Sun, May 9, Josie Comes Home, 8 PM, Special

After four months of uncertainty and challenges, Josie Brooklyn is finally released from the hospital and reunited with the rest of the Duggar family. Watch as Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josie's 18 siblings prepare for this emotional homecoming.

60 minutes

105 comments:

Anon. said...

I feel sorry for Josie on many, many levels.

Adding to her already heavy load, now the entire world has been made aware that her first few months of life included multiple enemas daily.

Wow. Now THERE's a piece of very personal info for parents to guard its privacy, rather than exploit it in the hopes of extending viewer interest and resultant tv ratings.

Poor Josie.

babysteps said...

Welcome Home Josie! Even if it was just for a day.

Anonymous said...

I really want to see this episode. Hopefully it will be a heart warming event.

I really think Josie has a medical problem. Who knows, maybe she doesn't, but she doesn't look like any now full term baby I know. Of course, no one would ever want her to have a problem, but I really does look like it. Her face looks deformed, and there is no sign of hair. She would be a little more than full term in the episode, so maybe she will look better.

Anonymous said...

That is so true about mentioning her needing enemas every six hours. I guess people think since she is just a baby she doesn't deserve to have any of her moments remain private. Some things just don't need to be mentioned, no matter what the age they are.

I wonder if this was one of their older children if they would announce the same thing. Probably since we saw the older girls in their beds swollen and recovering from having their wisdom teeth removed.

Anonymous said...

she still wants more

http://www.parentdish.com/2010/05/06/michelle-duggar-exclusive-new-baby-improving-open-to-more-kids/?icid=main|aim|dl3|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parentdish.com%2F2010%2F05%2F06%2Fmichelle-duggar-exclusive-new-baby-improving-open-to-more-kids%2F

Jana fan said...

Weren't the Duggars supposed to appear on the Today show today? That was what was scheduled, so it is weird that they didn't have a segment. I wonder what that means.

Also, I also feel totally sorry for poor Josie. She is not in good shape. Why did she fail the carseat test? What does that mean about her breathing? We already knows she has major issues with her bowels. Poor little girl. If only her parents would protect her privacy, instead of selling her out like a commodity.

Children are not commodities, but unfortunately, Jim Bob Duggar seems not to know this, since he collects them as if they are no more than trinkets to be counted.

npr prn said...

I would really hope that M&JB would not risk another child and have her get pregnant- even if she had only a 10% chance of having to abort a pregnancy to save her life- it wouldn't be worth it. For goodness sakes she got such severe PIH that they needed to do a c-section at 25 weeks and that the docs could wait a couple days to have steroids on board to maybe help baby Josie. The idea of another pregnancy just to prove how much God loves them is arrogant.

Anonymously Yours said...

"...Children are not commodities, but unfortunately, Jim Bob Duggar seems not to know this, since he collects them as if they are no more than trinkets to be counted."

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I so agree. And children are not to be counted as arrows to fill anyone's quiver as proof of their parents' alleged godliness.

Anonymously Yours said...

@nprprn: Good point.

I can't for the life of me, figure out the pretzel logic behind the supposedly tears shed by MaDuggar for her failure to responsibly protect 'life' with her decision to use birth control, which she erroneously blames for her miscarriage, YET, here she is at this juncture, age, and gravidity, announcing she remains open to further pregnancies.

HOW exactly is this respecting 'life'?????

Jen said...

I'm looking forward to seeing the "Josie Come Home" Special. It sounds like it will be very heartwarming story for Mother's Day, even though we know she will be going back into the hospital which the TLC site says we will get to see on the Aug 11 show.

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness, I'm scared for Josie. Living in that house of noise? Not good for a preemie. I hope she has her own little QUIET place to sleep.

Nicole said...

I read the link posted above about Michelle being open to more children. One thing I noticed is that she mentions that she has to keep up with laundry and dishes, and that recently the laundry hadn't been done for a week and was waiting for her. I'm wondering why, if her girls are overworked slaves in charge of all the housework, why hasn't any of them done any laundry for an entire week?

As I thought about it, I don't know that we see footage of the girls doing much, if any, housework. We see them helping with and carrying little ones. But do we see them doing very much laundry, cleaning bathrooms, sweeping, vacuuming, etc?

As I'm thinking about the evidence I've seen, I can think of a few times, and I can think of just as many examples of seeing BOYS doing the cleaning also. We've seen the girls do some cooking, but I've seen Michelle and older boys doing it too. Since they've been in the rental house, we've seen the girls do a lot of cooking, I'm talking about prior to that in their normal lives. I have seen an older boy mop the tile floors. In one epi last year JoyAnna came out of a bathroom and irritatedly told one of her brothers "that bathroom is gross. It's YOUR job to clean it." I've seen Michelle call ALL the kids in to help fold the laundry. We've been told Jana does a lot of the cooking - even if she cooked for three meals a day, every day, that is what, three hours of her time? They've said everyone else helps clean up, and Michelle has said she loves to clean up if one of her girls will cook. According to the way they divide up their chores, Jana doesn't have to do any other jobs, like cleaning or doing laundry.

I don't know if the girls are overworked or not. But we don't see evidence of it. What we do see is girls that appear to spend a lot of time at home, and hold and care for their siblings more than the average teenage girl. Maybe they like to? Maybe they don't but feel they have to? I don't know. But just because they are spending a lot of time at home doesn't necessarily mean they are spending all their time doing the bulk of the cooking and cleaning.

Of course I just don't know, I'm just thinking about the evidence we've seen and wondering if sometimes people jump to conclusions about how much work the older girls actually do, and assume that the boys don't do any and that the girls are expected to wait on them. The fact is we just don't know for sure.

Jess C said...

I am indifferent toward seeing this. While I am glad to see Josie home and out of the hospital (even if it was for a day), I am uncomfortable seeing her with ALL of those people around her. It just looked overwhelming. She is still incredibly small, fragile, and sickly, and it just seems like an overhaul to have her smack in the center of 20+ people. (I mean 3 or 4 would still be a lot around a child so small!)

I hate that they included the enema situation in that update, that is something no one particularly wants to imagine, especially for an infant. This child is fighting so hard, and I don't know if JB + M understand the seriousness of the situation. This little baby is going to need a bunch of attention and privacy- hopefully not forever but definitely her first few years of life.

