Monday, March 21, Duggars In the Zone

Afer finding out they are expecting their second child, Josh and Anna also discover they must relocate their second car lot by a looming deadline. But will zoning laws threaten and halt the move to a new property?

30 minutes

41 comments:

SuzanneDeAZ said...

It appears that Josh is doing quite well to have a second car lot to locate. Smart move.

heavennoseven said...

He got a place that went out of Bus and used it becuase he buys so many cars at auctions.

Kit said...

Yawn.

Really, TLC?

Reality TV Junkie said...

Yes! Love Josh and Anna episodes!

Cyn said...

It appears that Josh is doing quite well to have a second car lot to locate. Smart move.

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He's had the second lot over a year now.

hart&sole said...

Anna and Josh episodes are my favorites at least until one of the others start to court. As it stands now, we'll have to wait for Josie Duggar and Judson Bates, assuming '19 Kids and counting' lasts that long!

heavennoseven said...

Did he wait to the last second?

I ddont like how he picked up the baby.

Josh and Anna sound and act just like his parents.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I don't understand why they went out to eat when they knew they were on limited time to move. Especially since they usually are on "Duggar Time", which doesn't help the situation.

hart&sole said...

Soooo Priscilla is still on the Duggar scene, cute as ever. Is John David blind, or what? It is time for a courtship!

Does Jim Bob own the 'new' car lot or does Josh? When Jim Bob was talking, it sounded like he owned it, and when Josh was talking it sounded like Josh owned it.

ennvee said...

So, Jim Bob owned the land after all and the city DID change zoning laws so that he needed special approval to zone it for a car lot. The final speech made it clear; if it was Josh's land, he would have spoken for himself and Jim Bob would have been there for political intimidation. Speaking for his own land shows the Duggars have failed to adhere to "leave and cleave." Josh is still living off Daddy's wallet.

Other than thinking of the old movie "Used Cars" when the kids were driving the convoy to the old lot, this show was a total waste of airtime and likely would never have seen the light of day had they not won their case.

ennvee said...

Regarding Priscilla, when they had the meet-up at the car lot once all the "reinforcements" arrived, it was interesting that she was standing awfully close to Jonathan, the exchange student. Priscilla's stay was obviously not just about taking care of the little Duggars; if her meeting that guy at the Duggar place was coincidence, but don't forget they met during the mission trip last May/June.

Body language from her said a lot. She was FAR too close to him for even women/men in their mid-20's to be if they're unmarried (Pris can't be less than 24 and I recall reading during Weapongate that the young man wasn't an exchange student; he was a translator and was about 25).

Make of that what if you will if the episode is repeated and you don't fall asleep before the pivotal scene.

Agreed about the food. If there ever was a time for take out and paper plates, this was it. I continue to fail in all aspects of Duggar Logic.

Cyn said...

So, Jim Bob owned the land after all and the city DID change zoning laws so that he needed special approval to zone it for a car lot. The final speech made it clear; if it was Josh's land, he would have spoken for himself and Jim Bob would have been there for political intimidation. Speaking for his own land shows the Duggars have failed to adhere to "leave and cleave." Josh is still living off Daddy's wallet.

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Josh owned the first lot, he was in the process of buying the second lot when the bank decided not to sell. The commissioner said JimBob was speaking on behalf of Champion Moters owned by Joshua Duggar (dealing with the third lot). No where did I hear JimBob said he owned any of these properites, only that he had owned other properties that he had gotten rezoned at different times.

Josh bought the taco shop, Josh owns the business, and Josh has 2 salesman under him. Josh said Dad was better at this because he (dad) had done them before.

Junky cars, bad hours, or not. They are doing something right if they have enough capital to pay a month to month lease, and to have the money to buy the taco shop.

I wonder if they bought all the office items at auctions as well. Just last week I saw 50 of those intercom phones go for $25.67, and 20 towers went for $35.00. (they sell every thing separately and I was just looking for towers). Most are held in the midwestern states, is why I bring them up.

I did love seeing our democracy in action though.

heavennoseven said...

