Monday, February 14, Duggars All Aboard

When Joy Anna turns 13 the family celebrates Duggar-style with a train ride adventure and an ice cream party. But when the train has some unexpected guests will her birthday celebration come to a sudden stop?

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113 comments:

Allison said...

I don't usually mind repeat performances of Duggar activities. Volunteering? Sure. Animal adventures? That's OK. Dinners with "friends." I can take it or leave it. But seriously? A train ride? Can't they come up with *anything* more interesting for Joy's birthday? I just cannot believe she'd be into that. Not to mention they've done train rides before. I can't think of anything more mind-numbing than watching other people on a kiddie train.

Anonymous said...

"Duggars All Aboard!"???


More like: "Duggars. All Are BORED"

hipopononymous said...

Tell me how many of the Duggar kids want to go on a train ride-- I'll bet it's just those under 8. I went on a train ride at 10 and wanted to to jump out, it was so slow and boring.

And, for a 13-year-old's birthday, at that! Poor kid. Too bad the train ride is the most exciting thing that will happen to her in the next few years-- it's probably heaven compared to her (at least) 5-year sentence to diaper duty, pushing strollers around during "educational" field trips, and KP.

Anonymous said...

Is it a kiddie train for sure? I was thinking it was a real train ride, like Amtrak, from the description. If it is a kiddie ride I can understand people saying JoyAnna couldn't possibly want that but if it is like Amtrak that would be an awesome birthday present. I love taking a train somewhere because it is different from other types of transportation. There is something sort of romantic about train rides, dining cars, etc. I think she will have a great time and I a curious who the guests are. My first guess was the Bates but I don't see why that would possibly bring the ride to a stop... any guesses?

Jen said...

"I a curious who the guests are. My first guess was the Bates but I don't see why that would possibly bring the ride to a stop... any guesses?"

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My guess based on the preview is that the "guests" are the cowboys that hold up/"rob" the train, like on the train ride at Silver Dollar City.

It will be fun to see if that is what the "guests" are or if they have friends or a "guest star" stop by

mythoughtis said...

The commercials (so this is not a spoiler) show train robbers. So it sounds to me like a entertainment ride such as the Halloween train roides many zoos put on in the fall. Substitute fake train robbers for monsters.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I love JoyAnna. Happy Birthday darling!

Anonymous said...

The train ride is one of those where "robbers" hold up the train. (That's the "surprise".)

Anonymous said...

"I a curious who the guests are. My first guess was the Bates but I My guess based on the preview is that the "guests" are the cowboys that hold up/"rob" the train, like on the train ride at Silver Dollar City.

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So, is this yet another example to the kids of why 'WE' don't venture much off the Duggar compound, because the big world is full of sinners like these train robbers?

Allison said...

So, is this yet another example to the kids of why 'WE' don't venture much off the Duggar compound,

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It seems like they're venturing off the Duggar compound all the friggin' time. That's why these "field trip" episodes are so doggone boring. Been there, done that. They go off on a "field trip" or out-of-state trip nearly every episode. I mean, are they *ever* home??

Anonymous said...

TLC must be running out of ideas. I remember the Gosselins went on that same trip with the robbers showing up.

I don't think, at this point, that Jim Bob cares if the show is making any difference. The fact is that they certainly are not going to give up that money. I don't think it matters who is sponsoring the show. Jim Bob speaks out of both sides of his mouth. If he had any values or principles, he would be very concerned who is paying for his children to perform.

Anonymous said...

Do you think the reason they go on so many field trips is because they don't want to show all of their home life?

Anonymous said...

Could someone enlighten me as to how a degree could be earned in 18 months on line when it would take 3 years for the same degree while physically attending College. It just does not compute.

I guess everyone should just stay at home and obtain their degrees sitting at a computer. As usual with the Duggars, they find ways to keep the strangle hold on their children, keeping them at home, rather than mixing with the rest of humanity. It boggles the mind.

Anonymous said...

The Duggar field trips would be far more meaningful if they weren't all enmasse.

The fact that even the oldest girls never seem to leave Duggarville unless accompanied by several other family members is weird. And sad.

Anonymous said...

I think the Duggars and fans use the term "degree" very loosely.

I'm thinking the 'degrees' the Duggars talk about are something less than accredited programs on a college level.

Anonymous said...

Could someone enlighten me as to how a degree could be earned in 18 months on line when it would take 3 years for the same degree while physically attending College. It just does not compute.
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Honestly this day in age lots of people obtain online degrees and many degree programs have year round, accelarated curriculum.This is not just the Duggars.

Anonymous said...

"Could someone enlighten me as to how a degree could be earned in 18 months on line when it would take 3 years for the same degree while physically attending College. It just does not compute."

The CollegePlus! program that they're using is sort of like a tutoring program for CLEP tests, I guess. With CLEP, you basically earn college credits through passing exams. It's legit, and a lot of colleges accept CLEP credits.

Anonymous said...

The field trips are inane, and just highlight how the parents continue to infantalize their oldest children. I honestly can't believe what they expect their 20 year olds to endure.

20 year olds should be out socializing with friends (that they choose), going to school, work, making decisions on their own, not riding around on kiddie trains and pushing the strollers of and sleeping in the same bedrooms as their toddler siblings.

mythoughtis said...

Some of the online degrees are well received in the business arena, some are not. I suppose a company that just accepts your degree without caring where it is from will hire people with an online degree, and then weed the so-so ones out along the way. The Duggars will get hired for the celebrity, and will remain hired for a while, but then they will have to succeed or fail like everyeone else. But, since they all seem to want to be self-employed, no one will really look to see where their degree is from.

My college age son took a couple online courses, and hated them. He felt the classroom experience - feeding off of others ideas, facial expressions, etc to be a valuable part of the experience. He currently is at a community collage, living at home, so we are not even discussing the dorm life, etc yet - that's next year.
IMO, the Duggar adult offspring still need that time away from family and adult supervision to complete maturing. Even when Jana and John David went to Indonesia, they went under the supervision of someone who could tell them they couldn't leave their rooms (which the guy did - he said so in the Trip blog).

Anonymous said...

The College Plus program uses CLEP tests to shorten the length of time considerably. Also, to comment on them only leaving on trips enmasse and the older ones never getting to go out without the younger there was the trip to Chicago for Jessa and Jinger and the missions trip for Jana and John.

Anonymous said...

A lot of these on-line for-profit institutions have been under fire recently, because people cannot get jobs with those diplomas. They aren't even worth the paper they are printed on, much less tens of thousands of dollars (which many, although apparently not the Duggars, are going into debt for).

Makes much more sense to go to a legit community college or regional state school.

Anonymous said...