I just have so many mixed emotions about this family and the show right now. I want to think they are genuine and do admire a lit of what they do, but this show and all the publicity they are gaining at Josie's and others' expense makes me wonder.

bonehead said...

I think this whole episode does not need to be on TV at all. The fact is we already know she went home and then went back to the hospital where she is presently. What, cause it's Mothers Days? Please! It's TLC doing it for ratings, nothing else. SHAME ON TLC, JimBob & Michelle for using poor Josie like merchandise. Jeez, give the poor baby some privacy. The Duggars and TLC have jump the gun. This episode makes little sense, since she is not home. I would rather see TLC and the Duggars do nothing for Mother's Day and show/flim Josie when she is completely well and at home. (say like a couple of months from now, which also means that the Duggars should take a break from TV, if they are worried that they will be forgotten, they are wrong, if anything, there would be more interest, to see how Josie looks and doing and how the family copes, than these weekly up-dates and pointless/boring shows)

jonandkatewho? said...

I have read two articles now which both say Michelle and JB are open to having more kids. I just can't believe it! What is wrong with these people? Are they for real?

I have to wonder how they would financially handle things if they did have another baby who also had health issues or was premature. And what about Michelle? Do they never wonder if it isn't a bit unfair to risk her life as well? I know she is healthy but anything can happen. If they have more children they are further burdening their already-overworked older girls. It is hard to believe that not one of her kids has ever gone to M or Jb and said "please. just stop now." If I were any of the older kids I would be angry! I would also be planning an escape such as getting a job and/or applying to some kind of college or trade school. I just do not understand these people.

Is this some kind of a mental illness?
I'm not being snarky here, I really want to know.

Anonymous said...

Adding to her already heavy load, now the entire world has been made aware that her first few months of life included multiple enemas daily.
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I wasn't aware of that! Did they mention this somewhere and I didn't hear it?

Anonymous said...

Regarding the week's worth of laundry that Michelle said she faced, it was due to their ATI Big Sandy, TX, trip I think. They had only just gotten home from that a day or two before and would need to do all the laundry that resulted from being on the road and camping at the ATI meet. I'm not sure I believe that Michelle did very many loads of it all by herself though.

Anonymous said...

I doubt Michelle did very many loads of laundry either. The reason I believe that the girls do indeed do the laundry and cleaning of the house is because of the many interviews that are on the internet stating from Michelle and Jim Bob that this is what they do.

It is quite interesting searching interviews they have given because you get a different insight of them than what you see on television and depending on who the interview is with they seem to tell more. They give more information to a conservative Christian article than they do People.

Celestie said...

Doesn't one of the girls have laundry as her jurisdiction? I think when Ma talks about getting the laundry up to date, she isn't talking about her doing it. She is just the overseer.. I would think it would take several people to catch up with a weeks worth of laundry. All hands on deck. Even the little ones can roll socks and fold wash cloths. At least mine can. The 6 year old can fold tee shirts, as well.

Anonymous said...

Here is a link I found, an update on Josie. http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2010/05/beliefnet-exclusive-interview.html

She is actually doing great! Can you believe 6 pounds? That's incredible!

Anonymously Yours said...

Is there something about a Y chromosome that I haven't yet learned, i.e., are males in Arkansas somehow incapable of adequately performing the intricacies of LAUNDRY?

Anonymous said...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/05/exclusive-interview-michelle-jim-bob-duggar-say-josie-nearly-6-pounds-would-love

You MUST read this! The Duggars may adopt! Isn't that amazing? I never could picture them doing this, God would be so proud of them for their sweet hearts.

God Bless you Michelle, Jim Bob, and the rest of the Duggar family!

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why Josie who is bigger and stronger now can't be transferred to a hospital closer to Tontitown. It must be so hard on the other kids to be away from home for so long.

Nicole said...

"I believe that the girls do indeed do the laundry and cleaning of the house is because of the many interviews that are on the internet stating from Michelle and Jim Bob that this is what they do."

To my knowledge, they haven't ever stated that this is "what the girls do." They've said each child in the family has a jurisdiction. That can go down in any variation of ways.

I think people that want to always assume the worst about the Duggars and that Michelle doesn't pull her weight are going to continue to assert that the girls do all the cooking and cleaning over there, despite the fact that none of us live there so we don't know. I'm not assuming anything, I'm pointing out that we don't know. And there is evidence that possibly the girls aren't overworked at all, it's in fact Michelle who is overworked, like the mom of most any family is.

Anonymous said...

One daughter in charge of laundry for a family of 20!! Imagine being in charge of all those dirty clothes - even with some help. Washing, drying, sorting, folding and putting away a staggering amount of laundry for 20 + being a buddy for a couple of toddlers which seems to include all their care but their weekly one on ones with Mr, and Mrs, Duggar. Wow! No wonder the daughters are allowed no education past high school level. With that long string of younger brothers and sisters, I'm betting the four oldest daughters won't be allowed to marry for quite a while.

Anonymous said...

You often see pictures of others helping with the laundry; just because it is one girls jurisdiction doesn't mean she does all of it. As an example, I recently saw a picture of Jana doing laundry with JoHanna "helping". I believe it is/was Jessa's jurisdiction. I would guess that they all pitched in when they got home from the conference.

As for the enemas, I suppose you could consider them an invasion of privacy, but they are not painful. If you have ever had to give an infant an enema it is a very simple process, not what you might be thinking with bags of soapy water causing major cramping, etc. Is it any more distasteful than thinking of a baby pooing in their diapers? I don't see why.

I read somewhere that Michelle had said Josie might be coming home on Wednesday of next week. That may have been just a rumor, but I also read that she is doing much better this week.

Cyn said...

They swap the jurisdictions around, I don't know if it's weekly every other week or monthly.

Either in their book or one of the many articles talk about how they swap them so no one is stuck with any one job for very long.

Having only one or two regular sized washer and dryers at home I would hope that if they were trying to catch up after a week trip they would just take it to a laundry mat and get it over with in one day, they have enough day to day without having to be a week behind...

Ravello said...

TLC is showing commercials for the Mother's Day show, Baby Josie comes home. The baby's face does not look normal to me, something is a little off in her appearance. Her weight gain was exceedingly show. The last episode, filmed just prior to the discharge, showed Josie still wearing an oxygen cannula. I am very worried about this little baby.
I am disgusted with the NICU video and it does appear the Duggers exploited their micro preemie.

mythoughtis said...

