Free Discussion May 2012

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

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Karen said...

Interesting thing, I live in Arkansas, and saw Anna with Mackynzie and Michael shopping the other day. She wasn't wearing anything tight, but I could tell there was a baby bump. Not too big, maybe 4 months along?

MandySue said...

I creep on Josh's twitter and instagram accounts. He hasn't twitted anything in several days and slowed way down on instagram. And no food picks for a while.

Makes you go mmmmmmmm

Wampascat said...

Josh has probably read the comments on here. He's just the type who would google himself regularly to see how popular and important he is. Big baby!

Miggy said...

Josh is back on track - there is a lovely photo of his dinner on instagram today.

ennvee said...

I saw an older episode while getting ready for work this morning. It was the one when Anna "visited" the car lot with just Mack and she was teaching her how to "read." Mack was younger than Michael is now and she was wearing a rather tight polo with a shirt (or cami? didn't see any sign of the shirt on top) underneath. While they got an unflattering shot of her midriff in getting a good shot of the baby, you could see that Anna had a little muffin top, but had, for the most part, lost all her baby weight. MUCH thinner than she's appeared of late.

One more issue on a totally different topic. I read elsewhere that when Jim Bob ordered the kit for the tinkertoy hourse, he ordered two kits and got a THIRD for free because the screws in one of the kits were off. I always thought he'd ordered ONE kit and they sent him a second kit. In both cases, the company fixed the defective kit.

Anyone have the actual scoop on this one? I think they wrote about it in the first book, or it was on one of the early specials, but I don't have time to go researching at the moment. Muchas gracias!

ennvee said...

Oh, the tweeting and instagram slowed down while they were at the ATI conference last week, although he DID post a pic of the concession stand where he met Anna.

That was universally found to be hilarious, even to their friends. :D

Hannah said...

Josh has some nerve saying only half the "government" construction workers are working. Yes, some are standing,but I think they are looking at things to ensure safety.


They work a lot harder then you.

MandySue said...

Josh blocked me from his Instagram. Some woman asked him how his mom could handle all those kids and never scream and I said it was because the sisters did it.

I guess he didn't like my answer lol

Sharla said...

To anyone who remembers and may wonder, the first grandbaby arrived this morning. Mother and baby are doing well and we've visited. :) No need to send comments about it but thank you for the good thoughts along the way. He was a week and two days past the due date.

Hannah said...

Congrats. I read that thinking Anna gave birth. Haha

tulip said...

Why is it Josh must always post pics of "date night"?? Guess he's just so thrilled he can go out on a date. Michelle was once asked in an interview how she and Jim Bob keep their marriage strong, and her answer was, "we date!", and then went on to say how that's the great thing about being married is that you GET to date. Well, every pic Josh snaps of his date nights never fail to show big ol' plates of food heaping with carbs or overflowing desserts, as the sundae shown in front of their friends that they went on a double date with. Oh, and there's always someone's iphone laying on the table in plain sight as well-again, in the latest pic.

Yes, and for those just cruising around his Instagram, yet another plug for duggarcars.com. Guess the used car business ain't what it used to be.

Miggy said...

In answer to ennvee; Jim Bob bought two steel-frame house kits. The bolt holes were incorrectly drilled on one so the company sent them a replacement kit for free. Jim Bob or one of those helping him build redrilled the holes on the incorrect frame and all three frames were used to construct the house.

bunnykisses94 said...

" .....duggarcars.com..." I see no cars on that site does he have some like on the red menu? LOL

tiffches said...

Josh makes me sick talking about the "government" construction workers and only half actually working. That is a hard job. It is either freezing cold or burning hot. If they need to break for a few minutes, it is none of Josh's business. I know they do more work in one day than Josh has done his whole life. He does not have one muscle in his body, just flab. If he is such a great worker, maybe he could hire on for a month and work as hard as they do every day. I wonder if he would ever be seen "not working" I bet the real men in Arkansas see him as a joke just like the real men elsewhere see him. These men are working to clothe and feed their families and provide a place for them to live. Daddy and the TV show pays Josh's way through life.

Stephanie said...

This house kit business has bothered me since January. When I broke my foot I was watching internet reruns. After seeing Jimbob beg for freebies in Isreal the house kit story really bothered me. It seems dishonest to not return the so called defective kit. As a matter of fact, it makes me think nothing was wrong with the kit in the first place if he managed to build and currently live in the "defective" house kit? He is always asking for freebies and discounts, I wouldn't put it past him to lie. We have seen him lie on camera before. His ego can't stop is mouth bragging about putting one over on someone.
TLC never likes to put all the free labor, furniture, decorating those years ago. But if you look at the credits, all furniture, piano etc are given credit.

tulip said...

The Duggars look at the defective house kit as nothing but a blessing, as God himself rewarding them in all their years of skimping to get out of debt and live debt-free.
Lots of companies are of the policy that if there's a problem with something ordered, they will often just send out a new one and say keep the defective item-I mean, it's defective, right? BUT, a HOUSE?! Come on, the company was just like "oh well, sorry about that, we'll just send you out a whole new one!" Did the company send out a rep to check out whether or not it actually was defective, or if the customer was reading the directions right and not just jumping to conclusions that there was something wrong with it? Not to mention, it seems really strange a company would just allow the customer to keep all that metal and materials (plus, wouldn't they realize a person could just redrill it and use it, no problem, like The Duggars did?) If the story is legit, well then stupid company-and Jim Bob and Michelle should just have kept their "blessing" under wraps.

tulip said...

I'm also surprised the company allowed them to keep it, just for the reason of liability-which is probably why they just shipped them a new one, but again, because of liability, I would think they would have taken back the "defective" materials.

Alberta Rose said...

I'm also surprised the company allowed them to keep it, just for the reason of liability-which is probably why they just shipped them a new one, but again, because of liability, I would think they would have taken back the "defective" materials.

I'm not. Between briefly dating a drywaller, knowing plenty of weekend construction workers, a best friend whose husband lays concrete, and a husband who knows enough about light installation he can work with a licensed electrician, I know lots of interesting things about the construction industry. There is a simple reason why they didn't ask for the material back. The company is the one who has to pay for the shipping, handling and delivery. It's easier to ship out defective parts. They even write it into their budget.

ennvee said...

Did John David buy a parcel from the back 20? This was found in the public tax records. Note the address matches that of Jim Bob/Michelle:

9152867 DUGGAR JOHN 548 ARBOR ACRES AVE SPRINGDALE AR 72762

But there's also:

76516303002 DUGGAR JAMES R & MICHELLE A REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST 548 ARBOR ACRES AVE SPRINGDALE AR 72762-6219

Is there a possible courtship in the future? Hmmm....

ennvee said...

From what I read, the company did send out and re-drill the defective screw holes. They must have really been off for the new holes to have been effective (ie. if they were 1/8" off, the holes would have overlapped, making a bigger screw hole). Yeah, they were screwing into steel beams, but a screwhole that has room to move, no matter what it's anchored to, can be a potential problem spot.

You can thank This Old House and Tom Silva for this mini lecture on framing. :)

And before I forget, congrats Sharla!

sandi said...

It would probably have cost the co. too much money to pay for return shipping (and back),so they just shipped them another one instead.It saved on shipping charges,which is probably why they did it that way.
As for what to do with the defective kit,that was up to Jim Bob,and it seems he put it to good use.JMO.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "The Duggars look at the defective house kit as nothing but a blessing, as God himself rewarding them.."

You hit the nail on the head with that! (Construction pun intended.) Over the years of watching them become "famous," I truly believe the Duggars feel they are so super-holy that they have been drawn into the limelight, and that they have become reality T.V. and talk-show circuit stars because God is rewarding them for being holier than everyone else. And I am not making fun of Christians in general...I count myself among them, but my life is WAY different than the Duggars' life has become. As a Christian, I see myself as highly flawed but always learning and growing with God's grace. Due to their rise to fame, I think the Duggars see themselves as perfect, and that God made them famous to show us all how to live the perfect Christian life. In other words, their fame, talk-show and speaking engagement money, big bus tours, etc. are all God's reward, whereas I see them as the trappings of a self-righteous attitude.

Heck, anyone can procreate a lot and get a reality show if their life situation is "different." I read that there is a reality show in the works featuring NFL player Antonio Cromartie's 10 children...that's a lot of kids, right Duggars? Yet, they were born to 5-6 different mothers. So, is Cromartie being "rewarded" and "blessed" by God with a reality show?

I truly hope there is still some of that pure, innocent part of the family intact. I think there is. Because, otherwise, here is a great quote I found: "Self-righteousness is like a drug, creating the sensation that you are more moral than anyone else in the universe. Once you've done it, you have to do it again and again." Maybe that's why the Duggars feel the need to keep on doing speaking engagements and their TV show and to jump into the political arena...they are so important that they HAVE to have their voices heard!

Stephanie said...

Early morning rerun today. Anna with Mac about 14 months old driving the Hummer. A couple of shots of her feet. Heeled flip flops (at least they were heels) but honestly, they were at least one size too small. Her heels were hanging way over the back of the shoe. I wish the Duggars would put decent, new shoes on.

Hawgfan said...

In regards to the house kit situation...I suppose there could be more to the story...Maybe they were told to just keep the kit (I assume this was the case) and were savvy enough to still be able to use it. But if they really start thinking about it, they should at least call that company back and offer to pay for the kit since they WERE able to use it. It just seems more honest than bragging about the blessings they got from it. Of course, the known facts aren't always ALL the facts. I am hoping that Michelle and JimBob did just that.

tulip said...

Yes, I remember Jim Bob always talking about how he hopes all their children will build their own homes on the "Duggar-Land"-is this what is assumed with John-David's ownership of the parcel? Back when Jim Bob talked about that being his hope, I found it interesting, since where I live, it's illegal to subdivide land into plots without actually building a "subdivision neighborhood" (as part of the Growth Management Act in our state) I'm sure in Arkansas though things are different, since it's more "country". Wonder if they can fit 19 houses...and counting.

Vera said...

Beth Anne, I couldn't agree more! That is exactly the vibe I get from the Duggars...exactly! I think they started with the purest of intentions but boy have they lost their way!

The sooner this train wreck is cancelled, the better.

Jac&Jil said...

Sometimes there are parts of the Duggars and their doings that remind me of Jim Bakker and the PTL Club. Anyone agree (who can remember Jim Bakker and the PTL club)?

ennvee said...

tulip, since there is commercial lots on the property - that row of industrial sheds behind the house...the Duggars clean the vacant ones and collect rent from the ones in use - I wonder if the entire plot isn't zoned as commercial and can therefore be subdivided? Since they used their home as a church, I am wondering if that's why it could be built there?

Just throwing that out there. Anyone with any knowledge of AR real estate law would be awesome for confirmation of how they can, or can't, use that plot of land.

tulip said...

Hawgfan's comment basically sums up my thoughts from my two previous comments regarding the house kits. I guess I can see the company saving money with the decision it made, but then I agree not to brag about the so-called blessing-I think it was estimated they make like $30,000. per episode, and all the freebies on top of that for the "Moving In" special (interior designer, furnishings, bedding, piano, food stocked pantry)

Enough with the church said...

They didn't "use their home as a church." For awhile they and their friends gathered at their house on Sunday for their "family service." They had no official pastor and the "services" were lead by one of the men. It wasn't a formal, official incorporated church so has nothing to do with taxes or zoning. It meant no more than if I had a weekly prayer meeting at my house.

tulip said...

"They didn't use their home as a church."

