Monday, February 7, Duggars Act Out

The family takes a day trip to visit the set of a Passion Play, but when the Duggars become extras in the performance, will they steal the show. Back at home, Jill gives Josie her first piano lesson.

(30 minutes)

45 comments:

Hannah said...

Didnt they just do this in "Duggars Take A Stage"

Anonymous said...

Acting out yet another religious scene?

Boring, even by Duggar standards.

Life is a buffet, but the Duggars are eternally stuck at the plain, white bread station.

Aquamarine2000 said...

And I think it's cute that Jill is giving Josie a piano lesson. Can't wait to see how that turns out... :P

amy said...

The piano lesson is during next Monday's episode.

pumpkin said...

Total rehash of the Noah the Musical experience.

Honestly, are they out of story lines already?

I would like to suggest something to the producers, should they be reading. I watched a program the other day on the History channel about Biblical archaeology and excavations in the Holy Land. I think it would be a great multi-episode arch to film several of the other children going to the Holy Land to study and worship where Jesus actually walked and preached.

I went when I was 16 and it definitely impacted my faith. I toured Bethlehem, Galilee, Capurnum, and Jerusalem. It was a fantastic experience and I think that the Duggar children would get a lot out of it.

Erika said...

JimBob was in rare form in this episode "Look everyone, it's Jesus!" like they were going to see Mickey Mouse at Disneyland or something.

I think Michelle at least tried to explain to the children that it wasn't actually Jesus, thankfully. JimBob's treatment of it all seemed very nonchalant and I think if Michelle wasn't making an effort to explain, it could have really confused the younger children -- odd, because you would think that Jesus would be one subject they'd want the little ones to be as crystal clear about as possible.

ennvee said...

I stand corrected. I checked out dictionary.com and Jill's pronunciation of "midwifery" is actually correct. Imagine the surprise of an English major whose been pronouncing it with a long I all these years. :D

Anonymous said...

Isn't it enough that Josie has to have tape on her face in case she should need oxygen. Why, oh why is it necessary for her to either have those stupid, stupid pig tails on her head or one of those bands with a big flower? She is a beautiful little baby. She does not need any enhancement.

I also find it troublesome that all while Michelle was on her excursion, all she could talk about was Josie. There are four little ones who are in desperate need of someone taking over and giving them some attention. I am no expert, but Jackson, cute as he is, should not have so much control where the little ones are concerned. He down not seem to have very much control over his own actions. Was there no one around when he was sitting in the stroller with Jordyn? These four little ones seem to be alone a great deal. Little Jennifer's speech does not seem to have improved a great deal. I wonder if she is getting any attention or help with that. Johanna almost tipped Jordyn over in the stroller. We see film where Jordyn seems to be running behind people and alone.

The Duggars, in my view, seem very lax with the safety and security of their children.

Anonymous said...

I especially liked the owner of the Great American Passion Play (or whatever the title is) remarking that the actor playing Jesus resembled him so much with his blond (highlighted!) hair. Do they really not know what Jewish people of that time looked like?

It was interesting that the little kids were kinda meh over meeting "Jesus".

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for the littlest children. Michelle spoke constantly about how hard it was to be away frrom Josie (which i understand given the circumstances), but she didn't say anything about how nice it was to spend time with her other little babies who have desperately needed her.

I also thought it was interesting how the family reacted to "Jesus". Talk about confusing!! These poor little kids with no connection to the outside world probably thought he was coming to "collect" them! And the way the parents made it sound, you'd think it really was Jesus himself! Being a Christian, I felt that this was bordering on blasphemy.

The highlight of the show wass watching Jill with Josie. I think Jill will make a great midwife, she is really patient and loving, but seems to also have a good head on her shoulders.

Anonymous said...

Two things: Jordyn running behind Michelle as they walked to the bus was so unsafe. That bothered me.

Also seeing Jordyn's little pause and pivot when she saw the actor who played Jesus was so hilarious.She was playing in the open area and then she looked up and ran. Too cute!

Cupcake said...