IF the home school programs used by the Duggars are of high quality and meet high college prep standards, WHY do the Duggar kids seem to need so much extra time ('graduate' at 16, but at 20 still have not enrolled in a normal college) and tutoring (including CLEP) simply to ready themselves for entry into the most basic curriculum at the most academically basic colleges?

Allison said...

Also, to comment on them only leaving on trips enmasse and the older ones never getting to go out without the younger there was the trip to Chicago for Jessa and Jinger and the missions trip for Jana and John.

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Those trips might be away from the "babies" but they weren't really independent trips. First of all, the film crew came with them on both trips, which I think added a bit of security for Michelle and Jim Bob. Second, both of those trips were definitely supervised. Both trips also had family friends attend, and were supervised by other Christian adults.

However, I think it's hard to say what these kids do on their own free time. It's been said in a couple interviews that the crew is there Tuesday-Thursday for 2-3 hours each day, or on one long "field trip" day. I imagine that they want these "group" trips because it gives the crew an opportunity to film all of them all at once and it doesn't require as much time to film. I'm not saying that's how it is, but it's reasonable to believe.

mythoughtis said...

I would like to see the Duggars take only the appropriately aged children on any specific field trip. For example. the train ride - surely there are some children that are either too young (scared by the 'robber's), and some offspring that are too old to enjoy this make-believe (Joy Anna at 13 and above come to mind).
Then we could see the true enjoyment of the ones going, the true relief of the ones not going.
Other examples of trips that needed to be specialized: petting zoos, kiddie trains, hiking, shopping to a renewal vow dress, etc, etc.

The film crews have split up and covered two locations at once before.
Yes, I know the show is called 19 and counting, but that does not mean we need all 19 in every single episode. Ensemble scripted shows manage to leave a few of the cast out each week.

ennvee said...

I imagine that they want these "group" trips because it gives the crew an opportunity to film all of them all at once and it doesn't require as much time to film. I'm not saying that's how it is, but it's reasonable to believe.

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Thinking on this deeper, there's just no way a 13 year old young lady chose to go on a train ride, complete with re-enaction of The Great Train Robbery. Jason, Justin and Jackson? They'd love this. Joy? She's a 13 year old girl. While quite a tomboy, I just can't buy that this was her idea.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jim Bob is solicited by every Christian-run business in the South to bring his brood and be filmed. It's a boon for both the Duggars and the businesses, (ie. the remote apple orchard, skydiving, bungee jumping, etc.). Not to mention, Jim Bob is a businessman who knows that the draw of his family is the sheer number of children he can parade onto a stage, or a train, or whatever.

And one has to admit, he's right. The fans come out in droves to meet them at publicized events and are often fawned over (recall that lady in the subway in DC).

I hope Joy had an off-camera, age/gender appropriate birthday party thrown by her favorite relative, who appears to be Cousin Amy. Or even a slumber party in teh living room with some of her local friends. I'd think there's SOMEONE in the home church she could relate to; they all have so many kids there has to be at least one 13 year old girl. At least, swimming in that sea of boys in the birth order, I feel even MORE sorry for her.

Anonymous said...

"WHY do the Duggar kids seem to need so much extra time ('graduate' at 16, but at 20 still have not enrolled in a normal college) and tutoring (including CLEP) simply to ready themselves for entry into the most basic curriculum at the most academically basic colleges?"

I'm guessing that that's because they're helping raise their younger siblings. That probably takes up some time. Not only that, but they're taking part in the family business: filming episodes for their show. They're needed at hand to be filmed, go on trips, etc. I suspect that may be part of the reason as well.

Anonymous said...

13 is still an age when you are somewhere between grown up and a kid, and each child hits maturity at a differant time. They are also sheltered from the usual media/peer pressures that an average 13 year old would face. It seems like she has bonded more to the younger children, boys, and maybe this was a cool thing for her.

ennvee said...

13 is still an age when you are somewhere between grown up and a kid, and each child hits maturity at a differant time. They are also sheltered from the usual media/peer pressures that an average 13 year old would face. It seems like she has bonded more to the younger children, boys, and maybe this was a cool thing for her.

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The way this post is described, until the last part, sounds more like a sacrifice to make her younger brothers happy rather than herself.

Josh and Anna gave Joy that hideous pink tote last year that Joy said she'd use for her knitting. 12 appears to be the age for girls in Gothardland to be declared "women," even if the girl doesn't have the physical maturity of women yet. I was surprised enough when she went rock climbing last year, but again, of all the people on the wall, she seemed the LEAST engaged. That's what leads me to believe a lot of these "birthday parties" are cross-promotional. I seriously doubt that before the show the Duggars would rent out an entire facility so the kids and their friends could go skating, yet that's exactly what happened for Jason's 9th birthday. It's a Christian facility, Jim Bob makes sure to tell the TLC audience that (over and over and over when you think about the *majority* of the places they've been...I think Sean, who is from western North Carolina, might have had a hand in the Biltmore visit).

The way the Duggars, including Anna's smug speech, have shoved strict gender roles down the viewers' throats, this train ride party doesn't sit right, even for a girl used to being around a lot of boys around her age most of the time. She's still a girl, or actually a woman, in their world-view.

Jen said...

Maybe the train ride is only part of what they did or where they went. If it was part of a Silver Dollar City trip then I could see a 13 year old Joy Anna wanting to go for her birthday. I know that is what I wanted to do when I was 13.

It will be interesting to see tonight how the party goes and what all in encompasses

orgiporj said...

Honestly this day in age lots of people obtain online degrees and many degree programs have year round, accelarated curriculum.This is not just the Duggars.

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I have a bachelor's degree. I've had both classroom and online classes-- and let me tell you, you get SO MUCH MORE out of traditional classrooms than online.

For one of my online courses, I basically just had to read the textbook, take a couple tests, and hand in a paper at the end. In the classroom, I debated with peers, heard questions I would've never though about, and learned how to take notes like a court stenographer.

IMO, some college is better than none, as far as the Duggar girls are concerned, so I can't fault their "college education." I can fault their parents for not trusting their kids enough to let them out in the world and get a real education from any school/ subject they're interested in. If they really want and believe in their parents' lifestyle and religion, they will not lose it in a secular classroom with green-haired kids.

Celestie said...

They are also sheltered from the usual media/peer pressures that an average 13 year old would face.

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I find this interesting, the boys are often shown throwing "gang" identifying hand signals. I think we can be reasonably sure they are NOT members of street gangs. But where would they have even seen these signals or people who use these signals if they had not been exposed to the media? Just wondering.

MandySue said...

I think there is a train that goes from a point in NW AR to West AR it's a three or four hour trip. I think they serve dinner and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they do have somebody "rob" it at some point

MandySue said...

This is just to prove I am not crazy (I need all the help I can get lol)

This is the link for an excursion that goes from Springdale to Van Buren or Fort Smith. Either of them is about 70-80 miles from Springdale.

www.vanburentours.com

Reg poster but anon due to location said...