Rumors about The Duggars taking advantage of holding "church" in their home are most likely just that, rumors-especially if there isn't anything to take advantage of. However, IMO you can't blame people for the gossip, since it seems like such a typical Jim Bob thing to look for any possible loophole, if one were indeed to exist, to save every last dime.

Their idea of this home church idea seems so self righteous anyway. He mentioned in one episode that at "regular" churches, the family is split up and the kids go to their own Sunday school classes, etc. He said that they wanted their whole family to stay together and worship together. Well, the one "home church" scene I saw showed the little kids restless, goofing around, and just lounging all over the place not even paying attention (so much for Michelle's "blanket training" technique). At least a Sunday school class is like a real classroom setting, and the kids would sit and be supervised to pay attention. Oh, but of course The Duggars have no concept of that seeing they're homeschooled...we've all seen how "school" goes at their house.

I hope John-David is planning to have his own place, even if it is on the family's compound, and whether or not he's courting. Every time I see a scene of "the boys room", I can't imagine being a 22 year old young man having his only personal space being invaded by all his younger siblings running and climbing all over the place playing cops & robbers and wild, wild west.

Hawgfan said...

Just saw on the Duggar blog that TLC has announced Season 10 to be starting at the end of August.

ennvee said...

I have to disagree. Many of these extremist sects have left churches and essentially formed their own with like-minded people. The Duggars are part of this phenomenon; regular church is too "liberal" for their world-view. Jim Bob said on CAMERA that the tinker toy house was used for home CHURCH on Sundays and they showed pictures of him "preaching" without sound. They no longer use that place; they moved what they call their "home church" services to a house that Jim Bob bought out near the airport.

No, they don't have anyone with a degree in Divinity ministering to them, but frankly, most of the IFB types (the extreme Baptists who still congregate in a an actual church building, like the Bateses) don't have any pastors with formal degrees either. Gil "preaches" all the time. Yes, he went to a Christian college, but so did Gretchen from the Real Housewives. That really doesn't mean a hill of beans.

Heck, Priscilla Keller's new husband was preaching at the Duggar home church just last Sunday. There's a picture on Josh's instagram. I'm sure Jim Bob has figured out how to write off the property as a commercial space despite the fact they don't have a real pastor or a real religion (it's piecemeal Biblical misinterpretation, IMO), since no one actually lives there at this point in time; it's strictly used for Sunday services.

If there's one thing Jim Bob knows, it's real estate and he would never have bought that old ramshackle house and fixed it up for the sole purpose of home-churching unless there was some monetary benefit in it for him.

ennvee said...

Michelle's latest at TLC's Parentables, aka Duggar Spin. Now she's claiming her kids aren't learning because they're dyslexic. Odd that they used to brag about how intelligent the older kids who graduated from the dining room table at 16 were.

Sounds like a big pile of excuses to ward off the concerns that the younger kids are not being adequately educated. Jessa couldn't even keep her temper for a 30 second shot while "teaching," and anyone can get a perfect test score if you're allowed to take the test as many times as you want (which is a feature of "Switched on Schoolhouse").

I'd also like to know who these "friends" are. And who's helping Josie who looks to be developmentally far behind the little boy in the hospital with her who was born 4 months after her.

Poor kids; they're the ultimate losers in this mire of much called Gothardism.

http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/family-travel/homeschooling-how-michelle-duggar-approaches-learning-difficulties.html

Hannah said...

Michelle meet moms says her kids have learning issues in her blog and is open to help.

http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/family-travel/homeschooling-how-michelle-duggar-approaches-learning-difficulties.html

ennvee said...

That was supposed to be "mire of muck." No more posting while studying for finals! :D

londonbridges said...

My opinion is that the Duggar blessings have learning difficulties. However, I wouldn't blame it totally on a learning disability. The lack of structure, learning environment, caliber of teacher(s), etc. all play a part in their education or lack of it.

Beth Anne said...

Regarding the "Parentables" content...these were the lines that got me:

"I think if they had been in a public school setting they could have been labeled as reading-challenged. But because they were being tutored one-on-one with me I was able to just work with them and not pressure them."

Yes, the public school WOULD have labeled them as reading-challenged, but then PROVIDED HELP!!! My kids attend public school, and there are tons of early learning intervention programs where certain kids work with specialists who are specifically trained to teach kids with a variety of learning challenges - such as dyslexia (which, as you notice, Michelle didn't even mention by name). I really think she came across, again, as somewhat self-righteous or "our homeschooling way is better than your heathen's way of allowing the public school to label your child." By identifying and naming the learning issue and then attacking it head on, with QUALIFIED, CERTIFIED teachers, public schools are actually helping these kids, rather than just saying, oh, the kids will grow out of dyslexia at their own pace. UGH!

Tired of the home church said...

I don't think we're disagreing about the home churching itself as much about the potential for tax implications. I really don't care that they "home church" except I think it's another way to keep the kids separate and ignorant. They might learn something from an actual educated pastor. What I'm trying to avoid is any implication that they can claim any state or federal tax exemption or benefit when they aren't an incorporated church. It can't happen. I also honestly believe that I might derive more benefit and Biblical education from a prayer meeting with some of the people from my church. There are people I've met who definitely know the Bible better than Jim Bob and other folks trained in Gothard style scripture twisting.

Alysa said...

Regarding the "Parentables" content...these were the lines that got me:

"I think if they had been in a public school setting they could have been labeled as reading-challenged. But because they were being tutored one-on-one with me I was able to just work with them and not pressure them."

Yes, the public school WOULD have labeled them as reading-challenged, but then PROVIDED HELP!!! My kids attend public school, and there are tons of early learning intervention programs where certain kids work with specialists who are specifically trained to teach kids with a variety of learning challenges - such as dyslexia (which, as you notice, Michelle didn't even mention by name). I really think she came across, again, as somewhat self-righteous or "our homeschooling way is better than your heathen's way of allowing the public school to label your child." By identifying and naming the learning issue and then attacking it head on, with QUALIFIED, CERTIFIED teachers, public schools are actually helping these kids, rather than just saying, oh, the kids will grow out of dyslexia at their own pace. UGH!
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I am actually with Michelle on this one, which is unusual. Yes, a public school would have helped, as you said. But I believe sometimes kids just need extra attention -- not some sort of therapy that can potentially make them self conscious. Now, I don't know how Michelle homeschools, but if she does do it the way she wrote, then I believe she is right, extra attention from teacher/mom I believe can help with certain things (all kids blossom at different times, some learn slower!). I also do believe that there is there point when you do want to accept outside help, but you don't always need it right away.

tulip said...

That Parentables blog seemed like yet more damage control to me. Word is out that people are actually noticing that the younger kids appear behind, and not just intellectually, but emotionally and socially. Now, so they don't look bad, they're addressing it by talking about "learning difficulties"...what they need to do is stop traipsing all over the place and get some structure. Any homeschooling scene I've seen has shown the kids goofing off and not focusing their attention on anything for more than 30 seconds. Michelle then does a talking head narrative about how little ones have so much energy, blah, blah, blah. Kids in a classroom setting, or an ORGANIZED homeschooling setting, are able to sit and pay attention, because they actually have a structured environment. Michelle "reprimands" in the baby talk voice, and the kids are right back to falling off stools and searching drawers for Skittles 5 minutes later.

Miggy said...

Michelle has eleven students all working at different levels plus two toddlers. A teacher has twenty students plus an assistant if there are children with learning problems in the class. Children with learning problems receive additional tutoring one-on-one with a teacher. So why does Michelle insist on telling everyone her children get more attention than they would in school?

Melissa said...

I've been watching some of the Duggar re-runs on TLC, and I need to stop because it's making me even more upset.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again: I feel so sorry for Anna (the episode where Josh makes Anna ride the ferris wheel....) I could say so many things about the ferris wheel episode. I will be praying for Anna that she stays safe. Josh has a huge potential for becoming an abuser. And, yes, Josh, I hope you are reading this because your ego needs a huge wake up call!!!!!

Beth Anne said...

Alysa said: "extra attention from teacher/mom I believe can help with certain things (all kids blossom at different times, some learn slower!)"

I totally agree with you on this, even though my previous post may not have sounded like it. I guess my point is the things Michelle says make it sound like the parents who are NOT homeschooling or doing things the "Gothard way" are NOT parenting/teaching correctly. Most parents I know of public school children also invest time and effort into helping their children learn, because, as you said, all kids bloom in their own time. Like JimBob, I had a speech problem when I was younger, and I worked with a specialist in school AND with my mom at home doing exercises. The parents and the specialists work together to help the child. Every parent I know helps their child with homework or projects with which they are struggling, etc.

I believe the Duggar mindset is that all of us "heathens" are just leaving all the teaching, attention-giving, etc. to strangers (aka public school or university teachers) and that we could NOT possibly be as attentive, nurturing, caring, and invested in our children as the Duggar parents/sister-moms are. I find Michelle's comments very divisive, on the whole.

Elvira said...

I'm not sure whether it's herself or us that Michelle is desperately trying to convince that what she did was the right way. I think there's a chance that she's looking at 9 or 10 year olds who are woefully behind and still wild as pre-schoolers and thinking maybe this wasn't so smart after all and yet still needing to sell the party line. Surely she has to see that Josh isn't proving to be a rousing success. That teenage rebellion is going to come out sooner or later one way or another.

Alberta Rose said...

Beth Anne said...
Regarding the "Parentables" content...these were the lines that got me:

"I think if they had been in a public school setting they could have been labeled as reading-challenged. But because they were being tutored one-on-one with me I was able to just work with them and not pressure them."

Yes, the public school WOULD have labeled them as reading-challenged, but then PROVIDED HELP!!! My kids attend public school, and there are tons of early learning intervention programs where certain kids work with specialists who are specifically trained to teach kids with a variety of learning challenges - such as dyslexia (which, as you notice, Michelle didn't even mention by name). I really think she came across, again, as somewhat self-righteous or "our homeschooling way is better than your heathen's way of allowing the public school to label your child." By identifying and naming the learning issue and then attacking it head on, with QUALIFIED, CERTIFIED teachers, public schools are actually helping these kids, rather than just saying, oh, the kids will grow out of dyslexia at their own pace. UGH

Last line from the article: It's also really important to seek professional help as well. We have speech therapist friends who practiced with our kids. It's something that as a parent I know can help encourage a child to learn and give them a new set of tools to work with.

Sounds to me like they are willing to call in professionals. That's how I discovered the Duggars in the first place, when I did a search about home schooling a child with learning disabilities.

Elvira said...

A speech therapist does not equal a reading specialist.

I will grant that sometimes a parent can do a better job with a child than public school, but I fear that too many of Michelle's children seem to show correctable lags for me to buy that she's truly doing the best for them educationally.

MandySue said...

Did John David buy a parcel from the back 20? This was found in the public tax records. Note the address matches that of Jim Bob/Michelle:

9152867 (this is a personal property number, anything that is not permanently attached to land) DUGGAR JOHN 548 ARBOR ACRES AVE SPRINGDALE AR 72762

But there's also:

76516303002 (this is a real property number, anything that is permanently attached to the ground) DUGGAR JAMES R & MICHELLE A REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST 548 ARBOR ACRES AVE SPRINGDALE AR 72762-6219

Is there a possible courtship in the future? Hmmm....
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I deal with property taxes with my job, I don't mean to come across as a know it all.

Hannah said...

Josh is more and more like his dad. He has a picture of Micheal in a tree terrified. It`s like like with Jennifer(I think) at the Zoo.

That is just mean to do something to scare a child who isn`t even one and take a picture of it.

tulip said...

