Free Discussion, February, 2018

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127 comments:

Heart in Florida said...

Whatever a parent does to wrongly discipline their own child, should be done to them. I highly doubt that these Pearl people had those things done to them. I feel for any child or children who have had or is having that type of 'discipline' done to them. Children are helpless in our society for the most part and if Jesus didn't do that, neither should they.

Willow said...

TLC has had to eliminate Josh and Derick from the show. Now they may have to eliminate Austin if he can't successfully distance himself from his parents on this issue. I think Austin's brother-in-law has already defended the Pearls. Hopefully, Austin will denounce this, but I don't see how he can go against his parents publically. This publicity is going to limit, in my opinion, Fort Rock Camp from expanding beyond the very basic fundamentalist circles. The additional publicity they have been getting from TLC exposure is going to backfire I'm afraid. The Pearls philosophy is disgusting, non-biblical, and should be illegal, IMO.

Bridgitte Waldrop said...

I just saw a picture of the Pearls. Goodness, they look a bit like hillbillies! Really, what is the matter with these Gothardites?

laura said...

No word yet on whether Josiah and joe filled out the pre-marriage questionnaires.
Derick looking normal again, thank goodness, in the picture outside with jinger and Jill in jeans with dresses on and John David.
I remember somewhere in the last year or so Jana was giving an interview amd she said she couldn't go with the married couples because she 'is not part of that group'
But John David was there with the married couples.
Simply breaks my heart that poor Jana must remain behind because she is unmarried and a female.
If its all about family why is there discrimination about hanging out with your own sisters because of marital status??
Who'd want to hang out with derick anyways for fun. He reads the Bible to an infant for crying out loud.
She can't just up and go to the movies or a concert or to the bookstore.
It MUST be laundry chores babysitting cooking packing for 20 people and absolutely nothing else.
She seems beaten down. Listless. Hopeless.
She said 'everytime she is feeling down she looks for ways to serve others'
That is how indoctrinated and brainwashed she is.
She cannot have her own time, dreams, space or privacy. She is almost 30. Will this ever change? Would she know how to think for herself? Hope, dream, live if given the chance?
I don't know....

Aimee said...

I think it's been quiet from Jessa because she probably is experiencing some growing pains. I mean Jill flew off to CA and has had adventures there and now is back in the states, wearing jeans, and meeting lots of new (real!) people with Derick's campus job. Jinger has been in Texas over a year now traveling, attending seminars, and dressing however she likes. Jessa on the other hand is basically living Anna's old life - same house, one baby after another, close to JB/Michelle, and she has obviously been the driving force for "Counting On" I think she probably wants the freedom her sisters have but also knows the whole thing that made their family famous was the long hair, skirts, and crazy belief system. Can they/will they be popular without that? Can she break free from her parents? I am anxious to hear if the new season of Counting On includes any of the changes Jill/Jinger have made or if it's all carefully edited out.

Andrea said...

Aimee said: "Jessa on the other hand is basically living Anna's old life - same house, one baby after another,"

Oh my gosh. You're right! I never thought about it like that. It actually makes me feel badly for the cold fish who I Jessa Duggar. Yikes. I really hope she isn't pregnant and takes some time to enjoy the two she has.

So Sad said...

I must admit that although I try to be a kind & good person to my fellow man, if every time I felt down, I tried to find a way to "serve others," I would fail miserably. Jana is absolutely so indoctrinated & brainwashed by Jim Bob & Michelle, not even allowed out of the house with her married siblings. It's as if they are all saying "you're not good enough to be with us, you couldn't even find a husband or daddy couldn't find one that would take you." Jim Bob & Michelle should be charged with abuse & hauled off to jail. They are a disgrace to the word parent yet they are all over the world preaching about what a wonderful job they have done raising their children. Someday Jana is just going to break. Nobody can live their life in this way, especially a young woman who fears she will go to hell if she doesn't follow momma & daddy's rules. It just makes me sick.

Danette said...

Maybe not getting to socialize with the marrieds is Jana's punishment for not agreeing to marry any of the guys that Jim Bob dragged in. I always thought he probably tried to make her be the one to marry Derick but she refused. Jill was next in line and was glad to be in the spotlight.

nickle pickle said...

why would any church want these people to talk? seems people want to see them. This church does not seem like a church the duggars would attend? But I never been there. I would love to go and ask that women a few questions but they would probably throw me out? I just get it why people cannot see them for who they are. Hope they deeply repent because they are very confused on what the Bible truly says.

Mickey2942 said...

They "Cherry Pick" what the bible says, to twist it into their own belief system. A true biblical scholar interprets the meaning and context of the bible, in its entirety, rather than a few choice phrases about "obedience". That is the problem with these cults, they are so dogmatic about their beliefs, they do not want any actual discussion about interpretation.

Mickey2942 said...

A cult that follows the philosophy of an unmarried leader, (no longer), who has been accused of sexually harrassing young girls...what could possibly be wrong with these people?!

hilda said...

Seems like most "fans" have a soft spot in their heart for Jana's brainwashing. It's not possible for a normal person to understand how she remains obedient to the insane rules as she approaches 30 years old. She seems to live in fear of offending God and Jimbob and being sent to hell for having a thought or desire of her own. If it is true Jimbob was wanting to
give her to Derrick, she must be so grateful not to be doing a life sentence with him as Jill is .

Heart in Florida said...

My opinion as to why Jana isn't really allowed to go out socially with her married sisters is because the married ones may say something related to 'being married' which would tarnish Jana's pristine ears and mind. I really believe this. The physical comfort that the married daughters are permitted may also make Jana uncomfortable. Remember how uncomfortable she was when her idiot father kissed and dipped her mother in that small glass church? She actually told JB to stop it.

JeannieBean said...

That’s a good theory, Heart.
If the subject of sweet fellowshipping were to arise, poor Jana most certainly could not be exposed to any of that if JB wants to still sell her off as naive and pure.
I wondered if Jana wasn’t allowed to socialize with the young marrieds might be because in their warped ways, they might consider a single woman as a temptation to the sons-in-law. That goofy accountability thing again.

Willow said...

Heart and JeannieBean - I think you are both very accurate in your opinions about Jana. Isn't it sad? The Bates family also segregates the married couples at times. Just more weirdness IMO. Make sure the singles want to be married asap so they can be part of the "group" so to speak. I think Jana is a little afraid of marrying someone she wouldn't be happy with. Remember when she said in the interview after the Josh scandal, something about "You don't know who to really trust", I'm paraphrasing, but that was the idea. Plus, I also think there might be an element of JB wanting to do the choosing for her, just for ego, so he thinks he is always in charge. I hope Jana's married sisters tell her lots of stuff when they can. Maybe they have advised her of how to pick a good husband and to take her time. We'll never know but I do feel for Jana and John. In their world, at their age, its hard for them to fit in. At least that is how it looks to me.

Blue Sky said...