Josie cannot be transferred to a regular hospital closer to her home because she is stil in the NICU.. not all hospitals have those. And, If it were me, I would not want Josie to be transferred away from that wonderful doctor.

babysteps said...

From one of the articles linked above...“Miss Josie is amazing,” her proud mother exclaimed. “She’s usually smiling and cooing and looking at you and looking around. It is so sweet and she has the cutest dimples, one really huge one in her left check. Jackson, her big brother who is five, said that’s my buddy because she has a dimple like me.”

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I told you she had a dimple. Jackson's is on his right cheek and Josie's on her left. Too cute!

Anonymous said...

I have looked but haven't seen any articles about Josie receiving enemas. Anyone actually have a link for that?

Anonymous said...

I have looked but haven't seen any articles about Josie receiving enemas. Anyone actually have a link for that?

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It's in the People article.

Anonymous said...

Is there something about a Y chromosome that I haven't yet learned, i.e., are males in Arkansas somehow incapable of adequately performing the intricacies of LAUNDRY?
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I'm pretty sure many males in Arkansas can and do help out around their homes -- but not the Duggar males, because you know, that's wimmin's work. It might turn them gay if they did women stuff like that.

jonandkatewho? said...

I realize that we do not know what goes on in the Duggars' home. I realize that we can't possibly know all of that.

I am sure some will disagree with me, but I do not believe for one moment that Michelle and JB would continue having baby after baby (especially M) if the older kids were not doing a large portion of the work of raising those kids. There would be nothing in it for them if they were truly required to do all the parental work, or what we all consider to be parental tasks. I really do believe those older girls do the lion's share.

I apologize for not knowing which poster said it, but I tend to agree that there is no way these two parents can possibly meet all the needs of thier 19 children.

Poor Josie. From her first breath, her life's moments caught on camera for the world to see. She was born into all of this, and I suppose time will tell how it will affect her. For now, I just fervently hope that all of her needs will be met in that household. She will have many needs which I don't believe Michelle even truly grasps yet. Maybe some issues that haven't yet even been revealed. I don't doubt that they love the child, I just hope they are truly prepared for the changes her life will bring them.

I have to admit I would feel better if Josie's birth and even her condition had all been kept private.

babysteps said...

Anonymous said...

I have looked but haven't seen any articles about Josie receiving enemas. Anyone actually have a link for that?

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It's in the People article.

5/07/2010 8:21 PM

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Awwwww, poor Josie. She'll eventually need surgery. I wonder if they'll give her a colonoscopy bag just until she's bigger and stronger. That might take a lot of stress off of her. If they do I hope people around here will be mature about it. Problems after birth can happen to any baby.

Steve knight said...

Does Michelle really look like a woman who has to take care of 19 kids? I mean she would be worn down to the bone if she did even 1/2 the work. She would not be pumping out kid after kid if she did most of the work she would be too tired.

Jana fan said...

There is no way that six enemas a day is run-of-the-mill, or not painful. No way. And it is nothing whatsoever like "pooing in a diaper". It is a huge invasion to be literally DRAWING out the fecal material from her body!

For Josie to have been in the NICU for another entire month after her two days at home means there is something very, very wrong with her.

If she were merely hospitalized, she could be transferred to pediatrics near Tonitown.

The fact that she is still in the NICU, at five months old weighing only nearly six pounds, means that Jim Bob and Michelle are certifiably crazy if they think that they can just throw Josie into the mix and have another kid or two or adopt a couple (I don't know where they think they could adopt from, because agencies require a homestudy and for kids to have their own room or share with a sibling or two---not ten, including a bunch of toddlers and an infant sister with a huge number of medical and other special needs).

Honestly, these people think that children are like goldfish, and need about as much care. Josie has already been in the hospital longer than most micropreemies, and weighs pounds less. Don't her prideful parents get it? Children are not goldfish that can just be left swimming around! They need love and attention and nurturing and education!!

TheSheenIsOfftheRose said...

to the poster asking if their wish to keep procreating is "some sort of mental illness?"
Yes. It is.
And it's SAD for the kids they DO already have.
If these people get pregnant yet AGAIN, esp. after they have a very high-needs preemie, they deserve any and ALL backlash or "hating" comments they get!
Alas, I don't think they will get much, because reasonable and educated people are NOT the Duggar fanbase. Rather, their "rabid" fans will think any future continuing pregnancies are just further "gifts from God."
STOP ALREADY It's NOT cute anymore.

Tammy C said...

We all talk about them following Gothard.Maybe now they are slowing down on that track if the Duggars are actually talking about the possibility of adoption.


Vision Forum advocates adoption and that is who is giving Michelle the Mother of the Year award.

Swissmiss said...

I believe I read on the msnbc website that the TLC program Sunday night will be about Josie and then their 'regular' Tuesday night episode will be about her return to the hospital.

As far as laundry, they had a program explaining that after the clothes are clean, they are put into one large space for everyone. Every night they go to this space and pick out clothes for the following day. The closests in the bedrooms are used for other purposes - not storing clothes.

All the girls wear one type of sock and the boys all wear another type, to cut down on trying to match things up.

Anonymous said...

Excerpt taken from above interview with Michelle Duggar:

"Last we spoke I asked you if you would continue to have children if your health became a factor and you said: "I guess we would just cross that bridge when we got there. If there was something that were life threatening for me, that would be a matter of prayer at that point."


What?? Michelle Duggar isn't as stupid as we all thought? But I had already decided Michelle and JimBob are inane and sickening. There must be some mistake!

Anonymous said...

Josie may have hit the 6 lb mark, but she is far from "doing great". If she was "doing great" she wouldn't need an enema every 6 hours. She wouldn't have had to spend the last month in the NICU. She has some pretty significant digestive issues, and will most likely require surgery when she is stronger. Michelle can gloss over it by calling it "tummy troubles" or "plumbing problems" all she wants, but it is far from a minor problem.

And I for one do NOT think that the possibility of the Duggars adopting more kids, especially ones with special needs, is a good idea. They don't even know how much time and effort will go into Josie's care yet. The four youngest children have been lost in the shuffle,and let's get real, if they chose to adopt, it would be the already overworked oldest girls who would end up caring for the new family members. Jana, Jill, Jessa, and Jinger would never be able to leave and start lives of their own.

princess.mom said...

