Free Discussion January 2011

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Happy New Year to all.  May 2011 bring happiness and joy to all our lives.

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Reality TV Junkie said...

Happy New Year!

Does anyone know when the new season starts?

Sharla said...

The next season is scheduled to begin airing in February.

Anonymous said...

"So I guess since I am in the Army, I am nothing. even though I haven't been able to go to school, via I AM over there fighting for your Freedom.
I am being paid great, and I Didn't go to college"

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It seems there is a miscommunication here.

The initial comment also included "successfully lands and performs well in a job in the real world," which would include military careers. The point is less about college than about having the maturity and courage to leave home coupled with the ability to define self as something more than a simple carbon copy of the parents.

You have apparently done so and this is to be applauded.

Let me rephrase: Let me know when any Duggar joins the military to forge a career. (I won't hold my breath.)

Anonymous said...

I wonder if there will be a new duggar pregnancy in 2011. And if not, will this be the last season.. hmm. I am excited to find out if anna's baby is a boy or girl.

Tammy C said...

Maybe another Duggar wedding.

Anonymous said...

Let's hope that Michelle doesn't want to traipse around again in a wedding dress to renew the vows yet again. Jim Bob will probably stand on his head and spit nickles. These two thrive under the camera's lens.

Michelle is going to have to do something to upstage Anna. After all, she can't seem to allow any of the youngsters have too much time in the limelight. IMHO, the sight of this middle-aged woman, mother of 17 (at the time) running around in a white wedding dress was almost obscene. The young girls should have been the ones looking and thinking about a future wedding (if that would be in the cards)

Maybe it is time for Michelle to take a back seat, let Anna have her pregnancy, and maybe, just maybe, let the cameras focus on her children doing normal things.

Anonymous said...

It would be very nice to see some courting...but they are so young to be married. For that reason, I do hope we don't see a wedding this season! Maybe see more of the conference they go to, and just day to day things.

Anonymous said...

I doubt Michelle would do another vow renewal. They've only done one in their lives ever, at their 25th wedding anniversary, which is entirely appropriate.

I've never gotten the impression that Michelle has babies or other things to upstage Anna or anyone else. The story they stick to is, they do their baby thing for the spiritual reasons they have told us time and time again, ad nauseam - and their actions have always seemed consistent with that story to me.

Theresa said...

When Michelle was trying on wedding gowns, did anyone else notice that the girls seemed to be looking at the dresses longingly, as if they wished they were shopping for their own gowns?

butterfly said...

Anonymous said...
"So I guess since I am in the Army, I am nothing. even though I haven't been able to go to school, via I AM over there fighting for your Freedom.
I am being paid great, and I Didn't go to college"
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So why haven't you gone to college? Being in the Army is no excuse, I should know, I am in the military and I completed my BA. Maybe you just joined, there is time. Don't get out without your degree!! Make the Army pay!! It's worth it! Anyway, off my soapbox, I am still waiting for any one of the Duggar children to join the military and serve their nation- I think fits their 'JOY' belief. And it's patriotic. Still waiting, male OR female, any child.....

Anonymous said...

kind of wish the duggars would give the kids a chance, like the amish. If someone knows the real word for it, please post it as I can not think of it right now.
But its were they get to go out into the world and decide on their own, what they believe in, what they want to do. etc.
But since JB can't even let his kids go to Sunday School, because it would mean someone else it teaching them and he can't control them. I would guess the kids only way out, is marriage.

I feel sorry for these kids, They can't just run away. if they did, i bet they would be shunned.
I try to NEVER say bad things about the kids. because you can't help who you are born to, "who your parents are"
Such as Bristol palin for example, she lately by tmz. She used her cash from DWTS and outright bought a home, so she could go to college. Yet the posters comments are some of the worst and hateful things I have ever read. even as much as saying she had both trig and tripp. Which is impossible given the birthdates.
she is called fat all the time,
She never asked for her mom to be who she is.
I know we have some ladies on here who got pregnant at 16, bristol was 17, and turned 18 that yr.
she gets comments posted about her, because she went to community college, the girl, lived in her own condo, drove 45 mins to work as a sect. and went to night school. thats pretty good, compared to those on 16 and pregnant show.
and no im not a republican, Im not a democrat either. I am fed up with both.
I just won't pick the duggar kids for things they can't help.
You learn from what your taught at home.
example, 16yr old girl gets pregnant, guess what, her mom got pregnant at that age, and grandma got pregnant at the age.
people whose parents are fighters, they unless influenced by someone other than the parents, they normally turn out like them.

its sad but very true. again as the teachers kid, I have seen it all my life.

and thus that starts my biggest peeve about the duggar parents. If they have "trained" as they say their children so well. Why don't they trust them.
How can you prove yourself, if your not given a chance.
and people say oh run away, well to what an who, thats scary for people who aren't use to the world we, posters live in.
Lets just all pray, that these girls will find a husband, that isn't like the father.

PS.
I also have this funny feeling, that JB's dad might have been controlling back in the day.
again you learn from what you see, and for those who don't know, Since the start of the first eppy, JB's dad had already been sick, they just didn't say anything. not till later seasons till he got worse.
I know this because family lives down the road.

Karen said...

I am having a hard time understanding this fixation on college. I have a degree and have a well paid career but the two are not connected - at least I didn't get my degree in my field. College isn't for everyone and college doesn't mean educated - you can be educated and never set foot inside a classroom. and I know there are lots of people who went to college and only got a piece of paper out of it - no education, either because they didn't try, didn't care or the college failed at its job.
and again, we don't know if someone is taking college courses either from home or a local college (that part is doubtful) - just because we don't see it in the half-hour once a week.
on another related note, and they would be very smart not to let on about any relationships the kids may have until marriage/engagement is a done deal for several reasons - privacy, what happens if it doesn't work out, why jinks it and to my cynical mind, it would weed out people who just want to be on TV.

Karen said...

oh and butterfly, congratulations to be able to get a degree while in a war zone - I am sure that was difficult, but it isn't possible for everyone even if they wanted to do so.

i-like-pie said...

"When Michelle was trying on wedding gowns, did anyone else notice that the girls seemed to be looking at the dresses longingly, as if they wished they were shopping for their own gowns?"

I think this is perfectly natural and not a reflection of their desperation to leave Duggarville.

Before I was married, I was a bridesmaid FIVE times and every single time I helped a friend into a gown, I thought "gee, I wish I could get married", no matter how old (or in this case, young), I was.

I didn't marry until I was 32. It was worth the wait, but it didn't stop me day-dreaming about my perfect wedding gown.

I hope that the new season shows more of the older daughters. Jana, Jill, and Jessa are now all over 18. It's high time that they spread their wings a bit and try out their own lives.

My hope for them, though unrealistic, would be that the 3 of them (and Jinger next year) get an apartment in the city and get jobs. They could have their own spin-off show! "Duggars in the City".

Anonymous said...

I think part of the "vow removal" deal was for Jim Bob to get the family wedding gown for free. That's why he was so insistant that it be pure white (not off white like an already married "bride" should wear)....so that his daughters can use it as the community dress. (They will tearfully talk about how touching it is to wear mommy's dress.)

ennvee said...

Look, college is not for everyone and some people have talents that enable them to become multi-millionaires (Bill Gates et al) without graduating from college. But don't forget in Gates' case, he got himself into Harvard; the brains and ability were there and people, especially in the early years of the PC, could get far with programming ability they could teach (or invent) themselves.

Who knows what real career abilities the Duggar kids have? John David might have the makings of an aerospace engineer, but he'll never know because he isn't allowed to even go to a college or the military to TRY.

I would be a loser in Duggarland; apparently God decided He didn't want me to have ANY children. Idiots like Jim Bob are the reason I stopped going to church; judge not lest ye be judged, jerk.

no1 said...

I think part of the focus on college comes from the repeated claims by the Duggers referring to the high quality of their children's education.

no1 said...

To Anonymous @ 10:40 am:

>>I think part of the "vow removal" deal was for Jim Bob to get the family wedding gown for free<<

Vow Removal - - Ha! If only. That may have been Mrs. Dugger's secret wish.

mythoughtis said...

I think the reason why some of us are fixated on 'college' are:

1. Who knows what skills, etc will be needed to survive in the work force by the time the youngest Duggar can retire? Education is never a bad thing, employers still love a college degree, regardless of the major.
2. Many of us remember our college years as the first time we were on our own, free from family responsiblities, but protected form true independent living, while we finished growing up. We want the the Duggar children to have that also... rather than be free household help until Josie becomes an adult.
3. Maybe the Duggar children would 'be exposed to different career opportunities' as Michelle says they are doing now, but without Mom and Dad picking out those opportunities for them.

I'm not opposed to trade schools, military, Americorps, etc instead for them.... as long as they don't live where Mom and Dad still control their every day. Be interesting to see Jim Bob try to control his son's DI, wouldn't it?

And, I disagree: Michelle does so very want to be the center of attention, as does Josh. They will have a real problem when the camera shuts off.

Anonymous said...

I hope Michelle's maternity wedding dress is not for the Duggar daughters. I remember seeing pictures of Michelle and JimBob's wedding and the dress she borrowed from Mary Duggar was very nice. In the vow renewal show they said that dress was not modest enough for them now - kind of a slap in the face for Grandma Duggar.

Anonymous said...

why are we saying the Duggars have to go to college.
Why are we saying the girls can't be like MILLIONS of other wives who are home-makes and and believe it or not there are actually over a million stay at home dads.

Just because you don't go to college, doesnt mean anything."

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You are RIGHT: there is NOTHING wrong with being a mom!

But if you genuinely want to understand the point being made by others, one answer to your query can be found in the December 2010 comments, Anonymous 5:14 pm - check it out to try to understand where some of us are coming from about the Duggars 'graduating' at 16 but remaining in the nest with no real education/training for anything BUT having babies and cleaning house.

Further, while I agree that earning a college degree doesn't mean everything, it DOES have SOME meaning and value.

The chances of becoming a millionaire are slim. The chances of becoming a millionaire with no college, no skills are slimmer still.

IF all 9 of Mrs. Duggar's daughters get EXACTLY the life SHE got, they might be ok. If, however, life throws them a curve and they find themselves single parenting, a lack of skills/college education will make their lives far more difficult than the one Mrs. Duggar enjoys.

karen said...

So I was thinking and I realized. They do have a job - it is called being on TLC. And I bet they are willing to make the sacrifice to delay whatever house, job, college to get that nice paycheck - which is more then they could make at a part-time job. And since it is 19 kids and counting, all 19 kids are expected to be available to be on the show so they can't just leave and go away to college without losing the show or having the cameras pop up on campus from time to time - not a way to live life. John David is the exception since he decided to start his business now - even tho I am sure lots of time the business has to be put on hold for the big job.
Face it, being on TV and living a normal life do not mix until the show is off the air, i am sure all single Duggars will be living at home. But the each will probably will have enough in their savings to buy a house (or at least a downpayment), go to college or whatever.

Anonymous said...

"In the vow renewal show they said that dress was not modest enough for them now - kind of a slap in the face for Grandma Duggar."

Did they really say this? If they did, I missed it. I have no recollection of that comment whatsoever. I'd think the reason she didn't wear that dress is because it's old, outdated, and much too small for Michelle now! I remember it being very modest.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, Michelle did not say anything about Grandma Duggar's dress except that it would not fit now, but Anna did say that, "their standards had changed so much" that the original dress would not suit. That must be where I got that the first dress was not modest enough. Here's a clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDBhzaAeij4

Anonymous said...

Cousin Amy's Facebook account has a picture of John David and an Indonesian exchange student who is living with the Duggars posing with guns. More specifically, two of the three guns are assault rifles. Scary.

Anonymous said...

karen said...
But the each will probably will have enough in their savings to buy a house (or at least a downpayment), go to college or whatever.


IMO, Mr Duggar controls and owns all the $$$ generated from the show. I doubt any of those kids (save Josh) garners an individual paycheck or has an individual account being supplied with money earned from working the family job. These are not typical parents-

Anonymous said...

"kind of wish the duggars would give the kids a chance, like the amish. If someone knows the real word for it, please post it as I can not think of it right now."

Are you thinking of "rumspringa"? A period of exploration (for lack of a better word) where adolescent Amish kids decide for themselves whether to stay with the community or enter the "modern" community.

Anonymous said...

Cousin Amy's Facebook account has a picture of John David and an Indonesian exchange student who is living with the Duggars posing with guns. More specifically, two of the three guns are assault rifles. Scary.
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Scary, creepy, and just plain "ewwww." Seriously, who needs an assault rifle? Hunting rifle, perhaps a handgun if you feel you must in order to protect yourself or family -- but an assault rifle? That's taking a love for killing machines a trifle too far.

Anonymous said...

I don't think JB is selfish enough to keep the older kids' paychecks for himself;however,I do think he is controlling enough to keep it in an account for them until they are out of the house and own their own,or rather,when they get married.It doesn't appear they have a lot of choices of their own under his roof.

KD said...

The Bates family arrived at the Duggars today. There was a tornado near the area, but the Duggars property was not hit.

Anonymous said...

