Free Discussion, April, 2018

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129 comments:

Emma said...

Over on Jill and Dericks sparkly new website she has been posting 'family recipes' which she uses for her family. She posted one of her recipes for baked zucchini on her instagram, and Derick then reposted it on his twitter. They are now being called out once again, this time for using both the recipe and photograph from the on line site All recipes, but the nice thing is at the bottom of their post they have all photographs and posts are their property and permission must be sought before using, all while using someone elses property. Many have commented and have tagged Allrecipes telling them what has been happening. These people just lurch from one drama to the next, maybe they should just stick to eating in their car!

Opie said...

They are so dumb!

Mickey2942 said...

Derelict's goal is to work as little as possible, missioncation, using some one else's money, and pontificate his own odd point of view. His looks, and behavior are so erratic that I would almost consider a comprehensive psychological evaluation, for possible diagnosis and treatment. But, given the Duggar way, they will just "Pray Away" any issues. A longer "courtship", and more consideration might have been a better plan...but the ratings, were the most important consideration!

Michael go row a boat said...

I blame Jill's social media blunders on Jimboob and Mechelle. They did little to nothing to prepare their children for the real world. They don't know any better because they've never been taught any different.

Penny said...

regarding jill and derricks progressive car date...that is one of the strangest dates I have ever seen...who does that with kids in the back seat???did they get to eat too??and I keep reading about rebel spunky jinger because she wears pants,she is following her husbands lead...he is letting heror perhaps saying he prefers her to dress this way..his own description of her was that she was meek.watching her on tv I see no spunk at all...I watched om 2 occasions where she allowed other women to decorate and arrange her home...I thought she was supposed to have a good eye for this sort of thing...but totally allowed jessa to bulldoze her and Jeremy when it came to her home...I am now reading how her and Jeremy never fight in their relatively new marriage,well of course they donot..she was trained not to have her own opinion.spunky and rebel does not describe her at all.

Just Wondering said...

I am wondering just how many bloggers have gone on "Progressive Dates," with their hubby. Personally, I have never heard of a progressive date. I wonder if it's a regional thing. A date with my husband means both of us dressing up & going out alone, not strapping the children in the backseat to watch us eat. The children stay at home with a babysitter. Jill think Jana. Sorry I apologize for that comment. I guess eventually the kids will be treated to watching their parents, "dry hump," at a mini golf.

Just Saying said...

Mickey2942. Looks like so far at least, Derrick has succeeded in finding ways to avoid working. They still seem to have many fans willing to support them, as the fans work from sun up to sun down, probably supporting the Dillards, even when it means depriving their own families of some basic needs.

I think said...

It seems that Jim Bob picks extremely young girls for his sons. The boys are in their twenties but the girls are all teens.

Angelica said...

Derelict has an education and should know he cannot post from other sites. I feel he just doesn't care and is so Duggarite special he will not be held responsible because he is above the laws of the land. I reality, I feel he and Jill have entered a downward spiral, trying to win a few hundred dollars in a child's contest (which they failed), lost their spot on TLC so are now totally desperate to stay in the spotlight so they broadcast lame car dates & have jacked up this phony recipe site. We all know Jill's idea of kid's meal is a banana or tomato paste right out of the can as she proudly posted on the internet. Her biggest recipe accomplishment has been baking banana bread. As far as her mother's recipes....once Michelle cooked an egg for a kid and Jana has been busy opening cans and thawing out food to create recipes. The train wreck is in process.

Ridiculous said...

There have been so many repeats of episodes this past season. When Joy was giving birth & they were all remembering Joy as a baby, it was bad enough to listen to Jessa going on about how they treated her as their own baby doll but was it really necessary to have both Michelle & Jim Bob talking about when Joy was born? As Michelle went on about the length of labor & that Joy was "sunny side up,"Jim Bob was at her side nodding up & down. I thought the "Counting On," show was supposed to feature the older Duggars children, why were Jim Bob & Michelle front & center about something that is of absolutely no interest at all?

Not me said...

My thoughts exactly about no fights....just go along like and don't make waves. Let it build inside until your blood pressure is so high you have a stroke. I have seen it happen.

Not me said...

Does Jill do much of the driving? Seeing the progressive date reminds me of when she would drive his baked potato lunch to him and they'd sit and eat in the car.

And what is a progressive date? I went to a progressive party years ago where we had salad at the first neighbors, lasagna at the second and dessert at the third.

Not me said...

I agree Jill's lack of social skills come from her parents. They don't have any so obviously they can't teach what they don't understand.

Jim Bob got to MEchelle when she was young and impressionable. As a brand new Christian she looked to him and it seems he was making up his own rules that benefitted him. She went along because he told her that was how she was to act.

Sharla said...

Please remember to keep your comments about the Duggars, Bateses, etc, and not about other posters or their opinions.

Linda said...

I guess Jill read or someone told her about a suggestion such as this one:
"How to Have a Progressive Dinner for Two Date Night:

Make a list of some of your favorite (or new) restaurants. You’ll need a list of 9 places in the same general area of town. One set of 3 that have great appetizers, another set that has yummy dinners, and the final 3 that have amazing sweet treats. You will let your hubby choose from the list which places you’ll go to (or take turns picking).

Get in you car, and while you are on the way to the appetizer location call in your order for take out! Hop out, go get it, and bring it back to your vehicle. Use your phone wifi to connect your iPad, computer, or phone and watch your favorite Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon movie or series from the comfort (and privacy) of your own ride.

When you are finishing up your appetizer, pick the dinner location from the list, call in your order, pick it up, eat, and have fun watching your next series episode. Then repeat again with the dessert location of your choice."
From: http://www.happywivesclub.com/progressive-dinner-for-two/

Just thinking said...

I guess this is the modern way to have dinner & a date with your husband. I'll take the old fashioned way, with the kids at home with a babysitter, pick a nice restaurant, you both enjoy & have a nice evening. Not a date in the car. Reminds me of the old, days of the car hop.

Sunshine said...

I agree with Not ME. I have also been to a progressive dinner. Often times, they are church groups, or neighborhood groups, especially at the holidays, that plan these dinner parties. They are enjoyable, as you have one course at one house then move on to another & another. It's an easy way to entertain a group & people seems to enjoy it. However it differs from Jill & Derick's progressive car date. Children are not involved, just adults. I think it keeps the expense down for the hosts too. If asked, I would host one of the courses for a progressive dinner. My friend recently had the cocktail hour at her house then it was on to another home for the salad , another for the main entrée & then finally dessert & coffee. People usually arrange to have the home in close proximity, so you are not traveling any real distance between homes.

Mickey2942 said...

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. And just leave the kids sitting in car seats in the back of the car. I guess in the "Duggar World", the restaurants were all prominently featured, to get payment, or free food. Just another level to the grifting. The Duggars and their progeny have made an art out of grifting. It is beyond classless. Their complete lack of awareness regarding social norms, and how others perceive this behavior is on a Grand Canyon scale of cluelessness.