Sometimes a parent can post a goofy photo of their child in a tasteful manner, but that pic of Michael in the tree is so NOT-IMO, that definitely crosses the line.

Another weird pic is that of the close-up of Josh & Anna holding hands. Yuck-brings me back to the days when they were engaged and their hands were the way they were showing affection. Not to mention, it looks like Josh is attempting to brag again by showing off Anna's wedding ring set-it actually looks kind of gaudy to me, especially when paired with that white, extra-bling watch she's wearing. Must be dressed up for another date night.

Alberta Rose said...

Elvira said...
A speech therapist does not equal a reading specialist.

I will grant that sometimes a parent can do a better job with a child than public school, but I fear that too many of Michelle's children seem to show correctable lags for me to buy that she's truly doing the best for them educationally.

I don't. In Grade 1 the school didn't care about my son's reading, they just cared about his speech patterns. It's one of the reasons why I decided to go back to home schooling him. When he left Grade 1 he was 7 and reading at a 5 year old level. Now he's in Grade 4 and reads at a Grade 7 level. I read and observed some of the methods the Duggars used with the more difficult kids and applied them. When I became too sick too home school my son, I agreed to move to a different school district that I heard treated kids with learning disabilities as human beings, not cash cows for funding. Since some of the methods the teachers do are what Michelle does, I'm thinking Michelle's high school education has given her the ability to discover what methods public school teachers use for AD/HD kids and applies them to her own kids.

RJWife said...

To me Michelle is just claming her children are Dislexic! As a former teacher (before I had our son), to be able to qualify to have a learning disability (at least in most states, etc that I know of, I don't know Arkansas standards) you have to have numerous tests, often also going to a specialist, psych doctor (to rule out other conditions, etc) or various other certified professionals that they probably wouldn't pay to see. I think, like others it's an excuse to cover up poor parenting, teaching, bad learning environment, etc. If they do actually have the condition, I would hope they would get there children special tutoring, attention, work with them, etc that they need, although I highly doubt that will happen. Congrats to you and your family on your grandchild! Hope all is well!

Sharla said...

Thank you to all those who sent congratulations on the grandchild! Of course, I'm in love with him. :) I came home this morning but will go back next week to help out again.

Elvira said...

I'm glad someone had success with Michelle's methods but it could have been simply one on one attention. If Michelle were doing so well she wouldn't have so very many children lagging so far behind is my issue. I don't want to call out the children, but aren't there at least six of them who appear to be well below grade level?

Stephanie said...

You are correct. When my son was a baby with Down Syndrome, a therpist said we would be thankful he had a proven medical condition because to get services from the state (school, SSI money etc) to get approval without a concrete medical condition is extremely difficult. They do give children several test and they are not that difficult to pass. The government really makes it difficult to qualify.
And on Michelle's above comment regarding a speech therapist, Alberta Rose gave her props for taking the kids to therapist. Don't give props to Michelle for doing what she is suppose to do. Michelle said "speech therapist friend". Sounds to me like they didn't have the children officially checked out, they just had a friend see them. My guess? They didn't take the babies to a therapy office visit, open a file, or anything that would cost money. Therapy is expensive.
In the state of Virginia, if your baby is delayed, no matter your income, your baby qualifies at 2 years old for early intervention. Half days and they have carseats in yellow school buses. Those buses Josh so quickly made fun of. The school employes Physical, Occupational, and Speech Therapy. I assume all states do this but I am not sure.
Josie would be delayed in all 3 areas just based on her micropremie status. Compared to other kids her birthday in December, there is no way she wouldn't be delayed. She would qualify for early intervention in Virginia but since they don't believe in public school I guess she won't be going.
We saw the red door promotional on TLC. Summer promotional for all the TLC shows. Just a second with each show. I assume they will have a commercial for them alone as well.

tulip said...

I really hope Josh posts another picture soon so that pic of Michael in the tree isn't the first thing everyone sees. A few people commented that it wasn't exactly appropriate, and of course, there are the comments defending him and telling people to leave the Duggars alone.

The thing that really shows Josh to be totally self-centered is that he never responds to comments posted. Not that he would respond to the critical ones, but he won't even answer questions asked by his own friends. All he wants to do is show lame pictures, and to brag. The only time he did respond was when he posted that pic of the guy wearing a "make it legal" (marijuana) t-shirt, as well as a Santorum sticker. After the comments got so out of control, only then, of course, did he finally post a response.

Beth Anne said...

I personally think homeschooling can be a very good option for some children, and hope I didn't come across in previous posts as being anti-homeschooling. Yet, what continually bugs me about the content I read on "Parentables" or what I hear on the TLC show is the clear line Michelle and Jim Bob always draw between themselves and others, with the implication, of course, that their way is best, most holy, etc.

They claim that their reason for doing the show and being in the public eye is to "encourage" others. Yet, if you are the parent of a public school child who may have learning difficulties, how are you going to feel after reading Michelle's latest entry? She basically says, if my children were in public school, they'd just be labeled, but because I am homeschooling, I, the great Michelle, can give them one-on-one tutoring and be more a more wonderful educator. She doesn't say, "Whether you are homeschooling or having your child attend public school, it's important to remember each child learns at his/her own pace and to work with the teachers to provide the unique support needed..."

tulip said...

They have said, and continue to say, they homeschool their kids so they can stay close as a family, learn together with Biblical focus and be tightknit, etc., etc., but IMO what it's really about is control, and Gothard indoctrination.

Miggy said...

Josh, the future politican, is bored at a council meeting. (Not sure he should admit that on instagram.)

Alberta Rose said...

Yet, if you are the parent of a public school child who may have learning difficulties, how are you going to feel after reading Michelle's latest entry? She basically says, if my children were in public school, they'd just be labeled, but because I am homeschooling, I, the great Michelle, can give them one-on-one tutoring and be more a more wonderful educator. She doesn't say, "Whether you are homeschooling or having your child attend public school, it's important to remember each child learns at his/her own pace and to work with the teachers to provide the unique support needed..."

She's right. Yes, we work WITH the teachers but we still do some home schooling because the teachers have to teach to the middle. If my son is interested in something, we're not going to say "Oh wait until next year when you're in Grade 5" we'll say "Sure, we can expand on that topic". There are other things the teachers have said they are letting slide because my son isn't learning disabled enough to qualify for a one on one teachers aide. We're taking up the slack and teaching it at home, using the same techniques the Duggars use. Some of the methods they use are very similiar to those Frank and Lillian Gilbreth used to raise their family of 12, making me wonder if one or both of them read "Cheaper By The Dozen" by Frank Gilbreth Jr. and Ernestine Gilbreth Carey.

Andrea said...

"TLC has announced Season 10 to be starting at the end of August." I think it's great news that TLC has announced that the Duggar's won't be back on the air until the end of August. That means, we've gone at least 5 months without any new material for Jim Bob and Michelle. It's actually how TLC ended Kate G's reign of terror. She began appearing on TV less and less. Fingers crossed, season 10 might be the final season. That said, I’m sad for the oldest Duggar women / daughers. I really hope they get a solid university education paid for entirely by their parents / TLC for all their hard work. Education is the only way out of that disastrous situation.

ennvee said...

Josh is getting a ton of flak for the instagram picture of Michael in the tree. I wonder how many of the criticisms will survive once he (or one of his cronies) get wind of it?

His propensity for taking pleasure out of other people's fears (remember Anna on the ferris wheel, unbelted, with Mack in tow) is just like his daddy trying to force Jenny to confront horses (which Jim Bob confirms as one of HIS fears) and other large, scary things. Then there was the prank with Amy and the clowns.

None of it is funny.

imaamy said...

Wow people are posting some nasty stuff on instagram! Josh must be busy blocking people. Even though I agree with some of what was said, there is a kinder way to get the point across...

tulip said...

People are probably leaving such nasty comments on Instagram because they're so tired of Josh and his ignorance-the pic of Michael in the tree was so not funny. The first emotion that came to my mind was sad-sad because little Michael looked genuinely terrified, while Josh posts for all to see with a big belly laugh.

All his other pictures are self serving and some just plain rude. The picture of them holding hands was lame, clearly showing off Anna's wedding ring set, which by the way someone commented they had the same one (mass-produced design from Walmart?) 90% of the pics of his kids are them being photographed in restaurants.

Not to mention, Josh never posts a reply to anything, not even responses to his own friends asking a question. I personally just can't stand to see another picture of "date night", so I won't be checking in for awhile unless someone finds something more interesting.

tulip said...

Oh well, just had to visit Amy's Instagram...is she and this Reed guy getting married? Looks like she too is now taking pictures of her meals, more promos for fattening food. What's with her profile photo?-it looks like she's topless! Doesn't this count as defrauding to The Duggars-looks like a pose off the cover of a not so modest video.

Porcupine PIe said...

Well, actually he did reply to a lowly fan who said that he wanted to buy a car from him, what a shocker, huh! I got banned from his instagram, darn, but I was going to post that Michael looked pretty scared of that flaming queso a while back. People were saying Michael is always happy, nope he looks pretty timid to me.

I've said it before, Josh loves all the attention, including negative comments and he is too much of a narcissist to make it private. He did post envy envy envy of his employees pics (rdchatman, I think) of his various meals while on vacation though. Uh-oh, Joshie, you're breaking one of the Ten Commandments!

sandi said...

Josh seems to like to stir the pot about himself on instagram.I guess he hasn't figured out yet that stirring only makes things smell worse.JMO.

tulip said...

Anna is also taking in all the glory of fame, as she too, could make her Instagram private. I'm just now coming to realize just how much she really is basking in the limelight. She tries to come across as sweet and reserved, but by allowing the toilet birth scene to make it onto the airwaves, she revealed her true colors. Not to mention as time goes by, it's obvious she's trying to draw more and more attention to herself with all the heavy makeup and clothing choices. And Josh playing up the image posting a photo of him buying her a Coach purse, and showing off her wedding rings and watch with bling. Josh & Anna: IMO, two peas in a pod.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I would guess that Anna's new rings came from either WalMart or more probably from a pawn shop. (You know how the Duggars love to shop there...especially for gifts for the family."Here..you don't deserve something new so take this thing that someone who was down on his luck had to sell." ) Same with her watch, only I suspect that may have come from a shopping channel. (They really plug those ceramic watches ...with "diamonds".)

Alberta Rose said...

Anna is also taking in all the glory of fame, as she too, could make her Instagram private. I'm just now coming to realize just how much she really is basking in the limelight. She tries to come across as sweet and reserved, but by allowing the toilet birth scene to make it onto the airwaves, she revealed her true colors.

Having watched many episodes of "A Baby Story", Anna and Josh's delivery of Micheal Duggar didn't even make me blink. I've seen some more graphic and intense ones, including Larry Joe Campbell (Andy on "According To Jim) and his wive Peggy allowing some explicit footage of her vaginally delivering twins, one of them footling breech.

Elvira said...

I wouldn't worry about the birth if it was a family that didn't bray their modesty at every turn. They aren't consistent in their practices. Hypocrisy is the problem and why people keep bringing up the toilet birth. Many people don't go around talking about their modesty over and over and yet most people I know would not televise themselves giving birth much less on a toilet filmed by non-related males.

Alberta Rose said...

I wouldn't worry about the birth if it was a family that didn't bray their modesty at every turn. They aren't consistent in their practices. Hypocrisy is the problem and why people keep bringing up the toilet birth. Many people don't go around talking about their modesty over and over and yet most people I know would not televise themselves giving birth much less on a toilet filmed by non-related males.