Regarding the laundry and other jurisdictions?

Haven't you noticed in your own home that there are some jobs that you'd rather do than others?

Personally, I like doing laundry. There are some tasks I don't mind, some I despise. I hate cleaning the kitchen sink, mopping or vacuuming. I am fortunate to have a housekeeper (only once a week) so the areas I don't like aren't a big deal, at least to me.

Maybe some of the Duggar girls (the boys don't seem to enter into this) like to cook, or don't mind cleaning.

I'd like to think that the kids are assaigned jobs they find tolerable.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe that the Duggars are really planning to have any more children. They have to know how dangerous that would be. They are not going to admit that their greed and desire for money and attention cost Josie to suffer, so they have to pretend that they are leaving the decision to God.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I don't believe that the Duggars are really planning to have any more children. They have to know how dangerous that would be. They are not going to admit that their greed and desire for money and attention cost Josie to suffer, so they have to pretend that they are leaving the decision to God.

5/08/2010 10:36 AM

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Are you saying that you think they'll use some kind of birth control and let people keep thinking they aren't using it? But that would be lying to people, wouldn't it? Surely they wouldn't do that.

I'm really curious to see if you think they would do this. Because they have always come across as standing so firm in their beliefs, and you know if people found out they had been lying and using birth control while claiming to leave the more children question to God, some folks would be disillusioned and angry and perhaps not watch anymore.

Does anybody think they will do this? They possibly could do so with nobody finding out. It's really their business after all, but they have opened up their lives for this kind of speculation by talking about it themselves and being on television.

Anonymous said...

Lets hope God decides no more. Love and care for what you have. What is the point of being in your 60s still raising children. Will the tlc money still be rolling in? Of course that is what pays for most of everything these days. How much per episode and how much in trust for each child? It is not my business what they do but we know the money makes a big big difference. Think of the grocery bill. Utilities. Etc. I am sure they are very nice people who got suckered into tlcs web. Save that cash for later survival.

Mustbedefensive, Iliketheduggars said...

"I am sure some will disagree with me, but I do not believe for one moment that Michelle and JB would continue having baby after baby (especially M) if the older kids were not doing a large portion of the work of raising those kids."

Then how in the world did they manage with the first 9 or 10, when they ONLY had little kids, and there were no older kids to do "the large portion of the work of raising kids"?

And if the older girls ARE raising the little ones, where did they learn to do all the work and training and teaching and patience of parenting? Remember, they "aren't allowed exposure to the outside world."

Anonymous said...

Michelle and Jim Bob raised the first five or so kids themselves. By the time JoyAnna was born, Jana was already 8, and probably quite the little mother's helper. I can imagine that she and Jill did a lot of helping (carrying, lifting,etc) when they were younger, in fact lots more helping out than Joy does now.

JB and Michelle have said repeatedly how hard the early years were and how God blessed them with daughters first. One can only imagine the size of their family had they had many sons first.

Also, discipline has flown out the window. That;s why the kids are running around creating chaos and noise and riding scooters in the house, sliding down stairs, hitting each other, banging on tables, etc. The blanket training days seem to have ended, and it seems that all discipline is gone (good thing on the end to blanket training).

If Jana or Jill leave to marry, the whole delicate balance in that family could fall apart which is why I don't think we'll be seeing any courtships any time soon.

Anonymous said...

I have read different articles from the past that have definitely stated which children were in charge of certain jurisdictions. I can't remember which daughter was in charge of the laundry when she was 12 years old, possibly Jana.

Anonymous said...

I believe it was in the People article that Jim Bob said it is easier now than when they had five because a lot of their children are adults now. They started those kids out very young doing the house work, a lot younger than the younger ones now. By Joy-Anna's age those older girls were doing a lot more than she seems to be doing.

I know too many people like the Duggars who are qf and they have said the same thing. It is easier with more because then the parents don't have to do any of the cooking and cleaning, their kids do the majority of it.

When my three were under the age of 5 and my pastors wife, who has 9 children, seemed to have it all together. She is like Michelle's clone with sweet baby talk voice and everything. I remember asking someone how my pastor's wife could do all she does and still seem to be calm. The lady looked at me and said don't you know. She doesn't do it all, she doesn't do hardly any of the work, her kids do. They do the cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc.

Celestie said...

As far as laundry, they had a program explaining that after the clothes are clean, they are put into one large space for everyone

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They still would need to be hung and/or folded. You just can't dump everything on the floor. I would assume they are also put in some sort of size order, or chaos would ensue. Then there are sheets and towels Laundering Just a weeks worth of sheets for 20 beds, including pak n plays, must be a daunting task. Towels, washcloths for 20 people. I'm sure those girls need extra towels for all that hair, too.

I wonder if there is a yuck factor among the older kids on not having your own underwear? Sort of prison like.

To the poster who wondered how Ma handled it when she only had 9 or 10 kids. By that time, the girls were 12 to 14 and were probably pretty much doing the work. Didn't Ma says she was glad god gave her the bunch of girls first so they could help with house and boys?

Nicole said...

"There is no way that six enemas a day is run-of-the-mill, or not painful. No way. And it is nothing whatsoever like "pooing in a diaper". It is a huge invasion to be literally DRAWING out the fecal material from her body!"

Without getting into the actual mechanics of an enema, I want to say that this isn't a correct description of how an enema works. Also, it is true that most of the time they aren't painful. As a nurse and a mother, I have given enemas numerous times, most of the time the baby doesn't even cry or show distress. Sometimes they even sleep through the procedure. I'm not diminishing the seriousness of Josie's condition. Obviously she is having significant digestive issues. I just wanted to make the point that likely this isn't causing Josie any significant amount of pain at this point in her life. I hope she she is able to get her digestive issues resolved soon and continue to grow stronger.

Sharla said...

Let's try to get this thread back on track, please. It's about the episode airing tomorrow not about jurisdictions, workloads, or courtships. Thank you and happy Mother's Day!

Anonymous said...

