Questions - There Are Questions

I'm genuinely curious. For a website titled, "Duggars without pity," why are there so many posters who seem determined to defend each and every move the Duggars make, and each and every single comment that is critical? I see comments where single sentences are quoted from another poster and the sole purpose is to "prove" that the original poster is wrong. It strikes me that the name of the blog is not "In relentless support of the Duggars." I read the posting guidelines and didn't see anything that addressed this issue.

By Anonymous (our dearly beloved friend)

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Excellent original post. I'd like to know why some commenters think the Duggars walk on water.

They don't walk on water, and, they don't "encourage" me at all.

Sharla said...

On Television Without Pity which obviously this site takes off on, there are people who do like the shows, actors, characters, etc. and those who dislike the same. It is not We Loathe the Duggars and Everthing They Do.

However, it is also not We Love the Duggars and They Can Do No Wrong.

Some individual readers may fall into one of the above categories, but the majority do not. Most of the readers seem to fall into the not liking most of what the Duggars do or liking most of what the Duggars do. Very few readers seem to be they are completely right or completely wrong. I think what happens is similar to it takes 20 you did so well to your kid to compensate for one you messed up. We can read 10 to 20 comments that agree with our view and the one that doesn't agree sticks out in our minds.

Next?

Jaime Lynn said...

I am confused. Is this site for or against the Duggars? Or a neutral facts only site?

Another Anonymous said...

Dearly Beloved Anonymous, I am SO glad you brought this up. I, too, have questioned this very thing.

And thanks to Sharla for allowing us to address this curiosity.

I have wondered WHY and HOW viewers are:

a) able to believe everything they see on a 'reality' show (is it because the Duggars claim to be 'christian', and, so, by definition, are considered by these viewers above the standards of every other 'reality' show?)

and

b) how is it these viewers SO identify with these TV characters that any negative comment about a TV persona feels to these viewers like a personal affront?

and finally

c) Why do these viewers get so upset with viewers who do not like the Duggars yet give the parents, who choose to put their family up for scrutiny and debate, a free pass for creating this very situation by signing on with TLC?

I have been puzzled, amazed even, by this phenomenon.

I've never been able to understand the latitude given on Gosselins WoP vs. the egg shell walking on Duggars WoP.

My final statement is that I think Sharla does a great job of allowing both sides to express themselves. It's just odd to me that Duggar fans so personalize comments that the rest of us have to tippy toe around even though these people are choosing to make $ by making their alleged family life tv entertainment. Because of this decision of Mr. & Mrs. Duggar, I believe this show, and its characters, are fair game for critique and, yes, criticism.

Hello, it's a 'reality' show. It's a BRAND. Getting upset with people for not liking the Duggars is like getting upset with people for not liking the character of Mr. Clean or Tony, The Tiger.



Really an interesting thing going on here.

Sharla said...

The blog itself is neither for or against nor a facts only site. It's for reasonable discussion and stating your opinion and reading what others have to say. It is not for debate. In discussing "facts," we will sometimes reject comments that we know are out and out incorrect especially if they have been addressed repeatedly. Although sometimes will let them incorrect statements through so others may correct the misunderstanding.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I personally think this blog is really a great place for everyone to discuss. It allows anyone to express opinion or fact, negative or positive. I like having differences in opinions between everyone, and having an interesting, well-rounded discussion. Even though I do not agree with many commmenters, I respect that everyone has an opinon they wish to share.

Anonymous said...

I think this is one of the best, if not the best, blog for discussing the Duggars. I used to post on TWOP, but it's pretty miserable over there, with over-zealous moderators waiting to pounce on any imagined or real infraction of the rules.

I am one of those who is mostly critical of the Duggars, but I am not bothered by those who are their strong fans. I welcome hearing all viewpoints. I like that this blog requires civil discussion. I think this blog is a great example and lesson that people with widely different beliefs or viewpoints can indeed have give and take without resorting to flame wars or name calling.

If I ever feel someone is trying to beat a point home, especially one I personally disagree with, I usually just tune that person out for awhile. Sometimes people have to agree to disagree.

