Free Discussion April 2012

Please use this for Duggar sightings, speculation, or general discussion. Note that this is Duggar discussion not other families, TV shows, politics, religion, or personal stories. If the comment is more about you or some other issue than the actual Duggars, please rethink before sending. Thank you!

122 comments:

londonbridges said...

The 'Gothard' women do indeed get pregnant as often as possible, nurture the pregnancies, deliver these babies, and care for all of them while the 'Gothard' men are travelling, bowling, eating out, etc. while the greatest work is done by their dutiful adoring wives. That is, until the Duggars have shown us, there are several older young women (sister/mommies) who then care for anyone over the age of six months. This includes bathing, feeding, diapering, getting up with said little ones during the night hours, etc. Michelle may have raised and cared for the older blessings, but she has given total responsibility to the oldest female blessings. JMHO

Seriously? said...

IMO, women who tolerate this treatment are dumb or insane or both.

Meg's Mom said...

I have been watching the reruns in the morning and found a new pet peeve. I can't stand the Happy Birthday song they sing. "May you feel Jesus near, every day of the year...." We get it... you love Jesus, but a kid can't even get Happy Birthday to you?

Seriously? said...

I agree with both londonbridges & Meg's Mom. The Duggars make no sense and to hold themselves up as the ultimate in 'strong family' is ludicrous.

heavennoseven said...

The woman are raised to think thats how it should be, they don`t see other views.

roddma said...

We get it... you love Jesus, but a kid can't even get Happy Birthday to you?" " The reason you don't hear 'Happy Birthday' often on TV is because it is copyrighted song. The tune is public domain but not the lyrics. I feel the same way about them singing 'Amazing Grace; like they don't know any other hymns. There are plenty to pick from.

Stephanie said...

Just listened to Michelle on radio show. Not the one where she talks about grandpa. This one had a teenage girl caller using the baby voice homeschool, college plus. Gag. One woman asked about how to put the kids to sleep and she called it "happy nappy time". Gag. One woman had a 25 week premie at 3 years old is just now showing developmental delays. Michelle said she would send. Josie to therapy but she is perfectly healthy so she doesn't need anything. Right.

But some guy Robert got through and asked how she dealt with hate sites like Free Jinger, Michelle proceeded to answer with following Christ etc. And Robert said "but you don't follow Christ you follow Bill Gothard". Then he was cut off.

Stephanie said...

I just put all this together while looking for interviews where they talk about Grandpa. The interview I referenced in the previous post was March 30th. While looking for Grandpa interview, I realized Michelle was scheduled for the Donna radio show earlier and didn't call in until the last 15 minutes of the hour long show. These people are unbelievable. As soon as she gets on the radio instead of appoligizing she says "I was told to call at 1:45 and its 1:44 I am right on time". She mentioned her publicist called her to inform her she was late. So they had her for 15 minutes and rescheduled her for another hour. Those radio hosts had to be angry however they excused her because of her kids. Does anyone know where the grandpa comments are? I would like to hear it.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

About that radio show Stephanie is talking about, 3 of those callers were actually posters from an anti-Duggar website. Michelle got pranked!

Betty said...

She surely did. Tee, hee.

Stephanie said...

What??? One caller Rebecca did the baby voice and the hostesses went on and on about how she sounded like Michelle. The girl said she was homeschooled and going to do college plus etc. Was that one of them? Because it was spot on. What about the so called mom of the premie? Was that a prank? Because the delays and therapy are something that I think they would be in total denial about. She said Josie was perfectly healthy.

Seriously? said...

"The woman are raised to think thats how it should be, they don`t see other views."

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True, but many of us were raised in strict, religious homes, yet in adulthood we were able to THINK through the rhetoric and see all the pretzel logic.

I have to assume women like the Duggars aren't bright enough to THINK and comprehend.

Patrice said...

Stephanie said...
What??? One caller Rebecca did the baby voice and the hostesses went on and on about how she sounded like Michelle. The girl said she was homeschooled and going to do college plus etc. Was that one of them? Because it was spot on. What about the so called mom of the premie? Was that a prank? Because the delays and therapy are something that I think they would be in total denial about. She said Josie was perfectly healthy.
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I think those were all pranks, as well as the girl who said "my friend wants a lot of kids but her last two pregnancies had complications. How does she know when God wants her to stop?" Pretty funny that neither Michelle nor the hosts of the show knew they were being taken!

ennvee said...

Just listened to Michelle on radio show. Not the one where she talks about grandpa. This one had a teenage girl caller using the baby voice homeschool, college plus. Gag. One woman asked about how to put the kids to sleep and she called it "happy nappy time". Gag. One woman had a 25 week premie at 3 years old is just now showing developmental delays. Michelle said she would send. Josie to therapy but she is perfectly healthy so she doesn't need anything. Right.

But some guy Robert got through and asked how she dealt with hate sites like Free Jinger, Michelle proceeded to answer with following Christ etc. And Robert said "but you don't follow Christ you follow Bill Gothard". Then he was cut off.

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Robert, the "mother" with the girl named "Jenesis" and the "mother of the preemie" all punked Michelle.

Grandpa WAS mentioned in that interview. It was toward the end when a legit caller asked what to do about her husband who refused to pony up to Christianity. She used Grandpa as an example of a bad male headship, but said their marriage got stronger because of Grandma. She blamed a foreclosure on him, and we saw his disapproval of his son's lifestyle (which he added Michelle's father shared...someone pulled up the clip on YouTube the other day after all this went down).

Jim Bob used the exact same verbiage to trash his own father on the campaign trail at an event on Saturday.

How dare vilify a dead man who can't defend himself to illustrate faith? Especially his own father in front of younger children who really shouldn't know these things until they're older.

It was bad enough when Michelle did it, but that Jim Bob used the exact same language as part of his stump speech is telling, and not in a good way. What bothers me even more is that Grandma is allowing this. She has enough money to move out; I think the only reason she really stays at this point is for the kids. Grandpa may not have been the best father or money manager, but there was no doubt he loved his grandkids and they loved him; we saw that in the funeral episode.

Apologies for the length, but man, almost no one has perfect parents and despite what Jim Bob and Michelle appear to think, they are FAR from perfect parents. These days, they're not even really parents, their four oldest daughters are.

Angie said...

it really looks like these duggar skirts are getting shorter and shorter. I would figure jeans would be much less revealing....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78544833@N05/6887277854/in/photostream/

ennvee said...

You can see Jana's knees and Jill's bare feet in a picture he posted today (they're eating in the back of the bus...all except Jana).

I almost hope she is going to work for Gothard and not just going for another round of shock treatment at that indoctrination camp (dates 4/7-17). She knows how to keep sweet comported herself well over the weekend, but how is she, deep down? I think unlike Jill, who seems to breezily accept, Jana is more thoughtful and it is these people Gothard needs to break for his plan to outbreed and outvote Everyday USA to work.

However, I think she's going as a counselor this time, although young women can attend as campers from ages 13-30 (poor Joy went last summer...that worked well...NOT). I think getting away and maybe meeting someone would give her a real smile and not the face she can turn on when required.

Wampascat said...

I don't have a modicum of respect for Jim Bob or Michelle. For Jiim Bob to trash his own father publicly for the sake of a stump speech and Michelle doing the same in an interview! They have finally stooped to the lowest level; denigrating a dead man to make them appear superior. Their day is coming. They have nineteen kids and odds are that one will speak out at some point. Then we'll hear who really is a bad example of a mother and father! I can't wait!

tulip said...