Sounded like "Jesus" was dispointed when the kids didn't run up to him. I thought he was CREEPY! I'm with Jordyn, I would have turned away from him too!

ennvee said...

After doing a little research, if Jill is using the Gothard materials, she won't qualify to be anything more than a doula. Gothard's legalistic system will not allow Jill to go to a proper college to get a real nursing/midwifery certification.

I just wish Gothard and his cronies wouldn't put words into innocent mouths like this. If they can certify Jill to a midwife, which takes a couple of years, say so. But looking at her study packet, her education doesn't appear to be that comprehensive. Where are the real textbooks? One thin spiral bound reader ain't gonna cut it if she's going to help deliver babies of anyone I know. Sorry Jill.

Anonymous said...

I'm wondering if Michelle and Jim Bob actually use their bathroom for the intended use, after seeing the set up they have there (including microwave) for fixing Josie's bottles and meds. I really hope not because it doesn't sound too sanitary. (Sorry to be gross but you have to admit it's a bit concerning.)

Junie Pie said...

The last two seasons, I watched every new episode (thanks to Tivo). Even the ones that had boring descriptions.

I watched the first episode last week, and got through Stanley's dinner before I couldn't stand it anymore. Didn't even consider watching this week- and am glad I didn't, after seeing this page. SO BORING!

TLC, the Duggars aren't interesting enough to carry a weekly show, let alone two. Cut 'em down to 2-3 episodes a season, and you'll get better ratings.

Anonymous said...

OMG, I totally agree about the bottle prep in the bathroom! YUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK!

Anonymous said...

I, too, was a little disturbed with the little ones in the freezer. I really don't think there is much structure in their little lives. I do think that Jackson is a touch more active than normal and that does not seem to be addressed by his parents. Jennifer also needs some attention with her speech and that does not seemed to be addressed by the parents. This would be a terrific opportunity for Michelle to show some real issues and resolutions in this family instead of the sanitized version always on display for the cameras.

I get the impression that the older girls are getting a little tired with their jurisdictions with the result that Jackson is in charge and leads them in fending for themselves. Michelle certainly seems detached from her little ones. She makes a point of kissing Jordyn on camera, but that little girl does not seem to have a clue that Michelle is her mother.

I know little Josie had a pretty rough beginning, but there are other children in that home and Jim Bob and Michelle are responsible for them.

Anonymous said...

I think Jill is responsible, sweet, and loving. She enjoys babies so truly seems to love helping take care of her younger sibs. I was the same way when I was in my teens; I loved babysitting my numerous younger relatives. It's wonderful that Jill can be trusted to look after Josie. She is a hardworking young lady, and I think she will do a good job as a midwife.

Also, Josie looks great for her preemie age. I am a grandmother of preemies so I have a little experience in this realm. It's not unusual for a baby born that early to still need O2 while they sleep; she may be off it by now as these episodes were filmed months ago. Thankfully, Josie has (so far) escaped a lot of the complications that some preemies have.

I'm beyond tired of reading comments about Josie's fake pigtails. Could this please get added to the dead horse list? Boring to read it over and over.

Anonymous said...

Jill really can't be a midwife. One needs hands on nursing experience, from an accredited program, to do that.

Maybe she can be a doula (and would be a good one at that), but not a midwife, at least with the "training" she is getting now.

Anonymous said...

"But looking at her study packet, her education doesn't appear to be that comprehensive. Where are the real textbooks? One thin spiral bound reader ain't gonna cut it if she's going to help deliver babies of anyone I know. Sorry Jill."

"Jill really can't be a midwife. One needs hands on nursing experience, from an accredited program, to do that.

Maybe she can be a doula (and would be a good one at that), but not a midwife, at least with the "training" she is getting now."
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We saw a few clips of Jill reading one packet of material. I don't see how we can assume anything about her midwifery training from those clips. She might be in an accredited program. That book might be just one of many she's reading, in addition to going to class and reading 'real textbooks'. While we can see they follow Gothard teachings closely, I don't know that we can draw the conclusion that the midwifery training is all from Gothard programs. After all, her first-responder training wasn't.

