Free Discussion June 2010

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Hannah Leah said...

Its going to a slow month without the weekly shows. However, I think the duggars needs a break from tlc for Josie to get healthy. I bet the "fall" opener will be Josies surgery for her bowls etc.


stay strong little girl!!

Anonymous said...

I am sure that they will be filming during the summer.No break for Josie or the other kids.

nccalgal said...

Carrying over the discussion on the May thread re Josie's overall digestive deficiencies. These are considered congenital anomalies, meaning there was a malfunction during development and is not a genetic deficiency. That means she cannot pass the condition on were she to have children. It also means that she would have had these problems even if she had been full term, although I'm sure her prematurity adds to the problem. Any number of factors could cause this, but often it's just a matter of "it happened". I speak from experience since my son had similar issues and after being questioned regarding my "lifestyle" habits" and environmental exposures, the doctor finally admitted most of the time, these things just happen. True, the older a woman is as well as the number of pregnancies do factor into it, but it can happen to young, first-time mothers as well.

Anonymous said...

JB's sister posted that Josie is doing extremely well and should be coming home very soon!

Anonymous said...

I am pretty sure this has been mentioned before but I think it is worth bringing up again due to the bigger picture.

JohnDavid has shared on their TV show that he would like to be a pilot. In their book this also comes up and Michelle & JimBob say they remind JohnDavid to take into consideration that a pilot could be away from their family & home a lot.

My suggestion is this: wouldn't it be a great idea if JohnDavid joined the Air Force (or Army.) He has not been encouraged to go to college. He would receive great training & education. It is always honorable to serve our country.

But...and this is the bigger issue...the extreme religious conservatives do not seem to encourage their kids to join the armed forces. Do they not care about the United States because they believe it is not as important as Jesus???

Why would JohnDavid CHOSE a crummy tow truck business instead of joining the Air Force? That's so sad...my heart is breaking for him now too.

Celestie said...

Next I watched the cookie making clip. Oh my. As the mother of little boys who also throw themselves into the process of cooking making, I must say I was taken aback by the lack of hygiene. Boots, shoes, damp bottoms (even after potty training, bottoms can sometimes be a bit damp) on counter, running hands through hair prior to handling dough were not discouraged in any way. The object of cooking making, is to make a product that can be enjoyed by others, learning cooking skills including cleanliness. Makes you wonder what all went into those treats. Dirt, bugs, hair gel, nose snot.... yummers.

Kitten said...

Saying "it just happens" is a bit of a red herring in the case of the Duggars. Lung cancer does sometimes strike young non-smokers, but if you smoke, your chances of lung cancer increase every year. Ditto for genetic abnormalities in pregnancies - eggs and sperm do deteriorate as you age, and the chance of an abnormality increases. That is a known risk, not an unpredictable event happening to someone with no known risk factors.

Sharla said...

Friendly warning. I let Celestie's comment through but we aren't going to "go there" regarding religious customs. Please feel free to discuss the ear piercing that we did see, however.

Anonymous said...

I was wondering - has anyone ever heard any actual statements by the Duggars regarding college, university, etc. for their children?

I find it almost impossible to imagine that these children are going to "graduate" with the same educational requirements as high school graduates, given their "home schooling". While I have no doubt that they're a bunch of smart cookies I think the females are being groomed to be married off and play wife while the boys... er, do something. It's obvious they're not exactly being set up for the batchelor life.

;)

Anonymous said...

regarding the AF/Army vs tow truck business:

It seems to me that JB&M really don't want any of their brood moving far off the compound. I believe I saw Michelle once saying that when she can't have any more children that she'll still be surrounded by her grandchildren, etc. since they'll all stay close to home.

They do seem rather scared to allow their children to have contact with the outside world. The few times they do, such as the marathon, the younger ones seem almost terrified at contact with the average person. And I can't imagine the conversations they have to be having after seeing the "wild" women wearing shorts and shirts to jog in!

Anonymous said...

I've heard JB say supportive things about the military, so it isn't as though they're pacifists and therefore object to military service. I think the Duggar parents discourage the military because the lifestyle can be un-Christian, especially for new recruits. Yes, the military is known to attract wholesome, traditional, conservative types. But soldiers drink and curse and chase women and even if John David resisted those temptations, he would still be exposed to them.

The Duggars love their children and they seem very good-natured, but their parenting style is all about benevolent control.

Anonymously Yours said...

"The Duggars love their children and they seem very good-natured,but their parenting style is all about benevolent control."

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IMO, when it is adults dealing with adults, there is nothing 'benevolent' about control.

sue said...

Did we ever find out what the 'Big Bombshell' was?

Jen said...

Jana was wearing dangling earrings in the ear piercing clip and she was wearing a different pair of dangling earring in the photo on a blog about the mission trip she is on.

When did she get her ears pierced? or could they be clip on earrings?

Anonymous said...

Nope, Big bombshell, such that it was, was a bust. Two cancelled Today show appearances. I still think it was to announce #20, and then TLC got wind of all the negativity out there towards Michelle, the brood mare with the ill baby still in the NICU, already incubating the next one. I guess they decided to hold off on the announcement. Or she had a miscarriage, and that was the end of the announcement anyway.

The backlash for #20 is not pretty. As one blogger wrote, "It isn't a family: it's a hostage situation".

Anonymous said...

John David is an adult. If he wants to join the Air Force, he can walk out the door and go to a recruiter's office. All of the adult children might be sheltered, but nobody is holding guns to their heads and forcing them to stay with their parents.

msrylee said...

I don't recall hearing about the "big bombshell". Perhaps someone could refresh my memory if it was mentioned.

IMO I think JD would benefit greatly by joining the military. I'm not sure about the U.S. military, but in Canada, one can earn a pilot's licence. A requirement to remain in the military for a specified time exists. However, it is a great way to earn his licence, and not have to pay incredibly high fees to obtain it. My partner is a commercial pilot and it costs a lot of money for training and licences.

I would like to see the older Duggars follow their dreams re:careers.

the bad juju said...

Lets just hope they didn;t reproduce again.

Hopewell said...

I had hoped the Bates would be at the ATI Convention in the season finale. Too bad--maybe they'll start there when they give us new episodes again. I do hope if, God forbid, little Josie dies they don't film the family holding her and the funeral and all.

Michelle said on the TLC blog the girls are looking at different course--naturally they all happen to be subjects offered thru ATI/IBLP!

I do hope they will show us John and Jana and Anna's sister on their mission trip though. That would be interesting.

Swissmiss said...

Becoming a pilot is the dream of many, but I understand the Air Force has so many applicants that they reject the overwhelming majority and funnel them into another job (although it could still be on the plane - just not as a pilot). Someone told me they have even rejected candidates for having too many fillings in their teeth; I have no idea if that is correct.

Lexie said...

I had a friend in highschool that tried to get into the air force. He was a straight A student and still wasn't accepted. So I really doubt John David would be accepted into the air force with his SOTDRT degree. He could do Military or Navy though and work his way up to a pilot.

Celestie said...

IMO I think JD would benefit greatly by joining the military. I'm not sure about the U.S. military, but in Canada, one can earn a pilot's licence.

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You can do that in the US Army, Navy or Airforce, but one of the major requirements is, that you be a college graduate. Since JD is not even a high school graduate, (in as much, he has not taken real coursework) he would have a long row to hoe. If he went in and he proved himself to be smart enough and capable enough, he probably could get the military help him with his education, then on to college and learning to fly.

Are they freedom freeloaders?
In my browsing on like minded to the Duggars, family blogs, I noticed while fiercely conservative and supportive of war, none send their sons or daughters to the military. If they want freedom to practice their religion, It might be the right stuff for them to defend it, by serving their country. If they don't trust the convictions of their adult children, then maybe not.

Amber Rose said...

Looks like Mr and Mrs Duggar have different rules for themselves than they have for their 19 children. Has anyone else wondered about the fact that JB and M are asking their children to lead lives with so many fewer choices and so many more rules than each of them ever had growing up? Both JB and M came to their religious beliefs on their own without parental permission required; they dated and chose their own marriage partners without parental permission required; they chose the work/careers they wanted without parental permission required; they got accredited high school diplomas and the choice for further education without parental permission required. In addition neither lived in a household with 18+ younger brothers or sisters and were not required to do any younger sibling child care at all!

Contrast this to the startling constricted/restricted lives they have arranged for their own children, 3 of whom are now as old or older than JB and M were when they married. I can’t help but wonder if either of them have given any thought at all to how they would have reacted if their own parents had brought them up with such extreme control.

Amber Rose

Amanda said...

The rules the Duggars have is more about control than choice...You CAN be a mid-wife BUT you have to do it this way.

The older Duggar children are free to leave but they don't know how. I can picture for the last 16/17 years they (esp. the girls) have been told daily they are JB's children until they marry the person that JB see fit. Even married look how often Josh is literally in the picture. It's like he just doesn't know what to do. The kids aren't being taught how to leave their parents and cleave to a spouse.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes I wonder if the whole Today Show false alarms were just to boost ratings for their last episodes because of declining viewership? This seems pretty devious on the part of both TLC and the Today Show if they willingly participated in such a plan, but I don't understand why else it happened.

Anonymous said...

If anyone is interested in following Jana and JD's mission trip, there is a blog here:

http://thechroniclesofci.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html

Anony Mouse said...

@Amber Rose: EXCELLENT point. It seems that while Mr. & Mrs. D demand respect and freedom to do life and religion THEIR way, they do not return the favor to those who have different ideologies. And their poor children are given no latitude, no preparation to make this kind of decision for themselves.

Anonymous said...

Celestie said:
Are they freedom freeloaders?
In my browsing on like minded to the Duggars, family blogs, I noticed while fiercely conservative and supportive of war, none send their sons or daughters to the military.
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I have often noticed the same thing. Often very vocally supportive of "the troops," yet not so supportive that they want their own children to join the military. This is understandable on many levels, not the least is that if you join the military, you basically "belong" to that branch for the duration. They tell you where to go, what to do, what to wear. Instead of your father being the authority over you, suddenly it's your superior officer and that superior officer might even be a woman.

Being in the military would also expose you to all sort of people from different backgrounds and beliefs, and you would find out that we actually have more in common than not. That would put a crimp in Gothard's belief system, which seems to lead to a mindset that everyone who doesn't follow Gothard is a heathen. Some are nice heathens, to be sure, but heathens nonetheless and to be avoided when possible.

Although the Duggars give lip service to allowing their children to pursue whatever direction they choose in life, they've raised them in a manner that limits those choices and certainly puts a premium on staying close to home, finding some sort of small business to operate if you are a male, and learning how to run a home and a family if you are a female. It would be rather difficult for any Duggar to do much else in life, given they have very little education. I'm not sure they really have a decent high school education.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if JB,out of jealously,enjoys referring to Michelle's previous relationships as 'baggage'? And in case any of her former suitors happen to see her on tv,he gets the last word in by referring to them as nothing more than 'baggage' to her,whilst he is 'THE MAN'.just a thought.

Anonymous said...

Didn't they say at one point that the land they built their house on was spacious enough for more homes? So the kids could literally build on the compound?

Anonymous said...

Regarding John David´s career choices, isn´t it possible that he changed his mind about wanting to be a pilot, just as I changed my goals at least 10 times when I was his age. Becoming a pilot is a great dream, but reality is always more complicated. Perhaps he chose the towing business because it was easier and would enable him to work with Josh.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Jim Bob did say at one point that they have enough land that their children could build homes on it, if they want to. I didn´t find this to be weird only because I grew up in a rural community where it wasn´t uncommon for people to live in the same neighborhood as their parents and sometimes even grandparents. It´s a different mentality.

Celestie said...

Amber Rose said
Looks like Mr and Mrs Duggar have different rules for themselves than they have for their 19 children. Has anyone else wondered about the fact that JB and M are asking their children to lead lives with so many fewer choices and so many more rules than each of them ever had growing up? Both JB and M came to their religious beliefs on their own without parental permission required; they dated and chose their own marriage partners without parental permission required;

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I have wondered about this myself. JB and M made all sorts of decisions about their lives when they were young, yet have hindered these choices by their children. Girls are raised to be homemakers, sons to work in some menial job that keeps them close to parents. Someone else said benevolent control, is still control. That is true. These kids/adults should be able to make good decisions if they have been raised in a good, nurturing and loving environment. Yet they are not encourage to further their education, go into military or even mix it up with other people of various back grounds. They are not encouraged to pursue their dreams or ambitions. They are not encourage to grow intellectually or socially. Michelle says Jill wants to be a nurse. What are the parents doing to help her in her goals? Is being a full time nanny keeping her from breaking out and pursuing them herself? What happen to Josh being a lawyer or JD learning to fly? Jana wants to study or perform music, yet her duties and limitations of social exposure, would keep her from carrying out these ambitions. Do you think the whole bunch of them should join the military and see the world, or at least another world? Do you think they should be making decisions on their own? Do you think being paid off with the benevolent father with an iphone is good enough?