John has just started hunting and recently killed his first deer. Are you sure he is holding an assault rifle? Wouldn't be surprise me though. Hyper-religious people tend to be very paranoid.

Kliff Klavin said...

So did we ever figure out which kids the Duggars and Bates are trying to get matched up? I know there was John-Michaela theories floating around, but I just don't see it.

I'd love to take Jana out to eat and talk, but I just don't see that in the cards...

Reality TV Junkie said...

About whether the older children get paid...

In their book (I got it recently), they state the the have what's called a "Duggar Family Bank" They all have their own money, it's recorded down, but all the money stays together. They can use it as needed. So yes, they all have their own money, just not on them.

Peace said...

Jana in pants. Yes she does wear the fire gear.

http://picasaweb.google.com/duggarfamily/WebsitePictures#5555801169081960610

Anonymous said...

In their book (I got it recently), they state the the have what's called a "Duggar Family Bank" They all have their own money, it's recorded down, but all the money stays together. They can use it as needed. So yes, they all have their own money, just not on them.
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Thanks for the info - but I just don't believe that they can access it 1-2-3 like that.

Further, once the "children" reach adulthood, I think they should have their own separate bank account and any money they earn should go into that account. It's not like their mom and dad are hurting for money, to where they need to help financially.

It's just an unhealthy co-mingling of funds that rightfully should be placed in individual accounts, where only the person who earned and "owns" that money, should have access to it.

I had my own checking account before I was 18. It was mine, all mine, and no one's business but my own. What I earned went into that account, I paid for my own clothes, and any other items I chose to purchase. My parents still paid for the household expenses but once I turned 16 and got a job, I became responsible for my own clothing and extras. It was a good way to get me adjusted to adult responsibilities, so that when I did move out, I already knew how to balance a check book, live within my means, pay bills on time, etc.

This is just a further example of how little the Duggar parents actually prepare their offspring for life once they leave home. Irresponsible. Again.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

This is just a further example of how little the Duggar parents actually prepare their offspring for life once they leave home. Irresponsible. Again.

1/03/2011 12:27 PM

Josh seems to be doing well with a business and a house at 22.

Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly, both Josh's house and business were given to him. He personally can't take too much credit for a gift.

Allison said...

This is hardly ground-breaking news or anything, but I was looking at the Duggar Family Album on Picasa and they uploaded pictures from Christmas and Jill FINALLY has her braces off!

http://picasaweb.google.com/duggarfamily/AVeryDuggarChristmas#

They also have a couple of really adorable shots of Josie. She still is very tiny (for her age), but looks healthy and happy.

Anonymous said...

HE was given the house and the business (it was his grandparents).

I don't know that there are houses and businesses to provide for all the boys.

Cyn said...

Re Josh house and business:
The house was not given to him he bought it from his grandparents. The house had been a rental for years and then empty before Josh got it and did the necessary repairs (the house was a disaster)... Hardly given to him.

I think (can't prove) JimBob help Josh start the car business simply because at 16-17 Josh wouldn't have been able to get a car dealers license. I do know for a fact that JimBob nor g'pa gave him the SECOND car lot. Josh bought that one himself, and hired workers for it.

GRAM said...

I think its funny how the size of some ones family bug people. I wish I could have had 12 , I cheated and ended up with 9 seven of which were home grown two adopted . I think she does very well with all those kids , I couldn’t do it. she has a gift. Hang in there I love watching your family ......

Cyn said...

Re Duggar banking:

The "Duggar bank" was for the smaller children and for when all the children were smaller. They kept losing their money, and found money would cause issues as well, so they started a "bank". Michelle would keep running totals in a little notebook in her purse and when the children were out and running around they could buy something and have the amount deducted from their account.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Duggars/Jim-Bob-Duggar/e/9781416585633#EXC
(I clicked to see an excerpt from the book and then scrolled down till I found the money section you may have to do the same)

Since I have seen the older children going out shopping on their own, and using debit cards and cash, I highly doubt the older ones are still using this system. The same way as they got older they didn't have to wear the chore packs any more just get a weekly list.

2nd thought: We have seen even the smaller children with money (Candy business any one?) so the Bank of Duggar may now only operate for the youngest and those with larger deposit amounts.

With that as a child, and learning about the banking system, and learning how bad CC and loan interest can be I think the Duggar children know more about money, and spending money than teens who are simply given a credit card and dropped off at the mall.

I'd also bet they know how to work deals to get things for less than the sticker price, all of which I wish I could teach my children half as well. I for one would like tho have my children go through their entire life with out a FICO score, as my goal is to keep my FICO score nonexistent as well.

Digger said...

Allison said...

This is hardly ground-breaking news or anything, but I was looking at the Duggar Family Album on Picasa and they uploaded pictures from Christmas and Jill FINALLY has her braces off!

1/03/2011 3:01 PM

It looks like Jill gave her braces to Joseph. Jill looks so different without them. Much more mature. I wonder if the Duggars put up a Christmas tree. I didn't see one in these photos.

Allison said...

It looks like Jill gave her braces to Joseph. Jill looks so different without them. Much more mature. I wonder if the Duggars put up a Christmas tree. I didn't see one in these photos.

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It looked like the presents were just in the middle of the living room. If they didn't have a tree, it's probably because it's seen as a "pagan" symbol (which it is, but still...). It seemed very strange to just have them out in the middle.

Did anyone notice that Joy got a skateboard? I know there's been some comments about her "tomboy" tendencies being squashed now that she's a 13-year-old lady. But a skateboard still seems pretty tomboy to me, so good for her to still be herself.

Cyn said...

Does any one know if they did their yearly trip to El Salvador?

Allison said...

Cyn says...

Does any one know if they did their yearly trip to El Salvador?

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yes, and there are photos of it up on photobucket as well (though some of the Christmas and old Josie in the hospital photos got mixed up in it).

http://picasaweb.google.com/duggarfamily/ElSalvador2010#

Anonymous said...

I saw the photo of John handling those weapons. There's an article about it on Radar Online. They were wondering if one of the weapons is even legal in this country. Amy's in trouble. LOL

Jen said...

Does any one know if they did their yearly trip to El Salvador?
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The Josie Turns One article says

"Dad Jim Bob and the older Duggar kids are on a mission in Hondorus and El Salvador, Guatemala; they won't return until December 15, which has delayed a big party for their much loved baby."

winsomeone said...

Enjoyed the Christmas pictures. Was it just me, or did Michelle look really tan compared to everyone else? Is she doing spray tanning, or the tanning bed route? I have never seen her do outside yard work, so it can't be natural.

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed the Christmas photos. I almost didn't recognize Johannah because her hair has gotten darker.All the children look well including Josie. I wonder where Mackynzie was? I didn't see her in any photos. I hope Anna's pregnancy is going well. She looks great on the photos. Michelle looks different. Definitely not expecting since she is shown squatting on one pic.

Anonymous said...

I find the gun photos deeply disturbing. The first rule of gun safety is to treat every gun as if it were loaded. In a family with so many small children, gun safety should be drilled and drilled and respected by everyone. There should not be a gun jammed in your pocket and there should not be guns used for macho poses, with the barrels inches away from someone's head. And why an assault rifle? I understand that the Duggars are hunters, but an assault rifle?

Anonymous said...

When law-abiding citizens (the category the Duggars fall into) own and become trained in the use of firearms, it is usually for purposes of being prepared in self-defense, and/or animal hunting.

John-David owning guns and posing with them doesn't indicate that he is preoccupied with killing, or weapons that kill. Many normal law-abiding men are just naturally very interested in guns, weapons, and their proper use, and own them both as a hobby and as an exercise of their constitutional right - and it has been that way for eons of time. That's one reason why the vast majority of our military consists of men. It isn't a bad thing - guns are only bad when they are used or handled improperly, which sadly they sometimes are. But John-David owning guns and being trained in their use, and posing with them for a photo, IMO, isn't bad in and of itself.

Allison said...

I agree that this picture is disturbing. This looks like a tough-guy killer pose, which doesn't seem to be in line with the Duggars "sweet and innocent" mentality.

TMZ and Radar did say the guns were unloaded, so it doesn't really matter where the rifle was pointing, because if the gun is empty, it can't hurt anyone. My problem is just with the stance and pose of John David and the exchange student. They look very threatening and I would think that wasn't something Michelle would be supportive of.

cafe said...

Allison I have to disagree with you.It still does matter where it is pointed.

Anonymous said...

I find the posed picture mentioned herein far more offensive than anything the Duggars would consider a "NIKE!" situation.

A macho pose with an instrument of violence is acceptable but a woman in a swimsuit or shorts is a threat to Duggar morality?

Strange set of values at play here.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the poster who said there isn't anything wrong with John having guns. I don't see the big deal with the picture. As long as he owns and operates the guns legally, what is the problem? I don't think the fact that John-David owns the guns is something the Duggar family is trying to hide, either. It just isn't something TLC would feature on their TV show. I doubt the Duggars would care either way.

Allison said...

cafe said...

Allison I have to disagree with you.It still does matter where it is pointed.

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Not to get into a huge debate or anything, but can I ask why? If the gun is unload (as in, without any bullets inside), then what does it matter if the barrel is near John David's head. It's not even directly pointed at anyone's head intentionally. It's just the angle of both guns.

The presentation of this is very unsettling and out-of-character I think, but there's nothing legitimately dangerous about what they're doing. An unloaded gun can't hurt anyone.

Karen said...

The guns aren't a big deal to me. The only issue I have is whether or not the exchange student needed to be properly taught how to handle guns I don't think he was taught the 1st rule of gun safety - every gun is a loaded gun and the 2nd - always point it in a safe direction. So they probably should have taught the guy, but probably assumed he knew how to handle one and it was just for a photo.
JOhn David was obeying those 2 rules.
Big Guns are fun - and target practice is a ton of fun especially with a big gun and not just for men. :)
I am enjoying the link to the Picasa photos and I was surprised that Jana wore the pants (didn't think they were actually going into the fires); but I don't read anything into it.

texasmomwithhusbandthistime said...

That's how I was taught, that is were accidents happen, when people take the mag. off and forget to go down the list of rules, thus leaving a bullet in the chamber.
Accident happen when they don't run through the rules before opening the gun case and don't go through the rules as they are getting the gun out.
You always go through the 10 top rules when even taking a gun out of its case. PERIOD, guns are not to be taken lightly.
safety above all else is #1 rule.
Knowing that safety is first and always on mind. no accidents.
What we can't see also is if anyone else is in the room. When taking pictures, you put safety first again. even if they are brand new and right out of the box. safety no matter what!

lovetheblog said...

Sharla and friends,
TMZ has now at 8:50pm central time, Changed their posting.
Apparently they did a little researching and found that the guns are simply hunting rifles.

I found that TMZ never changes their blogs. I don't think anytime for the past 3 years have I seen them ever, and I mean ever change something. They will do an update.
But not change it like this.
so for those reading, they weren't big assualt guns, they were normal hunting rifles.


http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/03/19-kids-and-counting-star-john-david-duggar-jim-bob-guns-photo-indonesian-exchange-student/6/#comments-anchor

TexasDad said...

Hello everyone this is chris again,

I am typing this time myself.
I have been takening a closer look at the pictures some more. Something about the The foreign exchange students gun just looked off to me.
I am going to say it might actually be a Paint ball gun. You can buy paint ball guns that look and feel just like Real guns.
The reason why, is if you look at the "gun" I will refer to it as that, until I am sure, by markings that its what I think it is.
Now to help show you what made me think of this, and I am searching the paint ball site as we speak.
Bring up the picture.
go to exchange students Right Hand, see where its at.
Its left side if looking at the picture.
but its his right hand, now see where the Handle of the "gun" is, Its all Squared off, not rounded like it should be. then no shine really, the middle looks almost plastic. Which paintball guns are made of metal and plastic, some just metal.
Look at the Trigger of the gun, Its a not like a realy trigger. the trigger looks plastic.
I am going to sign off for now, and search and see if I can find this "gun".

this would make sense if it was a paint baller, to let the boy slip down with the muzzle of it. and It doesn't really have a muzzle, no its not sawed off.
I Will find out for you all.

Anonymous said...

A couple of those weapons don't look like any hunting rifle I've ever seen. You could blow a whale with those.

Anonymous said...

I won't debate whether the guns pictured can be used for hunting, although only one looks anything like the hunting rifles at this house. What is so disturbing is the pose of this picture. It isn't normal, nor does it represent the mindset of those who possess firearms for sporting purposes. The pose suggests aggression, and intimidation. The facial expression on the Duggar kid is one of defiance, and antagonism. Without words he is posturing to challenge someone or something.

I've seen hundreds of hunting/sport shooting pictures, both of my own husband and boys, and of friends and extended family. They've posed holding their guns butt in the ground, barrel in the air, standing or squatting next to deer or other animals they've shot. They've posed with the barrel aimed outward at whatever they are shooting. But, NEVER have I seen a true hunter posed to portray intimidation. That isn't what hunting or sport shooting is about. It is a hunt, either for trophy or food, but definitely not to exude some false bravado.