I feel sorry for Grandpa. During his last days, he was paraded around for reality TV with absolutely no dignity, and now that he's passed on, they just make it even worse by repeatedly bringing up what THEY consider his shortcomings.

The girls skirts are definitely getting shorter, even Michelle has joined in their new trend. Jana still wearing flip flops to church, and the other girls wearing cowboy boots with bare legs.

I started the radio interview, but could not stand listening to the hosts-they had to be the most annoying voices and personalities I've heard, not to mention their show sounded less than amateur, with the frequent talking over one another and like it was being recorded in someone's basement.

Seriously? said...

HUH? Trashing the dad for whom JimBoob managed to eke out a few on-camera tears at the old man's funeral?

The Duggars are such a farce.

All their righteous talk about their "Values"? The Duggars do not even BEGIN to measure up in my Values book.

WHEN are their ADULT kids going to actually DO something positive in the world with their lives instead of remaining tied, unthinking and umbilical-like, to their parents?

heavennoseven said...

How rude to grandpa. I wonder if will write a book about his terrible dad.

The money thing is stupid. He has a show and can`t buy his kids beds? He wasted tons of gas do follow Rick.

It was a different time back then. It seems Grandpa didn`t like them having so many kids. Its a legit reason.

Wampascat said...

It's true that Grandpa Duggar was against them having all those kids. I remember him stating as much in an interview on an early season of the series. It was something to the effect that he loved all of them but it was time to stop. I also remember that Michelle had a sister on her birthday episode who stated about the same thing. I wonder if she'll be trashed next? I guess all of us who disagree with anything the Duggars do are just poor lost souls and bad examples. After all, their way of doing things is the only right way. {{insert sarcasm}}

Nancy said...

Looks like good ole boy Jim Bob was caught out in yet another whopper of a lie during his stump speeches on Saturday when explaining why Michelle wasn't present. He told the crowds (one of the speeches is up on YouTube - Neenah, WI) that Michelle was home nursing sick kids.

The day before, she told the radio host that she was merely "home with the little ones and Jessa" no mention of sickness. Now, that's fine, except that on Saturday she was at the World's Largest Baby Shower in Springdale. Event info here:

http://fayetteville.macaronikid.com/calendar/event/c195745/

There are unconfirmed rumors that Michelle and Jim Bob were seen in the Chicago area earlier today (Wed), presumably to say goodbye to Jana, who is, at minimum, doing another one of those indoctrination camps, but appears to be working in a more advance role as counselor (and needs a few days training before the retreat starts Saturday) and may stay on to work at other retreats (cooking, cleaning, etc). Priscilla Keller did this for a couple of years and it yielded a husband. Maybe Jana can find one here as well, then they can ditch Gothard ASAP.

Then I woke up. Oh well, working for Gothard can't be worse than mothering all those kids under age 10 and if true, I hope Josie is okay; she is on Jana's "buddy" team. I guess she'd be passed to Joy who, I'm sorry to say, has no lingering effects of that camp these days. She still looks sullen if she's not performing and forced to plaster the "keep sweet" smile on her face.

Leah said...

One day, Jim Bob and Michelle will discover that talking badly about your parents to your children is a vicious cycle. Your kids grow up, become adults, then talk badly to THEIR children about "grandma and grandpa". And so the cycle continues. Being disrespectful in front of your children breeds a disrespectful attitude. It's the natural progression of things, but for some reason the duggar parents seem to think they have discovered the formula to perfect living. Can't wait for the kids to rebel and humble their parents.

londonbridges said...

I would assume that the Gothardites believe that parents should be honoured and respected. It appears that both JimBob and Michelle have difficulty with that concept. What goes around, comes around, and there just may be one Duggar blessing who will show the same disrespect. JMHO.

ennvee said...

I was in a discussion with someone who didn't realize the Duggars had publicists/agents and decided to do a quick google search, just "Duggar agents" and came up with this:

http://celebexperts.com/talent/bob-michelle-duggar/

Not sure if this place works with their agent or is even legit, but if it is, WOW, they're making some serious coin. Sick kids last weekend? No, Michelle was picking up a check at that World's Biggest Baby Shower event.

I believe they have both a publicist for the family but I know Michelle has a woman dedicated to just her engagements; I've seen her name before, maybe on their website?

Since Michelle is going off for all these speaking engagements (may as well watch the show for free, really) and the family trots out the dog and pony show at every opportunity, I want to know where all this money is going. I bet the kids won't see a dime (other than Josh's house and the guys' businesses) until Jim Bob and Michelle die and the trust kicks in. Then again, all of the money could well be gifted to Focus on the Family, etc and they may never see a dime of the millions that have been made over the past 8 years.

heavennoseven said...

Josh asked on Amy`s instargarm what Calories were? I hope he was being funny. He also posted about going into work. It seemed he didn`t head too after noon.

sandi said...

Wow,I had no idea Jim Bob and Michelle pulled in that much for a single speaking engagement.No wonder they are never at home;it certainly doesn't appear they'll be hurting for income after the show ends,either.

londonbridges said...

I think all the Duggar blessings should have money put in trust, at least, for their participation in the show. Focus will probably be gifted some of the proceeds, but Gothard and his merry followers will, as will. JMHO.

tulip said...

IMO it's doubtful they gift the money, except for tax write-offs. Jim Bob & Michelle are definitely stock piling it. They've still got a lot of little kids left to support (and even the big kids/girls while they are required to stay home til they get married and can't get a real job), and they hopefully aren't as dumb as Kate G. thinking TV and popularity will last forever.

Plus, whenever they talk about "helping out", it's always in the context of giving their time and service, not monetary donations. As a matter of fact, I can't think of any time they've mentioned actually donating money to anything. I even wondered with Alex's Lemonade Stand if they put any of their own cash in, or just made a point of how "special" it was they braved standing out in the cold, wet weather all day for a "good cause".

ennvee said...

IMO it's doubtful they gift the money, except for tax write-offs. Jim Bob & Michelle are definitely stock piling it.

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Oh, they're definitely stockpiling. I meant that these organizations, Gothard included, will be gifted from the Duggar TRUST, not that they're gifting at present. Heck, these organizations are all getting free promotion from being on the show.

Service is great; I did a ton in different capacities (scouting, school and other various organizations), but the Duggars also have the wherewithal to open up the wallet and write a check to the Lemonade Stand, Soup Kitchen or especially the missionary they go to in Central America. Shoot, the donations would be tax deductible and we all know how Jim Bob will squeeze a penny until it cries for mercy.

Stephanie said...

I knew there was something about the Duggars that I didn't like in the back of my memory and I found it yesterday and thought of us on this blog.

NIV version, Jesus words in red
Matthew 6 1-4
1. "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness'
before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2. "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
3. "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing
4. "so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Happy Easter blogging friends.

Vera said...

Just saw a public service announcement about shingles and how they are caused by the same virus as chickenpox. I guess Jim Bob never saw that...oh wait, they are only ON television...they don't actually watch it. My bad...

Seriously? said...

