Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:07 PM, Episode 24, Joy Gives Birth

In this first look, Joy prepares to welcome her first child as her due date approaches.  With Austin by her side, Joy goes into labor and gives birth to her baby!

25 minutes

 Those of us who watched the webisodes have probably already seen this.  Wow, I'm glad she didn't give birth to a duck, woodchuck, or elephant.  ;)

Ratings:  1.342 M viewers and a .33 rating.

55 comments:

Just Crazy said...

With Austin by her side Joy gives birth to her baby. Oh if only it had been that easy!

Really Fed Up said...

I hope they don't have a ratings bonanza for this episode or every one of them will be having a home birth or trying to.

Not a Mocker said...

So this week are episodes 11&24? Is TLC doing a repeat of last season and ending early? Or just wanting to show Joys l&d quickly that they're pushing it ahead?

Emma said...

Saw a picture of Joy and Austin in the OR, Austin still has his baseball hat on under his protective mop cap, what a total tool. It just highlights the immaturity and ignorance of this crowd, did he honestly think someone would steal a manky, greasy, sweaty baseball cap? I'm sure the OR staff had plenty of sideways glances and eye rolls at the cut of him, as yet another Duggar daughter was wheeled in to have yet another emergency proceedure to sort out yet another home birth gone wrong. I really do fear someday we are going to read a news post and it won't be a happy outcome, I really wish they would wise up before that happens.

Susie said...

No prenatal care to monitor the size and position of the baby = a 10.3 lb baby and an emergency delivery. Again. These Duggar morons NEVER learn.

Mickey2942 said...

Susie, the priority is ratings!

Smokey said...

I don't like who Joy has become. Arrogant and snobby.

laura said...

So have all the girls had c sections for all births then?
How incredible to me Jill tried another home birth.
It will be interesting to see if joy anna attempts home birth for her 2nd baby.
Any thoughts on what Jill will do for her 3rd?
Will Josiah see the danger his sisters have put themselves in and insist his wife go to the hospital?
The girls choices on this matter confound me.
If they keep having big babies why don't they make safe choices to protect their blessings? Incredible. Why isnt Michelle duggar advising her daughter's?
I'm guessing the gothard booklets did not include how many women have died in childbirth before the advent of modern medicine and hospitals....how can children be the gift from god but you act like this?
Also... I thought this thing called Obama care required all to have medical insurance. How do they hold unemployed adults over age 21 who are not on their parents plans?
I have had friends who have had their tax returns taken because they didn't have insurance and a single father who owes 4000$ to the IRS because of subsidy issues.
Thankfully I have military insurance so I am not sure how the duggars get away with breaking this law.
Honest question. Can someone answer.

Willow said...

Do the children have to be single to be on their parents' insurance until age 26? I hadn't given much thought to insurance but the way the Duggars live makes everything confusing and weird (to me).

Emma said...

Laura: Jill has two kids two sections, Jessa has two kids no sections, but haemorraged after Spurgeons birth, and requied an emergency transfer to hospital and a blood transfusion. Now Joy has one baby one section, they really are not promoting the home birth movement! These girls have all had huge babies, and if they were under the care of a ob/gyn and or professional midwife they would be monitored for gestational diabetes and inductions a few weeks earlier might be suggested and they would certainly be strongly advised to give birth in hospital. I also find it difficult to understand how Michelle who had the majority of her babies in the safe surroundings of a hospital stands back and watches her young daughters go through hours of pain and risk their lives trying to bring their own babies into this world. Is Michelle jealous that her childbearing season of life is over and by home birthing she gets to be front and centre as the push coach? Kendra and Joes baby is the next one due and it will be interesting to see if Kendras labor and delivery are filmed for all to see. So far Kendras family seem to be more reserved than the Duggars and I am not sure if they would be happy at male camera men (and the thousands of viewers) being able to see their daughters baby business parts, Kendra hasn't been posting pictures of herself every five seconds so I think they might keep it a bit more private?? Also most girls want their mums with them not their mother in-laws so Michelle doesn't get a staring roll with the next one. I hope Jinger and Jeremy have a hospital birth, but behind the scenes I am sure her sisters are putting pressure on her for a home birth. I hope Jeremy stands up and is a man and puts his wife and babys safety over what the Duggar machine wants.

Mickey2942 said...