Tess said...

Anyone notice the ring on priscilla's finger on the mission trip blog? Looks a lot more like an engagement ring than a purity ring to me (though it is a coloured stone). Then again, it also looks a lot like like the ring Michaela Bates was wearing.

Snap! said...

I just watched the episode when they moved into their current home.Michelle was pregnant with Johannah- so 4 years ago. The family has changed so much. The little kids are much more wild now. They wear trendy clothes that fit and never match each other anymore. Michelle seems less involved with raising of the kids. It will be interesting to see the family when this new group of pre-schoolers enter their teens. I don't think they will want to conform like the older Duggar kids do.

msrylee said...

Thanks to all who answered my questions regarding JD and the military. The parents have always said that they are O.K. with the kids and their career choices, but it is my opinion that the Duggars have severely limited their career options. A commercial pilot flying in Ontario Canada is required to have a university/college degree with all the flying licences and requirements of aviation regulations. Pharmacists are required to complete 5 years of university, plus appropriate internships and licencing. Could any of the Duggars qualify to enter such programmes? Probably not, without up-grading courses and grade-point averages.

It is just so sad that there is such potential being ignored in these kids.

Swissmiss said...

As far as the 'big bombshell' that wasn't, maybe they were hoping Josie would be released after her second hospital stay, but it didn't happen???

Anonymous said...

After submitting the comment re: the Tinker Toy house & no basement, this morning I watched Duggars Moving In. It really was one of the nicer episodes. Saw that it was JimBob himself who called it "the ultimate Tinker Toy house." Also they said they bought all of those kitchen appliances at auction. So maybe TLC just did the decorating & final getting ready.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

By the way I read on their web site that they plan to be back in the Fall so this is not their last season.

Lexie said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anyone is interested in following Jana and JD's mission trip, there is a blog here:

http://thechroniclesofci.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html

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Looks like that horrid perm is back.

Anonymous said...

can someone post a link to the ear percing clip people keep talking about?

Anonymous said...

I think it is really sad. The kids "graduate" at about age 16 from the SOTDRT yet what kind of education did they really get? Michelle did not go to school beyond HS and JB I can't even guess but I doubt it was very far. I can't imagine the kids ever had enough math or science to pass High School. (Do the Duggars have a biology lab and a chem lab and other supplemental learning tools?) The girls, if they really do want to go into any medical field, would have needed Biology, Chemistry, Anatomy, Advanced Math and more. I can't imagine them even getting accepted into beginning college, much less any kind of medical training beyond that. And if the older kids had an inadequate education, what will happen with the current school-age herd? If Michelle spends all day at the hospital, she can't possibly be home-schooling. So now we are down to teenage sister-moms who are probably at about an eighth or ninth grade level of schooling themselves, trying to teach the younger ones. I really wonder if those poor kids are so brainwashed that they don't even know the possibilities that are out there. I just can't imagine denying my kids the chance to grow and experience life. It is wonderful to see your kids learn and grow and decide on careers they are anxious to pursue, even if you did enjoy all the years they were at home,(as I did!) It is sad to think about the Duggar girls. Jana is the same age as my youngest daughter who is currently enjoying college and is in the college band and has a part time job and is choosing her career and learning to budget her funds. Meanwhile Jana and her sisters get up in the morning, change diapers and feed kids that their parents can't stop making, "teach" school, change more diapers, feed, clean, do dishes and laundry all day long, go on lame field trips appropriate for 10 year olds, go to bed in the big dorm room with the babies, and start all over again the next day. And wait for the special one that God, I mean JB chooses for them so they can "court" under the watchful eye of their parents, and finally have their first chaste kiss at the altar. What if Mr. Right never is sent from above? Is this their fate when they are 30, 40, and beyond? Sad, sad, sad!

Anonymous said...

According to people.com as of 5:00PM Josie was released from the hospital again.She was diagnosed with being "lactose intolerant". The article says she is the size of a full term baby and doing fine.I am happy for the Duggars and hope the tough part for Josie is over.

Here's the link:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20391132,00.html

MOM IN TEXAS

Anonymous said...

Baby Josie came home today. Per People Magazine, her problems were largely due to lactose intolerance. Except in copied posts from other blogs, and conjecture, i never saw an actual news story about any congenital/structural digestive issues.

i wish them nothing but the best, and i pray it's uphill for baby josie from now on.

Elise said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...
By the way I read on their web site that they plan to be back in the Fall so this is not their last season.

No it is not, in the people article it states they will be returing on August 10th with the homecoming of Josie.

Anonymous said...

Does this mean the "Dairy Queen" spent all those hours pumping and viewers had to watch her label all those frozen vials of breast milk and the kid can't use them? We even heard how she only pumps skim milk--how modest!

winsomeone said...

Wonder what in the world will she do with all of that frozen milk? I always thought it was strange that she kept freezing and freezing it like she did.

Nancy said...

I so called the Josie v.2 VSE to kick off the season in August.

I'm just curious what happened to the floating organs and all those other problems that were reported in the original People article? As I understand it, Josie was going to have to have organs and intestines attached to the lining of her abdominal cavity. Now it's "just" lactose intolerance?

I am sorry, but Josie had been on breast milk for quite some time with few problems. Something's not adding up here...what happened to her needing all those tests and surgery once she reached 8 lbs. (all reported, I assume, with the Duggars' blessing (they appear to be very controlled about who handles their media (and these days it's TLC, People and the Today Show).

Also curious, with Jana in SE Asia, how the new division of labor will fall since Jill seems to be the "mom" these days? I think more work than is right will be foisted on poor Joy. Someone has to cook (Jinger or Jessa) and someone else has to clean and do laundry (the other girl), since we all know Michelle abdicated all these duties (other than that nasty baby shower punch) years ago.

Millie at home said...

Josie may be reacting to her mother's milk but it may be to the dairy products that Michelle is taking in. Being lactose intolerant doesn't necessarily rule out breast feeding! It may also have been intolerance to the additives they put in the breast milk to help her gain faster. They may also contain lactose.

Whatever is the basis for the problem it is wonderful that she is doing well and has been released. Hopefully she will be able to go all the way home to Tonitown to the family home soon.

Laurie said...

Gee, it sure took them a long time to diagnose lactose-intolerance. Amazing nobody tested her for that until now. I was born with a milk allergy (not sure if it was lactose related). I got sick when Mom fed me and it took my Grandma to tell the doctors what was wrong. The condition ran in my Dad's side of the family apparently.

Anonymous said...

It's all so very odd and such different diagnosis from floating organs to lactose intolerance? I'm hoping it was to additives and not Michelle's milk. I have a child born with lactose intolerance and trust me that child has never needed an enema in her life. That was key to her diagnosis. The diapers until we got it under control were something else.

The Shaffer Family said...

I'm wondering if it's really lactose intolerance, as that doesn't normally develop until much later. I'm guessing that Josie may have a milk protein allergy, which tends to rear it's head at a few months (gestationally where she is). While this doesn't rule breastfeeding, all the stored milk cannot be used and Michelle would have to adhere to a VERY strict diet. With the health issues Josie has had, the doctor would probably insist on a elimination diet. Honestly, with all these health issues that have been reported for Josie (perforated bowel, unattached organs, "lactose itolerance'), I can't believe that the doctors would have her on a special diet of Neocate or Elecare. These are hypoallergenic, predigested formulas.

Anonymous said...

Infants can have lactose intolerance. I'm the mother of one.

I wish JB & M would let JD, J and J go to college... said...

i feel so bad for JD and him wanting to be a pilot. Doesn't JB know that they need pilots in the missionary field?
Jana should be allowed to pursue what ever she wants. Jill wants to be a nurse, she needs to go to college NOW. instead of taking care of Josie, her mother michele needs to take care of her. i saw her on tv last night when she was telling jennifer bye, i love you! she looks pregnant and she looked like she had on a maternity top.
she would not wear one from december months later!

i feel so sorry for all the kids. their parents are really holding them back, just like kate gosselin with the tups, keeping them babied so they don't look older.

Nancy said...

Nobody's denying that Josie might have LI. The point is why wasn't it diagnosed earlier and what happened to all those floating organs? They don't just miracuously grow ligaments that weren't there at birth and reattach themselves.

As was pointed out, LI wouldn't require enemas; quite the contrary. The truth of the matter, IMO, is that we are not getting the full picture of Josie's health, or are being mislead. Given People's failure to address the issues they published just a few weeks ago, Josie all of a sudden JUST having LI doesn't add up.

I understand the need to protect Josie, but JB & M used her to make money. Since this is the case, I think they owe their viewers (and detractors) a fair shake.

I was one of the first to note that Arrington guy seemed to be a quack and I stand even more firmly by those remarks, both here and elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Who or what is "Arrington guy"?

I'm not buying the "just" lactose intolerance spiel. There's far more wrong with that child than LI. She's the normal weight now for a full term baby . . . but she's months past the date where she would have been full term gestationally.

Anonymous said...

Josie's growth can't in fairness be compared to even age adjusted growth charts. She would be graphed on the VLBW growth chart. She's closing in on the 5th percentile there.

Anonymous said...

Dr Arington is the pediatric neonatologist who has been treating Josie since she was moved to the larger hospital. He has been in several episodes, older white-haired guy with southern accent.

mythoughtis said...

Can someone please explain to me why the posters (on any blog) who favor the Duggars get so upset when posters disagree with themsagree with them, but feel free to call me intolerant when I say that the Duggars are limiting their children's future opportunities by their lifestyle?

Anonymous said...

Something indeed is fishy. People published a story not long ago that said Josie had "floating organs." I didn't read the story, but that apparently was a medical diagnosis that People writers received from either a) the doctor or other medical staff allowed to provide info to the magazine or b) from the Duggars themselves. That info has never been publicly contradicted.

Now we have a second article that makes no further mention of Josie's internal organs, but discusses that they just now discovered she is lactose intolerant. Sorry, but that's baloney. Or else the medical staff at that hospital are all idiots.

I've seen pictures of Josie and the video shown of her homecoming. That little thing has some serious medical issues - it's clear. It's more than lactose intolerance.

My son was born with a form of lactose intolerance. He could process breast milk fairly well but when I switched to formula, it was quite a process to find a formula that he could digest. But it was pretty clear and easily diagnosed - it didn't take a rocket scientist.

Anyway, my prayers will continue for little Josie - she's had had it very rough, with lots of painful and invasive procedures. All I want is for her to not be in pain, to thrive and to receive competent medical care and the full attention and care she deserves from her parents. If anyone is taking nursing and first aid classes, it ought to be Mr. and Mrs. Duggar. Finally, they had better have arrangements in place for hired, professionally trained medical care at home for Josie's return - not the unpaid labor of their untrained teenage daughters.

Steve knight said...

People want to see the duggers as a shining example of perfect christainhood. but since no such thing exists they can't be and people get upset when this is pointed out.

Donna said...

Anonymous at 1:42 p.m. (06/03/10), you hit the nail on the head as far as what the older girls do on a daily basis! They are, in all effect, the sister-moms; they are in charge of the whole kit and caboodle (tending to the kids and house and ALL that it entails). The "they are buddies", or "merely helping along" (what we've been told in the past) is diminishing what they currently do. I think there was a time that the "buddy system" might have truly been just that, but that time has come and went and the older girls are now full-charge nannies, au pairs, etc.

You nailed it on the head as far as what moms do on a daily basis to raise their kids. It's years and years of monotaneous, never-ending tasks and chores that start up each and every day. I know that intimately, as I have 7 children, ages 26 to age 8. It's enough to get to you, and I'm sure that it's gotten to the girls, especially now that they're in charge almost 100% while Michelle is in the hospital spending time with Josie.

Another thing to note, there is something about losing energy and stamina as one gets older and as one's responsibilities increase. Michelle is no different than any other human being in the regard that none of us are robots or made of steel. She IS most likely very, very tired and worn out; she wouldn't be human if she wasn't. Not only has she given birth to 19 children, but her youngest is still very sick and she's not just a preemie, the little baby obviously has some profound medical condition(s) that haven't been resolved yet. That alone would wear someone down (the worry, the stress) even if there weren't 18 other children around.