I was looking the duggars facebook page and noticed that the picture of the whole family at the top. Jana is in a short skirt which shows her knees. I thought they believe that showing knees defrauds young men minds or is that something that this board believes since they usually wear long skirts. Can't remember which it is.

colen said...

per "JeannieBean said...
I wondered if Jana wasn’t allowed to socialize with the young marrieds might be because in their warped ways, they might consider a single woman as a temptation to the sons-in-law. That goofy accountability thing again.

2/06/2018 6:54 PM "

JeannieBean,I agree. I know some married women who act weird around single women their age because they are convinced/afraid the single women want their husbands. It's really sad behavior, because not too many single women want a 'used' man. Ha-ha!

freida said...

Blue Sky, yes I see Jana looking very pretty with her knees showing but take a look at Joy.
What's she got covering her knees......looks like bandages but I guess it's short tights to cover them up.....and what in the world is Jill wearing? Looks like a huge grey blanket but I assume it's a horrible skirt.

Katie said...

Maybe Jana could join the married ones if a little accountability partner went along to watch & report to Jimbob on whatever he is afraid of happening. This is how stupid the rules are.

Time will tell said...

Way back, before the girls were ever courting dIdn't Jana say that there were a bunch of weirdos that contacted them wanting to court and Michelle got on to her?

At least she had sense.

Sunday said...

My take on Jana’s single status is that she secretly hates the show and the limelight. She is looking for a guy who will take her away from all that. Some normal man who values his family’s privacy. Someone who does not care what job bob says. She’s holding out for a chance of a normal life without a camera crew in her face.

LilBit0318 said...

Blue Sky...That's definitely what they believe as far as showing knees. I will never forget the episode of the show where Michelle water skiing in one of those ridiculous swim dresses, and they actually censored her knees when the wind blue the skirt up over them! Gimme a break!

Ellie On a Roll said...

And the baby watch begins for Joy and Austin. Let's everyone pray for a safe delivery in a licensed medical setting of a baby boy. And that Joy and Austin give him a decent name. Praying hard for Joy to make it through this ordeal safely.

Mikey said...

Am I weird since I don't see what's so attractive about knees? Why is seeing knees such a big forbidden turn on to the Gothardites? Same with sleeveless dresses!!

Bridgitte Waldrop said...

https://youtu.be/oQ1sjnm5y7M

KidFarm! Episode. 2:13 gives the "explanation" lololol

Hello said...

But I guess it was okay for the camera crew to see her knees since they work for TLC and the Duggars get a paycheck from them. Funny how they pick and choose their beliefs when there is money involved.

aketa said...

The cameramen saw more the knees when Anna was giving birth in front of the camera....but that's for $$$$ which over rides their modesty beliefs. Money then religion is the way they go.

roddma said...

Re: Jana breaking even if Jana breaks she wouldn't show it.As for married/singles, didn't Kelly tell was it Nathan he couldn't be part of the I Love You dinner because he didn't have a 'special friend' after he broke with Ashley? It seems like an awful thing to say.The poster in the January thread was spot on about the Bateses. They are no better.
SO Will JOhn David be part of the couple outing sin Texas?

Aimee said...

Sunday - I agree! I have always kind of thought Jana was waiting for the show to be over. I can't see her enjoying a whole season (because yes, I feel like they now measure the events of their lives into TV seasons) based on just her. I bet she'd like to just get to know somoene (with a 10 year old chaperone of course) without the tv. I know many were hard on Joy called her a brat for the way she behaved during her wedding planning but I think she just didn't want all of it. She probably would have been fine with a small, simple event but that doesn't make for "good tv" Jana has seen it over and over again with her sisters/brothers and knows how it will be if she courts/marries while the show is still on. The sad thing is Jim Bob and Michelle would never let her say "no" to having it all filmed. They would want ever $$$ that would bring in.

Mickey2942 said...

https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2018/02/jinger-duggar-shamed-by-fans-over-pregnancy/

The sadness is that the Duggar daughters have zero attention unless it is focused on their pregnancy, belly size...Duggar men too, get your wives pregnant!

Nothing else matters! Jobs, education, nothing else...just pregnancy! This is absolutely pathological.

lisa Mcginess said...

Anyone see that new picture of ginger, She is wearing a black sleeves shirt? Oh, boy wonder what Jim bod will be saying about that?

Just Saying said...

As far as Michelle's knees go, it seems to me that we have seen her knees many, many times before in her cheerleading outfit. I don't know why all of a sudden she needed to cover them. Oh I remember now, she was with Jim Bob when she as shown waterskiing & needed to have her knees blocked out. Other times she was with her friend Cindi, in her cheerleading outfit & at that time it was perfectly ok for her to show her knees. Too bad she didn't allow her daughters the same right. I could just see Joy being a cheerleader, if she had been allowed to take part in sports of some kind.

Just Saying said...

Since they are now showing the coming attractions for the next season of, "Counting ON", & everyone seems to be right on target regarding what will be shown. Repeats of wedding preparations, weddings, pregnancy announcements & on & on & still viewers tune in. I guess just in case something has happened that we haven't heard about, as if that's possible. I hope the numbers take a nose dive when the show returns. Anything that will be shown has either already been shown, or has been in a magazine, or on social media. Just how boring can this show get?

Aunt Bez said...

lisa...where is this photo of Jinger in the sleevless black shirt posted? Thanks

Ellie On a Roll said...

I feel the new promo photos are just "smoke and mirrors". Anybody that's following the Duggars knows there's a whole lot missing from that photo.

Just thinking said...

I think Jessa would have been the cheerleader. Joy looks like a softball player or any physical sports player to me. Jill is taller, so she might have enjoyed basketball or volleyball. I can see Jill being on the debate team or running for class council. Jana would have excelled in music/band. Jing may have tried all the above and enjoyed them all, except debate team. She is so easy going and would have had a multitude of friends from each group/activity.
Wonder if Michelle has any regrets not letting her kids go to school, even a private one? There are Christian schools who offer all those activities. I still can't understand why they aren't allowed to go to a private, Christian school. We all know they can afford it.

Where Do I Start said...

Seriously. What is with the Duggar clan allowing their children to sit, put on top of and walk bare footed ( stocking footed just as bad) on the kitchen cupboards? I just saw some photos of Anna and Turds's children doing just exactly that. Major ewwwww!

colen said...

per " Aunt Bez said...
lisa...where is this photo of Jinger in the sleevless black shirt posted? Thanks
2/10/2018 3:59 AM "
I don't know about a sleeveless black shirt, but here is a pic of Jinger in a black sleeveless dress.

https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial/posts/1086559194811062:0

laura said...

They can't go to school because they belong to a cult.
Giving freedom to their members is against the rules.
All the world but them and God and money is bad remember?

Ruby said...