Putting the kids into gender-specific roles and interests is bad, yet no one can imagine that Joy could possibly have picked a train ride as a birthday activity because only boys like trains?

The kids could have picked up so-called "gang signs" anywhere...gang members weren't the first to use hand signals. I doubt they even know there's an association.

I saw the Duggars in Lawrence, KS, yesterday at the fundraiser for the Pregnancy Care Center. They came to Lawrence at their own expense and would not accept a fee or reimbursement of travel expenses, and on top of that, donated proceeds from the books sold at the event to the Pregnancy Center. They may be making a lot of money, but they're not greedily keeping it all - they put their money where their mouth is, which is far better than a certain other reality show family I know.

Anonymous said...

To share some information about the CLEP tests, below is just a small sample of the topics one must know to pass a CLEP in Macroeconomics. Either macro or microeconomics is a requirement to get the most basic general education Associate's Degree in my state. I find it difficult to believe that the SOTDRT covered these topics in the depth that would be required to pass a test like this.

Fiscal and monetary policies
Demand-side effects
Supply-side effects
Policy mix
Government deficits and debt
Inflation and unemployment
Types of inflation
Demand-pull inflation
Cost-push inflation
The Phillips curve: short run versus long run
Role of expectations

Reality TV Junkie said...

Oh my goodness! Was is my strangley active imagination, or did I see Jim Bob hold up Jordyn by her shirt collar on the commercial?

Erika said...

I thought Jim Bob was dangling Jordyn by her arm. I was pretty appalled.

Anonymous said...

Please dont tell me one of the boys just commented on how he liked becuase she can cook now?


Jordyn is very cute.

Reality TV Junkie said...

I can't believe Jordyn is two and can't talk yet. Jim Bob didn't even seem concerned about it. Sure is adorable though.

Anonymous said...

Two things that bugged me:

Michelle admitted they squeezed Joy's birthday in amongst other activities. I mean, even in a super large, busy family, what kind of parent 'squeezes' their child's birthday in as if it's unimportant?

Also, Jill said she remembered changing Joy's diapers. If Joy is 13 and Jill is 19 (probably 20 by now), that would mean that Jill was expected to change diapers at about 7 years old. How sad. When I was seven my biggest worry was making sure I did my homework or ate my vegetables.

Anonymous said...

I thought the Duggars have motion sickness (remembering back to them holding barf bags on a plane along with the usual spiel when driving through hilly areas). So how could those boys have been digging into those box lunches with such gusto if they would be getting nauseous during the trip?

What kind of train robber gives safety lessons?

I don't even want to think about Jordyn pushing Josie around in that saucer. If the crew hadn't been there......oh, my my.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Michelle say they were having an ice cream party for Joy's birthday? They stopped at an ice cream store, Anna dropped in and then they took ice cream home. How is that a party? We keep hearing that they have friends outside the family so why didn't any of them stop by the ice cream place for the "party"?

Allison said...

Oy vey. I didn't really like this episode at all. While Joy seemed OK with being on the train and seemed to enjoy looking out the window, I cannot believe Michelle literally said they "squeezed in" Joy's ice cream party into their *busy* day. It made it sound like the train ride was something they planned regardless of Joy's birthday. OMG. Okay, maybe that's true but you don't ADMIT THAT to people! Sheesh. It's her 13th birthday. She's a teen! That's a big day. I can't believe you would "squeeze in" a birthday party. That really shocked me.

I actually kinda think that everyone except for the youngest boys probably thought the train ride was just so-so. Jinger, Jessa and Josiah all seemed to think the "train robber" was a bit stupid. You could totally tell that Josiah was censoring what he really wanted to say!

As far as Jim Bob staying with Jordyn and Josie, I thought that was adorable. I think he's a pretty good dad, showed affection and was playing and all that. Jim Bob picked up Jordyn by her arm, which I agree is probably not safe, but it was just for a moment. I think most of us have picked up our kids or done something similar without thinking. Overall, I think his parenting is much better than Michelle. I feel like he really does interact with his kids, as opposed to Michelle who is more of a Duggar commentator.

I also wanted to mention that the Duggars *do* use real dishes! In the breakfast scene you could hear the clanking of the spoon against the dish. At first, I thought it was a plastic or paper dish because of the way it looked, plain white with those little ridges in the rim. I wonder if maybe their dishes just look like plastic because of how simple they are?

Anyway, aside from Michelle's bizarre comment and the Jim Bob/Jordyn's arm incident, the comments from everyone was OK. I loved Jill's comment and Joy's reaction. Such a typical sibling relationship, so that was pretty cute. And as far as Josiah's comment about her being a good cook, well, maybe that's true, but it also seemed like he didn't really know what to say. Neither did Jessa. I think it might be hard to think of something nice to say for your sibling of the opposite gender that doesn't sound totally cheesy or weird. It was probably just the first thing he thought of, not the most important thing to him. Boys sometimes don't think before they speak!

Lisa said...

Was it just me or did Joy sound so much like Jessa in this episode. If I hadn't been looking at her I would have thought it was Jessa speaking. Joy has really grown up a lot in the last few years, even just this last year.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Jordan was adorable collecting all of the garbage cans and giving toys to her baby sister Josie.

Ohio Buckeye said...

"I saw the Duggars in Lawrence, KS, yesterday at the fundraiser for the Pregnancy Care Center. They came to Lawrence at their own expense and would not accept a fee or reimbursement of travel expenses, and on top of that, donated proceeds from the books sold at the event to the Pregnancy Center. They may be making a lot of money, but they're not greedily keeping it all - they put their money where their mouth is, which is far better than a certain other reality show family I know."

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I am FAR from a Duggar fan for many reasons, but I find the above very commendable on the part of the Duggars. Kudos to them for walking the walk in this way.

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to say Those are the only type of trains we have here in the okla. ark. and texas area.. We dont have like amtrak trains, or any other trains that you ride to go to work or travel on.

So that is the only type of train that is in the area.

I wish we had trains like New york etc does, it would be so nice to not have to drive everywhere.. but thats middle country for you, people wont sell their land for trains to come through

My thoughts said...

Joy is a beautiful young lady. Too bad she didn't even get a "real" ice cream party, but a hurried cone-on-the go. The train ride seemed an unlikely choice for a 13 year old birthday, at least in my opinion.

Most shocking part of the episode was Jordyn shoving premie Josie's walker around, pushing her roughly into the stairs even! Her head control has only been good for a little while, and that could have been very dangerous! Also, Jordyn dropping and throwing toys at Josie, while sweet that she was thinking of her, was also careless and dangerous, as she could have hit Josie's head.

I don't know why those parents are so cavalier about Josie's safety. Already she is thrown around and handled just like the other kids, but I thought she'd be protected more.