Just guessing said...

Does anyone think Jill & Derick take the children with them on this progressive car date because the Duggars are not offering babysitting services?

Mickey2942 said...

The younger gals are still "Star Struck" at being part of the Royal Duggar Family, and be famous! On TV!

Older gals, would disdain this, knowing that the show will end at some point, and she would be stuck with an uneducated man, who has no clue about earning a living, and expects her to make sandwiches, on demand.

Duggarsbegone said...

I was thinking the same thing. Wonder if that is what happened.

schooner said...

I wonder if the Duggars get harrassed/stalked, stared at or approached for selfies, autographs, etc when out at the store or in a restaurant? Are they local celebrities? Do they not feel comfortable out in public mixing in with the general population? Do they feel awkward when they are not the center of attention? Their life is not normal by any stretch.

lisa Mcginess said...

can someone tell me what kind of marriage advice Joy and Austin could possibly give? married too young had a kid right away? by the time I am 30, I will have at least 4 kids? the only advice I see them giving is a big fat zero?

Mickey2942 said...

https://www.google.com/amp/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/austin-forsyth-abusive-157417.amp

No! Austin Forsyth is emotionally cruel, controlling, demanding and abusive!

I guess that letting your Daddy pick your husband, and getting married based on the TLC schedule to ensure ratings is not the best plan. That girl is stuck. A new baby, probably pregnant with another baby soon.

Ginny Streeter said...

I just read the online article about Austin, and honestly it made me mad. I am not a huge Duggar supporter, but I also think that there is absolutely no basis for that article. It is just conjuncture and assumptions. My background is in TV and print news, and that article is not "reporting"........it is stirring the pot based on nothing. Joy has always been one of the more quiet girls, and from what I have seen, I've always felt that Austin was protective of her and that he really loves her. Some will say it is his fault that they had a failed home birth and thus an emergency C-section, but I suspect there is more Duggar influence there. The fact of the matter is that we do not know what is happening in their lives. We really see very little of Austin and Joy on social media etc. They seem to be living their own lives similar to the way Jinger and Jeremy are. I, for one, am not going to jump to conclusions based on an article written by a gossip magazine that has absolutely no facts etc. in it.

Tori said...

Ginny: I thought the same thing as you, this was a 'story' made up out of nothing. There is no evidence of Austin being abusive towatds Joy, infact I too think he loves her. One thing I will say though is that he has been suckered into the whole volunteer on the show thing and recently responded to a poster saying that the show is to 'promote Jesus Christ and his goodness', he obviously doesn't watch the show, it hasn't promoted anything religious in a very long time!

coleen said...

Per "schooner said...
I wonder if the Duggars get harrassed/stalked, stared at or approached for selfies, autographs, etc when out at the store or in a restaurant? Are they local celebrities? Do they not feel comfortable out in public mixing in with the general population? Do they feel awkward when they are not the center of attention? Their life is not normal by any stretch.
4/04/2018 12:04 PM "

Years ago (when 19kids was on) someone I know saw MD and the older girls in a store. This person stayed within arms length but a female fan approached them; it was a total fan girl situation. MD talked to the fan but seemed annoyed and the girls continued shopping. My acquaintance said MD gave the fan an autographed family photo when the fan followed them to their van.

Plain Ridiclous said...

I find it more than just a little interesting, that so many fans are willing to watch the same thing over & over again. It's difficult to keep straight just who is courting, engaged, marrying, or expecting. People complain all the time about how many repeats there are on various TV shows but for some reason they think something new & different will happen on an episode on "Counting On." It hasn't & it won't. It's all they have to offer. It wouldn't be so upsetting, if it wasn't ruining the lives of the younger generation & the generations to come. I can just see Jim Bob planning a huge long recap of all his children's courting episodes, ending with the birth of God only knows how many babies. It will be a mini series. You can be sure that he's positive that he'll be the grandfather of at least 200. That's what he initially predicted, although many mention 100 now but he always said to Michelle; "We can have 200 grandbabies." I guess they will know everything about each & every one of these grandbabies & deeply love all 200 of them, even if they can't remember their names or who they belong to. When talking about the grandbabies, even now he can't remember all of them. Michelle recently had to remind him that Mason existed. These poor children will only be numbers. I don't believe that's what God had in mind for these "Blessings," but then that's how it was with Jim Bob & Michelle's own "Blessings." Just how well did they know each & everyone of their children?

Mickey2942 said...

https://www.google.com/amp/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josie-duggar-homeschooling-157517.amp

I found this interesting, and think it has a lot of merit. I used to teach Special Education, and many of my students were micro preemies. They needed quite a bit of help, Occupational therapy, Speech therapy, Vision therapy, and I wonder how much help Josie gets at home. With help, most of my students were out of Special Services by age 12. Sad that Josie does not get the benefits of that experience.

Who Knows? said...

I couldn't believe what I saw about Josie Duggars worksheets. Who teaches a child this age nothing except about Jesus & prayers? They absolutely can be taught those things but not just that. I have a granddaughter who turned 2 last month who knows her ABC's & she will launch into song about many nursery rhymes. She is always seen with a book in her hands & not a "Wisdom Book." This is not preparing Josie for the world she will live in, or maybe it is indeed the only world she will live in. Doesn't anyone in authority check on what these kids are being taught?

Christine said...

More on Mickey's point about Josie's education.

Josie's 8 -- nearly 9, though born early in winter. If she were in public/private school, she'd probably be in 2rd grade (eligible for 3rd grade, but held back a year due to being born premature). The photo posted on reddit -- and I'm assuming it's from a recent post to Instagram, though no one's found the source -- shows her completing a worksheet tracing the alphabet with the caption "Look who finished a whole grade!"

The work and the caption indicates that it was probably kindergarten that Josie was finishing. Nowadays, kids are expected to be reading by the time they finish first grade.

The younger Duggar kids are known to be a few years behind schedule when it comes to school. Since the older kids (Josh through Jill or so) are said to have GEDs, it makes me wonder if the younger ones had their education disrupted by filming. If so, how far up the siblings does that go? When Joy, Jed, and Jer finished school, I don't remember there being any mention of GEDs, just their "Duggar Academy" diplomas that they were shown holding in the photo.

Jill was shown on the show practicing single-digit multiplication (which is grade 3 or 4 level material) with James when Jessa was engaged. He would have been 13 and should have been in 7th or 8th grade.

I sort of remember there being a Duggar post congratulating Jackson for finishing (or starting 4th grade) when he was 12, but I haven't been able to dig it up. Anyone else remember that?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CountingOn/comments/89t1dn/picture_of_josie_learning_how_to_write_lettersat/

So Sad said...