I think Josh should take some bussiness classes. He got very lucky with the lot move. He waited too long.

happygardener21 said...

I agree that he seemed to wait until the last second to move, however once the cars were all on the 1st lot, it would be very hard to deal with sales. So, I'm assuming he kept lot 2 up and running to the last possible second in hopes of making some sales. However it does seem odd that they hadn't done any packing at all!! Yikes that would have made me a nervous wreck! Date-time, when was this all supposed to have taken place? There was a Christmas tree up at lot 2, so was this all in December, just after the kids got back from their mission trip?

Allison said...

I was curious about why they waited to move too, but then I noticed that Josh said something about wanting to wait because they needed to keep the business open as long as possible. If they had moved too early and back to the first lot, they would have lost business at both the second lot *and* the first lot, because of how crammed in all the cars were. I think they were trying to more efficient with their time, space and resources.

Though I agree that this would be a perfect time for someone to go out and get hamburgers from McDonalds and bring them back. If you're in that much of a time crunch, you don't leave! Food yes, leaving no.

Otherwise, I thought it was decent. At least the show was about one thing instead of 8 different little things, and I'm SO GLAD they didn't have Michelle narrating about things she didn't understand. Josh and Anna are at least better storytellers, even if you don't agree with how they did things.

Allison said...

There was a Christmas tree up at lot 2, so was this all in December, just after the kids got back from their mission trip?


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Considering Priscilla and Jonathan were still there, I imagine that's probably why they waited. So that there would be more siblings around. I am surprised they didn't at least start to pack. Maybe they thought it would be easier to do it all at once? I don't know... Of course, Josh is 23, and I remember when I was 23 I didn't always think things through and wanted to do it "my way."

Heck, I still do that sometimes...

Sweetpeas said...

As far as timing, the day they moved Anna said she was 12 wks pregnant, so someone who keeps track of dates better than I do can do the math. I think the zoning stuff might have been later, it seemed like Anna was more pregnant in those scenes.

Lisa said...

At the beginning of the episode they said that Mackynzie was 14 months old. Being that she was born in October that would be correct in putting this episode in December. It makes sense though why the timeline is so chopped up since they had to include finding out the sex of the baby in the last episode, because it wasn't part of the original episode. If you take that into consideration then things are right on track timewise.

Allison said...

As far as timing, the day they moved Anna said she was 12 wks pregnant, so someone who keeps track of dates better than I do can do the math. I think the zoning stuff might have been later, it seemed like Anna was more pregnant in those scenes.

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Well, they found out on Mackynzie's birthday which is October 8. 12 weeks from that day would put it at December 31. Considering most women are already a few weeks along when they find out, it makes sense that the episode was filmed right at December 15th. Josh mentioned in the episode they needed to be out by the 15th, and with Priscilla and Jonathan around, and the Christmas decorations were up, it was definitely mid-December.

ennvee said...

I watched it again and regarding the taco lot, Jim Bob said that he was the owner of the Taco Tico property. Why else wasn't Josh speaking on its behalf?

Allison said...

so there was an earlier question about whether or not Josh or Jim Bob own the car lot. So, I did some investigating (I apparently have too much free time) and I found the website for the new car lot, Integrity AutoPark. Although it's listed as being owned by Josh and Anna (interesting...) it says it's been open since 1999. Josh was, like, 11 years old that year. My thinking is that Jim Bob is the original owner of the car lot and then gave it to Josh when he was old enough, and now Josh owns and runs everything. That might be why Jim Bob was extra involved. Does that add up to historical evidence?

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Did they specifically say that Jim Bob purchased the property? Even if he did that is not necessarily bad if he is doing it for an investment and desires to lease it out. In either case I am glad they won their case.

However, I think it was risky to buy the property first before knowing it could be used for what they wanted to use it. Maybe they got a very good deal on the purchased and felt they could always resell it if they did not win the zoning decision.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Maybe they went out to eat because they were hungry. Most people work better on full stomachs and think it is worth eating than trying to skip a meal. Going out to eat is faster than trying to put on a meal for most people so why would it not be a good idea for this family?