The picture surely contradicts the soft-spoken, lovey-dovey, mild-mannered image of this family that TLC has worked so diligently to create. Guess it illustrates all that glitters is not gold.

Anonymous said...

For me, any family who purports to be pro life would not sanction the ownership of use of guns. They certainly would not encourage their children to use any weapon.

Killing for Sport is killing. I don't think the Duggars are hungry either. The last time I saw their storage room, it was full of food. They are very careful about looking after what the men and boys in the family see with regard to immodesty. I would rather see a young girl in a pair of pants than these boys with their guns.

Maybe those young adults should sign up for the military. They will be a lot of gun handling there.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Free Discussion January 2011":

For me, any family who purports to be pro life would not sanction the ownership of use of guns. They certainly would not encourage their children to use any weapon.

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I am glad the poster said "for me" as I am sure not all pro lifers agree with her above statement. Hunting for food, regardless if you have 1000 pantries full of food, has nothing to do with abortion.

Amanda said...

To the anonymous poster who said that Michelle can't be expecting because she's shown squatting in the photos--don't be so sure! Squats are encouraged as a way to open up your pelvis for giving birth in the Bradley Method. I did squats every day of my pregnancy!

But I am in no way, shape, or form saying that she is:)

Anonymous said...

A lot of the Duggars' Christmas gifts look brand new. What happened to "buy used and save the difference"?

Anonymous said...

To TexasDad: those are REAL guns. Jim Bob said that the picture was taken before the boys went out target shooting and that they were "standard firearms purchased at a licensed gun shop." So unless we are willing to say that Jim Bob is lying, these two young men are carrying real guns, not paint guns.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars have never said that they ONLY buy used and save the difference, especially lately. They aren't being disingenuous. They still do that with many things but they obviously don't need to do that anymore all the time, so they don't. Living by that mantra is how they got through all the early lean years.

Anonymous said...

A lot of the Duggars' Christmas gifts look brand new. What happened to "buy used and save the difference"?

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Some of the stuff might be new (and they never say they never buy new stuff). Jed got a new chess set, remember? I got the impression from last year's Christmas that the children only get one or two things each from someone in the family. So it stands to reason that the family could afford that, when it happens once a year. They also probably bought very cheap stuff, from like Wal-mart.

SuzanneDeAz said...

The Duggars never said they buy EVERYTING second hand. One of the very first shows, before they had their regular shows Mr. Duggar took the kids, all of them to the store and bought new bikes for Christmas. I do believe they buy their gifts new and some of the everyday items and large appliances and vehicles they buy used.

Anonymous said...

Maybe those young adults should sign up for the military. They will be a lot of gun handling there.
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Oh that would never happen, because in the military, it's real, no "posing" about it. I imagine the thought of actually being under fire would make those Duggar boys turn pale and turn tail. They prefer the cushier "serving their country" via sitting on local boards and city councils, not the nitty gritty of the armed services.

AM MD said...

If memory serves, Jim Bob said the new Christmas bikes were a very special treat and that they would be handed down as the older kids grew. Also, that year one of the girls made dresses, aprons and bonnets for all the girls. Last year I think some of the gifts were bought at the Goodwill store.

As for the picture of the guns I'm a trauma doctor and I can't tell you how many times I've heard "I thought it was unloaded". No one should EVER point a gun at someone's head or stick it in their waistband. It's beyond irresponsible.

Anonymous said...

"I imagine the thought of actually being under fire would make those Duggar boys turn pale and turn tail. They prefer the cushier "serving their country" via sitting on local boards and city councils, not the nitty gritty of the armed services."

I don't agree with this at all. John is a volunteer firefighter, and Josh has been as well. You don't do that if you can't handle intense emergency situations, not to mention risking your life. I think John especially, and Joseph seems to be of the same mold, are the real deal, and if they served in the military would make fine soldiers who would defend our country with honor and fight for freedom without hesitation.

Sharla said...

Good morning. Please no more discussion of pro-life vs vegetarian. This isn't the place for that discussion. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

"A lot of the Duggars' Christmas gifts look brand new. What happened to "buy used and save the difference"?"

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The Duggars dispensed with buying used when the big fat TLC paychecks and freebies started.

It used to be the girls wore Little House on the Prairie dresses & shoes, and wore no makeup.

My my, how times change.

Anonymous said...

"The Duggars dispensed with buying used when the big fat TLC paychecks and freebies started."

This isn't entirely true. They still buy many things used. In the past year or so we've seen them buy a bunk-bed set (not mattresses!) at a thrift store and used vehicles, and shop for Christmas presents at a Goodwill. They have also been filmed buying clothes and shoes at thrift stores in the past year. I'm sure they do buy some things new these days, but not everything.

"It used to be the girls wore Little House on the Prairie dresses & shoes, and wore no makeup."

The girls were also about age 12 and under when the shows began filming, so due to their ages they would be fine wearing prairie dresses and no makeup.

"My my, how times change."

I for one am glad that they have. It would be highly unsettling to me to see the girls at their ages still wearing prairie dresses with no makeup, wearing used clothes and seeing the family live with all used items when we know they can afford better these days.

Anonymous said...

I'm also glad that the Duggars have changed over the years.

Just goes to show you, money DOES change people, and not always for the better. Their true colors are showing.

The Duggars are just as caught up in makeup, clothes, and gadges (I-Phones) as a lot of other people. I never bought into their goody-goody all-smiles-all-the-time mantra even back in the old days. At least now, they are a little more honest about it.

Jen said...

After the picture with the guns came out, I have heard people saying that this was out of character like they were shocked the Duggars had guns.

Hunting was mentioned on the building the house special. The decorator ask if there was anything they wanted.
Deer blind was mentioned with Michelle in a very excited voice saying the men would like that.

So we knew that they hunted and if you hunt you generally have guns.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused. I didn't see the episode with the decorator but why would they ask her for a deer blind?? (They aren't window blinds with deer on them but rather a small building out in the woods made for hunting from.)

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I do not see the girls all caught up in clothes, gadgets and makeup. I just see them as normal for their age. They have outgrown the little house on the prarie clothing and are old enough for makeup. So I guess the make up brings out their true colors? The I phones may have been given to them for the use of the cell phone towers. What is wrong with accepting gifts that most other teens have possessiion of? They most likely use the phones to keep in touch of one another just as most families do. Oh, and if they do use them for friends outside of the family that is good as many of you do not believe it is good for them to be so isolated.

I do not see them caught up in dressing as they still dress modestly and most likely the majority of their clothing is second hand. I think they are more caught up in serving one another as a family and serving the community and even beyond the community as they take trips to serve others overseas. That to are their true colors.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, between the guns and that catwalk, there is a tragedy just waiting to happen in that house.

Cyn said...

I'm confused. I didn't see the episode with the decorator but why would they ask her for a deer blind?? (They aren't window blinds with deer on them but rather a small building out in the woods made for hunting from.)
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Starting at 3:30'ish Clark Wilson asks the designer about a deer blind, and both the Duggars played along with the thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzkKeflS90&feature=related

kaekaed said...

I love that video -they are so young. JInger esp is adorable.
I need to watch more to see Jackson as a baby.
What I don't love (and even when I watched it when it 1st aired was Josh narrating) I am glad that was a one time only thing

Anonymous said...

The issue is not hunting or gun ownership. The issue is the irresponsible handling of firearms, from the handgun in John David's pocket to the gun pointed head level. Responsible gun ownership insists on always treating a gun as if it is loaded. There are too many documented cases of guns that were supposedly unloaded killing children and even experienced hunters.

Anonymous said...

I know lots of people who have catwalks and balconies in their homes. I've never heard of one injury resulting from them. Stairs can be dangerous too, but they aren't considered a safety hazard as most people have them in their homes.

Also, guns are not dangerous when they are stored in a locked gun safe and handled properly when they are used, which I'm assuming is the case at the Duggars house. Simply having guns in their home doesn't make the home dangerous for young children. We don't consider it dangerous when a police officer with a loaded weapon in his holster passes us on the street. Same principle.

Anonymous said...

I also don't see the girls as being caught up in makeup and gadgets. They are just wearing decently cute clothes and wearing their hair and makeup tastefully, as they should be. Having a cell phone is also quite normal and necessary in this day and age.

If they were dressing heinously and not grooming themselves, then we'd be seeing criticisms that they are backwards. I don't think the girls can win this one.

Kitten said...

"I don't think the fact that John-David owns the guns is something the Duggar family is trying to hide, either. It just isn't something TLC would feature on their TV show."

But gosh, I thought this was a "reality" show. Hahaha... Seriously, it certainly ISN'T something TLC would feature, becuase it is at odds with the "Duggar brand" they AND the Duggars work so hard to present. Just as they avoid openly identifying with the Quiverful movement because they fear the negative publicity, I'm guessing this aspect of the Duggars has been kept private for similar reasons.

As for gun safety, I agree with the folks who know that every gun should ALWAYS be treated as though it were loaded. Even gun fanatics (at least the intelligent ones) know that rule. Better safe than sorry for a lifetime...

TexasDad said...

To TexasDad: those are REAL guns. Jim Bob said that the picture was taken before the boys went out target shooting and that they were "standard firearms purchased at a licensed gun shop." So unless we are willing to say that Jim Bob is lying, these two young men are carrying real guns, not paint guns



In reply,


You read my post wrong my friend,
I Said the Exchange students gun, from the looks of it, COULD BE a Military replic paintball gun.
I said nothing about the Normal Hunting Rifles that John David is holding, nor the gun in his gun strap,. John duggar is holding three very real guns.
There are 4 guns in this picture and 1 mag. that goes to the wooden gun, .22.
and Jim bob said there were three guns, , But since Jim Bob said three guns, which I only found out now that he said that. I did not know he said that when my comment was typed.
But If you look close at the 4th gun, It could be a paintball gun. I questioned this, because of the trigger on the gun, and other details from it.
So, 3 guns I know of, and the 4th might or might not be a real gun.

Anonymous said...

Just because something is a reality show doesn't mean we need (or even want) to be shown every detail of their lives and shown the contents of every closet and cabinet in their home. Just because we didn't know John owned three guns that he uses for hunting and target practice doesn't mean it was purposely trying to be hidden. I suspect there's a lot of belongings the Duggars have that we've never seen, and things they do that have never been filmed, which is the way it should be.

Most likely TLC makes the decisions on what is shown and what's not. It probably isn't the Duggars saying " make sure you never get any footage of our guns because we're trying to hide them!"

Anonymous said...

Did you know that police officers guns are loaded at all times. They are on the Waist Holster at all times.
We know they are unloaded, Because you can see that they are in the picture, What we don't know is if a bullet has been left in the chamber.
BUT I am sure the duggars did not leave a bullet in the chamber.
They are all about rules and following them. I am sure these boys followed the rules.

PLUS, in Jim Bobs family pictures, He has a picture of John David skinning his first deer, with his friend, that helped him.

They are not hiding that they hunt, they never have. TLC edits and picks and chooses what they want to air.
I bet we will see in a new episode something about the guns.
Why do you and I have to know all about there life.
I just don't understand what all the fuss is about.
I guess if you didn't grow up around hunting or in a area of the states that hunts. You do not understand, and won't.
parents in Their area, Ark. Okla. texas, They hunt all seasons.
They start taking their boys "somegirls" at around 12yrs old. and Pictures are taken, this picture is not even bad.
google hunting pictures, You will see MILLIONS of pictures.

Jennib395 said...

To commentors,

Hi!

Just wanted to help you all out with the gun in john davids picture.

1. Bring up picture.
2. go to JD's 3rd gun at his waist
3. See the butt of the gun, the wooden part.
4. now from the wood scan your eyes down just a bit to the silver shiny piece.
5. Right below the shiny piece is a black Holster strap.
6. then you can even see the guns muzzle
7. the strap is part of the gun holster, that is attached to his belt, we cannot see the belt, due to his coat. But you can clearly see the strap.
8. Now see the little kid drawing that is on the wall behind him.
9. see the ivy plant below it, follow the ivy down till you see the little bit of yellow in it. the yellow is up against his pants to, That is a dead leave. "I have this type of ivy"
10. now that you see the drawing and the yellow, go back to the butt or wooden handle of the gun, follow the gun,into the picture and ivy.

You will clearly see, the gun is not in his pocket, but in a holster, and the muzzle is going into the picture/ivy



Hope this helps all of you,
let me know if you see it.
and if I can make the 10. things easier to point out.
thanks


ps. Also look at John Davids pocket that is over his heart, he has the magazine to the .22 in that pocket

TexasDad said...

Jim Bob insists all three weapons were UNLOADED -- and were each "standard firearms purchased at a licensed gun shop."

see he said, three weapons, Which makes me think even more that the one on the right, is holding a replica paintball gun.

Because if he isn't, then why wouldn't Jim Bob say, ALL FOUR GUNS, are unloaded.

I think people who do not hunt are making to much out of this.

This picture is very very normal for the states in the middle of our country.