There is nothing immodest about giving birth. By desexualizing birth, it can go back to being something natural and normal and by extension, motherhod can go back to being something natural and normal, to be respected and revered.

I might not agree with everything the Duggar family do, but things like talking about Dolly Parton's big heart for charity and her beautiful voice has helped dexualize Dolly in my family's eyes. By allowing their births to be shown on TV, Michelle and Anna are doing their part to show that birth is not something dirty and perverted, but something that is once again okay to discuss and share.

Kelly said...

Anna knew what she was getting into and was all to happy to do it. She LOVES being in the spotlight and is enjoying the rewards. Josh is an arrogant pig who thinks he will usher in a new era. They new to take eveyone of them off TLC and quit feeding their egos. Set the older girls free and get them an education so they can escape their crazy parents.

Elvira said...

I don't view birth as dirty or sexual, but I do view it as private. There is no way you'll ever convince me that having a camera all up in Anna's business while delivering a baby is in anyway compatible with people who refuse to show collarbones or knees. Knees are immodest but a whoo ha is not? Craziness.

It isn't about what I believe or don't believe though; it's about the Duggars hypocrisy. They can't keep their beliefs straight or be consistent and it seems the almighty dollar overrides all.

tulip said...

OK, someone clued me in to Josh's Instagram, and just had to look...Family photo taken by TLC, and here we go again-Anna looks pregnant. The shirt, the mid-section, and very busty (much more so then someone supposedly nursing an 11-month-old.) Will the suspense ever end? Not if Josh has anything to say about it...bring on the ratings!

Patrice said...

I have never heard of anyone thinking that giving birth is sexual. Far from it! But it should be between the mother and whomever she wants present in the delivery room- her husband, partner, mother, children if she wishes, her best friend or coach, etc. Having a birth broadcast all over TV, and especially when it takes place on a toilet, and a camera crew has the obstetrician's point of view...um, I think not.
And yes, it is definitely hypocritical. "We can't show mommy's knees while she is out doing watersports", (where millions of knees go unnoticed every day,) but it is ok to aim a camera right into our daughter-in-law's private parts, while she endures one of the most personal and sacred things in her life...
"But really, we are better than the rest of the world, because we wear MODEST WEAR!!!!"

tulip said...

I agree with the inconsistency about modesty. They seem so overly concerned with donning wholesome wear, yet Anna's shirts continue to get tighter and tighter, esp. in the latest family pic on Instagram. Michelle's worried about her knees showing, but has been photographed last month for TLC wearing knee-length skirts (which I haven't seen her in since the show started) Oh, I guess since she's wearing black tights and her knees aren't bare it's different.

Then they're worried about the boys being defrauded, but in their own cousin's Instagram profile pic, Amy herself looks to be posing without a shirt on of any kind facing the camera rather seductive-like...I realize Cousin Amy isn't of the Gothard mindset, but according to Jim Bob & Michelle's "Nike!" policy, Amy's Instagram would be considered as off-limits, since that pic could stir up certain thoughts (cousin or not)

Anonymous said...

Josh posted pictures on Instagram today of TLC photo shoot. There is a family picture with Josh and Anna. It's very obvious she is pregnant.

imaamy said...

Wow the pic of Josh's family wearing all shades of blue...at first I said yup Anna is preggers, but then I looked and don't think so. Just a lot of weight gain all over. Her hair looks nice I think. Lots of comments on the pic that she looks with child.

sandi said...

The birth might have appeared modest had it been filmed by Josh,without the film crew present,and from the viewpoint of Anna's head.As it was,having a male film crew in the bathroom whilst you're on the toilet giving birth,and having to block out "down there" doesn't appear to be modest or natural at all to me.JMO.

Sharla said...

Alberta Rose, I did not post your comment as you keep returning to one version or your version of modesty which is not the generic or dictionary meaning of the term.

The Duggars and the rest of us do not use the word in such a strictly limited manner. As such, we aren't even discussing the same thing.

tulip said...

Anna may just be trying to cover up all her weight gain by wearing maternity clothes, or that's all she has in her closet that fits. The shirt definitely looks maternity, and all that extra fabric bunched up at the bottom by her hip makes it look like it's one of those long tunic styles. However, it's way too tight across the bust, and don't see how that draws attention to her "countenance". I will give her a plus for the hair & makeup-no heavy black eyeliner or blush streaks. Looks like someone helped her out who actually knows what they're doing. Josh looks heavier than ever, seeing his shirt looks to be XXL and having to wear it untucked.

imaamy said...

I've noticed for a while that Josh is wearing more "young man modern" fitted clothes. Probably not bought used but what do I know? The style is untucked shirts and more fitted than loose. Often the shoes with the very elongated shape...not sure how to describe them but I see a lot of this style on young men here in So Cal.

Stephanie said...

Amy is totally annoying but in her defense she does respect the Duggar rules up to a point. She wears jeans around them which is against the rules but she would never wear the strapless top she had on in the instagram photo. I think she looks very beautiful in the instagram photos. She looks like a normal twenty something girl. Amy also has good hair and I would suggest the Duggar girls to consider Amy's hair style. Amy's hair for the real world is considered long hair. Those home perms have to be damaging their hair. Michelles hair is a terrible mess and the girls are right their with her. Regarding the navy blue matching photo shoot, how silly for all 24 of them, almost half are adults, dressing in navy blue matchy matchy outfits AND dragging those giant instruments to that rickety old house. The house looks good in Josh and Annas photo on the porch, the set has a lot of texture. The 4 girls had a photo and they had on their stupid flip flops again. JMHO.

Alberta Rose said...

Onwards to other things. I've been trying to think about what they could do the next season that won't generate so much negativity. I hear people say they'd like to see the Duggar girls get married, but it almost seems like if one was to get married, people would say it's not true love, it's just to help the rating. People claim the girls should do something outside the home, yet if one of them were to become a teacher's aide or a doula, or work in a daycare, would that satisfy people or would they just be working at some menial job in order to shut up up the naysayers?

Hannah said...

I think Anna might just not know what outfits to wear now that she had two kids. Maybe, Anna just needs to get some modest fashion tips.

tulip said...

True, people will probably always be critical of the Duggar girls, no matter what, because of being brought up "Gothard"...we'll always wonder if they're truly doing what THEY want, or what they think they should do.

Miggy said...

I can answer the question about what to do next season without getting such as negative response; a show or part of a show dedicated to each family member as an individual. Let's spend 15 minutes with James. Where is his favourite spot outside to play? Let's hear him play some music on his own. He could show us some of his school work rather than us watching all of them at the dining room table. Right, we've seen James. Now let's turn to Jenny. She is only young so she can show us her favourite toy. Her favourite book.

We have learnt "how they make it work" and watched them do everything together. How about a season of opposites; what is it like as an individual in such a large family.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "People claim the girls should do something outside the home, yet if one of them were to become a teacher's aide or a doula, or work in a daycare, would that satisfy people or would they just be working at some menial job in order to shut up up the naysayers?"

These are good points. I think there is an inherent danger in anyone in the public eye having their every move analyzed and potentially criticized. That's why "reality" TV is something that makes me cringe, particularly for the children and young Duggar adults who did not sign up to have their lives taped and scrutinized.

Also, some would argue that the older Duggar girls already have a "menial" job in bathing, clothing, diapering, and "teaching" their younger siblings, along with doing a ton of cooking and housecleaning. Kind of like working at a daycare already, except the Duggar girls do not get paid. At least if one or more of them worked as a doula, nanny to another family, etc., they would be earning a paycheck for their efforts.

Also, who knows what goes on behind closed doors, but I am wondering what the reaction of Jim Bob and Michelle would be if one of the older girls came to them, saying she wanted to move out, get her own apartment, and get an outside job, even if it was working at a daycare, etc. Would that be "strongly discouraged" or outright banned? There's some evidence from ex-Gothard followers that the you-know-what would hit the fan, should such a proposal be set forth....

Hawgfan said...

I just had a dear friend email me that her husband lost his job...been told he is TOO qualified for most jobs because of his college degrees....hmm...with the job market the way it is....got me to thinking that these precious Duggar daughters (and sons) might just be more successful learning specialized 'labor' type jobs rather than going to college right now. I am not knocking college degrees...I worked hard for mine, as did my hubby. But I am wondering if knowing how to be a welder, carpenter, plumber, mechanic, seamstress, farmer, fill in the blank, might just be the 'smart' thing to do right now. Sadly....I don't even see the Duggars as promoting these skills with their children. They could work right along side an expert and do an apprentice type learning. Not everyone needs to go to college...but everyone need some kind of skills. I'd love to see the Duggars learning something that they could use. Yes, learning how to 'mother' and take care of a house is important...but I think they have that down by now.

Jen said...

The picture of the 4 girls is very pretty. It was nice to see two of the girls wearing closed toes shoes (stylish flats). The other two were wearing open toes shoes ( sandals or flip flops).

It was also nice to see them in coordinating clothing but with what looked to be individual style preference.

Eula said...

I'd love to see the Duggars get a makeover. They could be made to look SO much better without going against their beliefs. That hair! Those flipflops! The long denim skirts! I think they just need some basic instruction on fashion.

And about Michael's birth--These shows aren't live. I'm surprised that Anna didn't ask them to omit the toilet scene. I would have. They could have still "shown" the birth without that part. I pity the baby who grows up with the whole world knowing he was born in the toilet.

Andrea said...

Alberta Rose: Totally disagree. Teacher's Aide, doula, or daycare worker are all jobs which the Duggar adult daughter's would be qualified to do. I don't think anyone sees those jobs as menial. What I'd really like, and what I think would quiet the naysayers is a solid college education. I really feel for the adult daughters and fear they may actually believe that caring for a husband and children is all a women is good for. I wonder what kind of education grandma and grandpa Duggar have? Cousin Amy?

Teri said...

I would like to see the duggar girls do something meaningful with their lives. I would like to see them work towards a meaningful career, not some half hearted attempt at a gothard approved program. Those girls shouldn't have to settle for lowly jobs. Jim bob has the means to pay for their educations. They should take full advantage. If they want to marry, it should be on their terms. I hope they can plan their own weddings, and plan for themselves rather than having josh's wedding all over again. Most of all i hope they can choose for themselves if they'd like to kiss their signigicant other before the wedding.

londonbridges said...

One thing for sure, this on-going speculation about the possiblilty of Anna's pregnancy is keeping the Duggar family alive and well. Just the expected result that TLC would like, I would think. JMHO. If Anna isn't pregnant now, she will be in the very near future. She seems to be quite fertile. Time will tell.

Please use a name said...

" I think there's a chance that she's looking at 9 or 10 year olds who are woefully behind and still wild as pre-schoolers and thinking maybe this wasn't so smart after all and yet still needing to sell the party line."

It's not just the young ones who show incredible educational lacks but the older ones who basically sit there and have done nothing with their lives. John David at least has a real business even though Josh's is really owned by his parents.

For me, the real tragedy is the young adult women, they have sitting there, given no opportunities, no education, and they aren't even courting or "doing" anything with their lives. This shows more then anything the failure and the insularity of the ATI system.

That to me is the height of Michelle Duggar's extreme selfishness. She shows absolutely NO CONCERN about the future of any of her daughters except in USING them as her slaves.

The early 20s are essentially important to future adult survival and more and there they sit, going on field trips like 6 year olds, doing endless babysitting and housework for their mother.