The Single Saver said...

I see nothing wrong with the crew taking a break for an hour or two to relax and eat a meal together. I have moved recently, and also helped relatives move recently. Trust me, it is exhausting. A short break away from the action really helps to make things more efficient when you return to the task at hand.

I remember when I moved I took my helpers for a meal at Outback. We were exhausted and at the breaking point when we got there. The hour of just sitting and eating and relaxing was not only enjoyable, it was necessary! We physically could not have kept going at that point!

ennvee said...

Allison (and everyone else), someone else did some digging into the Springdale records and this what they found:

"The property definitely belongs to Jim Bob. Not too long ago, the Springdale government website had the The transcripts also said that the bank wanted something like $500K+ for the building Josh was renting, which he said was out of his price range. Jim Bob's property was vacant, so Josh stored his inventory there when he had to leave his car lot, but he had to have it zoned properly before he could actually use it as a car lot. The only question is whether Josh has to pay Jim Bob rent for using his property. Regardless, I'm sure it's considerably less expensive for him to have his car lot there. Had he not been able to get Jim Bob's property rezoned, he would have had to find another location for it, and Jim Bob's property would probably still be vacant. So, in the end, in worked out well for the both of them."

FWIW.

Cyn said...

I stand corrected.

Sharla said...

The Duggar property taxes are an official dead horse. Links have been put up several times. If anyone is truly curious, please google it and you can see their property tax records. Thank you.

Krissy said...

Another blogger discovered that JimBob does in fact own the Tico Taco property, and most likely did before the issue of moving the car lot came up. Why Josh claimed he bought the property, I have no idea. I'm guessing JimBob being the official owner was the reason why he had to be the one appearing before the zoning board.

As far as the last minute move, it was so obvious that was scripted for the show. It's pretty much a uniform state law that a landlord has to give a renter a certain number of days notice before they are required to vacate the property.

I can understand Josh wanting to keep business going as long as possible, but why wait til the alleged day of the move to start packing? Especially when it came to diddly squat items like Christmas lights, kitchen supplies and office supplies? Why not just keep what's absolutely necessary to run the business?

Sharla said...

- 1.239 million viewers
- 0.9/1 HH
- 0.5/1 A18-49

M-A said...

Anyone notice that when Josh told Anna it was 4:15, she asked "Is it REALLY 4:15?"

Hmmm...as in, "Are you talking to me, or scripting for the camera?"

This show forges reality like all of them.

AmyKB said...

Josh speaking Spanish with a customer was impressive. I didn't think he could actually do that. Why did Josh wait until the day of to ask for help? (not to move the stuff, I understand that, but why not ask for help earlier?). I liked Anna's dress on the re-zone meeting day. And, a small note, I saw on the powerpoint screen during the zoning meeting, that "James Duggar" owned the property. So, they actually clarified this in the episode - it's JimBob's. Anna did a lot of talking for Josh in the interview, which was nice.

heavennoseven said...

I noticed that Anna was looking away when Josh was talking and she got upset when talked about the babys eating habbits. I dont think she likes flimming.

Jennifer said...

Anyone notice that when Josh told Anna it was 4:15, she asked "Is it REALLY 4:15?"

Hmmm...as in, "Are you talking to me, or scripting for the camera?"

This show forges reality like all of them."


wow! I never thought that! i thought she was like! "oh is it really this time" as in oh my I didnt realize the time!

why does everyone speculate that everything is something its not!

am i the only one that thought she was meaning " wow time went quickly"

Cyn said...

am i the only one that thought she was meaning " wow time went quickly"

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I 'heard' "are you serious or did you round up?" because that's what my husband does, especially if we have to be some where on time, he will add 20-30 minutes to make me go faster LOL.

Lisa said...

"am i the only one that thought she was meaning " wow time went quickly"

No I thought the same thing. I for the most part am a fan of the Duggar's, I don't support everything they do or every choice they make but something like that never even crossed my mind. It seemed like Anna was just suprised that it was already 4:15 and sad that Josh had to go because I think she genuinly enjoys spending time with him.

ennvee said...