Without getting into the actual mechanics of an enema, I want to say that this isn't a correct description of how an enema works. Also, it is true that most of the time they aren't painful. As a nurse and a mother, I have given enemas numerous times, most of the time the baby doesn't even cry or show distress. Sometimes they even sleep through the procedure. I'm not diminishing the seriousness of Josie's condition. Obviously she is having significant digestive issues. I just wanted to make the point that likely this isn't causing Josie any significant amount of pain at this point in her life. I hope she she is able to get her digestive issues resolved soon and continue to grow stronger.

Thank you, I am also a nurse, a mother and a grandmother and when I made my statement about enemas not being painful for a baby I was speaking from experience. Enemas do not "suck" anything out of the intestines, it would be very dangerous if they did because they might catch the wall of the intestine and perforate it. I imagine if they don't get the problem solved she will go home on enemas and the parents will be trained in how to do them safely.

Anonymously Yours said...

Ok, enemas are not usually a favored topic of conversation, but I'll toss in my 2 cents.

I, too, am an RN, so yes, I understand the mechanics of giving/receiving one.

Everyone must have their own concept of what is or what is not a personal 'invasion,' and mine is that enemas qualify.

Yes, newborns can sleep through many things, including injections to their thighs. This does not translate to me that enemas are not that big a deal for such a tiny, struggling infant.

I hope this poor, sick child can make a full recovery without suffering any long term handicaps.

I feel so sorry for her in that her life to date has been filled with such stress and discomfort AND that her travails have been fodder for 'reality' tv.

Nicole said...

I am in total agreement that enemas are invasive and unpleasant, despite the fact that they aren't particularly painful. I feel so sorry that Josie is having these problems.

On another note, I would be really surprised if the girls didn't all have their own underwear, sheesh. I've never heard anything to indicate they all share undies!

Cyn said...

Something struck me while reading most of these comments... Michelle mentioned the enemas once, in fact Michelle was actually answering questions in an interview....

When asked by the camera guy Michelle put it this way "Josie is having plumbing problems."

All that to say this... we are the ones discussing Josie's medical conditions to death... Michelle and JimBob aren't, they are simply answering questions asked of them the same way they did when they have 10, 12, 14, and so on.

Because people have asked, they personally don't think it's polite to ignore the question and not answer or to tell people it's none of their business so they answer.

Long before the TV show, or even after the first show 14 and pregnant again perfect strangers would come up to them and ask the most personal questions. Michelle talked about it in early interviews and in the book.

She answers them because she is asked, she didn't and doesn't just start talking about their personal life or their children's personal things until asked...

Frankly if we are going to blame our knowledge of their lives on anything blame it on the nosy people and interviewers that ask the questions.

What was that slogan the one newspaper used.... "inquiring minds want to know?" When we stop inquiring they will stop answering.

Anonymous said...

If they want more, then its their choice.

I do hope they consider this before having #20.

a) They should get the younger kids who step and drag the siblings under control. Is Jackson would do that to Josie it could have horrible effects.

b)If Josie comes home(I pray she does) she will need lots of special care and maybe have a disabilty for the rest of her life. I really hope they take a break for a year and see how Josie is doing and just focus on her and her needs, no buddies. Just Mich and JB take care of her

Anonymous said...

I for one am sick of the enema discussion. It's a procedure that is done often. It's not fun but it's not really newsworthy. I feel constant discussion of a babies personal problem is more invasive than the procedure itself. Michelle has brought it up once because she is being open and honest about Josie's issues. Can we drop it now????

Anon 3:14 said...

When I'm asked a question by someone that I don't want to answer, I simply say, "That's a personal question I'm not going to answer."

JB&M must not mind sharing personal information or else they wouldn't keep answering the questions.

No one is forcing them to answer the interviewer's questions.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised they put it all out there, after all, Michelle is comfortable discussing her inverted nipples, so why not discuss Josie's enemas?

The horse is already out of the barn, but maybe someday JB&M will realize Josie deserves privacy.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Michelle and Jim Bob need to get a back bone and tell people that some questions they won't answer. There is nothing wrong or rude with saying I don't think I want to discuss that, it is private and personal. There wouldn't be anything to discuss if they would keep some things away from the public.

Anonymous said...

I went on youtube and some blogs of micropreemies and Josie looks very much like most of them. Almost none of the babies looked normal until a weight of over seven pounds. They almost all had rather odd shaped heads and faces with the unusual looking eyes. My vote is to give her until she weighs at least nine pounds before worrying that she won't grow out of that look.

Anonymous said...

What was that slogan the one newspaper used.... "inquiring minds want to know?"
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But "inquiring minds want to know" ONLY because this family CHOSE to SELL their privacy to the highest bidder!

Not really getting your point here. With all due respect.

Anonymous said...

that was nice. im surpised jim bob didnt show more emtion.

mythoughtis said...

ok, I saw the episode. Now I am even more disgusted with the Duggars trips in April. They said on the episode they were staying in LR for two weeks in case something happended. A setback caused Josie to be on oxygen when she came home. She failed her first car seat test, passed her second one the next day. They new that her immune system would be compromised for a full year. They knew others in her condition didn't make it out of NICU. And they had obviosly remained committed to these trips, and went on them.

cpmomm said...

Everything Michelle said brought back good and bad memories of when my second child and my third child were born prematurely. My third child was almost 26 weeks. Thankfully he did not have the digestive problems that Josie does. Everything Michelle said about the stress, the hospital and the family is so true, no matter what family you are. I have to admit I shed a few tears.

Judy said...

I noticed that Michelle used a lot of I statements in this hour. . I felt this, I did that, I, I, I. . .

Anonymous said...

I was so disgusted to see Johanna give Josie a kiss at the very end of the episode. It takes up to a week for a stomach virus to kick in. Can you imagine if Johanna had been unknowingly harboring some kind of virus when she kissed Josie? With the digestive problems she already has, that could literally kill her.

grannyD said...

I think it is so interesting how 90% of these comments refer to the fact that the Duggars talk about too much personal information about the kids and yet they also complain because they feel that something is really wrong with Josie and no one is talking...can't have it both ways you know!

I thought the show was really good even though we already knew that Josie had to go back to NCIU...

Cyn said...

But "inquiring minds want to know" ONLY because this family CHOSE to SELL their privacy to the highest bidder!

Not really getting your point here. With all due respect.
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My point is and was that when this family had 10 children, and had no TV show strangers came up and asked them personal questions. When this family had 12 children and had no TV show reporters came and asked them personal questions.

