Tuesday, September 7, Testy Duggars

The Duggars are one big, happy family now that Josie is home. Watch as the family gets used to life with a preemie, which includes meeting a new doctor who tests Josie's development and growth.

30 minutes

88 comments:

Reality TV Junkie said...

"Testy Duggars" sounds like an unusual (possibly irrelevant?) title for the show.

By the way, I love Johannah's new haircut. Super cute.

Anonymous said...

It seems that she decided to see a hair dresser. Wasn't there a whole episode about how duggars (specifically the girls) save money by doing perms and cuts at home?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I did not notice a hair cut on Joahana. Maybe she cut her hair herself and they were forced to take her to a specialist. It will be interesting to see if they mentioned who cut her hair and why. I am looking forward to this new episode.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I noticed in the commercial for todays' episode, Michelle was trying to explain to Jordyn "No touch baby, no touch baby," when Jordyn was wanting to touch Josie. I really think that Michelle should speak with proper grammar, especially to the little ones who are only learning to speak fluently.

I also find it great how Josie will be kept in Michelle and Jim Bob's room for the most part, as I believe it is very important for her to be in quiet surroundings.

Last thing, let's hope at this doctor's appointment, we don't see any naked baby.

Protect Josie! said...

Jenny is the one with the speech problem, and Michelle has talked in baby talk to her too.

Hopefully Josie will be protected from all the germs and handling, but I am not that optimistic. They haven't taken her traveling yet (I don't think) but have had a lot of visitors, which will become increasingly dangerous during RSV season.

I wonder who will be paying the $2K a month for her Synagis shots? Medicaid?

Anonymous said...

"I wonder who will be paying the $2K a month for her Synagis shots? Medicaid? "

Why is it assumed that the Duggars don't have insurance that would pay for this, or anything else Josie might need? Was there something said on an episode that I missed? I've read a few things about the Duggars and have heard them emphasize that they don't use government assistance. Besides, I'm sure they make way too much money to qualify for assistance, medical or otherwise. Did I miss something?

Anonymous said...

SUNGLasses to bed?

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who notices that it appears the Duggars don't sleep in pajamas? Every time they are woken up they all have regular clothes on. Also, Michelle said Josie's first 2 years will be hard because of germs and will spend most of her time in JB/M's bedroom. When the next baby comes along (I feel an announcement any day now) does this mean there will be 2 babies in the master bedroom?

Anonymous said...

I worry about Jennifer. I think her parents are in denial about the speech issues she exhibits.

amanda said...

I loved this episode!

pumpkin said...

I laughed at this episode, it's like the editors are reading this blog...

1. Jinger's high school diploma
2. Jill and Jana talking about college and career plans
3. John David, Jill, and Jana taking classes
4. Michelle showing affection to her kids
5. Jinger teaching the kids
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Am I missing anything?

What other questions would we like them to answer next week?

Sarah said...

I found the language level used with Jordyn to be age appropriate. At that stage, they are learning the basic words for communication, not all the little connecting words that aren't necessary for comprehension of basic ideas. Does Michelle talk that way (No touch baby) to the 3, 4, and 5 year olds?
When you hear someone first learning a foreign language, they often speak the same way, using the basic words required for meaning. The other words will come.
I also found this episode enlightening in that they addressed the questions people have asked (or things people have assumed) about the high school graduates' future plans. Apparently, the young people aren't really being held for slave labor by their parents after all.

Sisi said...

I suspect that the Duggars are on an insurance policy either paid for or subsidized by TLC (the same way its "subsidized" as a benefit)

What I didn't appreciate about the episode is the feeling that the kids, especially the girls, have no prospects for a profession or for growth outside of the home. Who is to say that they will find the perfect husband who will be a good provider for them and their brood? What ever happened to planning for the future?
These kids talk about being nurses etc... a noble profession, but htey also say that they can't fathom leaving home, and unfortunately they really must to get the proper education. They aren't going to Community College as far as I can tell and a GED only gets a kid so far.
I would prefer to see these kids go to those weird home school colleges over staying at home with no higher education. At least living in a dorm gives the kids a taste of independence and introduces them to a wider variety of future spouses.

mythoughtis said...

This was an interesting episode. Glad to see Jana and Jill taking first responder classes. Good chance for Jill to see if the medical field really does interest her.

Can someone please tell Jim Bob and Michelle that they don't hve to be filmed kissing goodbye every time they leave the house?

Michelle commented about how she could tell what Josie needed, like burping... as if she's not been able to do that with her other kids.

Other parts of the episode seemed geared toward comments made on various blogs

For example, Jill's comments about college, in that it sounds like they are at least considering brick and mortar colleges. Also,the comments about :they could choose to move out if they wanted it, and if they could afford it. Of course, the girls would have to find jobs first.

Michelle made her strongest statement yet that she wanted number 20... regardless of public or medical opinion. Sounds like the doctors have mentioned she might have another premie if she gets pregnant again.

Hi_TLC!!! said...

"Am I missing anything?"

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They talked about all the toys the kids play with!!!

Snap! said...

I really liked the Duggars on this episode! They seemed more real and loving. Real hugs and kisses- Jessa graduating and Michelle being honest about her fertility. They were more like a family we can identify with.