And, a small note, I saw on the powerpoint screen during the zoning meeting, that "James Duggar" owned the property. So, they actually clarified this in the episode - it's JimBob's. Anna did a lot of talking for Josh in the interview, which was nice.

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I erased the episode right after it aired because I thought it was such a snore, but man, was I wrong! Interesting that Anna stood up for Josh; I have to think it would elicit sympathy for her "delicate condition" because I from the very first special, Joshua Duggar has never met a microphone or camera he didn't like.

Alberta Rose said...

This was overall an amusing lesson; however there was one big disappointment. I've been watching long enough to remember scenes of church and about four or five large families gathering together for services. I had hoped it could be a teaching opportunity about how the church community rallies around to help a memeber, yet it was about the drama of "Will Josh's siblings come help out?"

As for Jim Bob helping out Josh, my son would have been born in a two bedroom rented apartment instead of a 3 bedroom bungalow if my MIL had said "Leave and cleave" when my husband asked for help getting our first house.

Celestie said...

And, a small note, I saw on the powerpoint screen during the zoning meeting, that "James Duggar" owned the property. So, they actually clarified this in the episode - it's JimBob's.

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I think we have been defrauded. We were led to believe that Josh started a business at 16 or so, plus bought a house. Then it turns out Grampa gave him the house, and now we see that Jim Bob really owns the car business. He probably owns that big red truck of John David's towing business as well. Why couldn't they have said that Jim Bob is starting to teach his boys businesses by having them manage two of his?. That scenario is much more believable for young boys who have no education and no business experience.
And for those who say, oh yes they have an education...they passed the GED, I point you to the sign that says "We are waiting on" . Please! We have heard them mangle the English language, now we have it in writing.
Also since it showed Jim Bob's parents owning much property, why isn't Grandmother Duggar living in a better place and enjoying her golden years? Or does the Jim Bob handle her funds? And makes her work at being laundress for his brood?
Also I think it shows the selfishness of Duggars. The zoning commission stated they wanted to improve the entry to the town and didn't think a used car lot was an asset. Well so much for the public good, it is all about jim Bob making money.

Kit said...

my son would have been born in a two bedroom rented apartment instead of a 3 bedroom bungalow if my MIL had said "Leave and cleave"

And what would have been the problem with that? Babies don't know what kind of house they live in.

However, I think it's perfectly fine for parents to help their children buy houses or start businesses all the time. Bill Gates' dad was one of his first investors when he started Microsoft.

Again, the ISSUE for me has always been JimBob's apparent need to try and twist the truth to make him and his family look like some kind of super-achievers. If, as someone else pointed out, they had been upfront about it, no one would have cared. Why lie/hide the truth? Maybe it's JimBob's egotism, maybe he's trying to hide feelings of indequacy, maybe he's embarrassed that his kids haven't been successful on their own - who knows? But it's the need to falsify the facts that's irritating...

heavennoseven said...

Why dont they just get one big lot instead of two? Does anyone know how much sales he makes per month/per year.

Religilicious said...

"Again, the ISSUE for me has always been JimBob's apparent need to try and twist the truth to make him and his family look like some kind of super-achievers. If, as someone else pointed out, they had been upfront about it, no one would have cared. Why lie/hide the truth? Maybe it's JimBob's egotism, maybe he's trying to hide feelings of indequacy, maybe he's embarrassed that his kids haven't been successful on their own - who knows? But it's the need to falsify the facts that's irritating..."

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Agreed. It seems the Duggars (and their fanbase) protest too much about how unnecessary college is.

IMO the fact that neither parent and to date NONE of the children (despite having 'graduated' from homeschool high school years ago) have successfully completed an accredited college program speaks volumes.

I believe all the Duggar hype about being debt free, hyper religious, and allegedly successful entrepreneurs is over the top and likely a cover for intellectual inadequacy.

I believe the Duggars are nothing more than a product of the usual TLC branding.