Jim Bob picking up Jordyn so roughly? There are no words. What was he thinking?

And Jordyn not speaking yet? No one there seems worried, but then again, Jenny still isn't speaking well either and she must be close to four by now.

That is one gorgeous pack of kids though. Every one of them.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully, there was more celebration of Joy's 13th birthday than we saw. It's such an important one and the train ride was more geared for the little kids. I wouldn't exactly call a stop by an ice cream shop a "party".

On another note, Jim Bob, Jordyn and Josie was fun to watch. He sure does seem more hands on than Michelle. If only he wouldn't pick Jordyn up by the arm, but I suppose we all have been guilty of that at some point. I did notice that for a 1 year old, Jordyn isn't very verbal.

Maybe since we didn't see Jana, John David, Josh, Joseph (at least I didn't but I was dozing on and off) they had a real birthday party at another time.

Anonymous said...

But where would they have even seen these signals or people who use these signals if they had not been exposed to the media? Just wondering.
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I more or less meant that I doubt they are watching E! or MTV all day. Nor are they sitting around reading celebrity junk magazines. They also do not watch TV all day. As far as gang signs, they could have just made them up, or there is no way to black out all of the media.

Reality TV Junkie said...

"Also, Jill said she remembered changing Joy's diapers. If Joy is 13 and Jill is 19 (probably 20 by now), that would mean that Jill was expected to change diapers at about 7 years old. How sad. When I was seven my biggest worry was making sure I did my homework or ate my vegetables."
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I actually thought Jill's diaper comment was meant as a joke. I thought it was funny how JoyAnna got embarrased and covered the camera.

When they first showed JoyAnna during the interview, I thought it was Jill at first, probably because her hair was down and straightened. She looks very mature now.

Allison said...

Also, Jordyn dropping and throwing toys at Josie, while sweet that she was thinking of her, was also careless and dangerous, as she could have hit Josie's head.

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I noticed that when Jordyn "drove" Josie into the staircase, and then when she was tossing toys onto Jim Bob's lap, both times Jim Bob said "be careful, you don't want to hurt Josie." He's more of a "say stop when you see something" Dad.

But I thought the two of them playing together was really cute, and obviously whatever they are doing is fine since Josie hasn't gotten sick. Maybe they have some kind of approval that as long as they're in the house, it's OK, but just not to bring Josie out into unknown crowds. We don't know what doctors might be telling Michelle and Jim Bob.

I am a little concerned about Jordyn's speech. At almost 2, she should be more talkative, but maybe that's what happens when you have 17 older siblings?

Cyn said...

Late talkers are quite common in larger families, (anything over 2 actually). Usually because they don't need the verbal skills to communicate since they have older siblings and parents to "translate" for them.

All 5 of my children were late talkers, then turned into chatter boxes later on. The younger ones will catch up, if they still have speech issues by age 5 then I'd start to worry.

Anonymous said...

This trip was not for Joy's birthday, it was most likely paid for by TLC and one of their many places they go and film. I can't believe the Duggars would pay the amount of money it would take to go on that train ride.

Michelle clearly said this was a field trip and they try to have the kids learn whatever they can when going on one. Who would pick going on a field trip for their birthday. Joy's birthday celebration was squeezed in according to Michelle.

I actually didn't mind watching Jim Bob at home with the youngest two. I don't agree with most of what he does or says but I do think he is a good dad that loves his kids. Michelle just seems like they are her trophies or awards.

I don't think Jim Bob was rough at all with Jordyn. I imagine just about every parent has had to pick up a child by the arm to get them out of the way. He didn't yank her up by the wrist or elbow but got her under her arm pit and lifted her a few feet. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do when your arms are full with another baby, and it only takes having two to have that problem sometimes.

ennvee said...

Michelle clearly said this was a field trip and they try to have the kids learn whatever they can when going on one.

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She actually calls them "learning experiences" and what I noticed last night was that the speech was the exact same spiel we've heard before. And since they didn't show her actually speaking, I am pretty certain that production "reheated" what they already had.

jj said...

SUPER LAME 13th birthday! Even for a Duggar. Ugh. And frankly, if the best thing my mom could come up with to say about me was "she'll be a good leader, but also a good follower" I would probably have run away from home.

I do like to watch Jim Bob with the two babies though...it's really cute for some reason. I don't think he was too rough with Jordyn...my two are 18 months apart and sometimes you just gotta get a kid out of the way. My husband, great dad though he is, would have probably turned the TV on or at least been looking at his phone half the time!

Anonymous said...

Michelle says that these "lame" trips are learning experiences. Not so much when you are in your late teens. I guess for the little boys, it was somewhat exciting.

Since Michelle was pregnant with Josie, we have not seen any of them in their "home school environment. When do they do their schoolwork?

Also, my experience with large families (I come from a family of 13) is that they usually learn to speak fast. You have to do so to get any attention. Heaven knows, those little ones don't get much of that.

When Michelle got back from the "educational", supposed to be birthday field trip, she kissed Jim Bob and went right to Josie. Meanwhile Jordyn was yelling "mama, mama" in the background. She was intercepted by the others with ice cream so I guess she was placated.

msrylee said...

I too felt sad when Jordyn called out for her mother, and Michelle went straight to Josie and ignored her. Ice cream does not replace attention from her mother. It appeared that Josie was doing just fine with her dad, so I don't understand why Michelle couldn't cuddle with Jordyn for a few minutes.

Anonymous said...

Michelle couldn't cuddle with Jordyn for a few minutes because she's not the baby anymore. Time for her to fend for herself!

Allison said...

Michelle couldn't cuddle with Jordyn for a few minutes because she's not the baby anymore. Time for her to fend for herself!

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While I'm pretty sure Michelle probably didn't go cuddle with Jordyn, I can understand why Michelle went to Josie first. Josie is the preemie and Michelle hasn't spent a lot of time away from her so far. I think most of us would probably go immediately to our preemie infant first, too.

Besides, these episodes are chopped up like nobody's business. It's hard to say what really happened. I do a lot of video editing in my job and it can be hard to keep everything in, especially when they need to end the episode and make room for commercials. Though I think they could make more room if they got rid of those "coming up next on 19 kids and counting" - half the segment is stuffed in those things!

Anonymous said...

Yes, you're right....the episodes *are* chopped up like nobody's business. Out of sequence, on more than one day (for a supposed one day episode), with many things (that they don't want us to see) omitted. So much for Duggar reality!

ennvee said...

Since Michelle was pregnant with Josie, we have not seen any of them in their "home school environment. When do they do their schoolwork?