When this family had 14 children before the TV show they were asked these personal questions by reporters, and Churches asked them to come speak.

Since the TV show aired the questions have gotten more and more personal, and more and more intrusive. It's why the Duggars wrote the book to try and answer the questions perfect strangers would come up and ask them (and had been for years, go back and watch the first specials were even the kids talk about it).

People magazine would not be writing the articles (they know will sell), TLC would not have done past the first show had we the PUBLIC not wanted to know, and asked for the information.

We may not agree with how we get the information, or the fact that the children are or are not being exploited, but we all share the responsibility. You came to this blog and others like it because you wanted more information about the Duggars, or wanted to voice your views on the Duggars. Without the interest we the public give them they would not be sharing the information.

The Duggars did not go to TLC to ask them to do a show. The Discovery channel went to them, had we the public not been so curious about them there would not have been another show, much less a series.

Yes JimBob and Michelle agreed to do the shows, and in turn opened themselves up to a larger audience in the process. But we the public were the "inquiring minds" to begin with. When we the public stop discussing their every move, their every choice, their every breath People magazine, and the reporters will stop reporting on them and go on to other things.

That was my point.

Passive Observer said...

Judy said...

I noticed that Michelle used a lot of I statements in this hour. . I felt this, I did that, I, I, I. . .

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I noticed that as well, but most of this episode dialog was either in voice overs or "confessionals." In both situations, Michelle would actually be having a conversation with a producer with questions centering about how she felt, etc.

Anonymous said...

I think the episode was tastefully done but bittersweet especially because Josie was readmitted to the hospital. Although her issues are centered around her digestive system, I have to wonder if the fact that she is in the house with 20 plus (family and camera crew included) people, primarily children who don't practice cleanliness because they are children, could have contributed to her illness? There are so many airborne illness and germs that people carry and dont even know it. Her immune system is weak and even if the Duggars and crew were the cleanest people on Earth, the fact that she is surrounded by so many on a daily basis probably didn't help. A full term newborn with no preexisting issues should be exposed to that many people in the first 48 hrs they are home. Poor Josie just happens to live with a clan. I pray she is released from the hospital when she is well. The Duggars may want to reconsider having Josie in the home with the others until she is stable. Since the girls do most of the primary care of the little ones anyway, Michelle may consider staying in a temporary place with Josie until she gets better.

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

I absolutely cannot stand the way Michelle talks anymore. It's not only her voice but the way she moves her mouth. I can't hear it for one more episode.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why the girls say "whenever" instead of "when." Is this a southern thing?

mythoughtis said...

I would much prefer Michelle using 'I' statements, to the constant referring to herself in the third person as "Mommy' or 'Mama'. Even when she is talking about JB's thoughts about/toward her, she doesn't say 'me', she says 'his wife'. She doesn't have much sense of self, other than as a Mommy and a wife. It's one thing to refer to yourself as 'Mommy' when you are quoting the kids saying it, it is another to say that 'Mommy' said to Josie, etc... when the only people listening to her are not her children.

Anonymous said...

Do all premies leaving the hosptial have security guards help them to there car or was just for Josie?

Anonymous said...

TheSheenIsOfftheRose said...

Alas, I don't think they will get much, because reasonable and educated people are NOT the Duggar fanbase. Rather, their "rabid" fans will think any future continuing pregnancies are just further "gifts from God."
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I am a "reasonable and educated person" and I like the Duggar family. I am a nurse, I am educated, I come from a good family, I am not super religious, and I am sure there are many other Duggar fans out there that are similar to me.
I have been a long time lurker on this site and I've been watching the show for about a year. While I do not agree with everything the Duggars do, I do not watch this show to judge them.

Deanna said...

What a sad episode. As I watched, with all those kids wiping or picking their snotty noses, all crowding around and breathing on Josie, I thought...she doesn't have a chance. A micropreemie, especially one as ill as Josie, needs NO one touching her, except her parents or the oldest siblings, who have scrupulously washed their hands, adorned masks and gowns. At least at the beginning.

When I saw the kids fooling around at Josie's air tank, I thought, one false move of a knob, and Josie could be given too much, or too little air. Jim Bob didn't seem to understand the severity of the situation. I would not have even put the tank anywhere near where all those hooligans are. Put it up in the parent bedroom, where she will be sleeping, and forbid the kids to go in there.

The whole episode made me so sad. Josie is so sick because her mother would not heed doctor's advice, and kept having kids, even though she is unable to care for the ones she already has. Josie is a very ill baby, because I have never ever heard of anyone needing six enemas a day for a month. That is an extremely serious medical problem.

Even if the doctors are able to correct her digestive problems, I worry that her chances of survival in that house are very slim. Too many germs, too much noise and rambunctiousness. A tiny fragile child needs far more supervision, care and precautions than that family is able to give. Even the ten minutes we witnessed, with the air tank and everyone snuffling over and breathing on Josie, showed viewers that Michelle and Jim Bob still do not understand that Josie is not just another Duggar baby who can be welcomed home into their family noise and chaos. Their other kids could, but even Jordyn needed a hospital readmission, and she was a full term baby.

I hope Josie survives. I'm still concerned that she might not.

Snap! said...

Josie looked better than I thought she would. You can see that she is a Duggar. She did look like she was still too fragile to go home.
The Duggars are not wearing thrift store clothes anymore. All the children looked very trendy. They probably have more choices of stores in Little Rock. They no longer wear "collared shirts". What a contrast to the first episodes!
The boys were wearing shoes with wheels built in and proper fitting jeans. They look great and very up to date. Maybe Michelle and Jim Bob will pay for one of them to go to college one day!!

bonehead said...

Well, I watched the episode later. Michelle made me laugh, she went on about the children washing hands and not having drippy noses, and what we see the little ones having drippy noses and I saw no hand washing and leaning and breathing all over that poor baby. Do the Duggars not teach their younger children to put things away and clean up after themselves. Those younger children are not that little that they can not be taught to put things back, and put garbage in the trash, I saw garbage on the floor(then the older ones clean up after them). Do they not have respect for other peoples property, even rented property? I would be ashamed letting the world see my children running amok and throwing garbage on the floor, in a rented house. I know children can be messy, but all the preaching Jimbob & Michelle do about the children cleaning, learning, etc, she just made a fool of what she says to us/world. That baby is more safer in the hospital, the Duggars do not from what I have seen on their show, real big on safety or teaching safety. JMO

Anonymous said...