Something the Duggars themselves could use - a poke in the direction of critical thinking skills instead of their ad nauseum pat, rote, superficial rhetoric, which makes little if any sense in real life. JimBob and Michelle might as well have had Josh and the simply cloned the other 19 (or are we counting Caleb and Jubilee today?), since ALL the Duggars stick to the EXACT SAME religious script. Parrots, anyone? Pretzels, then?

heavennoseven said...

I just watched 8 min video of it on they wanna make her Javvanh? It was such a set up. I loved how Jackson threw food right after she said it. I wonder if own real plates or they belong to someone from the today show? Boys do the dish, Ha. I bet the girls do them if they ever use real ones.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/duggars-family-day-in-the-life_n_1412468.html

Alberta Rose said...

When reading and quoting Bible verses, different types can convey different meaning. I suspect the type Jim Bob uses is what is known as a Life Application Study Bible. As the title would indicate, it is for those who like to study and apply the Bible to their lives. As well, my church recently did a teaching series which helped me better understand the Duggar way of life.

The Duggars do what they not for appearances but because that is how they live their lives. They were doing that long before TLC discovered them, and they will continue to do so long after TLC leaves them. They give not because it benefits them but because it benfits others, in response to God's love. Mother Teresa never turned down an interview, there are many Christian organizations that advertise and have publications. If you are going to decry what the Duggars do, you'll also have to finger point at Focus on The Family, Family Foundation, Operation Christmas Child, as well as make it illegal for churches to make indication of what the buildings purpose is.

Stephanie said...

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but I just watched Michelles interview (one of many) where she tells the story of getting pregnant while on the pill and then losiing the bady BECAUSE of the pill. I simply googled "can you get pregnant while on birth control pills?"

The ignorance of them repeating this story is huge. The pill is OVER 99% effective. And it is not normal for it to hurt an exsisting pregnancy. It even says large doses of the pill will not cause a pregancy termination. How she even got pregnant on the pill with an over 99% success rate? My guess is she just took her pills wrong, they would say its Gods will. However, they don't say the miscarriage was Gods will they say the miscarriage was because of the pill? They realy pick and choose what they want.

This doctor should have just said this is what happens sometimes. Its funny that he casually agreed with their suggestion that the pill caused the miscarriage. Why did that doctor ever put that idea in their head when all studies show it doesn't really work that way? I watched that after looking for the entire Today Show live breakfast from yesterday. Can someone put up a link to entire coverage?

My point is no one ever questions this and some people are so ignorant they will believe this can happen. It just puts more guilt on women. " Don't take the pill, it doesn't work and you will kill your own children". Don't men every do wrong?

Alberta Rose said...

The ignorance of them repeating this story is huge. The pill is OVER 99% effective. And it is not normal for it to hurt an exsisting pregnancy. It even says large doses of the pill will not cause a pregancy termination. How she even got pregnant on the pill with an over 99% success rate? My guess is she just took her pills wrong, they would say its Gods will. However, they don't say the miscarriage was Gods will they say the miscarriage was because of the pill? They realy pick and choose what they want.

Of course that's what happened. Every pill pregnancy is the result of taking it wrong, whether it's taking one 12 hours late, the doctor saying "Why didn't you ask me if this medication is compatible with the Pill?" or "Most women would refrain from sexual activity while on this medication" or "You shouldn't take herbal supplements. You should take only what I tell you to take when you're on the birth control pill" or "Yes there is a class action suit against this birth control pill, and this one is linked to depression, but don't worry, this one is safe" followed by "You became pregnant? What did you do wrong?"

sandi said...

The Duggar's comments regarding the pill are one of the things that really made me see the light about them.I googled it as well,and over and over again, reputable sites tell me that the pill does nothing to stop a growing embryo or fetus,nor does it encourage a miscarriage.The info on Michelle's page is about it preventing implantation,which is a lot like crying over spilt milk before the fact.There is no guarantee that ANY fertiziled egg will definitely implant,and even if it doesn't,no proof that the pill is what caused it to not do so.Approximately 25% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage anyway;for Michelle (or any Dr.,for that matter) to blame the pill is baseless.Any Dr. who would do such a thing (guilt trip a pt. into believing she caused her own miscarriage by using the pill) should be firmly reprimanded,if not more (JMO).Certainly the medical board should be made aware of it.It's odd the Duggars have never named this Dr.,if it is such a sure thing to them.Certainly any Dr. who really believed this would be more outspoken about it.But I see no one in the medical community making such a claim.IMO this misinformation about the pill is done so by Jim Bob and Michelle for political purposes,and their own personal belief that using birth control is morally and religiously wrong.In other words,it's ok for them to be untruthful,as long as the cause is right.JMO.

Seriously? said...

"In other words,it's ok for them to be untruthful,as long as the cause is right."

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Yes, in Duggar World, the end always justifies the means. A very weird sense of ethics and YET they so righteously hold themselves up as models of the way, the light, and the truth.

I agree with the entire posting from which the quote above was taken. Data (something the Duggars don't bother worrying their pretty little heads about) does not support the theory that birth control pills cause miscarriage. That is just one more way the Duggar types like to feel all holier-than-thou. Talk about 'tilting at windmills'.... (but then I doubt Don Quixote is on the Duggar/Gothard Approved Reading List.)

Betty said...

I think the doctor the Duggars reference about the pill and miscarriage is Dr Ed Wheat.

What information we have today could possibly be different from what was known twenty years ago.

tulip said...

"What information we have today could possibly be different from what was known twenty years ago."

Exactly the reason Michelle should leave the subject of "The Pill" alone already. She was on it back in the 80s, and, if she wants to comment on it related to her personal change of heart back then so be it, but lately with all their political involvement, etc., it's like she's instructing women about it and making Christian women feel like it's not something they should be on, and if they are taking it, making them feel guilty. IMO that's the issue so many are fed up with concerning her talking about the pill. She says that FOR HER, she was convicted to not use birth control/the pill, but the attitude sure seems like it's gotten holier than thou to me. The fact that she continues to use the same old "For our family, we decided..., or "For us, we think it pleases God to..." makes it sound all that much more judgemental.

Stephanie said...

That's funny, I saw Jackson throw food when the interviewer said that. He did it like it was right on que didn't he?

Stephanie said...

That dog and pony show they both say word for word on why they don't us birth control also includes they part where they say something to the effect of "we read the bible and God says that children are a blessing from God so we prayed blah blah blah" and they are "rewarded" with children. I just don't believe God does it that way. God doesn't punish evil or reward good. He does His will and we don't know why. I am guilty of wondering why gave me and my husband a son with down syndrome. We did everything "right". I have questioned it more than my husband but it has been a heartbreaking life curve that I will never understand until I reach heaven. According to Duggar logic, am I being punished ?

londonbridges said...

As far as JimBob and Michelle are concerned, the indisputable fact is that the BC pills caused her first miscarriage. Many disagree with this so-called logic, and I am one of them. However, it is their choice. It really irks me when judgments are given by the Duggars, with regard to 'letting God decide the number of blessings' doctrine. What each one of us chooses is our right, and therefore judgment should have no place. But we know that the Duggars take great pride in teaching us the only right way to live our lives. Whether it is stated in that awful baby-like voice, or boomed from a mic, judgment calls are made from the Duggars.

I am not encouraged by their lives, and have decided I have better ways to spend my time than watching their dog and pony show. JMHO.

Alberta Rose said...