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I recall that they showed the older of the boys younger than Joy at a bank of computers set up in Little Rock. Of course, that was pretty much to placate the viewers (myself included) who complained that we never saw them in "school" mode, other than the time Joseph and Josiah were in the room throwing stuff at each other, the episode in which James hid his workbook and it was proven that Jessa's job as teacher is merely checking test scores. The kids older than 3rd grade are largely being self-taught since Michelle doesn't seem invested in their education at all anymore. Certainly not the way she would have been when they lived in the small house and only had one antiquated computer.

She is supposedly teaching the younger ones, but since Josie was born, I don't recall seeing her in that capacity. Admittedly, I can't remember where the episode in which Jackson could barely write his name falls in the continuum, but I do remember it was in LR. Anyone?

msrylee said...

I agree that Michelle hasn't been separated from Josie very often (according to what has been said). It makes sense for her to go to her as soon as possible. However, Jordyn has really been cheated out of Michelle's attention and care, through no fault of either of these last two blessings, IMO.

Perhaps Michelle does spend quality time with Jordyn and it just isn't part of any episode. It is reality T.V. after all. Perhaps future episodes will include Michelle with Jordyn.

Anonymous said...

Anyone else notice that Jackson and Johanna have been wearing the same outfits for their little "interview confessionals" for the past five episodes? So much for reality there too! Were all the confessionals shot the same day? Sure looks that way! They didn't even have the kids change!

Anonymous said...

Yep, I've noticed Jackson in his grey and orange outfit and Johannah in her honking big blue flower and blue dress. (Uh oh, Sean...am I causing you to have to change up the talking heads for next week's episode at the last minute??)

Sharla said...

- 1.028 million viewers
- 0.7/1 HH
- 0.4/1 A18-49

Anonymous said...

I'm referring to the "chopped up" comment:
The Duggars don't edit these shots, the Editors do. We've met or seen two of them in a past epsiode, "Duggars in the Sky". So what seems chopped isn't really their fault.
Also, on the "Jill changing Joy's diapers"issue, I didn't think it was such a bad thing. I looked up their birthdays and by the time Jill was changing Joy's diapers, she was probably closer to eight. I also went to a daycare where, at less than seven, I remember wanting to help change the baby's diaper. Younger children often want to help with their younger peers, because it makes them feel older and better. So Jill was probably just trying to embarrass Joy (I know I love to do that to my sister:) ) and show affection.

Anonymous said...

I was the one who made the diaper comment. I wasn't so much trying to speak to whether it was a joke or not (it obviously was). But to me, it seemed like there was probably an undercurrent of truth in it. We know with their 'buddy system' the Duggars give their children a large amount of responsibility at a young age, which I don't believe is fair to the children. They should not be expected to be mini-parents but that's another discussion.

Anonymous said...

Sharla said:
- 1.028 million viewers
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That's a substantial drop. I thought the last few episodes had garnered around 1.5 million. If I'm correct, that's a drop of about 30%.

Anonymous said...

Michelle probably bonded with Josie more than her last 12 children. However, Josie was quite contented being held by her father. Little Jordyn was running and yelling "mama, Mama." Michelle could have gone to her. It is almost like Josie is her only child. She also had to kiss Jim Bob. After all, they were away from each other for a couple of hours. Ignore the 2 year old and placate the biggest baby.

Reality TV Junkie said...

Maybe the Duggars have "interview clothes" that they wear during the interviews specifically.

Anonymous said...

I just got a chance to watch my DVR'd episode for the first time. Michelle did NOT "admit" to squeezing in Joy's birthday. I clearly heard her say they were doing a lot of activities that day, and that one of them included an ice cream party. We saw snips of two activities that didn't include all of the family. I think it's pretty obvious they had another celebration for Joy's birthday we didn't see - no matter what anyone may think of the Duggars, I seriously doubt that the sum total of Joy's party would be two activities that her FATHER wasn't a part of.

Allison said...

Anyone else notice that Jackson and Johanna have been wearing the same outfits for their little "interview confessionals" for the past five episodes? So much for reality there too! Were all the confessionals shot the same day? Sure looks that way! They didn't even have the kids change!


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The confessionals are shot the same day. They are done to narrate and give opinion on the events that they are showing for that particular episode. Since these shows are filmed so far in advance, they probably do the confessionals after several episodes have been edited, so the interviewers know what to ask the children about. No point in going over something that won't make it into the episode. I'm pretty sure they've talked about this in a previous episode, when talking about how they work with the crew. The confessionals are definitely not done day-of, that I know.

Anonymous said...

I wonder why the ratings have dropped so low. That's a pretty significant drop. Maybe people were out celebrating Valentine's Day? LOL. If the ratings stay that low, though, that won't be a good sign for the future of the show.

Anonymous said...

The ratings are so low because people are getting bored with the show. The shows are not real. I think the more focus put on the offspring, the better. I, personally, would like to see something real, rather than Michelle and Jim Bob with their inane narrative. Their lives cannot be so perfect. They must have issues that have to be resolved. Just filming the group going to different places gets mind freezing. Michelle's adolescent ramblings over and over just don't cut it anymore.

Allison said...

Whoops, in the first sentence I meant to write that confessionals are NOT shot the same day.

I wonder if the ratings are low because of the new time? 10:00 is very late (although I'm a night owl and work from home so I don't mind).

Anonymous said...

If the ratings stay that low, though, that won't be a good sign for the future of the show.
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One can only hope :)

I agree that the ratings drop could also have something to do with the new, later time slot. But that tells us that TLC is also losing interest in the show, if they treat it like this. I think the powers that be at TLC realize that the show is not attracting new viewers. They probably also realize that the longer young adult women are shown doing nothing with their lives except running the household for their parents, the less viewers will like it. Besides, it will really look ridiculous for 23-year old young women to ride around on a kiddie train or pretend to be interested in broom ball, etc.

I also think a number of viewers are growing wise to Michelle being a rather poor example of motherhood. Latest example - ignores the cries of her little girl calling for "mama" to go kiss JimBob and pick up a baby who was already getting attention. Cold hearted.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if the drop in ratings is due to the new time slot 'cause the first two episodes did pretty decently. It could be that people are getting bored, though. It's also possible the the drop was only temporary. TLC replays the show on Tuesdays at 7 PM, so people may be viewing then. It's hard to say for sure, but it'll be interesting to see how this season (as a whole) does ratings wise. When Little People, Big World was consistently bringing in ratings under 1.3M over the course of a season, they were cancelled. If the ratings are this low all season, I don't think the show will have much of a future, to be honest. You never know, though.

Anonymous said...

"I, personally, would like to see something real, rather than Michelle and Jim Bob with their inane narrative. Their lives cannot be so perfect. They must have issues that have to be resolved."