Judy said...

I don't think it's that the kids are "being held for slave labor" but that the way the Duggars raise their children, it is a given that the kids will stay home until marriage and then have a large amount of children while the husbands work and the wives assist them and raise the family.

Why are eighteen through twenty year old girls toilet training their siblings and changing their diapers? Why is Michelle so surprised that she is able to read Josie's cues so well -- could it be because she is not normally with her babies this intensely? And why does Jim Bob, after nineteen children, feel uncomfortable with an infant, no matter what her special needs are?

cupcake said...

Did anyone else notice that the previews for next weeks episode is "Michelle lets her hair down" and Jill is taking over!!! Who knew that! Then Jana will be her back-up! Number 20 is coming that is why Jill is going to be the main caretaker for Josie! Also, can someone please give Michelle another blouse to wear besides that green one? And how about a decent stroller too?

mythoughtis said...

Next comment:

Why did JoHannah need to ask what Josie's name was.. has she forgotten her already?

Glad to see that the kids do get a diploma (at least Jinger did). Jim Bob stated she had her GED last year... did she have to complete additional requirements to get a diploma? Glad to see she got a graduation party (appeared to be one, anyway).

Noticed Jinger helping teach... maybe she'll go in to teaching. Also concerned, though, as I think she's not educated enough yet. Even teacher aides have to have some college under their belt in over to be in the classroom.
But,then, it appeared that the kids were following some kind of a structured program with workbooks, etc. That's nice to see.

bonehead said...

I was right it will be Jill who will be Josie buddy. I also think that from the way Jill was talking, that she has been taking classes in nursing on-line. Just enough to take care of Josie, not enough to take the exam or classes that have labs. I also think that James is a little ADAH, he does have an issue in learning to do what he is told. And how old is Jennifer? should she not be already potty trained? anyone?

Mom of 2 said...

Jennifer didn't know Josie's name and Jessa graduated.

Sarah said...

The "slave labor" comment above was in sarcasm, and it was apparent to me that Jill was saying that their parents have not projected any expectations on their kids. Obviously the parents are letting Jana explore her various interests (being a doula, nursing, music) and are letting her make the decisions. She hasn't made her mind up, obviously, which isn't uncommon at that age. Of course, it's more common for young people to be handling that indecision while at college (or beyond), but she hasn't chosen that route. And it was also stated by Jill that the girls have chosen to stay at home.
It's also not odd for an 18 year old to be changing a younger sibling's diapers. Why not? I did it when I was 8 and if I had had a baby sibling as a teen, I'm sure I would've done it then too. The potty training, while usually the mom's job, is just one more task that is delegated since the family is so large (and potty training can be a full-time chore for a little while, something that Michelle really can't handle while also taking care of a preemie. That could happen in a family with two children).
Also, I think it's perfectly natural for a dad to be nervous in handling a preemie, with the oxygen tank, etc. I'm sure that's much more nerve-wracking than handling a healthy, full-term baby.

Anonymous said...

I felt bad for Joy when her mom hugged a brother and irgoned her.

hannah said...

I metioned that I would like to see take a cpr clas. aand trhey did.lol

Steve knight said...

When you are trained a certain way you don't have choices because you are burdened with guilt and fears if you do. All the daughters have been trained to be SAHD's from the beginning. They brought it up in the show because so many people have been commenting on it.
Just because they have commented saying all the daughters are free and really only want to stay at home and raise little ones that is what they were trained for. That is what is normal for all the girls.

Anonymous said...

What was their "special meeting" in Michigan? Anyone know?

Suzie said...

"What was their "special meeting" in Michigan? Anyone know?"

A paid speaking engagement just after Mr. Ruark's funeral, IIRC. Check June's archive; I'm sure someone linked to the blog...I remember seeing pictures.

Anonymous said...

I really enjoyed this episode. Good insight into what's really going on with some of the older ones and lots of commentary from the older ones. Usually we just get Michelle and Jim Bob.
This episode felt like their real life, not just a trip.
I love the younger girls' haircuts too!

nccalgal said...

"Am I missing anything?"

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They made sure that Michelle gave Jordyn attention. She has been labeled "the forgotten Duggar" so they had Michelle talk about her and when she came back from the Dr. appt. someone lifted her up so Michelle would give her a kiss.

nccalgal said...

I was pleased that John David got so much camera time. He's one of the shy ones so he's usually in the background and seldom comments. I thought he seemed more comfortable in the "hot seat" than he had been before. I'd rather they used him as the spokesperson than Josh or Jill. He's just easier to take with his laid back personality.

That was Predictable! said...

I thought it was hilarious that everything mentioned on this blog and others, about Michelle never hugging the kids, about GEDs and so forth, was "covered" in this episode! Thanks Sean! Good work.

Actually, it was telling that while Michelle was doing the camera-only hugging of Jordyn, little Jordyn was looking away and not hugging and kissing back, or even laying her head on her mama's shoulder. My babies, toddlers, preschoolers (heck, even my high school girl still) always hugged back and laid their head down on me. Jordyn looked detached from her mother, because, of course, her mother does not routinely pay any attention to her. It seemed like that move was just done for the camera, as was the rest of the hugging, which we have never seen in five years of filming.