That dog and pony show they both say word for word on why they don't us birth control also includes they part where they say something to the effect of "we read the bible and God says that children are a blessing from God so we prayed blah blah blah" and they are "rewarded" with children. I just don't believe God does it that way. God doesn't punish evil or reward good. He does His will and we don't know why. I am guilty of wondering why gave me and my husband a son with down syndrome. We did everything "right". I have questioned it more than my husband but it has been a heartbreaking life curve that I will never understand until I reach heaven. According to Duggar logic, am I being punished ?

According to the Bible, God does punish evil acts and reward good acts. I recently took part in a 40 day prayer vigil. My way of praying was to read from a book that had various Bible verses for various topics. After five 30 minutes sessions, I realized how right the Duggars are.

As for children being a reward or punishment, my husband wanted a girl, born 10 days past her due date because it would mean the first female since 1935 and a Canada Day baby. What he got was a son who arrived three weeks early and by ten days old was definitely showing signs of being different. My husband always looks at his son as a blessing, despite the cost of medication, the eating and lifestyle changes and having to parent differently then he was parented.

Every child regardless of physical, mental or emotional disability is a blessing to someone. I see it in my church with the family who have two children, one with cerebal palsy, one without. It takes a leap of faith to raise a child with cerebal palsy. It takes an even bigger leap of faith to choose to have a second child. If someone views a child with Down's Syndrome or a mental disorder that is hard to classify as a punishment from God, they should listen to Michelle Duggar, who says all children are a blessing from God.

Devil's Advocate said...

I flat out asked my doctor after having my last child about the pill and causing miscarriage. She told me that, as some of you point out, ONE of the ways in which it works is that it can make the lining of the uterus too thin to support implantation - and I also saw this repeated on some of the common birth control literature available online... you know the stuff that comes in the packet when you get the perscription. My doctor didn't tell me that 20 years ago, this was just about 18 months ago. I'm sorry, but if you are one of those folks who believes that life begins the moment sperm and egg meet, then taking something that might cause your uterus to be too thin to support a fertilized egg could definitely cause some internal conflict and give you reason to think about taking the pill as your form of birth control. I know it did me... And 99% effective still leaves 1% chance. Just saying...

Michigander1969 said...

Back in 1989, I had gotten pregnant just a couple weeks after stopping the pill. I miscarried and was told by the OB/GYN it was because I had gotten pregnant so quickly after stopping the pill. He said the hormone levels need a month or two to get back to normal.

The pill has changed greatly in 20+ years and studies have shown that is not the case anymore so the Duggars really are giving old information that is outdated and inaccurate!

No name said...

I have an open mind on the Duggars having been told the pill caused the miscarriage. I got pregnant decades ago while taking the pill properly and then miscarried. I was told by a non-religious doctor that the pill caused the miscarriage. I didn't see it as a reason to go Quiverful, however, or to see some grand celestial plan in it.

sandi said...

Yes the Pill has changed greatly since Michelle was taking it;now there are very low dose pills and even so,I've seen nothing stating it will stop an already developing fetus or embryo.It says quite the contrary.
As far as Dr Wheat,yes he was the one who wrote the CD that Jim Bob gave to Josh before his wedding night;I haven't seen any ref. to him being the nameless Dr. who told Michelle the pill caused her miscarriage though.

Alberta Rose said...

The pill has changed greatly in 20+ years and studies have shown that is not the case anymore so the Duggars really are giving old information that is outdated and inaccurate!

So are doctors. Not all doctors make the effort to be up-to-date or go by the latest research. Birth control pills can cause weight gain and depression in some women, yet many doctors like to downplay it. I can understand in 1985 a doctor not bothering to ask a 17 year old about any family history of mental illness, I can sort of understand in 1994 a doctor not bothering to ask a 26 year old if the last time she was on birth control pills, did she have any problems with depression but in 2006 when a 38 year old woman tells the doctor there is a family history of mental illness, as well as experiencing depression the last two times she was on The Pill and is there some other alternative then birth control pills or a hysterectomy to control fibroids, I can't fault Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar for going with 20 year old information. If professionals have no qualms about spin doctoring things or denying things, we can't expect lay people to be any better.

Michigander1969 said...

Just a few things (as a Christian) that I think are principles that help decide the size of the family.....

Luke 14:28-31 - Before doing something, count the cost. Can we handle more children (financially and emotional)?

How about Noah's sons? They didn't have children when they were in the midst of building the ark. They were acceptable to God but yet their main objective was not having children.

What about the apostles? There isn't much talk in the scriptures about their children. If that was a primary goal for a Christian, wouldn't that have been highlighted? Yet, they were very acceptable to God.

How about Matthew 24:19? Woe to pregnant woman or one suckling a baby at the end.

Mark and Luke both recorded that quote, too.

Just some things in my opinion that show there may be another Christian view of family size.

londonbridges said...

I believe children are a blessing, as well. Never have I said otherwise. However, I believe as some others here do, that there are considerations to be made with regard to the health of the mother (we know Michelle was very ill with Josie's birth), finances, etc. Because JimBob and Michelle made the decision to leave it up to God to determine the number of blessings, doesn't mean it is the right decision for all of us. We do have free choice in this life IMHO, and shouldn't feel quilty about those choices.

Doctors have different opionions about the BC pill causing miscarriages. They don't seem to be able to agree either. JMHO.

Seriously? said...

"Just some things in my opinion that show there may be another Christian view of family size."

Agreed. Also, not everyone agrees that Christianity (and/or its bible) have the corner on the ethics market.

re: another previous point, it is very off-putting that the constantly wave their 'blessed by god' flag, AS IF they are somehow more favored by god than other couples who so wish to have children yet are unable to conceive.

Measuring one's 'blessedness' by the # of conceptions is way off the morality mark IMO.

Vera said...

I believe that the Duggars began with the purest of intentions but then got sucked in by the fortune and fame. They have turned into just the people that they judge those not like them to be. Kind of ironic in a pathetic way really.

Jim Bob should be ashamed of Duggar time and expecting others to make concessions to them because of who they are and the size of their family (which is THEIR choice). I will say again that I thought Duggar time biting them when they were waiting to let the family know about Jubilee was sad but what they get. Children learn by example and that is the example that has been set for them.

Michelle should be ashamed for birthing baby after baby and then expecting her older daughters to raise them. She should also be ashamed for denying her children the normal teenage years she had.

I have a feeling they are going to be doing some tough reaping of what they have sown...and the ones who will truly suffer are their "blessings." Some example of a Godly life...

Seriously? said...

Since some data suggests that as much as 2/3 of fertilized ova fail to successfully implant, on what basis can the Duggars possibly base their absolute certainty that birth control pills CAUSED her miscarriage?

Ms. Duggar miscarried recently while not on contraception, so it should be obvious to even Michelle Duggar that the Duggar birth-control-was-the-cause-of-her-earlier-miscarriage logic is simplistic at best.

Here's one for Duggar logic to grapple with: if god opens wombs and causes or allows conception, WHY, then, does such a high % of conception fail to even implant in even women who do not use contraception and WANT to become pregnant? Seems a mighty inefficient plan IMO...

sandi said...

Re: WHY, then, does such a high % of conception fail to even implant in even women who do not use contraception and WANT to become pregnant? Seems a mighty inefficient plan IMO...
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and of those 1/3 that do make it to implantation,approx. 25% end in miscarriage.It's amazing there are 7 billion ppl on the planet now,and no,I don't think they would all fit nicely in the city of jacksonville,fl.