I totally agree with you. Maybe they have less conflict than most people, but no one has no conflict at all. I think it would be far more encouraging/inspiring to see them dealing with doubts, insecurities, interpersonal conflict, etc. I understand that they may want to keep stuff like that private, but they say that their purpose in doing the show is to evangelize, and showing how they deal with stuff like that would be more helpful than showing them taking trips and all that. I realize that they showed their struggle with Josie, but I'm talking more about the internal things people struggle with (having a temper, doubt, arguing, etc.), know what I mean? They're always insisting that they're not perfect, but we're hardly ever shown any areas where there may be personal struggle. It's kind of like the show is only skin deep.

I also don't like how they gloss over a lot of their religious beliefs. It almost feels like they're watering it down. They're followers of Bill Gothard, who is a pretty controversial figure. I think it would be pretty interesting if this was explored more in detail. Of course, I highly doubt it ever will be, though. TLC likes to keep things light, so there you go. On this, I think TLC is more to blame than the Duggars.

I like the show, and I think the Duggars seem like nice people, but yeah, I totally agree with what you wrote.

shawna said...

I would say that I've been an avid viewer since "14 Children and Pregnant Again" but I am done now. Its just not an enjoyable show anymore to me.

A couple of episodes, they had Michelle explaining how her kids snack every two hours, and they might make a mess, and they like fruit... blah blah blah. Ok, thanks. Anyone with a stomach knows about eating snacks. The scene was pretty self-explanatory. I did not need that narrative.

Honestly I am disappointed each week by the show. Not only is it boring these days (not much new to say), but I am really troubled that Michelle has changed in her role so much. I used to admire Michelle so much, now I don't really care for her. In the earliest specials, She used to be the "mom" doing the majority of cooking, cleaning, diapering, homeschooling, and this kind of stuff, but it has changed so much. When I watch her on the show now, I do not see the woman I once admired. It makes me sad. But like I said, I'm just done watching.

Anonymous said...

Like any "reality" show that has been on for several seasons and has many episodes per season, the Duggar show is running out of novel things to show. Sure they can take the entire family to a new educational or entertainment place but the viewing crowd grows bored with that because after a while they all feel the same. The first mission trip is exciting, after that, not so much. Another large family visits them, bo-ring after the 3rd time. A few kid's birthday parties, wow, a peak into their real lives. After a few years, yawn. Unless they wanted to do something radical like send the adult children to a city ala Real World for a few months and then film the aftermath IF the adult children came home with any new viewpoints, well, what else are they going to show the viewers that's truly new?

Besides a new baby? If everything goes smoothly, new baby, ooh, cute, big bump in ratings for birth and then when baby comes home, then yawn. If anything goes wrong, big drama, big ratings but then you may have a controversy.

It's nothing the Duggars or TLC are doing, IMHO, the show is just naturally running its course.

Carla said...

I was a bit creeped out by everyone and their brother(s) [literally!] commenting on Joy becoming woman. I could get over a sister's joke about my diapers a lot sooner then the world hearing about how I was a tom boy and now maturing into a lady. In their world, a calm, non-inquisitive lump in a skirt that can cook. Ick. Just ICK!

Anonymous said...

I think this will be the last season, or maybe they'll limp along, like the Roloffs or the Gosselins, one season too long and continue into next. The late time change and the drop in viewership certainly looks to me like it is curtains for the Duggars.

And not a minute too soon. I don't think I could bear to watch a 25 year old Jana on the kiddie train, or Michelle still pontificating about the educational value of those silly trips.

It really is enough already. They need to just return to their lives, without cameras. It isn't normal to raise children with cameras in their faces all day long anyway.

strawberryfields said...

Carla: "I was a bit creeped out by everyone and their brother(s) [literally!] commenting on Joy becoming woman."

Totally agree. My dad made a joke about this on my 13th birthday, and I wanted to smack him. I did smack my brother when he tried.

It's so dumb. You're not a woman because you're 13, because you're a teenager, or because you menstruate. You're a woman when you're grown up (whether that 15 or 30 for you, everyone's different).

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Shawna, I wanted to c/p and quote you, but I couldn't find which part of your post I liked most. I agree with you, completely. I've been watching since the beginning, and I stopped watching after the first episodes of the newest season. The family isn't interesting, entertaining, or inspiring anymore...

Anonymous said...

"I think this will be the last season, or maybe they'll limp along, like the Roloffs or the Gosselins, one season too long and continue into next. The late time change and the drop in viewership certainly looks to me like it is curtains for the Duggars."

I think this season may be the last, or maybe there will be one more season after it. We can't really judge based off of one bad rating because the rest of their ratings this season have been pretty good. I think it will probably be based on how well they do this season as a whole. The inevitable episodes surrounding Josh and Anna's new baby will probably bring in some good ratings (finding out the baby's sex, the baby's birth, adjusting to life with the new baby, etc.), but apart from that, I'm not sure.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Shawna. It is a little sad how very much the dynamics of this family has changed. I sometimes wonder if Michelle has completely abdicated the responsibility for most of her children to her older daughters. He total focus, even now, is on Josie.

Mind you, Jim Bob certainly seems to need affirmation and affection almost 24 hours in a day. His constant kissing is somewhat nerve racking, especially when there are so many little ones wanting attention. She seems detached from them all.

Both Michelle and Jim Bob seem addicted to the camera and attention. It is mind boggling because, after all, what do they that do that is so earth shattering. They breed. At least 90% of the population are capable of just that.

I do not find them inspiring. The trips are not educational and they present a very sanitized version of their lives.

Jen said...

Where was Jana? I don't think I saw her in the episode. I remember seeing her briefly during the shooting episode but don't remeber her in others.

Am I just not seeing her or is she not there?

Alberta Rose said...

Wow, I thought my mom was cool because she's into trains. I hope my mom suddenly doesn't take it into her head she is too "old" or too much a "girl" to go on family train rides. After reading some of the comments, I think I'll e-mail her and thank her for being like Michelle Duggar, encouraging me to break free of gender stereotypes.

Anonymous said...

I was a bit disappointed in the new time slot as, after taking care of several foster children all day I am almost too tired to stay awake that long. However, this week I discovered the 7pm repeat on Tues and actually watched it both times. The kids enjoyed watching it with me on Tues. This is a great show to watch with children as you don't find yourself having to explain why people are dressing so immodestly, etc. I have also enjoyed watching Michelle falling back into her role of "mothering" all of her children as Josie has grown bigger and stronger.

Reollihopolis said...

"Wow, I thought my mom was cool because she's into trains. I hope my mom suddenly doesn't take it into her head she is too "old" or too much a "girl" to go on family train rides. After reading some of the comments, I think I'll e-mail her and thank her for being like Michelle Duggar, encouraging me to break free of gender stereotypes."

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At which point did Joy talk about trains, and liking them? When did she show us her model trains and talk about how she couldn't wait to go for a train ride?

Never. Just like no one said girls can't like trains- just that, she's 13 and going on a "wild west" style train ride for her birthday. Tell you the truth, I don't know any 13 year olds that would want to go on a hokey train ride for their birthday-- male or female.