Josie still does not look well to me. She would be about five months old, adjusted age, and she still does not even seem to be holding up her head securely. I haven't seen her with anything in her hands, or playing with toys, or even batting at anything like most babies are doing by three months. It was great to see her cooing in the preview for next week, but that is also a skill months behind her adjusted age. I wouldn't be surprised if she has serious developmental delays.

Michelle was prepping the viewers for the announcement of number 20. Just the way she has clearly passed Josie off to Jill, and her defense of her decision to go ahead with "whatever the Lord decides", and how it is behind her and her Lord, not the viewers or critics, means it is full steam ahead.

If Josie has significant special needs, with Jill give up her dreams of her own family so that she can stay home forever and care for Josie?

Anonymous said...

Whichever lost boy got the hug from Michelle looked bewildered, like "what the heck? I didn't see that coming since it never has before".

Jordyn looked surprised too. She didn't cuddle back. I think none of those kids are used to affection and the hugging we saw last night was just done for our benefit, because viewers have commented on how detached Michelle seems from her children.

Ally said...

1. Jinger's high school diploma
2. Jill and Jana talking about college and career plans
3. John David, Jill, and Jana taking classes
4. Michelle showing affection to her kids
5. Jinger teaching the kids
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I'm glad that yesterday's show covered those issues. It's good to hear about their education and career plans. It was bound to come up sometime.

I do agree with some of the other people, that doing things like helping a sibling learn or changing a sibling's diaper isn't the sign of a bad or neglectful parent, it's just an older child, who is still living in their parent's home at 18 years or older.

I do think it's great that Jana is figuring out what she wants to do. I know some people may be frustrated that she doesn't know what she wants to do, but thousands of high school and college students are struggling with this too.

Anonymous said...

"When you are trained a certain way you don't have choices because you are burdened with guilt and fears if you do. "


Isn't this the case with any family that teaches their kids to be certain things? If a family teaches their daughters that they are expected to do the opposite - get college degrees and careers outside the home, wouldn't they then be burdened with guilt and fear if they didn't measure up to this? What if they secretly wanted to be SAHM's but felt like failures for doing so? Then those girls choices would technically be limited also, if you're talking about guilt and fear. I don't know that the Duggars have limited their girls choices any more than other families that train their girls to be other things. I think one of the biggest things is daughters often want to be like their mothers (not always, lol) and pattern their lives after what they've seen their mom do. There isn't anything wrong with this...we all have to find our own path in life and make our own choices. The Duggar girls will do that. Their mom certainly did.

MamaWama said...

Josie is probably not getting a synagis shot because 1. it's not RSV season until October, and 2. preemies usually only get them the first year, not continually.

I loved that Michelle actually addressed the camera directly about having more babies. I thought she was well spoken about it. But I was thinking the whole time that she already looks pregnant. Especially in the commercials for upcoming episodes where she is wearing a blue shirt. I could totally see a baby bump. Also, did anyone else notice that the camera seems to be mostly getting pictures of Michelle's face? They seem to be avoiding her lower torso. Hummm

I loved that Jana talked more. She is the prettiest Duggar IMO, but they are all really pretty.

I wonder if Michelle can't find a doctor in Fayetteville? She had to drive all the way back to Little Rock? I hope that was a one time event. I noticed she picked a nice calm boy to take with her for the trip. James was not on the short list of possible choices LOL

Judy said...

I think it is probably Anna that is pregnant. She's only been in a couple of episodes very briefly and in yesterday's they panned to her briefly and she was sitting down,with kdsi in front of her,looking a little puffy, like she was pregnant. I know last time they didn't annoucen it until she was three months along.My guess is she asked for the same this time.

Tammy C said...

My thought on Jinger and the diploma is that she wised up and realized that a GED is not the best to have.If we could ask her I can almost bet that on her own she taught herself some classes to fill in the Arkansas high school graduation requirements.Many of my friends who have home schooled give their children diplomas that are offered atthe state's home school convention.


As far the clothes vs pajamas in bed I assume they wear pj's to bed and on mornings they know that they are being filmed they change into clothes.I seriously doubt anyone really wore sunglasses to bed.

Iliketheduggars said...

"When you are trained a certain way you don't have choices because you are burdened with guilt and fears if you do."

While that may be true of the fundamentalist culture in general, I don't see guilt and fear as motivators anywhere in the Duggar household. In fact they seem to go out of their way at times to help the kids conquer fear... remember the parachute jump? The rock climbing wall? Donating blood?

All the discipline "issues" people like to describe -- horseplay, climbing on counters and furniture, not finishing chores, schoolwork avoidance (James) -- are evidence of the LACK of fear and guilt instilled in their household.

It's a big thing that makes them so very different from a stereotypical fundamentalist family.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Why did JoHannah need to ask what Josie's name was.. has she forgotten her already?
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Since Josie has changed a lot since her birth, and the children rarely saw her in the hospital, it could be that she just didn't recognize her, or thought she was a different baby, since they are used to having new babies coming in.

Anonymous said...

I find the use of baby talk to a young child counter-productive. Parents are the first teachers for their children, and children learn how to speak by modeling what they hear.