Michigander1969 said...

>>>>>>>>>Also, not everyone agrees that Christianity (and/or its bible) have the corner on the ethics market.>>>>>>>>

I was only saying as another Christian this is how I look at it. I only mentioned Christian because the Duggars are claiming that as Christians, the Lord is telling them to have as many children as possible. As a Christian, I don't feel bible principles and examples bear that out.

Sorry if it came across as judgmental. I didn't mean for it to!

Alberta Rose said...

I'm not offended by someone who regards children as a blessing nor do I think I am less blessed by having one child. Children are a blessing from the Lord, whether you have nieces and nephews, one birth child, many birth children, you're a foster parent, you have some adopted children or do volunteer work with children. blessing. My husband thanks God for the gift of our son. I thank God for the blessing of our son. I don't think any less of my husband because he doesn't regard our son as a blessing nor do I think any less of people who don't agree children are a blessing. Some loving parents think the blessing is their jobs, the children are the outcome of married sex.

tulip said...

Supposedly there is talk of Peter Query, son from The Duggars close family friends The Querys, is courting one of the girls. Anyone heard about this? A pic on Anna's Instagram a few weeks back shows Jana driving the bus, and Peter left a comment.

Seriously? said...

"Just a few things (as a Christian) that I think are principles that help decide the size of the family....."

For whatever it's worth, I didn't find the comment judgemental at all.

I just take umbrage at the Duggars' apparent need to believe being Christian and knowing the bible is the only way to morality.

While I wouldn't choose the word, "blessing", I fully agree that children are one of Life's best gifts. What I rankle at is the Duggar attitude that their own fecundity is God's way to show favor. Seems mighty arrogant to me.

And speaking of fertility, per Duggar logic, if birth control 'causes' miscarriage because it disrupts uterine structure and ability to implant, then what about such markedly increased maternal age, i.e. Michelle and Kelly? Midlife not ONLY brings a decreased uterine ability to maintain a pregnancy, it ALSO carries with it a huge increase in babies born with serious problems due to ova, which are WAY past their shelf life.

How does it make any sense that birth control is disallowed on the basis of its effect on uterine walls, but middle aged continued unprotected marital sex is not only permitted but encouraged?

Just seems a very strange view of a god IMO.

Seriously? said...

"Supposedly there is talk of Peter Query, son from The Duggars close family friends The Querys, is courting one of the girls."

It would be a irony on a whole new level for a Duggar girl to marry into that family and have to carry that particular moniker.

Maybe god DOES have a sense of humor!

Alberta Rose said...

How does it make any sense that birth control is disallowed on the basis of its effect on uterine walls, but middle aged continued unprotected marital sex is not only permitted but encouraged?

Just seems a very strange view of a god IMO.

None of the books I've read about Perimenopause dtell women they have to go on birth control pills, get a diaphragm or use a condom. A friend of mine and my SIL's who had seven children, miscarried twins and delivered their eight baby early due to being Perimenopausal wasn't told they needed to undergo surgery or start using birth control.

The logic is that if a woman hasn't been using birth control before Perimenopause, she shouldn't need to start using it because she has become Perimenopausal. Then again, I might have a different viewpoint due to hanging out with women who regardless of whether atheist, wiccan, Christian, agnostic or just coasting, all believe their bodies will take care of the result of sex.

sandi said...

Re: all believe their bodies will take care of the result of sex.
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The result of sex is much more likely to be a miscarriage in mid-life,though.I think that's what the poster meant;that Michelle (and others of like mind),don't agree with using birth control like the pill,yet have no problem with getting pregnant at an advanced age,which can be likely detrimental and can cause a misscarriage,just as they think using the pill does.

Beth Anne said...

Seriously? said...

"Supposedly there is talk of Peter Query, son from The Duggars close family friends The Querys, is courting one of the girls."

I think this question has been asked before, but do any ATI-trained Gothardite girls ever say "no" to a courting request? Do any "courting" couples ever break up, or are the girls expected to simply play the obedient girlfriend/fiancee role until the marriage?

I used to watch the Duggars and feel guilty that I was not living as holy a life as they seemed to be, but the whole courtship thing got me thinking. At first, I thought how great it was to see such purity, but quite frankly Josh and Anna's hand-molestations were completely disturbing to me! I think a quick peck on the cheek or lips would have been much sweeter and more romantic than the constant hand rubbing - did they even have any skin left by the honeymoon? To me, that looked more sexually charged than a quick kiss would have looked!

And, they have to be chaperoned EVERYWHERE at ALL TIMES? If Josh couldn't be trusted to be alone with Anna without lust taking over, then that doesn't speak well to Jim Bob and Michelle's parenting skills, in terms of teaching self control and respect. We all want our kids to be safe, but they need time to build their own skill sets and confidence in different life areas!

tulip said...

"all believe their bodies will take care of the result of sex" Exactly. Ultimately, as a Christian, one would believe it's God's will no matter what. If a woman is on the pill, if God wants to create a life, He will. I have known 2 women who have gotten pregnant on the pill (one because she missed pills and it messed up the schedule, and another who took a medication that ended up counteracting it), and ended up having normal pregnancies delivering healthy babies! For The Duggars and Bates it's NOT about just going through life and seeing how many children are in God's will, it's about purposely trying to have as many children as possible. Condoms are not hormones, and will not cause a miscarriage. Natural Family Planning can be used in prayer-by ACTUALLY following the method, but if it's God's will for a new life, then it should be expected that will happen. I have a friend who's Catholic and has been practicing the method since getting married over 20 years ago and they have 4 children. Her youngest is 10, and she's now in perimenopause.

tulip said...

Re: Beth Anne's comment: I agree. Josh and Anna with the hand holding thing was gross. And at the wedding, it was scary watching him kiss Anna for the first time-he grabbed her face and went in for the kill! I've rarely seen open mouth kissing at a wedding, and if there was it just ended that way naturally and quickly. Because they never kissed before, it looked rather creepy-they should have just done a few longer pecks.

There supposedly have been a couple courtships with Josh and Jana that haven't worked out, although they must have been really short or just a rumor. Even Josh and Anna's seemed so formal, until the hand thing, which just seemed hormone crazed, compared to Zach Bates and Sarah, which seemed genuinely sweet. Still seems beyond weird they need Dad's permission to even explore a friendship/possible relationship with a guy at the age of 20,22,etc.

heavennoseven said...

Josh is taking a month of work. How does that show a good example of work Ethic. God, his interview jokes about conjured twins?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/mentionable/2012/04/13/mentionable-inaugural-broadcast--special-guest-josh-duggar?ie8c=0

He starts at the 31 min mark.

Hannah said...

I didn`t listen to the whole story, but how dare he compare Titanic to the terrible boat skinning last year. He says the rich people got off first? Uh, I think its anyone who was able to get out.

Seriously? said...

J"osh is taking a month off work"

But this presumes Josh ever DOES work. I've known alot of people who have run their own businesses and not a one of them has EVER had the amount of time off as the Duggars. Clearly the whole junker car lot is NOT Josh's main income, just as Jim Bob's is not real estate including the cell towers. The Duggars live on the TLC dime and to pretend they support their fams on their own small, privately owned businesses is BULLoney.