Has anyone wondered why NOT one grown or teen child has rebelled or left the compound? Even among the Amish, and other cults young people leave. Is the fame making them more scared to leave knowing it would be *public"? Other young people get away from their parent's cult, why aren't the Duggar girls? If women managed to escape the oppressive FLDS cult, [which there is many overlaps with Gothardism] why aren't they? How did the Duggar parents manage to repress so much of the natural curiosity of youth? I remain in shock, that NOT ONE has even dared to try to break away. How are they keeping these daughters under such extreme control?

NJMom said...

The Duggar kids, and young adults, won't leave their home to try to go out into the world because they have been so brainwashed by their parents and all of the propaganda they've had to endure all of their lives through the home church, homeschooling conferences, re-programming camps run by Gothard...Patty Hearst talks about being brainwashed from the group that kidnapped her back in the 70's, I imagine it's even worse for the Duggars because it's their whole family that's into Gothardism, and they've been into it pretty much since all the kids after Joshua were born.

Hannah said...

Now, some daycare's will only hire with a college degree.

I also only see Jill wanted keep taking care of kids. The others don`t seem to care for it.

I wonder if Jana wanted out so they send her to that camp.

Allison said...

People have been saying Anna is pregnant for 5 months and yet she hasn't changed sizes in the slightest. Honestly I think she's just carrying baby weight (it's not like it just COMES OFF after you pop out the baby) and is probably wearing her maternity clothes and / or clothes that just make her look more round in the tummy area. But I just don't think we can claim that she's pregnant after so many months of her staying the exact same size. It just doesn't make sense...

tulip said...

The pic of the 4 girls is very pretty, modest and contemporary clothes, natural makeup and soft hairstyles. It was sad to me, however, Joy Anna wasn't in the picture, Josh titled as "The Girls". Joy Anna is growing up to be a pretty young woman as well, and at the age of 14, I would have liked to see her in the photo with the older girls. She always seems to be the odd one out (younger then the older, and older then the younger), not to mention, Jim Bob & Michelle still treat her like a kid, celebrating her 14th B-day at that Chuck E. Cheese place AND had to share her celebration with her 6 year old sister.

Elvira said...

Anna lost the baby weight as can be seen in photos from the family reunion. She may have put on road trip weight though just as Josh did the last few months on the campaign trail.

tulip said...

The pic posted on this blog "Anna Pregnant Again?" in the white shirt with jean jacket was in February, when Josh & Anna did a speaking engagement at a church on Purity & Dating, and that's when we started speculating. At that point, we thought she could be 4 months. It is possible that at that time, she may have just found out she was pregnant and started wearing loose/maternity clothes (whether she needed to or not) Some women start wearing them right away, esp. if it's a third, fourth pregnancy. If that were the case, that would put her at about 4 months now, which by her look could be possible. At the beginning of pregnancy, there's usually just an overall look of gained weight and not much more change until that fourth month is surpassed. This is why some of us are still wondering.

However, I absolutely don't buy the excuse of "baby weight". Photo after photo of her taken on their World Tour, about 3 months AFTER Michael's birth, she actually was looking pretty good, and much slimmer then she does now. I was surprised how good she looked so soon after having him. So, if she's not pregnant, she doesn't get to fall back on baby weight and loose tummy muscle excuses-in my mind it's all from eating on the road, eating out on date nights and following her hubby's bad habits.

tulip said...

Adding on: The World Tour photos she may have had a baby tummy left, but her weight and figure overall looked at least 15 pounds less to me, especially in her face. And, I too meant to reference the family reunion. I am more apt, though, at this point to think she just needs to try Weight Watcher's-with Josh, of course.

Stephanie said...

I must disagree friend, contemporary is the last thing the Duggars are. First thing my eyes go to is Janas flexed, white, unpolished, giant toes. Next, Jills white flower flip flops. That dark blue and denim is so unflatering. They need a make over. Even I have come to Cousin Amy's defense regarding her strapless dress which is present day wardrobe for a young woman. Can you picture the Duggar girls in fashionable wardrobe and hair? They could rule the world with those good looks. Bill Gothards fashion tips are laughable.

Jen said...

In the new all blue family photo, one of the boys is holding a trumpet. Is that the boy that was looking for one at the pawn shop for his birthday present but ended up with the power wheels car instead?

I hope so. It would be nice to know he received something he wanted.

I'm also curious is this the first non string instrument in the family?

Stephanie said...

However, I do agree with youTulip about Joy Anna being left out. Maybe they consider these 4 girls adults. Is Jinger officially a high school graduate? I think she is the youngest of the 4 and Jana and Jill are over 18. Maybe they are the old school of daughters being "out in society" for marriage offers. Remember Pride & Prejudice? All 5 daughters age 15 and up were "out" eligible for proposals. It was unsual for younger sisters to be "out" before the eldest were married.

Jen said...

about Joy Anna being left out. Maybe they consider these 4 girls adults. Is Jinger officially a high school graduate?
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Jana is 22
Jill 20 will turn 21 this month
Jessa 19
Jinger 18

They get there GED at 16 years of age and are considered to have graduated at that time.

Joy Anna is 14 not GED graduated. If she follows the same GED pattern, two more years of homeschool. She truly is in the middle not a big girl and not a little girl.

Hannah said...

Anna might just be someone who carries all her weight in her tummy. I also think she doesn`t think get to pick where she eats, its up to Josh. I mean how many healthy choices are at the fast food places? Yea, she can a salad or something.

I also think they they don`t know much about what to eat, how much fiber etc each day. Did we ever see the duggars looking at a picture of the food pyramid?

I also wonder why Anna doesn`t say something. Michelle did and Jim Bob seems more average(or a bit over) to me.

Stephanie said...

I have been following this blog for a couple of years and have a question that popped while reading today. What is the Gothard/Duggar policy on purity rings, ceromonies etc. The Duggars have never promoted this nor talked about it. While watching Zach Bates future father-in-law at their engagement he said something like "when I held you in your arms as an infant I prayed that you would keep yourself for your future husband". My husband and I thought it strange and we commented that when we held our daughter at birth we said prayers of thankfullness for her health and dreamed many dreams none of which were about her first sexual encounter. So what is the official policy of ATI and purity rings?

tulip said...

Well, after reading the comment about Jana's giant toes (and laughing), I had to take another look at the "girls" picture. I guess I'm just glad they're not wearing homemade little house on the prairie dresses with cuffed ankle socks and secondhand gym shoes. Jill's denim shirt/dress with that wide brown belt looks rather quirky, and I think I saw those same white flower flip-flops worn by a third grader. The comment about just the older girls being in the photo as "out for proposals" seems to make sense...It's creepy, but I can just see the caption: Hey Guys: Gothardland's Most Eligible, Apply in person to Jim Bob Duggar.

Seriously? said...

Don't they sell scissors in Arkansas???? Memo to the Duggar womenfolk: Lose the 1980's crinkle perm. CUT THINE HAIR!

With all that hair in the household, JimBoob realy ought to buy stock in Draino.

Sharla, just saw that you became a grandma: CONGRATS and welcome, little one!

Stacey said...

I read on the home page that we can leave comments about the Bates because it would be silly to have another wesite just for them, so here goes. I like both of these families very much even though I do not agree with everything they do. Truth is they are very upbuilding and I sure would love to have them as neighbors. But there is something very weird going on with the Bates and I wonder if anyone knows what is going on. If you go on their website and ask anything about Zach and Sarah and when they are getting married, your comment will be removed within two days. Gil and Kelly respond to all sorts of comments left on the website, but not only will they ignore your comment if you mention Zach and Sarah they will remove it. Try and see if you want. Did Zach and Sarah break up? And if so, is this some type of unforgiveable sin so they will not speak of it and act like it nevr happened? Wonder if anyone knows what is going on.

sandi said...

The girls could use an episode of 'What Not to Wear',which I think is also on TLC.I know they can work with their conservative style of dress,as I've seen them do it.Just a thought.

Stephanie said...

Haha Tulip. It is like the 4 adult girls are doing a dating ad.
Rerun this morning of JoyAnnas 13th birthday on the train ride. As bad as that was Chuck E Cheese for 14 was even worse. The oldest boy required to go was Josiah. The older boys don't have to do anything while the 4 older girls are required to go along with grandma.
We have friends in our hometown who are downright wealthy from owning a towing business. They work round the clock non-stop and they tow tractor trailers off the busy interstate nearby. I have no idea how many trucks and employees they have but think about it, that is a service that will always be in demand. Maybe more than ever since, let's face it, older cars are on the road because people don't buy new cars, there are always accidents and tire blow outs. If John David would work hard he could make a good income. I have a feeling he just works for Josh for free and isn't really trying to expand.

Alberta Rose said...

Don't they sell scissors in Arkansas???? Memo to the Duggar womenfolk: Lose the 1980's crinkle perm. CUT THINE HAIR!

With all that hair in the household, JimBoob realy ought to buy stock in Draino.

They could lose the crinkle perm without cutting it. When you've made the decision to follow the Bible verse about long hair, just the thought of scissors on your hair makes you shudder.

MandySue said...

I have also wondered about the string instruments. Is uniformity a way to show unity? No one is allowed to be different? No brass? Woodwinds? Or a little percussion?

It is just weird that they ALL play a violin.

When will they let the lods think for themselves?

Carolyn said...

What is Amy's instagram?

Jen said...

Ie Zach and Sarah

The Gil and Kelly blog has been quieter, less posts since their show was announced.

So while Zach and Sarah might have broken up they might still be together and it is all part of the show confidentiality clause. Who knows maybe a wedding is being planned. Guess we will have to watch the show to find out.

It will be interesting to find out.

Penny said...

To Stacey-the May 7, posting on the
Bates website has not been deleted where the person asked if Sara and
Zach were married yet. But you are right they did not respond. They also have not responded to the posts asking about them being in a car accident. I also seen posts where people ask for the kids birthdates and they do not respond-they will give the ages not birthdays-yet people do post happy birthdays to some of the children. Also about Erin's interview with the musician-he said Erin slipped and told him the name of their show but Kelly and Gil recent response is they do not know the name of their show, rather than saying they can not release that information

tulip said...

I haven't checked in with The Bates in a while-their latest post is from over 2 weeks ago, though I'm sure Kelly is working on some inspirational thing to say about all her blessings for Mother's Day. However, I have been wondering about Zach and Sarah. With how long the courtship has been, I just thought they were saving everything for when their show airs, or maybe have been required to do so. Something about it still seems fishy. I actually hope it works out. I'd much rather see Zach and Sarah fumble their way through puppy love and newlywed life then watch Josh & Anna's big headed spectacle.

I just can't stand to hear another person talk about what a great and Godly inspiration Josh & Anna are to young people and everyone. Someone actually commented on the Instagram "family" pic about this, and someone else questioned how exactly they are so great. The answers?: 1)Responsible, (posting family photos/children in exceptionally poor taste?); 2)Working, (traveling around the country following a politician while leaving the "helpers" to work the carlot?); 3)Actually parenting their children, (while leaving them at grandma's to go on date nights every other night?) and 4)Raising a beautiful family (in the TLC spotlight for lots of cash). Such an inspiration.

Patrice said...

They could lose the crinkle perm without cutting it. When you've made the decision to follow the Bible verse about long hair, just the thought of scissors on your hair makes you shudder.
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I think it would make me shudder to never get a haircut. I have no idea where it says that in the Bible, but it seems like yet another verse that has been misinterpreted or not meant to be taken literally. How can one NEVER cut or trim their hair? It would be dry and unhealthy on the ends, and it would be as long as Crystal Gale's hair after a number of years. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I just truly wonder about those whose religion says "don't cut your hair" can feel that their hair is healthy and attractive.
Hair, like the rest of the body, needs to be taken care of. The Duggars seem to have overpermed and overgrown their hair to the point of it just looking really bad. We may not like Anna's ego, but she certainly does have a healthier looking head of hair than her MIL or SIL's.