They could easily do a Medicaid spend down for the birth costs. But well baby care, immunizations, is another issue, unless they are part of the "no immunization" crowd.

I don't know, but the costs would be prohibitive without insurance.

Aimee said...

These episodes were just crazy. How on earth did she go 20 hours in labor before her "midwife" realized that baby was breech?! I am thankful that Jill didn't let her go longer but wish "EMT trained" Austin would have taken her to the hospital much, much sooner. Poor girl - no one should labor with a breech, 10+ lb baby for 20+ hours. How ridiculous!

Ruby said...

Has it ever occurred to any of the married Duggar girls that maybe, just maybe they ought to consult a doctor as to why they have ginormous babies? And how to prevent it the next time, if at all possible? Hey TLC, instead of the stupid questions you ask at interview time like "why kind of cheese is JInger?", why don't you ask an intelligent question like, have you ever had a prenatal exam in an office setting? have you ever had a test for gestational diabetes? have you ever heard of gestational diabetes? is Jill your primary midwife? if you have a medical question during preganacy, who do you consult?

Tori said...

Anyone else here think that TLC have issued this video clip because they may have decided not to renew another season, but had already filmed the footage ( wishful thinking I know)? There are constant complaints about how boring it is, and how behind it is, and now even fans are complaining on sites where previously there was only gushing about how wonderful they were. Every show has a life span, this one has been gasping its last for a while now, mind you we say that every season and every season back it comes, like an unwanted boomerang!

sandi said...

Ruby,intelligence seems to escape the Duggars.But yes,I would love to see them taken to task with some really tough q's on pregnancy and childbirth,although I'm not so sire tlc isn't complicit in the matter,at least somewhat.I suspect the encourage home births.That is still no excuse for not having good prenatal care though

Granada said...

How could Austin, who is an EMT, stand by and watch Joy suffer for 20 hours without seeking medical help. If you love someone, it is difficult to watch them in pain and do nothing, especially someone with a bit of medical training. Austin is not a good husband or father for allowing the crazy Duggars and TLC to control this possibly fatal birth scene.

Lizzyb said...

Just watched this episode that I DVR'd. I didn't know until this show that Joy had a c-section. These Duggar girls are not very bright when it comes to giving birth. If Joy had had proper OB care, she would have known she was having a large and BREECH baby ahead of time, saving lots of misery. Who was the nutty midwife who couldn't tell the baby was breech? I suspect it was Jill, the faux midwife. I think this limits Joy's dream to have many children.

Jen Tru said...

That's what I was thinking! Midwife should be able to tell whether a baby is breech or not well before 20 hours of labor has happened. And being 30 minutes away from a hospital is not a good thing as Joy stated in the People magazine article, a lot can go wrong in 30 minutes! If your baby is not breathing that's over in 30 minutes. When will these people stop taking such crazy risks!?

Aunt Bea said...

Austin, being an EMT, is more qualified to deliver Joy's baby himself than that useless 'midwife' and Dr. Jill have proven to be.

Who Knows? said...

With all the training & the length of time it takes to become an EMT,I cant believe Austin has completed all that, plus there has never been a thing mentioned about this before. I can't believe that a man who follows the teachings that the Duggars & the Forsyths do, would be allowed to become an EMT. Most EMT's have occasions to see women, other than their wives, in labor needing to be rushed to a hospital to give birth, or in other situations where they might be privy to seeing their "lady parts." Can you imagine what the average EMT sees in his work, certainly as much as the average nurse does. Also, he certainly would have recognized that there was a real problem with the long labor that wasn't progressing. I truly question whether he is an EMT & I'm surprised that viewers are taking the Duggars at their word on this. I'm not saying that I don't believe Austin is smart enough to become an EMT, just that it takes a great deal of schooling, as well as quite sometime with on the job training to become certified. I know there is a difference between a Paramedic & an EMT but still it's profession that requires a great deal of schooling. If he is an EMT, he would have a decent income & could do his construction work on the side.

Tanya T said...