I'm truly grateful to have this blog available to me for my comments, and so I try to abide by the rules so it doesn't go away :)

Anonymous said...

This is geared toward the Duggar older children. As a watcher of the show, I am a bit concerned about some of the contradictions that I have noticed. A list of contradictions follow, from an educated professional, a wife and a mother(me!)

They are paid by a production company and network, which both have objectionable and questionable material shown nightly. They will take the $, but do not support the decisions of the companies as to what they show.

They use medical and technology services, although they don't seem to support their children in the pursuit of higher education, in order to pursue these occupations.

They purport to love their daughters so much, yet they subject them to raising the younger children. Do the daughters have any say in Michelle's pregnancies? They should, as they are the ones who are basically raising the little ones.

The daughters are wearing makeup, and makeup is worn to attract the opposite sex-it has been worn for that purpose since Cleopatra put natural dark lines around her eyes. Yet, that would not be a point of discussion, I assume.

They are subjecting their children to be the objects of derision in the big bad world of national tv, something I would never do, but yet they are so fearful of the big bad world.

They allow their children to run wildly around the house, use heavy machinery, etc., but they don't want them to participate in any age appropriate sports.

They say that they want to home school their children because they don't want them corrupted, yet why do I get the impression that part of the reason is because getting them to school, on time, would just be too darn hard?

We all rationalize our decisions and we all must question that tendency. So, I am hoping that one of those older Duggar children says to their parents, "I love you, but I plan on going to college away from home. I hope you will help me in this experience, but if you don't, I will make it happen. While I love my younger siblings, I am not going to spend my later teens and early 20's raising them (of course this only applies if a daughter is talking). While I feel guilty about leaving my older siblings to do all the work, I realize that they could leave as well. I will never be young, vibrant and alive again. I hope you can give me your blessing, but if not, I understand."

I would ask the older Duggar children to truly think of yourself at this time in your life. Your parents have been allowed to make decisions for themselves. It is now your turn. If you go along, without contemplating what I have stated, some of you might terribly resent the decision. Your path must feel as if it is your decision, not something decided by others. Resentment is a horrible legacy-leave it behind and go towards your future!

I realize that some of the above might contradict your religious belief, but please ask yourself why that is and think logically about the coming years and what your goals are. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

As many, I see it as a place to discuss where criticism won’t be rejected. However, sometimes I read something that IMO, is missing a component/perspective/reason, just as some do with my own comments. Sometimes it’s too “I heart duggars” and other times it’s too “they can do no right”, so keeping in mind that the people we see on tv are still real people, that sometimes gets me writing in either direction. I try to always add that in the end, all the kids have their free-will and can choose to get out – but that’s just to show that I don’t personally think anyone’s in danger or anything, despite my personal dislike of how they’re being raised. I think the blog is well-balanced and well-monitored. Don’t change it!

Anonymous said...

PS - Anyone else get a HUGE laugh out of a commercial for Plan B (commonly called "the morning after pill") running in the misdt of an episode a while back??? I heart Jim Bob and Michelle's hearts skip a beat for miles away!!

(does challenge the question of their motives for being on tv - spreading "good" values - on a network that's sponsored by what they deplore and that is NOTORIOUS for its trashy family-exploiting shows)

Reality TV Junkie said...

The daughters are wearing makeup, and makeup is worn to attract the opposite sex-it has been worn for that purpose since Cleopatra put natural dark lines around her eyes. Yet, that would not be a point of discussion, I assume.
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Many women use make-up to look nice, therefore feel better about themselves. It may sound superficial, but it's human nature to want to look good. Maybe they do use make-up to attract the opposite sex, maybe one of them is ready for courting, but I believe they think it's a woman's job to look nice. I also feel that when I wear make-up, it helps me to become more productive. Perhaps the girls feel the same way.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for the original post! I first started reading this blog around the time Anna's brother-in-law posted a description of the wedding. I did not understand why it was named "Without Pity" & have found myself since then compelled to check & see what the "Duggar Defenders" say, then get upset. On the main page it even seems a Duggar Defender sent the moderator an abusive email saying this blog was too critical.