Michelle Duggar, encouraging her daughters to break gender stereotypes? Oh, ok. Let's not forget Jana and Jill going back to the house while their family was in Little Rock, finding modly food hidden in the kitchen, and stating, "boys just don't think of these things." Let's not forget that girls have to wear dresses, so that they don't "defraud" their brothers with their womanly wiles.

Her idea of breaking gender stereotypes is have her husband teach her girls how to change a tire. Whoopdeedoo, I know several men that can't do this and several women who can. In that episode, she showed the boys tooling around with cleaning supplies, because they can do womens' work, too! What a crock.

Anonymous said...

@Realihopolis: Agreed! One of the basic pillars of the Duggar brand is traditional (archaic) gender roles.

MD can't seem to see beyond her own nose, stating 'it's in the girls' hearts to be moms' (paraphrasing). The females in this household are given no real opportunities to learn in any depth about any other roles/careers they may choose.

The males, on the other hand, are taught they are to be Patriarchs (blech) and that women are out to defraud them.

There simply is NO forward thinking goin' on in Duggarville.

Anonymous said...

The only part of this episode that I liked was JimBob taking care of Jordyn and Josie. I think he is a very hands-on dad and I thought he took good care of them. I liked that he cautioned Jordyn about tossing the toys at Josie, and that he did it in a gentle way. He also stepped in when Jordyn pushed the walker into the stairs. I didn't care for the way he pulled Jordyn up by the arm, but he did put her down quickly; they were in a tight spot at the time. Jordyn was very sweet with Josie and I liked seeing that; they are both so cute. I think JimBob is a very good dad overall and he's always holding a little one, which I like seeing.

The train ride was beyond boring. I wound up fast-fowarding through most of it. Joy is growing up to be a beautiful young lady. I hope she got a better birthday celebration when the cameras weren't rolling.

Michele seems to be a bit spacey at times in the latest episodes. I think it's because she's gone through a lot of stress and strain in the past couple of years - having Jordyn by C. Section and then getting pregnant with Josie so quickly - and then getting toxemia and Josie being delivered early - and going through the worry and stress of Josie's fragile condition. Taking care of such a tiny one has taken its toll on her, and on top of that, she had her gall bladder removed. I hope she won't have any more pregnancies for a while as her body needs to fully recover.

I liked Anna's hair cut - very flattering and more modern than the usual Duggar hair styles.

They are a beautiful family and I enjoy watching them a lot of the time, but they've had weekly shows so long that the show is getting a bit tedious. Too bad.

Anonymous said...

What disturbed me about this episode:

The fact that Jordan is two years old and can't talk. Yes,yes, I know late talkers exist, but most two year olds babble away nonstop. Jennifer has the same delayed speech and doesn't appear to be getting help for it.

The fact that Michelle acts like Josie is her only child, and the only child she has ever really bonded with. I understand that preemies require extra attention, but Michelle's strange comments such as "I can't believe how much babies sleep" make it seem as though she's caring for her first child, not her nineteenth.

The fact that Michelle doesn't "trust" JimBob watching Josie, when he in fact is the more loving and affectionate parent. When's the last time anyone has seen Michelle really hold Jordan or Jennifer?

I think the show is on it's last legs. The producers have run out of ideas, unless Jim and Michelle can convince one of their daughters to marry a Bates kid and come up with something new.

ennvee said...

At which point did Joy talk about trains, and liking them? When did she show us her model trains and talk about how she couldn't wait to go for a train ride?

Never. Just like no one said girls can't like trains- just that, she's 13 and going on a "wild west" style train ride for her birthday. Tell you the truth, I don't know any 13 year olds that would want to go on a hokey train ride for their birthday-- male or female.

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THIS! I am female. I love trains and was a huge sports-playing, shorts-wearing athlete growing up.

BUT I put all that aside from about 6-9th grade when I was more worried about my clothes and boys than trains and sports. When I gained footing in the world of teenager-hood, I resumed some of my childhood interests. Knowing NOTHING about Joy's particular interests, other than knitting, while I can't rule out that she's totally into the typically male pursuit of trains, I cannot buy into the idea that the ride was nothing more than a quid-pro-quo for a company that solicited Jim Bob for airtime (as has been confirmed by Michelle elsewhere on this blog).

Joy is at the perfect age when a train ride, complete with "robbery," would be the LAST thing a 13 year old girl would want to do. An intelligent viewer can't even buy the "isolated" view of their life anymore; TLC has brought the secular world to their doorstep, as reflected in the better clothing and even some current slang. I qualify this by saying I know I heard something...not "bad" per-se, just something that never would have come out of their mouths a few years ago.

Willow #1 said...

I love watching the Duggars, in part because they are still better than a lot of other things on TV. Just my personal taste. I have issues with them, but still enjoy watching the show, so I hope they stay on for awhile longer. I think the show could survive just fine if they would just find something different and more interesting to do. I totally agree with the poster who suggested showing some of their conflicts. Let the kids talk about something "off script" etc. I am also tired of Michelle's narratives and her lack of being able to pick words to say. She should be over the nervousness of TV by now.

Respectfully, my opinion is that the speech issues are not a problem. 19 children are going to run the gamit of speech development. I agree with Cyn that it is way too soon to be so worried. Around 4 to 5 is soon enough (Jennifer may be reaching that point before long though I haven't seen her or heard her speak in a long time).

Regarding the field trips -- I think that different "venues" (for lack of a better word) pay TLC for the exposure and advertisement of having the Duggars visit on the show. That is pretty obvious -- it helps with expenses. If TLC had to pay for all their trips themselves, I am sure there would be less of them. Same with the other reality shows on TLC. I just wish TLC could afford to just do some more in-depth shows and leave off the trips for awhile.

msrylee said...

A comment was made about Michelle falling back into her role of mothering all of her children, especially since Josie is doing so well. I fail to see her 'mother' many of her blessings. Maybe I just missed the mothering clips.

It was good to see JimBob with both Jordyn and Josie. Both little girls seemed to be having a great time with their dad. He appeared to know what he was expected to do regarding Josie's care, and seemed comfortable taking care of both of them.

Anonymous said...

With regard to the delayed speech of both Jennifer and Jordyn. It my not be just delayed. However, this would be a perfect platform for the "mother of the year" to discuss something besides pretty platitudes like "what is in their hearts'. To discuss this and perhaps consult a medical person/speech therapist regarding same would be a good example of good parenting. It would also provide information to the viewers who may be questioning the very same thing. A little problem identified and investigated.

There must be more little problems and conflicts. Is there any problem with any individual regarding home schooling. Children all learn at their own levels, but are there instances where outside help is required and are these steps taken?

These are things I would be interested in seeing. How are these circumstances approached. These children are not clones. There must be something with which they may need assistance. I don't mean to single them out and embarrass them, but the process of aiding these situations would be enlightening to the viewer.