Left a comment yesterday and for some reason it disappeared? Probably forgot to hit Enter, oh well here it goes again.
I don’t think Jill was the midwive, just tried to act like she was. The video clip and a still photo show a woman with much blonder hair using a Doppler device on Joy’s belly to listen to the heart rate. My guess is the actual midwife didn’t want to be filmed.It also looks like Austin’s sister was there to hold Joy’s hand during labor. Also, I just don’t understand why Michelle needed to wake Johanna up in the middle of the night to watch her sister go thru that agonizing labor, is she trying to scare the girl? Poor Johanna will be scared to death to even court a boy,knowing what’s ahead of her for life. I’m surprised Kendra wasn’t there! JimBob always creeps me out announcing his daughter’s different stages of labor, dilated cervixes and pushing/ crowning to the younger kids, especially the boys! I wonder if it bothers John David to hear these details about his younger sister’s birthing process?

Snowflake said...

Everyone seems to paint all the men as misogynist, but maybe Austin "let" Joy control her own labor. The most recent births she would have been present for were Jill and Jesse's, the lesson there being labor is long and painful. Maybe Austin had finally reached a point of not "allowing" her to suffer any more and an ambulance was called. Call me crazy, but I can see Joy arguing that she "can do this" at home, just like her big sisters. I'd put money on the hospital decision being made by Austin because it sure wouldn't be made by Michelle or Jill.

A question I would pose is when they started timing labor. I was in labor for eight hours at home before I went to the hospital for a planned medical birth, that's how long it took for my contractions to reach five minutes apart. I was half an hour from the hospital and was told to head in at the five minute spacing. My point is the 20 hours of labor may have consisted of many hours of light contractions.

As for the EMT wages, I was surprised to learn they make a little more than entry-level bank tellers in my rural area at around $15 an hour.

I hope Jinger is far enough from the crazy to get pre-natal care and a birth in a medical facility. If the grandbabies are born any bigger, they'll be walking within hours of birth!

Aunt Bea said...

Is Austin's EMT 'preparation' through Alert or is the guy properly trained in the real world? Anyone know?

JeannieBean said...

I suspect that Austin either got his training through Alert or he might have taken a basic First Aid course perhaps if his family camp might be required to have someone on staff with some kind of medical training. Either way it would be a far cry from being a real life EMT. I think this is just another case of Duggar exaggeration right up there with the concert pianist claim.

Willow said...

I just thought I'd throw out what I know about Austin's EMT status. A few years ago, I clicked on something that took me to Austin's Instagram account, which was private. However, it did say he was an EMT and he lived in Texas at the time. The Texas part seemed surprising at the time. Maybe it did have something to do with Alert, who knows. Didn't his family live in Texas before they moved to Arkansas? But, I think this was after his family already had the campground in Arkansas. He was hanging with the Duggar kids way back.

Sunny days said...

Re: Snowflake's comment about Austin letting Joy control her own labor. I think all of these young women "think" they have a mind of their own & can say, this is what I want, but the reality is far different. The men, no matter what their age are in control. Also I don't think Joy was in any shape to continue saying that she wanted to continue on at home. Michelle knows nothing about the dangers that are involved in a childbirth, especially with a breech baby, even with all her pregnancies,labors & deliveries. Jill only knows what she has experienced as student "midwife," which is nothing, considering she was training under a woman who lost her license. She also has firmly planted in her own mind just how these labors & deliveries should go & none have gone as she thought they should.Not one of none of them were competent in this case. An entire house filled with people, who had no idea of what they were doing involving the birth of a baby

A Nurse not a midwife said...

RE:JeannieBean & Willow's comments about Austin as an EMT. I think those are the best explanations so far, re: Austin's training coming from Alert. In the Duggar world, that they all live in, it's not much of a jump from some basic first aid training in the Alert Camp, to a certified EMT. The way the Duggars embellish (lie) about the professions in their family, I can see them making the jump from some basic fist aid training to an EMT. It certainly was never mentioned until now that Austin was an EMT. Will these people ever stop? Don't they realize that people are not that stupid?

Mickey2942 said...

I am an EMT, and the first thing that is drilled into us during training is "stabalize, then transport", no certified EMT would hang around a woman in labor for hours, and hours...without getting the patient to licensed medical professionals.

Austin was probably hanging with the menfolk, and let the women birth babies. He would be as useless as Josh. Who is as worthless as a moldy loaf of bread.

Willow said...

Thanks Sharla, as always, for the ratings numbers. They seem pretty consistent.

A Nurse not a midwife said...

