News?

As they say on TwoP, please take turns driving the ISB (Idle Speculation Bus).

Exactly what is your question? My family is close friends with the Duggar's and the Bate's(the Bates have 17 kids and are expecting number 18). Their children are very well behaved and do exactly as their told. They are not neglected, left out or abused. They very much no how to handle their kids, who are becoming very well contributing citizens of this country. I really respect them and if they can handle it, why not have that many kids?
Source(s):
Keep watching the show because they are about to drop a huge bombshell- they told us last Sunday. GOD bless.


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147 comments:

sadie said...

# 20 on it's way!

Anonymous said...

maybe its twins 20 and 21!

Anonymous said...

It may be an engagement between John David and Michaela Bates. There are pictures of the Bates family on the Staddonfamily.com website and it clearly shows that Michaela is wearing an engagement ring.

Anonymous said...

AS IF 'doing exactly what they are told' is, by definition a good thing. Dictators love this mentality - it gives them complete control over others.

We've seen this 'big bomb' type announcement tactic before with J&K+8.

Just another ploy to get people to tune in.


What could possibly be 'new' about this family? We already know they will have #20 if ye olde ova and sperm can rally up another one.

We can pretty much guess that Josie will continue to gain weight (thankfully, poor little baby), but I would not bet the farm that she will grow to adulthood with some major long term or permanent developmental issues.

The only newsworthy thing to me would be they actually have the sense (and ethics) to pull the plug on this show so they can devote all the time necessary to helping their struggling preemie. Now THAT would be newsworthy and quite a surprise (on all counts).

Anonymous said...

The first thing that jumped out at me was that the person who wrote that comment needs a little help in proper spelling and word usage. "Their children are well behaved and do exactly as their told."

Interesting that this area was addressed, as I have read and commented here, as well as seen elsewhere many negative comments about the younger childrens' behavior. They do seem to run wild in the house, I've seen them climb right onto a table or counter top, they hang from the bannisters and make quite a racket inside the house. I don't consider that "well behaved" but apparently the poster does. To each his or her own. Me, I prefer a home where all within it follow some simple guidelines, such as using indoor voices, not climbing on the furniture, running is kept to a minimum, and we treat the home and its contents with respect.

Next, "they very much no how to handle their kids, who are becoming very well contributing citizens of this country." Err, the word is "know", but it's the mangling of the next idea that really gets to me. They are "becoming very well contributing"? Wha???? Perhaps this person speaks English as a second language?

I also dispute the theory posed in that sentence. While I agree that so far the Duggar children aren't troublemakers or running rampant over the countryside, and in fact work harder than most adults (and for little to no money to boot!), I fail to see how they are contributing anything to their country.

Have any of them joined the military to serve their country? No.

Have any of them taken up a professional, such as nurse, EMT, police officer, in direct service to their community? No.

Have any of them run for public office (JimBob doesn't count, I'm only thinking of the children)? No.

Do any of them actively raise funds or run food drives to fight hunger within their community? Never see it on the show, so that's probably a no.

Do any of them appear to be taking courses in the sciences or technology, with plans to help develop treatments for disease, new technology that might help fight pollution, or otherwise contribute to the well being of the country and its peoples? That's a big NO.

As to the big announcement - if it's to announce the impending arrival of No. 20, they better be ready for a moment of shocked silence, then some polite and faint congratulations, and a whole lot of whispering behind their backs as the crazy is exposed.

Anonymous said...

Twins again.

jonandkatewho? said...

Either #20 is coming (this disgusts me and i hope it isnt true), or else one of the kids is getting married to a Bates.

Anon 3:14 said...

I hope the news is they've come to their senses and are stopping the show. Get those children off the television.

Jen said...

My guesses are 1) an engagement
2) or an announcement that there will not be another season

Tangerine Tanya said...

My migraine just got worse!

Anonymous said...

Those money hogs will never pull the plug on their own show, and they would never have a "big announcement" to end their own gravy train. Not a chance.

I am betting on #20 or the engagement. I think it's the engagement.

Anonymous said...

Please not #20! After 19 times I just don't see it as a bomb. Sorry, I kind of get it...you can get pregnant. If this is an engagement bomb how arrogant and prideful to think that I am going to be floored by this news. Mildly interested maybe. What I would be amazed with is some real news. ie, "the older siblings are not getting along" "Jim Bob realizes that maybe his pride has become a sin" "Duggars realize that they are not celebrities and retire to live normal decent lives."

Anonymous said...

Jim Bob and Gil are going to switch wives!!!

Anonymous said...

Can any of us possibly make it through another on camera Duggar 'courtship'? Spare me.

Another season, another baby. So, what's new?

And more kids 'graduate' from The School of The Dining Room Table yet do not venture forth for any further education and continue living on Duggar Acres into their 20's, 30's even?

We already know WAY more about this group than anyone possibly needs to know about them. Time for them to close down The Big Ring Circus.

Let them continue to procreate ad infinitum but NOT on TV.

Remember the good old days of TV, when even out-of-touch TV Executives somehow knew "Eight Is Enough"? Take me back to those bygone years .....

Anonymous said...

IF it's that they are D/Cing the show, then I applaud them for showing common sense and giving little Josie more privacy and time with her mommy.

It could be Anna's second pregnancy, but a " bombshell"? Hardly.

If it's baby 20, then I'm shocked that they aren't waiting until Michelle is far enough along to have a viable baby born on the day the announcement is made.. like 40 weeks along. Post- delivery would be better.


IF the blogger is one of the young girls who is friends with the Duggar girls, then probably an engagement. Teens and pre-teens get a lot more excited about romance than babies.

Kate said...

I'd put my money on an engagement...

just.me said...

I'll make three guesses!

1) Number 20 is one the way.

2) An engagement announcement.

3) Anna's pregnant again.


At this moment I'm leaning towards the engagement...

Michelle said...

My guess....an engagement! OR Josh and Anna are pregnant again.

Nicole said...

The Bates have an announcement on the Duggars' show...or the Duggars have an announcement??

Anonymous said...

My guess is that Anna and Josh are expecting no. 2.

I seriously doubt that Michelle is pregnant again right now. While she gave birth in December, her body probably still acted like she was pregnant until her due date in March. It's only been two months since then -- not impossible, but unlikely.

Anonymous said...

A little levity here now: Duggar News "Bombs" I'd love to hear about:

Jana, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, and JoyAnna make a successful break for it and get their own apt together. A new day dawns as they, like virtual newborns, discover the real world. Tune in for a NONcourting dating sequence (gasp!) and the Duggar women learn that there really ARE ethical non Christian people in the world.

Anna tells Josh to get up off it and, OBTW, say 'hello' to Weight Watchers, Joshie.

Michelle Duggar tells JimBob "no". On ANYTHING - you pick, doesn't matter. Just the concept would be worthy of watching.

JimBob realizes that genuinely smart men abhor Patriarchy and the ways it limits his wife and daughters.