Then there's the added stress of always having to "be open to having more children" mantra. It's as if Jim Bob and Michelle have absolutely NO control over anything; everything just falls down from the sky and voila, you're pregnant! To me, it's some sort of rationalization to keep having more babies even though their household is falling apart due to the immense stress on everyone. I know that the older girls bear an enormous amount of responsibility and stress that comes with the territory of being the caregivers, but there is no doubt that the stress and pressure isn't being felt by all of the kids and manifesting differently for each child.

I'm not 100% sympathatic to Michelle or Jim Bob, my sympathy goes mostly to their children who have no say in this entire matter. They are all good soldiers and have learned to soldier on and do it for God (at least, what they've been told).

In the end, I think that JB and M got into this whole predicament when they were young and needed for someone to tell them what to do. This is where ATI/Bill Gothard came along and filled that void. He gave them a simple recipe for success (if you will). Do "this" and "that" will happen and on and on it goes. They say they have choices; I don't think they do. Of course, they're not going to say that they are confined to make only the choices that BG's curriculum allows as that would not make a good show for the mainstream audience that TLC sponsors want to reach. It's all about the money at this point; money for TLC. I know that the Duggars are getting compensated, but in all honesty, the price they are paying for what they are receiving back is minimal at best.

Bottom line to all of this is that the stress has to be at it's breaking point. For the love of all that is good, I hope that JB and Michelle are not pregnant with #20. I honestly believe that they have reached their tipping point where things could go downhill fast. This is no longer business as usual because little Josie is here now (with all that it encompasses). If they are waiting to hear from God or waiting to see a sign from God, I really do believe that it's here. Duggars, please open your eyes and ears to see and hear. Don't listen to BG; he is NOT God.

Ms. B said...

Can someone please explain to me why the posters (on any blog) who favor the Duggars get so upset when posters disagree with themsagree with them, but feel free to call me intolerant when I say that the Duggars are limiting their children's future opportunities by their lifestyle?
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As a Duggar supporter who does indeed get upset at negative comments I will be happy to explain. Sometimes when I read the negative comments, even though I LOVE the duggars, I have to think, "Well they have a point" or "that's just their opinion."
However, the majority of negative comments that I read are baseless, extreme, far-fetched, elitist, and with little factual support from what we've seem in the show and even less common sense. To me, these comments severely undercut this great family without any real purpose that I can see besides posters wanting to fulfill some sort of total unhappiness with their own lives. To me, this is unfair, especially when flat out lies, misstatements, misquotes, or assumptions are used in support of these claims (opinions). For me, its kind of like, why do you spend so much time commenting about a family you obviously hate?
I'm on this blog because I like the show and I like to search for news about this family and this is a great site to do it. Although I understand the purpose of a blog is to share opinions, some stuff I read just makes me upset because I truly like the family, therefore, I make comments in support of them, usually in contradiction of the majority of other posters.

No campaigning said...

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Anonymous said...

Josie can't be lactose intolerant and need enemas. What happened to her "free floating organs"? Did they pray them back to health and securely fastened against Josie's abdominal wall?

Dr. A. makes no sense to me. I wouldn't let him care for my cat, much less my child.

Celestie said...

Also curious, with Jana in SE Asia, how the new division of labor will fall since Jill seems to be the "mom" these days? I think more work than is right will be foisted on poor Joy. Someone has to cook (Jinger or Jessa) and someone else has to clean and do laundry (the other girl)

Didn't Michelle say somewhere, that Jana handles the office?

Celestie said...

Regarding the negative comments about the Duggars. As much as some fans want to psychoanalyze posters, I don't think they are actually reading or understanding what our/my Duggar objections are to this TV family. I personally am not a Duggar hater, just remarking on what I see. The Duggars have chosen to share their family on reality TV, for a price, to consumers. It is fair, as a consumer, and ultimate payer of their fees, to make comments. I don't comment on families, whose blogs I read from time to time. They aren't getting paid, so I am not a consumer of their lives.

I make Duggar comments on:
The limitations put upon the girls, by their parents' choices.
The lack of parenting of the children by the parents.
The behavior of the children toward the other children.
The limitations put on their education, or lack there of.
The narrowness of their visions for their children boys and girls.
The lack of basic safety and hygiene, I am not a nut on either of these issues, but there is a basic standard. Seat belts in vehicles and kitchen counters kept free of dirty shoes and bottoms.
Their abuse of the earth, disposable diapers, disposable plates, gas guzzling vehicles. In my view, each Duggar consumes much more than average American. If my family of 4 to 8 depending on who is around, goes on a vacation we can take one car or van. Their family takes a big multi passenger bus, a big truck, a big SUV. That is a lot of transportation for 19 to 20 people.
They have showed things on TV, that destroyed the dignity of someone who had no control. Such as the last days of Grandpa Duggar, or the fight for life of the baby. The oldest boy learing between his wife's legs as she gave birth to their child. They even showed Michelle in very serious condition, when her own life was threatened, but maybe she consented to that.
I'm not a fan of the patriarch system, but that is their choice, not mine. I feel free to comment on it, as they have put it on TV.
I also comment on their diet, because I am a nut on good nutrition.
I don't know how exactly to put this, but I think they have become less about sharing their way of life, and more about consumerism and "look at me." And I feel very free to comment on it.

I would be interested to know, what it is about the Duggars, that the rabid fans find so fascinating that they spend so much time tracking their every thought, blog, rumor, press release and gossip? Comments are often made that are so out of left field about them, that I wonder if we are watching the same show. Such as "we see them praying in every episode" (We seldom see them praying), or "they would offer to take the elderly in their golf cart." We have never seen them do anything to help the elderly. "After all, they go to San Salvador" as if that makes them the only family in the world that helps less privileged, it in no way demonstrates that they help anyone at home or anywhere else. "The kids are so smart." We don't know if they are smart, dumb or average.

We often read comparisons that are also just strange. "The girls dress modestly, unlike most girls." "They are very fiscally responsible, unlike Duggar haters, who probably have big credit card debts, big mortgages, and have too many belongings." Are the posters really referring to themselves when they make these comments? They sure aren't talking about me."

Is it possible the Duggar rabid fans are trying to heal something in their own lives by living through this reality TV family? And that is all it is, it is not my family or your family, it is a show biz family put out there for your entertainment. I will continue to be entertained on first run episodes, once a week in their season, and I will continue to comment. That does not make me a Duggar hater or lover, just a consumer and commentor of that which is reality TV.

Susan said...

Most babies are not diagnosed with lactose intolerance until they are weaned and start drinking regular milk. So Josie could still use her mom's breast milk.

Anonymous said...

In re Celestie's comments - you said something that particularly made me stop and re-read it: The Duggars are a show biz family.

And that's really the bottom line, when all is said and done. The parents willingly chose to sell their 'life' and that of their children for money. Instead of being on a vaudeville stage, as some show biz families of years ago might have done to earn a living, the Duggars put on a weekly show for viewers. Instead of tap dancing or singing, the family goes to local amusement parks or demonstrates homespun style by demonstrating how to make your own laundry detergent.

They play act at parenting; while the real parenting is done by teenage girls. They say they are firm believers against teenage sex or teenage mothers, yet they have turned their own teenage daughters into teen moms!

They give the boys so little direction or responsibility. The bulk of the work falls on to the shoulders of the females, except for the queen bee.

Because the Duggars aims and goals are not 100% the same as TLC's aims and goals, certain aspects of their real life are carefully kept out of the "reality" show, such as Michelle going to a planning commission meeting very shortly after the premature birth of Josie, to protect a mini mart liquor license. Nary a peep about that on the show.

Recently, I see that Michelle recorded a political phone message for a local candidate in Arkansas. Will that be aired on the show? I bet you it won't.

The Duggars extreme views are very carefully played down and the Duggars go along with this because of the great forum this show has given them, not to mention the money.

But it's all show biz folks. What you see is not what you get. It's costumes, happy faces, smoke and mirrors. Underneath, the only way the Duggars can have their lifestyle is by making their older girls do the work needed to make it all hang together. The Duggars playact a benign lifestyle that in reality is often quite the opposite. They pretend for money and for earthly fame and silly, meaningless awards.

I think it is entirely legitimate to comment on what is shown, and what is discovered about the Duggars through other sources (such as learning JM and Michelle took a week-end off shortly after Josie was readmitted to NICU to go to a planned conference in WI). I don't think it is legitimate to cite what we isn't shown (and thus is pure speculation) in order to defend what we do see and know for sure.

CynthiaSP said...

As another poster pointed out, their "buddy system" might have been just that earlier, but as more children were born, especially after having Josie.
I was kind of perplexed watching Michelle pump breast milk in the corner before going to the hospital to be with Josie while the little ones flung their breakfast at each other (fully dressed and combed, girls with bows and all) and then were shown riding their toys all over the house, bumping & falling onto everything in sight. Michelle then proceeded to leave, kissing the little ones goodbye, while the older girls remained to oversee everyone for the day, including supervising home schooling (one of the girls is actually now officially in charge of monitoring work and grades).
It is worrisome that the Duggar girls have essentially become the ladies of the house. Their parents have gone on & on about how dependable they are, which is great...families should be there for one another, both in good times and in bad, and yes, Josie's situation is definitely a crisis. These girls handle dressing, grooming, bathing the younger ones, plus schooling (has Michelle had time to school all those kids lately?), meals, laundry, grocery shopping and "the office" (bills, correspondence???)day in and day out, on top of having a film crew around. Do they have any time for their own schooling, having their own time other than family field trips that are age-appropriate for the younger ones where they are merely chaperones? How much time and attention are they given daily from their parents? With 17-18 at home and say, sleeping eight out of twenty-four hours a day, even without other obligations on their time (driving, eating, showering, filming, dressing, praying, etc.), each child would have a little more than one hour with both parents daily. Realistically, this time is probably much shorter when factoring in daily life, so do the older ones get the raw deal here?
What happens when Josie comes home? She will need an extraordinary amount of time and attention, not to mention being careful about colds & viruses, thus further keeping her apart from the younger ones, placing an even greater demand on dividing attention amongst the family appropriately.
I am trying to keep an open mind, but we are consistently being shown this routine as the norm. Also, it seems as if the kids are just expected to keep the family machine well-oiled as they get older instead of giving them their independence so they can grow and learn. All of those kids & not one has yet to attend any kind of additional schooling beyond their GED (yes, many are still young, but still)? If they have been taught properly & are so well-adjusted, why can't they even be trusted just to go to the mall without their "Nike" signal to make sure some passing individual doesn't mess up their hormones by showing too much skin? It seems they are afraid one of the kids will break the mold of what they deem "appropriate", so they keep them on a very tight rein. Just my thoughts here, but something seems amiss overall!

Nicole said...

Cousin Amy's latest Facebook update: "Amy Duggar the next bachelorette?? any comments??!"
Wow.

Anonymous said...

Re: Josie's other problems...I don't see where anyone said she no longer has these problems,it just seems to me they are trying really hard to make out like nothing is seriously wrong with her at this point.IOw,downplaying the whole situation.That makes me suspect no. 20 is on the way,or in the making,esp. combined with their canceled Today Show plans.

Anonymous said...

I've read the D's book,and what I get out of it is that they think the BG way of life is what has led them to their current fame and fortune.and in some ways,it certainly has.So I can't see them ever going against those teachings.IMO it seems they think it was Divine intervention that led them to where they are now,and that the money from the show is a blessing,not a hindrance to their lives..nevermind that the cameras and much of the fakery that goes along with filming a 'reality' show surely is.

Anonymous said...

In response to the milk intolerance: My three month old was unable to handle formula other than soy due to milk intolerance. Not a pleasant experience for a little baby to go through. 22 years later still has problems concerning milk. Can't imagine the pain that little one was being a sick little one. My otherwise healthy guy screamed for hours ever day and could barely stand to be touched. Will forever remember the day i actually could cradle my son in my arm s and he fell sleep.

Donna said...