Even when my son was an infant, I still used complete sentences when talking to him. "Are you hungry?" "What's the matter sweetheart?" "Time for your nap." Etc. Of course he didn't know what I was saying (yet), but that didn't mean I dumbed down my speech.

"Don't touch the baby" isn't that far from "no touch baby" -- one word more to have a grammatically correct sentence. Make the effort Michelle.

Anonymous said...

That was Predictable said:
If Josie has significant special needs, with Jill give up her dreams of her own family so that she can stay home forever and care for Josie?
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If so, it will all be bathed in the rosy glow of "having a servant's heart", and that God spoke to her heart and said she should support and care for her little sister.

Wonder why God isn't speaking to the Duggar parents and telling them to quit passing off babies to their teenage girls? (Actually, I think they mute any inklings that happen in that department because that's the last thing they want to hear.)

Anonymous said...

Jennifer is 3. She has an obvious speech problem, and would probably benefit greatly from speech therapy, but I seriously doubt she will get it. With all the attention on Josie, the younger kids are getting lost in the shuffle. How sad.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the Duggars answered the questions that we wanted answered but was it scripted for the series and not really doing it. From the example of the hugs with Michelle, looks like they only do it for the cameras.

On the other hand, its nice to see that Josie will be in her parents room for awhile. She needs extra TLC and some quiet time from the whole brood.

Jen said...

I've been enjoying the format of the last two episodes. Very packed with information and activity. It definitely has regained by family's attention. I even found my husband watching it with interest and he definitely skips the trip episodes.

Debbie said...

I believe they have a contract with TLC which states the children will never be filmed in their pajamas.

Anonymous said...

IHatetobeDevils Advocate said:
Wow. Thought it was a common running joke how parents (and no outsiders) understand every cry nuance of their baby. I was REALLY surprised to hear Michelle make that sound unusual. Another hint that the older girls started helping a bit TOO much along the way. Space them out a bit!
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LOL - yes, that makes her sound like a mom to her first born, not her 19th. I knew the nuances of my infant child's crying, and I still know the nuances of his mood, well-being, etc. At a glance, I can tell when he's faking not feeling well to get out of school, or when he's really not feeling well. Maybe because I only have one, perhaps that's why I can tell these things almost instinctively.

Wait a minute - my mom had 8 and she did the same thing! She knew us like no other. So yeah, I think Michelle got less involved in her younger children and so it's like news to her that she knows the nuances of little Josie's different cries. I imagine the sister-moms were the ones who learned the nuances of their buddies cries instead.

Also agree with you that JimBob does not have Michelle under his thumb. If anything, it might be the other way around, but a thumb covered by a velvet glove. If she didn't want any more children, I feel confident JimBob would accommodate her wishes happily. This is probably what separates the Duggar marriage from many I see in fundamentalist groups -- he really is quite deeply in love with his wife and he wants her to be happy. I'm sure like all men, he's often completely clueless, but if you watch closely -- Michelle gets what she wants. She just does it in a way that appears to rest the control in his hands.

In this aspect, I don't really think the Duggars truly fit the Gothard mold. Or maybe I should just say, I think there's too much room for abuse and unhappy marriages in the Gothard mold, especially since often the girls don't get to pick their spouses and can't be sure they pick a kind one rather than a jerk.

Celestie said...

1. Jinger's high school diploma
2. Jill and Jana talking about college and career plans
3. John David, Jill, and Jana taking classes
4. Michelle showing affection to her kids
5. Jinger teaching the kids
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I've been on vacation.

1. Was it Jinger or Jessa? Congratulations for getting a high school diploma instead of a GED.
2. "Talking" is not the same as preparing for, or acting upon. A couple of months ago, Jana was talking about being harpist and Jill was talking about being a nurse. I'm not seeing it happen, as they are needed at home to raise the kids and maintain the house. I think they throw these things out there to appease the bloggers.
3. They are taking "A" class, not classes. I'm surprised that the bunch of them have not taken a first aid course before.
4. The little boy looked absolutely thrilled that his mom picked him out of the crowd, to receive a hug. Jordyn not so much. Michelle discussed Jordyn as if she was someone she knew, not her own child. More like a pre-school teacher describing one of her charges personalities.
5. Why isn't it someone's jurisdiction, say Jim Bob's, to keep the younger children occupied in another part of the house while the children are doing their schooling?

I enjoyed Jana and John D telling about the other's experiences in South East Asia. It was entertaining.

I admired Michelle for standing up for and stating what she believes in, even if I think she is wrong. If I were a praying type of woman, I would pray that god says no to any further pregnancies. Her god will tell her what she wants to hear, I fear.

I wouldn't worry about Jennifer's speech. Everyone is talking baby talk around those kids. She doesn't need to speak any differently.

The older girls did look so much nicer without all the raccoon make-up last night. They are all pretty girls. Maybe washing the greasy looking hair would be a good idea though.

Anonymous said...

They really need to set rules about the younger kids being somewhere else while the school age kids are doing their work.

I was homeschooled and remember how distracting 1 younger sibling was, can't imagine trying to concentrate with that many around.


I feel sorry for many of the middle kids, they kind of get lost in the shuffle.