The kids hold a Duggar Debate and tell mom and dad "no more kids - you are embarrassing us and we are tired of raising our younger siblings. STOP IT NOW."

JB&M send their kids to a (scary!) normal school. We can take it in steps: first a christian school, but eventually the leap to a .....
PUBLIC school.

Josie miraculously has no lifelong disabilities due to her tragic prematurity.

If ANY of these 'bombs' actually transpire, CALL ME (and the paramedics for my shock-induced cardiac arrest).

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Bates are joining the TLC team

just.me said...

If the "Big Announcement" is that they are stopping the show, I will take my hat off to them.

I think JB AND M are still devout believers, as they were portrayed to be in the earlier specials.

They used to be nutty religious freaks. Now they're chasing the God of fame and money. They're not the first, nor will they be the last to be seduced by the mighty dollar.

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness! I bet Jinger is pregnant! Just kidding. It's either:

1. Either Jana or John David is getting married.

2.#20. Ugh.

3. Anna's going for #2.

4. They are stopping the show. Hope not!

5.Josie is out again.

6.One of the childrens moves out.

I'm so excited now!

Anonymous said...

Maybe Amy is getting married. Or pregnant.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it has something to do with the Bates family. Maybe they are getting their own show?

mythoughtis said...

or maybe there is not really any announcement at all.

JTN said...

While I agree with the others, I'm crossing my fingers for JimBob deciding to get a crew cut and ditch the hair spray.

Anonymous said...

Somehow I doubt the D's are stopping the show.If they're talking of adopting,then that keeps the 'and counting' part firm.JMO.
Perhaps the Bates are getting their own show? if so then it might be more interesting than 19 and counting,who knows.

babysteps said...

Well there is only one more episode left so we'll find out next week if this rumor of something big is true or not.

Anonymous said...

I was thinking maybe Kelly Bates is expecting twins.

Anonymous said...

I don't know about the engagement thing. Don't the girls already wear purity rings, anyway? It didn't necessarily look like an engagement ring to me.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a link to a preview clip for the season finale? I've been looking everywhere! I missed the show so I didn't get to see any preview commercials. I'm hoping for an engagement!

Jen said...

Could the big news be what showed up on Michelle's blog?

That Jill is looking into college.

Anonymous said...

Was the post written by a graduate of the School of the Dining Room Table? It appears to have been written by a child, therefore the "big news" may not be all that big.

Jessica said...

I hope it's an engagement for one of the girls! I really like seeing the courtship develop on the show. I would also like to see a Josh and Anna show -- that would be great news too!

Anonymous said...

Michelle looks pregnant again to me. She's wearing the tops which flare out in the BACK, right at butt level. That's the way her maternity tops fit her for most of her pregnancy.

AND we didn't see Anna last night. Maybe she's having another bout of her 24 hour morning sickness like she did with Mack.

A bombshell would be another DIL/ MIL pregnancy.. but Michelle is a NUT to announce it before that unborn child is viable, IMO.

I could care less about a Duggar boy getting engaged or married. We know the boys are going to have OK lives. It's the girls I want to see break out and go to college, or get a job away from home, anything, something other than marriage to another Fundie who believes in mega-sized families.

Bubbles said...

The Duggars are going to announce they are the new Protectors of the island in "Lost" and they'll be leaving immediately after the show. Their show will now become a combination of Gilligan's Island and Survivor lol.

Nicole said...

"Have any of them taken up a professional, such as nurse, EMT, police officer, in direct service to their community? No.

Have any of them run for public office (JimBob doesn't count, I'm only thinking of the children)? No.

Do any of them actively raise funds or run food drives to fight hunger within their community? Never see it on the show, so that's probably a no."

As we've seen, John-David is a volunteer firefighter. (So are two of the oldest Bates kids). Jana has volunteered at a children's shelter for years. I've also heard them mention several times of different service projects that they are doing reguarly.

These types of things have always been a big focus for their family, and they do way more service than I do, or anyone else I know. Besides that, they are self-sufficient and that in and of itself can be considered contributing to society.

atlgal said...

Jchelle always looks pregnant to me. She did seem awfully happy in last night's episode.
That Jordyn is a doll!

Anonymous said...

Could the bombshell be that Michelle got her period after all these years of being pregnant/nursing? ;-)

elise said...

I think they will announce they have turned into Jehovah's witnesses. They are perfect for it. a whole hoard of recruiters can drive around and accost everyone.

Willow #1 said...

I am not defending the Duggars on everything, obviously, but I have to comment about the "not contributing to society" comment. John David is training to be a fire fighter. They go to El Salvador to help (granted, that is not THEIR country). They volunteered at the soup kitchen when they were in D.C. It has also been reported on this blog that they do help with community services but they do not want it advertised. We have no proof of that, but some have reported it. I think their community service is at least average.

Anyway, as this is the "big bombshell" thread, I wonder if it could be they are moving to Little Rock permanently? JB going back into politics? Josh going into politics? Gil and Kelly Bates are moving to Arkansas? Hope it is at least something, now that we are all wondering. LOL. I hope Jana marries a real doll of a guy and has some fun before she has her own family. That would be great news. Peace and love.

Suzie said...

Who is "They" and was Michelle in the room? Were the Bates there, because something that looks like an engagement ring has been recently spotted on Michaela Bates' ring finger. BUT since they frown on gossip, an engagement or pregnancy (Michelle, Anna, or God forbid, BOTH) to be announced, they would have to be there, even if someone like Jill or Joy actually "announced" it. Since the poster was female and they frown on intersex mingling of the hormonal teens, it pretty much has to be either of those choices (or it's Jana, who has totally checked out). Whatever it is, it happened about a month ago, since the last episode was taped around Big Sandy unless they got some later taping in in the last week or so for the latest Josie update to end the season (next week's episode is the finale...from TLC's schedule, it looks like they're going on haitus for a while, so whatever it is, it's probably going to be spliced in or on a chiron at the end.

Celestie said...

In what way are the self sufficient? They are very self involved and self satisfied, but self sufficient?

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OK, I would NOT like to see the Bates get a show of their own. They are doing just fine and living the life they want. Why start throwing money and fame at them and have them turn into another "Duggar Doin' It For Dollars" show?

I would not like to see a Josh and Anna show. Josh can only be taken in small doses.

I would rather see a show featuring one of these big homeschooling, God fearin' families that believe the world is not going to collapse, if the girls wear shorts and go to college and make something of themselves. There are several families out there, that are pretty darn interesting. And could use the money for education.

I don't think the Duggars will ever give up the show willingly. Too much money, and JB loves his money.

Miss Elainius said...

I'm not trying to be unkind, but is this any more than an internet rumor?

Ms. B said...

The "never seen it on the show, so therefore they don't do it" argument is getting pretty tired out. I'm going to join the chorus of Duggar supporters and reiterate that we do NOT see their lives 24/7. We see twenty-two EDITED minutes a week of a show about 24 different people, that's not a whole lot!