I am becoming suspicious that little Sam may have some developmental delays. This fact alone is fine and makes me feel pity for the little guy except no one can forget how willfully ignorant Jill was about Zika and prenatal care if her own unborn child. So where are the pics if Sammy sitting up in his own? Supporting himself while standing while being held by a parent? Feeding himself Cheerios? Holding a cup? Instead we see him in strollers, flat on his back on the messy bed or being squeezed In someone’s arms. He has the look of a newborn. Hardly even have seen a real smile or heard a laugh. Or maybe Jilly Muffin is unaware of the stages of development and keeps her baby swaddled like an infant while she plays house.

Wednesday said...

Just a thought about Duggar marriage age. We've watched the marriage age of the Duggar girls decrease wedding after wedding, and there was a long period of time with no weddings after Josh. I almost even respected them for that. I wonder if Michelle and Jim Bob were trying to marry off the kids in order but Jana and John David threw off the timing so much that they had to start marrying the kids off.

I for one, am not excited about Joy being married and pregnant all in one year. She is still so young and clueless. I don't want to watch her be pregnant and be a mommy. It makes me sick to see. She was robbed of a lot of life getting married this young. To me she looks like a little girl trying to keep up with her older sisters. I realize that marrying you works for many people, but I am only speaking of the Duggars right now.

I wonder if the Duggars are trying to normalize young marriage? Other than Jana there is a large gap until the next girls come up, but how young will they be? By then Michelle and Jim Bob might be really finished being parents, since they seem to have been over this responsibility for the last 15 years or so.

Mickey2942 said...

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggars-valentine-s-day-153145

Interesting, you can listen to the Duggars talk about their 33 year long marriage...and how they choose mates for their children.

Anyone see the disconnect here? JB and Michelle Duggar met and dated normally, their children did not have the same opportunities. The Duggars have stolen so much from their children: school, work, privacy, medical care, normal lives...it is so much, and their children never had any choices. That is the problem.

Auggie said...

It seems to me that JB & Michelle aren't as involved in finding spouse's for the boys as they are for the girls. I don't, for a minute, think that Jana ever had the opportunity to turn anyone down. I'm sure when she has said that suitors 'weren't right' she was repeating JB's words. I believe that he has not found someone who was 'right' for Jana because he wants to keep her as the family slave. John David, who knows, maybe he's not ready to be a father of multiple kids.
I suspect that due to the ratings of the first Duggar daughter wedding & courtship....soon to be a wedding, JB was motivated to keep finding spouse's for his girls. Weddings & babies is the only thing keeping the show going.

Ellie On a Roll said...

I have to agree with Ruby's comments regarding Samuel being developmentally delayed. I recently saw a photo of Samuel smiling but other than that, I haven't seen any of him sitting up, rolling over, or really anything but laying on his back on a blanket.
At 7 months, he should be clapping, sticking his tongue out, laughing, sitting up with a pillow support. Very strange that we don't see any of these milestones.

Michelle (not Duggar) said...

To the posters talking about Amy adopting the Turpin children...of course that won't happen. But I think all of us feel a bit of "I wish I could help them". Someone suggested that she should have "her own" children first, and then revisit the idea of adoption. I can assure you that if you adopt, they ARE your "own children". But why do any Duggars even talk about adopting. It seems like it's all about being pregnant, seeing how many babies you can pop out, reveling in your fertility, etc.

aketa said...

Samuel's condition will quickly become more apparent in the coming months. Derrick & Jill have only themselves to blame if Zika is causing delays in their child. No one with a functioning brain goes to a Zika infested jungle area while pregnant and the country officials are actually telling women to protect from getting pregnant for a few years until the virus may get under control. This is a very selfish couple.

roddma said...

Di anyone catch the Bateses "I Love You day" theme-Growing Old Together". They use a cane and an oxygen tank as props. The cane is one thing, but oxygen tanks are no joke. Even a cane can be used for serious conditions. The theme is fine but not the props and many agree it is not empathetic.

Mickey2942 said...

I read that fundies often have a SAHD, Stay At Home Daughter, that helps with chores. Really, not a bad deal, but I agree, JB wanted to keep her home, she was not presented with anyone remotely suitable or attractive to her.

Diana said...

Roddma, YES! I saw the Bates dressed up as old people for "I Love You Day"! The theme was "Growing Old Together". When I saw them in grey wigs, glasses and walkers... Okay.. Then I saw the oxygen tanks! I was just flabbergasted! I'm on oxygen for COPD/Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. I was also disgusted that, in my opinion, they're making oxygen use a joke. Not too funny to people like me.

I see over and over how people get easily fooled by the Bates. While ANY family would come out on top when compared to the Duggars, the Bates are just as toxic! Just a few things to keep in mind - Gil Bates and Erin Bates father in-law Dr. Stephan Paine are on the Board of Directors for IBLP. they repeatedly ignored complaints of sexual misconduct and sexual assault according to that lawsuit and "Recovering Grace". If the Bates had their way, women would be treated as a child with their husbands and fathers making ALL their decisions, Women would have NO access to birth control, abortions would be forbidden for ANY reason, including rape and incest, Women would be discriminated in the workplace with men earning more than women. Women would be forced to only wear skirts or dresses. Our courts and public schools would be plastered with the 10 commandments and the lords prayer. Our country would be a Theocracy instead of Democracy. Education for women would be severely limited to obtaining education and certain skills, even then women would ONLY attend certain colleges or vocational schools where once again, skirts and dresses are MANDOTORY! and let's not forget Kelly Bates use of sister moms where Michelle actually comes out BETTER than Kelly! Sister moms were assigned to a new baby BEFORE it was even born in the Bates household! Yep! As a bonus, the sister mom was the only one to know the sex of the baby to come, even Gil and Kelly didn't know before birth. And unlike Michelle waiting until the baby was weaned at 6 months old, the sister moms work started at birth! Gil and Kelly have traveled "kid free" many, many times for years, leaving the older ones in charge just like Jim Bob and Michelle! Michaella Bates provided the bulk of the child care when the kids were little and Alyssa was the family cook. Also, when asked, Kelly couldn't even name all her kids in birth order. And let's not forget that the Bates have cameras throughout their house to spy on the kids! The Bates have learned from the Duggars what NOT to do! Don't forget the Bates having a portrait of the founder of the KKK on their wall with Kelly saying "I thought it was an old photo of a relative! Or when Gothard got the boot from IBLP/ATI for sexual abuse, Kelly erased the sign on a cake at Erin's wedding that said "Happy Birthday Bill Gothard " and changed it to "Grooms Cake". Forward was at Erin's wedding and it happened to be Gothards birthday. I'm so sorry this is so long, but it's too easy to overlook the REAL bates! That sweet, innocent Southern accent Kelly has sure goes a long ways! Gil and Kelly do give a little more slack to their kids, but please don't forget they can be just as evil and controlling as Jim Bob and Michelle! I'm thrilled that some of the grown, married Bates seem to be "fundie lite"! Hope that trend continues!

grandma Wagner said...