Does anyone know if jimbob and Michelle make a point of having one on one time with each kid? Even just a few minutes with no other kids around, I'm sure all those kids would love that.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Jennifer have a pacifier for quite awhile? She sounds so much like my youngest at her age and she did go through speech therapy when she was four. My oldest is a speech pathologist and heard her talking and said how she really needs to be seen by a speech therapist.

CappuccinoLife said...

Speech issues: At barely three, she might be somewhat behind, but she has time to catch up, and she likely will. I have two children who spoke with perfect clarity at that age. And one who was very verbal but completely unintelligable until about 3.5 years old. Then he figured it out and it's been smooth sailing since.

Baby "cues"--I was surprised too about Michelle's comments, mostly because I figured with that many children she'd have figured out whatever "trick" there is to understanding what an infant wants when he or she cries. I was always guessing blindly with my own children and had to run through the standard checklist of things they might need (feeding? diaper change? burp? rocking?) until I hit on whatever it was they wanted. Now I have a baby nephew and from the get-go I could tell what he wanted--his cries are very distinct for each need that he has.

Anonymous said...

I just thought Michelle was referring to the fact that SHE knew what Josie needs/wants, but Jim Bob doesn't so she has to tell him. Should a dad know these things, too? Yeah, but... a) Michelle was alone w/ her for a long time while the rest of the fam were traveling/getting over chicken pox, and b) sometimes men are just clueless about these things. (sometimes, not always)

Sarah said...

I also thought Michelle was just saying she was more tuned-in to the baby's needs than her husband was. It didn't stand out to me as though she were particularly surprised by that fact.

And the title of this episode makes NO sense.

Duhhhhhhh! said...

Glad to see Johannah got her own bed.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad I wasn't the only one utterly amused by this episode. It's like the producers did this show in response to all the previous criticism in regards to the "Josie comes home episode"

Michelle never showing affection to her kids? Voila! Every two seconds she's hugging or kissing whichever random kid happens to be within arms reach! (LOL at the stunned look on Jeremiah's face when Michelle hugs him in the kitchen)

Criticism about lack of schooling? No prob, this episode is filled with Duggars doing "schoolwork", if you can call it that.

Anger over the girls being stuck in the house? All of a sudden Jill and Jana are taking classes and there's talk of Jana joining the volunteer fire department (As if she'll be able to fight fires in floor length denim skirts)

The littler girls getting no attention? Michelle makes it a point to discuss Jordan with all the sincerity of a snake oil salesman.

I know some us tend to be hypercritical of the Duggars, but this episode was just so contrived it was laughable.

In regards to James' obvious attention problems, I think you have to give the poor kid a break. It's hard to focus on your work when you have toddlers banging on your desk and running in and out of the room. Not to mention a diet of junk food and lack of a steady routine.

Jennifer does have speech problems, which will go undiagnosed and untreated unless the girls' GED education qualifies them as speech pathologists.

Next weeks episode features the moment we all predicted months ago: Josie being passed off on Jill. I'm guessing #20 is about to be announced.

Anonymous said...

Anyone else notice that John David joined the volunteer Fire Department after he found out about the Bates oldest two volunteering in Tennessee? Same with the girls and their class. I think the Bates family is a really good role model for the Duggar kids. It also leads me to believe that a Duggar/Bates match is in the works (which we've all been thinking anyways) and they're trying to find common ground. I also think it's interesting that Anna had to wait until she was 20 before she got engaged & that there has not been an announcement for John David or Jana who are 20.

TLC - I would much rather watch the Bates family on TV. The only episodes that are interesting to me anymore are the ones with the Bates family in them. They are more refreshing, genuine & fun.

Anonymous said...

Next weeks episode features the moment we all predicted months ago: Josie being passed off on Jill. I'm guessing #20 is about to be announced.
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Isn't she going to be handed over to JoyAnna, the 12 year old? I heard that she was going to be the "buddy," aka the pre-teen untrained caregiver for a micropreemie. JoyAnna, consider your life officially over girl - you had 12 years of doing nuthin but light duty cleaning, cooking, and such. Now you have to earn your living just like all the other older kids.

bonehead said...

Of course it would be Jill. Michelle has been grooming her for that role right along since Josie was born. If you guys remember all the episodes that Jill sat with Michelle, and holding the baby. And all the mentions of Jill thinking about nursing? I think while they made it look as if Jill was only saying and not doing, that she was taking courses on line, so she would know how to take care of Josie. Like when the rest were back home, and now the one who just graduated is teaching, Jill was doing that for a while. Joyanna is too young to be caring for a fragile baby. Though they did made it look as if she was the one. Remember all of us saying that many of the younger ones seem left out, that is why they had the middle kids helping, cause where was the older ones?

hannah said...

heres the preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUyE5LsClMI

Anonymous said...

I am quite certain that Jill will be the main buddy of Josie. She is receiving some "nursing" training (or something through ATI) and she does handle Josie with extreme care. No way in hell can a 12 year old manage that.

I mean, Michelle is ditzy, but she isn't insane...or is she? It would be bad enough for her to relinquish care of this fragile baby to a caring 19 year old sister, but if Michelle passes Josie off to JoyAnna, she belongs in the nuthouse, literally.

Anonymous said...