So those of us who don't buy TLC's version of reality and the Duggars are now elitist? Call me (and others) any name you wish; if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. What I see when I watch the Duggars is trained robots who have been programmed and indoctrinated to think and speak "Duggarese". The statements that the kids as well as the parents make sound like zingers; little biting words that serve to prop them up (as well as their beliefs, values, etc.) and put others down. Oh, sure, it's subtle; you don't even have time to think about it because it's presented in their little country bumpkin, sacharine sweet voice, but it's an insult/a dig nevertheless. It's as if their way is superior to everyone else's. It's always the "we do things this way", "we believe this way" vs. "other people do things that way, believe that way", etc. How do they know what other people say and do? Because Bill Gothard told them? Because that's what their mentor teaches in his curriculum? It's the "us" vs. "them" (the world" theme. Hold the troops together by fighting a common enemy: the world. Funny how the evil, perceived "world" buys their books, their videos, and watches the show, yet, that same "world" is villified every chance possible in their subtle little ways. If anything's turned mf off of them, it is that. The other major thing is how the older girls do all the work in the house, including the job of being the mother. Okay, this is unbelievable in and of itself, but that's par for the course. We'll just call it "the buddy system" and make it palatable. Whatever. Like I already said: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. If this makes me or anyone else an "elitist" then long live the elitists!!! The world needs more of that - people who aren't afraid to call people on the truth, even if they're conservative Christian fundamentalists like the Duggars.

maynard said...

I agree this is a show biz family. I would really like to know how much money is paid to them and how. A year or so of "reality" tends to turn these families into something a little off putting for me. I am embarrased for them. Hope they stop. I follow the blog and peek. I breast fed 5 and never put the process on tv. I think so much of this is choice. What would happen if the Duggars decided to have no more babies, or if Michelle decided to bottle feed. Or a child moved out? This could all be happening now but of course not filmed cause not in the script. We must always remember that this is not the way it really is.

I Am An Elitist said...

Like CynthiaSP and Celestie, I feel totally free to comment on anyone who chooses to portray themselves and their children (!!) on tv. While I DON'T watch the show, I do read here and elsewhere, and comment on what I learn.
Being legitimately critical of someone or something does NOT automatically make one a "hater." That is the new label: anyone who voices an opinion not fully in favor ofsomething or someone is a "HATER." Or "Jellus" (see another family who won't be named) I am neither, and CERTAINLY wouldn't be "jellus" of such a family or lifestyle as the Duggars. Esp. of the DUggar daughters, for whom I feel extremely sorry.
As for being an "elitist": Well I suppose if you want to call being a female and actually being Educated, making my own decisions, AND holding down a job outside the home "elitist", then go for it. Oh, and I AM a mom too, of seven. I just don't need to KEEP having children to prove my worth to myself or anyone else. Unlike some, I recognize that having the baby is not even a sliver of my mothering JOB. And it IS a job.
If that sentiment makes me an elitist, then I wear the label proudly.

Steve knight said...

what I don't get is how people can love the duggers. no one really knows them unless they spend time in person with them. people want to think the duggers and most people on tv are real and they want to associate with them.

Anonymous said...

I've watched the Duggars off and on for the last year. Evidently I missed the episode(s) where they explained "Nike". What exactly is the meaning of the word, and when do they use it? Thanks for any insight anyone can give me about this. Also, I really like Cousin Amy - what a fun gal!! I am assuming, due to her choice of clothing, that she is not a member of the Duggar's church. Is she a member of a less conservative church? I'd like to know more about her!

Tie Your Camel said...

There's an Arabic saying that I always think of whenever I see the Duggars and think of the possibility of #20.... "Trust in God, but tie your camel."

Basically, yes, everything is up to God, but he gives us brains. You don't just leave your camel (or car or whatever) sitting there, and expect it not to wander off. If God has already blessed you with 19 kids, many of whom are still very young, then yes, you need to take care of those children's needs before contemplating more children.

I have such sadness for the youngest Duggars, who still very much need their Mom. Big Sisters are great--but they're not the same.

Judy said...

My comment is why do the Duggars constantly talk about all the energy the little ones that they have to burn off or get rid of or somehow free? I was watching their Going to the Zoo episode today for a bit and they must have talked about the "little ones' energy" three or four times at least.

Eyeball said...

One thing I noticed in one of the episodes is where one of the Duggar girls was doing school work and she said she was learning about the eyeball. The book mentions that part of the curriculum also. I'm wondering, is that the only "science" they learn about? As a science teacher I'm just wondering how much science are they actually learning? It bothers me if the eyeball is such a big part of their curriculum. Do they learn about the other organs and systems in the body?

Celestie said...

she said she was learning about the eyeball. The book mentions that part of the curriculum also.

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Not sure, but I think someone referenced that they learn very basic science, like the "parts" of the eyeball, but not how the eyeball or any other body part works.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars use the phrase "the little ones energy" to cover up the fact that their "little ones" behave like a bunch of wild animals. The perfect example being when the one young boy stomped on the other child's back.....I guess they have never been taught any other way to burn off their "energy".

Anonymous said...

I can use common sense as the previous poster told us to do.

Since we don't see everything they do, then I can be assured the younger Duggar children are hitting each other even more often than what is shown on tv, right?

Anonymous said...

I generally use common sense, and that's what I use when I watch the Duggars, listen to what they say, and examine the bits and pieces of their private lives that they put out for public consumption.

On the other hand, I don't presume facts not in evidence. In more recent episodes, we've seen very little of their homeschooling efforts. What we have been shown is woeful indeed. No Michelle or JimBob in the role of teacher. Children sitting in front of a computer, teaching themselves with no interaction from a teacher. A sister-mom holding up flashcards for two little girls who are bouncing on a mattress on a floor.

What I see is very little structure, and an extreme lack of parental involvement. That is what the Duggars show us - and common sense tells me that they want to put their best foot forward, so that's probably what happens on a good day. Goodness knows what's happening the rest of the time, with Ma Duggar checked out and basically taking early retirement from parenting and teaching.

Common sense tells me that those children run wild because they don't have a good structure in place, don't have good strong parental interaction and supervision, and are not going to get a halfway decent education.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do not see the Duggar kids acting like wild animals. If you watch young children play they will do things like stepping on each other's back and even worse. Children just do things like this and if they allow a camera in their home for hours at a time things like this will be filmed and of course TLC loves to get tongues going so they will play it for all to see so you can all make comments such as "they behave as if they were wild animals".

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Common sense tells me that throught the day children play and mess with each other. Just go on a play ground during recess and see what children do. Common sense tells me that TLC will choose the clips of the children messing with each so there is a conversation going on and on and a case to be made by many that this family is out of control. TLC obviously likes to put things out there that spark a conversation as common sense brings it to the surface that they are doing this for more ratings.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The hitting I see the Duggar children do is what I call "horseplay". Children do this all of the time. I do not condone it all at but it happens even between the best behaved children. I often tell the children to stop doing so as often it ends up with someone behing hurt. As much as adults do not like it children just do it. And they only did do it it once in a while and be caught on tape to be shown to the world to see to make it "appear" that is all that they do or that they are acting like wild animals are out of control.

I guess I'm a hata... said...

Two Duggar sightings during the last few days. Wednesday night in a Springfield, TN church (pics of Jill and Jinger can be found on the 19 Kids... facebook page) and today at a luncheon of some sort in Mufreesboro, TN. This poster noted "most" Duggars were there and that she missed Michelle and Josie.

I left a question as to whether Jessa and/or Joy stayed behind to help Michelle. Since it's known that TLC is taping all this for the August 10 VSE v.2, I personally don't think it would be much of a special if it was just Michelle alone with the baby and the rest of the season having to do with this TN trip.

I doubt TLC sprung for a camera crew to go with JD and Jana, but I'm sure we'll have plenty of Duggar cam clips of young adults who can't use chopsticks (Priscilla Keller, Anna's sister, blogged about it).

FWIW, I don't hate the Duggars, I hate how they and TLC are manipulating the show (particularly before Josie) as shiny, happy mainstream Christians. Jim Bob has even claimed the boy's ALERT program comparable to Boy Scouts, which is a crock. I do not like the misrepresentation; if he wanted his boys in Scouting, he would have put them in Scouting. If critical thinking makes me "elitist" and a "jellus hater," so be it.

Celestie said...

Common sense tells me that those children run wild because they don't have a good structure in place, don't have good strong parental interaction and supervision,


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The herd probably does not have normal ways to burn off energy. They are confined to the front of computer for several hours a day, according to what Michelle has written, and we have seen. Then there is praying time or climbing all over the kitchen counter time, or stomping on sisters time. As far as I have been able to observe there is very little constructive outdoor play, very little sports activities, and no free outdoor running around time. No time just being little boys (and girls). They are not confined to an apartment, they have outdoor space. They are taken to a park and then they have to line up and sing. These kids need to play outdoors everyday, and play hard if they want to use up some of their energy.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned reading the blog of the mom that Michelle prayed w/ at Arkansas Children's-do you have a link for that? I'd love to read it.

Not True said...

I'm sorry but it not NOT 'Normal" for kids to jump on one another's back (as one of the examples put out by SuzanneAZ). I have seven kids and they do NOT jump on each other's backs. That can cause damage,btw. ANd the other things I read that the D kids - routinely -- do (since I do not watch the show nor will I), well they do not sound "normal" to me. It in fact sounds like there are safety issues in that home and out of it, and if they , or others, want to delude themselves that it is "just getting out energy" well fine but that is letting the unacceptable behavior continue bc it is excused and ignored. If such things , for example, were to be going on at a preschool or even an elementary school between children, it would be stopped immediately. Does that make the schools "not" normal? THey stop this behavior precisely bc it is dangerous, hurtful, and wild.

nana of 6 said...

Can't believe LI would cause an intestinal blockage and if LI was the problem, how common would it be for a baby to be allergic to mom's milk? My daughter-in-law stopped eating dairy for a month and baby's problems cleared up. (just a rash on the face)

Anonymous said...

No, children who are properly supervised and who are taught from a very early age, do not step on their siblings' backs, do not throw their baby sister into a wagon, and do not otherwise act like little hooligans.

It is a cop out to say "oh, that's just children being children" or "they have so much energy, it's just bound to happen." Children have boundless energy, but they are also to be closely supervised to make sure they don't hurt themselves or others.

As parents, it is our responsibility to keep an eye on our children and if they behave in appropriately, we step in, stop that behavior, punish if necessary, and make sure it doesn't happen over and over again.

I grew up with 7 siblings and from a very early age, we were taught that hitting was not allowed, nor screaming at each other, nor even telling a brother or sister to "shut up." Rules were clear and rules were enforced, by our adult parents. Once we began school, we already knew how to behave around others.

I believe Mr. and Mrs. Duggar paid much more attention to their first group of children, and if you watch the very first special, you can see quite a remarkable difference in how the then young ones behaved. At that time, Michelle seemed much more involved in being a mother and raising the children under her close supervision. But already by that point, much of the daily household chores were already delegated to the older girls and to a much lesser extent, to the older boys.

While I still felt it was a bit much work to give the children, I also understood that with the great number of children, organization of this type was understandable. Michelle was still shown as actually teaching the children on a daily basis, overseeing the chores and interacting with the children.

I believe that two things have primarily changed this: the success of the show, turning it from a once a year special into a weekly show; and JB and Michelle's desire to have as many children as possible. With the advent of a weekly show, more money, more encouragement to "mainstream" their looks and behaviors to appeal to a wider audience, and a growth in ego on both parents' parts.

With more and more babies, and Michelle being an older mom, she and JB talked themselves into believing it was perfectly fine to hand off babies to teenage girls to raise, parent, and teach.

The results are obvious. I don't blame the teenage sister-moms for the fact that their charges are unruly and lack manners. I blame the parents for handing off their responsibilities, and then pretending that their children are somehow better off being raised by surrogate teenage parents.

Anonymous said...

BTW, as a mom who has spent time throughout the years at my childrens' preschool, elementary school, and most recently middle school - I can tell you that while children are loud and rambunctious during recess, they are also supervised and if they were to engage in pushing, shoving, hitting, kicking or stepping on another student - that behavior would be stopped and they'd receive a warning note that would go home to their parents that day.

In class, they are expected to treat their fellow students respectfully, as well as the classrooom furniture, books and supplies. Sure, there are a few children who have behavioral problems and always seem to be sent to the principal. But that's perhaps one out of class of 20. It is NOT the norm, nor is it in any way considered acceptable.

This sort of behavior is nipped in the bud through close supervision at the youngest of age, when the child is more likely to have poor impulse control. In a preschool setting, there is a smaller ratio of adult to children. As soon as a problem appears to be developing, in springs a teacher or aide to interrupt the behavior and gently correct it.

In a grade school setting, kindergarten is the time when all students are learning that certain behaviors are not allowed at school and will result in a trip to the principal's office.

In any event, I dispute that rough horseplay is allowed on school playgrounds. It certainly was not allowed in any of the schools my children have attended. Nor has it ever been allowed in our home.