The endless inane little journeys are getting so boring. They may be enjoyable, but they do not take the place of "real" living.

I doubt it will happen because Jim Bob and Michelle are just too busy now with television, books and fame.

Anonymous said...

There are 19 children in this family. Maybe the reason why we don't hear Jennifer, Jordyn, etc. speak is because there are so many other children who are speaking beyond baby talk and short sentances. Boring as some think the show is now, imagine how much more it would be if the episodes 'interview' the younest? Truly, with what little we've heard, I fail to see how anyone can specualte there are speech problems.

Anonymous said...

I am not expecting to hear an interview with Jordyn or Jennifer (I am tired of Hannie's little interview antics anyway).

I'd just like to hear either one speak in the context of the taping. We see them plenty. They just don't seem to be able to speak.

Anonymous said...

I'm a pediatric speech and language pathologist. Children who are presenting delays in their communication development at ages 2 and 3 should be evaluated by a speech and language pathologist to determine whether those delays are significant enough to be addressed. Those early delays left untreated do in fact become delays that impact later literacy skills (reading, writing, and spelling). I treat children with both articulation and language disorders who are facing multiple challenges both in managing the academics and in their self-esteem. Most of these children presented some kind of delay earlier on.
As a homeschooling parent with just a high school education and many children to care for, Michelle is totally unprepared to either recognize or treat any of her children's individual learning needs. Although Michelle and JimBob have appropriately sought advice from the medical "experts" as to how to care for little Josie, they have presumed that they know enough to appropriately educate 18 others.You can bet there are several children in that family with undiagnosed learning disabilities and probably attentional disorders.

msrylee said...

Thank you to Anon 1327h. who addressed the possibility of speech delays and learning disabilities in some of the Duggar children. I am not expecting the littlest ones to be interviewed, either, but we just don't hear them speak much. Maybe it is a result of the infamous editing, but it would be a terrible mistake to make excuses as to why we don't hear them speak if there is a valid reason for it.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:27PM said...

As a homeschooling parent with just a high school education and many children to care for, Michelle is totally unprepared to either recognize or treat any of her children's individual learning needs.

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I respectfully disagree with the above poster. Michelle's education level has nothing to do with it. Rather, I suspect that the lack of early childhood intervention for her children is 1) denial, 2) Gothard/ATI, 3) Sibling-parents, or a combination of the 3.

One must also remember that reality tv is hardly "reality." JB, for all his faults, seems very on top of the kids' health care.

Chris said...

I think the show has not run out of ideas, I think they are limited in what they can film or show. Aren't JimBob and Michelle producers and have say in what is shown. It is obvious they edit out certain religious and homeschool aspects.
The Duggars have 19 kids and I have watched every episode and I can tell you very little about at least half of the kids personalites(maily the middle kids). They could do a day in the life, maybe 2 or 3 kids per episode and find out what they like to do, eat, favorite subjects, favorite games, which sibling is thier best friend? It would be very interesting film the episodes and then ask Michelle and JimBob in an interview style to answer the questions about the kids like and dislikes. Do they really know all 19 kids?
Obviously the older girls have more freedom then shown. I would rather see theolder girls going out doing Michelle's shopping list , then watching the little kids sneak fruit. Some of the short videos they have posted on tlc, like Mac getting her ears pierced would have made a much better episode then most of what we have seen the last year.

Anonymous said...

If a Duggar kid broke the mold and moved out, went to college and was not as strictly Christian, it would be great for ratings. (Everyone wants to see that!) I wonder, if that did happen, if the Duggars would allow it to be filmed and aired.

msrylee said...

Anon 5:38, I agree with your reasons as to why there has been no early intervention with the Duggar blessings. It seems as if JimBob is up to speed with the physical care of at least Josie, but the other potential problems haven't been identified. That is, as far as we are told. And, it appears that Michelle is disconnected from all but Josie, and probably isn't aware that Jennifer and Jordyn aren't speaking very well.

Anonymous said...

Health care is different than learning. I don't think Jim Bob has a clue about learning, and wouldn't know a learning issue if it hit him in the face.

Anonymous said...

The Duggars are not producers of the show. This is one of those self-perpetuating myths of reality TV. If they were producers, they would be listed as such in the final credits.

Anonymous said...

I like the idea of "day in the life", or even if they don't want to do that, what about a "special day" sort of thing like J&K did with each of their kids. I doubt they could do that with each child, because even with two per episode that's too many episodes devoted to that, but if they either put two kids with similar interests together (so it would still be two-on-two, and they could get the "special days" of four children on each episode) or just did the middle kids or something it might work. Only if they truly let each child pick how the day was spent though. That way we see what the kids choose when given the choice, and we get to see them give their kids individual attention.

Kathie said...

I watched the show faithfully but this season seems like more of the same old stuff...Duggars go here...Duggars go there I find myself checking the Today show website because thats where the news comes out, who's pregnant, what the baby is, when its born etc.

Anonymous said...

I would love to see a day in the life of the older girls. Especially whoever has the laundry jurisdiction. Then a day in the life of Michelle and JimBob. I would love to see just how much work they do when compared to the older girls.

Anonymous said...

I would love to see a day in the life of the older girls. Especially whoever has the laundry jurisdiction. Then a day in the life of Michelle and JimBob. I would love to see just how much work they do when compared to the older girls
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Well, the first suggestion could easily take up 3 episodes alone, but the day in the life of the Duggar parents would maybe fit into a 10-minute segment.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I would love to see a day in the life of the older girls. Especially whoever has the laundry jurisdiction. Then a day in the life of Michelle and JimBob. I would love to see just how much work they do when compared to the older girls.
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I totally agree! I also would like to see their religious beliefs showcased. I doubt the network will do this as it would probably polarize viewers and lower the ratings, but honestly it's the reason I watch. I don't agree with them but it's interesting to see just what they believe. I find other people's ways of living fascinating, albeit sometimes a little a scary.

Anonymous said...

hi

I have mentioned this before but it was awhile back! The reason you see them wearing the same clothes in the interview parts is due to the fact that they only wear those clothes for that!
They Have them wear the same clothing! so the editors can take a piece from one week and add it to another week! this is used on ALOT of reality shows! Real housewives franchise is one example!

The producer and editors excuse is well sometimes we dont get to alL the questions in one interview"
and that part is true but its not the whole truth! the truth is this is the producers will show them a scene that they have filmed then they ask them a question about it!
NOW here is the sneaky part of that, we dont know What the Question is thats being asked all the time! thus the editors can take michelle saying one thing about Babies and they wait a couple weeks and take part of her answer and put it in with another episode! to make it look like it is something it is or is not!
that is why they wear the same clothing! that way you dont know when they are filming and can piece it together!