time. (Although why god would place a newborn on earth for a short time, to have painful invasive procedures daily, is beyond me)

It will never be "we made a somewhat selfish decision to go for more children than it was safe for Michelle to bear, and this is the result of our own actions."