It's rude to mock people who need to use medical equipment such as the Bates did in their stupid "I love you day" geared to get publicity for their family. There are people who would give anything to be free of medical devices but need these things to survive. How about the wonderful Bates & Duggars spreading love in a giving way through visiting nursing homes in a caring not preaching way instead of mocking the older people.

HistorianMom said...

Samuel Dilliard does look like a much younger baby than seven months old, but he doesn't show signs of zika. Zika-affected babies have a much smaller head size than normal. If anything, Samuel's head looks a little large for his body, but that's not always a sign of a problem. Some babies just have big heads.

sandi said...

Diana,I agree,and I also wonder if women working outside the home at all,would be outlawed in a Bates Duggar world.I think I recall somewhere that fundies believe working women are the cause for unemployment...forget the economy...and that there would be enough jobs if women just stayed home

Heart in Florida said...

Diana, a great post. Remember Gil's comment on the show last week, where he stated that NONE of his daughters would have ever been on a triple date, or ANY DATE AT ALL if he didn't agree that they all 'had the right heart' to do the right thing. These daughters he's referring to are adult women, Josie, now 18, included. He has complete control over his children. They don't dare step one step out of line for fear of crossing him. These women are also just little girls who get to wear a wedding dress in playing dress up. These young men are marrying little girls and it shows...Erin especially IMO.

Willow said...

Diana, everything you say is absolutely true. They try to fool the public, but we (the public) know better. I will just add however, the Bates do go to nursing homes (at least they used to) and Lawson goes to childrens' hospitals a lot. Some of the Bates children also go on a lot of mission trips (they are brainwashed to think that they are helping people). The nicest thing I have seen them do, however, is go to Texas after the hurricane and help out there. I think they do it partly for the publicity, however, but I do think they care more about others than the Duggars do. Just a guess. I also think that the Bates parents (mostly Kelly) try to keep an iron grip on the married children as much as they can. They can't really tell them what to wear, etc., but I think they do pressure them to do certain things and attend certain events so that Kelly can still boss them around. Kelly is the BOSS of that whole clan and it is plain to see. While I am at it, lol, just let me say that I wish Kelly, Erin, Lawson and Carlin would occasionally give others a chance to be on camera. Just sayin. P.S. Has anyone here heard of what is happening with the lawsuit against the IBLP board members?

Linda said...

Zika has affects besides the visible brain-cephalic issue. Doctors have found that the disabilities are much more far ranging. Samuel could also easily have suffered oxygen deprivation during labor and delivery given Jill's reckless disregard for his safety in her attempted home VBAC.

Mickey2942 said...

But, it is all about the ratings! And staying true to the fundie line of home births, are better, and education, like doctors and nurses, are not as good as a midwife...although, Michelle seemed to ignore that line, plenty of doctors and hospital births for her.

lisa Mcginess said...

better keep a watch out Joy is going to be having that kid pretty soon? her due date is sometime in the next two weeks. anyone want to bet she will be having a home birth. probably see it as a special before the season ends.

Mickey2942 said...

I wonder how much of the Duggar trip to Australia we will see on the new show, "Counting On"...which is supposed to be about the Duggar children, older ones, I will bet we end up seeing quite a bit of Australia. After all, they really had to have something to film! No wedding, and Joy will give birth, wonderful gender reveal parties..yawn. No courting right now...

Evie said...

I feel terrified for young Joy if she is having that huge baby at home. Hopefully her husband will demand she get qualified, hospital care and pain relief from the beginning, not wait for something scary to happen and then, after many hours of painful labor, have an ambulance rush her to the hospital. Jill certainly cannot be trusted, after her botched up Samuel birth.

Emma said...

Lisa Mcginess: I feel so bad for Joy. When she 'graduated' from Duggar academy (smh) she seem so downcast when she said she would be staying at home to help momma with the little ones. She had no prospect of college or trade school, no new job or travelling to look forward to, she also seemed younger than her 18 years. Now at 19 she is married and about to have her first baby. As you say the birth will no doubt be a home birth with no pain relief, and a dodgy midwife and Jill, all filmed by TLC and lapped up by the fans. I really fear for her and the baby if something goes wrong, Joy is petite and her bump is huge, her sisters have all had bruisers, and she looks to be following suit. If Austin is the strong sensible young man they make him out to be he needs to get his young bride to a hospital for proper care and only let cameras in after the baby is born (if it was ok for TLC to do with the Roloffs its ok for counting on). Sadly I don't see this happening.

Molly said...

Do the Duggars watch the Olympics? I bet the little girls would love to watch the figure skating with the ladies in those sparkly costumes, and the boys watch the skiing and snowboarding (not being sexest in who watches what sports, just my girl and boy love watching those particular events).

What a shame if they can't even watch a piece of history on the TV.

LilBit0318 said...

Molly...Heaven forbid they should see the female figure skaters in their costumes! Knees and maybe even arms exposed! Form-fitting attire! OMG! NIKE!!! And the female snowboarders and such in pants! Perish the thought!

That family really is the most ridiculous brood I've ever come across.

Diana said...

I just want to comment about Joy and the impending birth of her first child. I do agree with most that Joy will likely opt for a home birth, however, I highly doubt Austin will permit Joy to be filmed all spread eagle with up close views of her private parts. Just not seeing that. One area I don't agree with other posters on is that Joys size has any correlation to the safe delivery of a larger baby in the 9 to 10 pound range. I'm only 4'11" tall and I delivered a 10 pounder! Same with 2 of my sisters. They're 4'11" and 5' tall. Their 4 babies were all in the 9 1/2 lb. range. And no c-sections, no diabetes! What I'm saying is that although the size of the mom to be CAN be a factor in a natural birth, it's by no means automatically an issue with a small statured mom carrying a larger baby. Anyways, here's hoping for a safe, hospital or bona-fide birth center with an obstetrician or a licensed/certified midwife in attendance. Oh, and an epidural if that's what Joy wants!

Bridgitte Waldrop said...

I wonder if hospital child services will get involved should they see multiple girls from this family be rushed to their emergency room via ambulance after having botched home births and then realize they have no record of prenatal care for then... Or maybe Tlc will pay them off (shudder).

Ellie On a Roll said...

Bridgette: here's the thing. These are adult women not girls. They are from different families/households once they're legally married off. It would be hard to prosecute or press charges on extended family members in this situation. Dillards are responsible for their family. Josh and Anna for theirs. Forsyth for their family. Vuluos for theirs. These are adults living in separate households. The only person or persons who could get in trouble would be the midwife.

Michelle said...

If any of the Duggar girls has a hospital birth, my money is on Jinger. I think Jeremy has sense enough to see that Jinger gets proper care. At least I hope he does.

I'm not sure on Joy. We will have to wait and see what she and Austin do as far as where she has the baby, but I pray she goes to the hospital. Maybe her MIL will encourage her to do so.

Linda said...