On a separate note, has anyone else noticed the newer posts on Michelle's blog on the TLC website? It's very interesting and I suggest reading it. It has recently dispelled several of the claims that the girls are not obtaining higher education, that they don't want a career, etc. Michelle has explained Jana's career interests, and that Jill is seriously considering a university. Reading the blog gave me more information about those girls' lives than any of the episodes. Just goes to show, the camera doesn't tell the whole story!

Ok, so back to the topic: I think the bombshell HAS to be an engagement. For all we know, it might have happened a long time ago (several weeks or months) but they have waited until the season finale to air the news. I hate speculating, but, I'm thinking it has to be John David. The producer has alluded before to this asking John if there were any girls in his life, his response was "kinda, sorta, not really." LOL. That was months ago, and now we know he has been doing the towing service for a while, he may have saved up enough money to be on his own.

babysteps said...

Michelle's blog says that Jill may be going into nursing and Jana is taking music classes and wants to specialize in the harp. They say there is good money for harp players. Maybe an announcement will be college. I hope so.

Kerri said...

This train wreck continues. The older girls are being used interchangeably as a PARENT. This is wrong on so many levels and IMO, abusive. These beautiful young women should be living their own lives and not rearing the Macduggar brood. I hope their parents and TLC are compensating them so they are able to utilize a "formal" education when their mother becomes the primary caregiver as she as stated.

PrideComesB4TheFall said...

"and JB loves his money."

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AND
his hairspray
AND most especially
attention.

Anonymous said...

Jill can't go to nursing school. She might be defrauded by naked bodies and she is scared to get blood drawn or have her teeth pulled. Besides which, she hasn't had any proper education at the School of the Dining Room Table, and doesn't know near enough biology or chemistry or math to have any nursing prerequisites.

She'd make a great preschool teacher, but she won't be going to school for that either, since she will be raising her mother's brood until she finally gets to go off and raise a brood of her own.

Anonymous said...

If there is an annoucement I think it will be engagement. JimBob and Michelle are too media smart and understand it would not be popular to get pregnant again right now. Even though they say they leave it up to God, they can abstain for awhile, at least until Josie is back at home and all "looks" well.

Anna very well could be pregnant. I would hope she would get more time to enjoy first time motherhood. On the last episode we see Josh with the baby in the morning and Anna at home, maybe morning sickness?

If an annoucement is made after the finale, I can see it being an engagment. Kind of like a cliffhanger. They announce the engagement (John David would be my guess but I'm not sure its a Bates girl?)and then say tune in next season to see the wedding!

Anonymous said...

As much as I would love to hear one of more of the girls going to college I do not seee that happening. Michelle has been blogging , probably because she has been told that people are starting to question. The Duggars are trying to give answers, though not direct answers to the questiosn people ask.
Jill would have a hard time becoming a nurse. I have a niece that was homeschooled and took a few science and math classes at the local college. She had high test scores and she applied to nursing school this year. The local college has a 3 year wait list, the other 2 colleges were very comptetive, even 3.90 on pre-req's and good test scores did not get her a spot. Then there are some "for profit" nursing schools. They have a 1 year wait list and would take her in but the cost is close to 35k for an lpn, and 70k for an RN (this isn't even a bsn). She is staying on the wait list and trying to do volunteer cna hours to help her chance next year at the competetive school. She would rather pay 5k then 70k and we all know the Duggars they would not let Jill go 70k into debt!
Maybe by nursing Michelle means Jill could take a some online class or shadow a christain cna , help other christian families with home health issues or do missionary work related to minor health care.

The talk of Jana and the harp, maybe Jana is engaged to Zack Bates and Jana and Erin could go to that chirstain music school? Remember Erin could not go to the school alone (without a buddy) and Jana toured the school with her. Even though the school Erin takes clases at is non-accredited , it could be a nice new life for Jana.

Anonymous said...

I am guessing it is really nothing.

I don't really think an engagement would be considered dropping a huge bombshell because at the ages of the older kids that really should be expected and not much of a bombshell. Even if it is to a Bates.

I imagine Josie is getting bigger and doing well, so not a big bombshell.

I don't really think another baby for Josh and Anna would be a big bombshell since they have said they will take as many as God gives them.

That they admit they are into Gothard and really quiverful, no not much of a bombshell.

I wouldn't think another baby would be a big bombshell had Josie not been a preemie so that could be it, and I think quite a few people would find that insane.

Pulling the plug on the show could be a big bombshell and welcomed actually so the kids could get some privacy and back to their "normal" sheltered lives.

What I would consider a huge bombshell would be Michelle and Jim Bob getting a divorce but I know that wouldn't be it.

Guess we will have to wait and see if there is even a huge bombshell.

mythoughtis said...

Whose church did this get announced in - JB's, the Bates, or the LR church?

I don't think it is number 20 for the simple reason that there just hasn't been enough time:

Josie born mid December... 80 days (remember that concept? is the end of February. Even Michelle doesn't normally get pregnant the first month they resume relations,
so I don't think that is it.

Now, Anna could be, but I don't think so... I think she and Josh have started to figure out they do not have to repeat their parents lives if they don't want to.

Could be an engagement, Jana maybe? But if so, we've seen no hint as to who. Could be John David, but if so, I bet it's someone totally separate from his parent's friends.

Could be Jill going to school.... that should be interesting? She'll need to attend a community college first. And that surely messes up the Duggar system since Jill does most of the work

As for Michaela, maybe she is engaged, but that would be for the BATES to announce in church, not the Duggars. I think it is NOT a Duggar boy since she's been traveling (family style, of course) with males from a different family.

Could be they are moving back home except for Michelle.

Anonymous said...

"would rather see a show featuring one of these big homeschooling, God fearin' families that believe the world is not going to collapse, if the girls wear shorts and go to college and make something of themselves. "

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Agreed. Less god fearin', more education loving, and a sane number of children.

It would be refreshing.

"The Middle" sitcom is more realistic than the Duggars' 'reality'.

Anonymous said...

IMO it appears Jill is trained to be a caregiver of Josie when she arrives home again,(as it appears she was the first time).She knows the medical lingo and appears to know her basic care needs.I'm not going to critisize that, as it may very well have been her request,and would be good training for her if she does decide to become a nurse.She appears to be good at it.
But if that is the case,then imo she probably won't be going to college anytime soon,at least not until Josie gets older and more stable.

atlgal said...

My prediction is that Jordyn gets a pro bono lawyer and divorces herself from this mess.

babysteps said...

Jordyn looks very happy to me.

bostonbeth said...

Does it bug anyone else when people comment....."I'll bet Josh and Anna are pregnant".....no; ANNA would be pregnant, NOT Josh...I was pregnant with and delivered our 4 kids; not my ex-husband! JW if this bothers anyone beside my almost 50 year old self....

Tess said...

I think any "engagement ring" on any Duggar or Bates girl would most likely be a purity ring, as one of the anons said.

I think Anna's pregnant. About time :P
Really, I'm hoping that's not it. I'd prefer an engagement :)

Anonymous said...