Burning off energy is extremely important and we take it outside to play sports, ride bikes, take a hike, etc. Inside the home, counters are not for climbing on, siblings are to be treated respectfully, and running screeching through the house will get you five laps AROUND the perimeter of the house in a flash. Trust me, it's a truly rare occurrence.

Then again, I am personally raising my children and I haven't handed off that responsibility to teenagers.

RandiWarhol said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...
Just because they mentioned what they were learning at that time does not mean they are not learning other things. I am familiar with some of the curriculum they use as and the science curriculum is quite extensive. No science curriculum for a high school level just teachers parts of an eyeball. Remember we only get bits of pieces on the show of what they are learning. Use common sense.

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I doubt highly that they are getting the best science education possible. Do they have labs? Supplies to carry out an experiment? Chemicals, crucibles, bunsen burners, gram scales? Where is all of that stuff?! You can only gain so much from what you are exposed to on a educational computer program. I bet if a Duggar walked into a college science lab, he/she would be utterly clueless.

Field trips with the whole family to the Creation Museum aren't going to cut it for me.

And what about art class? I always wondered about any art curriculum. Coloring books and making posters for the house? Maybe they shield their kids from fine art- too many Nike moments with naked sculptures and figures.

I see uneducated chaos said...

Learning about the eyeball would be a miraculous amount of Science for those kids. I doubt they are learning much of anything, because teaching oneself is highly INeffective, except for the most highly gifted.

Considering that Michelle knows very little, so she imparted very little knowledge to her older daughters, who are then responsible for "educating" the buddies, who then, most frighteningly, will be responsible for teaching THEIR buddies (with whatever they are learning or not from the computer, which is mostly games and photoshop), it is a giant house of increasingly uneducated lemmings.

Those kids are good at chaos and rambunctiousness though. That is their best talent.

jonandkatewho? said...

Can't believe LI would cause an intestinal blockage and if LI was the problem, how common would it be for a baby to be allergic to mom's milk? My daughter-in-law stopped eating dairy for a month and baby's problems cleared up. (just a rash on the face)

6/06/2010 6:29 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, children who are properly supervised and who are taught from a very early age, do not step on their siblings' backs, do not throw their baby sister into a wagon, and do not otherwise act like little hooligans....SNIPPED

I totally agree with your post, and I can't say it better so I won't even try.

These kids are doing dangerous things that shouldn't happen when kids are properly observed and tended to by adult parents.

There is no excuse for this behavior, none at all. Period.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are definitely not well behaved. It is not normal to harm one's siblings and crawl across tables and countertops and scream like banshees in the house.
This kind of behavior would never be allowed in a school as a previous poster said. Maybe the Duggars should send the kids to school so they not only get an academic education but also learn manners and respect for others since they are getting none of the above from their real parents or their pseudo teen parents.
I raised five kids and never did they behave in that sort of manner.

nana of 6 said...

I am not a Christian at all. I am an Atheist but watched this show initially because it was interesting to me to see how they managed finacially with a large family. Yes, their religious philosophy isn't my cup of tea but I have learned some valuable things about practical living.
My oldest daughter was adopted from Calcutta, India. She had been born 10 weeks early and came hoe to us at the age of 12 weeks weighing 8 pounds.
In India there were no incubators or repirators, just sunshine through the windows and 2 caregivers per infant. All of the babies were premature as they had been the product of an induced labor when the birth mother felt she could no longer conceal her pregnancy.
We knew lots of adoptive parents with preemie infants who had issues. Indeed, ALL of them had a little something, baggage left over from what was essentially an abortion.
My daughter was hypertonic (unusually tense in her muscles) as a little one. Her speech wasn't clear as soon as the other kids her age. She had some minor learning disabilities. We were the lucky ones.
One little girl we knew was born larger that Josie. She was blind from detached retinas. She had severe Cerebral Palsy. These issues didn't show up for quite awhile.
If Josie has the type of problems that are common for extreme preemies, I feel compassion for the "buddy" who will have to abandon life as a normal teenager to be surrogate mommy to her sister.

BTW, my daughter is now 27 and mother to my amazing 7 month-old granddaughter, Chloe.

Nimby said...

It's a good thing that the Duggar children are homeschooled, because their "horseplay" that is "normal" (not my description) would never be tolerated at any public school that I know of.

If the Duggar children attended my child's school, I'd fear for my child's safety.

Anonymous said...

So, Daddy Josh wanted Mackenzie to get pierced ears????

Seems kinda kinky by Duggars standards, Joshie.

Anonymous said...

I received an automated call from Michelle on Friday. She was endorsing the US Congressional canditate Cecile Bledsoe. I know you will be surprised to know Cecile is a right to life candidate.

Anonymous said...

I'm getting the impression that the kids are only studying about the eyeball with their homeschooling from what I'm reading. I have an idea for next season. If a school day is 8 hours, why don't they have their season premiere as the first 30 minutes of their homeschooling day and do that for each 30 minute episode until the day is done. That's 16 episodes so we can see what a whole Duggar homeschooling day is like. be any complaints then.

Anonymous said...

per the Old Testament,(which BG dictates following),things like piercings and tattoos are not allowed.So it looks lke J and A are breaking the mold.

Anonymous said...

It's weird that JB and M state that the reason they got involved with ATI is because of people they'd met who's children were so well-mannered and behaved.And yet many of the kids for some time now have appeared to be lacking manners and proper behavior.

Anonymous said...

I would imagine they study more than just the eye.But as much as m tires to make it all sound so great on their website...saying they study law,medicine..etc...from what I understand,it's not very detailed nor overall,educational.

Anonymous said...

Along with others here, I just wanted to chime in and say that I feel free to comment about the Duggars as well. After all, this is a choice for them: their weekly show, their appearances on the Today Show, their frequent features in People Magazine - if all of us didn't have an opinion about them one way or the other, they wouldn't have a "fan" base (whether positive or negative). They obviously are asking for the attention, because it's how they make money from being public figures.
All of that has been said before, but what I wanted to contribute is that not only do I feel free to comment on the family because of their public life but also because they don't hesitate to comment about the rest of us. Their whole claim to fame is based on the premise that they are so "different" from most others - if not, there'd be no reason to have a show. So, of course they have made countless comments on our lifestyles (debt, dancing, dating, teen girls in the mall, teen girls at school dressing the same, green hair, etc.), so I feel entirely justified in commenting on their lifestyle as well.

roddma said...

First of all disagreement isn't hate bullying,or jealousy. The poster is right who said hate now means when you disagree with a lifestyle.I dont base my comments on assumptions. I have read up on the Duggar beliefs and learned quite a bit. I do try to see both sides. What irks me is when supporters use their pasts or the evils of the world to justify the Duggar's way of life and the demonizing of smaller families. Children hitting on each other is unexcuseable.

To the one who asked about Nike,Nike is the word the Duggar girls say when they see an indecently dressed person.

Anonymous said...

There are many different types of lactose intolerance that have different causes, durations, and treatments.

1. Primary Lactase deficiency
3. Secondary Lactase deficiency
3. Developmental (Neonatal) Lactase Deficency
4 Congenital Lactase Deficency

I can see how Josie might not have been diagnosed until later in her NICU stay. Her LI might have been masked by her other "plumbing problems" or caused later by her "plumbing Problems".

Jen said...

"per the Old Testament,(which BG dictates following),things like piercings and tattoos are not allowed.So it looks like J and A are breaking the mold."

If that is the case then Jana is breaking the mold too.

In the ear piercing web episode she was wearing dangling earrings she is also pictured wearing dangling earrings on the mission trip website (some of the other girls on the trip are wearing earrings too)

Anonymous said...

"I received an automated call from Michelle on Friday. She was endorsing the US Congressional canditate Cecile Bledsoe. I know you will be surprised to know Cecile is a right to life candidate."

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This plus M. Duggar petitioning against liquor sales are but two examples of why some refuse to watch/support the Duggars. Ugh.

I wish Duggars and their ilk would enjoy their freedom to practice life and religion as they see fit (they are free to abstain from alcohol, dancing, premarital kissing, abortion, birth control, public school - no one is bothering them about their unusual lifestyle choice)and leave it at that. The fact that they show no respect for the belief systems of others, including alcohol and family size limits surely does not 'encourage', but, instead, is extremely off putting.

It seems they want others to assume a 'live and let live' when it comes to Duggar beliefs, yet they are unwilling to do same in return.

Their continuing quest to thwart the rights of others is just wrong. This along with their churning out no less than 19 kids who are poorly educated with such an incredible lack of training and preparation for real life are the two biggest reasons I have zero respect for the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

>So, of course they have made countless comments on our lifestyles (debt, dancing, dating, teen girls in the mall, teen girls at school dressing the same, green hair, etc.), so I feel entirely justified in commenting on their lifestyle as well.

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me too,esp. when JB makes those absurd comments about how,unlike most other ppl, they'd rather have more kids than debt.he's clearly drawing a line in the sane between them and the rest of the world,whom he appears to take as being of lesser value and quality than themselves.
it reminds me of when they did the Noah's ark play.JB was so adamant when he talked about Noah,and how there was only one family,ONE FAMILY (I believe he said it twice),that God considered good enough to board the ark.I got it.IMo he thought HIS family would have been it,were they alive during that era.

Anonymous said...

>To the one who asked about Nike,Nike is the word the Duggar girls say when they see an indecently dressed person.

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yes,and per their own judgment,I might add.they are ppl out there who dress even more modestly than the D's.

Tammy C said...

The Duggars are friends and followers of Doug Phillips-Vision Forum.The ladies in that family wear earrings so that is probably why the Duggars are chaning the way they dress.

NOT Encouraged said...

EXCELLENT point about JBD envisioning himself as a Noah. He, The Patriarch, who has molded and led THE ONLY FAMILY to the ark. HE, the leader of the only family worthy of being saved.

IMO, the man has a whole lotta ego over a whole lotta nothin'. Let's be honest here, he and Michelle are not the brightest bulbs in the box. They are not sending 19 world leaders into the world. In fact, the Duggar parents have done everything in their power to keep their offsrping unquestioningly obedient sheep. Nice as a biblical analogy, but not great in the real world where every person's maximum potential is truly needed to make this world a better place.

Jim Bob needs to do a reality check. And then he needs to check his ego at the church door.

Further, contrary to all his 'other people do.... (fill in the blank), but WE... (always thought to be morally superior) makes me want to point out to him the sin of pride.

Anonymous said...

The Maxwell family makes the Duggars look like NIKE! The Maxwells all wear matching floor length floral jumpers, even the 27 or 28 year old daughter, still living at home (along with her 30 year old brother).

Honestly, the Duggar girls show knees and toes and cleavage and wear tight shirts. I think the Maxwells would disapprove and probably shout NIKE so none of their boys would be defrauded.

Steve knight said...

Jimbob and Michelle with though time could fill the arc all by themselves. Maybe that what he was referring too.

I once was lost . . . said...

I have come to dislike this family, and given my Bible-belt front-row-Baptist upbringing, find it - myself - very hard to believe.

This has gone so beyond "every child is a gift" to "every child is a bit more money from TLC".

And if I see just ONE MORE MOM OF THE YEAR AWARD TO MICHELLE (?) ... I just may totally lose it!

Poor little Josie is paying the price for her parents' stupidity and big-time.

roddma said...

"The Maxwell family makes the Duggars look like NIKE! The Maxwells all wear matching floor length floral jumpers, even the 27 or 28 year old daughter, still living at home (along with her 30 year old brother). "
Yes but what would happen if you placed them on TV? The Duggars wore the same type dresses in the early specials. I couldnt imagine being at home near 30. It is funny how the parents teach about marriage and family but yet have 30ish year old kids at home.

Sarah J said...

Hello, I've been reading the blog for a good nine months now and am finally posting some thoughts ...

I know the Duggars/Bates don't want their children to be tempted to change their beliefs and therefore probably don’t push the public college route but they should know that the drinking, drugs and other bad things in public colleges are only there if you want them to be.
I don’t know how many times I’ve been asked if I drink or if I wanted to go to a party and I’ve told people no and 100% of the time whoever asked backed off and sometimes even said that they respected me for not drinking. If the Duggars/Bates want to be good Christian examples then why not allow their teens minister to those that are their own age?

I had to laugh in my college Psychology class today because the guy in front of me who wears Christian t-shirts everyday and wears a purity ring has green streaks in his hair. As much as I enjoy the Bates family they probably shouldn't sterotype people.

Something bothered me when I saw the episode there Jill got to hold Josie for the first time she mentioned to the camera that "she's our baby" (or similiar words). I thought maybe she meant that it's their family's baby but it sounded like she was alomost already claiming Josie for her and her sisters.