This is all bewildering & so frustrating to me. I see overpopulation as the basis or starting point for every environmental & social problem today. It took all of human history for the world population to reach 3 billion in the 1960s & then it doubled in only 40 years. But the Duggars ignore this. They genuinely believe they are having all of those kids for Jesus & biblical patriarchy. Total literal interpretation of the bible. I am also against homeschooling except in special circumstances.

The only reason I can come up with for the Duggar Defence comments & nitpicking is that perhaps they are "like-minded." I have read on the Botkin Sisters Visionary Daughters blog that it is called "defending their faith."

New Jersey

Sharla said...

I let New Jersey's comment through even though it's tripping on or maybe over the edge of criticizing other commenters. Some valid points are made but please remember the Duggars are the topic not the other readers and commenters. Thanks.

Kitten said...

The JOY approach Michelle continuously espouses is a hard one for me, simply because it seems as though Michelle and JimBob don't really buy into the "O" part for themselves, only for their children. If they truly believed in "Others before yourself," it would seem they would 1) reflect on the burden they have placed on their older children to support their way of life and the household they created, and 2) they would encourage their older children to examine their own lives and desires and preferences and make their own life choices, just as JimBob and Michelle did when they were in their late teens.

The other part that is hard is something that other posters have mentioned as well. If you have been raised with JOY pounded into your head day and night, then any attempt to say "This is what *I* want to do" would seem to create a huge angst when it contradicts the "need" of others. At some point, if all you do is serve others, you are going to experience feelings of resentment, frustration, anger and despair. It is the "caretaker syndrome," commonly seen in people who have the full care of someone without any relief or the chance to take care of themselves now and then.

It would take a strong person to reject his/her lifelong indoctrination and stand up and say "This is what would make me happy, even though it inconveniences you and makes your life more difficult." I applaud Jana and John David for having the gumption to do something as small as going on an ATI mission trip for several weeks. Hopefully, that experience proved to them that life in the Duggar house would go on without them. Perhaps that will spark them and others to make even bolder decisions about their futures.

Mary said...

I for one view this blog as a discussion place. I sometimes watch the Duggars, sometimes I don't. I am not generally critical of the Duggars but I don't agree with everything they do either. I have also learned quite a bit from the posts here. Someone will post about something and I have researched it to learn more on the subject.

I enjoy the fact that I can come here and read how both sides view the Duggars and the show.

Anonymous said...

I am in general a Duggar fan, and I don't think they walk on water. I think they are a good family, good people, with good hearts that I admire. That's it, plain and simple. There are many people/families whom I admire in my life,for different reasons - perfection and water-walking isn't a requirement - otherwise I wouldn't find anyone to admire.

Sometimes I write a post critcizing or questioning something the Duggars do. Sometimes I write a post defending them. I feel that they are critized and nitpicked sometimes beyond all reason, and some of the faultfinding seems unreasonable at times to me, so I will write a post that tries to display a more reasonable take on the situation. I've also found that there is a lot of assumptions made about the Duggars that aren't based on fact. I hate seeing anyone unjustly accused for anything, and my instinct is to defend the Duggars in these situations, when the facts support it. It's the lawyer in me.

I don't believe "everything I see on TV" but it seems a lot of the Duggar dislikers do believe everything they see on the show, and see it through their lenses of dislike, also not taking into account the ability of the editors and producers to portray pretty much anything they want. I recognize I am liable to do this as well, since I like the family in general, and I always try to guard against this and use common sense and good reasoning when I draw my conclusions.

I also have differing opinions than most people do regarding the "overpopulation problem", and there are different valid perspectives on this controversial issue. This also colors my opinion of this family.

So for the record, not all of us Duggar Defenders are automatically "like-minded rabid uneducated Duggar fans". I read this blog because I appreciate and find interesting the different views here. I think those of us who sometimes disagree with the general consensus of negative posts should still be allowed to contribute and introduce perhaps an alternative perspective that others might be interested in reading. I think the mods do a good job of balancing the blog to achieve this. It would be boring if it was nothing but constantly picking these people apart.

bonehead said...