Re: Who Knows comment. I agree that Josie should be doing more advanced work or else getting help for the blatant delay in her work due to her micro preemie delays. There's definitely something wrong there. My 2 yr. old grandchild also knows the alphabet & can print her name.

Best Policy said...

I don't believe anyone is cruel enough to comment on any residual delays that Josie has from her birth experience. It's just that the Duggars try to convince everyone that Josie has absolutely no delays whatsoever. There must be a reason her work is at a preschool level, as well as either Michelle or Jim Bob, always holding her on their lap, or Jim Bob carrying her. They just are not honest about her issues. Almost everyone has someone with some level of developmental delays it's not that unusual. Just be honest.

Reality said...

It may not be our business, honestly, regarding Josie. Regarding her medical issues, there are hippa laws in place for a reason. The whole world does not need to know everything about you. These are not characters on a show, but real life people and Josie is a child. I for one, am glad they are not revealing everything about her possible delays. When Josie is older and wants to, that will be HER choice. How unfair it would be to her, if she does not want the entire world to know, for them to do it now. I truly admire their protectiveness of Josie but do hope if she has delays, they hire the best possible teachers to help her overcome any. Professional help is absolutely necessary.

Elspeth said...

Michelle has said in the past that Josie had some therapy. I believe it was at least speech therapy.

So sad said...

Normally, I would agree regarding privacy issues with Josie, or any other child for that matter.The HIPPA rules are in place for a reason. However, when you put your family in a reality TV show, or Ministry, you need to stop & think what you yourself, (Duggars) have exposed Josie, or any of your other young children to. For people who guard their modesty so closely, it didn't apply to Josie in the NICU. She was constantly shown naked in her isolet, even while Michelle insisted that she not be shown showing any skin while trying to nurse Josie. Michelle said on film, "you can show the baby's skin but not the mommas' skin". They knew Josie was being filmed & it was going to be shown to millions, in fact they wanted that. Just as they wanted the pictures of a miscarried fetus, Jubilee shown. They showed tiny hands & feet, in Michelle's hands with phrases about one tiny hand or one tiny foot making a difference. Where was their modesty or need for privacy then? Does any fetus have a choice in what is shown to millions, but now people have complaints about Josie' being shown with her ABC's. The Duggars are the ones that allowed that picture of Josie to be put that out there. If they value the child's privacy, they are the one that should think of that & keep it private. They are the parents & the should protect the privacy of their children. We wouldn't know about those pictures if they didn't put them out to be viewed. Their girls were still dressing in a way, so as not to "defraud" any boys & yet they had no problem with putting a daughter-in-law on film, on a toilet giving birth & they have made sure the film crew is there for all the home births, never knowing just what will happen or be shown. We all saw Josie suffering a terrible seizure & being rushed to the hospital by the paramedics & the Duggars never objected to that. Where was her privacy then? Sadly, no matter their age, those children are characters on a TV show, because that has been their parents choice. It's never going to be up to them to decide when they are older, if they want the public to know, or not know anything about them. The choice has already been made for them. The Duggars could have made the decision to throw the cameras out of the NICU when Josie was born. They didn't. They wanted all the publicity they could get. Again the ratings. Sadly, it's the children that suffer. You can't have it both ways.

Children Learn What They Live said...

Poor Josie. She has a dad who will gladly show the world her "accident" by flipping her so the cameraman can get a good picture to be shown on national tv and available from now on to anyone who wants to see it.

And he didn't care if he showed his dad on his last days when he was so feeble. It is all for the ratings.

I hope hd realizes what you sow, so shall ye reap.

Maybe in a few short years his kids will turn him around to show the world to show where he soiled himself.

For kids sake.. said...

Maybe they have wised up, in regards to their children's privacy, since the Josh scandal. Josie deserves to have her medical and physical records sealed. And her parents lips zipped. And the cameras out of her face. They all do! When they are adults they can spill the beans or write a book.

Very Sad said...

Jim Bob is a disgrace as both a dad & a son. It was disgusting the way they showed his dad on his death bed. I'll never forget them bringing him out to the table for his birthday cake in the wheelchair. His slipper fell off & one of the children tried to get it for him but Jim Bob said, to just forget it, it's fine. He wouldn't even put the slipper on his dad's foot. Then there was the incident mentioned, about Jim Bob holding Josie up so the cameras could get a good look at her accident. He was having a good laugh before he handed her off to one of the older sister moms to bath & change her. What a disgrace. I agree with the comments, "Children Learn What They Live," made. I hope what goes around, does in fact come around, & someday Jim Bob's children will be able to repay him for the embarrassing things he has shown the world about them. Right now they have no way to do that, as he holds the keys to the Kingdom..

Heart in Florida said...

What most of us would like to know is if the therapy that Josie did receive came from within their isolated community of 'self proclaimed professionals' OR from a real educated and trained therapist from the real medical world. Of course, they don't say.

Lost children said...

I don't believe the Duggars would let a professional from the medical world or educational world, anywhere near their children. They certainly didn't get a professional therapist for Josh or their molested daughters & if ever there was a need, that was it. They don't want anyone with an education to see what actually goes on in the Duggar household. Just because they are being filmed it doesn't mean that's what's really happening. The kids themselves have talked about being filmed & how they needed to repeat what they had already done for the cameras & do it right. When was the last time we saw any children being schooled? We hear about Laura being there to help with the schooling, but just who is she helping & exactly what are her qualifications? Jana can't possible have the time to homeschool the kids with everything else she has on her plate. I believe Jana is a wonderful young woman, but if she is one of the teachers, just what are her qualifications to be a teacher? I guess she has the same qualifications that Jessa had as a teacher to the younger kids. Jana already has a job as homemaker for the entire family. Nobody knows what goes on in that house.

About time... said...

For me, it is about when Josie grows up, do you really think she wants strangers to know she has medical issues and/or delays? Perhaps, she may not care and it may become a platform for her. But if she would rather not have that kind of criticism or be judged as less than her siblings (we all know people can be cruel!), it should remain a private issue in the family, for now. Just because those 2 narcissists are her parents, does not mean she should not have rights regarding her issues.

Debbie S said...

Don’t forget, Vert Sad, the “wheelchair” was an office desk chair, on wheels! The poor man could hardly sit up and they pushed him around like it was a game or something. So very, very, sad...

Ferrytails said...

If anyone believes what is shown on TLC is real, look up what another former reality star Jacob Roloff who tells how it was all staged. He was disgusted with it.