Quick question: Does anyone know why they painted what seems like every room in their house that tan color? Is it part of their religion or did JB get a discount for buying in bulk?

Don't Like, Change Channel said...

Most of the Duggars are filming a Christian movie this week in Georgia. I guess it's good Jim Bob takes the other kids out and leaves Michelle at home with Josie. Less chance for Josie to catch germs.

Cyn said...

Michelle has gotten (or will have gotten after the even in TX) 2 mother of the year awards both from fairly small organizations...

So much stress over religious organizations giving an award to some one they personally think is living out the walk the Duggars and the organizations espouse.

msrylee said...

IMO, all the Duggar blessings are paying a heavy price for the choices JB and M have made. The younger ones are totally out of control, and their surrogate teen-moms are NOT responsible for that. Josie is being show-cased as the latest trophy for the Mother of the Year. The oldest blessings are lacking in the scope of their education, their post-secondary educations and their roles as "teen-mommies" is just inexcusable. If M is "expecting" again, Josie will indeed be handed over to the older girls for her care. Just MHO.

Jen said...

"Honestly, the Duggar girls show knees and toes and cleavage and wear tight shirts."

When have the Duggar girls shown knees and cleavage?

Anonymous said...

Thank you to whomever brought up the Maxwell family. Here is their website:
http://www.titus2.com/about.htm

Is this really reflective of the goals the Gothard cult has set for its members?
I don't even know what to say...

Anonymous said...

Are the Maxwells the family that played the bluegrass music @ the Bates' house on the epi where they were updating the remodel?

Steve knight said...

here is some knee or pretty close
http://danielandlyndsie.blogspot.com/

Willow #1 said...

I do not remember ever seeing cleavage on any Duggar (not even Amy). Maybe I missed it. Toes, yes, and ankles maybe. MAYBE even an occasional tight shirt. But cleavage - I don't think so.

Anonymous said...

Steve knight said...
here is some knee or pretty close
http://danielandlyndsie.blogspot.com/

6/09/2010 10:19 AM


That's hilarious! On this blog, a girl is all excited about meeting the Duggars and took a bunch of pictures of them. Scroll down through the pictures. It is some sort of race, and JB is standing there holding a big stack of his
"20 and Counting" books. What did he do, run the race and stop to sell books along the way? No, this man is not out for self-promotion at all!!
The more I see of these people the funnier/more pathetic it gets.

Kitten said...

It appears from the pictures of the Malaysia trip that JD and Jana did not participate in the "swimming with the elephants" excursion. Wonder if this is because of the wet t-shirts? LOL... Also noticed that several of the girls were wearing pants for this, which made sense, but may have been too "Nike" for the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

I don't have a problem with any organization making up some silly Mother of the Year award to give to Michelle Duggar. What I have a real problem with is that Michelle Duggar is going to cart her preemie daughter to Texas in about a month to accept this cheesy award, because she loves the limelight more than she loves that baby and doing what would be right for that baby.

To me, that is the opposite of what a mother of the year would do. A mother who truly put her child first would tell that organization that she is honored they have chosen her as the award recipient, and that she is sure they will understand why she can't attend personally to accept (because she is going to stay home and take proper care of this newly released preemie baby rather than risk any medical problems by taking her along on a bumpy bus ride from Arkansas to Texas in the summer heat, and then exposing her to goodness knows how many strangers' germs). Then that same mother would suggest that perhaps her husband could still attend the ceremony, along with one or two of the children, and accept on her behalf.

That's what a real mother would do, or at least one that actually puts her children before her own vanity.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else think that Anna looks pregnant again in the picture on that blog?

Jen said...

"here is some knee or pretty close
http://danielandlyndsie.blogspot.com/"

Jill's dress was pretty short there.
I thought the girls use to wear legging/capri's under there dress to keep the knees covered?

The boys where also wearing shorts is that something new?

Jen said...

I had a thought about the boys in shorts ( and maybe Jill's dress) at
http://danielandlyndsie.blogspot.com/

Were these their "costumes" as extras in the film they will be in?

The blog writer says she and her husband were in the film and she was about to met the Duggars.

http://www.mysouthwestga.com/news/story.aspx?id=467816

My Three Sons said...

http://danielandlyndsie.blogspot.com/

At least they were wearing more appropriate clothing for running a marathon. It looks like Josh and JB are in warm-up pants and the little guys are actually wearing shorts. McKynsie also is minus the requiste headband w/bow or flower and-NIKE!!-her legs are bare.

Celestie said...

http://danielandlyndsie.blogspot.com/


I think the knee shot is not a Duggar. The Duggar girl has a skirt just to the bottom of her knee, which makes more sense to run in, than a tree trunk tight skirt.

Anonymous said...

On Doug Phillips' Vision Forum blog, there is a video interview of Michelle by Beall Phillips where it is inferred that Josie will not be traveling with the family when Michelle receives her award.
visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/
While I am glad that she won't be exposed to even more germs etc. by traveling, I have to wonder who will stay at home with her?? I would think, considering the close call she had last time she was home, that Michelle and Jim Bob would be reluctant to leave her in the hands of a sibling or even her grandmother!
Also, why can't any of these awards be given to Michelle at home and taped?? That would make it much easier on the family...

Anonymous said...

The girl showing her knees is the one who is blogging, not a Duggar.
Can someone post the link to the JD and Jana mission trip?
I can't find it.
Thanks!

Anonymous said...

If you look at the pics from the race, one of the Duggar girls (pictured with Anna's sister)vis wearing a yellow tee shirt that reveals some...shapes underneath. Anna doesn't look preggers to me, just like she has hips and belly left from the first pregnancy.

Anonymous said...

See what Josh said: "Unlike a lot of other movie sets, you see a ton of volunteers here. You see a ton of people that are really dedicated to a cause versus just to make money. So it really is awesome to see that.”
The Ds are nice people, but when they say things like this they sound as if they think they are better than the rest. Volunteering to be an extra in any movie is not showing "dedication to a cause". I am guessing most people do it so that they can be on camera - and perhaps that shows "vanity". But perhaps lots of people do it just for fun and there's nothing wrong with that. But why did Smuggar use this as an opportunity to have a dig and he's the LAST person who should be pointing the finger at people who are "dedicated ... to just make money". Go back to your car lot, Josh, and show us that you are willing and able to do an honest day's work. We just see you riding the TLC gravy train. And your Dad was there flogging his books - seems like he was there to "make money" and promote his product.

Annonymously Yours said...

Re: people questioning M. Duggars' "Mother of the Year" award(s): The point is that not everyone considers the Duggar 'walk' all that morally superior, in fact, some see their 'walk' as being very short of an ethical standard.

re: JBD's standing with a stack of his books while on the mission trip: seems reminiscent of Kate Gosselin's 'mission' trip to St. Jude Hospital, where her 'gift' was DVD's of her own show.

I've come to the sad conclusion that those who allow TV viewers to peep into their personal lives tend to be the same basic personality type. One with lots of ego.

K8G's brand is mom of multiples. The Duggar brand is religion and unbridled procreation.

Take away the carefully crafted brand, and what's left are people with a huge ego coupled with an unncannily poor sense of appropriate boundary setting.

Kitten said...

Re: the boys wearing shorts (albeit to the tops of their knees) for the 5K run in GA...
Were these their "costumes" as extras in the film they will be in?

So, if they wore something that would not normally be allowed, for the sole purpose of making a movie, wouldn't that be... oh, I don't know... HYPOCRITICAL???

Danielle said...

The blog is here:
http://thechroniclesofci.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

And about Josh's comment about people being there as extras in the movie to support a good cause rather than to make money: That might be true for all the other extras, but not for the Duggars. The TLC crew were there filming them, so they were really there making money.

Anonymous said...

In that blog, Jill Duggar is wearing a knee length denim skirt (very short for her) and a skin huggin' yellow top.

Jim Bob is such a stinking hypocrite that he will allow his children to wear shorts when he is being paid to do so (for the movie), but otherwise, his family is just oh sooooo modest. Just like Michelle makes a big stink about her "mommyskin neck" but then shows her births on tv, including her open stomach.

Get this family off the air. They are an embarrassment. My only hope is that Jana gets out before she is an old spinster of 30 still living at home like the Maxwell girl (normal unmarried 30 year olds are not spinsters, but these Gothardites, who still go everywhere with their families and have no lives of their own sure are).

Cyn said...

So, if they wore something that would not normally be allowed, for the sole purpose of making a movie, wouldn't that be... oh, I don't know... HYPOCRITICAL???


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They dress up in robes and beards for the yearly Christmas Pageants, and parades.

They wear different costumes when playing pretend (bee costume, and I've seen the boys in frilly aprons when playing house with the younger girls)...

Why does dressing up for a role in a movie make it some how different?

Cyn said...

After finally getting my browser to work (it's had glitches for weeks which is why I wasn't commenting) I got to see the pictures....

In the race photo's.... Frankly JimBob looks more pregnant that Anna does....IMO

Anonymous said...

Missed your comments, Cyn. Glad you're back.

Anonymous said...

Why does dressing up for a role in a movie make it some how different?

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Because strict standards of modesty do not change whether in a movie, play, whatever. Wearing a long, covering robe or an apron is hardly comparable to exposing skin which is considered forbidden. Of course, they do allow those "modest" swimsuits, but that is a special circumstance with swimming not regular clothing. Maybe, as with much of their lives, the standards for the boys are different than the girls.

Although, to respond to an earlier comment, I think Jill will be extremely appalled if she sees that picture of herself. I imagine that she was unaware. Summer shirts and other garments can be so clingy, especially in humid weather.

I don't think Anna looks pregnant, she and Josh just both look thick. Her face doesn't really have that "look" but I wouldn't be surprised to hear if she is in the early stages.

mythoughtis said...

actually there are two videos of Michelle on that website, the interview with Ms. Phillips, and a second recorded messsge from Micehlle. In that message, she introduces herself and Josie and says.... "WE will be attending the conference"... she is definitely implying that she and Josie are the we, no other Duggar names are mentioned or referred to.

Anonymously Yours said...

"Why does dressing up for a role in a movie make it some how different?"

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Does the same logic hold for when actors REMOVE clothing for a movie 'because the role required it'?

Cyn said...

The verse JimBob refers to most of the time when discussing their 'dress code' he mis-quotes but it talks about "showing the thigh is as nakedness"

Unless the boys where in short shorts, or the girls in mini skirts and dresses it's still in their dress code.... It's why their modesty swimsuits qualify they still cover the thigh....

And frankly in GA right now the humidity is NASTY and is only going to get worse (I'm North of them just kissing Atlanta, and yes LOL if I had the gas money I'd be driving down to Albany right now just to meet them as the other blog poster has.)


I was more worried about them running in sweats than being in shorts; that could kill them with heat stroke faster than anything else.

Having never been in Arkansas (summer or winter) is the heat dryer out there?

Iliketheduggars said...

"Is it possible the Duggar rabid fans are trying to heal something in their own lives by living through this reality TV family?"

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I certainly hope the implication is not that the "fans" (all three of us, lol) on this forum are "rabid."

The vast majority of our support (often called "tolerance" or "acceptance" when being used to refer to more liberal lifestyles) has been delivered calmly and rationally, without undue adoration or vicarious living through a reality TV family, and often with minor Duggar critiques of our own. Hardly "rabid."

I do get tired of the assumption that I am uneducated or stupid or unhappy or some wide-eyed reality show fanatic simply because I don't DISlike the Duggars. Maybe I've just been exposed to darker sides of the world than most posters, in both liberal and militarily conservative families, but I've just seen no reason to hate (and yes, it is disintegrating into hate) the family just because they have made choices I wouldn't necessarily make (like filming a reality show)... just as I don't hate the family that adopted dozens of disabled children, or the lesbians who had multiple sets of twins.

The parents are loving and have a plan for raising their family. The kids, from all actual and legitimate reports inside AND outside the Duggar "compound", are happy and healthy and able to function in the real world. So call me "rabid," but that's all I need to be happy for them... I don't feel the need to make any further negative assumptions to make myself feel better about my different lifestyle and choices.

Jen said...

If the outfits were costumes then that might explain why they were different then normal, something we don't typically see them in. It might also explain why the outfits technically stick to their modestly rules (covering thighs) but push the limits. They wouldn't be the first actors/actresses to she themselves after and think "What was I thinking allowing myself to wear that."

Kitten said...