I think if any of the currently married Duggar daughters wants and gets an epidural it's going to be Jinger. There is nothing inherently illegal in not receiving pre-natal care. So far our country has also not outlawed stupidity so prosecuting anyone for an emergency in a home birth is difficult except for the rare case against a midwife.

colen said...

latest pic of Joy https://www.instagram.com/p/BfJk578BnOE/?utm_source=ig_embed

Looking at this pic, I don't Joy will have a big baby. I think it's just baby weight. Pregnancy has changed her face.

Andrea said...

I find it highly unlikely Austin would have pushed Joy to get prenatal care. What level of education does he have anyways?

Jinger's husband, Jeremy college graduate and former athlete. The guy would be use to being around medical professionals due to his former work. He would have been worked on by physiotherapist, chiropractors, message therapists, MD, etc. He's likely seen some pretty bad injuries as well so I suspect he'll want to protect his wife and get her top notch care.

But honestly, who knows but them? I noticed Serra Dominguez had a hospital birth and I would have thought she would have been all in for a home birth so who knows?

Mickey2942 said...

But the ratings! Must have drama of a home birth...where are your priorities?! Must continue to disdain education, and medical care. A midwife is better than a college educated doctor!

No, it is not against the law to be careless with your life, and baby. Stupid is as stupid does.

grandma Wagner said...

I see Michelle & Jimbob are supporting the camp where the Pearls will speak about training up a child with physical abuse. TLC needs to drop the Duggars, It is reported police reports confirm Michelle admitted to hitting the twin boys with a stick to keep them on the blanket so she could go about household duties in the olden days before Jana became the mother. There is a reason the Duggar children smile all the time, all have the same beaten down, dull personality with no thoughts of their own. It is also reported Dillard is possibly putting his boys in public school because he had some great teachers. Jill & Jinger are wearing pants, Jill has a nose stud....is it possible the Duggar rules are becoming weaker?

Mariam said...

Why couldn't Michelle put the twins in a playpen or gate off a safe area of the room for them to play in instead of hitting them back on the blanket? How sad that 2 children not old enough to walk watched each other be swatted like a fly. Mothers are supposed to rush to comfort a child when they are hurt, not cause a child pain. Promoting the camp where child abuse will be encouraged just shows that after reading all the posts over the years about the abusive ways of the Pearl's, the Duggars are not moved by the concern of others. Just look at Jill's little boy, the bruises he's had, the screaming while he was tightly bound and Jill proudly posted the pics of her son in terror.I hope Dillard is not putting his boys in a freezing pond to teach them a lesson as Pearl did. The joking about hitting with wooden spoons is also disturbing, knowing Izzy & son Sam will endure pain from parents. These people are the worst and it is about time TLC got rid of this show or it can be assumed TLC advocates the Pearl abuse too.

Tired said...

I just saw a story that Jessa has now worn pants for the first time....

Uh, no, here she is in 2015: https://www.inquisitr.com/1894301/jessa-duggars-newest-controversy-isnt-over-what-shes-saying-but-what-shes-wearing/

laura said...

Mariam, if memory serves me correct, to train up a child by Michael and Debi pearl was on the family blog as early as 2009 or 2010. I think the blog run by that mother daughter combo or something.
People who abuse their children truly do not believe they are doing anything wrong. They will never stop.
TLC has seemingly ignored many taboo or highly frowned upon issues concerning this family.
I think I figured TLC out. They WANT the shock factor. Think- my 5 wives, sister wives, honey boo boo, 90 day fiance, etc.
It's all fringe stuff.
TLC =Trainwrecks Love Crazy

Heart in Florida said...

I see that Michelle spoke about being such a busy mom and her days being filled with 'all that mother activity every day'. If she is so busy, how is it that she has the time to be traveling so much? A really busy mother who actually does the chores expected of her doesn't jet off to share a wedding anniversary that isn't HERS; flies to Australia and New Zealand, and speaks at various little churches around the country to share her secrets? I believe her advice to these other 'busy' mothers is to dump the majority of the responsibility and the actual work on the daughters. This is why she can travel around so much.

asian noodle said...

thinking of Josh and Anna? Both will be 30 t his year so they have at least 12 more years Anna could have children they could have at least 7 more kids? hope she stops now.

Emma said...

Heart in Florida: I saw her post on DFO plenty of people were saying that the older girls raised their siblings and criticising the buddie system where Michelle weaned one baby they handed it over to a sister mom to raise while she caught another blessing. No one can raise 20 kids doing all the cleaning cooking, home schooling and child 'training' while constantly pregnant and joyfully available. Her daughters raised her kids not her, end of story. Michelle should have had her lightbulb moment while she was crying having a breakdown over the laundry in the wee small hours of the morning, she had more kids than she could handle, Jimbob should have been booked in for the snip the next day!

Diana said...

Asian noodle I'm with you on hoping Anna stops having babies, but we know she won't stop. I do feel guilty for saying this, but, I kind of hope Jill can't have anymore babies. Due to past photos we've seen of Izzy swaddled when he was way past swaddling age, Jill, imo, would be the one to use blanket training as a means to control her kids. Also, Jill seems emotionally distant from her kids already! Notice in photos that it's all about her and Derick, the kids are just props. Let's just hope if she is able to have more kids that they're all boys! When it comes to Anna, at least she seems to be a mom that loves her kids,plus her kids are always clean and well groomed. Only problem with Anna having a boatload of babies can be summed up in one word - Josh. Enough said!

Alicia said...

It's possible Anna could have children until about 44 years which gives her the chance to pop out 12 or more blessings sent to her by God through that "wonderful husband" of hers. How will they support all these children by only running a small used car lot? Anna needs to have some multiple births to win the Duggar baby making contest that has Michelle in first place.

Susan said...

"Michelle should have had her lightbulb moment while she was crying having a breakdown over the laundry in the wee small hours of the morning, she had more kids than she could handle, Jimbob should have been booked in for the snip the next day!"
It's been a long time since this incident has been mentioned, but I think this was with 4 or 5 kids (baby Jill or Jessa). If she was having a meltdown way back then, each new pregnancy has compounded the issue. Any logical wife/mom would be able to see that she already had more kids than she could handle.

Heart in Florida said...

Emma, great post. I agree that Jim Bob was either blind or did not care that Michelle, his wife was overwhelmed in the laundry room with the number of children she already had. He was and IS an idiot for continuing to let HER decide how many children they would have. I thought HE was supposed to be the head of the family and that they let GOD decide those things, not Michelle. Perhaps God was trying to tell Jim Bob and Michelle something that early morning in the laundry room, but they weren't listening....and remained deaf to HIS will.

nana Gia said...

Heart in Florida.....interesting concept. The same goes for Jill & Dillweed......God gave them a brain to use to decide if going to Zika infested jungle was a good idea while carrying a "blessing". Also Anna and her parents could have used common God given sense to say no to a marriage proposal by a molester. You don't just slide along not taking charge of your life like you are a vegetable with God supposedly leading all details of everyone's life.