So all who believe it also probably believe In what Jacob's dad, Matt tweeted "ferry-tails" ROFLMAO

laura said...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/rachelheldevans.com/blog/the-abusive-teachings-of-michael-and-debi-pearl%3fformat=amp

Plastic rods mentioned in the sugar police report pertaining to the josh Duggan incidences.
Women created solely for men.
Joy anna pictured with her new baby in a fort rock t shirt, presumably when she and her husband were to give marriage advice, which as an uneducated(as someone pointed out, we do not have knowledge of her official GED, only some home printed Duggar Academy paper) teen bride and teen mother us real worlders will take very seriously.
Jill making a 2 year old walk a 2 hour round trip on a busy road for Precious fast food chicken.
Yes. This family has fans who become enraged at any questioning of their beliefs or actions. This is real life.

lisa Mcginess said...

wonder why the Duggars continue to support things that go against what they believe? Saw them in Waco again. If they never watch tv how could they know about the gains? The gains family is the total opposite of who the Duggars are seemed they are jealous of them since they have a large following and you can tell how happy they are and how much they love their children? How do they support schools they would not let their children go to any of those schools. Wonder if the Duggars even played football.

Ruby said...

Laura, "Jill making her two year old walk 2 hours round trip for Precious fast food chicken." What is their fascination with chik-fil-a? Precious christian chicken. Anything that is remotely christian they imagine tastes better. Christian chocolate milk, christian coffee, christian tacos, christian ice cream. I have heard others in the christian community go on about chik-fil-a like it is so superior to anything they've ever had in their whole entire life. Its just a chicken sandwich. Their fries are pretty good but it is certainly not worth a whole day excursion and it's own instagram post.

Christine said...

Ruby said "Anything that is remotely christian they imagine tastes better."

I think it's the Christian tribalism. I'm extrapolating based on what I've observed among (comparatively liberal) evangelicals and what I've seen in the press -- and then cranking it up to 11 to describe the Duggars.

The Bible paints a cosmic struggle between God and Satan and the Duggars are convinced that they are footsoldiers (or at least lieutenants) in this war. ALERT is part of their "military training" to build an army for God. That, and to get the boys to stop looking at porn.

They believe that it's them against the non-Christians in this world (which, to them, includes a lot of self-identified Christians who disagree with their beliefs). The non-Christians are either explicitly out to get them and "hate God and America" or are unwitting pawns of Satan who need to be saved. So the Duggars feel more secure when visiting publicly Christian business. They are "among friends" when they're paying for fast food at Chick-Fil-A. And perhaps there is also a placebo effect -- they keep on thinking it's "Christian" food, so they perceive it as tasting better.

Only Saying said...

Re: comments about the Duggars fascination with Chick-Fil-A. Please don't take offense but I don't believe they are so crazy about the food. It's more a case that the Duggars don't ever pay for any food at Chick-Fil-A. In fact, I don't think they pay at any of the places that they mention. It's just good advertising for whatever fast food place they choose to walk to, or dress up in costume for, so what if child has to walk 2 hours just to eat, as long as it's free. Remember Jim Bob always took all the kids to restaurants where kids ate free on certain nights of the week.

LilBit0318 said...

In fairness, I gotta say I think Chick fil A has the best chicken sandwiches out there, bar none, no matter what their political leanings or what values they espouse. And I'll admit to going for free food at places I like when there's an event where it's offered. Of course, I'm not walking miles to get to Chick fil A (Or any other restaurant...), and I'm not bringing a herd of dozens of people with me for the freebies.

laura said...

If they like religious chicken they should try Amish chicken and Amish eggs.
Best eggs and chicken I ever got to cook with and eat when I lived in Ohio.(never had my own chickens) Maybe they say a prayer before the bird's death. was sad when I moved back to CA, no fresh Amish produce or meat.

Laurie said...

Maybe she should learn how to cook her own chicken. She's home all day anyway.

Opie said...

Waco is an extremely religious community. It is called ‘Jerusalem on the Brazos’. Lots of churches and churchy hypocrites. I am sure they feel comfortable there. Magnolia Table is a breakfast restaurant that Chip and Joanna Gaines opened recently.

Happy Girl said...

I cannot believe that Joy & Austin who married on May 18th 2017, are going to be giving marital advice. My hubby & I have been married 68yrs. & I'm not sure we're qualified to be giving marital advice to anyone.

Mickey2942 said...

Let them give advice, while they know "everything". And really, Michelle and JB, giving marriage advice? Right. Just like their stellar performance as parents.

35 years here...and, I don't hardly do anything I am told! I wear jeans, and yet, he is still here.

roddma said...

I am not surprised Josie runs behind.Even so, non preemie children can run behind. Kids learn at different paces and it sad to see them being pushed so hard at 2 and 3 to read and just because a few gifted ones can do advanced work they get labeled behind. Running a grade or two behind may not be a huge deal but not knowing times tables at 12 is a different matter. Then add the fact the DUggars don't seem to value education even if a 3/4 yr old showed interest in reading.

sandi said...

People like the Duggars are the reason many restaurants changed their policy to 'one child eats free,per paying adult'.Kids eating free was meant for a normal size family,not ppl like JB,who likes to take advantage of it

Hawaii sun said...

Derik ran a marathon today? He doesn’t strike me as the type to make it 26.2 miles or train for it

Aunt Bea said...

How did Derick run a marathon when they did an episode about him vomiting when running? Remember that quack doctor sent him to an allergist? We never heard an update about Derick's condition. After publicizing running in a marathon, an explanation from Derick and Jill would be fitting as to how he could have done this without throwing up.

Goodie said...

Derek did the half- marathon.

Sharla said...

Derick did the full marathon: https://runsignup.com/Race/Results/32945/IndividualResult/PckQ?#U26620590

Sharla said...

Comments suggesting diagnosing a less than one year old baby based on a few photos will not be published. Check Jill's instagram for a video of Israel and Sam playing at Focus on the Family.

Irsula said...

Derick has proven himself to be healthy and fit enough to go to work, perhaps even help build a Habitat for Humanity home, rather then hang out on the computer making rude remarks or eating in restaurants......or begging for money.

Missi said...

Why is Jill posting pictures of the dinner she prepared for Derick instead of pictures of him running the race & finishing it?

Goodie said...

Sharla, thanks for the correction. I guess it proves you can’t believe everything on the internet!

Tori said...

Missi: She posted a story on instagram where she ran onto the road during the race and took his shirt from him, and then talking to the kids in the car pointing out papa to Izzy. She also posted a picture of Derick looking very fresh at the finish line. As much as I don't like him completing a marathon is some achievement but as someone else commented rather have him running a marathon instead of his mouth!

durl said...

Where in the world did Derick find time to train for a marathon?

Ruby said...

Derick has 40+ hours a week in which he is not working to train for a marathon. Must be nice.

Missi said...