Maybe Anna will tell Josh to shove it, she's really more interested in guys who actually WORK and she's decided to run away with John David instead.

Sugar Booger said...

Anonymous said
"Jill can't go to nursing school. She might be defrauded by naked bodies and she is scared to get blood drawn or have her teeth pulled. Besides which, she hasn't had any proper education at the School of the Dining Room Table, and doesn't know near enough biology or chemistry or math to have any nursing prerequisites."

I am a licensed practical nurse. I needed no prerequisites. Someone else mentioned it cost 35k to go to school to be an LPN... I paid $4000.00 total. I went many years after my high school graduation and graduated at the top of my class... previous Education has less to do with it than
determination... If Jill is determined she can do it. My lab partner in school was home schooled and her parents were ill during her childhood and she was required to help with her siblings. She excelled in nursing school as well. While there may be a lot to hold Jill back in nursing school (nurses and other medical professionals are more often than not down right nasty with one another) I don't think her lack of a public school education would e one of them.

Anonymous said...

More info from People magazine on the severity and complexity of Josie's medical/ surgical problems:

More info has been released about Josie's condition, and it's not good at all.
From People magazine:

"After a frantic race back to the hospital, Josie has stabilized, growing to an impressive 6 lbs. 9 oz. But complex questions remain about her condition. Unable to normally digest her feedings, Josie needs enemas every six hours and constant staff assistance. Ligaments that should keep her stomach in place are weak or nonexistent; portions of her intestines are similarly mobile. Doctors next plan on a surgery to repair three hernias; they may also try to anchor certain organs in place. "We still need to understand what all her issues are," explains Arrington, codirector of the NICU."

Anonymous said...

The news is that Josie is coming home on Tuesday. Great news, but certainly not a "bombshell."

Anonymous said...

IMO it appears Jill is trained to be a caregiver of Josie when she arrives home again,(as it appears she was the first time).She knows the medical lingo and appears to know her basic care needs


Yes, I was thinking the same thing. In fact, there was a scene in the hospital when Jill was holding Josie while Michelle was walking around, talking to the nurses, talking to the camera and then walking over to look at Jill and Josie -- and suddenly I could see Jill was the mama and Michelle is more like a grandma to this baby. Loves Josie, but she's not the primary care giver/mom. Jill will fulfill that role.

Jill is very young, but she does seem very tender and loving toward Josie. Although I completely disagree with siblings raising their younger siblings, maybe in this case it's for the best. I think Jill will probably do a better job at caring for Josie's special needs than Michelle could ever do. I think Michelle is a detached sort of person, except with JimBob and deep down she was terrified when Josie was released, knowing certain demands would be made on her to care for Josie's special needs. She flubbed it pretty bad, so that Josie still remains in NICU to this day. Maybe the doctors at the hospital had a talk with the home health care worker and decided that "mom" isn't up to snuff.

As to the big news, I'm wondering if this poster isn't just full of baloney, or overly dramatic. Sounds like a young girl from the tone and spelling errors, so we'll see if any big news is announced soon or not.

Anonymous said...

In new People magazine article, Michelle admits that it is possible that she is pregnant again.

Anonymous said...

What could possibly be 'new' about this family? We already know they will have #20 if ye olde ova and sperm can rally up another one

That gave me a good laugh

Mary said...

Does JB really work when he goes to Bates house or to volunteer to ot looks like he talks alot and stands around barking orders. I remember when they had ice storm JB could not do anything but stand ariund and watch the bates family clean his land


Mary

Jana fan said...

What I don't quite understand, if if she has some genetic issue or anatomical issue with her intestines and digestive system, Michelle must have known she would need to give Josie enemas every six hours at home too. This wasn't a "new" condition that just cropped up when she got home. It clearly is something that is a birth defect, and would have been even if she had been born full term.

But it sure doesn't sound good to me. Floating intestines and no ligaments to her stomach? That sounds rather serious, so it isn't a wonder that she isn't home yet. However, will Josie ever be able to come home to that House of Hooligans? She can't just be ignored while Michelle incubates number 20.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else go to the staddonfamily.com site? Makes my hair stand up. A quote from the blog:
When the Bates family left something going on in WVA because Dad said so and they missed being held up by a roadblock. The blog posters idea: "Honoring and obeying authority is God’s way of helping us “bypass” a host of unforeseen roadblocks."

Funny how the authority is always attached to a penis, isn't it? I am the mother of just boys and I can't imagine coming to the conclusion that whatever women they marry should have to obey them as "authorities" who are under God's special hand of blessing.

Spooky.

Jennifer

Anonymous said...

Hopefully Josies problems will resolve. Michelle will need to take care of her. There is nothing even remotely ok about another baby. I wonder if there will be a backlash. The money should continue with reruns. It's time to stop this show.

Judy said...

When Michelle says it's possible that she's pregnant, I think she just means they've recently had unprotected sex and has not gotten her period yet. Probably nothing more or less. Frankly, if my baby was as sick as hers, and hospitalized for five months, AND I had seventeen other children at home to tend to (not counting Josh) the last thing I'd want to do is have sex.

Joanne, RN said...

Does anyone have the link to the People article that posters are referring to? I would love to read it and can't find it a People.com.
Thanks!

Anonymous said...

These people are so frighteningly clueless about the reality of the medical issues faced by Josie that it's close to unbelievable. From what little has been released about the nature of her "tummy troubles" (eyes rolling), it's obvious that her digestive system failed to develop properly in utero or after birth and may well cause lifelong disability. I don't think Michelle or that dolt of a husband are capable of dealing with this kind of issue, and it certainly shouldn't fall to one of the older girls to have to deal with a severely disabled child.

From what little I've seen, I'd expect this child will require multiple abdominal surgeries and even after all that may or may not be able to lead anything like a normal life. Just looking at the pictures shows that she appears nothing like an even near term normal infant, despite the bows and ribbons and other idiotic ploys to try to make her look normal.

A preemie with no long-term sequelae would not still require NICU care this long past the expected birth date.
This is still a severely ill infant, who may never be able to survive in the family atmosphere into which she was thrown upon her first discharge. These people need to get a grip, or they'll require mortuary services more than church services the next time the child is released into their so-called 'care'.

Celestie said...

Does JB really work when he goes to Bates house or to volunteer to ot looks like he talks alot and stands around barking orders. I remember when they had ice storm JB could not do anything but stand ariund and watch the bates family clean his land


What??? And mess up his hair or mess up his manicure? Ever notice the difference between JB and Gil Bates? Gil is a very hands on, take charge, get in there and get the job done. JB is a poser for the most part. In life's classroom, JB has learned to sell his kids' lives for money, that is his job.

Anonymously Yours said...

"When Michelle says it's possible that she's pregnant, I think she just means they've recently had unprotected sex and has not gotten her period yet. Probably nothing more or less. Frankly, if my baby was as sick as hers, and hospitalized for five months, AND I had seventeen other children at home to tend to (not counting Josh) the last thing I'd want to do is have sex."