I think mostly at this site, everyone here is really trying hard to understand the Duggars, their world, lifestyle, values, thinking, child raising, etc and the most important is why so many children. Most of us, know the cop-out reason, Gods choice. In this day and age, that does not wash. Also we all know that both Jimbob and Michelle, grew up like most of us, with TV, pants, rock music, college, dating,etc and can't figure out why they did a 360 turn. Some will say they found God, ok, but I know a lot of people who found God again, but do not live a semi-extreme life style, like the Duggars do. Yes, it is good that Shari, does zap a few of the comments, I've been zap a few times, I'll live. But, she does allow a lot on here. There is a lot I don't agree with the Duggars life style, there are a few things I like(not much). JMO

bonehead said...

Sorry Sharla spelled your name wrong.

Iliketheduggars said...

I came here from the GWOP board. Thought Kate was a sham and an abuser from Day One, didn't buy one single iota of her crap, and went online to see if I could find some actual facts about her and the family; on GWOP and others I found plenty.

Since I've known plenty of Quiverfull and fundamentalist families, I watched the Duggar specials and shows with a very cynical eye... but I really couldn't find anything to dislike about them. I came to DWOP to find the "dirt", but as far as I can tell, there really isn't any.

I don't think the Duggars are perfect. I worry about the negative effects of a reality show on the children. I don't share many of their beliefs, but that doesn't affect my opinion of them.

I read here because I'm interested in other perspectives. I post here when I feel I can add information or perspective, or when things swing too far from reality.

I've never felt unwelcome by the monitors for my positive input, so I stay.

Sharla said...

Trust me, bonehead, I'll live through it especially since it isn't my real name. :)

Anonymous said...

Frankly I despise the Duggar "lifestyle" because of its limitations of career choices and freedom on women, exhortations to go forth and overpopulate the planet, recipe for environnmental disaster, lack of advanced education for men and women and other reasons. I have no issues with the Duggar's themselves, they seem nice, it's a free country, go knock yourselves out.

I like reading the discussion on this board because for the most part people give reasons for their nonsupport or support of whatever the Duggars did in the show being discussed. Life isn't black and white and that's what makes it interesting. Some people think it was fine, some think it was akin to kitten juggling.

That said there are a few regular posters who continually seem to want to interject their support of the Duggars that comes from sources OUTSIDE of what we are being shown on TV. I'm not talking personal experience like "I regular bounce my baby on its head and its fine just like Jbaby 4" but I read/went to meet the Duggars and they said/were frugal/awesome.

To me this is a board about discussing a TV show. What we all can see and discuss. Linking to online news articles that everyone can go read, okay. Saying go read the book or go meet them in person because then you'll see how humble and wonderful the Duggars are, I think that's outside the scope of the board and, especially after reading the same comments for months, not appropriate for a board talking about a TV show.

Ally said...

I'm really glad that Anonymous brought this up and that Sharla posted it. It needed discussed.

I too have wondered and frankly felt out of place on here honestly. I don't have a problem with someone else's opinion. I do like the Duggars. I'm not one of those people that think that they walk on water and wear halos. I think that they are good family.

The fact of the matter is, that while there are opinions that are made about the Duggars and like Michelle said that's okay. There are also a wide array of assumptions and incorrect ones at that.

The fact is the only exposure that we really have is one 30 minute episode a week that's edited, whatever is published on TLC and what we see in outside sources.

In my opinion, none of that gives an adequate view of how much income Michelle and JB earn outside of TLC, if they are working at all right now. It doesn't give us an idea of how much housework and childcare they do. How much work do Jana, Jill, Jessa, Jinger and now Joyanna really do? They hardly show the children doing school work and going on trips, but when they take the trips is it every week? is it every day, how often?

I am not one of those uneducated, duggar supporters by any means, I have a degree in Social Work. This means that I've had to do a lot of research papers examining human behavior. Are the Duggars a good family? Are the children doing too much? The answer to that is I don't know, I can make assumptions, I can go with the assumptions that someone that doesn't like them makes.