Re: Tori's comment. Thanks for the information on Derick's run in the marathon. Surprising isn't it how he could look very fresh at the finish line? Since I live in Boston, where the Boston Marathon just took place & it's something we are used to seeing people training for all yr. it reminded me of a number of yrs. ago, when a couple of runners finished looking "fresh" also. Turns out they actually had jumped in & out of the race for the entire marathon. Fortunately, officials caught on to them & they didn't receive the accolades they were expecting, instead they were shamed. Do most people realize how much time & effort these runners put into a marathon? I wonder just how Derick's preparation for this run was kept so quite? As mentioned, I know what goes into a full marathon & the runners are usually in excellent physical shape, follow strict diets all yr. & are in full training for at least 364 out of 365 days a yr. One young man yesterday, said he was training in 1 degree weather this past winter. The great physical condition, proper diet all yr. & full on training doesn't resemble Derick, in my opinion.

Advise for the Dillards said...

I think it's about time Jill & Derick's fans pointed out to them, that if Derick is in such great physical shape & able to run a full marathon, he can certainly work at least a 40 hr. a week job to support his family. Does anybody know how many men in the Duggar family & extended family, actually work a 40 hr. week? Getting up in the morning by 6 a.m at the very latest & heading off to work for at least an 8 hr. day. Do they know there is an 6 a.m.? I believe most people actually work far more than a 40 hr. week. They may have a second job, or they may be attending college at night. My husband worked 2 jobs while he attended college & so did my son.

Granada said...

I do not think it possible that Derick ran the full marathon and then shows up at the finish like all fresh. Jill & Derick post every thing about their lives.....when did he run every day to train and what about a runner's diet? A carb meal before the race is just not good enough. These people are full of scams....is this one of them?

Missi said...

Re: Granada's comments. I totally agree with everything you said. As I mentioned, when you are used to being around marathon runners while they train all yr. you know they are in top notch condition & have an excellent diet. You're correct that one, or even a couple of carb meals, would never be enough to carry a runner through the race. Many members of my family have run the Boston marathon, as well as the New York & others. Almost everyone has a neighbor or family friend who has at one time or another trained for the race & believe me you know who they are. They are in great physical condition, followed an excellent diet & train in the worst possible conditions. They are almost always people who also work a fulltime job, while they train for the marathon. Many medical Dr's run the race, as well as police & firefighters, who work extremely long hours. I agree that something is again, amiss in the Jill & Derick saga. I saw what Jill had posted & although she kept telling Izzy, "there's Papa, there's Papa," the child constantly was asking, "where"?

Debbie said...

I find it odd that they never posted one word about his training. As far as the picture, It’s possible he returned and took the picture a while later. His official times are posted and it looks like he did actually run. His group is listed 8th down. Not sure what or how the different catagories work. I found this in the “mixed group” category https://sharphuecdn.blob.core.windows.net/regwiz/events/306/993/marathon-age-group.htm

Debbie said...

I see how the marathon results are posted, now. You can also see his results on the “overall” page. Place 98.

Reality said...

Actually, pasta is the best thing you can eat the night before a race. It helps sustain your energy. My son was taught this in cross country/track. They always recommended pasta dinners the night before a race. The coach and his wife would even hold pasta potluck dinners at his house the night before a big race. So, I do think Derick ate what was appropriate prior to the marathon.

Missi said...

Re: Reality's comments. I absolutely agree that pasta is the number 1 meal for marathon runners before a race. They always show the free pasta meals given to runners by restaurants in Boston & I'm sure in other big cities, the night before the marathon. This is just to reinforce how important carbs are. One meal at home is not sufficient for a marathon race. You also need to load up on carbs when training for a run. Again, I wish they had shown Derick's practice routine, with Derick following a good diet for many weeks, being checked out by a Dr., as well as his practice runs. Again the Dillard's are always just throwing out these accomplishments, as if you can get up & decided that's what you'll do tomorrow or even next week, when we know all the preparation this involves.

Ruby said...

You know, some people are natural runners. They find running easy and enjoy it. Derick doesn't strike me as a try-hard, so he must just be good at it. Good for him. What I wish is for him to keep his religion and politics to himself and focus on providing for his family both financially and socially, emotionally, etc. If that includes fun activities like a road race, that's fine. Get a job, Derick! No one cares about your opinions.

Mickey2942 said...

https://www.google.com/amp/www.intouchweekly.com/posts/is-jill-duggar-a-licensed-midwife-158467.amp

I think this article is incorrect, Jill is certified as a midwife, but certification is not the same as licensure. I reviewed the website for lay midwife licensure in Arkansas, and it requires far more extensive training than Jill currently has, including a GED.

The website on licensure is quite interesting, particularly the information about how many hours a woman can be in labor, and when medical attention should be called.

And there is a huge difference between a licensed nurse midwife, and lay midwife.

Elouise said...

I have heard Anna referred to Jim, Bob as 'Papa' when talking to her kids. Now I hear Jill calling Derick Papa when talking to Izzy.

So when Izzy is talking to say, Michael and Izzy says Papa meaning his dad and Michael thinks it means their Grandpappy....that might be a bit confusing.

Mickey2942 said...

https://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/programs-services/topics/licensed-lay-midwifery

Here is the website for Arkansas, Jill is not licensed or even in training, the names are all listed.

Professional Nurse said...

I read that Jill said she assisted, "Vanessa" in delivering a baby this past week. I immediately thought that was the name of the "midwife," who lost her license for a birth that ended with a baby being born with birth defects, when Vanessa wouldn't call an ambulance in 2014, when the mom begged to be taken to the hospital. As far as Jill being a midwife, I doubt the truth will ever be told. As I looked at her "Licensure Paper" all I could think of was how the Duggars have their own "Duggar Academy," for high school graduates. Nowadays anyone can make up anything on the computer. Jill definitely does not have the education necessary for her to be delivering these babies. Please Jill stop & think. When it came time for your own babies, you got yourself to the hospital, are you really educated enough to make that kind of decision for another mother? Jill needs a GED, a nurses license, as well as advanced midwifery training & exams & not anything taken over the internet. You need practical training in a hospital, under the direction of a Licensed Nurse Midwife. This is a slippery slope, calling someone a Professional Midwife, when they have no nursing degree. This Licensed lay-midwife is a joke, but not a funny one. As I licensed nurse, I continue to renew my license every 2 yrs. although, at the present time, I' m not employed outside my home due to medical issues. However, I have assisted close friends & neighbors in needs of nursing service if possible, i.e. sitting up at night while family members got some sleep as well, as noting any serious changes that call for a Dr.'s intervention, or something beyond my level of skill, but I would never feel comfortable without my nursing license in my pocket, as well as keeping up on medical advances, while I am not working in a hospital setting. These are life & death situations & you need to have the proper education as well as the proper credentials, before putting yourself out there as a health professional

Elspeth said...

Jill is not and never has been a licensed midwife. She passed the certificate exam to become a CPM. It's a "certification" cooked up by a group of lay midwives to give themselves some differentiation from the completely untrained lay midwives. Jill has never claimed to be a Nurse Midwife which is something it's doubtful she'll ever be able to attain.

Sunny days said...