JeannieBean said...

I don’t for a minute believe that JB left the number of children up to Michelle. That was said for the cameras, the viewers, and to make JB look like the wonderful husband that they want him to appear to be. In my opinion from very early on, Michelle was brainwashed into the sick, misogynistic beliefs that as a woman her only use is to serve her husband by being joyfully available 24/7 and to serve her lord by producing as many offspring as possible. She’s been a broodmare for over half of her life and I can imagine that physically and mentally that must have had a profound affect on her. I’m not defending her here. I just think that the disconnect that she appears to display especially to her younger children is understandable. Much like a mother dog stuck in a puppy mill might feel after being forced to have litter after litter. Sooner or later that mother dog is going to break, withdraw and reject her offspring. All for JB’s massive ego. Just my opinion.

Andrea said...

JeannieBean said: "Sooner or later that mother dog is going to break, withdraw and reject her offspring. All for JB’s massive ego."

I'm not so sure about Jim Bob. He seems to love his grandchildren. I say this because recently there was a collection of photos released with him holding each of his grandkids. I honestly can hardly think of Michelle holding even one of her grandchildren. See Grandpa Jim Bob (aka Pops).

But I will agree, Jim Bob has a massive ego, but I think having so many children just feeds the ego. Michelle has a personality disorder but it's different from Jim Bob's. She had so many babies because she is addicted to the attention of being pregnant and the mother to young children and babies. Either way, they both have narcissistic personality disorder.

Andrea said...

Anonymous Alicia said: "It's possible Anna could have children until about 44 years which gives her the chance to pop out 12 or more blessings sent to her by God through that "wonderful husband" of hers."

I'm not so sure about that. She's been married for ten years and so far only has 5 kids at most I could see her having five more. Fertility drops off quiet dramatically after age 35.

Willow said...

Just to add to the conversation, I think JB really liked having all the kids lined up in a row with matching outfits as he thought it drew attention to him when he was running for political office. It may have been an after-thought, but I am pretty sure he was happy about it during those times. Then, years ago, when I read somewhere that JB's mom was calling around asking for free donations for the family, it made me think she kind of liked the attention also. I could be wrong, but I used to think about that. Maybe JB and Mary wanted the large family and put pressure on Michelle to go along with it. I just wonder sometimes. Its just so bizarre that Michelle would keep putting herself through all that on purpose. She is definitely an odd person, we just will probably never know the exact reasons.

Mickey2942 said...

That is just it, they don't let "God decide", they obsessively track fertility, and make sure to make sandwiches on those specific days. A normal couple, without birth control, can take a few months to get pregnant, this is with random joyfullness, not obsessing over the specific dates to optimize pregnancy.

Michelle is exceptionally fertile, or was, many nursing Mothers have a harder time getting pregnant, with a high level of hormones, that Michelle didn't seem to have.

I hope her children don't make a goal of all having 19 children, as TLC money won't last forever.

Andrea said...

"Maybe JB and Mary wanted the large family and put pressure on Michelle to go along with it."

What is up with Mary? Seriously, I think I read she went to college. I cannot find anything to support this statement. Certainly her husband did, see her husbands obituary here:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33774692/jim-lee-duggar

When does that happen? When does a Father go to college but not his son? Also note Jim Lee and Mary got married when he was 26, not 19 like Jim Bob. I cannot even being to imagine looking at 19 Grandchildren and thinking not a one of them is getting a quality education. JL and Mary must know / knew that Michelle is a ding bat and she not capable of teaching children, yet did nothing to assist her grandchild? I just don't get it.

Always said...

Re: Andrea's comment about Jim Bob seeming to love all his grandchildren, especially after recent photos. The key word there is "seems" to love his grandchildren. Jim Bob never misses an opportunity for a photo op. I remember when Michelle miscarried Jubilee. When they were telling the kids,Jim Bob went around kissing all the girls & younger boys & hugging the older boys. I never saw anything so fake in my life. The looks on those children's faces, as if they didn't know what was happening to them with Jim Bob actually showing them that kind of attention, kissing & hugging them. They were shocked to say the least. So I say again, Jim Bob will do anything for a photo opportunity & right now he needs the P.R. for the upcoming season of "Counting On."

Ellie On a Roll said...

Does anyone else not give a horses rear if Jessa or Jill are pregnant again? Jessa is full of tricks and games and it's getting really old. Hiding her stomach in photos, wearing dresses and tops that appear to be hiding a baby bump. Seriously, Jessa the gig is up and all you really are is an uneducated, fundy having another baby. Zzzzzzz.

sandi said...

Grandapa Duggar sounds like such a nice man.It's a shame Jim Bob always speaks so poorly of him.
I'm surprised Mary puts up with that.If it were my son,I'd put him in his place

sandi said...

Andrea,I think I recall Gpa Duggar was worried about his gkids,and about Michelle giving birth so many times,but his concerns fell on deaf ears.Jb,of course,did whatever he wanted to do

Sanity Please said...

Ellie on a Roll. Excellent comment on Jessa. You hit the nail on the head. All her, am I or aren't I pregnant? Just continue to watch the show for a long,long while & eventually you'll find out. Ridiculous!

Just Me said...

I remember Grandpa Duggar saying that no woman should put such stress on her body having baby after baby, especially so close together. He said she was not only taking a terrible chance with her life and possibly leaving her other children with no mother. Michelle said they disagreed on many, many things but she would follow the Lord's Will.

Mickey2942 said...

Well, whatever, it seems to me when these Duggar gals are pregnant, the tighter the top, the better, and cleavage is definitely bursting from the too small top.

If she is hiding the belly, and wearing frumpy dresses, I call "wannabe", perhaps she is though, but why not display the belly as prominently as possible? Breeding is the goal, must keep ratings up, with baby bellies, and dramatic home births, a miscarriage is an all out ratings extravaganza. Odd, big show for "Jubilee", silence when Anna had a miscarriage...

Just Me said...

Re:Mickey2942's comment on the silence when Anna had a miscarriage. I always thought that was strange too. If Anna hadn't mentioned it when she was visiting the women in the prison with her dad, who does the prison ministry, we never would have heard about it. At least I never heard anyone ever mention it anytime again.

Paper Trails said...

Will Jill always be at risk for Zika with any future pregnancies or is there a time limit regarding when it can be passed on to a fetus? I don't know much about Zika so was wondering about this.

lisa Mcginess said...

Joy had the nerve to say on her Amazon baby registry to please give gift cards and small items only because they only have a small house? Pretty greedy of her to say that meaning gives me money? sorry, i would be sending you anything. Also, guess she maybe going past due date since they said it is in two days?

secondhand-shoes said...

Regarding Anna's miscarriage - perhaps she had what is known as a chemical pregnancy - where the egg is fertilized and a home pregnancy test will show up as positive, but the egg doesn't implant, or fails to implant properly, and the woman gets a regular (or slightly heavier) period a few days later.