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Especially UNprotected sex.

Sadly, but not surprisingly, they have learned nothing from Josie's tragically premature birth.

Anonymous said...

"Funny how the authority is always attached to a penis, isn't it? I am the mother of just boys and I can't imagine coming to the conclusion that whatever women they marry should have to obey them as "authorities"

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Agreed. How many of these oh-so-religious men would willingly join up and get behind any Matriarchal churches or family dynamics set ups?

Anonymous said...

The link to the May 31 issue of People magazine is posted on the TWOP forum for the Duggar show. ( Under reality shows.)
It was posted today. It is a scan of the complete article with photos. It's not a mock up.
I'm not sure if the issue is on magazine stands yet, but the poster absolutely does have access to the interview with Michelle, Jim Bob and Dr. Arrington.


I hope this helps you. :)

elise said...

Michelle has said she would do the preemie thing over and over because it is worth it. But only worth it to her. I don't really think she cause about the baby anymore as long as she keeps having them. I mean she loves them but they are more like a addiction then a mothers want. Plus she says soon she will not be a mother (as in once she can't have kids she is not a mother anymore) this woman needs some head shrinking badly. but of course she is just encouraged by the other fundies.

Anonymous said...

The People for May 31 is available at many stores now.

elise said...

Michelle says in the article she did not want her child to have a mri because of the noise. Come on now after all of the horn blowing and noise makers in the face she is worried about the mri?
Is there something wrong with this woman? or is she really afraid to find out this child is not perfect like they claim she is?

Kitten said...

...the last thing I'd want to do is have sex.

But JB has nothing to do, and he's bored going on field trips with the kids, and we all know that what JB wants, JB gets. So if there is another pregnancy, I don't think it was at Michelle's request. Not that she wouldn't be thrilled, especially if the baby and pregnancy are normal. Then she would have another baby (#20!)she could coo over, instead of one that actually requires attention and care. I'm getting the feeling she would be happy to let Josie stay in the hospital forever, and just visit her occasionally.

Anonymous said...

Just saw the People article...

I am kinda tired of the big bows on the little girls. We will still be able to tell they are girls, even without the bow/flowers.

Why are Josh and Anna in the picture? He needs to leave and cleave.

Josie looks like there is something not right (there is a condition that when a baby is born their body ages quickly. That is what she reminds me of)

Jana said that JB & M "keep up with our hearts" What does that mean?

Anonymous said...

Josie did have the MRI, that is how they discovered what the problem is. They didn't know earlier what was going on like when Josie first went home from the hospt.

As for the noise, if you have ever had an MRI the noise is very disturbing. When they first attempted it they had to stop because they baby became so upset. They must have tried again or they wouldn't have the information they do about her problems.

When Jill was holding the baby and Michelle was just walking around talking to the nurses and the camera she ended up by entering the "pump" room. That is most likely why Jill was holding the baby instead of her. Nurses have commented earlier that Josie is fussy baby. I'm sure they do not want to allow her to cry which would cause even more stress to her poor little body. It makes sense that Michelle is staying at the hospital 15 hours a day. She must be going home only to sleep at this point. It is really fortunate that she has the older girls to help her, not only with the other children but with Josie. What an enormous strain on any mother and it has been going on for over five months now, with her only break being that two day trip to Wi.

Anonymous said...

That "big bombshell" comment was picked up from TWOP and was simply a comment by a poster claiming to be close to the family, right? It could easily be nothing at all, and I see no reason to think that TLC planted the comment to keep up interest. The show is going into hiatus for an unspecified period anyway after next week. I'm going to miss them.

Anonymous said...

Something is definitely wrong with Josie/ She has some sort of genetic defect or birth defect or syndrome, not just 'plumbing problems'. Free floating intestines and no ligaments is not just a plumbing problem.

The fact that Michelle and Jim Bob could ever CONSIDER conceiving another child when they have 17 neglected child and one disabled one make me positively sick.

The best thing in the world would be for Michelle to get her tubes tied. Some people aren;t fit to be parents.

Judy said...

I have a digestive disorder, and I have to tell you, it is painful. That baby is probably very uncomfortable most of the time. I don't know if Jim Bob and Michelle realize that.

~Shari~ said...

Jill knows her parents well enough to know that, as with all the others, she and her siblings would be the parents of baby Josie so she went to work doing research in preparation. Apparently, "Dining Room Table University" offers pre-med.....

Hopewell said...

1. Jchelle and Mrs Our Joshie knocked up
2. at least one kid is getting married to a Bates, Staddon, Maxwell or Wilson [I think the Holts are gone from the scene] or if there's a Keller of age......
3. Bombshell? That would be Jim-Bob having a vasectomy with a rusty tin can on national tv OR that would be Jinger going to Military School or "Siah coming out or Bombshell does not mean yet another kid for any of these people!
4. A "nice" bombshell could be the Bates will now have the show since the house is big enough and the Duggars will visit THEM or that someone is allowed to do online college or go somewhere as a missionary.

Suzie said...

As a TWOP reader, I should clarify some misinformation about the origin of the "bombshell" comment. It came from Yahoo Answers and posted onto the TWOP site (and then here). Read it again; the grammar is horrible and the skill level is indicative of a student (likely a young teenage girl) who apparently knows both the Duggars and Bates families. The grammar is horrific, which is why I lean toward possibly someone from either the Duggar or Bates churches (I lean toward the latter, but given she got the news on a Sunday, it sounds like she got the info at homechurch). Some Duggars could have been back home and some members of the Bates family could have also been present. Some Duggars could also have been visiting the Bates and this writer been present at a Sunday dinner or something like that (since the Bates attend a "regular" church).

I also wonder if the poster really understands the implications of using the word "bombshell." Her command of the language isn't the best...

Judy said...

re:another pregnancy -- JB has stated repeatedly that he leaves future pregnancies up to Michelle so if they are having sex during her fertile times, it's really a joint decision -- JB doesn't ask/Michelle says God decides.

Anonymous said...

IF Michelle is pregnant again, then I do not want to ever hear JimBob utter the words, "I let Michelle decide how many children we will have".

I call b.s. on that verbage. It takes TWO to create a baby, she is not getting pregnant by herself.

Leave it to JimBob to ditch all responsibility for Michelle's pregnancies by saying that he leaves it up to her. We all know they follow the Gothard rule that they wife cannot "defraud" her husband sexually by saying "no, not now".

So here we probably go again, the show is going on hiatus so that when they start filming again, Michelle has that nice baby bump....you know the drill, she'll be in the interview chair all giggly and say in that little-girly voice "I was surprised to find out I was expecting", or "We are so happy that god has chosen to give us another baby", while JimBob is grinning from ear to ear over his latest accomplishment, all the while fragile Josie languishes in the hospital with Jill (her real "mom") holding her.

It seems Michelle is more comfortable having Josie IN the hospital than out of it. She is in no way capable of caring for an ill child, she can't even make the younger ones she has now behave themselves !

The train wreck continues on.