Is it just me, or do we seem to be jumping to conclusions more rapidly now than in the past? I feel like it's increased since the 'fire skirts' episode.

Anonymous said...

Re the midwife vs. doula discussion --

There are specific laws pertaining to this in Arkansas (and probably all states). One must be licensed as a Certified Nurse Midwife, by the American College of Nurse Midwives and must also be licensed by the Arkansas Nursing Board (or appropriate nursing authority of a bordering state). "The CNM must be currently practicing obstetrics."

An internet program or home study program will not garner Jill the ability or proper education to become a midwife in Arkansas, and probably not even to be considered as an Apprentice Lay Midwife.

For specific details on how one would become an Apprentice Lay Midwife, see pages 8-9 of the Rules and Regulations Governing the Practice of Lay Midwifery in Arkansas. It's clear and concise and I doubt Jill is going to be able to meet all those requirements under the restrictions put in place by Gothard and her parents.

At most, it appears that Jill could become a doula. I found an organization that offers training that is located in Little Rock. A doula
gives emotional, physical and informational support." They don't take care of the actual delivery - a health care professional should do that, although I have heard that in some Gothard and similar religious families, the father is the one who delivers the baby. I think often it's because they don't have the money (for insurance, etc.), so they give birth at home.

Anyway, I think Jill may be studying to become a doula, not a midwife.

Jen said...

"I don't know that we can draw the conclusion that the midwifery training is all from Gothard programs. After all, her first-responder training wasn't."

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This is a very good point. We also do not know were Jill might me in a midwifery course/liscencing. The test she was studying for might have been to get into the program not a final exam.
Where I lived to be a licensed midwife at the end of your training you had to follow/shadow/work with a OB for a year. That does not mean Arkansas has that rule.
We do not know if Jill is planning working for her Apprentice midwife, lay midwife, or Certified nurse Midwife all of which names of Arkansas midwifes
Here is Arkansas's requirements for the above listed (http://www.healthy.arkansas.gov/aboutADH/RulesRegs/LayMidwifery.pdf

Jen said...

Seems to me Jill could be very well on her way to being a midwife

Apprentice midwife AR requirements

1 GED or higher - check
2. Negative TB test - that could probably be done if it hasn't already
3. Rubella immunization - again could probably be done if it hasn't already
4. Certificate by Red Cross to do CPR on adults and infants - this was probably done with first responded training.

Then to become a Licensed midwife and practice on your own you add these requirements
5. Practical experience completed under a Physician, CNM, or licensed lay midwife. _ this would fit with the Duggars shadowing/apprentice/ learning from others philosophy
6. Pass the midwife test with 75% or higher. This might be the test she was studying for it might not have been

Aquamarine2000 said...

I just watched this today. I didn't like it as much as other episodes, but you can never go wrong with an episode of 19 kids and counting!

Allison said...

I'm not sure why they would say she was studying to be a midwife if that wasn't true. If she was studying to be a doula, they'd say that. They've used the word "doula" in interviews before, so it's not like they don't know the difference (or maybe they don't...). Anyway, until we hear one way or another about what Jill's plans are, I think we should take it at face value. Until they say otherwise, Jill is studying to be a midwife.

Anonymous said...

There's actually a school in Fayetteville called Arkansas Midwives School and Services. I wouldn't be surprised if Jill is taking classes from there. It seems that she is studying to become a direct-entry midwife where apprenticeship is allowed, and you don't have to be a nurse to be licensed. Check out these two links:

http://cfmidwifery.org/states/states.aspx?ST=AR

http://mana.org/laws/laws_ar.htm

Anonymous said...

The Duggars say things all the time that turn out to be versions of the truth. Remember that Josh and Anna said they had a midwife at their birth, and it turns out there was only a doula there.

So, I don't think we know exactly what Jill is or isn't doing, and the speculation that she is in some accredited course or not is just speculation (on both sides),.

Jen said...