Wearing the shorts is different from "dressing up" in robes or aprons over your regular clothes, because JB has explicitly said the boys don't wear shorts for modesty purposes, even the "long" ones they were photographed in. That means that he set aside his principles for the sake of making a film.

Frankly, I was HAPPY to see the younger boys wearing those shorts, because I've often thought making them wear jeans in an Arkansas summer borders on abuse. I was appalled when they ran (or tried to run) that race in Arkansas wearing jeans and leather shoes. I hope they get to keep and wear these outfits again.

But my feelings don't change the fact that JB allowed something he would not normally allow because it was for a movie. That's hypocritical, in my book. Would he have allowed his girls to wear those long shorts if it had been a father-daughter race?

Anonymous said...

Why is it JimBob mis-quotes nearly every bible verse that comes out of his mouth? Could it be that he's trying to manipulate the words to fit his own way of doing things?

Anon 3:14 said...

If Michelle had not just had a baby, would she still get Mother of the Year Award?
That is to say, if her youngest child were 6 or 7 years old, would she still get the award?

Of course not ! This award is all about birthin' till you fall over! Then the REAL mothering takes place, from the older sister moms who do the real work of being a mother to those children.

Michelle isn't any different than a woman who is a surrogate for money....only in Michelle's case, the money comes from TLC who pays her handsomely for putting her "motherhood" out there for public consumption.

I recall the episode with the faux waterslide when JimBob makes the "we're expecting again" announcement. You can hear the producer's (?) voice saying, "You really know how to keep the series going, JimBob !". Truer words were never spoken. Create another child so you can have another season on TLC.

Anonymous said...

There was an earlier post this month about Michelle Duggar making a political endorsement via a telephone message for an Arkansas candidate for Congress (Cecile Bledsoe).

Michelle's candidate lost the race, so I hope Michelle won't be taking any more time away from Josie for political endorsements.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else pine for the simpler days of Tater Tot casserole, school work at the dining room table, and the red neck slip-and-slide? I find myself re-watching past episodes of 17 and 18 and Counting, wanting to hang on to the fun and frolic of hanging out with the Duggars when things weren't so complicated ...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The only thing I find complicated is people making big deals out of everything they do. The shows are not complicated at all, it is the reviews of the shows that are complicated.

Maybe the fact that they now have a micro premee to care for their life had been complicated but that is life and I think they are dealing with life and what is dealty to them A-OK.

Anon 3:14 said...

I watched the re-run recently of the Josh Gets Engaged episode.

The Duggars go out the door to say goodbye to Josh as he's getting in the car for the drive to the airport.

And there's that "side-hug" again between JimBob and his eldest son, Josh.

I just don't understand it. It's a sad, sad day when a dad can't give his son a geat big ole' bear-hug.

Suzie said...

Duggars apparently filming another filler episode. Spotted yesterday touring the Chick-fil-A headquarters in the ATL.

http://viewhawk.blogspot.com/2010/06/duggar-day.html

Jessa and Joy are now accounted for, but Jill isn't in the picture. I think it's possible that the girls are taking shifts back in LR and Jill flew back, replacing Joy and Jessa, who weren't seen in earlier pictures from the latest trip.

I also have to weigh in on the film shoot. JB totally sold out. Obviously the Duggars sold "Fireproof" and since it made something like $33 mil. for the Kendricks. It's a quid pro quo, plain and simple. The boys wearing shorts when JB so vehemently rejected the idea on an episode in which they ran in a race only serves to show how fast the sell out has occurred. If they're not being paid, JB could have easily said their value system doesn't allow boys in shorts (cargo shorts are no shorter than Jill's skirt In that society, you'd think the GIRLS would wear the ankle skirts so as not to defraud since the main premise in their lifestyle is guys can't control themselves to the points where they have to side hug their own mothers lest they be defrauded.

The solution? Why couldn't JB kept his attention whore mentality for one second and asked for the family to be put on the finish line of the race since the story apparently has a component about primary character (I'm guessing a married 30/40-something) working out problems with his son and one "saves" the other. Why can't the Duggars be cheering this on, not quite at the finish line because that would distract from the plot, but something like water stations, or just encouragement, since that seems to be the end goal of finishing a race, would not compromise principles and force me to write this post in the first place.

Not jealous, hating or elitist. Just looking at a situation that could have been handled better and not lead to "they were acting!" arguments. These days, I think most of them (save Jana, JD, Jill and possibly Joseph) are already actors and the younger ones are camera savvy. What happens to them when the cameras go away?

Anon 3:14 said...

It is the Duggars themselves that make a big deal out of everything they do.

Even something as simple as shoe-shopping has to be followed up with a bragging Josiah in the interview chair afterwards......"OTHER families go to the MALL for new shoes, but OUR FAMILY goes to the THRIFT STORE!"

In the episode where they are at the Biltmore and the Duggars are behind the roped-off dining-room table....of course JimBob has to say, "Can WE stand around the table?", putting the tour-guide on the spot where she has to politely decline. (I guess JimBob doesn't grasp that the Duggars are not different from any other guest at the Biltmore).

Seems to me the Duggars really play-up their "reality tv star status" and make a big deal out of nothing.

I go shoe-shopping and I've been to the Biltmore, can I be on television?

Anonymous said...

I don't understand the whole modesty thing anyway. What in the world is wrong with little boys (or little girls, or big boys and girls for that matter) wearing shorts? They must roast in Arkansas wearing all that long clothing all year round. Most people wear shorts in nice weather and everyone else is not jumping their bones or getting turned on or "being defrauded"-whatever that means, or getting struck down by lightning because of it.
And Michelle in the "skin-to-skin" episode with Josie? What is possibly going to happen to Michelle or the viewing audience if three inches of her neck is showing? Especially since we saw a lot more than that during the birth scene?
I just really don't understand what the reasoning is behind it. Are they afraid of attracting unwanted attention if the kids wear shorts or the girls wear pants? That could hardly be the case. I can see them being against short shorts and bikini tops and halters or whatever. But tee-shirts and long shorts are certainly not going to have any ill effects on themselves or anyone else, are they? Is this just some crazy Bill Gothard rule they think they have to follow?

Anonymous said...

Jill is in the Chickafil or whatever the name of that joint is, pic. She is holding Jordyn. Joy is standing right next to her (looking a tad preadolescent chubby). Jana and JD are missing, but we know they are off in the far east, trying to convert Muslim orphans to Christianity.

Sarah S said...

Jill is in the picture from the Hawks View blog. She's wearing a green polo. Everyone is there except Jana and John David. Michelle and Josie are at home.

Anonymous said...

"trying to convert Muslim orphans to Christianity."
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Oh, the arrogance of thinking the Muslim religion is inferior to Christianity.

Also funny that, by some Muslim stds, the Duggars are immodest not only in dress but lifestyle.

Hey, Duggars: judge NOT lest ye be judged! Try to learn to give as much respect to other religions as you'd like given to your own beliefs. You are NOT all that & a bucket of chicken when it comes to morals - get over yourselves.

Maybe the Muslims might want to ENCOURAGE you.

Anonymous said...

"Even something as simple as shoe-shopping has to be followed up with a bragging Josiah in the interview chair afterwards......"OTHER families go to the MALL for new shoes, but OUR FAMILY goes to the THRIFT STORE!"
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Right from the mouth of The Patriarch. Ugh. These apples will not fall far from the arrogant tree. And there are 19 of them. Spare us.

Anonymous said...

"Michelle's candidate lost the race, so I hope Michelle won't be taking any more time away from Josie for political endorsements.

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Ah, but so many liquor-selling mini marts, so little time.

We haven't heard the last from the Duggars and their holier than thou/dispense with the freedom of others political agenda.

Anonymous said...

"no reason to hate (and yes, it is disintegrating into hate) the family "

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I don't see it as hating the family. I see hatred of the self righteousness and arrogance. I see hatred of the selling out one's family but hypocritcally under the banner of religious 'encouragement'.

It's not the family that is intensely disliked. It is their actions and attitude.

Anonymous said...

Shame on the Duggars and the Duggar children for wanting to help in orphanages around the world.

Shame on the Duggars for donating their time and their money in efforts to help other children, with food and gifts.

Shame on the Duggars for giving vehicles to a stranded missionary in their home town.

Shame on the Duggars for helping getting the Christian message out by promoting Fireproof and other clean family movies.

Shame on the Duggars for participating in the American right to protest, and promote political candidates.

The Duggars need to take their evil ways and stay at home on their "compound" and never bother the rest of the world again.

Anonymous said...

"The Duggars need to take their evil ways and stay at home on their "compound" and never bother the rest of the world again."

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Some of us would gratefully settle for the Duggars simply staying off TV.

The Duggars are free to do whatever and we are free to critique.

Go Away Duggars said...

Shame on JimBob Duggar for telling the viewing audience he teaches his children that they should have self-control in everything that they do (the dentist episode), yet he doesn't practice what he preaches. He's gained how much weight recently?

Shame on Michelle Duggar for saying that they choose their clothing in order to draw attention to their countenance (an early one-hour special), yet nowadays they are wearing tons of makeup and it looks like they've been to the tanning salon and had their teeth whitened.

Shame on Michelle Duggar for allowing Jedidiah and Jeremiah to wrestle with each other in the kitchen, with their arms around the other's neck, right in front of Michelle, while she does nothing about it (the laundry soap-making episode).

Shame on Michelle Duggar for taking time away from her struggling preemie in order to try to stop other adults from legally purchasing beer at a convenience store near her home.

Shame on Michelle Duggar for saying that "some of the graduated children may attend college" but not actively encourage them to do so.

Shame on JimBob Duggar for thinking he is so special that his family should be allowed around the roped-off area at the Biltmore.

Shame on JimBob Duggar for boasting on how he uses the Bible as his reference point, but not taking the time to learn the quotes correctly.

Shame on Michelle Duggar for stating she homeschools her children, when in actuality that job has been passed on to the daughters and other helpers.

Yes, the Duggars should take their hypocritical ways and cancel the show.

Celestie said...

I was HAPPY to see the younger boys wearing those shorts, because I've often thought making them wear jeans in an Arkansas summer borders on abuse. I was appalled when they ran (or tried to run) that race in Arkansas wearing jeans and leather shoes. I

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Sort of like the girls hiking up a mountain in long snug skirts and flip flops.

This is not hating, this is common sense.

Amanda said...

Cyn- Yes it is humid in Arkansas. You can cut the air with a knife

Some of my beefs with the Duggars are that they want others to let them live the way they (the Duggars) want, educate the kids the way they want, etc. Yeah for them to be able to do that. On the other hand they don't let others live the way they want. True freedom of speech is when your enemy gets to say what he wants to say also.

Why must every good thing they do be taped? There is a Bible verse that says when you get glory for something on earth you will not get glory for it Heaven. Is it possible for them to do good without a camera crew follwing them around? Millions of people do good things everyday without it being taped and expecting a pat on the back for it

Celestie said...

liketheduggars said...
"Is it possible the Duggar rabid fans are trying to heal something in their own lives by living through this reality TV family?"

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I certainly hope the implication is not that the "fans" (all three of us, lol) on this forum are "rabid."

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Your criticisms are fair. What I object to is the notion, that when we/I question anything this professional "TV family" is doing, we are considered "haters." I don't know how the super fans come to this conclusion. There are a couple of things I might question about the late Mother Teresa, but I sure didn't hate her. It is possible to admire someone and to question at the same time.
I do question the psychological "needs", of super fans who know more about Duggars than anyone needs to know about anyone else. To me it borders on online stalking. These fans are not to be confused with people like yourself, Cyn and Suzanne who seem to admire them, but can look at them realistically as people with faults and admiral qualities. Some earlier poster said it all, when they mentioned,some posters look on this family as if they were in someway "real" and that they know them and are their friends. Again, they are paid TV people whose director JB, dictates what is shown about their lives for one purpose, to make money. They don't know you. They would like to sell you a book, or a DVD and will do what is necessary to do so.
If posters want to believe everything they see, then go at it, but don't expect us all to buy into this charade.

Not a hater, just an observer.

Celestie said...

Shame on the Duggars and the Duggar children for wanting to help in orphanages around the world.
etc.

So do just do it and don't market it as a another way to make money on your "goodness".

Cyn said...

So do just do it and don't market it as a another way to make money on your "goodness".
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We (on this blog) heard about the mission trips because another poster found a blog on it...

Was it in People? Was it on the Today show? Was it on the show?

And until the shows starting airing again in the fall do we know if they will talk about the movie on the show or on interviews...