However, I was taught heavily in coursework to never assume anything good or bad. I am neutral with them, because until I have more facts about the Duggar Family I don't know. In personal opinion, I think they are a good family.

The only recent comments I've made have been about the schooling. To some people that dislike the Duggars, it's seen that the Children get no education or are uneducated at best and that is just not true. I'm sorry, but it isn't. This is not an opinion, this is not criticizing anyone. The fact is they do coursework year around, they do well on State Testing and Jinger and up have gotten a GED, which is not a high level achievement in the eyes of some posters on here that have graduate and post graduate education, but the GED is a comprehensive test of all 12 grades. So the fact that they pass it is saying that they do have knowledge equivalent to a high school graduate.

I do like the Duggar family and I hope that doesn't offend others that don't like them. I haven't meant to step on anyone's toes, just when I see something that is incorrect, I do from time to time post.

Anonymous said...

"Most of us, know the cop-out reason, Gods choice. In this day and age, that does not wash. Also we all know that both Jimbob and Michelle, grew up like most of us, with TV, pants, rock music, college, dating,etc and can't figure out why they did a 360 turn. "


How is that a cop-out? Sure it washes. What does the day and age have to do with it? If anything, that makes it all the more of a plausible reason. That is one of the things I admire most about the Duggars. They aren't influenced or swayed by the popular culture or what is considered normal and accepted. Their values and actions are based entirely on what they feel God wants them to do, and they seem sincere in that. And most amazing, their kids have matured and developed their value system independent of pop culture and the teenage culture that seems to swallow up most youth. I think that is the reason the Duggars did a 180 from the way they grew up, with rock music, dating, etc. They want their kids lives to be focused on God, with no other influences to sway them in their formative years. They have said as much.

I don't think it's a mystery why they do the things they do, from raising their children to having as many of them as they do. Just because some of their reasons might not make sense to some of us doesn't mean they're being dishonest and hiding their true motivations.

CappuccinoLife said...

Huh. And I thought discussion and dialog was something of value. Silly me.

Just because this is a place where people are allowed to criticize the Duggar's freely does not mean it is an exclusive Bash-the-Duggars site.

When I respond to criticisms here, it is usually because I believe they are baseless speculation or just flat out wrong. Sometimes it's just nitpicky and that annoys me. I enjoy the Duggar family for the most part, I disagree with them on many issues, some minor, some major. I would probably point out my disagreements with them more if I weren't so distracted by the can't-win nature of a lot of the comments, or the flat-out hatred in some.

MandySue said...

I just want to throw my two cents in. The Duggars generally get on my nerves. I personally don't think that all 21 of them can be happy at the same time all the time. I think that there are some arguments but we don't see them. I think they have taken away the individuality of their kids. I do think that Michelle is addicted to being pregnant.

I don't mind that Sharla has blocked some of my comments, I have a tendency to be snarky, and that keeps me in line.

I enjoy seeing, reading other points of view. My biggest problem with the I heart Duggars fans is that some seem to be borderline stalking, (Michelle went here for however many days and left Josie with this person) I don't know that much about my own family lol. Some of these people will defend the family regardless of what happens. Foe example they can rationalize why Jim Bob has atv's and golf carts but not all the kids have beds.

Ally said...

I'll try to make this short. I do first of all apologize if I've offended or stepped on anyone's toes with my positive supportive comments about the Duggars. I highly respect the opinions of people who aren't supportive of the Duggars. Like Michelle said, opinions are okay.

Recently, I made posts in support of the Duggars and defending the fact that they do get an education equivalent to that of a high school graduate. There are critics here that don't believe the Duggar Children do any schooling. This is an assumption and a wrong one at that.

I don't mind opinions, I do mind incorrect assumptions. I do not think that the Duggars walk on water or wear halos. I am also not conservative fundamentalist or lack education. I have a degree in social work. The social work curriculum that I went through teaches you not to assume, unless you have complete facts and evidence to back your assumption up with.

Having said that, that's the way that I think. There are many questions about the Duggars and many assumptions, but the fact is that we see 1 30 minute episode a week with material from as much as 3 months ago. We see things that they have posted on TLC and videos and articles that other places have posted. That's it, that's all the insight that we have.