Stephanie said...

The kissing on your wedding day to me is like birthing on the toilet. You are suppose to be modest but your first kiss is a tongue kiss in church in front of your parents and pastor? Your first kiss should be private. I was married at church at 21 years old and even then I was embarassed to kiss my husband in front of our parents. It wasn't a first kiss of course. My first kiss was some boy at summer church camp in junior high school. It was awkward and nerve racking and I would never have wanted it to be witnessed by someone.

tulip said...

Why is Josh taking off a month of work? Is Anna on bedrest? Is he going to a weight loss camp? Trying to finish up a quickie poli-sci degree through College PLUS, or running for mayor of Springdale??

Hannah said...

If Anna is on bedrest, I think one the girls would move in to help. Since, he can`t cook and only "babysits".

MandySue said...

Found this article from another blog that I was reading.

It has a lot of information on Gothard and his followers.

http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/4094/%E2%80%9Ctaliban_dan%E2%80%99s%E2%80%9D_teacher%3A_inside_bill_gothard%E2%80%99s_authoritarian_subculture

Hannah said...

I feel bad for anyone who works for Josh. I mean they only get some much money on a sale. They can go weeks without making a sale and have no income. I now this how most car dealerships work, but most don`t have the boss jet of around the world for months at a time.


I don`t think someone who owned a real dealership would take of for months without at least weekly cheek-ins or daily calls to the assistant manager.


I wonder if the boy under John-David works at the dealership.

RJwife said...

I thought there was, or mabye it might be in the works for children under the age of 18 who act, or on Tv or Reality shows have to have some sort of account set up or checks written to them and get paid. Does anyone know more about this? I've seen it on the news and read about it, so if this is the case, wouldn't the Duggar children at least get some sort of set aside income when they are 18? If anyone knows more, I would be interested in knowing, thanks!

Sharla said...

There is no federal law. It's on a state by state basis. Perhaps you read about the proposals in Pennsylvania.

NY and CA both have laws.

Wampascat said...

I think you're referring to the Jackie Coogan law. He was the actor who played Uncle Festor on the Adams Family TV show. He had been an actor from the time he was a toddler back in Vaudeville days. His parents spent every penny he worked for. The law state that a certain amount must be placed in trust for the child. No one else can touch it. Reality TV does not fall under this realm because they are not child actors. The money goes to the family. The parents can do as they like, but the decent thing to do would be set a trust up for each child. Somehow, I don't think that will ever happen. I'm sure Jim Bob has something better in mind , maybe a new bulldozer or some such crap.

RJWife said...

Thanks for the info! It's is a shame in my option that the children (I think Grandma deserves a salary too! Especially since she does so much!) This way, if they ever do get out on there own, they have some money to start out on-it can be college, getting your first place set up, a car, etc. They are part of the main story in the show, I think they deserve a fair share! I'm sure Josh and Anna have there own contracts now, I wonder if the rest who are over 18 do? Or is it just all put in one pot?

ennvee said...

Josh and Anna are credited on shows in which they appear (they probably have to merit talking-heads, but I haven't looked that closely to figure out the connection), but there were shows in which they didn't get credit this past season.

With that in mind, I imagine TLC pays them for those episodes in which they appear (and probably get double for pregnancy announcements and triple for homebirths). I doubt they make anything close to what Jim Bob/Michelle make (and are squirreling away in the Duggar trust).

roddma said...

" Reality TV does not fall under this realm because they are not child actors. The money goes to the family."
True. The way I understand each family gets their own contract.

"That dog and pony show they both say word for word on why they don't us birth control also includes they part where they say something to the effect of "we read the bible and God says that children are a blessing from God so we prayed blah blah blah" and they are "rewarded" with children." Calling kids rewards or blessings is like slap in the face to infertile couples and those who know they want make good parents. Why would G-d reward certain people and not others? It is like saying they are less worthy. Obviously Michelle has never been through infertility. Yes we know losing Jubilee was rough but some will never be able to conceive. It is still painful.

tulip said...

Josh posted Instagram pics at Branson Showboat, himself looking more supersized then ever, and now wearing his shirt untucked and hanging like a smock. Evidently it looks like he & Anna were attempting to put forth a more healthful image-Josh posting pics of broccoli & an orange for a snack and a smaller sized plate for dinner, and Anna posting on her Instagram the Baby Bullet next to several containers of freshly made baby food. Guess that lasted a day, since Josh's next pics were a triple size ice cream cone (stating he supposedly ordered a small), and a giant plate of fattening food at the dinner theater.

Seriously? said...

"Calling kids rewards or blessings is like slap in the face to infertile couples and those who know they want make good parents. Why would G-d reward certain people and not others?"

AMEN! Thank you for stating this so succinctly. I've tried to make this very point several times, but you said it best.

You've heard of "Rebel Without a Cause"? Well, the Duggars are Arrogant Without a Cause".

ennvee said...

Latest instagram pics are scaring me. They're taping at the Younger Duggars, setting up the talking head area and, lord help us, Anna trowling up Josh with pancake makeup.

And will someone please tell her that the smokey eye is so 2009 only Kim Kardashian wears more foundation? Egads. I don't think I've worn that much makeup in my LIFE, let alone for one talking head segment.

Neither of them look healthy.

sandi said...

The dinner theaters generally have just one set menu they use,with the exception being a special request,like for a vegan dinner,which most do serve.Granted,I haven't ever been to the one Josh was at,just saying in general.

londonbridges said...

I totally agree with the comments about the Duggars being so blessed with all those children. IMHO, God doesn't reward certain people and not others. Some of those certain people just think that is the reality. While I have no personal knowledge regarding infertility, it must be so painful for people who deeply desire children to listen to the Duggar arrogance.

londonbridges said...

Sorry, I forgot to add this to my previous post. How does this encourage those dealing with infertility? To stand up at every opportunity and explain how God has blessed them again and again with children, must just twist the infertility knife a bit deeper. JMHO.

MandySue said...

I am one of those infertile people. IT is hard to listen how God blessed them with children. It's like I am less worthy, less deserving of God's blessings.

I too am bothered by people who weren't able to conceive then "prayed and had faith then we were able to conceive" Are my prayers not enough? Did I not have enough faith?

I have reconciled that I will never have children of my own but I fiercely love me nieces, nephews, and friend's children. A couple even call me Mommy. That is a blessing to me. I get to have fun with them: take then shopping, out to eat, to concerts then I take them home.

God blessed me with many children. I love them as much as I would my own. Because these children are not from my womb doesn't make me less of a woman or less blessed then someone who has been able to birth 19 children. IMO I am a better woman because I spend time with them and I can tell you things about each child in my life, specific things not just their ages.

I apologize, I know this is long and it's really not about the Duggars but I wanted to share my perspective on the subject.

tulip said...

Josh continues to pack on the pounds, and Anna continues to cake on the makeup. Oh, and please no one defend the heavy makeup because she's getting ready to go on camera-this is her normal everyday look. Is all the dark, black eyeliner and blush streaks Gothard approved?, or in the Gothard guidelines for how women should wear their makeup?

Too bad Josh didn't order the vegan plate at the dinner theater-he could've bragged how healthy he was eating, but I guess he figured the bowl of broccoli pic had it covered. Not to mention, the pic of Josiah with the Dorito taco looks to be yet another last-night fast food trip.

Elvira said...