Seriously, JimBob needs to keep his pants on. Be a man, JimBob, and just say no. You can do it if you try.

Anonymous said...

To me, it doesn't make sense that Michelle "has" to be at the hospital up to 15 hours a day. She isn't "fortunate" that her daughters are somehow miraculously available to step in and fill her mothering role either.

Those girls have been raised and from a very young age given the job of running that household because Michelle either can't or refuses to do those jobs herself. From age 10, one of the girls had the "jurisdiction" (how I hate that word) of doing the family's laundry. Those girls have done the back breaking work of running the household and raising the younger children, while Michelle takes the easy way out and accepts all the glory because she "delivered" the babies. That's just the beginning of taking care of your children Michelle - didn't anyone ever mention that to you?

She stays at the hospital because that way she doesn't have to pitch in and do any work at home or spend one on one time with her other babies. It's so ridiculous.

As far as reality tv moms go, she is second only to Kate Gosselin on the lousy scale.

And if she is already pregnant with no. 20, I will move her to the #1 position as worst mother on reality tv. Because there will be no excuse for that, absolutely NO EXCUSE! If you have a terribly ill preemie, not to mention all sorts of children under the age of 10 that require your attention, it is your responsibility as a parent to abstain or otherwise make every attempt to refrain from becoming pregnant again. The living children you have already been blessed with are your responsibility first and foremost. If they have been selfish again, I hope the public turns on them and the show is canceled.

Anonymous said...

Well, of course Michelle is preggers again !

There's no way she'd show up for her Mother-of-the-Year Award this summer without another bun in the oven.

HW said...

Anonymously Yours said...
"When Michelle says it's possible that she's pregnant, I think she just means they've recently had unprotected sex and has not gotten her period yet. Probably nothing more or less. Frankly, if my baby was as sick as hers, and hospitalized for five months, AND I had seventeen other children at home to tend to (not counting Josh) the last thing I'd want to do is have sex."
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I know this sounds crude, but I doubt that Michelle's desire (or leack thereof) to have sex is ever a concern in that marriage. Many very conservative Christians teach that a woman is not to deny her husband in the bedroom. This is not to imply that I think JimBob forces himself on her but I do believe that Michelle is probably one of those women who simply does not tell her husband no.
I think JimBob loves the idea of more children (and more and more and more) because he thinks it proves his virility.

Iliketheduggars said...

Reading the People article confirmed what I thought about why JB and Michelle had so many kids and made it look easy... it WAS easy for them. Some people just have darned good procreating genes, and the Duggars are some of them. No real pregnancy problems after John David and Jana until now, and clearly no life-threatening or quality of life-threatening (think autims, etc.) problems with the kids. Heck, my FIRST pregnancy and child had more problems than their 18 oldest combined!

No wonder the Duggars kept going.
They really have been blessed (or lucky), and have accepted the blessings and done a good job with them.

Now that they have experienced a different kind of pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting, I really hope they are open-minded enough to consider trusting God enough to trust themselves to make good decisions... like limiting their procreating at this point, at least until some of their current difficulties are behind them. I really hope they don't feel they have to live up to some childbearing standard they set for themselves back when having babies was easier than removing a splinter.

At the same time, I really believe #20 is already in the oven.

Anonymous said...

After reading the people article I do not think Michelle is pregnant. I think they are not trying to stop it, and are sexually active. My bet is when they were interviewed Michelle was somewhere bewteen day 14-29 and so she says I might be pregnant, because she has had unprotected sex so yes she could be pregnant but she has not taken a test. I think Michelle would think it were a lie if she said no I am not pregnant and then she took a test next week and found out she was.

It is a bit disappointing if they do not believe in birth control that they can't take a few months off from trying. All their kids need them. When I had a premmie it was at least 6 months before we even thought about sex. I was exhusted physically and emtionally and worried about medical bills, and only had one other child at home.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I'm thinking this whole mystery most likely has something to do with the Bates...

Watching prior episodes where the Duggars and Bates families get together, it is obvious that the Bates could use some money to finish that big house. A few episodes on TLC should do it!

Anonymous said...

"I know this sounds crude, but I doubt that Michelle's desire (or leack thereof) to have sex is ever a concern in that marriage. Many very conservative Christians teach that a woman is not to deny her husband in the bedroom. This is not to imply that I think JimBob forces himself on her but I do believe that Michelle is probably one of those women who simply does not tell her husband no.
I think JimBob loves the idea of more children (and more and more and more) because he thinks it proves his virility."

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Agreed. And we dumb women are supposed to think, instead, that his need to keep proving his virility (and power as Patriarch) has nothing whatsoever to do with having so many kids. We are SUPPOSED to 'think' instead that all these kids are proof of his love for children and gawd.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Michelle is at the hospital 15 hours a day so she is properly trained to take Josie home again. If Josie needs enemas every 6 hours, has a feeding tube, is on oxygen, has 3 hernias, and is missing ligaments in her stomach, Michelle needs to be able to take care of all these issues calmly. It seemed like last time Josie came home so fast, and from what we saw (with the oxygen delivery) Michelle wasn't even there. Josie had a scare and Michelle sounded so paniced, putting Josie skin to skin thinking that "mommy bond" help her and maybe her core temp needed raising(while I know core temp is important, Josie has low oxygen and heart rate issues). I'm sure, as the mom of a premature infant myself, when Josie comes home again, there will be more scares, and most can be handled by an alert, educated, calm parent. I really hope these 15 hours a day is because Michelle is getting fully prepared for Josie coming home and not hiding and letting the older girls do all the work.

Joanne, RN said...

I don't know if Michelle is pregnant or not but has anyone noticed that when she is filmed for the last few episodes - it's just her face that's showing? She is never filmed in a way that you can see her belly. Just notice next time you watch.

Mommy in PA said...

I doubt it is another baby. That wouldn't be a bombshell. Been there, done that so many times already.

Anna pregnant again, or one of the older kids getting engaged would be news, but also not a bombshell as many viewers are expecting ant waiting for these to happen.

Here would be a bombshell: After praying for many months over Josie's health and God's plan for the Duggars and their children, JimBob finally decides to get snipped because he feels that this is the message God was sending in giving them the challenge of a premie after so many children. LOL

Anonymous said...

Michelle looks pregnant to me, and is definitely wearing maternity tops (the same ones she wore throughout her pregnancies with Jordyn and Josie). But since she can't be too far along yet, maybe (god willing) she really isn't pregnant and is just looking fleshy and heavy in the tummy.

I also have noticed that there is little filming of her whole body or side view, and wondered about that too.

Anonymous said...

The bombshell for me would be a double Bates-Duggar wedding or Michelle is 3 months pregnant with twins or triplets.

Anonymous said...

Michelle noted previously that her babies reacted to her milk if she got pregnant while still breastfeeding. Could Josie have been reacting to a change in milk, thus experiencing health problems?

Enough is enough, JB.

Anonymous said...