I don't see them 24/7 as I live in Ohio, not Arkansas. So I don't know for sure how much housework and childcare Michelle and Jim Bob actually do. I don't know if he does any work to bring in income. On that note, I don't have access to tax returns or income, so I don't know if TLC pays the majority of the bills. I don't know if the Daughters really do the majority or all of the work 24/7. Until there's evidence that Michelle and Jim Bob are basically sitting around the house doing nothing while the Daughters do everything, then I will believe it.

Until then, I can't make a judgment one way or the other on issues other than the children's schooling, because we know they pass the GED and we know they have to take state tests, so obviously education is happening.

As for the change of heart that Michelle and Jim Bob have had. I have seen that type of change in someone that has become spiritual and in tune with their life path is. I don't mean that they have become God or a Bodhisattva in my religion, but that they are doing what they feel is in their hearts to do. Is it different? Yes, but just like everyone else has the right to choose what's right for them, so do Michelle and Jim Bob and their kids.

Again, I hope I haven't offended anyone. I do respect other people's opinions.

Donna said...

"Their (Duggars) values and actions are based entirely on what they feel God wants them to do, and they seem sincere in that."

Is that a fact? We know for certain that "God" above from Heaven has put his Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval on the Duggar's values and actions? So what that implies is that the rest of us who are not Gothardites are NOT doing what God wants? That the Duggars have the inventory on all of this?

"Just because some of their reasons might not make sense to some of us doesn't mean they're being dishonest and hiding their true motivations."

Actually, it makes great sense to me why the Duggars do what they do:

$$$$$$$$$$$$ and Jim Bob's political aspirations or supporting the political aspirations of their collegues.

The truth of the matter is that Jim Bob and Michelle got to choose their destiny in life and it is a sure bet that some or all of their children will do the same. If not now, then later.

Iliketheduggars said...

"Is that a fact? We know for certain that "God" above from Heaven has put his Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval on the Duggar's values and actions?"

The OP said the Duggars are doing what THEY FEEL God wants them to do. Yeah, I think it's a fact and known for certain that they feel they are doing God's will FOR THEM.

"So what that implies is that the rest of us who are not Gothardites are NOT doing what God wants? That the Duggars have the inventory on all of this?"

Nope. Doesn't imply anything about anyone else. There does seem to be a problem with people INFERRING from it, though.

Celestie said...

That said there are a few regular posters who continually seem to want to interject their support of the Duggars that comes from sources OUTSIDE of what we are being shown on TV.

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This always amazing me. Posters say "we see the Duggars praying in every episode." No we don't, we seldom see them praying, although I will take the Duggars word that they do pray. "We know the children play outside all the time". No we don't, we seldom see the children outside, except on those faux field trips, where they are herded together like sheep and marched along. People just make strange assumptions, based on "we don't see everything" and in the next breath saying "we have seen them do this and that so it must be true".
To me it is just a TV show, to make money for the parents,and the kids are dragged along. Their welfare might be important to the parents, but we are shown it is not as important as having a TV show. I feel as along as they put them selves out there, we have a right to discuss.

Kay said...

Before I say anything, I want to state that this is THE best-moderated Duggar blog on the Internet. This is coming from someone who has had MANY comments rejected (I don't mind-- as MandySue said, Sharla keeps us in line). There's a lot of things I want to say, but I have to hold back because it doesn't fit in with the discussions-- and I appreciate that filter, because: can you imagine the junk we'd see without Sharla's filter?

That said, the beauty of this blog is that we're all here for amicable dialog, discussion, and debate. Coming from posting on sites like Perezhilton (go to the comments to see what degenerates have access to the Internet), this blog is a beautiful thing. Here, if I can state my [founded] opinions and back them up, I can expect answers to my questions and theories from people with completely different perspectives than mine. I'm a recent college grad, and the climate for debate on this blog is not unlike what I experienced in school: strong limitations on HOW we discuss and debate, but no limit on creativity and opinion.