I am not a medical expert but that poor premie Josie has a very long road ahead if she is going to thrive and grow. I think the Duggar family may well be in denial as shown by the fact that Michelle thought the baby could survive a 3 hour plus drive to their home in Arkansas??? Not realistic IMO. That child may well be in the NICU for another few months at the very least. I wish them well....its a tough road.

Anonymous said...

"Josie is so sick because her mother would not heed doctor's advice, and kept having kids, even though she is unable to care for the ones she already has."

This is an interesting perspective. Michelle's doctor was filmed saying she was in good health and made to have babies, not that she shouldn't have more. And yes she's sick because she's premature, but if Michelle had decided not to have more, Josie wouldn't be sick true, but she wouldn't be alive either. That's an ethical issue I'm going to let her parents decide.

Celestie said...

II have refrained from commenting on Josie, other than those ridiculous foreign objects that the parents were constantly trying to affix to her head, while she was so fragile. I wish her the best. The Strawberry hat looked cute and didn't have anything projecting from it

It was a joyful show last night to see her coming home. What was not joyful was seeing the oxygen system in a place, where anyone could push a button or hit a tube or turn a dial? Since the children seem unmonitored, for the most part, it could easily happen. It also shocked the bejabbers out of me to see one or more of the young hooligans blowing noise makers in the baby's wee face before she even was removed from the car. That is going to have be one tough little kid to survive being a member of this brood.

Did anyone notice all the frontal hugs that Ma and Pa were giving the nurses? More warm genuine affection for them, than their own kids, me thinks.

Anonymous said...

how many weeks was josie whem she was born?The box said she was 11 weeks early that would make her 28 but I thought she was less then that.

Anonymous said...

I was surprised to see the Doctors and Nurses being interviewed.

I don't thing "Josie comes home" was a sutible title for this episode. I should have been more along the lines of "Josie's Story". It was more the process of her birth to her coming home.

Although the episode was quite pointless considering the screen how it said she came back to the hospital shortly after, it was quite sweet.

I also loved Jackson's comment. He said "Nothing is happening today. Only Josie is coming home."

Overall, okay episode.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I thought it was very well documented.

babysteps said...

Anonymous said...

THEY Sold their privacy to a tv show. WE get to be judgemental as a result.
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We can be judgmental but we shouldn't be cruel. Especially when it comes to children. Some things I have seen written here are just cruel and out to hurt the Duggars. You call them bad and greedy but just look at your own behavior. It is possible to be critical without being overly mean.

Anonymous said...

Josie is looking very alert.You can see it in her eyes and facial expression.I think that is a very good sign.

Nicole said...

"And the Duggars are never judgmental--NIKE!"

This doesn't fit the description of being judgmental. To the Duggars NIKE means "avert your eyes!" That's it. It doesn't mean, look down on this person, there's a bad person, we're better than this person, or anything else that being judgmental usually means. They're just trying to prevent their young sons from seeing something they feel they shouldn't see. While it does seem a little silly, it isn't judgmental.

Anonymous said...

I thought I read in an article awhile back that Josie's constipation was caused by the additives in the breast milk? I guess if she's still in the hospital getting her digestive issues worked out that it isn't that simple...

I certainly hope they make a new "jurisdiction" out of keeping the toddlers away from the oxygen tank if Josie still needs it.

Anonymous said...

Just watching the rerun of this episode. I noticed as they were leaving the hospital, there were 2 or 3 police officers with them.

Is that normal hospital protocal or do they have hired security that follows them around?

Kitten said...

Well, yes, Nike IS judgemental, because the Duggars are saying that the person is dressed inappropriately and "showing" parts of the body the Duggars believe will cause their boys to burst into a frenzy of uncontrollable lust.

That's a judgement. It may be a silly one, but it is a judgement of that other person's choice in clothing.

Anonymous said...

Nicus do let you decorate your nursery area. The blanket over the isolatte makes it darker and quieter to block out the business of the nicu. Stuff animals inside are often used to surround the baby to make it more womb like and decrease extension muscle tone.

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Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Kitten. The Nike alert is because the girls are supposed to keep an eye out for possible inappropriate bare skin. Thus, they have to exercise their judgment and decide if a v-neck shirt is "too low" and thus the sight of the skin near to the breast area may inflame lust in their brother's minds.

I guess they have to also monitor the clinginess of clothing, whether someone is wearing hip hugger pants, showing too much calf, showing midriff, too much bare arm, who knows all what else they are supposed to be on the look out for.

But yes, it's a judgment call to look at a stranger and decide if they are dressed suggestively and thus will inspire lust if said sister doesn't call out Nike fast enough to avert her brother's easily led into sinful thought eyes.

Personally, I find the whole practice silly in the extreme. How about JimBob just teaches his boys some good manners and self control? Boys and men look at women and find them attractive. It's human nature. But a wise father teaches his sons through example and words that one should be respectful toward others when out in public, and be discreet if you must take a glance. Trying to stop it from happening is just pure foolishness. God gave us eyes to observe the world around us, not our tennis shoes.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Concerning the "judgement" the Duggars make when they say "nike" is nothing wrong. We all make judgment calls all day long. They are not so much judging the person who has the outfit on as much as judging how it may affect their children.

Do you not all judge throughout the day things you choose to eat or what to buy? It happens all day long. We all are judgemental in most of our decisions throughout the day.

Anonymous said...

What bothers me the most about the NIKE phrase is it puts the burden and responsibility of their brother's "innocense and purity" on the girls. They shouldn't have to police what their brother's might see. It is Jim Bob's responsility to teach his boys how to handle seeing a girl/woman they think is dressed properly.

You say Nike? said...

The whole NIKE thing is ridiculous, especially now that the girls wear tight shirts and shorter skirts. Maybe they are defrauding their own brothers, showing curves and knees.

I remember JoyAnna covering up the TV and trying to define "defrauding". It was kind of pathetic. She had no clue.

The fact is that John David and Joseph are around Google all the time now, since they aren't housebound raising their mother's children. Methinks there have been some NIKE moments that they have witnessed, out there in the world without their sisters shouting for them to look down.

Bizarre.

Kitten said...

Yes, we all make judgements all day long. That's why it's silly to say "Nike" is NOT a judgement. Of course it is, whether we agree with it or not. That is all...