I think little Josie's problems are far more serious than a reaction to her Moms breastmilk! I believe the baby has extremely serious internal 'plumbling problems' for starters.

msrylee said...

I also clearly remember M saying that her baby reacted to changes in her breast milk when she became pregnant with the next Blessing. Perhaps one of the NICU nurses/posters would be able to clarify if Josie could be reacting to a change in M's breast milk. IMHO, Josie has some serious health issues which will be addressed when she is able to tolerate procedures/surgeries, and maybe M's breast milk content has nothing to do with her "tummy troubles".

Maybe TLC is not showing full body shots of M in order to keep #20 a secret?

Mommy in PA said...

Anonymous said...
Michelle noted previously that her babies reacted to her milk if she got pregnant while still breastfeeding. Could Josie have been reacting to a change in milk, thus experiencing health problems?

Enough is enough, JB



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Not likely, even if she is pregnant again. Josie's health problems were present long beforehand. She was unable to properly digest the proteins found in the breastmilk.

The other children were simply fussy due to changes in the breastmilk that can occur during a pregnancy.

Anonymous said...

Michelle had so much frozen milk I doubt Josie would even be getting any of the newer milk (what she would be producing now if she is pregnant).

Anonymous said...

If ever a struggling preemie needed breastmilk, it is Josie Duggar.

How can her mom even CONSIDER pregnancy at this point. If nothing else, she can at least provide Josie with breastmilk instead of devoting her body to growing another arrow for JB's quiver.

Anonymously Yours said...

Here would be a bombshell: After praying for many months over Josie's health and God's plan for the Duggars and their children, JimBob finally decides to get snipped because he feels that this is the message God was sending in giving them the challenge of a premie after so many children. LOL"

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Yes, nothing short of JB stating "'god put it on my heart' that Josie is HIS way of saying 'enough arrows in the quiver, JimBob."

THAT would qualify as a bombshell.

Also as a miracle.

just.me said...

Wait a minute...

Michelle is at the hospital 15 hours a day?

Um...that would be when she's not sick for several weeks (and sending the older girls in her place) and when she's not traveling, like she did to Wisconson?

Anonymous said...

"The bombshell for me would be a double Bates-Duggar wedding or Michelle is 3 months pregnant with twins or triplets."


Or both.

elise said...

finding out the girls have been spiking his tuna and bbq sauce with salt peter would be the bomb.

Enough already! said...

No courting for Jana or JD. I read that they are going on a mission trip to Indonesia for an entire month. I don't think that either of them would be going on this trip if they were embarking on a relationship (whatever that means in Gothard world---a lot of hand sex, mostly, and no time to really get to "know the person", by talking alone!).

Josie going home is no announcement. They've already devoted an entire show to that, and she lasted at home 36 hours. Eventually, God willing, she will go home, if only someone there can take care of her.

It means the only possible announcement could be Michelle's 20th bun in the oven. Hallelujah! Another quiver!

Not a Fundie said...

I think I said this before, but I knew something was extremely off about Michelle saving breastmilk like that. She knows that she could be pregnant again within five months of having Josie (it happened with Jordyn) and her breastmilk supply goes down. I was trying to be optimistic, hoping Michelle was storing massive amounts of breastmilk because she felt it was on of the few things she could do to help Josie, that she had control of. But Michelle believes she has no control over her number and timing of her pregnancies, which is sad. They believe god wouldn't put more on them than they can bear, but I'm not sure if god plays such an active role in reproduction. I know Michelle is deeply affected by having a preemie and love Josie. Perhaps the best thing she could do for her right now is to WAIT a few years before getting pregnant again!

Anonymous said...

I though breastmilk could only be frozen for ~1month for later use...

Sharla said...

Please check the chart here on storing breastmilk.

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/2/t026900.asp#T026901

Anonymous said...

My money is on the announcement having something to do with the Bates. Especially since they have the begginings of a web site. www.lotsofbates.com

just.me said...

Yes, the Bates have "the beginning" of a website.

You can thank good old Josh for the several year delay in finishing this project.

One of his supposed businesses that he's too busy to keep up with...

just.me said...

It seems to me that the missionary program is rather flaky.

Here's one thing that concerns me about this program. They don't require or even suggest vaccinations. That doesn't sound right to me, but perhaps there's a reason?

Here is what it says on the CI site about vaccinations though:

Q: Do foreign Children’s Institutes work just like the ones in the States?
A: Although there are a few differences, the structure of foreign Children’s Institutes is very similar to a stateside one. The language barrier is the main difference, so interpreters are placed on teams as needed.

Q: What is it like to teach through an interpreter? Do the children get anything out of it?
A: By the grace of God, definitely yes! Children at foreign Children’s Institutes are often ignorant of basic spiritual truths that we take for granted. Teaching through an interpreter can be challenging, but it is effective.

Q: Do I book my ticket, or does the Institute do that? Will I be flying overseas by myself or with a group?
A: After you are approved for a trip, IBLP will handle all travel arrangements. You can expect to meet the CI team at an airport in the United States, and travel overseas with the entire group.

Q: What immunizations are required for travel to Taiwan, Malaysia, or Singapore?
A: No immunizations are required for travel to any of these countries.

Q: I would love to do something like this, but it is so expensive. I just don’t have the finances for it right now…
A: $1,200, $1,800, or $2,200 is a lot of money. However, think about it in the following terms: “How much do I need to save per day in order to do the _____ CI trip next year?” It might actually be possible to save the money! Seek the Lord on this matter. Some students are lead to raise support via letters; some are supported by their church. If the Lord wants you at a foreign seminar, He will provide the means for you to do it.


Don't you love the part about how you are still reaching people even though you don't speak the language?!

pumpkin said...

The Bates Family's website has been "under construction" for over a year. (Not unlike their house, har har).

I first discovered it last summer while trying to find a website that listed their children's names and ages.

That's nothing new, unfortunately.

Not a Fundie said...

Breastmilk stoerd ina deep freezer with a constant temperature can last 6 months or longer.

Anonymous said...

Couldn't pay me to travel to those countries without appropriate immunizations. Malaria, measles. etc are still rampant in the third world.

ATI is just plain ignorant. I hope none of the kids get sick.

Celestie said...

Couldn't pay me to travel to those countries without appropriate immunizations. Malaria, measles. etc are still rampant in the third world.

ATI is just plain ignorant. I hope none of the kids get sick.

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I have spent a lot of time in those countries, and I agree. Plus sanitation is quite different, and food preparation is iffy at best. They have delicious food, but their cleanliness is not the same as ours. The water often contains micro bugs, that our systems are not use to. I wonder how much time do they spend learning about the culture, before they inflict their belief systems on the citizens of Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia? After all these peoples are not heathens. They have religions and cultures in place.

Kitten said...

"Not required" is not the same as "not necessary." Hope the Duggars are smart enough to check the CDC travel site recommendations before they go, and make their own decisions about immunizations.

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/

just.me said...

I fear that the Duggars are more likely to place their faith in God than they are to vaccinate their children.