I do think it's great that Jana is figuring out what she wants to do. I know some people may be frustrated that she doesn't know what she wants to do, but thousands of high school and college students are struggling with this too.

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I agree that many at 20 do not know what they want to do, but most have the opportunity to go to college and/or work outside the home to explore their own likes and dislikes. These young women are smothered with household and childrearing duties.

Anonymous said...

Jessa receiving her diploma from JimBob was just, well, sad.

Now her life consists of what? Supervising what used to be called the School of the Dining Room Table?

Jessa is too young to be substitute-mom to all of those little kids. Why can't she at least go try a part-time job? It's like those older girls are wearing invisible straight-jackets.

Next year, Vision Forum should give Michelle an Actress of the Year Award instead of a Mother of the Year Award.

Michelle's "hug & kiss" for the younger boy (Jed? Jer?) on her way out the door to the doctor was soooo fake I laughed out loud. The look on the boy's face was priceless, like "where is this coming from?".

Anonymous said...

I think the glider and ottoman in the girls' bedroom should clear up any doubts about who gets up to comfort/ feed/ handle any buddies who may wake up in the middle of the night.

Anonymous said...

Michelle's comments at the end regarding how she'd love more children, and how she knew that "others" had their differing opinions..... sounded to me like that was her "duggar version" of "in your face, America !" She seemed rather pissed off when she spoke.

I wonder if the "others" she spoke of with differing opinions include Dr. Sarver, or any other doctors who may have told her that she needs to stop having babies or risk her life and the lives of any more babies.

Anonymous said...

Another moment of how "well-behaved" (sarcasm) the younger Duggars are....anyone else catch the moment where Michelle pulls up in the SUV after returning from the doctor appointment with Josie. Was it Jackson or Justin runs up to the car SCREAMING and pointing a large water-pistol (looked like a colorful plastic rifle) at the SUV.

Well behaved? Bologney.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Another moment of how "well-behaved" (sarcasm) the younger Duggars are....anyone else catch the moment where Michelle pulls up in the SUV after returning from the doctor appointment with Josie. Was it Jackson or Justin runs up to the car SCREAMING and pointing a large water-pistol (looked like a colorful plastic rifle) at the SUV.

Well behaved? Bologney.
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They are children. Children play. Children are wild sometimes. It would be like tryinh to defy gravity to make a child sit still. I think the little boys playing with waterguns is perfectly acceptable.

jj said...

I was not happy to see the girls up so early changing diapers. That just made me feel strange...I have two kids in diapers so I too am constantly changing them, but I would not be comfortable passing that job along to a teenage daughter. Just doesn't seem right for teenagers to have so much responsibility for all those babies and toddlers.

nccalgal said...

Another moment of how "well-behaved" (sarcasm) the younger Duggars are....anyone else catch the moment where Michelle pulls up in the SUV after returning from the doctor appointment with Josie. Was it Jackson or Justin runs up to the car SCREAMING and pointing a large water-pistol (looked like a colorful plastic rifle) at the SUV.

Now if they were running around and squirting people in the house, that would be bad behavior but playing with water guns outside IMO is not inappropriate. I don't think he actually "shoot" anyone, he just pointed it at the car, so that shows restraint on his part.

Anonymous said...

" It would be like tryinh (sic) to defy gravity to make a child sit still."

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A Duggar child, yes.

Yet thousands of teachers in schools all over the world manage to make other children sit still.

JingerRocks! said...

Did anyone notice how much more ALIVE and energized Jana seemed since coming back from SE Asia? She was a completely different person!

Anonymous said...

jj said:
I have two kids in diapers so I too am constantly changing them, but I would not be comfortable passing that job along to a teenage daughter. Just doesn't seem right for teenagers to have so much responsibility for all those babies and toddlers.
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I agree entirely. It is the Duggars business how many children they wish to have. However, I really to take exception to the fact that in order for Mr. and Mrs. Duggar to have so many children, they require the full time assistance of several teenage "helpers." The term "buddy" is designed to make it all sound very innocuous, but what's really going on is that the older girls do the bulk of the work of raising their younger siblings, even down to taking on the school teaching duties.

If Mr. and Mrs. Duggar can't actively raise and homeschool their huge brood, then they've had too many. They are shirking their parental responsibilities when they turn the kids over to their older sisters to be cared for full time.

Why anyone finds Michelle Duggar mother of the year material is beyond me. She birthed a lot of babies, but she has not raised a lot of children. She can really only accurately claim to have mothered the oldest, and since then, the older girls have done the real mothering work. It ain't right.

Anonymous said...

Michelle's comments at the end regarding how she'd love more children, and how she knew that "others" had their differing opinions..... sounded to me like that was her "duggar version" of "in your face, America !" She seemed rather pissed off when she spoke

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I wonder if either Mr. or Mrs. Duggar pay attention to the comments and opinions on message boards? I can't imagine being on a reality show, so I don't know what I'd do if I were in their position. But I think the temptation to read what others are saying about my show would be too great, and I'd end up reading at least some comments here and there.

Anyway, it sounded to me like Michelle Duggar was responding to some negative criticism of their lifestyle choices. Maybe she had read the letters in the recent People magazine that were 100% negative.