Many thanks to Micky2942 for confirming the irrational belief, that a certified EMT would stand by for hours on hours watching a woman labor without checking to see if she is in labor with a breech baby, needing a C-section & therefore rushing her to the hospital to save the baby's life as well as hers. This is one of the most ridiculous & unbelievable statements to ever come out of the of the Duggar compound. How stupid do they think the viewers are? I stand by what I know from working with EMT's,such as Micky2942. The pictures showing Austin with his arms around Joy, confirms this in my opinion. He was right there & would have known, something is really going wrong here.

Willow said...

I agree Austin may have had some kind of EMT or first aid training, but I just don't think he actually worked as an EMT. He has other interests. They may be able to claim him as a first responder for Fort Rock activities, however; not sure of legal requirements there.. On another note, does anyone besides me see Austin's resemblance to the late, great Steve McQueen? (If anyone here is older enough to remember him, lol).

Beyond Furious said...

I'm not at all sure these home birth are bringing in the type of publicity that both Jim Bob & TLC want. Many, people seem outraged at seeing Joy going through the horror of laboring for many, many hours with a breech, 10 lb. baby that she could not possible deliver. I don't know or care, if Jill was or wasn't the only midwife there, whoever was there, had no idea of what they were doing. Apparently throwing in the line that Austin was an EMT & would know if there was an emergency, is in my opinion throwing a crumb to the public, i.e. we had a certified EMT there, who didn't think there was an emergency. I don't care who was present, obviously, he or she couldn't tell that Joy should have headed to the hospital way before she finally did, so they weren't much good either. People are tired of seeing these young women almost loosing their lives, or their baby's lives, all for the sake of the cameras. Anyone who doesn't believe that, should ask just why it was necessary for Jim Bob to be praying for a "natural birth." Obviously he had no concern for how badly his daughter was suffering, or whether or not she & her baby would both survive. It's difficult to believe that these young women cannot see that their suffering is hopefully, only for good ratings.

Just Asking said...

If these girls don't have any prenatal care, how do they know if they have gestational diabetes, or if they have toxemia? I agree that Joy's face looked swollen in the hospital. Also was that "red tubing" just her IV, or was she receiving a blood transfusion, when she was shown in the bed following the delivery? Joy said her plan B was "just to go to any hospital." She then said the closest one was 30 minutes away. Boy they really wing these deliveries.

Always said...

Seeing Joy go through childbirth, all I could think of was her 13th birthday, think it was her 13th, if not then her 12th, when she went rock climbing in her skirt & was asking Michelle for help with her skirt. Michelle paid no attention to her & the staff there was horrified that she was rock climbing in flip flops.

Aunt Bea said...

I could tell from the improper breathing in Joy's labor that no one had instructed her about the labor & delivery of her baby. I also agree that she most likely had the minimal care even an unqualified, undereducated and under trained midwife in NW Arkansas would allow.

"Going to just any hospital' is NOT A PLAN, Joy. I'm also quite she showed up with absolutely NO PAPERWORK tracking her pregnancy. These people confidently think that they don't need 'any old hospital' to deliver, but yet when they're in an emergency medical situation, they RUN, not WALK to the nearest hospital expecting those medical professionals who they don't respect to preform near miracles in saving the lives of their unborn babies and their own lives as well....go figure.

Lindsay said...

Re: Aunt Bea's comment about Joy's improper breathing during labor. I said exactly the same thing. I knew immediately that she hadn't been through any classes, or had any type of instruction on the proper breathing technique, when I saw her breathing out & exerting a great deal of energy. I truly wonder if she had any prenatal care at all. I believe they took the pregnancy test & decided it was a honeymoon baby & tried to figure out an approximate date that they were due.

Ruby said...

Joy Joy is extremely immature. She talks like a child in a pouty voice She depends on her sisters for everything, every decision, every idea, every experience.. Heck, she probably was depending on her sisters to breath for her too. She entered marriage completely unprepared for adult life.

Snowflake said...

I had my baby before the pop-up ultrasound salons that offer gender checks, when they were used as a tool to check size and development of the critter on the inside. Do the strip mall ultrasound places even document anything other than gender, like weight and size?