It appears that Teresa Elder LM, Director of Education is the contact person for the Arkansas Midwives School and Services in Fayetteville . I wonder if that is the same Teresa that taught the Bradley classes and attended the home birth of Josh and Anna'a first baby.

If it is then it is quite plausible that Jill is talking classes from there. It would certainly be grand if Jill was able to reach her plans/dreams of being a midwife.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused because I thought that it had been discovered that Josie was allergic to breast milk, and that was part of why she was having problems early on. So why is she getting breast milk added to whatever manufactured formula they are giving her?

Anonymous said...

I'm confused because I thought that it had been discovered that Josie was allergic to breast milk, and that was part of why she was having problems early on. So why is she getting breast milk added to whatever manufactured formula they are giving her?




where did you see she got breast milk? I saw a two min. clip on tlc a while back, that showed the kids loading up her breast milk and taking it to the hospital to give to the program, where they let other babies use it.

Jen said...

"where did you see she got breast milk?"

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Jill mentioned that it was being added to the formula when she was in the bathroom mixing up a bottle for Josie.

Anonymous said...

"Where did you see she got breast milk?"
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When Jill is making the bottle in the bathroom (YUCK), she says she added however many CCs of breast milk to the formula.

Anonymous said...

A bathroom is not a very sanitary place to prepare a premie's bottle. Michelle should set this all up somewhere that isn't so easily contaminated.

Lisa said...

During an interview that Michelle did with the Living the Dream Mom radio program last October she mentioned more information about what Jill was studying. During the program she said that Jill was studying to be a doula and doing her training with a midwife. During this training she has been able to attend the births of babies to further her education.

Kitten said...

"A bathroom is not a very sanitary place to prepare a premie's bottle."

Amen to that.

Here's an article:
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1839

A couple of videos, presented in an amusing manner, but with real info:
http://www.squidoo.com/scary-video

And a nifty video giving you a straight visual:
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/time-warp-toilet-flush.html

Let's hope this "encourages" the Duggars to figure out a better place to prepare Josie's bottles...

Anonymous said...

It looked to me like at least the shower was rendered useless due to all the equipment moved into it. You KNOW Michelle didn't leave the hospital without significant instruction regarding care for Josie. I'm willing to believe they are using the bathroom only for Josie's care and handwashing. After all, aren't there something like 8 other bathrooms in the house to use for non-Josie care?

Anonymous said...

I'm willing to believe they are using the bathroom only for Josie's care and handwashing
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You may be right - although we can't be sure unless they say so on the show. However, that leads to my question:

Why in the world would you convert a bathroom to a place where you prepare bottles or other food for your preemie child??

I know the house is large, but surely Michelle could prepare a bottle downstairs in the kitchen and then walk it upstairs to feed Josie, and the bottle of milk would still be plenty warm by the time she arrived at the bedroom.

Is it laziness?

I grew up in a large two story home as well, and we had 8 kids and lots of midnight feedings. My mom never once prepared a bottle in the upstairs bathroom, but always down in the kitchen.

I guess it blows my mind that this arrangement ever crossed Michelle's mind. Is she really so unable to walk downstairs in the night to prepare a bottle for Josie? If so, yet another example of why she should have stopped having children by now. Too old.

Anonymous said...

Maybe keeping Josie's stuff in the bathroom is necessary to keep it separate from anything/anyone else? I could see where they wouldn't want any little hands around Josie's stuff, and seeing how much free rein they have in the kitchen/rest of the house, maybe this is the solution that works for them?

Anonymous said...

I could see where they wouldn't want any little hands around Josie's stuff, a
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Again, a practical idea -- although why they would select a bathroom is still beyond me.

However, we've seen that Josie apparently is no longer in a protective bubble, as younger siblings have been pushing her around, touching her with their presumably germy hands, etc. So if the idea is supposedly to keep Josie safe from germs, they're doing a lousy job of it. Preparing bottles in a bathroom, and letting the little kids handle her somewhat roughly to boot.

No, I'm afraid that what we're seeing is someone too lazy to make her bottles downstairs in the kitchen.