If there are more people on here that are the "defenders" than are "criticizers" (assuming this is the logical opposite), then that's just the way the cookie crumbles. This is a blog that is open for any civilized person to comment on. I don't agree that there are more than one and less of another group-- it seems fairly balanced to me.
I think we just need to be considerate of each other, and not attack each other for matters that are clearly opinion. The Duggar reality show brings together so many different people over so many different creeds... there are many, many Christians on Duggar blogs, but I (an Atheist) post, as do people of other beliefs and backgrounds-- and we have to remember this when we come for debate or discussion.

CappuccinoLife said...

Is that a fact? We know for certain that "God" above from Heaven has put his Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval on the Duggar's values and actions? So what that implies is that the rest of us who are not Gothardites are NOT doing what God wants? That the Duggars have the inventory on all of this?
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Um, their beliving that God has called *them* to a certain lifestyle implies nothing about you, and is not a judgement of you.

I'm not a Gothardite. My kids happily bop to reggae. I don't feel the Duggar's personal convictions are a judgement against me and mine. Why waste the energy creating something to be angry about? That's their belief, that's what they believe God wants for *them*. Why should it matter to you or me?

roddma said...

"Um, their beliving that God has called *them* to a certain lifestyle implies nothing about you, and is not a judgement of you."
'G-d' didn't call them to anything.
Michelle and Jim bob picked this lifestyle not the kids. It seems by reading their book and on other sites they took at face value what some religious teacher or preacher told them to do, not 'God'. Jim bob got a satellite receiver on trade but took it out a few weeks later. He blamed himself for jumping into things.It never occurred to him that maybe a sign from 'God' telling him to have a tv. While true too much tv isn't a good thing, it makes no sense to cut it completely off. They do watch football games or special events on occasion with broadcast.Another thing that bugs me is when I read how the Duggars encourage someone to do this and that. Some forget these are tv personalities that may not be wise to copy.,

Judy said...

In my opinion, the Duggars use God as an excuse for what is really very addictive, obsessive behavior. They are addicted to getting pregnant,having babies, and being in the limelight for it. If the say it is all up to God, I think they think it absolves them from having to think about the consequences. Just my opinion, of course!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how many vehicles with motors JB has cached away on his estate? A Kabota, now that's really expensive! Looks like Dad's buying lots of toys.

Blessings? said...

"Does anyone know how many vehicles with motors JB has cached away on his estate? A Kabota, now that's really expensive! Looks like Dad's buying lots of toys."

Oh, no, he's not "buying" his expensive toys, (i.e. the Kabota), he's just been "blessed" with them (including the Kabota). See how much more nicer that sounds - the word, "blessed." For those that have no home, no food, or the mainstays of life, I guess they're just not as "blessed." This has always been a source of irritation with me as a "Christian", and it's getting worse as I get older and realize the disparity of the haves and have nots. I get so tired of the "God has favorites, and I must be one of His favorites, because he has "blessed" me with this or that." It has become such a fundie buzzword. How about saying "I had the money and I bought it because I wanted it" OR, "Michelle is pregnant again because we have unprotected sex." See, it's how they disguise anything they want: more kids, a Kabota, whatever, it's never that THEY want those things, it's always "God" just "blesses" them with them. It's always ironic how what they want and what God wants always coincides. Hmmm. :)

Anonymous said...

. It's always ironic how what they want and what God wants always coincides. Hmmm.


I doubt they "wanted" to have a baby at 25 weeks that nearly died. I think that they just don't make as big of a deal of the negative things that happen in their life. Their philosophy is God will never give you more than you can handle. I think they handle the blessings and trials quite well. I, for one, would not be able to handle 18 kids at home and one in the hospital for 6 months no matter how much help from the older ones I had. I absolutely love kids but that many at a time just makes me want to crawl up in the fetal position and scream for my momma.

Anonymous said...

IMO it was probably Michelle that made Jim Bob rid of the satellite tv.He said he brought it home without talking to her about it,and some time later they got rid of it.JMO.

Cyn said...