I finally watched the episode where Joy gives birth. Why does Jim bib always say he can’t believe so and so is having a baby? That is what they are raised to do right after they get married and since they don’t believe in birth control pregnancy usually occurs. He needs to start coming up with different canned comments

lisa Mcginess said...

anyone see that new picture of Johanna duggar she will be 13 this year . I hope she is not the next maid for her family. She looks like jinger in that picture.

Unbeliveable said...

There was a Bill in the Arkansas State Legislature to amend & update the "Licensed Lay Midwife Act;" and change the term "Licensed Lay Midwife," to "Licensed Midwife." Bill #HB1814 was introduced on 3/2/17. This Bill was withdrawn on 3/8/17. The sponsors of this bill were Rep. Warwick Sabin & Rep Bob Ballinger. I mean no offense to anyone in AR. but who would submit a Bill that would be harmful to the health & safety of the State's residents? Young women would rightly believe that women like Jill Duggar Dillard, absolutely have the proper education & professional training to be; Licensed Midwives, when nothing could be further from the truth. That Bill would have made it possible for many, many more young women, like Jill to be able to hang out their shingle as a Professional Midwife. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read it. You can just look up; Arkansas State Legislature,Bill # HB1814 & date 3/2/17 for details.

Ellie On a Roll said...

In recent photos (this weekend at Jason's 18th birthday party) Grandma Duggar is looking very thin and frail. I'm wondering if she has a serious health situation?

On a different topic, has anyone else noticed that no matter what the celebration, a photo of Josie is always posted? I do feel terrible for Jordan, Jenny and Johanna.

Christine said...

Unbelievable brought up a midwife bill introduced by Rep. Bob Ballinger in 2017. His son Bobby Jr. is married to Austin's sister Meagan. I wonder if Rep Ballinger was lobbied to introduce the bill by the Duggar family.

http://fundamentalists.wikia.com/wiki/Bobby_Ballinger_Jr.

Mickey2942 said...

The scary thing about the CNP website, is that a certified Midwife, has to do so many "births", that have no hospital intervention, in order to "count" for the certification! How crazy is that?! So, any birth that required medical attention, the "midwife" cannot use as "credit". Unbelievable.

Unbelievable said...

Thanks Christine for the information Re: Rep Bob Ballinger's sons relationship to Austin's sister. When I read about that bill, I actually was wondering if either of the Reps. sponsoring the bill were friends, or had any extended family relationships to the Duggars. I guess that answers my question. I will never understand a bill that could potentially endanger women's lives, for no other reason than that unedcated women could practice midwifery. Thank God it was removed but is probably one of those things you need to keep an eye on, is case it is ever introduced with different language, at a later date. I'm so glad I live in a state that has strict laws re:education & licensure of any health care personnel. If you can't trust your legislature to watch out for your health & welfare I don't know who you can trust. If I was a resident of AR.,I would question the caliber of the Reps. who would submit a bill such as this.

roddma said...

Without trying to sound like I'm defending the DUggars who can blame them for not wanting to get up at 6.a.m? Not everyone works 9-5 day jobs and working evening/midnight shifts doesnt make you lazy. The thing is they have no schedule or real job..

Willow said...

Rather than spend the time and effort to have extended family members introduce flimsy bills (notice it was pulled after only a few days), why don't Jill and her "classmates" just spend the effort to get the real licensure required and be done with it? Thanks for the info in that post, good find.

SAHM & Working Mom said...

I don't believe that because you don't get up at 6 a.m. to go to work it means you are lazy. Everyone knows there are thousands of jobs that have various shifts. I am a nurse & worked many yrs. from 11p.m. to 7a.m. Many people didn't think I worked at all, as they knew I was home during the day. My car was always there. It was a grueling shift, as although I was exhausted when I arrived home, my husband who had been at home with the children, was then off to work & I would get my children off to school, probably throw in a wash & do a few things I deemed necessary around the house. I would then see by the clock that if I didn't get a few (very few) hours of sleep, it would then be time to take my children to after school activities, soccer practice, the Dentist or Dr's appointments. In other words, I had another full day of work. Most of the women I worked with did the same thing. You always felt like you were in a fog, from lack of a good deep nights sleep. My husband worked just as hard. He worked all day as an engineer, changed clothes after work & cleaned offices in the building where he worked. We did this so we could have a home, one car & live "debt free," as the Duggars have always claimed they have. However, we didn't have anyone who wanted to rent space for a cell phone tower on our property, or anyone dropping off donations at our home. We were average working people & there are thousands like us who don't loll around until noon or later because they are up more than half the night. I don't understand parents who raise their children to believe it's not necessary to got up in the morning for anything, not school, not work, no schedule at all. They just loll around the house at night staying up till they fall asleep where the are. The only time I ever saw them shown getting up at 5:30a.m. & all complaining bitterly about it was when they were going to be featured on the "Today Show." Do they honestly believe these kids will never need a job to provide for these large families they appear to be starting? Someday, someone is going to need to have a real job & a real schedule & they won't have a clue about how to handle that. Most of us learned that from our hard working parents.

Say Jeopardy said...

Re:Mickey2942's comment about the Certified Midwives needing to do so many home births, without hospital intervention, in order for these births to count. This would explain why these Lay Midwifes such as Jill, are more than a little hesitant to involve outside medical care, no matter how warranted it may be.

Tori said...

Joshs latest attempt to sue officials in his home state has hit another stumbling block. The officials are standing their ground and have said are denying him 'any relief', and if it is to proceed they would like it to be in front of a jury. This all boils down to money, going after a claim that was alredy thrown out once before smacks of desperation. Josh has no remorse for what he did and thinks he is the victim and has suffered, no thought given to his sisters and what he put them through. I think we will see this case disappear as Josh does not have the guts to risk the possibility of being grilled in court, or have a jury judge him. It will be interesting to see how this pans out!

Mickey2942 said...

When I watched the show, years ago, the most outrageous thing was the constant comment about "Duggar Time", a plan to leave at 8 am, usually meant about 12 pm! Laugh, no problem, it's "Duggar Time"! WTH?!

I wonder how their adult children are doing with this concept of time mismanagement.

Willow said...

In addition to not getting up on time in the morning, the Duggars, appear to often be late for appointments throughout the day. Late at 8 a.m, late at 2 p.m. They have no discipline. Remember Josh when he and Anna were late for an appointment with Dr. Sarver? He was so rude about it. It was all about him. This is another reason they avoid professionals as much as possible, imo. Not much respect or consideration for others. I cannot imagine Erin Bates being carelessly late for an appointment with Dr. Vick (her OB doctor). O.k., I'm done now. :)

Christine said...

I don't mind the Duggars getting up late in the morning. I work in tech and it's quite normal to see engineers coming into the office at 9 or 9:30am. Engineers tend to start their days later because a lot of them are insomniacs.

However, if you have an appointment, you need to keep it. Doesn't matter how early in the morning it is.