I would hate for you to ever see a picture of my friends, cousins and I sitting with our catch, on the back of our trucks, with our guns in hand.

karen said...

there was nothing menacing about that photo - now granted my family have been known to go out and have target practice after Sunday dinner (still in our church clothes) - so maybe I'm not the most unbiased.
All I see is an adult, john david, holding 2 guns (rifle and a shotgun) with a 3rd in a holster at his waist with all of them pointed in a safe direction. (looks like he is carrying them to go out the door) and I see an older teen, the exchange student, who needs to be taught how to handle guns properly and whom I assume was taught the basics right after that photo was taken and before any gun was loaded around him. And maybe TexasDad is right, maybe the inexperienced guy is holding a paintball gun (we know they play paintball) - it is odd looking for a real gun.

karen said...

someone on the TMZ comments said the gun the exchange student was holding is a mossberg built-up shotgun (an unloaded one). I checked and it looked very similar - shotguns have too much kick for me so I don't know if it is that or not.

Sharla said...

Your moderators are not happy. Can we manage to dial back the rhetoric and emotion over the gun picture?

Anonymous said...

To answer some previous posts, in that early building the house special they mentioned wanting a "deer stand". Whatever that is?

Also, the bikes they got in an early special were all donated bikes. Part of their pay for doing the show. They also got that climber with swings donated as part of their pay.

The Duggars do seem to be hitting the thrift stores less often. They are rolling in dough now. Just hope they get the boys new sturdier beds soon.

As for the guns, I think the Duggars have purposely kept that side of their lives private for a reason. Now the secret is out. I wonder what else they are keeping on the down low.

Anonymous said...

"As for the guns, I think the Duggars have purposely kept that side of their lives private for a reason. Now the secret is out. I wonder what else they are keeping on the down low."

My thought is, I hope plenty. I sure don't want to know everything about these people's lives, reality show or not. It would make me feel like a voyeuristic peeping tom. It's already bad enough that I know what the inside of all their bedrooms looks like.

I agree with other posters who have said they don't think the Duggars were trying to keep gun ownership a "secret". It's not like it's an illegal activity that needed to be kept under wraps. It probably hasn't been a relevant topic on any of the shows thus far so therefore no reason for it to be pointed out.

Anonymous said...

When we choose to watch Reality Shows, we are voyeurs. we are looking into a window at their lives. When someone chooses to open their lives to Reality Television, they are, in essence, inviting all and sundry into their lives. They are exposed, the lives of their children are exposed.

Around this time last year, Michelle and Josie were very ill. The cameras were there for everything. They were there for Michelle's high blood pressure and ultimate Cesarean Section decision. This lady was quite sick and in a very precarious situation, medically. Jim Bob spoke very intimately to complete strangers regarding the situation. The cameras were in the nursery of a very sick little preemie from day one or two.

I, personally, found that unbelievable. The situation was quite serious and those moments should have been private. However, the Duggars chose to have it filmed for all the world to see. I find it incomprehensible.

Anonymous said...

What is shown or not shown on our screens at home is all part of the intent of TLC, etc... to present to us what they wish us to see. I have never been under the illusion that "The Duggars" that I see at 8:30 every Tuesday is what is truly happening in the regular day-to-day lives of the real Duggar Family. Good, bad, or otherwise.

IMHO, while the message they intend to present is wildly different, this program is really not much different than Jersey Shore in that they get a whole bunch of activities on film then pick and choose what to include based on the "theme" of that episode and what they can use to hook viewers. While others may disagree, I think of this program as entertainment first. While I may learn a thing or two along the way, the same can be said about virtually any other program that isn't a dedicated news program.

Anonymous said...

I really don't think someone of Jim Bob's ilk would have absolutely "No Say" in what makes the cut to the television screen.

I think he has given TLC a lot of latitude with regards to what goes on and what does not.

He does not seem to have problem in allowing sensitive issues regarding his wife and children broadcast to the world. We may consider it entertainment, but those children are not trained monkeys. They are young people with warts and hormones and I am sure there are some occasions where they would prefer to just be left alone

ennvee said...

The Duggars will be featured speakers at a Pregnancy Care Center in Lawrence KS next month. Do you think that, spliced with the kids along the highway holding up their anti-abortion signs will make the show?

My guess is no. They sidestep that on the show with the "there can never be too many flowers" nonsense rather than show how militant they really are.

Lawrence appearance link:

http://www.duggarsinlawrence.com/

Jedidiah, Jim Bob and Grandma with signs along the highway were linked here, I believe, in the family albums, so they are easy enough to access.

At any rate, the Duggars want to keep their squeaky clean image and that means TLC won't air any of their more controversial appearances, as has been their practice since the series began.

Anonymous said...

'What is shown or not shown on our screens at home is all part of the intent of TLC, etc... to present to us what they wish us to see. I have never been under the illusion that "The Duggars" that I see at 8:30 every Tuesday is what is truly happening in the regular day-to-day lives of the real Duggar Family. Good, bad, or otherwise.

IMHO, while the message they intend to present is wildly different, this program is really not much different than Jersey Shore in that they get a whole bunch of activities on film then pick and choose what to include based on the "theme" of that episode and what they can use to hook viewers. While others may disagree, I think of this program as entertainment first."

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Amen and well said!!! I'll say it again: The Duggars are a TLC BRAND and I'm sure the Duggars, like all other actors in 'reality' shows, are under contract to publically display only behavior that is consistent with the TLC-conceived branding.

The only part of the initial comment I disagree with is that the Duggars (or any other 'reality') show qualifies as 'entertainment'. These programs use the same formula, over and over again, the only difference being in different brands (charactors/behaviors/'beliefs') created specically to appeal to varying demographics. The desired demographic determines the content and breadth of the brand.

The Duggar family is no different than the Gosselins in that they are actors participating, on camera, in a planned activitues that will always be consistent with their BRAND.

When it comes to the 'message' the Duggars claim to want to spread ('encouragement'), in this case 'message' is synonymous with the word brand.

Anonymous said...

"At any rate, the Duggars want to keep their squeaky clean image and that means TLC won't air any of their more controversial appearances, as has been their practice since the series began"

I don't see how airing their anti-abortion protests would dirty their image any. We all know they're pro-life and not afraid to lobby about it. The Duggars have never been afraid to voice their opinions and practices on things, controversial or not, I really think they couldn't care less. If anyone cares, it's the TLC machine and they are just filming what they think is going to attract the most viewers. I really think the Duggars don't care in the least what is filmed or left out. They are who they are and not afraid of it, I think that's apparent.

BTW, Michelle's "saying there are too many children is like there are too many flowers" is not a Michell Duggar original. It was originally a statement from Mother Teresa, who made that statement regarding her charity work with impoverished children in non-American countries. Just a little food for thought.

Regular Poster but anon due to location said...

Why would their appearance at a pregnancy care center be controversial? They are clearly pro-life and there has never been any question of that. I can see why pic of them holding signs along a roadside could upset people (being seen as forcing their beliefs upon people) but the pregnancy care center appearance is a fundraiser for which people will pay to attend. They are not forcing their beliefs upon anyone, merely appearing in front of a crowd who has paid to see them in support of the pregnancy care center.

I live in Lawrence and I plan to be there to see them!

Anonymous said...

Thanks to the poster who pointed out that Michelle's "children = flowers" comment is actually attributed to Mother Theresa. I knew this also, and IMO, it doesn't fall into the category of "nonsense" at all.

Cyn said...

And when Michelle said it she attributed it to Mother Teresa... another fact that seems to have gotten lost in the ensuing years.

ennvee said...

TW, Michelle's "saying there are too many children is like there are too many flowers" is not a Michell Duggar original. It was originally a statement from Mother Teresa, who made that statement regarding her charity work with impoverished children in non-American countries. Just a little food for thought.

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I know the origin of the phrase. I'm just pointing out the constant use of it on the Duggar show to make their point about abortion. They are NOT using the phrase in the same context as Mother Teresa did in her work. But that's another debate. My point was to demonstrate how the Duggars have learned to sanitize the malevolence behind the REAL work they do for their beliefs.

It's their right to parade their kids along the side of the road protesting abortion, but it's my right to criticize them and observe that this sort of behavior is not much better than the reviled folks of Westboro Batptist who also use children to do their dirty work.

Anonymous said...

I think supporting a pregnancy care center is very proactive and is much better than protesting outside a abortion clinic.at least they are actually getting something done by helping pregnant women.jmo.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Supporting a pregnancy care center is a good thing and I do believe the Duggars put their energery and means of service in the areas of their strong beliefs in pro life. Often others complain that prolifers do not support the baby or mother after they are born but only want them to be born. A center of such often supports the mother and baby not only through the 9 months of pregnancy but after the baby is born giving them clothing and food, baby items, furniture and other care.

Perhaps the Duggar girls rather give of their time volunteering here and at other worthy causes rather than going on to college if at this point in their life they do not know what they want to do. I know many young people who choose not to go to college till they know what they want to study, including my own daughter. They wee others spending money on tuition and other items only to end up not using their education for a job and now having a huge loan.

It is in ones youth, before they marry that they are free to give of their time to volunteer moreso than once they are married with children and have to give most of their means, time and energy to their own family. I admire this family and how the girls are giving of their time to serve others as well as their own immediate family, how unselfish of them.

Anonymous said...

Just as Michelle Duggar is free to decide for herself to have an annual baby X 20 years, so should others be free to decide for themselves to opt out of an unwanted pregnancy.

Let the Duggars tend to their own 'flowers' - it would be great if they'd show equal respect to different belief systems, including whether or not to create 'flowers'.

no1 said...

RE: "Often others complain that prolifers do not support the baby or mother after they are born but only want them to be born."

Exactly. While Mr. and Mrs. Duggar may support their brood in the sense that a home and food is provided, I think it has clearly been demonstrated that the primary concern is procreation without regard for parent:child bonding, individualized attention, nurturing, or realistic parenting decisions made in the interest of the 'flower.'

Sharla said...

If you have an honest question as to why a comment is rejected or removed, please email one of the moderators and include your comment that did not go through. Sending us mean, spiteful, or nasty comments only means that those nasty comments will not be read. We delete those as soon as their nature becomes apparent. We do NOT reject comments because of being pro- or anti- Duggar.

I know many think we allow more of the other side through and have "pets." The ones you think get preferential treatment probably have more rejects than anyone else. :) I think we end up rejecting the pro and con sides about evenly.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

The Duggars have never shownb disrespect to those who do not take their same view on children or any other viewpoints on other matters so I do not understand the statement that they need to show equal respect. Supporting a Pregnancy center is not showeing disprect for those who would not support a center as such.

Anonymous said...

If the duggers are going to a pregnancy clinic then it is one of those that really push a person not to have an abortion. the ones that guilt a person into not having one.

Anon due to location said...

Since it's not directly related to the Duggars, I won't go in to detail, but hopefully the admins will allow me to state that I have personal knowledge of the pregnancy care center where they are doing the fundraiser and the pregnancy care center does NOT guilt women into not having abortions.

Ally said...

I was surprised to see the children=flowers statement interpreted by some as their views on abortion. I always thought Michelle was talking about her decision to have as many kids as she and Jim Bob do (this is not to say that anyone is right/wrong - just my opinion).

roddma said...

I" think they are more caught up in serving one another as a family and serving the community and even beyond the community as they take trips to serve others overseas. That to are their true colors." Of course no one would turn down a free cell phone. I just find it hypocritical they were big on buy used and save the difference before TLC and allow the children to accept newly donated items. Not that I see anything wrong with the donations but it seems Buy Used and Save the Difference has lost its meaning. If it is so important to them, why accept these new toys? If it were me I would tell TLC give them to a needy family especially when you are making a decent income from the show and an buy your kids the new items. I read somewhere the 'mission trips' can be claimed as tax write offs. I will have to look up more on this.I really admire someone who really goes to help people but not just for a tax write off.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Buying used and saving the difference is just as it says, to save the difference. Receiving cell phones as part of a package deal for having a contract with a cell phone tower does not negate their practice of saving the difference. They are saving when they do not have to buy the phones. Who said they were donated as it can be part of the contract.


Even if taking a mission trip was tax deductable, which I doubt, who is to say that is their purpose for the mission trip? My daughter took mission trips all of the time when she was in high school and not one of them was tax deductable so again there is another assumption here. It seems no matter what they do there is always someone pinning a motive on this family. By the way they do give up many denations to others besides donating themselves their time and means. Those mission trips not only cost big bucks to travel but they take toys and buy food for those in need.

Anonymous said...

"I really admire someone who really goes to help people but not just for a tax write off."

I highly doubt the Duggars' motivation for going on mission trips is for tax write-offs. A mission trip is way too much trouble and work just for a tax write-off. The shots and vaccinations alone, that are required to go to Central America, are daunting and would scare off any but the most committed. Then there are the less-than-comfortable accommodations when they get there (they aren't staying at a resort!) not to mention the precautions that must be taken with the food and water to prevent illness and parasite infestation. For me, a tax write-off wouldn't figure into the picture in the slightest if I were thinking about undertaking such an adventure.

Anonymous said...

"No way someone so young can buy a car lot and rental house."

We don't know if this is true. While this is definitely unusual, remember that Josh had been selling cars and working in the car business since he was 16. He had four years before he got married to make money and save money. He also worked on some construction projects in his late teens also. If he saved his money from these ventures, he would have had way more money than your average 20 year old.