I am not a doctor, but I don't believe this is considered an actual, medical miscarriage. I am willing to be corrected by anyone with better medical knowledge.

(When I was newly pregnant with my son, I went to the ER for something unrelated and they gave me a pregnancy test (I already knew due to a home test) but they said my hormone numbers were so low they thought it was only a chemical pregnancy, and they told me I would probably get my period in a few days. Fortunately, they were incorrect, and my son was born perfectly healthy 9 months later.)

Emma said...

Derick has been up to no good on twitter again. He invited anyone from the LBGTQ community to join him and his family this sunday. Many were obviously very sceptical about his motives, and when asked if it was to belittle people and try to convert them he said no. Not too much later his motives were exposed when cross church advertised an event at their church (which took place last night) when they hosted a pray the gay away speaker called Rickey Chelette who runs a ministy 'supplying support and resources for leaving homosexuality'. It is also the first sunday for their new church branch, and as someone pointed out Derick as a student probably has an invite quota to fill. How horrible, unchristian and cruel can these people be? People struggle with their sexuality for years, some are shunned by their own families when they finally get the courage to come out, others take their own lives. I truely believe we are all made the way we are and sexuality and gender are as much a part of a person as their skin tone or eye colour. Why are they so obsessed with what two consenting people do in the privacy of their own homes, and everyone can choose who they love (althogh the irony is daddy Duggar choose for his girls) Dillard continues to expose his true colours, and those of his family and the people he associates with. I hope no one shows up, and Dericks little plan falls flat on its ass.

almsw119 said...

Did Anna's parents, specifically father, know about Josh's history of abuse when they agreed to the marriage? To me, it seemed like Anna did not find out until it came out in the press?

Carmel said...

"Did Anna's parents, specifically father, know about Josh's history of abuse when they agreed to the marriage? To me, it seemed like Anna did not find out until it came out in the press?"

I'm pretty sure the Kellers said they were aware of the molesting, but I doubt it. If anything, it would be a very watered-down version of the truth (that is to say, a LIE). I can't imagine a loving father handing his naïve daughter off to be married to a known child molester -- especially with such an emphasis on this daughter getting pregnant quickly and frequently, providing more potential victims for Joshie. Scary!!

In those episodes before the wedding, it seemed like Anna was completely clueless about the process of "making sandwiches" for her wonderful headship. Sounds like these virgin brides get THE TALK during their brief one-on-one scheduled time with Mom right before their wedding.

Always said...

Re:Emma's comment's about Derick. I totally agree with everything said, especially that everyone should be allowed to live the life they choose, as well as be able to love the person they love. Derick is nothing. Nobody would be flocking to that church to see Derick & his beautiful wife, unless they thought they were celebrities, which Derick & Jill believe they are. I have no idea how Derick was raised before his dad died but it's obvious that he saw a chance for fame & fortune if he could worm his way into the Duggar family. Jim Bob in his wisdom choose Derick & married his daughter off to him, believing he would follow the party line & knowing that he & Michelle had raised their children not to accept anyone who didn't believe they way they did. Now Derick feels he's a celebrity in his own right & can use his fame to belittle anyone who doesn't believe the way he & Jill do. I am hoping that the numbers for the new episodes of "Counting On," take a severe dip. Derick & Jill won't stop until the famous & fabulous Duggar family are no longer on TV spewing their vile messages. The key is to start at the top with Jim Bob & Michelle, until their empire has fallen away. Make no mistake it is an empire!

Another Nurse said...

re: secondhand -shoes, comment about the possibility of Anna having what is known as a "chemical pregnancy." You are absolutely correct about that being a possibility & yes it's a known medical condition. I am a nurse & thought the exact same thing when it was mentioned, just in passing by Anna. Of course, she was telling the woman prisoners about how she understood how difficult life could be, as she had just suffered a miscarriage. I know she had already MacKenzie at the time & possibly Michael, I can't remember the count. I'm sure the woman prisoners gave her the sympathy she seemed to want.

Just Saying said...

Re:Carmel's comment about did Anna's parents know about Josh prior to the marriage or not? Good question. My guess is that they absolutely did not. It wouldn't be the first time the Duggars lied. If they did know it's even worse.

aketa said...

I doubt that Anna's parents could be so cruel as to marry her off to molester. The Duggars probably said something like Joshie had a rebellious spell in his teens but God sent him on the right path and now he will make a perfectly wonderful husband for your innocent girl. It seems Anna was shocked and depressed initially upon hearing about his sins. With her now staring at him like he is God when he speaks, she has taken responsibility for his transgressions as there could have been a time here and there, when she was heavily pregnant, and could not make him sandwiches. One can only imagine what she must do now trying to keep Josh from straying. Many women would have a mental breakdown going through all she has considering the stress pregnancies have on your body, her doubts about herself causing Josh to have sex with others plus the thoughts of him with another woman must be so hurtful.

Diana said...

almsw119 as to Anna's family, the Kellers knowing about Josh's molestation history prior to Josh and Anna's marriage.... According to a statement released by Anna when the molestation became public knowledge, her and her parents were told about Josh's history. She went on to say that she understood how the public felt because she was shocked when she was told too. She said Jim Bob and Michelle told her parents. Of course she pushed the party line how Josh realized he was ruining his life by making bad choices,not that he was ruining his sisters lives by making THEM the victims! Add that to no REAL assistance in coming to terms with what was done to them, molestation can have a devastating affect on victims. Don't forget too,according to Gothard beliefs, ANY sexually motivated crime is the VICTIMS fault! The victim brought crime upon themselves by dressing immodestly perhaps, or due to a host of other things. Bottom line is that the poor perpetrator/Josh, was NOT at fault because the girls tempted him, possibly by showing a knee! And think of this... Due to the molestation, were the victims no longer considered "pure" in the fundie world? Is that why Jim Bob married off 4 of Josh's victims in such rapid succession, because they were no longer pure? They were like a wad of gum, used and spit on?! Could that be the REAL reason Jana isn't married? After all, it is common knowledge that Jana was NOT one of Josh's victims, the police reports prove that to be true. Back to Anna..I don't believe Anna when she said she knew about Josh prior to her marriage. I think Jim Bob told her what to say. I also believe Jim Bob and Michelle made her their prisoner of sorts while Josh was in Jesus jail praying for another sexual encounter via his buddy "Ashley Madison"! Another day, another porn star for the firstborn golden Duggar boy Josh.

Aunt Bea said...

Diana, I remember that comment from Anna on the show about what she and her parents were told about Josh's activities as a teenager. I agree that this system blames the FEMALE victims...dressing or acting immodestly to catch a guy's eye...but this lame excuse does NOT explain how Josh's 5 year old female victim was acting or dressing immodestly. This is baloney and they should be ashamed of themselves. Jim Bob and Michelle have 'hard faces' to show their mugs on TV after hiding that fact and lying about themselves and their family. They are like cockroaches...just can't get rid of them and they have been surviving since the dawn of time....they keep showing up.