For once the Duggars taught me something. I'd avoided knowledge of a Dorito taco until Josh posted one.

Rainbow68 said...

I don't think the Duggars even consider infertile couples when they talk about their "blessings". This was on display during a Q & A time during one of the shows where a woman asked about infertility. Michelle stumbled, not really knowing how to answer. I went through a season of infertility. Pain-filled time. The children you do have in your life obviously consider you a "blessing" in their life

Stephanie said...

I just looked at the instagram photo of Anna putting make up on Josh. In the campaign video they made the boys and Jessa especially needed make up. They had none on and they looked terrible. Blotchy and ruddy, I have never seen Jessa look so bad. So him wearing make up for interviews is the correct thing to do. However, Annas make up looks terrible. Too much eye make up. I am glad she is wearing make up I just wish she would go ahead and have it professionally done. Why doesn't TLC have a hair and make up person there for them? Even the little boys hair looks nasty with the hair gel gooped on. The long, country bumpkin, home permed hair is really played out on all the girls. As annoying as Amy is, her hair is modern and pretty and girly and by most standards Amy does have long hair.

tulip said...

Read an article about how amazing The Duggars are financially, talking about living debt free, buying used and save the difference, and Jim Bob's business savvy with the greatness of his real estate investments and blah, blah, blah...

The thing that so annoys me is how they keep acting like it's such a great feat with "19 kids"-if The Duggars aren't going to point it out, then the writers should take the responsibility to state that there are actually 5 ADULT kids (one of which is married with his own kids) and 4 teenagers. Not to mention, the older kids are the ones taking care of the younger ones, cooking, homeschooling, while Grandma is doing the laundry. All the while, Jim Bob & Michelle get to travel around for paid speaking engagements taking credit for the question, "How do you TAKE CARE of 19 KIDS"? Yes, that's a quote-And again, who needs the care, and who's actually doing it.

Wampascat said...

And it's easy to do it all debt free and have that lifestyle when someone else(TLC) is footing the bill. They haven't shown Jim Bob doing any actual work to provide for the family in quite some time. Oh, I guess his and Michelle's job is to be a good "example" to others. Gag.

Jen said...

Whether or not you believe in creation or evolution the concept is basic: have sex, make baby
plant seed, grow flower
I understand people struggle with infertility and to make someone feel as though they are not "blessed" enough is ludicrious.
Do they not realize they are no different than most that reporoduce in only that the rest of us you know, control it? I chose not to be pregnant every year and do not feel any less blessed because of it.

Seriously? said...

Today's msnbc has an interesting article about alleged IQ numbers for various celebs.

It'd be fun to see the Duggars' IQs. Oh, but wait. In Duggarville/Gothardland we don't worry about science or data.

Based on all we've seen and heard from them, if ever tested, am guessing the Duggars' IQ would be in the 25 wattage range.

No one with any real brain power could possibly be content with the ATI scholastic program.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "It'd be fun to see the Duggars' IQs"....I hate to stir up controversy, but there is scientific evidence of a relationship between family size and IQ - in other words, in a family with a boatload of kids, the kids' IQs tend to be lower the more kids there are. I know there are tons of intelligent people out there who came from large, large families, but there is a trend toward more kids=increasingly lower IQs. This may be due to the lack of one-on-one interaction and focused nurturing of each child's gifts and talents. My hope is that each Duggar child finds their unique God-given talents and is encouraged by SOMEONE to use them!

Hannah said...

Anna had her sister and her new husband over for dinner(pics on Josh instargam) and poor Mack is sitting against the wall with no one sitting next to her.

roddma said...

"AMEN! Thank you for stating this so succinctly. I've tried to make this very point several times, but you said it best." I never heard of children being referred to as blessings. I am in my early 40's and grew up in the bible Belt as weekly. Maybe I missed something or did it just start with Quiverfull? The way the Duggars and their on about kid being blessings just rubs me the wrong way.Every now and then you read about those who got inspired by them to throw away birth control. Kids are not reward trophies.

Miggy said...

Not sure about Josh's definition of a "date". Instagram picture of date night shows Anna, David, Priscilla, Grandma, Jason (?), Jim Bob and Michelle. I thought the whole point of dates after marriage was so the two of you had time alone with a tribe of kids. Nothing wrong with going out with just the adults - just strange to call it a date.

tulip said...

Re: Miggy's comment - LOL, I agree.
And, it seems all the "date nights" always involve going to restaurants that offer huge plates of artery clogging food. Hope David & Priscilla don't get into the habit, or they'll look just like Josh & Anna in a year.

Hannah said...

Josh is hard at work posting pictures of others painting the lot. I heard he asked fans not to call the lot. However, he has the numbers posted on his instargam.


Does anyone know what state David and Anna`s sister live in?

Penny said...

I think David and Pricilla will be living in Chicago-they work at Gothard headquaters. They just returned from a one month mission in Romania. Bet they are going to go with Josh and Anna and the Duggars to the homeschool conference in Texas and the Kellers will probably be there also. check out their website-David loves Pricilla

roddma said...

"Calling kids rewards or blessings is like slap in the face to infertile couples and those who know they want make good parents. Why would G-d reward certain people and not others?"
"AMEN! Thank you for stating this so succinctly. I've tried to make this very point several times, but you said it best.
'

Actualy the credit should go to ex Quiverfull bloggers I read.

ennvee said...

I'm now wondering how they're going to work around the fire suffered by the ALERT building on the ATI camp at Big Sandy? The conference is slated to start Tuesday; I imagine people are already on the road to get set up by Monday night.

Article here:

http://www.cbs19.tv/story/17628432/crews-responding-to-report-of-fire-at-alert-academy-in-big-sandy

imaamy said...

I just looked at the pics...in the dinner one at home with Anna's sis and bil, Mac is sitting next to Josh and not the wall. It looks like it but is an optical illusion. Josh is taking the pic. You can see his huge plate of meatballs or whatever waiting til he sits down:)

tulip said...

The article now saying "wiring" was the probable cause of the fire.

Probably a DIY project going on without permits. I can see Jim Bob & Josh looking forward to this as material for the episode, and more bragging about being able to volunteer and teach their kids about service, helping with the clean up and repair work.

Guess Josh & Anna are going to the conference as well? Must be one of the reasons he's taking off work for a month, oh, and also so he can go on date nights while his "helpers" (as he stated) are doing all the work painting the carlot building.

tulip said...

2 more comments about the date night pic-Josh taking credit for taking his wife out, however, I think they probably all went out for Jason's bday, which was Saturday, and that's why Grandma and everybody was there.
Secondly,(coincidence?)after several comments here about Anna wearing loose fitting shirts and jackets over shirts, there she is photographed at the table in a very tight pink shirt. Doubt it's Gothard-approved since it's so tight. Still can't really see her belly, but usually a pregnant belly isn't really pronounced when sitting, unless of course, it's near the end. (I still haven't totally given up on thinking Anna's is in fact pregnant.)

ennvee said...

Could just be really tight over the region that busts out all over, so to epeak. :D

Even the picture at home was inconclusive; Anna had herself turned just enough and was sitting on her feet - can't see any legs under the table - so that it's really hard to tell.

If this was indeed just a food baby, hopefully Anna has learned a thing (or 10) about how to eat while on the road. Hint: Not like your husband, whose gluttony is amazing to behold.