Anonymous said...

"I was surprised to see the children=flowers statement interpreted by some as their views on abortion. I always thought Michelle was talking about her decision to have as many kids as she and Jim Bob do"

I was going to say the same thing. I have only heard Michelle make this statement regarding herself and JimBob, never in connection with their abortion views. She was saying it in response to those people who say she and JimBob have too many children.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the cost of volunteering abroad is deductible, much like the mileage for volunteering locally. (A quick Google search will show you many organizations touting this.)

Reality TV Junkie said...

Getting new phones given to them has nothing to do with the "buy used and save the difference." They have already said that if they are offered something (like the meal in the Ethiopian restaurant), they will accept it. I don't they would turn something like that away, because it's really not polite to do so. I think it's totally fine to have something given to you.

Living takes Money! said...

Josh was still riding around on the family "field trip" bus at 16-20 (as he still is now, pregnant wife and toddler in tow). We don't even see any time for education, much less working enough to afford buying a business AND a home! Even the most hardworking teenagers can barely save enough to pay rent and expenses, much less houses and businesses.

So, there was probably some help in there. Which is fine, but will Jim Bob help all his sons in this way?

I do think John David is extremely hard working and if he has saved enough money to rent (not buy) a house, I'd be less surprised. He's much harder working than Josh.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they can take they save when they buy and save the difference and buy some beds and sheets for the little kids. That irks me to no end. They buy all sorts of useless toys (gators, golf carts, 60 million cars) but the things they claim is most important to them don't have proper sleeping arrangements. It doesn't make sense.

roddma said...

The average family inst set up like the Duggars to take 'mission trips'. the kids go to regular school so summer would be the only time and consider many cant afford to travel in America let alone outside the country.
I have some theories about Josh and his business deals.I wonder if it is possible Josh makes 'payments' to Grandma Duggar. That wouldn't be the same debt as borrowing from bank and if he needed could miss a 'payment' or two. The only ones set up to buy are the filthy rich and the Duggars weren't that well off in the past. How do we know the car lot wasnt a wedding gift? But it can also be possible for the older kids to have saved up a bunch of money since none of them ever owned a vehicle. Im not always trying to find a negative motive but a realistic answer. It was only Jim Bob who said he didn't believe in debt.I never heard from Josh one way or another.

mitzimoo said...

I was surprised to see the children=flowers statement interpreted by some as their views on abortion. I always thought Michelle was talking about her decision to have as many kids as she and Jim Bob do...
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It's easy to interpret the "flowers" statement as a pro-life stance. It's also telling that Kelly Bates has used the same phrase, word for word, as well. I know many Christians and Catholics with large families and I have NEVER heard that phrase come from any of the mothers, or their offspring.

At any rate, what is the alternative of having "too many flowers?" It's a metaphor, but it assuredly comes from Gothard or Phillips, since it's too much of a coincidence that two women living in two different states, with only their religion in common, blatantly state this phrase for the TLC cameras. It's not random; they stated their purpose plain as day. They just "keep sweet" about it in front of the cameras.

We know from the other protests, speaking engagements and now parading the kids on the side of the road with anti-abortion signs that they are far more radical than portrayed on their show.

Anonymous said...

Happy 21st birthday to Jana and John David!

Anonymous said...

"We know from the other protests, speaking engagements and now parading the kids on the side of the road with anti-abortion signs that they are far more radical than portrayed on their show."

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Amen! As with all 'reality' actors, TLC picks and chooses exactly what each BRAND will be, and only activities and script that is consistent with this branding will be shown.

I'd also bet the farm that each of these 'reality' actors are also contracted to keep their public behavior & speech absolutely in alignment with their assigned branding.

In this way, the Duggars are no different than any other 'reality' programs and their actors, including the Gosselins, Snooky, Kardashians - it is all in the branding.

Parts of the Duggars' life that is deemed by TLC to lose more viewers than it gains are kept under wraps so as to preserve the lucrative brand.

Anonymous said...

Roddma: "How do we know the car lot wasnt a wedding gift? ...It was only Jim Bob who said he didn't believe in debt.I never heard from Josh one way or another."

Great point! We all know what Michelle and Jim Bob believe-- but, for the most part, we can only assume with Josh and Anna. As far as we know, from what's been publicly stated, we know that Josh and Anna believe in dressing modestly, not using birth control, and that men are the breadwinners and women are their helpmeets. That's about it.

We don't know that they haven't been gifted their properties, if Josh paid cash for all of them at the onset, if they got a mortgage, home, or business loan to help out, or if they simply rent all their properties.

As someone who is a year older than Josh, who worked 30 hours a week throughout high school and full-time now and during college (which my family graciously paid for), and who was also married young-- I'm skeptical of Josh, at 20 years old, being able to buy two properties right-out, as well as the inventory for his business (I'm referencing the episode where he goes to car auction). To be able to do that, he'd need at least 100k cash, between the cost of his home, business, and the inventory. On top of this, he now has a child and another business.

I'm 23 now, and my husband and I just bought our first house after years of renting and scrupulous saving. We still had to get a mortgage, despite both of us working like dogs as teens and having full-time jobs for 5 years. I'm not judging Josh for being more prosperous than me-- I'm genuinely curious how he makes ends meet, at 22 with two businesses, a home, and soon-to-be two kids at home.

I'd love to see an episode in the new season cover this subject- for people that encourage others to "go forth and multiply," it'd be nice to hear how a young, modern family supports themselves whilst multiplying.

CappuccinoLife said...

At any rate, what is the alternative of having "too many flowers?" It's a metaphor, but it assuredly comes from Gothard or Phillips,

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As some others pointed out, it is *not* a "Gothardism".

Comes from Mother Theresa. Catholic. ;)

I happen to know a few Catholics who like and use that phrase.

Anonymous said...

I do agree that they should highlight the current homeschooling process more in future seasons. It would be nice to know which kids excel or struggle in specific subjects, what the older kids scored on the GED, the idea of college, etc.... I am so over the endless field trips and birthdays....

Anonymous said...

Regarding Josh and his car lot and house - being a 31 year old male, I can say that I always found it hard to make ends meet even as a single person in my 20's, and working full time in jobs that were paying decently. Life is expensive, most people can attest to that, and I don't see how a guy that is like 22 years old can own his own business, own his own home, and provide well for his wife, child, and one on the way. It just doesn't add up. He must have some help, there is no question about it. He hasn't been in business long enough to be financially stable. He's selling used cars after all, not exactly the most profitable business, no matter how successful it is. He's either getting help from his parents, his grandmother (and that poor woman really needs a break, I mean c'mon, load afer load of laundry? Forget Michelle, SHE is the matriarch of the family and should be treated like one) - and getting back to Josh - he may also be getting help from TLC.

And am I the only one who really doesn't like him? His ego preceeds him and he's even more self-righteous than Jim Bob. Anna is the most wonderful, humble, kind hearted person, and she's stuck with this guy who is definitely beneath her. I can't find one redeeming quality about him except that he believes in God and that he provides for his family (which he has to do). His personality just sucks. I remember the one espiode where he and Anna go on a double date with Amy and her boyfriend, and Josh is grilling and challenging this guy left and right. Who the heck is he to do that? Her father? And the poor guy (who seemed like a pefectly decent person) was visibly uncomfotable about Josh doing this. It was really rude and uncalled for. Maybe the Duggars should teach manners and respect for other people when they teach their kids about character.

Anonymous said...

I accept the fact that the Duggars have unusual and some would say extreme religious beliefs, and that these beliefs lead them to protest against liquor licenses, or perhaps protest against other things. I also accept that they will raise their children, even their adult children, in a very controlled and prescribed way. They will not let their children attend public school, nor even a private Christian school. They do not believe in higher education. They think the primary purpose for women is to obey her husband and have as many babies as possible.

All these things are disagreeable to me, but I can accept that they hold these views and believe in them very firmly.

What I find hypocritical is the fact that they are willing to sugar coat or outright hide some of their deepest beliefs from the viewing public, in order to continue to be on a successful tv show and earn money. On the one hand, they are often rather sanctimonious about how much better their work choices are - self-employed so they don't have to work on the Sabbath, or as Josh said about being an extra on a Christian-themed movie, volunteering as extras rather than being paid as would happen on a Hollywood movie.

But how is their work ethic any better, when they knowingly and willingly hide some of their more extreme beliefs and behaviors from the camera, in order to keep their day job?

Or perhaps they would be fine with having such things filmed and aired, but TLC knows that viewers would turn the show off if they realized some of the more unusual aspects of the Duggar/Gothard lifestyle.

However, JimBob keeps signed renewals with TLC, so clearly they are willing to accept those terms in order to be on tv and make lots of money.

It's not so much their religion that I find objectionable (although I do), it's the fact that they are willing to sell out part of who they are in return for fame and money.

Kitten said...

I'm genuinely curious how he makes ends meet, at 22 with two businesses, a home, and soon-to-be two kids at home.

Three little letters... T.L.C. Whether it's the money he earns from being on the show, or the freebies he gets by association, or the free publicity he gets for his business, it's all about being part of the Duggar train. If TLC had never come calling, neither Josh nor his parents would be anywhere near where they are today financially.

Now, maybe if Josh had demonstrated some skills in a high-paying field such as consulting, programming, etc., I'd be willing to accept he could have done this on his own. I know some 20-somethings who are pulling in 100K+ in those fields without a college degree, but I've seen nothing in Josh to indicate that he has anywhere near the same level of dedication and smarts these kids do. For me, that was confirmed when I read/heard that his paperwork was a complete mess until Anna took it all over.

Chris said...

Remember Josh lived at home from 16-20 for free and was working to start up his business. I think JimBob helped him get the first few used cars and then he used the profits to buy more and so on. Even if he only sold 2-3 cars a month between ages 18-20 , he could have saved 30k+ easily.

I just hope all goes well with having kids and health insurance. That is the only thing I see as an issue. One premmie or big complication and that could cost him.

I am still very interested in how JimBob and Michelle paid for Josie's bills. There was another baby Samuel that was on one of the episodes. Michelle talked to Sam's mom because Sam had almost the exact same problems, similiar birth weight, bowel issues, and stayed about the same time in the hospital. Sam's mom was a teacher and had insurance but the baby was put on medicaid automatically. Even after both insurnace, that family is struggling with the cost of oxygen, RSV shots, and therapy. The bills were over 1 million dollars so far. You can read thier blog http://samuelpope.blogspot.com/.
So either the Duggars took medicaid for Josie, they maxed out their private policy, or they have one of those church sharing plans. I wish they would just admit one of these. They say they want to share there journey to help others. One of the bigges parts of the journey is the insurance, just look at baby Sam's family.

Sharla said...

Please remember the discussion is about the Duggars and not our personal lives. Several comments were rejected for being mostly personal information. Also they need to be written in at least close to standard English. Thank you!

ProudMrs. said...

It's pointless to speculate about how Josh's ability to provide compares to anyone else - period. Like him or not, like his willingness (or lack thereof) to explicitly list every freebie, paycheck or accommodation given to him or not, he has EARNED his ability to provide. We might not agree with his definition of earned, and might see him as selling his privacy (and/or self) to TLC and the public, but not a single one of us are in his shoes and therefore can't be an authority on how to spend the $$. Of course he's smug - he hasn't had a failure in life yet. Again, like it or not, his parent's way of doing things worked for them and that is the example he's learned from.

Anonymous said...

I find it ludicrous that TLC and the Duggars expect us to buy into their 'buy used/save the dif.' as the reason for their current wealth.

Prior to TLC, the Duggars were living at an almost poverty-line level. Please do not insult our intelligence by expecting us to believe that their current lifestyle is not thanks to their TLC income, NOT their own financial 'savvy'.

Anonymous said...

Re: Josh having health insurance....he doesn't have to worry about maternity costs that much since he makes his wife pop them out (without planning) on national tv. Cost = $0

Anonymous said...

I would imagine that TLC paid quite a little bit for the footage of poor Anna in Labour. For me, the very last thing i would have wanted at a time like that would have been a lot of strangers hanging around and filming every little movement. I think they should be ashamed of themselves. I don't think Anna got much comfort from any of that.
This family yells "Nike" for absolutely ridiculous things and then expose their wives in what should be a very private situations. This "side hugging" is another absurd practice. This is all changed, however when skydiving is involved. Your body is almost pasted to the person flying with you. Pretty hypocritical to me. "Don't talk the talk if you don't walk the walk", I say..

Cyn said...

Prior to TLC, the Duggars were living at an almost poverty-line level.

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I want to live at the Duggar Poverty-line level.

Prior to the show they paid CASH for the 250,000.00 land the house sits on. (by selling other properties they owned with no debt). They paid CASH for the "tinker toy" project at a cost of roughly 50K per kit and they bought 2 kits. (That's just the steel, that's not the drywall, plumbing, whole house wet dry vac system, the heating, intercom system, etc) They paid cash for the industrial kitchen, the short buses, golf carts, atvs, and the like.... All viewable in the first few yearly type specials.