Anonymous said...

I was very disappointed in the Josie Comes Home special. It has been on a couple of times since Mother's Day. It should be titled "Josie Comes to Visit."

I do not think Michelle and Jim Bob are intellectually equipped to grasp what needs to be done with a premie. They have been very lucky in the past. Their newest blessing is adorable, but she needs more time and attention because she is a premie. Her homecoming showed how little they grasp on what needs to be done and when.

The way Michelle described Josies' condition, etc., she is really describing it at a children's level to the viewers. I wonder if that is what she comprehends as well or if that is just for the viewing audience? Makes me wonder?

I think Michelle and Jim Bob should have sat down and made a plan on what they were going to do when Josie came home. Have a quiet place to be, low noise, a warmer room, and be able to give her a lot of one one one attention she needs. What they filmed was just a brief glimpse of their lives, but that brief moment was also very telling. Sometimes you have to be aware of what is going on around you instead of just performing for the cameras.

Josie is more important than showing off to a viewing audience. She needs to be kept warm, watch out for viruses and germs, etc. Watching all the kids paw at her made me cringe. I wanted to say "Where are Her Parents!"

I feel sorry for Josie but I hope she will be able to overcome this.

Nicole said...

There was no pawing from the kids. Of course they wanted to, but the parents and the older girls kept repeating "don't touch", and nobody was allowed to hold her.

I don't get why people keep saying the parents don't "get it" that their baby is sick. They are constantly talking about it! They use all the right medical terms, they know about her oxygen saturation levels, her vital signs, her feeds and how often they need to be, her hydration level, her output, etc. They purposely stayed in Little Rock because they knew it was still touch and go. Michelle discussed the need for handwashing. I'm just not seeing the basis for the "they dont' get it!" accusations.

If anyone fell down on the job here, it may have been the hospital staff. Josie's digestion has always been an area of concern, why wasn't Michelle shown how to do an enema for the baby before she was sent home? And instructed to give one if the baby hasn't had bowel movement for X number of hours? It isn't difficult for nurse to teach the procedure to a diligent mother. Or if the dr. doesn't want Michelle doing it herself, then to call the hospital if X number of hours have passed without bowel movement. Of course I don't know for sure, but it seems to me like someone at the hospital dropped the ball there. Michelle was doing everything she was supposed to be doing for the baby. She had woken her for her 2 AM feed, and when she started having problems, she began skin-to-skin contact as she had been taught, and was worried about her core temp being low. There isn't anything else she could have done.

We don't have to agree with everything these parents do, but the argument that they don't understand that their baby is ill holds no water. Of course they know it. They've been living it for the past six months.

Sisi said...

Who is educating the children with Michelle gone at the hospital all day? Homeschooling only works with someone being home to supervise the schooling. IN none of the episodes did I see even a computer (for the online courses they do) in the Little Rock house.
Little Rock must have a private parochial school that meets the Duggars religious requirements. Then again would their kids be at grade level with the rest of the kids?
They have smart kids, and its terrible to waste those smarts. THey should be getting an education, especially college, if only to have the means to support the large broods they may end up having. Josh is lucky to have been given a house and put into a used car business. I doubt that the others will be as lucky.

Cyn said...

They are home schooling on the computers in Little Rock. Go back 3-4 episodes it was discussed in depth on these blogs about how bad it was to spend all day long on nothing but a computer.

Anonymous said...

I feel so sorry for the children because IMHO, the School of The Dining Room Table results in their being what I consider "sub-educated", even though they consider their kids to be "well-educated".

In watching the shows and what TLC tries to spoon-feed audiences, the Duggar kids don't seem very passionate/excited about learning or their subjects except for Jana and her music. Shapes and colors at Biltmore House....yikes.

My heart nearly breaks seeing that most of their education focuses upon regurgitating what they are taught, e.g. memorization of facts & acceptable doctrine.

These kids are not being taught how to think, or how to learn even though Michelle says in her blog that they encourage the kids to continue learning and developing skills.

The Duggar kids aren't even aware of all that they don't know- e.g. good study habits, critical thinking, organizing ideas, creative writing, art (beyond crayons) creative problem-solving and more. These skills are just as important for maturation and survival as changing a tire.

The Duggar "life-long learning" Michelle mentions seems to focus only on practical tasks, e.g. changing diapers, changing tires, and other chores within the activities of daily living.

While the girls will be well-trained wives and mothers (already are!), the mind needs exercise and good food as much as the body. No wonder they seem so bored with workbooks and at the computer screens when shown.

I feel sorry for the kids without a core of passion or excitement for learning - what a waste of their potential! It is true- a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

And sadly, I think the Duggar parents are limiting the kids, perhaps unconsciously, so that their children will never be smarter, better paid or more successful than JB & M.

Celestie said...

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There was no pawing from the kids. Of course they wanted to, but the parents and the older girls kept repeating "don't touch," and nobody was allowed to hold her.

A couple of the little hooligans were blowing noise makers in the baby's face before she even was taken from the car. Next shot, she is on the floor, surrounded by small children, with the ever present picking of noses, while closely inspecting her. They may not have touched her, but they were breathing all over her.

I think Ma and Pa understand the baby's condition more than any of us do. I'm not so sure they realize the impact the rest of the kids, and their unsanitary behaviors have. As far as anyone being able to hold her, as many have said before, we don't see everything. Several of the children were allowed to hold her in the hospital. There is no reason to believe they aren't holding her now. Not that it is bad to hold her if they are healthy and clean.

Anonymous said...

Jackson was blowing and picking his nose beforehand. After Jim bob stupidly set Josie's car seat on the floor (I cannot even imagine doing anything like that), Jackson wiped his nose with his sleeve and then peered right into her carseat. Watch the video. I was absolutely amazed at this. I didn't see anyone wash hands beforehand either.

I would never have even allowed the kids NEAR the carseat, and never, ever have put it on the floor. I would have kept the car doors locked until I, the parent, opened them to bring my sick daughter out (I wouldn't have beeped the horn a hundred times either).

Allowing the kids to open the car door and clambor all over her while blowing noisemakers in the face, and then to crowd around, breathe on and touch her carseat, when Josie was set on the floor (this just boggles the mind), shows how CLUELESS Jim Bob really is. CLUELESS.