Stephanie said...

I totally agree.

People would tune in for that and they would even get some new viewers I think. They won't of course. Look what a mess it was in Michelle went to Kleinfelds. All the kids plus Josh and Jimbobs big mouths and suggestions. Michelle didn't even pick out her dress. They added the cap sleeze and ruined the already underwhelming dress. When it was delivered it sat in the box on the front porch for who knows how long while the kids literally banged and kicked the box. Michelle could not have been more uninterested in that dress.

Do you all think Zach Bates really broke up? I think they are as savvy as the Duggars and just keeping it quiet for ratings.

Patrice said...

My guess is that is Zac and Sarah broke up, it would be due to the fact that she is not willing to give up her travels with her family music group- and they actually do have some talent so she probably would break up the band if she left. And we all know it is a sin for a married woman to work.
As far as the car accident, maybe a Bates kid was actually driving a little too fast or texting-or heaven forbid, drinking? This would take away from the holier-than-thou image that both the Bateses and Duggars have of themselves- and then they wouldn't be inspiring anymore.
And to the poster that said they are tired of Josh and Anna supposedly being so inspirational to young couples, I totally agree. I would not want them to be role models for my children. Living off the reality TV gravy train is not inspirational. False claims of modesty are not inspirational. Pretending to be saving oneself for marriage while having hand sex that was almost rated X is not inspirational. Nor is uncontrolled eating or anything else that they stand for. yech!
I can think of many more role models who have overcome adversity, struggled to put themselves through school, and worked their butts off to get where they are...now THOSE are role models.

Patrice said...

My guess is that is Zac and Sarah broke up, it would be due to the fact that she is not willing to give up her travels with her family music group- and they actually do have some talent so she probably would break up the band if she left. And we all know it is a sin for a married woman to work.
As far as the car accident, maybe a Bates kid was actually driving a little too fast or texting-or heaven forbid, drinking? This would take away from the holier-than-thou image that both the Bateses and Duggars have of themselves- and then they wouldn't be inspiring anymore.
And to the poster that said they are tired of Josh and Anna supposedly being so inspirational to young couples, I totally agree. I would not want them to be role models for my children. Living off the reality TV gravy train is not inspirational. False claims of modesty are not inspirational. Pretending to be saving oneself for marriage while having hand sex that was almost rated X is not inspirational. Nor is uncontrolled eating or anything else that they stand for. yech!
I can think of many more role models who have overcome adversity, struggled to put themselves through school, and worked their butts off to get where they are...now THOSE are role models.

tulip said...

Regarding Duggar girls (and Michelle) long hair-not only the Bible verse, but I believe also a recommendation from Gothard on how females should wear their hair.

Amy's Instagram: amyduggar
(Pictures of food, her boyfriend, oh, and of course, herself-where comments abound on how pretty and beautiful she is...while the rest of us roll our eyes)

Melissa said...

reading through these comments, and just checked Josh's instagram. He is such an idiot! I can't even put into words how I feel about him because it wouldn't be appropriate for this site. So first the ferris wheel, and then putting an infant son in a tree and making fun of it. And if Michelle would say anything about it, she'd sheepishly laugh and say in her squeaky voice, "This is a learning moment..." Josh is a spoiled brat because his mom made him feel entitled as the oldest child. He thinks he can treat people anyway he wants... His time will come.. Just wait until the TLC gravy train comes to an end...
And I feel sorry for Anna that she's married to such a loser; however, I agree with others that she soaks the limelight, too. She chatters on and on in the show interviews about nonsense and she allows her homebirths to be seen by thousands of people. I'm not sure my comment will be posted because I know I'm being mean and rude with my comments, but this is how I feel. I REALLY hope the Duggars read this site because maybe it will be a wake up call. ANd, while I'm at it, let me add this: Michele, SPEND TIME WITH JORDYN!!!

Melissa said...

We can only hope and pray that August season will be the last season for the show...

Elverna Bradshaw said...

If the Duggar women follow the bible by not cutting their hair, shouldn't the Duggar men be doing the same by growing and wearing beards? Hmm.. pick and choose, pick and choose.

ennvee said...

I posted on the Bates family thread about Zach and Sarah, inlcuding a fairly recent picture from the Reith's blog. As of the end of March, he hadn't put a ring on it and her family's "ministry," the kid-band, is booked solid through the end of the year, with NO appearances in TN.

This is probably best discussed on the Bateses' thread.

Josh and Anna got another cat, which makes me sad for the first one. If a cat doesn't hunt (and I've had plenty that don't), it's going to die in their "care." The Duggars are right up there with the Bates in terms of animal stewardship; thank heavens they don't have horses, they can't even take care of stray dogs or cats.

Also, Santorum showed up at the compound earlier today. TLC was filming and J&A's yesterday; I'm sure they were on hand for this appearance, which does not appear to have included lunch (he showed up around 10-11am). It'll be interesting to see how much of the campaign stuff ends up on the show since they have absolutely NOTHING else going on now, other than that ramshackle house out in the middle of nowhere that will likely be Josh's new place (after his brothers fix it up...lazy Josh sure won't lift a finger) for the growing family.

Hannah said...

Josh is getting a new house?


I don`t get why Rick would go to the house. He quit the race and his kid is sick a lot. I think he would want to be with his family.

Wampascat said...

There are all sorts of things that the bible says to do or not do. We're not supposed to eat shellfish or wear clothing made of mixed cloth according to the bible. I don't believe anyone is holier than anyone else if they have a long head of hair. I don't believe I'll go to Hell if I eat Lobster. If you're going to live by what the Bible tells you, then DO IT ALL or shut up. Don't pick and choose. That's called Hypocrisy. The Duggars are the worst class of Hypocrites.

ennvee said...

The tax records list that property under the Duggar trust. It's either the exterior of the home church (but I thought that was a different style house), or a new place. Why else would Jim Bob buy a new place unless it's for a son who needs a larger house. It also makes room for John David to move in, if he's courting; he's doing something with a plot of the Duggar land, but he may need a house temporarily until his place on the back 20 is completed.

And in the context of Duggartime, that could be years.

Seriously? said...

JMO but it's ridiculous to imagine that a god would give a hoot about how long a woman wears her hair. With the entire cosmos to look after, WHY would any god need women to wear their hair long? What difference could the length of female hair possibly make in the scheme of life?

Personally, I think the Duggar womenfolk are stuck in a timewarp less due to religious fervor (at least the daughters - both parents are over the top and not in a good way) and MORE about 'Daddy likes it that way'.

Nauseating, again: IMO.

Stephanie said...

LOL everytime someone says "hand sex" it makes me laugh. They even have a recent hand porn photo on Instagram-its XXX

Stephanie said...

What's this about a car accident? I have missed something. I forgot that Zach was just courting. I thought they were engaged but that is wrong. They aren't even having hand sex if memory serves. LOL. I don't know why that's funny but Josh and Annas hand holding was really funny.

Alberta Rose said...

1 Corinthians 11:15 KJV--But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

It's not hard too care for long hair. You usually only need to wash it a couple of times a week. You let it air dry or partially blow dry it. There are shampoos and conditioners designed for long hair. Once a week you brush it a hunderd times to get rid of the split ends.

I've received compliments about my hair. I have let the Arctic Blonde grow in because it keeps people from pressuring me to cut it to donate to cancer. I already did that once, which is why some place on the blog I made the comment rather then the Duggar women cut their hair for cancer wigs, just donate the money to make cancer wigs. And yes, when I've said I watch 17, I mean 18, I mean 19 Kids and Counting, I'll hear "Is that why you don't cut your hair, you want to be identified as the same type of Christian as the Duggars?"

Extremists Ugh said...

Good old misogynistic Paul who had who knows what reference he had in mind when he wrote that. I don't think Jesus himself cares what length hair women have. He never talked about it. Making fiddly rules out of Paul's comments like that is as legalistic and opposed to what I've been taught true Christianity is as following all the twiddly stuff in the Old Testament.

Stephanie said...

I must agree. Have they said they wear their like that because of the Bible? They have said "because our dad likes long hair". I think that's just it.

Taking care of long hair is work. My daughter is blessed with thick hair and still wears it long at 12 years old. It is heavy, gets oily quickly, it is hard to get clean and she has to blow dry it or it will stay wet when she goes to bed and that makes you cold. It is hard to keep her bun for ballet in also when it is too long. My sister loves it long and I tell her when "its too long it just looks like we are too hillbilly to go to a beauty shop."

Carolyn said...

"I have also wondered about the string instruments. Is uniformity a way to show unity? No one is allowed to be different? No brass? Woodwinds? Or a little percussion?

It is just weird that they ALL play a violin.

When will they let the lods think for themselves?"
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I'm pretty sure this is just for convenience. Can you imagine 19 different kids, learning 19 different instruments, with 19 different teachers, and 19x the lessons? Yikes. It's just to save money and time.

Seriously? said...

"Good old misogynistic Paul who had who knows what reference he had in mind when he wrote that. I don't think Jesus himself cares what length hair women have. He never talked about it. Making fiddly rules out of Paul's comments like that is as legalistic and opposed to what I've been taught true Christianity is as following all the twiddly stuff in the Old Testament."

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BINGO! As a Catholic child, thanks to 'misogynistic Paul' (an accurate description IMO) women had to wear HATS while in church. Not the men. JUST the women.

It's my opinion that the Duggar thing with female long hair is nonsensical as is, no offense intended, attempting to live life in this day and age according to human interpretation of what God wants, which is really all the Bible is. Again, JMO.

For women with a gorgeous head of hair and want to enjoy it - more power to you. There are some truly beautiful human manes out there and it's a pleasure to see long, beautiful hair on the right woman. It's the silly MAN-made religious dictate fstrictly for women that offends me.

I still wish the Duggar women would lose the woefully-outdated poodle perm and CUT THEIR HAIR. That hair detracts from how pretty most of the Duggar young women are.

MandySue said...

The tax records list that property under the Duggar trust. It's either the exterior of the home church (but I thought that was a different style house), or a new place. Why else would Jim Bob buy a new place unless it's for a son who needs a larger house. It also makes room for John David to move in, if he's courting; he's doing something with a plot of the Duggar land, but he may need a house temporarily until his place on the back 20 is completed.

And in the context of Duggartime, that could be years.

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I think the house is just a prop. In our area it's the "thing" to do when taking pictures, taking pics in front of old buildings. My family did it for our Christmas pics.

John David's taxes are personal taxes (for vehicles) not real taxes (real estate)

tulip said...

I think the violins (strings, harp) also have to do with the "classical" aspect of music the Duggars like (or rather what THEY/Gothard think is acceptable "Godly" music.) Brass instruments are mostly considered jazz, as woodwinds are modern band. However, I can definitely see one of the girls playing the flute. But, as someone said, I can't imagine all those different instruments in one house, let alone the lessons etc. The Duggars have said a "friend" gave the kids their violin/piano lessons...I 've noticed that usually when they say "friend", it often means "free".

Stephanie said...

Someone who has really studied this please help me out.
Isn't "coverings" in reference to covering your head? I.e. hats, scarves, jewish men and women wear head covering to worship? It doesn't literally mean women should have long tacky unkept hair to please God does it?
I don't think the Duggars think that anyway. They truly do it because Jimbob likes it and Bill Gothards supersized families all have that long silly looking hair. Except Anna. I think Anna (and Mac) have really thin fine hair. Erin Bates takes it up a notch and even hot rolls AND teases her hair.
I watched the Waltons the other day and a light bulb turned on in my head. Josh likes to think he is John-Boy. Large and in charge. Except even John-boy had his own room and got to go to college and got to go to public school and got to kiss a girl. Well, the attitude is the same.