They bought and sold 2 businesses, various properties, and according to most on this site gave Josh the car business, and various other things. (I don't think they did) Josh started the car business when he was 16-17 during the time the Duggars were filming the first two specials.

From what I can find TLC doesn't and didn't pay that much for a 1 hour special... so how does that make it "TLC pulled them out of the poverty level"?
(Moving in was one of the last "specials" before the show actually started airing.)

The Duggars after almost 20 years were almost at the top of that finical 'hill' TLC didn't take them 3/4 of the way up that hill, TLC money simply gave them that push over the top.

ennvee said...

Will someone please explain to me how Duggar repeats are airing on Fit TV? Last time I checked, that channel was about workouts and healthy cooking/living.

I guess it's also a Discovery owned station, but still, that's a weird programming choice, especially at 5pm.

Sharla said...

Will someone please explain to me how Duggar repeats are airing on Fit TV?

Discovery is realigning some of it's channels. Now that Discovery Health is OWN, they've begun "spilling" some of what used to be on Discovery Health to Fit.

ennvee said...

Thanks, Sharla. I didn't notice until you mentioned it that OWN is on Discovery Health's prior channel.

After I posted and watched a bit of the Duggars in Pigeon Forge v.1, I saw the previews for the ER show and Dr. G, so I knew something similar to what you mentioned was up. Thanks for the explanation. :)

ennvee said...

Just realized from the date of the premiere episode that the Duggars have been moved to Monday nights. What Not to Wear has taken their old time slot. What's really strange is, for a family show, it's airing at 10:30! Very strange...

Anyway, I found some future episode descriptions:

1/31
The Duggars donate their time to the volunteer fire department and are later off to Oklahoma to make supply parachutes for persecuted Columbians.

1/31
Family and friends visit for lunch; Michelle records an audio book; the family heads back to Little Rock to help serve dinner at a fish fry.

2/7
The family takes a trip to visit the set of a Passion Play; Jill gives Josie her first piano lesson.

Since the show will now air on Valentine's Day, I guess that's when they'll air the Josie VSE. That makes more sense. Still baffled about their poor time slot, although on the west coast I can watch them after Jeopardy and get back to studying.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see some of the *real questions answered,not just the superficial,pre-planned answers the Duggars give to most questions asked of them.
Things like,who told them for sure that the pill caused Michelle's misscarriage? WHO got them into the Gothard lifestyle to begin with? was it this same Dr?why didn't they realize they were being guilt-tripped? or did they meet a politcal family and decide they wanted the same for ther family? did JB and M decide together to stop using birth control,or was it JB's command that they not use it?
would like to see some real answers to these questions,for a change.

roddma said...

"I'm skeptical of Josh, at 20 years old, being able to buy two properties right-out, as well as the inventory for his business (I'm referencing the episode where he goes to car auction). To be able to do that, he'd need at least 100k cash, between the cost of his home, business, and the inventory. On top of this, he now has a child and another business. "

I have seen the ins and outs of business. There are down times and profitable times. The 100k wouldn't include the cost of the monthly utilities plus insurance. And just think, there are several more males to follow in his footsteps. It seems Jim Bob is dead set on giving all his sons a business. I predict Josiah is next to get one. Tontitown would not be big enough for all the boys to run a successful car lot or real estate venture unless business came from surrounding counties.

Anonymous said...

I would just like to throw a thought out there about the Duggars' financial ideas:

I find it consistently simplistic to assign yet another black vs. white designation on reasonable debt (mortgage/car payment in alignment with income level) vs. such a proudly & loudly 'no debt' perspective.

As with so many other issues, the best approach lies on neither extreme of the spectrum.

I believe most of us are smart enough to be able to responsibly address financial and ethical issues by accepting that most areas in life include some very grey and very acceptable options.

IMO, assuming an 'all or nothing' mentality is something less than desirable approach to finances, ethics, life in general.

On this level, I am unable to stand behind the Duggars.

I give the Duggars no bonus points for choosing to cram so many people into a really low class rental JUST so they could so proudly proclaim to the world that they are debt free.

Somewhere between being financed beyond one's means and having zero debt lies the soundest route, IMO.

Anonymous said...

"I give the Duggars no bonus points for choosing to cram so many people into a really low class rental JUST so they could so proudly proclaim to the world that they are debt free."

I don't get the impression anywhere that the Duggars sacrificed the way they did so they could proclaim to others about their "debt-freeness." That's much too hard to do just to be able to tell people you're debt-free. To have the level of commitment that they had, you'd have to have really strong convictions about what you're doing and totally not care what others think. You'd have to be doing it because you wanted a long-range goal really, really badly. I think that's the only thing that would get them through living in small houses while they waited and saved and built.

Besides, if all they wanted to do was tell people they were debt-free, they could have lived in bigger houses and just told people they were debt-free whether it was true or not. There's no way anyone would know one way or the other.

Anonymous said...

"I want to live at the Duggar Poverty-line level."

Totally agree! I always think it's funny when people say that the only reason the Duggars aren't living in poverty is because TLC came along. A quick perusal of the facts shows that wasn't the case at all. Sure they lived in smallish homes, had used clothes and furnishings - but that doesn't constitute poverty in any way. Especially considering all the assets they purchased and leveraged by living in small homes and wearing used clothes. Those were the sacrifices they chose to make so they could purchase the businesses and properties they wanted to, but it didn't leave them living in poverty.

Anonymous said...

Michelle says they were very frugal and didn't buy anything unneeded suring the lean years,but you can clearly see a huge carnival-style popcorn maker behind her head in that particular show,plus other things within the house decor that weren't absolutely necessary.they weren't destitute and they clearly spent money.

roddma said...

"I give the Duggars no bonus points for choosing to cram so many people into a really low class rental JUST so they could so proudly proclaim to the world that they are debt free. "
Some say how the Duggars made sacrifices to get debt free but actually the kids are the one making the sacrifices. They didn't pick to wear hand me downs, second hand toys, or used shoes to save parents a few bucks. There is a big difference in having to live the way and choosing to have many kids and then almost bragging how you became debt free living in 900 ft sq car lot house. That's what Duggar supporters cant understand.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

" You'd have to be doing it because you wanted a long-range goal really, really badly. I think that's the only thing that would get them through living in small houses while they waited and saved and built. "

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I think maybe one reason why others just can not understand the Duggars and make comments like the Duggars are bragging or that they were in poverty as most Americans do not understand the concept of "sacrifice" and to live below their means so that they can prepare for the future. I think we live in a "now" generation. Many couples when they marry want to live on the same level or a higher level than what their parents live after years of working. When they buy a home they buy the largest home they qualify for and then when they move in they feel they have to fill it up with new and expensive furniture and appliances. What the Duggars did is very uncommon for today's generation and it makes it very hard for many to understand so they put their spin on them that I personally feel is more of a projection of how the blogger views life than what the Duggars are actually living. Not many people know, understand or experience delayed gratification to the extent that the Duggars have chosen to live.

Anonymous said...

I just don't understand how they could physically fit that many children into a 900 sq ft home. I live with my husband (no kids, no pets) in a 1,030 sq ft apartment. And we only have 2 bedrooms.

It's just right for the two of us, and maybe the occasional visit from my parents, but we are quite cramped with guests.

I would like to see some sort of floor plan or layout because I absolutely cannot see how anybody could have multiple children in this space, even with bunkbeds.

We can fit 4 people around our table comfortably, 6 in a pinch. Our living room has 1 couch that seats 3 people.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the idea that the Duggars take an extreme idea, for example no premarital kissing, and debt free, and then assign to that extreme idea a moral weight that, IMO, is invalid.

There is nothing inherently more ethical about choosing not to merely kiss premaritally. There is nothing inherently more ethical about being debt free.

There are many ways to be morally and financially responsible, and the Duggars are not necessarily the gold standard, just because they choose the extreme conservative end of the scale.

Anonymous said...

"Some say how the Duggars made sacrifices to get debt free but actually the kids are the one making the sacrifices. They didn't pick to wear hand me downs, second hand toys, or used shoes to save parents a few bucks. There is a big difference in having to live the way and choosing to have many kids and then almost bragging how you became debt free living in 900 ft sq car lot house. That's what Duggar supporters cant understand. "

Nobody gets to choose what family they're born into. Each family has different things they teach their kids and things the kids learn. The Duggar kids learned frugality and simple living in their early years. I think this is an awesome thing. It makes them appreciate the abundance later instead of taking it for granted. They weren't going hungry or unclothed or unsheltered besides, just living frugally. I doubt the kids even knew they were "sacrificing", since they were so young and didn't know any different.

Living this way saved the family more than a few bucks - it saved them tons, as evidenced by what they were able to save up for and purchase. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash over a few year time period to buy pieces of land, businesses, etc. These transactions, and the amounts paid for them, are detailed in the book the Duggars wrote.

In addition, the older kids (the youngers don't know any different than the lifestyle they have now) are benefiting just as much as the parents are now from their more affluent lifestyle. So I'd say the children as well, not just the parents, are being rewarded now for any sacrifices they had to make during the early years.

Anonymous said...

"... most Americans do not understand the concept of "sacrifice" and to live below their means so that they can prepare for the future. I think we live in a "now" generation. Many couples when they marry want to live on the same level or a higher level than what their parents live after years of working. When they buy a home they buy the largest home they qualify for and then when they move in they feel they have to fill it up with new and expensive furniture and appliances. What the Duggars did is very uncommon for today's generation ... Not many people know, understand or experience delayed gratification to the extent that the Duggars have chosen to live."

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I must respectfully disagree and it is just exactly this mentality that the Duggars exhibit that so offends some of us.

Not all of us in the real world are strangers to delaying gratification, including the acquisition of materialistic items.

Not all of us yearn to be wealthy.

Many of us would shun and refuse the type of fame the Duggars have sought by agreeing to be on a 'reality' show.

I believe the Duggars like to classify the world at large as somehow more 'me generation' than they consider themselves to be. It is just this kind of judgmentalness and holier-than-thou attitude that makes some of us so strongly dislike the Duggars and the Duggar mindset.

Some of us bleeding heart, tree-hugging liberals have less interest in fame and fortune than the Duggars and we do NOT call attention to ourselves for being so ethically superior that we believe our very existence is an 'encouragement' to others.

Instead, we just lead quiet, simple, lives that are free of ostentation, free of what the very things the Duggars judge us to be: fame and fortune seeking with a reckless abandonment of ethics and 'family values'.

Anonymous said...

If the assumption is that those of us who are not Duggar fans are unwilling/unable to delay gratification in all things, including being willing to live below our means in order to save up $ for a later purchase, the assumption is incorrect.

Some of us lead very simple lives, less out of necessity and more out of being nonmaterialistic and non fame-seeking.

It is the apparent assumption of the Duggars & their followers that the world at large is somehow less willing to do without permanently or temporarily until we save up enough $ to make an outright purchase that turns us off about the Duggars' self righteousness.

Many of us lead extremely responsible lives (including financial aspects), but we refuse to call attention to ourselves and publically pat ourselves on the back, Duggar-style.

Anonymous said...

Re: I agree with the idea that the Duggars take an extreme idea, for example no premarital kissing, and debt free, and then assign to that extreme idea a moral weight that, IMO, is invalid.

There is nothing inherently more ethical about choosing not to merely kiss premaritally. There is nothing inherently more ethical about being debt free.

There are many ways to be morally and financially responsible, and the Duggars are not necessarily the gold standard, just because they choose the extreme conservative end of the scale.

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I agree.The Duggars do set themselves apart from others,as if their lifestyle is the only way and to do things right,and can't be beat.
Truth is,life for most of us is one we choose to live in a more balanced way,and I also agree,it is the kids who make most of the sacrifices.This is by having used items and clothing,inc. pre-worn shoes,being crammed into bedrooms that wouldn't pass a fire code in most states,and having to wait their turn (sometimes quite a while,and then,not in peace,knowing others are waiting).... just to use the bathroom.

Anonymous said...

I'd choose living without rather than selling out to a reality show. No Iphone, new bus or silly trips would be worth giving up my family's privacy, I'd use credit cards before selling out my privacy.

Anonymous said...

"I'd choose living without rather than selling out to a reality show. No Iphone, new bus or silly trips would be worth giving up my family's privacy, I'd use credit cards before selling out my privacy."

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Amen! Some of us believe holding a mortgage and/or car loan and normal premarital dating (yes, including kissing!) is less heinous than exploiting family life for profit. The Duggar claim that their motive for participating in 'reality' tv is 'to encourage others' belies the wealth and fame they are seeking by resigning each new TLC contract.

Anonymous said...

"I just don't understand how they could physically fit that many children into a 900 sq ft home. I live with my husband (no kids, no pets) in a 1,030 sq ft apartment. And we only have 2 bedrooms."

They had just barely had their fifth child when they moved out of that house. They didn't have 12 children in the 900 sq ft house, as some posters have indicated. So, that would mean the second bedroom probably had two sets of bunk beds, and the baby in a bassinett in the parents' room. Not that bad, especially when it's temporary, and the kids are small.

Anonymous said...