I also hate to be criticized, but then again -- I don't put my life or lifestyle choices out there for public consumption for money. I think when you are a reality show person, you just have to take your lumps and consider that's part of the price you pay.

Anonymous said...

"Testy (sp) Duggars"? Seriously?

Shouldn't someone be yelling "NIKE"?

Help! I think we're all being defrauded here!!

What's next? An indepth look into the Duggar Buddy System, episode entitled, "Bosom Buddies"? Now THERE's a Nike! moment for sure!

Anonymous said...

Yet thousands of teachers in schools all over the world manage to make other children sit still.


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But the boy wasn't at school...or doing schoolwork...or anyplace he should be sitting still. He was playing outside with waterguns, completely normal boy behavior.


Maybe I'm dense...but I'm not really seeing the fakeness that some posters are talking about with Michelle giving her son a hug. On her way out to Little Rock, when she hugs him, you can hardly see his face, and what you can see is just a little bit of a smile. How can we tell if he looks suprised or anything else? When she hugs him again upon returning, you can see his face better, and he just smiles. Seemed normal to me, I wouldn't have even given it a second thought if it hadn't been for all the latest scrutiny on the hugging issue at the Duggars.

When Michelle talked about Jordyn, if that was indeed everything she said, then that does seem sad that she isn't more connected to her. I have a little girl Jordyn's age and she is a rock star around here, it would definitely be sad if Jordyn's getting short shrift from her mother. But we don't know what all Michelle said. She could have been gushing about Jordyn for all we know but the producers pulled out one little comment and had that as the only thing we heard there and we wouldn't know any different. I really hope Michelle had more to say than that about Jordyn.

mythoughtis said...

I thought the title was a little cutesy, but they have to title it somehow. For once, it wasn't called 'Josie... something'.

Josie went for a physical, JD, Jana and Jill are studying for tests, the younger kids were shown taking quizzes on the computer.

As to the kids having water pistols, and being loud as their Mom pulled up... they are kids, at home, in their own yard. I see no problem.

Now, the Michigan trio, where the entire family, Jim Bob included sprayed a ton of silly string, on what had to be a RENTED vehicle, that was bad behavior. Why does this family NOT RESPECT other people's property, be it cars or homes? As much work as they have gone to get property to rent to others, you'd think they'd be respectful of property they rented FROM others.

And, if Michelle gets her feelings hurt by blog comments, magzzines, etc.... she can always stop being filmed. Then they can go back to living 24/7 on their property, not traveling, etc. And no one will care who they are.

faline said...

I think Michele probably does have
positive things to say about her younger kids, but it is edited like everything on reality tv.

Don't forget TLC edits things so it will appear the way they want.

Anonymous said...

19 Kids and Counting (9pm)
- 1.402 million viewers
- 1.0/2 HH
- 0.5/1 A18-49

Allison said...

One thing I wanted to add about Michelle seeming to know what is being discussed and/or negative comments out here, is that the producers are interviewing her during these little speeches. We've seen it before with the others, especially the younger kids. It makes sense that someone asked the pointed question of "How does this make you feel?" and she answered it, and then they used it. It may not have been something Michelle was thinking of saying, and perhaps her tone of voice came from the fact that she was responding to a question.

Another thing that I want to point out is that the crew, from what I've read Michelle saying, is that they don't film every day. They apparently film a couple of days, are probably only there a few weeks at a time. We have no idea what Michelle does when the cameras are not around, which would be the majority of the time. Usually it seems that the cameras are there when something "unusual" like guests or a party or a "field trip" is happening. The "stay-at-home" episodes are few and far between, and there's no telling what kind of hands on action the parents do. Clearly, the girls are very proficient in their instruments, so someone has to be watching the children when they are practicing.

jonandkatewho? said...

Personally, I can't think of a single reason why TLC's editors would want to hide something like open affection from Michelle towards any of her children. It would only serve to show her in a positive light to show such expressions of affection if they exist. Unless they are just all a bunch of mean, Grinch-like people, there's no reason they'd want the general public to think Michelle doesn't show physical affection to her children.

I'm not saying the woman does not love her kids. I really don't dislike the Duggars because they do seem to be for the most part decent people.

That said, I do not believe her younger kids get much in the way of physical affection from her. I feel or sense a disconnect there. I know the show is edited but I really think that she does not bond properly with her kids, and I think it's because her older girls are doing most of the parenting after she hands off the newest baby to the "buddy". With the coming of Josie, this disconnect seems to have grown. Of course I know she is busy with her premie, but she seems to be much closer with Josie than she ever was with any of the other babies we have seen. Naturally this would happen because of Josie's problems from birth. She has absorbed much of Michelle's time and effort, and rightly so.

It will be very sad and a shame if she does hand off Josie soon to a buddy in favor of Duggar baby #20. So unfair to the older girls to be stuck raising their parent's kids. I don't think that those girls really feel they have much of a choice when it comes to planning lives of their own. They have been indoctrinated into the buddy system of parenting from a fairly early age and that would be hard to shake. I agree with the poster who supposed that there would be much guilt involved if the girls wanted to live their lives differently. I would bet that at least one or two of them feel "stuck".