The only other people I know who take pictures of food are typically food bloggers who are either cooking or reviewing a restaurant. Nary a plate of whatever that "Italian" food was, or Dorito tacos (are you kidding me?) to be seen.

Gothard really puts the pressure on women to remain attractive to their husbands; any faults the husband may encounter (and I guess that means a wandering eye or actual affairs) are ALWAYS the wife's fault and obviously the first place a woman becomes insecure is in her appearance. Keeping attractive is very big in the culture; I've seen very few Gothardite women, even those with 10-plus kids who have "let themselves go." Most look like Michelle or Kelly Bates, which ain't shabby for having so many kids. And obviously their husbands are still attracted. *shudder*

Anna's not even 24 and I think fame has gone to her head a bit, but hopefully looking at herself and being constantly questioned on whether she is pregnant over the last few months helps wake her up and get her old body back if she's indeed not pregnant.

However, I still think she's looking a bit busty and like the previous poster, think they still may well be hiding something. For ratings, I guess.

Maybe Not said...

Anna might appear busty if she's still breastfeeding Michael - which I'm betting she is given the fact that she was still nursing Mackynzie when she got pregnant with Michael.

ennvee said...

Anna gave no indication of when she stopped b/f Mackynzie and Mike has been seen eating solids (baby bullet out for all to see) as well as from the bottle. IOW, no way to tell for sure.

Maybe Not said...

I distinctly remember an episode early on in her pregnancy with Michael where she talked about breastfeeding not going well with Mack now that she was pregnant with Michael and Mack not liking the bottle. Seems to indicate she WAS breastfeeding when she got pregnant.

Maybe Not said...

Just found it - Duggars Rock the Vote is the episode where Anna says they are supplementing Mack w/bottles because nursing isn't going well due to pregnancy.

tulip said...

Looking back on it now since it was mentioned, I find it strange Anna would think Mackynzie would need to be "supplemented" with a bottle. They found out they were expecting Michael on Mack's 1st birthday, and there are moms that continue to breastfeed their babies past the first birthday, but at that point, there doesn't need to be any supplementing-they should be getting their nourishment from eating food. In other words, breastmilk after the age of one is considered "extra" nourishment as opposed to "needed" nourishment. She makes it sound like a big deal nursing wasn't going well at that point, and needed to do something about it. Mack was over a year old.

Hannah said...

This person lives next to the duggars and has all the inside scoop.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/sr9bh/ama_i_live_right_down_the_street_from_the_duggars/

Been there done that said...

I wouldn't characterize that as all the inside scoop. Nothing really new there that I saw when this came out.

tulip said...

Who do the neighbors think they are? Their info. was extremely lame, and anything that was talked about could have easily been looked up online, or better yet, already common knowledge just from watching the show! Not to mention, a lot of it was inaccurate, or was commented that they weren't sure and were just guessing. The only thing that could be remotely interesting was the comment about The Duggar's house being registered as a church, so they don't pay property taxes, however, I remember reading a discussion about that on this blog awhile back-did anyone know if this actually was the case or just another Oprah rumor? Anyway, the only other things were the boys are always playing outside and are kind of wild, after supposedly having been inside the house one time, it felt like a warehouse, and they don't have much landscaping. Wow, real interesting,....

Sharla said...

For the record, the Duggars' house is not nor could it be registered as a church. They pay property taxes on it just like everyone else. The property tax records are public information and anyone can see what they pay.

Jen said...

I spied this video I had not seen before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz28cEZtMZI

Somethings that stood out to me.

Gate on Spiral staircase.

Stated they do not keep soda in the soda machine.

Michelle said the girls help mow the grass as they like to use the ride lawn mower.

I think it was the post it note schedule that was on the wall in Michelle and Jim Bob's bedroom.

Stated babies normally move out of the nursery nook around a year and 1/2. Josie was to stay longer because of her size at least until 2ish.

Boy bedrooms about 1,000 square feet with two bathrooms

Girls room about $1,000 square feet with two bathrooms also.

Photographs on the girl's bedroom walls.

Hannah said...

I am a bit surprised the people with the "house kits" didn`t want the bad ones back.


I think the girls might of wanted to all live together back when they were 5 and much younger.

I think Josie was out the room before 2.

Kelly said...

For me, IMO, Josh Duggar is a direct representation of Michelle and Jim Bobble's (Bob) parenting skills. He is self-absorbed, iggnorant, arrogant, fame-seeking with an enormous amount of self-importance willing to do anything to keep the TLC $$$ coming in, that is exactly what his parents have tought him. Greed, sloth, pride, and gluttony seem to describe Jim Bob, Michelle and Josh well.

However, IMO, the younger children, Josie, Jordyn, etc.. are a reflection of Jana, Jill, etc.. parenting skills as they are raising the younger siblings. It is no wonder the youngest kids have inadequate social skills, problems with speech and development issues. The older girls are under-educated (I'll give them some credit) who are taught that a women's purpose in life it to stay bearfoot and pregnant, cooking, cleaning and catering to the men. Respressive!!

Michelle only cares about having babies, not children because it is clear is not interested in being a mother once they reach the age of 6 months. She is cold, distant, irresponsible and IMO, has some form of psychological issues going on with her obsession to being pregnant. They can scream from the mountain tops that they are Christians, but that only matters if you act like one. They are a role-model for exactly want I wouldn't want my family to be. Everything they have is because TLC has given it to them, not due to hardwork. I believe that their true colors are now coming through.

One last thing and I will end, but the fact that they worry so much about "Lustful" thoughts is concerning. If they have worked so hard to raise their children to not have these types of "immoral" desires and to only have pure thoughts, behave in a righteous manner, why do they worry that if their children are let out of the compound they instantly will sin. Doesn't say much for themselves and their awesome parenting skills (sarcasm). IMO, they have clearly be satisfying their own sexual desires creating all those babies.

Please, they need to go away.

tulip said...

Josh has plenty of money when it comes to showing off HIMSELF, but then whines on the very TV show that pays him and his family the big bucks that the carlot is slow and money is tight. Fast forward a couple weeks, and he's bragging about new lenses he got for his iphone, not to mention all the cash blown going out to restaurants for every meal, ordering huge plates of food and steaks.

What's even worse was when he bragged with Instagram pics of the gifts he showered his wife with, when in reality, he was proving himself to be the ultimate cheapskate...posting the Coach purse he bought for Anna, at the Coach outlet, a fabric version of a hideous hot pink color just screaming clearance rack. And the Valentine's Day presentation was utterly laughable, obvious to all every last item was a Walmart special. You mean to tell me he couldn't even spring for a florist delivery of a surprise bouquet? Guess he "saved the difference" with the standard bunch of roses held together with a rubberband and wrapped in plastic. Oh, and of course the dollar mylar balloons, frosted cookies in a plastic box and a teddy bear from the bargain bin. Gifts much more fitting for his 2 year old daughter, yet Anna fawned all over them with endless praise of what an amazing hubby Josh is.

Kelly said...

Josh is a piece of work. Sadly enough, IMO, Anna was all too happy to enter the spotlight by marrying him. She is soaking up all the attention and does all she can to promote her growing family to take over the TLC dynasty. Anna took the class on how to make her husband happy and she is so eager to please the Duggar family, she will go to any lenghts for her husband's fame. They just keep feeding the machine, literally.