The children didn't sacrifice for their parents' lifestyle - they were given everything children have a right to: decent clothing, adequate and comfortable shelter, plenty to eat, clean water, loving parents, decent education, computers to use, their own beds to sleep in, couches to sit on, a table to eat at, a clean, orderly, well-lit home with indoor plumbing, central air conditioning and heating, a safe yard to play in, bikes, balls, toys. Millions of children on this earth don't have those things, or even anything close to it.

These days, the Duggar children have even more than they did before, with their relatively wealthy lifestyle. They are being well-rewarded for any "sacrifices" they made in the past.

An interesting observation: I have a relative who raised a large family. In their early years they saved and lived frugally, and their oldest children lived almost exactly the way the Duggars did. By the time their younger kids were growing up, the family was much more affluent as the fruits of their labors matured. It's interesting the see the difference in their older and younger kids now. The oldest ones were well-behaved, hard-working children who have all gone on to become well-educated professionals. The younger ones, who grew up with relative wealth, have had behavior problems and don't have near the get-up-and-go that their older siblings do. They have a sense of entitlement, and they lack the maturity and responsibility that their older siblings have. Of course there may be other factors at work here, but I think it can be a blessing for children to be raised frugally and have to make some "sacrifices".

Cyn said...

Re Duggar 'superiority'.

My biggest issue or what I actually perceive to be the issue is the Fans, the Reporters, and the writers seem to have a bigger issue with "buy used save the difference" than the Duggars did. It was/is the family 'motto' not set in concrete rule. Same thing goes with their debt free life style and all the rest of the things I have been reading.

The Duggars talk about how THEY personally did things, and what worked for THEM. The more rabid of us FANS then go from there and seem to imply every one aught to do as the Duggars do. (and yes on debt I become a rabid fan lol, but I must confess I was that way before I ever saw the Duggars thanks to almost 16 years of Dave Ramsey talk show)

I've yet to hear from the Duggars, or any one else that has talked to the Duggars (reporters and the like) that they think every one else should do exactly as they did and they will get the same results.

I have on the other hand heard them say in every interview and speech that they are NOT perfect, and that they make lots of mistakes. That their goals are what they aim for, but that it doesn't always happen the way they think it should, or in the time period is should have. The Duggars do not think they are morally superior but their fans on the other hand... well God and Peter were the only documented cases of walking on water but still... Surely they are close ;)
(tongue in cheek and please I personally don't think they do either)

roddma said...

"The Duggar kids learned frugality and simple living in their early years. I think this is an awesome thing. It makes them appreciate the abundance later instead of taking it for granted. "
Learning to live frugally is a good idea except I'm not seeing nay balance here. When money is tight, you save,When money is abundant, you can splurge.

"Sure they lived in smallish homes, had used clothes and furnishings - but that doesn't constitute poverty in any way. Especially considering all the assets they purchased and leveraged by living in small homes and wearing used clothes. " The Duggars aren't the only family to live in small spaces. The difference is most do not continue to have 19 kids when they really couldn't afford them.

"The children didn't sacrifice for their parents' lifestyle - they were given everything children have a right to: " Yes they did. I find it hypocritical to set aside $110,000 for a campaign and not better your childrens' essentials.

ennvee said...

Food for thought about TLC, the Duggars and Quiverfull, which of course they now deny. However, Psalm 127 was on the masthead of their website when I first became acquainted with the family c.2006-ish.

At any rate, it's a scholarly article. IMO it should be given the benefit of the doubt; we can all learn something from it.

http://www.usask.ca/relst/jrpc/art22%283%29-tlc.html

roddma said...

"If the assumption is that those of us who are not Duggar fans are unwilling/unable to delay gratification in all things, including being willing to live below our means in order to save up $ for a later purchase, the assumption is incorrect."
There is a big difference in living within your means and living well-below your means on purpose just as some live too much above their means.

"Many couples when they marry want to live on the same level or a higher level than what their parents live after years of working." Couldn't third apply to the Duggars kids, too? They are used to living an 'upgraded' lifestyle especially the younger kids. Im not saying an of them would expect to start off living like their parents but it could be big change for them.

Im not saying the Duggars are bad people. I wouldnt want some naive person thinking they can have an X amount of kids and be debt free by making them wear used clothes and living in cramped houses.

Anonymous said...

The older kids certainly did sacrifice..too many kids being crammed into small bedrooms,having to wait just to use the bathroom (and even then they had to hurry along for the next person).And now they have to sacrifice for their younger siblings by doing a lion's share of caring for them,and even y not having their own room as they have matured,and having to share them with the younger kids.
The younger ones have not sacrificed as much,and may have a hard time adjusting to any other lifestyle outside of a very materialistic world.

Anonymous said...

""The children didn't sacrifice for their parents' lifestyle - they were given everything children have a right to: " Yes they did. I find it hypocritical to set aside $110,000 for a campaign and not better your childrens' essentials. "

I guess it boils down to a difference in opinion in what constitutes sacrifice - and whether it is good/bad for the children. In my opinion, I don't think the Duggar children have suffered from any of their sacrifices either. I think it's just made them good, appreciative kids.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

If the Duggars did use $110,000 for their own campaign in the past when they were frugil I admire that. They put their money behind their strong desire to be a public servant. Nothing wrong with using some of your own money to become a public servant. At that time they may have lived and sacrificed not buying everything new or not living in a large home, but their children lacked nothing important. By living frugal they were able to contribute to their own campaign to become a public SERVANT.

jennib395 said...

"Food for thought about TLC, the Duggars and Quiverfull, which of course they now deny."

Can you show me what episode they denied being part of the quiverfull movement?

I have only seen them say they are Baptist

have we ever taken the time to think maybe they are truly baptist, but they like some of the things that the quiverfull movement does.

Just because they use some of what the quiverfull does, DOESNT mean they are quiverfull

I am Nazarene, and have been all my life. When we moved, they didnt have A Naz. church, so we went to the baptist. After learn some of what they are all about. We took parts of what they teach in baptist churches and put it into our Lifes.
because we liked it, so we are nazerene, but we add lil baptist teaching to our beliefs. Does that make me baptist. NO
I choose to believe they are baptist, and they have taken what they like from other religions and decided that was what is best for their family.
If we want to get really nitpicky, then I bet I could show you that alot of quiverfulls views are in other religions.
I think lying would be on their 10 tens list of no no's
all im saying is , until they say they are Jews, Quiverfull, or whatnot, then i choose to believe what they say, that they are baptist.

no I don't believe in everything they believe in. I would say i am 50/50 on them. half i agree with half i don't.

Anonymous said...

Can I ask, why some people can't stand them so much, yet watch the show.
There are thousands of families out there all doing different things, such as your own family. I am not judging you for having your kids wear certain clothes,nor am I bashing your beliefs, and nitpicking what you believe in to death.

dontunderstand said...

I don't understand why some people can't be happy for a family, that did a SMART thing. They scrimped for years and now they are living a great easy life. they can now do even more missionary work.
I havent seen but a handful of people say they go to other countries and help out.
I don't see why we need to question joshs home and business.
HE is working and not costing you anything. he is sending money to a needy family, at 22yrs of age.

Is that a bad thing? because thats how alot of the comments are coming across.
You cannot tell me that that what they did is wrong. They aren't telling you that because you make house payments or borrowed money that you are bad or wrong.
They are simply sharing what they did with us. they aren't judging me, you or anyone else.
I have never heard out of their mouths, DO IT OUR WAY or you are dumb. or anything like that.

And to be quite frank, the USA wouldnt be in the money troubles that we are in now, if more of us did scrimp and save like they do.
Instead of borrowing thousands dollars knowing good well they cant pay it back. Buying a new car and bigger houses. when they couldnt afford it yet.
They did a smart thing, they knew one day that what they did would pay off. and its paying off now.
It would have happened with or without the show. TLC only helped them get to their goal faster, and they are using that money for good things.
un-like 95% of celebs or even the wealthy, that spend that money on 1000 dollar shoes, 4-5 houses, paying 20 bucks for a hamburger at certain resturant. Buying drugs, car... I could go on and on, on like that.
then some of those people blow through millions of dollars only to not pay their taxes, thus after years of wasting money for you and i to pay their tax mess ups.
Nor are they using any type of wealthfare programs.
I can see picking at them for certain things. But picking on them for being smart money wise, is just plain jealously. if not that, then what is the reason for disliking their finacial state?

Anonymous said...

"Just because they use some of what the quiverfull does, DOESNT mean they are quiverfull"

Good point! I've known many families in my church, and have relatives even, who abstain from all birth control, because of their spiritual convictions. They are not "Quiverfull", and haven't even heard of the term. Not all couples with large families/no BC are Quiverfull, or have even heard of the group. That would be like saying all people who don't eat pork must be Jewish.

Anonymous said...

I too would have to say that I don't see that the Duggar children sacrificed anything because of their parents' financial choices, and they are now benefiting greatly from those choices. They had everything they needed and then some. It isn't like they were living in a tent down by the river.

Who are we to say that the kids were ripped off by sharing bedrooms with many siblings? Especially since they had always done that. Having your own bedroom isn't a prerequisite for a happy childhood, it's only been in the last couple of generations that that has even become a common practice in America. They chose to have a large shared bedroom in their new house, so from the evidence it looks like they enjoy rooming together. I know I would have liked it. I grew up without siblings for the most part and was very lonely, and was envious of my friends who shared rooms with their sisters.

As far as having to wait in line to use the bathroom at times, yes that would have been irritating. And the kids have always said that's what they looked forward to in the new house the most. But when children are at school, they are required to wait in line for the restroom, the drinking fountain, to get their food at lunch, to get on the bus - and we don't view it as deprivation, we just view it as good practice in patience and waiting one's turn. Wouldn't those same valuable lessons be learned in the home situation as well?

Anonymous said...

"I can see picking at them for certain things. But picking on them for being smart money wise, is just plain jealously. "

I would have to agree with this. I don't see what there could be to criticize about the Duggar's financial choices. They were smart, wise beyond their years, and exercised self-control and delayed gratification to an extent the majority of Americans do not (myself included). Their self-discipline was admirable, and to nitpick it does look a lot like jealousy, I hate to say.

Anonymous said...

"Can I ask, why some people can't stand them so much, yet watch the show.
There are thousands of families out there all doing different things, such as your own family. I am not judging you for having your kids wear certain clothes,nor am I bashing your beliefs, and nitpicking what you believe in to death."

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One answer to your question is: some of us no longer watch the Duggars. We may have tuned in early on but, when we realized the extent of their extreme belief systems, we opted out of watching. That does not preclude us from posting here, commenting on viewer comments.

One reason you are not nitpicking my family and its beliefs is because I would never sell my anonymity by participating on a 'reality' show. The Duggars have chosen to put themselves out there for public review and critique, and that is exactly what they are getting. They got what they signed on for, including lots of TLC $ and lots of criticism from those who find the Duggars not to measure up on several levels.

Anonymous said...

THey used to have a link to Quiverful on their website but took it down. They deny being quiverful, but of course are. They follow those beliefs 100%.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

""Many couples when they marry want to live on the same level or a higher level than what their parents live after years of working." Couldn't third apply to the Duggars kids, too? They are used to living an 'upgraded' lifestyle especially the younger kids. Im not saying an of them would expect to start off living like their parents but it could be big change for them. "

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I do not think the comment I made concerning those who marry often expect to start off living on the same level their parents lived when they lived home can apply to the little kids. Little kids are not expecting anything, they are just living. They are not out there adquiring things so they can maintain a certain standard of living, they are just living.

By the way I see nothing wrong with any generation trying to better their lives for themselves nor their children from their own life as a child when it is done without adquiring great debt and is done by hard working over a period of time investing their own means and time to upgrade a standard of living. Upgrading a standard of living is nothing negative, it may be how it is done that may be questionable.

ennvee said...

I've known many families in my church, and have relatives even, who abstain from all birth control, because of their spiritual convictions. They are not "Quiverfull", and haven't even heard of the term. Not all couples with large families/no BC are Quiverfull, or have even heard of the group.

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Psalm 127:3-5 is the root of the Quiverfull movement and is backed up by passages from Ephesians. At any rate, it is not an organized religion, but a conviction, as you noted with regard to your church friends. At any rate, compare your friends to the Duggars: do they homeschool? Eschew media? Do they adhere to strict gender roles, including women wearing modest dresses/skirts at all times? Have they read Mary Pride or the Pearls, whose books spurred the movement? If so, although they might not know the term, keep in mind that no one is totally up front about these sort of things due to the scrutiny they realize they could face if spoken to the wrong person. Hence, the Duggars taking Psalm 127:3-5 off the masthead of their website and backing off the pedal about this part of their convictions, especially as the beginning of the series has gone over quite a few makeovers, the first of which was to back off the restrictions stated (ie. no TV, school of the dining room table, etc) at the beginning of the earlier episodes.

The article I posted above paints a good picture of the evolution and also points out that they still get their sound bytes in, just more subtly, as in the case of the "flowers."

ennvee said...