Also, the Duggars don't have a lot of education, so they don't have a ton of job opportunities and thus not much flexibility in schedule if they wanted decent, paying jobs outside of reality TV and the church. If you want a job where you can sleep in, you have to be well-educated and work in certain fields (like engineering).

If Joseph (who has a CDL) wanted to become a bus driver, he probably couldn't get much work if he wasn't willing to be out the door at 6am. If Josiah had gone to college and become an accountant, he'd probably be able to come into work at 9am every morning if he wanted to.

SAHM&Working Mom said...

Re: Willow's comment about when Josh & Anna were running late for their appt. with Dr. Sarver. Absolutely, Josh had no respect or consideration, for either Anna, or Dr. Sarver. It was Anna's first pregnancy & her first Dr.'s appt. with Dr. Sarver. I remember because Josh was running late towing a truck or car to his car lot. He told Anna, " I'm sure the Dr. will wait for us." Anna was so nervous about this first appt. & he couldn't have cared less. Most Dr.'s don't allow patients to arrive whenever the want. It just shows you the world they live in...the Duggar world. Most Dr.'s would take the next patient that was waiting in their office & charge you for being late & wasting their time. He owned his own business & he couldn't arrange to clear his schedule to get his wife to her first Dr.'s appt. No wonder they want home births & no prenatal care, that way they are in charge of everything themselves & can show up whenever they feel like it, if they even feel like showing up.

Just saying said...

I've noticed that they don't often mention "Duggar Time" anymore. Apparently it wasn't popular with the average working person, or anyone who needs to keep a schedule. Just about everything revolves around a schedule; school, jobs, Dr's appointment, & every other type of appointment. I remember that many people wondered just how "Duggar Time," was going to work for Josh, when he went to work in Washington D.C. They showed him getting ready to leave for his job a few times & you would have thought he was the only person who ever had to get up in the morning & go to work, he complained so much. Good thing he had a good paycheck & all the benefits that came with that job. Michelle & Jim Bob did those kids no favors, in more ways than one, the way they were raised.

lisa Mcginess said...

i agree the Duggar are working people? John David is a very hard worker from what I saw he does everything. I think somehow he knows more than daddy does. Jana works hard also doing most of the mommy stuff around the house? As for the others, I cannot say never really saw them have a work accept what ever daddy says to do. You do not have to have a schedule according to nine to five but they do need to show some type of work. The Duggar will never admit they do not hold jobs the married kids all depend on the show to support them? Most people hold jobs but anyone in that Gothad ministry holds no job outside of the home? The family has no ambition do work or do anything?

Missi said...

Re:Josh & his lawsuit. He's just like Derick. Actually they are all alike, with the possible exceptions of John. They don't know how to work a real job, instead they are always looking for a way out, either by suing someone or coming up with a GOFUNDME page, or entering a 3yr. old in a contest to win money for the family. The apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree in that family.

sandi said...

I recall one of the pics posted;Josh was still on the freeway around 10am.I don't think he was required to arrive early at frc.It would surprise me if he ever got stuck in any traffic jams that occur in DC on weekday mornings.
I agree,the Duggars are opportunists and look for any way they can to get money,instead of earning it.
As for Dr Sarver,I'm guessing Josh figured she wasn't going anywhere,waiting on the tlc paycheck,same as him.He wasted tlc's time as well

Linda said...

Or the whole being late for Dr. Sarver was just as staged as many other events with the Duggars.

Sharla said...

The tabloid story of Jill starting a midwife business is nonsense they made up based on a hashtag she put in a post about helping Venessa with one birth.

Trish said...

Dilly is at it again. Now he's upset with Nate Berkus and his partner, raising a little girl. "Degrading to children" was his line.

Uhm....kinda think everything about the Duggars is degrading to children, and women too. Not really too great for the young men either when you think about it.

Pretty sure being molested is, you know, "degrading" too.

Annarosa said...

It is reported by the Duggars and the woman who runs their blog that all the Duggars were at the Bates wedding except Jeremy and Jinger. If you caught the Wedding did you notice the three rows of people that seemed to be photoshopped
out of the wedding? Since the Duggars
weren't seen do you think that is why those big gaps in the middle of the seating were
seen? You never see the Duggars on the Bates show and vice versa but they do see each other.

Sunshine said...

I keep reading that Jim Bob has convinced his children that they are volunteers on the TLC show/ministry. I don't know if there is any truth to this or not but you would think that there would be someone in authority who watches out for these children & young adults on reality shows. I can't believe that Kate Gosselin & Jim Bob can get away with selling their children to reality TV with no bank accounts for these children, who lets face it are working for their parents gain. I also can't believe that Josh or Derick would go along with being a volunteer. Does anyone know if these children are getting the pay they are due?

laura said...

Someone needs to take Derrick dullards phone away and put him in the corner standing up in a room alone with no electronics for at least a month.
He needs to learn a valuable lesson about do unto others....
And uh oh.... He might be filling his kids heads with his stupid opinions.
Whats he so angry about anyways?
If he had a real job he might not have time to be angry about how others live their lives and live his own instead....

Willow said...

I did see Grandma D and Deanna during one brief panning of the audience at Tori B's wedding, but I did not notice anyone else from the Duggar family. I thought her wedding was beautiful except for one tiny thing. I thought the décor on the stage itself was kind of tacky and skimpy. Did anyone else think that? The trees in the aisle were very pretty and the whole bridal party was beautiful. I was just a little surprised at a couple of things. Overall, though, I thought it was very nice. Nice music also. Tori was absolutely gorgeous!

Willow said...

Joy finally posted a couple of cute pics of Gideon. He is a doll. Newborns when they first start laughing are the best.

Shelly said...

Jilly Muffin and her pathetic husband need to STOP trying to be relevant on social media. They are just reinforcing the opinion that they are dim-witted morons. Jill’s dangerous use of a baby car seat and an umbrella stroller is a new low in dumb even for her. Just because her mother used car seats and umbrella strollers together doesn’t make it safe. Actually, Michelle Duggar would be the last person I would look to for childcare hints. Jill got crucified on Instagram with her dangerous “trick” (her word) and she still didn’t remove the post. She’s a Duggar and Duggars are smarter than the rest of us. I’d be surprised if CPS didn’t swoop in and check for any other dangerous “tricks” she is using on her innocent children. Parenting classes might be a good place for Jill and a potential lifesaver for those children.
Derick’s latest tirade about gays having children was embarrassing. I’m surprised that the church (Cross Church?) Derick is affiliated with stands back and does nothing when Derick is on one of these rants. He seems hell-bent on portraying Christians as rabid haters. He should do himself and the rest of the world a huge favour and put the phone down then fade into obscurity. He has nothing important to share.

Another Nurse said...