Miggy said...

As I understand it, the meaning of "coverings" depends on how you read the Ancient Hebrew & Ancient Greek texts. Some people translate it as long hair, some as keeping the hair covered. Historical records don't help as the women of this period had long hair AND kept it covered as did most of the men.

I will back up what was said above though - the Duggar girls said they kept their hair long because daddy liked it long. They also said something about having the same style was just like the girls at school who wore their hair the same as their friends. I have never heard them claim it was for religious reasons and they are usually pretty quick to do so if there is a biblical reason such as with their clothes.

tulip said...

The family pic with the red socks is probably one of the best I've seen of all the Duggars. They all look pretty good, except that Josh's pants are highwaters. The article, though, was strange-the talk about Jim Bob stressing the importance to the kids that giving birth can be life or death, and Josiah writing in a Mother's Day card about walking through the shadow of death...huh?

Oh well...Happy Mother's Day!

tulip said...

Hmmm-guess it was Jim Bob talking about walking through the shadow of death...as a child, I think that sounds pretty scary anyway. Only the Duggars...

Stephanie said...

Michelle in her mothers day blog also mentions that some of her notes from her kids are written backwards and she has to read them in a mirror. She is really trying to change her image and say she has kids with learningt disabilities. Truth is Josie will have enough delays to cover that issue I don't know why all the sudden her kids are dislexic. My spelling stinks sorry.

They have never said giving birth was life or death before, what's this all about?.. in this day and age death from childbirth is rare. This is the middle ages.

Elvira said...

The only thing I disagree with is the absolute assumption that Josie will have disabilities. Statistically a percentage of infants delivered at 25 weeks do not have problems. I don't think it's fair to Josie for us to make that determination based on a TV show.

Gil said...

The Duggar kids have been shown many times playing violins together, however most of them also play the piano (and electric keyboard), Josh and Jinger both are especially talented there (and not in an Erin Bates way). John plays mandolin, Jessa plays guitar, as does Josh and some of the middle boys, Josiah plays cello, and Jill and Jana are doing very well on the harp. Yes they are all stringed instruments. Most rock, jazz, country, and bluegrass bands are mostly or all stringed instruments with drums. I do think it would be nice to see more of their other instruments highlighted on the show.

Hannah said...

On his instargam he made this comment about how many $1.99 llbs of butter it would take to cover him. NIKE.

Imafan said...

Real quick, is the picture with red socks really old, because Michael is not in it and Mac seems a bit younger in it. Just wondering when this picture was taken and why would they use it for this Mother's Day if it is old?

ennvee said...

Happy Mother's Day to Jana, Jill, Jessa and Jinger. Joy, will get her chance soon enough, but she seems to be in purgatory at the moment (not being pictured with the four older sisters is an indication that she's not worthy yet.

I bet those 5 pampered their already pampered Queen "mother" today, so happy to have been born, despite the reality that they didn't really have any say in the matter.

Wampascat said...

Yes, I'm sure Michelle was pampered yesterday. After all, she's walked through the valley of death many times. Oww! I hurt myself rolling my eyes!

Nikki said...

It would be so interesting to have a psychological review done of the matriarch and patriarch, as well as Gothard and other wolves in sheep's clothing. I think the results would be fascinating.

tulip said...

Just couldn't resist checking in on Josh for Mother's Day, and see if he improved himself since Valentine's Day-and IMO, no, he did not. Guess he took Anna to Copeland's of New Orleans restaurant. (And, no, they were not actually in New Orleans) As someone commented, in response to all his lost-puppy followers who are quick to show just how dense they really are, Copeland's is a chain-restaurant with locations in several different states, including Arkansas.
The backlash was an entertaining read, though, since there were a few "negative" comments (as the loyal followers like to refer to them as) mentioning that if one had to grow up eating what the Duggars did, it's understandable why Josh frequents restaurants each and every day, oh, and also the fact that Josh wouldn't pass up an opportunity to take advantage of TLC footing the bill. ...oh, the little lost puppies didn't like that.

tulip said...

Oh, not to mention, Josh referred to it as a Mother's Day "date night"...ugh. More evidence how fixated the Duggars are on "how special" the husband/wife relationship is, and that it reigns supreme, hence the frequent PDA of Jim Bob & Michelle...second ugh! I don't know about anyone else, but we don't have "date nights" on Mother's Day-we go out as a family, kids with their Mothers-yes, as in Mother's Day.

Wampascat said...

Mother's Day is date night. Father's day is probably a national/religious holiday to Gothardites.

Anonymous said...

I was watching the episode where they go to space camp, and I was shocked by the blatant sexism. Jim Bob was saying he's always been interested in space and aviation, and he knows his boys are too. His BOYS. As a female scientist, that irked me. Then it turned out at least half of the staff people at space camp were women...I was thinking SUCK IT JIM BOB. Later in an interview, one of the youngest boys asked Johanna, "Girls can't go up in space, right?" Purely innocent on his part, but very telling! In that episode or one close to it, one of the parents said [regarding Joy Anna], *Jana was an active little girl too, but she grew up to be a polite young lady. We hope Joy Anna will follow in her footsteps.* That seriously made me want to throw up.

Patrice said...

Agreed, Tulip!
Going out without the kids sort of defeats the purpose of celebrating Mother's Day, doesn't it?
But as we are frequently reminded, the Duggars don't live like OTHER PEOPLE.
They are just too strange.

Stephanie said...

Many of us commented regarding the Jimbob saying he and Michelle wished Joy would grow up being like Jana. Socially awkward, blushes when spoken to, can't put together a sentence with tripping over her own tongue.

Speaking on Jana, when they were packing up for the fish fry this season and were on Duggar Time, everyone was on the bus for the most part and Jimbob was running around saying "Let's go" over and over, did anyone else think it strange that Jana was leisurely making an omelet? She finally took her omelet and got on the bus and they left. I thought that was disrespectful but at 22 years old she has seen nothing but her parents making others wait on them. She has repeated what she has been taught. Jimbob needs to get a handle on Duggar time and how rude and disrespectful it is. He is getting a taste of his own medicine, he has to wait on his kids all the time and TLC producers are showing it on tv. What goes around comes around :imbob.

I didn't hear the "are girls astronauts" if I had I would have been all over that. I guess Wisdom booklets left that fact out.

Why do the older girls aspire to be firefighters? Most women physically can't handle the requirements. Not a bash just a physical fact. These girls couldn't drag a cat, they do zero exercise or training and we haven't heard anything since they made those hideous skirts, what the heck was that all about? London re run is on the morning LOL

Iamafan said...

JMO...I love my kids to the ends of the earth. That being said, it was nice going out with my mom and sister to lunch and pedicures, without little ones. Everyone celebrates differently. My first year as a mom my husband set up a massage for me that day. It was my time out to relax. So if Anna wants to not have two little ones around her on her day, I can understand it. I wouldn't exactly choose to have a date night with my husband, but time away from the kids to rejuvenate is what I covet. I know this is more about me than the Duggars, JMO, thought someone had to say it.

Seriously? said...

"Girls can't go up in space"


Tragic that the Dullards are THAT out of touch with science, not to mention life, as to seemingly be unaware of female astronauts.

Way to raise your kids, Oh, Patriarch and Obedient Wife.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "I was shocked by the blatant sexism..."

I know what you mean. I'm not a huge feminist or anything, but it always bothers me that the Duggars seem to ignore the fact that God gave us all special gifts and a wonderfully designed human brain. Each Duggar girl has undoubtedly been blessed with special talents and a complex brain to apply to a variety of situations, and maybe, JUST maybe, God has a special path in mind for each girl that involves something other than babysitting, cleaning house, and watching her Gothard-approved husband get fat. I'm not saying some of them won't follow the Michelle-like route of getting married young and having a plethora of kids, but maybe God has blessed others with a special talent in science or math, and His will is for a particular Duggar girl to develop medicines, engineer machines, or tackle other technical challenges.

The concern I have is that Jim Bob and Michelle present a very narrow path to their daughters, and truly believe that God only has one path in mind for them. That is not fair nor accurate, in my mind. Even my ultra-conservative parents encouraged each daughter to go to college, find her strengths, and have a career. Even if one does choose to stay home and raise children, no one can take away your education or degree, and you can always go back to work after the kids are older.

Alberta Rose said...

There are all sorts of things that the bible says to do or not do. We're not supposed to eat shellfish or wear clothing made of mixed cloth according to the bible. I don't believe anyone is holier than anyone else if they have a long head of hair. I don't believe I'll go to Hell if I eat Lobster. If you're going to live by what the Bible tells you, then DO IT ALL or shut up. Don't pick and choose. That's called Hypocrisy. The Duggars are the worst class of Hypocrites.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. I've never heard the Duggars say women with short hair will burn in hell. They have said that the way they read the Bible, they believe in long hair for women. When people have a hard time wrapping their brains around why a woman would choose a certain hair legnth, style or colour, sometimes it's easy just to say "That's how my dad likes it, that's what the Bible says, that's how my husband likes it, that's how everyone else in my profession wears their hair, that's how the other women in my family wear it" because you'll get less questioning then when you say "That's how I like it".

MandySue said...

The Duggar kids have been shown many times playing violins together, however most of them also play the piano (and electric keyboard), Josh and Jinger both are especially talented there (and not in an Erin Bates way). John plays mandolin, Jessa plays guitar, as does Josh and some of the middle boys, Josiah plays cello, and Jill and Jana are doing very well on the harp. Yes they are all stringed instruments. Most rock, jazz, country, and bluegrass bands are mostly or all stringed instruments with drums. I do think it would be nice to see more of their other instruments highlighted on the show.

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I realize that this is horse is just about beaten to death.

It's not the string instruments...it's the fact that ALL of them play it.

Not all 19 are loving the violin, or the harp or the madolin. Surely out of 19 kids one of them hates violin. Or maybe a couple of them are not musically inclined.

Why must the Gothard families sing and play instruments?

The Duggars talk about being different from the world but when they go to the homeschool confrences you can not pick them out.

What is wrong with one or two kids not liking music? It's not like it's a sin to not like music. Is it?.

londonbridges said...

I definitely agree that God may have given the Gothardite women special talents and gifts. I have said here before that a mind is a terrible thing to waste. If a woman or man makes the choice to stay home and raise their children, and not be employed outside the home, then so be it. However, if one has an education, one can always enter the work force later on if one chooses. The important word here is 'choice', individual informed choice. JMHO

Alberta Rose said...

Tragic that the Dullards are THAT out of touch with science, not to mention life, as to seemingly be unaware of female astronauts.

Who are the Dullards? I thought this was called Duggars Without Pity.

I do know the young Duggar children are not the only children in the world who believe that females can't be astronauts. Whether Christian or Secular, all you have to do is only discuss male astronauts, talk over any audio broadcasts about female astronauts, change the channel if the show is going to feature female astronauts, and disparage women who are interested in astronauts. It plants the idea in kids minds that females can't or shouldn't be astronauts.

Hannah said...

Josh was so kinda to take pictures of female prisoners working on a flower bed.

Its not only a big invasion of privacy. It`s also rude to his father in law who worked with Prisoners.

Stephanie said...

What? That burns me up.

I know a circle that doesn't volunteer work (with alterior motive) who post facebook pictures with severely handicapped adults without their guardians permission and it burns me up. Duggars have a history of charity work and parading their recipients on TLC. They are classless.

