Free Debate

With the show in hiatus, I read something this morning that may lead to discussion related to the Duggars. 


For there are two things inside me, competing with the human self which I must try to become. They are the Animal self, and the Diabolical self. The Diabolical self is the worse of the two. That is why a cold, self righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But, of course, it is better to be neither.
C. S. Lewis

13 comments:

Pippa said...

Love C.S. Lewis. He'd have a "field day" writing about these Duggars.

Seriously? said...

Gotta love C.S. Lewis.

Ok... a raise of hands. How many of you think the Duggars, proud grads of the Saint Michelle Academy of the Sacred Dining Room Table, are capable of comprehending this C.S. Lewis statement.... anyone? anyone?

I didn't think so.

Me neither.

ennvee said...

To use Lewis' own example, the Duggars trying to explain the quote would be like the prostitute sweating in church. :D

I guess the quote is the genesis of that old saw.

Alberta Rose said...

For there are two things inside me, competing with the human self which I must try to become. They are the Animal self, and the Diabolical self. The Diabolical self is the worse of the two. That is why a cold, self righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But, of course, it is better to be neither.
C. S. Lewis

I can tell by the way the kids behave, and the choices Josh made when he left home, that Jim Bob and Michelle are not cold, self righteous, regular church going prigs. If this place is still around when Josh is 30 years old, and he admits he's in some sort of recovery program because of his parents, I'll retract that statement. I also suspect if one of the sons married a young woman and four months later a baby arrived, 17 years later Michelle would not be so cold, self righteous and sanctimonious that she'd still think of her daughter-in-law as the 19 year old who couldn't keep her knees together.

Pippa said...

"I can tell by the way the kids behave, and the choices Josh made when he left home, that Jim Bob and Michelle are not cold, self righteous, regular church going prigs."
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Beg to differ here, but Josh is as self-righteous as they come. Case in point, his recent posts about Catholics, and Mormons, and the Confederate Battle Flag? Josh learned these opinions/behaviors from his parents, did he not?

Pippa said...

P.S.: I am a Southerner, with relatives who SERVED in the Civil War - on the Confederate side, of course - and even I am offended by Josh's posting of that flag and "#truth".

It's a matter of context. I don't fault my relatives for doing what they thought was right at the time, but Josh has absolutely no understanding of what he's talking about. None.

londonbridges said...

Josh had to learn how he should think and speak from his parents. JimBob and Michelle have isolated their blessings from the outside evil world, and therefore "taught" them everything they know. Scary, and sad IMHO.

Alberta Rose said...

Lots of people teach their kids a narrow minded view about different religions, regions or countries. It's not unique to the Duggar family. I might have a different perspective because my parents were narrow-minded, self rightious and since 1988 I could add "church going prigs". Also, lately I've been hearings lots of narrow-minded, self righteous talk about my province, Alberta. Trust me, I've had lots of opportunity to think "That person has absolutely no understanding of what they're talking about. None."

Miggy said...

The Confederate flag, to many (most?) non-Americans, is the slavery flag. When Joshie supports the 'rather be right than politically correct', how am I suppose to interpret that?

The world only learn American history as it relates to our own countries. I am sure I am not alone in learning that the American civil war was about slavery and the Confederate flag represented those who wanted to continue the practice. It was only as a post graduate history student that I learnt of its wider meaning.

Of course, the flag belongs to America and you can use it how you will. I do think that little Joshie needs to be a bit more careful. His TV show, his tweets, his instagram are seen by people around the world. He sets a rather poor standard for Christianity and for America when he appears to support slavery.

Alberta Rose said...

The world only learn American history as it relates to our own countries. I am sure I am not alone in learning that the American civil war was about slavery and the Confederate flag represented those who wanted to continue the practice. It was only as a post graduate history student that I learnt of its wider meaning.

I'm Canadian. That's not what I was taught by my teachers. What I learned about the American Civil War was wrapped around Canada's involvement in the Underground Railroad. These days I see a Confederate Flag and think "I bet that person has every episode of Dukes of Hazzards on DVD." Until I married a redneck, my mom would see a Confederate Flag and say "I don't want to have much to do with THAT person. They must be an American immigrant from down South." That's what I learned from the evening sessions of the Saint Sydney Academy of Supplemental Education.

Vera said...

Speaking as an American born and raised in the South...the confederate flag is an extremely offensive symbol of racism. I would never fly one (in any way, shape or form) and would never associate with anyone who would.

Josh is a child in a man's body. He seems incapable of original thought so the question is...are the Duggars that bigoted or that ignorant? Either way, it doesn't surprise me.

Vera said...

Oh and there is no chance the students/graduates of Michelle's Academy of the Dining Table could even begin to understand this quote or anything else written by C.S. Lewis for that matter...no chance.

MandySue said...

Gotta love C.S. Lewis.

Ok... a raise of hands. How many of you think the Duggars, proud grads of the Saint Michelle Academy of the Sacred Dining Room Table, are capable of comprehending this C.S. Lewis statement.... anyone? anyone?

I didn't think so.

Me neither.
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I betcha that they don't know who C.S. Lewis is. I mean is he on the approved Gothard reading list?

What might they learn if they read "Mere Christianity?"

No Bill Gothard wants them to read what he thinks is right and nothing else. Can't have them thinking for themselves?

But really how do you deprive kids from the "Chronicles of Narnia?"