I don't want this family to have to lose one of their children before they start respecting a more normal way of life.

Their blind faith will lead to tragedy, and I truly wish there were a way to help them see through their nutty religion.

Kitten said...

After all these peoples are not heathens. They have religions and cultures in place.

Ah, but you are wrong, grasshopper. To the Duggars and their ilk, they are heathens, because they are not Christians. It matters not what they believe, if it is not God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost. Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, Buddhists, Jains, Wiccans - none are spared.

Anonymous said...

I did not know the Duggars did not immunize. I find it interesting the different beliefs people have. Not ok for birth control but any measure to keep a child alive. Many variations that do not belong here. What an interesting world.

Kitten said...

Just a note - does anyone know if the Duggars immunize or not? What is ATI's stance on immunizations?

The original comment was about ATI (not the Duggars specifically) not requiring immunizations for the Asian trip, which was seen as a bit risky by some (including me), due to CDC recommendations.

Just didn't want any misperceptions being created.

just.me said...

Kitten,

I didn't mean to imply that the Duggars do not immunize their children. I was just pointing out that this trip does not require them.

If anyone knows, I'd be curious to know if the Duggars immunize their children.

CappuccinoLife said...

It's just fun to start rumors, whether they have basis in fact or not.

Vaccinations not required means nothing except that one does not have to get a particular vaccination in order to get a visa into that country. Some countries do require vaccinations before issuing a visa.

That small note on the mission website gives absolutely no information as to whether the Duggars vaccinate, or whether they will choose specific vaccinations for this trip.

And, whatever position the Duggars take on vaccination, they are in the company of many others with a wide variety of beliefs and lifestyles. Vaccine rejectionism is hardly limited to ATI families.

Anonymous said...

Vaccination rejectionism happens to be rampant among ATI types, because they reject most medical intervention (except, of course, when they need it, like the Duggars right now with Josie).

They believe in spiritual healing and most, if not almost all, fundamentalist Gothard types and their ilk, do not vaccinate.

Whether or not the Duggars do or do not, I have no idea. But they follow Gothard pretty closely, so there is reason to think that they may not.

abbey said...

I've been doing some looking at Gothard/ATI sites, and have come to the conclusion that the Duggars are involved in what is essentially a cult. Bill Gothard, who is apparently unmarried and childless, has established a religious empire based on his interpretation of Biblical scriptures. He reminds me of David Koresh in that both interpret scripture to their own ends.

What saddens me is that the Duggars have allowed themselves to be exploited by TLC, at the expense of their children--and of their own faith. Based on the show, we know very, very little about the tenets of their faith.

TLC portrays them as a Christian family with many children, yet their true beliefs have not been revealed.

Gothard/ATI, while perhaps not a cult in the same sense as Koresh or the fundamentalist latter day saints, is a belief system that appears to be so completely authoritarian as to run counter to the principles of Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the bombshell is: Jana is moving out on her own to pursue an education and career. Or, has run away and taken a lover. J&A are pregnanat again! Anna is divorcing Josh because a recent brainscan showed shrinkage from close proximity to under education and brainless cousins. The possibilities are endless!

Anonymously Yours said...

"Gothard/ATI, while perhaps not a cult in the same sense as Koresh or the fundamentalist latter day saints, is a belief system that appears to be so completely authoritarian as to run counter to the principles of Jesus."

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Excellently said. I still struggle with the how's and why's of willingly joining up with any group that encourages unthinking obedience and, for women, subservience.

IMO, MaDuggar is doing a disservice to her daughters.

As for PaDuggar, he seems the type to bask in his Patriarchal role.

My expectations for the Duggars, especially Ma and Pa, are extremely low.

Anonymous said...

"Here's one thing that concerns me about this program. They don't require or even suggest vaccinations. That doesn't sound right to me, but perhaps there's a reason?"
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The list provided only states that no vaccinations are required for Taiwan, Singapore and Malaysia. Maybe these countries don't need them, but other might. I'm sure these aren't the only places they travel to.

wildflowers said...

I am going to repeat something I posted last week:

In an interview Michelle was asked if she is pregnant now - her answer was "You never know!" I thought that was disgusting at the time but really hoped there would be some common sense used.

But I think she probably is again. How, even in their minds, can this be justified.

Anonymous said...

If Michelle does have an overabundance of breast milk stored, I would hope that it would go into one of those "banks" whereby another baby who needs it (mom is sick, on medication, etc...) can use it.

-Katydid

Swissmiss said...

As far as Michelle saying "You never know" re pregnancy, I guess if you don't practice birth control, she COULD be pregnant when asked - or she might not.

Debbie said...

Okay. After reading these posts, I realize I am done with the family. I used to be a big fan of Michelle and Jim Bob although I never subscribed to their way of life. I thought Michelle was deluded and out of touch but salt-of-the-earth at the same time. Now I cannot stand what the Duggars are doing to their daughters. The only reason I have been tracking this family is in the futile hope that one of the girls will escape via an early marriage. Not the best scenario but better than 24-7 work with no time off. I'm hoping the bombshell is an engagement of one of the girls and am praying that they will not be abused in their marriages. I won't be supporting this family by watching anymore. I'll get my news from this blog thank you.

Anonymous said...

I'm concerned with the issue of immunizations for the upcoming mission trip also..

But, let's be more " fundamental", shall we? How much E. Coli do you all think Josie will be exposed to once she joins the circus again?
I was thinking about the toddlers still in diapers, which leak, and how the older girls have the responsibilities for the children plus the cooking.

Where does housecleaning and overseeing almost constant hand washing come into the picture? If you have 19 or so hungry people, and 2 toddlers with dirty diapers, do you really worry about cleaning the kitchen counters well?

I'm so afraid for Josie. I also think she has a genetic syndrome of some sort which is unrelated to her prematurity in that the prematurity did not cause the syndrome. I know she does not have Progeria, the rapid aging syndrome, because it does not show any manifestations this early.

Anonymous said...

re:I won't be supporting this family by watching anymore. I'll get my news from this blog thank you.
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I feel the same way.enough already.just enough.

What IS the magic number said...

If JB's "goal" is to "get to #20"--and I say that because it's been suggested that might bethe case basedon things he has said, then what then..? I mean, AFTER #20 has made his or her emergence? They stop? The goal has been reached? They keep going? I mean, every one ages, and yes that DOES include M.D....so does "21" become the new magic number? And why are these kids numbers,anyway? I seewhat has happened here, the progression of kids as "numbers", the growing dis-attachment of M.D., the ever-increasing responsibilities of their shall we say, cloistered daughters, and I just want to retch. Enough is no longer enough. "Enough" should have been ages ago!

Anonymous said...

Okay, maybe this has been posted already (I haven't read them all), but I have this gut feeling that the "bomb" will be that they have taken permanent measures to have no more children. Don't know why, but that's the feeling I'm getting. Guess we'll see....

mythoughtis said...

it's been a month, there is no show to watch... anyone hear wht the bombshell turned out to be?