Stephanie said...

Wow!

I just saw the roller coaster picture. First two rows is all men and 4th row has Anna and Amy? Maybe? And behind them is GASp Knees and Legs of one of the girls!!

That coaster buckles between the crotch. I am glad they got to ride but they where forced in the back and the head is cut off from the legs so I guess the girls cante get a picture on the coaster. I guess its no different then them riding a horse or camel in the skirts. Its sill they feel they have to wear skirts all the time.

Jen said...

Haven't the Duggars said something about music being a door opener for ministry? That music ministry is allowed many places where others are not allowed. My guess is that is why they and Gothard encourage singing and playing musical instruments.

I think the Duggars could also encourage musical instrument and singing in their children as it is a something they could have in common with others at the homeschooling conference. You have to know how to how to play in be in the homeschool conference orchestra. I believe some but not all of the older children have played in that orchestra.

On the topic of making all the children learn the violin and piano, many secular families encourage and/or require their children to learn one or both of these. It is said if you can play these you can learn any instrument. It appears that some but not all the older Duggar children have ventured out and chosen to learn other instruments.

It is also said that learning to play instruments helps with learning traditional subjects. This is why some families require children to learn an instrument. The Duggar have been silent on this particular subject other than saying vioiln and piano are part of their homeschooling so it might be a reason the Duggars require instrument learning.

Vera said...

It doesn't matter how many people believe that women are limited career-wise...it still isn't right. The bottom line is that the Duggar young women do not have the same choices in life that the majority of young women do simply because they are not allowed to exercise the free-will and brain that God gave them.

Personally I think trained, licensed psychologists would have a total field day with Gothard. Where to even begin...and to think that people like the Duggars, in essence, trust their lives to him...terrifying!

tulip said...

It seems to me the Duggars legalistic pick and choose probably comes more from Gothard then the Bible. I don't know about the not eating pork, but all the other stuff they say they do (or don't do) because they feel it's pleasing to the Lord is pleasing to Gothard as well-the way the females should dress and wear their hair, courtship, homeschooling, please the husbands. And for the men, working for yourself being self-sufficient, etc. Not to mention, it still seems creepy the emphasis the Duggars place on the husband-wife relationship, and the importance of the closeness (IMO control) of the tightknit family unit.

DuggarCurious said...

On another Duggar family blog website where they are wishing Jill a happy birthday, there is a photo of Jill with Jim Bob and she is wearing a Star of David necklace. What's up with that? It is a Jewish symbol and the Duggars are Christian. Why not a cross/crucifix? Anyone have thoughts on that?

Rudy Tecat said...

Are we all supposed to be impressed with all the 19 Duggar Kids standing up on stage and sawing away at violins? When, a good portion of them (the little ones) are just sawing away at fake violins? I guess it is just a way of showing off how well behaved they are. But, it sort of reminds me of a trained seal act. Someone is stuck back in the 60s where the Osmonds and the King Family were all the rage -- or, the Sound of Music von Trapp Family. I know the Duggars don't care if they look silly or outdated, but maybe they should if they want people to take them seriously.

Seriously? said...

Q: "Who are the Dullards?"

A: I'm pretty sure that if you go to Dictionary.com and search for the definition of "dullard", you will see a picture of JimBob and Michelle.

Seriously? said...

"Personally I think trained, licensed psychologists would have a total field day with Gothard"

AGREED! I also think a psychologist/psychiatrist would have a field day with just about any-/every-one who signs on to do a reality show INCLUDING Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar.

Shoka's Understudy said...

You are not suppose to trust man over God. You trust in God first, over anything/anybody!

To trust a older, unmarried, sick in the head man and all his teachings is just sickening.

ImaFan said...

In regard to: she is wearing a Star of David necklace.

There is a possibility she got the necklace as a souvenir while on their "world tour". Although it is weird, when one is to be so deeply in tune with ones Christian faith, to be wearing such a necklace.

On the flip side she may have just thought, oh thats pretty, I'll get it. No connection to a religious symbol for Judaism. They can't possibly be that clueless to not understand the connection.

JMO

sandi said...

>On another Duggar family blog website where they are wishing Jill a happy birthday, there is a photo of Jill with Jim Bob and she is wearing a Star of David necklace. What's up with that? It is a Jewish symbol and the Duggars are Christian. Why not a cross/crucifix? Anyone have thoughts on that?

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I'll try.
God says the Jews are His chosen ppl,and as such,Christians are to be supoortive of them,even though their beliefs are somewhat different.So that may be why,in general,she is wearing it.It's considered to be just as (customarily) Christian as the cross is for many ppl.

Rudy Tecat said...

I don't understand about all this following of Old Testament laws (re: pork, dress, etc). Didn't Jesus reject a lot of that? Didn't He eat with people He wasn't supposed to? Didn't He perform miracles on the Sabbath? Didn't He say that the only law to follow is love God and your neighbor? It seems to me that all these laws passed down to the Duggars (dress, food, schooling, etc) by the Gothard people are typical cult laws designed to keep the followers separate from society.

Jen said...

Dullard is a real word. I learn something everyday.

Dictionary definition is a stupid person. Synonyms dunce, dolt, dumbbell, dummy

Can Michelle and Jim Bob truly be classified as dullards if they have figured out how to get fame, fortune, and freebies?

londonbridges said...

I totally agree that psychologists/psychiatrists would have a field day with reality "stars", including the Duggars. Many billable hours, I'm sure. However, I would think that Gothard in all his wisdom and knowledge would never allow such mental and emotional health assessments to happen, let alone the work after. JMHO.

Stephanie said...

Sawing LOL

They are no Von Trapp family that's for sure.

Stephanie said...

And it doesn't show they are well-behaved, it shows what good actors (liars) they are. And they DO lie. Jimbob lied in an interview saying Michelle, Jill, and Josie "stayed back" because Josie had a cold. Truth was they were in Isreal because Josie was too sick to fly. I don't think a cold keeps you off of a plan. Wouldn't the kids who are faking the violin be the same as liars? JMO

tulip said...

I have for sure decided Anna is NOT pregnant...roller coaster pic... definitely looks like Anna in the third row (and same aqua blue top). Definitely wouldn't be riding that thing if she was. Nevertheless, still several comments saying she looks pregnant-standing to the side in the family pic, she has quite the tummy bulge-must just be flab folks. Guess the Silver Dollar City trip this time around was for Jill's bday, and never fail, we'll get to watch them "having fun" there AGAIN, as Jim the soundman was also in the front row of the coaster. Oh, and Amy was there too, so she'll be bopping around acting like a goof attempting to draw attention to herself, in spite of the fact that it's Jill's birthday, therefore someone else is in fact entitled to the spotlight. Joy Anna with a temporary tatoo for all to see, posing for a picture in short sleeves with tatoo facing the camera-surprised Jim Bob & Michelle would even allow the look of pretending she has one. Well, as long as she's not wearing pants.

Elvira said...

Latest Parentables:
http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/family-matters/why-michelle-duggar-has-4-m-open-door-policy.html#mkcpgn=fbtlc1

Jen said...

"Wouldn't the kids who are faking the violin be the same as liars?"
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My opinion is no they would not be liars.

It appears they use the Suzuki method of teaching/learning the violin. Not sure if they have actually stated that is what they use but it appears that is what they use.

The younger children who are "faking it" would actually being showing off the age and/or level appropriate skill for that Suzuki level.

Even if that skill is just holding the violin gentle/properly or bowing in time to the music, even without strings to make actual sound, they are preforming actual Suzuki skill levels, beginning levels but still skill levels.

tashapork said...

Having a cold can be serious if you have an underlying health condition such as immature lungs as Josie did. It could be questioned whether it was advisable to expose her to the germs that led her to said cold, but I think in their minds, the once in a lifetimeness of this trip and availability of medical care if needed outweighed the risks in their minds. They weren't lying, they were just witholding some information probably at the direction of TLC since episodes were shown out of order in order to air the Europ trip during sweeps.

tulip said...

Regarding the new Parentables: Only Michelle would feel the need to make sure everybody knows it's okay if their kids want to come in their room in the middle of the night, and they keep their door open. With the husband-wife relationship reigning supreme (and talk a while back about Josie now sleeping in the "girls room", while Jim Bob & Michelle close their bedroom door to turn in for a good nights sleep), looks to be, yet another, blog entry covering damage control.

Rudy Tecat said...

I like the part where she says, "Some of them are more sensitive, and to them their love language is touch." These are your kids, Michelle...they don't come in your room to sleep on the floor next to you...they come in to your room for you to hold them and comfort them! If some of your children's "love language" isn't touch, its because you never held them enough when they were younger! They're going to end up on some psychiatrist's couch someday because of it.

tulip said...

Is that Anna on the roller coaster, or Jill, Joy??

Seriously? said...

"Can Michelle and Jim Bob truly be classified as dullards if they have figured out how to get fame, fortune, and freebies?"

Absolutely. Having a freak show/train wreck of a family at a time when tv moguls are looking for cheap production tv shows, the birthing the reality show genre was, for the Duggars and Gosselins (and a nauseatingly countless others at this juncture, a matter of happenstance - being at the right place at the right time AND not being above selling out your kids' lives for profit.

It's important not to confuse serendipity with smarts.

tulip said...

Yes, regarding the violin practicing-in the earliest specials, when they showed the violin playing, the point was made that although some of the kids were too young to play yet, they still had their own pretend violins so they could "play along" with the others. Where's the so-called individuality the Duggars are always saying the kids have? At that young of an age, if they're not shown/introduced to anything else, how would they even know there's anything else out there?...Exactly.

mom in texas said...

tulip said:
Is that Anna on the roller coaster, or Jill, Joy??
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It's actually Jessa. If you look at the family photo Jessa has the same blue colored shirt like Anna. Anna still appears to be pregnant, not pudgy to me. But her not riding the coaster could be because of Michael and MacKynzie. Surely if she had rode she would be right nexgt to Joshie. My question is where was Michelle and Josie on this trip?

Mindy said...

Regarding the roller coaster, my guess is that Anna is taking the picture since she is very obviously pregnant:

http://instagr.am/p/KsYoP6uWNI/

aussie said...

I, too, started to think Anna was not pregnant after all, until I saw the Silver Dollar city picture and the one below:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m48b66CZcb1r8mb1io1_500.jpg

Vera said...

The Zeitgeist just happened to be right for their reality show...I agree it has nothing to do with intelligence on the Duggars part.

Both Jim Bob and Michelle have proven repeatedly that they are a lot of things but smart is not one of them.

Rudy Tecat said...

I was thinking this morning: if a big part of your Christian religious beliefs is all about making money (re: Jim Sammons and Bill Gothard) then you haven't been listening to what Jesus said and how Jesus lived. He didn't say "Blessed are the rich" you know. It seems like the Duggars might be camels trying to pass through the eyes of needles.

tulip said...

Ok, now that I know that's not Anna on the roller coaster AND after zooming in on the family pic at Silver Dollar City, I changed my mind (yet again). Although, I've always thought Anna was pregnant since I saw that very first suspicious snapshot. There's just no denying that it's truly a baby bump. Looking at that family pic, they're all looking in a totally different direction then the angle of the picture that was posted. It seems to me the way Anna is standing holding Michael, she was thinking of the angle the picture was originally intended to be taken from (where they're all looking), but since the picture posted is obviously an additional person snapping their own shot (from a completely different angle), it clearly shows off the baby belly that she was trying go cover up. Only thing, Josh posted it for all to see?

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