I don't think it's wrong for kids to have some responsibility in the home, but come on, this is ridiculous. Those older girls already HAVE jobs....raising children, teaching them and doing housework and cooking. The questions are how much are they paid, if they are paid, and can they ever break free without incurring the disappointment of their parents? I wonder if their show will be around long enough for us to see some answers. It bores me, but I would like to see the girls have lives outside of the house, and I would probably watch just to see that happen. Until I fell asleep anyhow, lol.

Ally said...

"Michelle's comments at the end regarding how she'd love more children, and how she knew that "others" had their differing opinions..... sounded to me like that was her "duggar version" of "in your face, America !" She seemed rather pissed off when she spoke."

I can't wait to see this episode unfortunately it will have to wait until next week, but I'm glad that she acknowledged that she knew that others had differing or negative opinions, but that she would still love more kids.

If she looked pissed when saying it, I really don't blame her honestly. In my opinion, I feel like it was good for her to express her opinion and live her life the way she wants. I honestly feel that it was great for her to say her version of in your face America. If she is expecting #20 that's wonderful and I know that child has a good home.

I think the Duggars do read forums, I think they do see the comments to the posts on TLC and people magazine. I'm sure that they receive tons of email also giving them negative comments. I wouldn't want their email inbox, let me put it that way. I'm glad that they do what's best for them and that they don't change everything just to please the public.

I'm glad that Jim Bob hasn't said, okay the public is right I'm getting a vasectomy or have gotten one. I'm glad that Michelle isn't saying okay you're right I'm going to get my tubes tied. I'm glad that they haven't told their older children that they have to go to college and they need to move out now. I'm glad that they haven't let their older children treat their house like a bedroom. I'm glad that the older ones do have chores and I'm glad that when the children leave the home, they will know how to keep a clean house. I'm glad that the Duggar children don't act like some reality children and act like they're entitled to the world.

I love people that keep their opinion no matter what, especially if they're in the public eye.

nccalgal said...

TLC intentionally edits shows to suit what they perceive to be the target audience but they also want to make sure there is some "buzz" material to make sure the people who watch keep their interest and also try to lure new viewers. Look at the bump in ratings the premier episode of J&K+8 got because of all the hype that went on prior to it. TLC does not want to portray them in a totally positive light because that would be boring. There has to be dysfunction and "issues" to keep the interest up therefore they give us just enough so the Duggar devotees see them as the ideal family and the snarkers the ammo to keep the buzz going. It's best to take what we with a grain of salt.

Sacre Family On The Go said...

Paci problem: My kids were 4,3,and 2 when the paci was thrown out and there were no speech problems. Maybe we were just lucky?

Anonymous said...

I can think of reasons why TLC would edit out things like affection. TLC doesn't really care about portraying Michelle in a positive light - they care about creating interest and fascination to keep viewership high. That's the driving reason behind everything they do. Portraying Michelle as detached from her children, or any other negative thing, achieves that. I'm not saying that I know for a fact that Michelle isn't detached from her children, she very well might be, I don't know. What I am saying is that I know enough about TV to be at least a little suspicious of an impression that's created on the show, that could easily be created by ommissive editing - like lack of affection.

Anonymous said...

I think BOTH Jana and John seem much more alive and interested since their trip. John in particular was much more perked up than usual. I think it was so good for them to get out of the house and do something different. If they don't want to move away from home, that's fine, but I think they could both benefit from doing more things outside the house and broadening their horizons at this point in their lives. That's what young adulthood is for.

Anonymous said...

Article about Michelle and a possible number 20. Has some errors in it.

http://celebs.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978507402

Reality TV Junkie said...

A couple of reasons why TLC may edit out some of the parent-child affection:

-Modesty: Earlier when they were even more modest, perhaps they didn't want any personal things shown, and had stuck to that tradition. I believe they value it as a private moment for the family, and choose to not film it.

-Maybe the cameras never catch many of those moments because the film crew usually is only there during a trip or event, which doesn't feature many "hugs and kisses."

Anonymous said...

I think it's obvious just from looking at Michelle that she doesn't do enough work when it comes to actually caring for all those children. Even in the intro to the show, she doesn't say she's anyone's mother - she brags that she has "delivered" all of them.
That's far different from having mothered them all.

Anyone with children knows from looking in the mirror what a physical toll that parenthood can take on one's appearance. She never has that dog-tired, dragged out look I saw on my own face all too often when I was younger and chasing children all over the place, cooking, cleaning, etc.

I don't think it's possible to physically raise that many children without having it show in one's face, and I see nothing that says "motherhood" when I look at Michelle.

I think it's a real pity that her older children are raising the younger ones - but I think it's obvious that is what is happening. She's doing her existing children a very real disservice if she continues to produce more work for them to do, work that won't stop until the older girls are well into middle age.

Jess said...

Did anyone see the preview where Michelle says, "We have an announcement, someone is expecting?"

Could it be Anna?

Reality TV Junkie said...

"Testy (sp) Duggars"? Seriously?

Shouldn't someone be yelling "NIKE"?

Help! I think we're all being defrauded here!!

What's next? An indepth look into the Duggar Buddy System, episode entitled, "Bosom Buddies"? Now THERE's a Nike! moment for sure!
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That's so funny. I didn't even notice that until you mentioned it. Yeah, I hope that was a mistake.