Having a baby in an ambulance isn't as common in my area as it seems to be in Tontitown, not all EMTs have delivered babies. I'm sure in coursework, EMT students are taught about basic labor and delivery, but definitely not the in-depth education of an OB/GYN. (Although it's not common here, a family member delivered her third in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. She had planned a hospital birth but progressed faster than expected and didn't have time for the 30 minute drive to the hospital.)

Fed Up said...

Joy took that arrogant tone again, when she was asked about her plan B for the delivery. She was clearly annoyed when she said, we'll just go to any hospital. It seemed as though she didn't even think that would be a possibility. She also must have needed to see a Dr. for follow up after a C-Section

Take 10 said...

People has a story that shows Joy did go to a doctor after she got pregnant.

Blah said...

Couldn’t have said it better.

Ruby said...

Can someone explain why the entire duggar clan including all able bodied men are filmed sitting around the house waiting for joy to give birth. Really? No one has anything to do like a job? No one is quietly reading a book or working on paperwork? Or anything productive? No one? No one goes out for a walk? Everyone us sitting in a big noisy group doing nothin nothing nothing. What a bunch of brainwashed cult members.

Elspeth said...

All of the sitting around waiting for the birth at the Duggar home was a stage scene for the cameras.

Ffemtmom said...

The Alert academy does have real emt and paramedic training. I'm an emt and one of my coworkers received his paramedic training there. He even treated a Duggar girl but will not say who, lol. Anyways, for him to be a paramedic in PA he had to pass his national registry tests.

Another Nurse said...

I was totally unaware that the Alert Academy trained these young men for professions such as; EMT & Paramedic. I also thought you had to be licensed in the state where you worked, not a National Registry. As a nurse, I know my license is by the state where I am working, not a National Registry. Different states have different requirement for the courses required for licensure. I know some nurses need to periodically take courses on Domestic Violence, or HIV. This yr. I had to take a course on Zika Virus, that's not required in every state, at the present time. I'm surprised that we didn't hear about Austin's profession until Joy's birth experience. The Duggars love to embellish about the accomplishments of their family members & yet this wasn't mentioned about Austin. I wonder why none of the Duggars boys that have attended Alert Academy, have entered a profession such as EMT or Paramedic.

Sunny days said...

You must be licensed by your state as well as the National Registry in order to practice as an EMT.

Ali said...

The picture of Austin with his arms around Joy's abdomen during labor, truly make me wonder about his EMT training. I can't believe a trained EMT wouldn't know it a an extremely large baby that was also breech & send for an ambulance immediately. As mentioned before, EMT's are trained to stabilize then transport. Delivering babies or finding a woman in severe distress during labor, is not something that's extremely rare, or uncommon for any EMT. The EMT"s I know act quickly & efficiently, in an emergency.

By the Way said...

I agree that you must also pass a state test for an EMT license,& wonder just how stiff the requirements are for a license in AR as compared to PA?

Mary said...

So happy to see they are all having boys. Or mosty boys

Just my opinion said...

I read up about the Alert Academy training for an EMT. I states, it's an EMT Basic Introduction to pre hospital emergency care, including TWO Weeks of clinic training, were you work with ambulance crews & ER Staff. I believe that answers how in depth the Alert EMT Program actually is. You will not get an in depth course of study with only two weeks clinical training.

Aunt Bea said...

I wonder how 'real' the Alert ambulance training could be. What if the patient is a female rather scantily clothed? How would the male trainee handle that? Would he turn his head, not participate and let 'that one pass'? These are the types of questions we would really like them to address, but they never will.

Willow said...

I think it is hard for most of the Duggar children to really study. I don't think they were raised to really put effort into things - just my opinion. John David is the exception, however, and my hat is off to him for sticking with the pilot training. I think most of them are unintentionally geared to the easy way of getting things done.

Wondering said...

When I was in nurses training, my weeks spent in the ER all I saw were patients suffering with the Flu. Many of the other student had a much more in-depth experience than I did. So if its only 2 weeks practical clinical experience with the alert EMT training, the trainees could absolutely never see more that a bad sprain or cut.

sandi said...

Mary,I was just thinking,I hope the Duggar boys have mostly girls.That limits the last name Duggar.And no boys for them to serve.LOL

Willow said...

I just think its odd that Joy and Anna have not put up many pictures of their new babies. I would love to see a couple of good pics of Gideon as he is the first Forsyth child and I am curious to see who he looks like.