FWIW, here is the article from Parents magazine that launched the Duggars into national fame and initiated the first special.

http://www.parents.com/parents/printableStory.jsp?catref=prt40&storyid=/templatedata/parents/story/data/5432.xml

Michelle identifies them as "evangelical Christians [who] decided to let God decide the size of our family." No mention of Baptists, although their speaking engagements tend toward Baptist, but also venture out into that gray area of evangelicism where one picks and chooses their own interpretations (something the Duggars have mastered).

Changing gears a bit, I wonder if the new time slot will allow the Duggars to go back to putting more of their extremist views into the show; Jim Bob said when they started the show that they weren't going to allow their religious views to be censored, yet that's exactly what's happened. He puffs out his chest because he has an extremely fertile wife, and they hand out autographed postcards to their adoring fans. If they WEREN'T Quiverfull, they wouldn't have this show and the lifestyle it affords. But to say it out loud in the wrong company (which for them is anyone who is not "likeminded" - a term Michelle actually used in the article I linked) could jeopardize future earning potential in the secular world, which they abhor, but allows them to live the way they do.

Anonymous said...

They have their Psalm proudly on the opening cover page of the book they wrote. I don't think they're trying to hide anything.

CappuccinoLife said...

Food for thought about TLC, the Duggars and Quiverfull, which of course they now deny. However, Psalm 127 was on the masthead of their website when I first became acquainted with the family c.2006-ish.

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The problem is, to some "Quiverfull" is some kind of "movement", but to others it's a term for a particular conviction, independant of any movement.

A lot of people who happily used the term *as a Biblical reference* have stopped using it because there have been some issues with people's perceptions about "The Movement". The term has become associated with a whole set of ideals. In reality, people who are qf are at best a loosely connected (usually via the net) group of people who agree on *one* issue (birth control) and vary on everything else. You've got patriarchals, complimentarians, and egalitarians, denim skirts and jeans, Catholic and Protestant, Calvinist and evangelical, homeschoolers and public schoolers, homesteaders and urban dwellers, short-hair and long hair, Pearl-ites and Attachment Parent-ers. But the stereotype has become such that "Quiverfull" now means "severe, possibly abusive patriarchalists with women in long denim skirts and a penchant for hating things like education and having fun". If the Duggars are distancing themselves from the term, it's understandable why. They certainly do not deny or hide their continued rejection of birth control, and so still could be called "quiverfull" if referring to Ps 127 and not "The Big Scary Movement" (which I personally believe is a bunch of hogwash anyway).

Anonymous said...

Thanks CappucinoLife for that great explanation of Quiverfull. I think it's totally accurate and pretty much explains the whole thing.

I also think it's funny that the Duggars are getting criticized for their show not talking more about their extremist religious views, or focusing less on it than in previous shows. If they were focusing more on their religious views, people would be complaining that the show was too focused on religious beliefs and that they just want to see how a family that huge runs, and day-to-day stuff, etc. So they can't win.

Besides, the show is, and has always been, primarily about the number of children in the family. The first special was titled "14 Kids and Pregnant Again", then "16 Kids and Moving In", then "17 Kids and Counting, 18 Kids, now 19 Kids and Counting." That's the show's main focus and draw, and why people tune in.

People are curious about their religious beliefs to the extent that it pertains to why they have so many kids and why they wear skirts, etc. But anymore info beyond that, and the focus of the show would be shifted off of the large family dynamic and into a religious analysis, which most people probably don't want and isn't the main purpose and draw of the show. They aren't avoiding extensive religous analysis because they're being secretive or trying to cover up something. They've always been plain and up front about what they do and why they do it.

Anonymous said...

Getting back to how they exploit themselves for the sake of the show - whether it be for the fame and money, or to encourage people as they have stated - one instance of this exploitation that really bothered me was when Josh told Anna she was pregnant with their first child (I can't remember how to spell the girl's name).

They had been trying to conceive, but she kept getting negative pregnancy test results, so she took one and left it for Josh to check, and he was going to tell her the news. He saw that she was indeed pregnant this time, and called the producer of the show to get right over to their house with the camera as he told Anna. The producer even references this on the show, saying how the Duggars are very "TV savvy". I was shocked at this. It's one of the most intimate moments of their lives, the sharing in the knowledge of the conception of their first child, and yet he tells TLC before he tells Anna, and then has them film him telling her. It was really wrong in my opinion and a little shocking to be honest. If I were Anna I would've been pissed.

Another thing that I found a little surprising was the episode that follows them around on their "Honeymoon" on Myrtle Beach or whatever pathetic place they were for a Honeymoon, and the day after their first night together, the cameraman says something to him about the night before, and Josh makes a reference to them having had sex. Isn't that totally wrong for him to do, for people like them who espouse nothing but morally upright behavior and conduct? I was very surprised at that. But then again Jim Bob is kissing Michelle ad naseum in every episode, so it shouldn't surprise me. Yet the girls can't wear pants???? I don't understand their values at all. And I know that it's good to show how healthy their marriage is because it's an example to their children and others, but they really carry it a bit too far, all of the public displays of affection. In my opinion it just delves into the realm of poor taste and what I consider to be unethical behavior.

Arkwithalittleokie said...

just wanted yall to know, that I stayed with my lil brother this week, and since the crew in town, which they stay at his hotel, I got to see them.
I asked them if they ever read the blog, lol.. i felt stupid cuz they had no idea what i was talking about.
I actually brought the blog up on my iphone to show them.

They werent reading it, But they are NOW!!!
haha.. the guys are great too!

Anonymous said...

They had been trying to conceive, but she kept getting negative pregnancy test results, so she took one and left it for Josh to check, and he was going to tell her the news. He saw that she was indeed pregnant this time, and called the producer of the show to get right over to their house with the camera as he told Anna. The producer even references this on the show, saying how the Duggars are very "TV savvy". I was shocked at this. It's one of the most intimate moments of their lives, the sharing in the knowledge of the conception of their first child, and yet he tells TLC before he tells Anna, and then has them film him telling her. It was really wrong in my opinion and a little shocking to be honest. If I were Anna I would've been pissed




just curious? where did you read that he told tlc first?
msnbc says, they were filming him at the carlot when anna brought it in, and then he checked it after she left, and decided to wait till after work to tell her.
his first words at looking at it was, Wow i am going to be a father...

never saw or read that he called tlc...just wondering where you saw or read that at?

Anonymous said...

I'd be pretty shocked if the crew did not know about all the Duggar blogs, much less read them. Considering that they have episode vignettes that directly respond to questions on these blogs, it is all the more curious for crew to say that they hadn't ever read the blog.

I think that is a bit of a bogus claim, actually.

Anonymous said...

I don't think there is anything wrong with televising the pregnancy announcement. I know I would like having something like that recorded so I could have it as a keepsake. Having the birth televised, now that is another story - I only hope Anna agreed to that and was on board with it.

I don't know of any reference Josh made to he and Anna having sex on their honeymoon. He gave the cameraman a tour of their condo, I remember him showing him the bedroom - but that is all. What did he say that was a reference to sex?

Anonymous said...

With all due respect intended, it is possible to know, with all certainty, that one would never be interested in participating in a 'reality' show. It is fallacy to believe 'no one knows what they would do until asked for their participation in a show'. There are things each of us have absolutely NO interest in pursuing - we do not need to find ourselves in the situation to know that we are not interested in taking that route.

One does not need to watch every episode of the Duggars to have an opinion about them. As in all reality shows, the Duggar brand was established early on, and even those who choose to no longer watch the Duggars know pretty much what the brand stands for. Reality programs are pretty much the same basic formula, so, once the brand is established, one need not be a weekly viewer to formulate an opinion on the various aspects of the branding.

The Duggars are a brand. Even non viewers are able to have a valid opinion about this brand - watching the Duggars take trips, make laundry soap, shoot guns, is not a prerequisite for offering a comment on how the Duggars choose to portray themselves.

Cyn said...

I don't know of any reference Josh made to he and Anna having sex on their honeymoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfHMnMsTT8g&feature=related

They start touring the honeymoon house (2:31 ish). At the end of the tour, one of the camera men clearly asks "Was it everything you thought it would be?" Josh answers with a cheeky answer "The house? or what?..." with a grin on his face ... Gotta love TLC editing though, cause it cuts from Josh's answering that question to Anna saying how wonderful "it" was with out a reference to what "it" actually was... but I'm assuming she was talking about being alone with Josh or the house itself. Speaking of editing they kept doing shots of the bedroom Josh and Anna used.

Cyn said...

never saw or read that he called tlc...just wondering where you saw or read that at?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceO18jxu71Y

Starting at about 1:10ish

The clip speaks for itself. The producer is in the interview chair describing what Josh did and who he called and that the Duggars were "tv savvy wanting to get everything on film"

Anonymous said...

Logic dicatates that Josh notified the film crew to give them a head's up that he has something important to tell Anna. Unless they are filming 24/7, somebody had to take that call, knowing it was in all liklihood a positive result. Even if they were at the car lot, Josh had to have told them so the could turn on the camera. Personally, if I were on a reality show (which, btw, would be year from never) I would have that as a private moment between me and my spouse, then later made the announcement to the world together in one of those "talking head" shots:

Cameraman: Say, Josh and Anna, do you have something to share?

J&A: Why yes we do, we are going to have a baby! (smiles all around) We're excited to share this big event with viewers so we can be an "encouragment" to newly married couples and first time parents.

But, since they have to keep up the ratings, certain considerations have to be made. My concern is that in years to come, after all the hoopla has died down and the TLC perks are gone, will any of them, particularly Anna, regret the decsions they are making now?

Never Sell Privacy said...

I can say with certainty that I would not sell out my family's privacy. Too many weirdos out there. I don't have a Facebook,nor have I ever posted a photo of my family on line. No strangers can see me or my family on TV or the internet, because the creepy factor is just too high.

And yet the so-called modest Duggars have their whole lives (including births) televised on national tv. Tons of weirdos know way too much about them, including where they live, the layout of their property, the location of the girls' bedroom. There are photographs of the kids all over the internet, and in fact, Jim Bob happily passes out his family's photo to strangers on the street (which is exceedingly odd).

I would never, ever be comfortable with strangers and weirdos knowing so much about my family. So no, without a doubt, I can say I would NEVER sell out our privacy, no matter how much money was offered. It just isn't worth it, which the Duggars will undoubtedly realize, when the show is finally cancelled.

Allison said...

Well if the Duggars need to have every single moment like that on camera, then does anyone have any theories as to why they didn't do the same thing for Baby #2? That announcement was made on camera at Mackynzie's birthday and Anna was able to tell Josh privately. We don't know if Josh and Anna discussed privately if they were OK filming this and having it on TV. Or perhaps Josh didn't? We don't know what is decided what should be filmed and what shouldn't. But clearly that's not something they always do. Even Michelle's pregnancy results are rarely announced first on the TV show. Usually Michelle and Jim Bob know first, and then they televise telling the children (who then obviously know way before the viewers do since these are filmed ahead of time).

The labor, I agree, waaaay TMI. I cannot believe that people as modest as the Duggars allow something like that to be filmed. I mean, there are men who are not blood or marriage related in the room with a clearly uncovered woman giving birth! I am totally shocked that episode ever happened. I mean, there are a lot of shows that televise births, so it's not so strange nowadays, but for people as concerned with covering a woman's body, I think a vagina is way more private that whatever cleavage Michelle might have shown when holding Josie for the first time. They have very strange priorities when it comes to showing their fertility, that's for sure.

roddma said...

"They certainly do not deny or hide their continued rejection of birth control, and so still could be called "quiverfull" if referring to Ps 127 and not "The Big Scary Movement" (which I personally believe is a bunch of hogwash anyway)."
Anything that twists and turn Bible verses raises red flags to me. I know any belief system can be misused. One or two leaving a belief system does not mean a cult . Just because it didn't work for some isn't meaning it won't work for others. Over the last several years much has surfaced about this movement and not just one isolated incident. What faith requires its followers to make possibly dangerous convictions? And if the Duggars aren't QF why is there an article on them at the main site?

"Having your own bedroom isn't a prerequisite for a happy childhood, it's only been in the last couple of generations that that has even become a common practice in America"
Yea but the kids need to be divided by age. the older Duggar girls/ boys need one room and the toddlers another.

"And to be quite frank, the USA wouldnt be in the money troubles that we are in now, if more of us did scrimp and save like they do." I scrimp and save and still have debt. No mater how much used stuff you buy you can still have debts. I drive a ten year old car that still needs gas, upkeep and insurance even though it is paid for. So maybe could be 'debt-free' if I walked everywhere , went with no heat, pumped water
from a well and so forth.

roddma said...

"and they are using that money for good things.
un-like 95% of celebs or even the wealthy, that spend that money on 1000 dollar shoes, 4-5 houses, paying 20 bucks for a hamburger at certain resturant. Buying drugs, car... I could go on and on, on like that."
Some are more obsessed with atention than money. I think the Duggars like the attention more than the money. They have to be debt free and be almost picture perfect because it draws in viewers. A few posters think non fans hate them but its not true. It's the presentation. Thier life isn't ideal for everyone.

Anonymous said...

Hi everyone,

I'm just wondering, since the next season is set to air on the 24th at 10.30, does that mean that the show has moved to that time slot for future episodes?

Thanks.

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