Heart in Florida said...

It's strange to me that we have never heard one word from the Kellar parents about the Josh teenage incident. I strongly think that Jim Bob paid them off a handsome sum to keep their mouths shut. Of course, the Kellars said they would pray about it and of course, God told them to 'take the money'. Convenient.

Andrea said...

I personally think Anna's father had a good understand of what happened, Anna, however had no idea. I cannot imagine the Anna had (or has) a good understand of sex, consent or anything to do with female rights or reproduction health. Anna's parents, like Jim Bob and Michelle are total monsters. No one in their right mind would want that for their daughter. Sad all around.


I hope she has met with a Doctor to discuss what risk Josh took with her and her children's health by being unfaithful. I hope also the Doctor has discussed birth control. My feeling however is that she and her sister in laws are so cloistered no real MD is allowed near them.

lisa Mcginess said...

if that is the case those people really need to get real because it is not any woman's fault she is sexually molested especially while she is sleeping in her own bed? These girls need help and Jim bod needs real help for being the kind of father he is to all of those kids. And as for bing a mother Michelle Duggar gets a big fat F in my book. They have failed all their children.

nana Gia said...

Anna's parents most likely were told a watered down version of what Josh did. The Kellers were thrilled to have their daughter become a tv star so they overlooked and encouraged the marriage knowing that money from TLC was on the way. They gave her away to the Duggars for her fame and profit. Anna is totally brainwashed from the time she was a little girl, just like Jana, they know no different other then to obey headships and strive to go to heaven.

Ruby said...

Listened to a piano and four violins destroy a simple hymn on Duggars Facebook page. Eck. No one can play. No one can harmonize. Jana is too loud on the piano. The rest can barely play their violins. No vibrato, zero confidence . Sound like a bunch of middle schoolers, or worse.

Mickey2942 said...

I literally gagged when Michelle Duggar was trying to take responsibility for the molestation by stating that boys should not change girls diapers, bathe sisters, be alone with younger sisters, take care of sisters, even now it makes me ill to write this.

Normal brothers do not think this way! And normal parents would never use this as an excuse or justification for sexual abuse. Nor is this "normal" teenage boy behavior. That is outrageous. And beyond sick thinking.

It is the behavior of a skilled sociopath, who has no concept of conscience, or guilt, and that can't be "taught" or "prayed" for...and it is a hard wired personality disorder, that is very hard to extinguish. If at all...the sociopath just becomes more skilled at not getting caught. Shudder.

Heart in Florida said...

I also listened to that pathetic violin and piano 'concerto'. Jana played nicely, but those screeching off-key violins were awful. I know none of them are professionals, but you would think with all those years of lessons the older girls would know how to play by now. I also agree that the piano was loud and the violins, even multiple ones were too low.
I strongly believe that the Kellars were paid off to keep their mouths shut about Joshley's extra marital activities. It's strange that Mr. Kellar would not have ANYTHING to say about that situation. I also bet dollars to doughnuts, he was asked about it. Apparently MONEY talks, but Mr. Kellar doesn't.

Alicia said...

OMG.....who even thinks about boys sexually abusing an infant who needs a diaper change?? Michelle & Jimbob gotta be sexual perverts to even have that thought in their minds. With that demented thought in their minds, how could they trust anyone, male or female, to care for a defenseless infant?? It's all about sex to them. I doubt these sick thoughts cross the minds of normal people. I just can't wait for the tell all book to appear. Jill might do it at Derrick's urging since she's crossed the line already with a nose piercing, henna tattoo and even wearing pants. Derrick must be desperate for dollars since his GO fund me was a bust, he's not getting donations anymore and he's been tossed off of TLC. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

sandi said...

I don't think the Kellars were paid off,I think they just have the same mindset the Duggars do,that molestation is no big deal.They all adhere to the same cult,where sexual impropriety reigns,and Gothard is King of it.
And divorce is never acceptable,so Anna stays put,and everyone tows Jb's party line.
I don't think they were told the whole story though;I recall one article stating an insider had said Anna was shocked to hear the truth of the matter,and that sounds plausible to me.Jmo

lisa Mcginess said...

to the person that said Michelle Duggar has a fertility calendar and her girls watch it that is so true just watch it on one of their shows when the went to the big apple and on the Today show, she said her girls watch it like a hawk? yuck, how gross. Now I know for sure joy did get pregnant on her honeymoon probably planned the whole wedding around her fertility? YUCK?

Wondering said...

As both a mother & a daughter, I cannot imagine having a calendar hanging out for all to see when it was "that time of the month." What was the purpose of that? If Michelle wanted to get pregnant, she should have had it hung somewhere private, perhaps in her bedroom, where only she & her wonderful husband would see it. Or did it mean during that time, leave your father & me alone, we have better things to do than to look after you kids?

Just Saying said...

Re:Mickey2942 comments on Michelle's statement that boys should not change girls diapers. I totally agree with everything you said. Do you remember the time Michelle was changing Josie, (I believe) & she told Jackson to step out of the room while she changed her. He was only a very little boy, who I don't believe would ever have had a thought like that in his head, unless his mother put it there. All this business about sex & these sick thoughts, has come to the children directly from Michelle & Jim Bob.

Tori said...

I accidentally came across the Duggars friend Sierra's instagram account. On one of her posts she shared a story about her little boy being sad and confused because someone he thought was a friend had started bullying him. She commented that she had felt a similar way during the past year experiencing loneliness and frustration. She recently had a baby but I didn't notice Jessa or Joy sending congrats or mentioning it. I wonder if there has been some falling out with the Duggars (though she was in Joys bridal party so probably not). Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts or has heard anything?

Schooner said...

I swear I lose brain cells reading Jilly Muffin’s hashtags on her Instagram. Does she even get understand what hashtags are and why they are used? Clearly not. Poor ignorant girl.

Nickel Pickle said...

If the Duggars do not watch tv or do not like any tv shows why do they keep selling themselves out to people magazine? This is showing their true colors? They love money more than anything else? Nothing else to say about the evidence is there for its self

Sneez said...

Tori I also thought it odd that Sierra wasn't in, or directing, Joy’s wedding since they were supposedly best friends.

Willow said...

Sneez - Sierra WAS in Joy's wedding but not doing any coordinating, that we saw. I too am curious what has happened between her and the Duggars, if anything.

Tori said...

The only person who congratulated Sierra on instagram when she her new baby was Jillymuffin, no Jessa no bestie Joy, it seemed strange to me, may be something, may be nothing but def out of the norm.

Stephanie from Virginia said...

I’ve said that for years. THEY are too good to veg out in front of the TV but it’s ok for me and mine to spend an hour of our lives watching them on TV. Is that what Oxy-Moron means?