Does anyone know how many vehicles with motors JB has cached away on his estate? A Kabota, now that's really expensive! Looks like Dad's buying lots of toys.
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Just on a purely financial reason wouldn't now be the time to be buying tools, tractors, and construction equipment if you have the room to store them, and the money to pay for them in cash?

With all the different parts of the construction business going under left and right, wouldn't you buy the items now at less than half price so that you could resell them LATER at a much higher price when construction picks back up again... and in the meantime rent them out to people that may need the equipment but can't afford to buy them flat out right now. LOL maybe they are building the next sons business in equipment rental...

Foreclosure auctions on businesses where these types of equipment is sold are on the rise. Jimbob has the money, the space to store it, and they have been doing this all along it's how they got almost 100,000 worth of industrial equipment for the "cafe" kitchen for less than 11,000.

Anonymous said...

Agree with Cyn this is probably what's happening. Remember when we bought that scissor lift thing that they used last season? He said he found it at an auction super cheap and it was for sale. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is the next sons occupation. There is a lot of money to be made on that in Arkansas.

Anonymous said...

So JimBob takes the golf garts, atv's, etc on a flat bed trailer to homeschooling events because the other homeschooling families are going to buy them?

That explains the atv's and why he's not buying the kids beds

Cyn said...

We've seen the ATV's and golf carts for several seasons I assumed the poster was talking about the tractors, and construction equipment around the house with the Kabota comment.

They talked about where they got the ATV's and golf carts and why they had them when we saw them the first time(several seasons ago), if the "toys" are now newer or more of them that makes sense as well. They DO have more money, they have more older children able to drive them, and more children to haul around, and they have been trading up all along.

As for the amount of stuff they took they are taking 20+ people, they would need the clothes, the food, bedding, etc. And wasn't the ATI trip combined with other trips that had them pretty much camping out in and around the bus for over a month? (I mean did they come back home between trips this summer cause I can't remember)

Anonymous said...

With all the different parts of the construction business going under left and right, wouldn't you buy the items now at less than half price so that you could resell them LATER at a much higher price when construction picks back up again...
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It does make good business sense, yet it feels morally wrong to profit from others misery. However, I can see Mr. Duggar's business savvy taking the fore on this one.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it great that Jim Bob is able to get that bus so cheaply. I guess the previous owner just didn't deserve to be as "blessed" as he. Nice to be able to make profits on the backs of those who aren't as fortunate. those who don't have a TV show to supplement their incomes. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

My point was that JimBob has no problem buying things like atv's, golf carts etc but the little kids are sleeping on portable cribs with mattresses that thin.

Celestie said...

When the family was at some conference and they took or drove the bus, a couple of SUVs, a big red truck and golf cats and ATVs, they said it was because they could give other or older people a lift. I always saw the toys full of Duggars.
I think Jim Bob is smart to buy things when the opportunity arises, but he doesn't need to be so gleeful about other people's misfortune.

He reminds me of the old Snake Oil salesmen of yor.

Cyn said...

Personally I don't think they actually sleep at night in the port-a cribs, and I'm basing that on something Jinger said... Johannah on down "sleep where every they want" I'm betting the little ones sleep in which ever of the big girls beds they want.

Which I don't agree with but with the way they built the house there isn't room in the girls rooms to put in bunk beds, so I don't know what they are going to do... I think the pack and plays are for naps. Frankly though I would have thought they would at least have THOUGHT about what they were going to do with the kids they kept having, and leave room for things like bunk beds in the girls room as well as in the boys room.

I think one of the adults needs to lose an office, turn Michelle's upstairs office into a bedroom for the smaller kids with toddler beds for now, and be the time they need to move up maybe the older girls will have married or moved out.

Michelle's office while bigger than JimBob's now, COULD be used as a bedroom as it's right across the hall from their bedroom now, and further away from the older girls room.

The rocking chair said...

"Michelle's office while bigger than JimBob's now, COULD be used as a bedroom as it's right across the hall from their bedroom now, and further away from the older girls room."

Michelle has an office? Fine, put the rocking chair that's currently in the girls room in there and let her take care of her own babies at night by rocking them, soothing them, whatever. Those poor girls deserve their sleep. They are not the mommies, she is.