It just makes me furious to hear that Jill Duggar is starting up her midwife business. She is not a professional anything & this is a dangerous practice she' embarking on. I guess I'm just extremely jealous of the fact that I spent years studying & doing practical training in order to take a 2 day test (yes Jill 2 days not a few hours) to obtain my nursing license. I also need to take courses every 2 yrs. & & spend a sum of money to renew my license, if I want to work as a nurse. I cannot just tell people I am a nurse & show some piece of paper that may or may not be legit.

Linda said...

Jill isn't starting a midwife practice. First she'd have to get licensed in Arkansas. A tabloid took that and made it up from a hashtag on a post Jill made.

Emma said...

Shelly I agree that Michelle Duggar is the last person I would take childcare advice from, who could forget her spoon feeding one of her babies while it lay flat on its back, or taking pictures when her young son fell into an orchestra pit and had to go to hospital! Birthing 19 kids only means you birthed 19 kids, it does not automatically qualify you as a good mother. As for Derick Cross Church will not say anything, as I suspect they all hold the same views, remember when Derick invited members of the LBGTQ community to his church, that same week they were hosting Ricky Chelette form live hope ministries who 'helps' people leave the gay lifestyle, think that sums up their stance. Derick is butt hurt he lost his place on the show, and is probably on Jimbobs naughty step for outting himself as a volunteer on the show raising the question of where the money went. He says TLC didn't want them to leave, and that was why they didn't release a statement at the time. I wish TLC would release a statement and set the record straight and shut him up!

Sunny skies said...

Correct me if I am wrong but Derrick tries to defend his Nate berkus post by saying he is against families subjecting their kids to being on reality tv on TLC. Why doesn’t he post about little people, big world or little couple. They have their children on the show but they are Christians so his argument doesn’t hold true in my mind.

My Advise said...

I wonder jut how often these midwifes have to renew their licenses? Almost every medical professional, i.e. x-ray tech, dental techs., nurses, medical assistants, need to keep up with the their licenses every 2 yrs. This involves mandatory courses, as well as money for the renewal. You don't just become a medical professional & that's it for the rest of your life. I don't believe for minute that Jill has been doing this ever since she became a Licensed Midwife or Lay Midwife, or whatever ever she chooses to call herself. I have a word or two for any woman who wants to use Jill as a midwife...don't do it!

I Wonder said...

Is Jill going to have her midwife business in AR. since she had to go to OK. to assist her former mentor, who had her AR. license revoked & is now practicing in another state. Since Jill traveled to OK.to assist Vanessa as the midwife, is she allowed to practice in AR.? At one time, Vanessa's midwife students were no loner considered any type of students or midwifes, as their mentor had her license revoked. What's the story? How does Jim Bob feel about his daughter supporting her husband & children even if it is "women's work?"

Elspeth said...

Jill has never been a licensed midwife. She either did not take the Arkansas test or failed it, or was not qualified to take it because the state disallowed her training with Venessa. As far as we know, Jill went to OK to be present at ONE birth. The whole Jill is practicing came from one hashtag on one post picked up and blown out of proportion by tabloid website. Jill is NOT allowed to practice legally as a midwife in AR until she gets licensed there. As an unpaid person she may assist as anyone can help deliver a baby. She can not hang out a shingle, call herself a midwife, and accept payment for her services in AR.

OK does not license midwives. Anyone can basically claim to be a midwife there. That's why Venessa moved when she lost her license in AR. It would currently be impractical for Jill to try to practice in OK. If when Derick finishes his made up "ministry" course, they decide to move to OK, then Jill might go into practice with Venessa. We can only hope she doesn't try to set up on her own.

Mickey2942 said...

Sure, having a baby picture in utero at the mall, is the same as an actual sonogram with a professional and review by a doctor...

I would have hoped with the issues the Duggars have had with home births, that the sense at this time, is that hospitals are needed, with doctors. End the stubborn dogma, that home births are perfectly safe for everyone.

roddma said...

IMO punctuality and flexibility, which the Duggars lack, are more important than the getting up time. Night owls have what is called delayed sleep phase. They still get a lot of flack and judgement since we live a society that still worships early risers. I still try to cut the Duggars some slack although they coud work on punctuality..
I don't think we see enough of the Bateses to know if they arrive on time for everything. I did read somewhere Gil started work about noon, which is odd for a tree service.

Willow said...

Yes, the Bates are always late also. Its been shown many times. They joke about it, like the Duggars, and call themselves "Late Bates". That is not to say, however, that every single married couple is carrying on that tradition. Chad Paine has regular jobs and I am sure he has to be on time.

Tori said...

I read somewhere recently that Chad has set up his own business making furniture and nursery furniture. Erin has posted many pictures on instagram of renovations and things he has made and people were always saying he should make these for a living. Its a big step to give up the security of a regular job and start up your own business, and I am sure the 'celebrity' element doesn't hurt sales. Not something I see any of the Duggar boys doing, they have to work for daddy, who is apparently branching out into the RV park business if reports are true, wonder who will be put in charge of Duggar trailer park?

Tator Tot said...

Elspeth since you mentioned that about Venessa.... I have lived in OK for many yrs but have never known anyone who used a midwife, so I am very curious where she thumb tacked her shingle.

sandi said...

I read Chad was flipping houses?
In any event,I sense that Gil and his father,both on the ATI board,didn't like him working a secular job,and wanted him to start his own biz.That's what ATI prefers.I hope he wasn't pressured into it.He seems very talented,though

Mickey2942 said...

Duggar Trailer Park? Probably, every Duggar will have a trailer in the park to live in, I don't see many of the Duggar men being too overly eager to work much. They can live in the park, with their woman, and numerous children.

And really, how many missionaries and preachers can the world support? Even the Duggar son in laws, don't seem to be too motivated. Perhaps Jeremy...

And, didn't the Caldwell's move to the Duggar compound with their children?

Willow said...

Wow. Interesting that the Caldwells might be living on the Duggar compound. That is just too intense to even formulate a comment on. I hope we will find for sure at some point. I had heard that about the Swansons as well. As far as the "men" not working in the Duggar world, I have to even question Jeremy. Perhaps he will be a pastor at a larger church some day and have to work more hours, but I don't think he is working a whole lot now. He does a lot of reading though, lol. That can be exhausting (not). Is the swimming pool guest house mansion sitting empty right now?

lisa Mcginess said...

guess kendra sister will be courting one of those twin duggar boys soon?

Mickey2942 said...

The cult does not want the followers to actually be exposed to reality. Keep them away from the real world. Surrounded by other cult members, they are less likely to leave.

Mickey2942 said...

My bad, it was the Swanson's who moved to the Compound, Lauren Swanson is the newest Duggar courtship, and her whole family, moved to Tonitown, from Georgia to be with her, seven siblings, Mama, Daddy, and her Mother is pregnant, of course.

Josiah and Lauren, He is 21, he seems younger to me.