The Duggars have plenty of money. Convert some space upstairs into a kitchenette if walking downstairs is getting too hard for Michelle in the night.

Anonymous said...

I also think there are plenty of other places in the house where they could have stowed the mini fridge and microwave, even if they wanted it upstairs because Michelle (or the older girls) didn't want to go downstairs at night.

Somehow, even if that bathroom is scoured to perfection, it is STILL a bathroom, and a toilet, even a clean toilet, still has germs.

It is still gross and still something that would never, ever cross my mind, even for a full term baby. I'd never risk the germs with a premie.

Anonymous said...

I certainly would not like to see anything even close to Kate and her drama. In my view, the Roliffs were more real. Oh, sure, it did go a little "pear shaped", but it, at least was honest, human, adult.

There are 19 offspring in that household. I don't mean we should be allowed to delve into very personal, painful situations. The constant "sugar" is just too much. Nobody lives like that. If they do, it is not normal, in my view.

I think Jim Bob and Michelle should get away from the cameras. They should start acting like a real family and not so contrived for the audience. If they don't need the money from TLC, then they should start focusing on their younger children and the future of those children. They both need to put their energies into that, not TV shows and books. They have young adults who are tied to the home. None of them seem to have any close friends outside the family. It is just too sheltered.

If History is any indication, one of the offspring will become engaged. Jim Bob will not let this money tree die.

Anonymous said...

Do you really think Jim Bob is not using that toilet in the master bath (especially at night) and is hotfooting it downstairs or to the boys' bathroom? Not likely for the patriarch.

AM MD said...

As an MD I was completely taken aback that Jim Bob and Michelle prepare bottles in a bathroom. Regardless of how well they may have cleaned it, the water in the tank and bowl can still harbor germs. I don't see Jim Bob using his 1/2 can of hairspray in another room. I also couldn't believe Jim Bob's comment when they took Josie to air field. He said since it was a nice day there wouldn't be so many germs. I wonder if he thought about the fuel fumes? Because it appears she is still on O2 at night her lungs are probably delicate. There's nothing like plane exhaust to tickle the lungs of a preemie.

Cyn said...

Convert some space upstairs into a kitchenette if walking downstairs is getting too hard for Michelle in the night.
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They did convert some space upstairs into a kitchenette, the small master bathroom. The boys room is not that far down the hall so I'm quite sure that if they need a bathroom they use one of the others.

As for converting the space due to laziness, this I doubt. Being able to take care of Josie (who ever is doing it) day or night without having to go up and down the stairs through all the kids and distractions makes perfect sense to me. We kept the powder in the bottoms of the bottles and would go to the bathroom we used on a regular basis to put the warm water in it.

Unless some one is using the toilet at the time you are making the bottle, simply storing the ingredients in the clear plastic drawer units we saw in the bathtub would keep the germs off the items. They have been doing this since Josie came home from little rock, and she hasn't gotten sick yet. That alone tells me what ever reason they are doing it, it's not hurting Josie in the least.

I also bet JimBob does his hair spraying and what not all else in the boys room or in the hall as well. That bathroom had been completely taken over by Josie's stuff, so had their Master closet (small as it is).

Anonymous said...

They did convert some space upstairs into a kitchenette, the small master bathroom
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Yeah, but that's not really a conversion. A true conversion would have removed the toilet and tank, and the tub/shower, redo the drywall as necessary, put in a kitchen sink and counter, some shelving and pantry-like cupboards, and a mini fridge, at the very least.

They "repurposed" that bathroom, but they did not convert it.

I still find it rather odd that with a house so large, they could not manage to find any other sort of room to use for Josie's feeding things, than the master bathroom.

I think the Duggars are just ignorant of many things, including the many places germs reside. JimBob's comment that taking Josie to an airfield on a nice day would be fine because the "air is clean" shows a rather high level of ignorance about air pollution from airplane fumes. It's no wonder they figured using a bathroom to prepare a preemie's bottles would be just fine.

Seriously, they all need to read and get out more, a lot more.