Other than Josie coming back home again the ONLY reason this blog knows about most of their doings is because we found them posted on other blog posts. How is that 'marketing' or promoting their 'goodness'?

Cyn said...

Thanks Amanda wasn't sure...

LOL last night at 2:30 am it was 76 and the humidity was still at 85%...

Having lived for now 2 (going on 3 summers) in Atlanta I know know what the word humidity means LOL and wasn't sure how it was out there...

In east TN were I grew up we didn't have these issues... well at least not till August anyway, certainly not April - Oct.

Cyn said...

Shame on Michelle Duggar for saying that they choose their clothing in order to draw attention to their countenance (an early one-hour special), yet nowadays they are wearing tons of makeup and it looks like they've been to the tanning salon and had their teeth whitened.
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Countenance refers to the face and facial expressions... Make-up and teeth whitening would make sense if they want to have people drawn to their face.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 2:00 p.m. said:
See what Josh said: "Unlike a lot of other movie sets, you see a ton of volunteers here. You see a ton of people that are really dedicated to a cause versus just to make money. So it really is awesome to see that.”
The Ds are nice people, but when they say things like this they sound as if they think they are better than the rest.
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So true. I almost expect Josh to break into a rousing chorus of "How Great We Art" at any moment.

It's also a foolish remark given the fact that Josh sold his wife's privacy and first childbirth experience to TLC for "entertainment". It's too bad Josh was more dedicated "just making money" than the cause of modesty, privacy and his wife's feelings.

Anonymously Yours said...

@Celestie: Great points, excellently stated. Applause!

Anonymously Yours said...

With all due respect, the Duggars' entire show is 'marketing their goodness'. Their religion and alleged 'goodness' is their TLC brand.

Anonymously Yours said...

Just want to say that the conversation here is interesting and enjoyable.

Just because we have different opinions about the Duggars does not mean we can't express these differences and still be blog friends.

I enjoy the debate - gives food for thought, so thanks.

Steve knight said...

The missionary thing is more of a feel good about what I am doing trip. they are not really helping they are over there to preach. Jesus would bring food they just bring their religion. the World would have been far better off without such missionaries.

Iliketheduggars said...

"Some of my beefs with the Duggars are that they want others to let them live the way they (the Duggars) want, educate the kids the way they want, etc. Yeah for them to be able to do that. On the other hand they don't let others live the way they want."

When did they ever not let someone live the way they want?

"True freedom of speech is when your enemy gets to say what he wants to say also."

When did they not let their "enemy" speak?

Anonymous said...

The Duggar ladies must not have much faith in their "countenances" if they have to cake on the makeup and have their teeth whitened.

I thought vanity was a sin.

Anonymous said...

To answer a previous post as to when the Duggars have ever not let someone live the way they want,.......
Michelle Duggar tried to take away the rights of a convenience store owner to legally sell beer when she protested the mini-mart license.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Who are we to judge the fruit of this mission trip? One does not know all that they have acomplished during their stay.

Even if they did nothing but share the Word of God to others that is a lot. the Bible tells us to go to all of the world and share the good news.

Judy said...

Shame on Michelle Duggar for saying that they choose their clothing in order to draw attention to their countenance (an early one-hour special), yet nowadays they are wearing tons of makeup and it looks like they've been to the tanning salon and had their teeth whitened.
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Countenance refers to the face and facial expressions... Make-up and teeth whitening would make sense if they want to have people drawn to their face.


Cyn:
Is that how you personally look at the difference between what the Duggars say and do -- that it actually makes sense in this instance? Because the way I look at it, of course this is JMO, the Duggars comments on focusing on countenance or face are to draw away from the lustful urgings of looking at other body parts (My own interpretation, granted). But if the face is made up/teeth are whitened,(and I don't know if they are) doesn't that go against another Duggar claim that it's what in people's hearts that matter, not what they look like? And of course against the whole modesty thing? I thought modesty was not only dress/covering body parts, but also in actions and wearing a lot of make up or whitening teeth (if that is what's happening) is the opposite?

Cyn said...

I'm not seeing the make-up being caked on.... I did see a very badly done spray on tan job at one point. (Michelle was orange uggggghhhh)

The lipstick isn't bright red... the make-up isn't Tammy Faye... and from the you-tube videos I keep seeing; the make-up the Duggar girls are experimenting with isn't half bad.

I have pointed this out before and maybe it needs repeating... "the DUGGARS never claimed to be perfect, they claim to be trying and growing" the Duggar FANS on the other hand try to make them seem perfect and holier than thou.

Michelle was talking about why they wear the clothes they wear to was to bring a persons focus to their faces. That's what the end goal is... that does not on the other hand mean when they do something different with their faces or their hair they have changed the end goal only that they have slightly altered the plan on getting there.

Cyn said...

We as Americans have the right to protest.... That's all Michelle did.

She protested yet another mini-mart selling alcohol in her town. She has that right, just as I have the right to protest the selling of hard liquors in my grocery stores. I'm not asking for people to not drink, simply that I don't want it in my grocery store (that's what liquor stores are for).

The Mini-mart owner had he simply been at the meeting, and had valid points for selling beer and what all else would have gotten his license. It's why the Arizona has those laws, BOTH sides can then be heard and a decision made. Most states that allow selling of beer and harder liquors (some counties and cities do not) have those meetings and any Jane Doe off the street can attend them and protest the selling of said items.

I thought Michelle was beyond dingy for doing it AT THAT TIME because Josie was in the hospital... She could have sent any of the other adults in her family and accomplished the same end, with a lot less hassle.

Anonymous said...

"I certainly hope the implication is not that the "fans" (all three of us, lol) on this forum are "rabid."
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I've enjoyed this entire discussion, on both sides. I just wanted to respond to this part to say this: trust me, there are many more than just you, Cyn and Suzanne who are "fans." Just because the majority of us question and criticize does not mean we are not fans. If we truly hated the show that much, I'm assuming we wouldn't watch. There's just no point in posting all of the "good" things or things we do agree with. I guess I should only speak for myself, but I can say that I've posted LOADS of critical, questioning comments on this blog, but if anyone were to ask me, I'd say I'm definitely a Duggar fan. I don't agree with everything they do, and I don't disagree with everything they do. But since they're on TV, I feel that I have the right to dissect it and discuss it, and frankly, I find these discussion entertaining : ) Sometimes I post just to play devil's advocate because I'm trying to sort out my own opinion on an issue. Just wanted to let you know you aren't alone out there as "out of the closet" Duggar fans. I think many of us are "fans" on some level, but we still question and criticize to a degree. I don't think it's necessarily healthy to either agree 100% or disagree 100% with EVERYTHING they do, without fully thinking it through first, and from what I see, most of us are just attempting to make sense of things : )

Donna said...

Let's examine the facts, shall we:

Michelle Duggar gives birth 3 months early to Josie Duggar December 11, via Emergency C-section.

Michelle Duggar is 10-11 days post-partum when she goes to protest the granting of a beer license to a local EZ Mart. Not only does she stage a protest, but she also shows up at the Alcohol Control Board to testify with tear-filled pleas.

Now, I ask, how does she even know how to do that? I mean, I would not even know how to do that, stage a protest, find my way to an alcohol board, much less have the wits about me to do so if I had just given birth via emergency c-section (and still healing) and my one pound plus baby was fighting for her life in NICU in a hospital two hours from where my home is - filled with 18 other children nonethless.

"Controversy looms over the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board’s decision to deny a beer permit for a local gas station.

The board denied the request Wednesday for the EZ Mart on Sunset Avenue in Springdale.

And for some in the area, it comes as a shock. EZ Mart thought it would get the go-ahead.

Employees at the store said initially, no public officials had objected to their request, until yesterday, when a surprise guest came into the ABC board’s meeting to testify.

“I was told the Duggars were there protesting it, and that Mrs. Duggar was up there crying. And she said that she didn’t want alcohol in her neighborhood or her town, so we got turned down for it,” said assistant manager Tomie Labeff.

Labeff said she and others were more than certain that EZ Mart would be selling beer.

“I was told the mayor wasn’t contesting it, so we were told by our general manager that we were going to get it for sure, but we were told no,” said Labeff.
40/29 News spoke to Michelle Duggar on the phone, and she said alcohol in convenience stores would bring children closer to it.

“Personally, I don’t think alcohol needs to be convenient. I think it needs to be placed in a place where adults can get to it and they will have a choice to get it. But our children should not be bombarded with that. It’s so close to home,” said Duggar.

For some, it’s a let down."

http://www.celebitchy.com/85867/michelle_duggar_angers_neighbors_by_rallying_to_get_ez-mart_beer_license_denied/

The evidence suggests that the Duggars are not "live and let live" type people who just want to be left alone to do their own thing. Well, they do actually want to do their own thing, but they also want to tell you how to do your own thing. Your thing is good as long as it's their thing too. Got it? Good. :)

Anon 3:14 said...

The Duggars will be speaking at the Values Voter event:

http://www.valuesvotersummit.org/

It made me chuckle, as one of the organizations "values" is to "Defend Our Freedoms" and yet they've invited Michelle Duggar, who spoke against the freedom of the MiniMart to sell beer and against the freedom of the legal adults to buy the beer.

The inconsistency is laughable, really.

This morning's re-run is the family reunion epi in Ohio. Michelle also goes to the doctor for a sonogram and give the whole modesty "can't see the mama skin" speech, and there's Jill spouting the party line about how her mom doesn't show her pregnant stomach, has to have a sheet held up, etc.,.....
and yet, fast forward to the birth of Josie and there is Michelle's stomach for the whole world to see during the c-section.

I guess it's different though, when you can film an emergency c-section and get those tv ratings.

Iliketheduggars said...

"The evidence suggests that the Duggars are not "live and let live" type people who just want to be left alone to do their own thing. Well, they do actually want to do their own thing, but they also want to tell you how to do your own thing. Your thing is good as long as it's their thing too. Got it? Good. :)"

Nope, not at all. They are fine letting ADULTS do their own thing, but they feel a responsibility to protect the CHILDREN of the community, and not just their own kids... remember the liberal catchphrase "it takes a village?" They never said "Adults shouldn't drink, and we're going to make sure they don't." They said "Adults should be allowed to buy alcohol; just please don't make it easily accessible by and in view of children." Her quote says it all: “Personally, I don’t think alcohol needs to be convenient. I think it needs to be placed in a place where adults can get to it and they will have a choice to get it. But our children should not be bombarded with that. It’s so close to home,” said Duggar.

And let's not forget that Arkansas and Missouri still had dry counties not so long ago... if that's still the case, then the Duggar views may well reflect the views and practices of a large percentage of their community. It's not like in most of our neighborhoods, where liquor has been sold in every Quikie Mart and grocery store so long that liquor stores are a thing of the past.

In their neighborhood, GETTING a liquor license may have been more unusual than being DENIED one. They may have been trying to keep things the way they are, not changing things to reflect their own views.

Iliketheduggars said...

"It made me chuckle, as one of the organizations "values" is to "Defend Our Freedoms" and yet they've invited Michelle Duggar, who spoke against the freedom of the MiniMart to sell beer and against the freedom of the legal adults to buy the beer."

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Nope, just against selling it where it is easily accessible by children. Again, that may be very consistent with the laws and norms in their community, especially since they had to have a hearing to determine whether to even issue a license. If that happens in my neighborhood, it is so routine that we don't hear about it.

Here are similar examples from where I live:

1. Folks were up in arms over pornographic videos available for rent at a video rental establishment. Now the store had the videos in a different room and wouldn't rent to minors; but of course the curiosity factor would prompt kids to peek in. And the community has several "adult-themed" stores; no protests there. Just protested the easy availability and exposure of these materials to children in a "family" rental store.

2. LOTS of protests about gambling boats in a historic district. We have gambling boats all over; rarely have I seen disagreement about the casinos per say. But residents didn't want a family-oriented, tourism-generating historic district tarnished by the increased crime, etc. brought on by gambling establishments (they lost the protest, and crime has indeed skyrocketed, sadly).

I just don't see anything wrong or inconsistent with Michelle Duggar's protest. We do traditionally have a history in this country of trying to find a balance between the freedoms of adults and the protection of children. The Mini Mart situation and outcome was a perfect example of this.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Actually it is Michelle practicing her freedom to have her say in the ordeal of having the mini mart obtaining their liquor licenses. It is consistent with the values of the given organization mentioned. It appears that some are so offended that she used her freedom to have her say that they keep on trying to find fault with her decision to speak up. She only practiced her right to have a say so. If it was not a right it would have not been available to her. I commend her for taking time out of her busy day to exercise her rights.

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