Duggars on Today Show November 8

The Duggars are scheduled to appear tomorrow morning for an announcement.  Speculate away.  BTW, please remember I am in Pacific time so your morning comments of the news will be waiting until I wake up and get some tea.  Thanks.

113 comments:

Iva said...

My guess is that John David is engaged.

Reality TV Junkie said...

My bet? Michelle is pregnant. If so, this will be the longest time between pregnancies for her. I'm HOPING that it would be something like they are adopting, or they're moving; Something non-controversial. If Anna is pregnant, oh my goodness, I don't know what to say.

ennvee said...

John-David and Anna Hackel engagement. Or the family panicked when Josh read the buzz about Jana's new ring after last week's episode, called their publicist and got this sudden "special announcement" on the show. I personally think her ring is just a purity ring upgrade and my money is on the former; I've had either the "home church" house or that nasty one they were cleaning out last winter pegged as his new place...then Anna H. started popping up with the family last June. Now her blog is down (I read what little there was on it a few weeks ago)...hmmm.....

Given the pics of Michelle we've seen as recently as last week, I seriously doubt it's #20. If it is, she's a fool to announce it so early, given her age and obviously the circumstances of Josie's birth.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I'm betting on #3 for the Joshies. Michelle did say there would be criticism about something and I would certainly be critical of being pregnant when you have 2 under the age of 2 already. (It's not like they are 40 and can't wait another year.)

Rainbow68 said...

Michelle has been eating the Boca Burgers again - she looks great. I don't think it's a Michelle pregnancy. It has to be an engagement.

pumpkin said...

My money is on John David and Anna Hackel.

I saw Jana's ring and wondered what that was about, but I wear lots of different rings on different days and nobody ever made a big deal about it. Maybe she just likes rings.

It could possibly be a new pregnancy for Anna, but I hope not for her sake!

sandi said...

Michelle did intro Anna H. on the show,so I'm thinking she must be important somehow.Most likely via an engagement to John David would be my guess.
So I will speculate it's either that,or another pregnancy (gasp!) for Anna or Michelle.I hope it's the former,for their health's sake.Both of them.

sandi said...

Just saw the criticism comment by Michelle..ok then,it would have to be another pregnancy,right? I can't see John David becoming engaged sparking any real criticism,though I could be wrong.
If it's a pregnancy,my guess would be Anna and Josh.

Lianne said...

Did they announce Josh's wedding on the Today show? I think they generally reserve those for baby announcements...and I can't believe Anna could be preggers again so soon

ennvee said...

I don't think Michelle's "There will be criticism" has anything to do with this announcement. I think that's more geared to their lifestyle in general. It may also be a red herring; the last time they had a Q&A show, she said something leading and it didn't appear on the show. It was strictly a teaser.

I forgot to add that they'll definitely be pimping the overseas trip in addition to the "announcement." That's what TLC pays them to do.

Hannah Leah said...

If it John David. It goes against them going in birth order(In Dating Duggars Style)

I Heart My Rabbit said...

Oh dear, congratulations on #20 Duggar family. Hope everything goes well.

taurus0385 said...

They announced that michelle is pregnant and due in april.

taurus0385 said...

They announced that michelle is pregnant and due in april.

Unknown said...

Wish it had been an engagement!

Whitney said...

So baby # 20 is on the way, and I bet Michelle and Jim Bob are so thrilled in part, because they can interpret this as a sign of G8d's favor after all the issues with Josie.

I bet they see this as a validation that they are living their lives "the right way" and that they show has not steered them off onto the wrong path.

So now, more Mother of the Year awards for Michelle, more $ for Jim Bob plus he "beats" The Bateses, more kids for the girls to raise and another season or 2 of the show.

"And Je$u$ wept."

Mary in Ohio said...

Number 20 is on the way! Wow. All I can say is Wow.

~ Mel ~ said...

#20 on the way for Michelle. *shaking my head*

Anonymous said...

I'm at a loss for words! The first thing I noticed was that while 3 of the 4 older girls were holding babies Jim Bob and Michelle were obliviously holding hands in their matching shirts. I guess Jessa or Jinger (whichever one didn't have a baby in her arms) is in line for a new buddy. Honestly, I guess I just don't understand these people at all. On thing's for sure though, there will be another season of their show.

mom in texas said...

And so it continues. It's official. Number 20 due in April. I have to admit I was slightly flabbergasted but not totally surprised. I had three notions of what this "special announcement" could be. I thought maybe a courtship but those aren't usually announced via the Today Show. I also thought it was just a teaser for the season finale. The last and maybe the one I hoped the least for was a pregnancy announcement from either Anna or Michelle. But it is Michelle. Wow. They sat there and announced it and not one grumbled or remark from the kids. Of course Josh spoke up first as if this child will make a difference in his life. The girls kept the same plastered smiles. With the exception of JoyAnna. I pray that Michelle and the baby are safe but goodness when will this end for them?

Lindy said...

So, Michelle is pregnant with baby #20. I was hoping that it would be an engagement, given her health issues with having Josie and also Josie being a preemie.

I seriously doubt that we will see any of the older Duggar girls (Jana especially) leaving the compound, at least while the show is on.

taurus0385 said...

I was hoping that anna is pregnant or one of the kids is getting married.

Willow said...

Wow. Just saw the Duggars on Today show and heard the announcement about #20. Its not so much that it is a surprise, I am just shaking my head at how they never learn and grow or change. Same look on their faces - same sound of Michelle's voice as she is the center of attention AGAIN and oh, sorry, Josh was the other center of attention just a little bit. THEN they do the same old, tired line of "Jim Sammons Seminar" and "buy used and save the difference" because Ann Curry had to ask them the same old tired questions. Are they kidding? We all know they don't have to worry about saving the difference anymore. Poor John David probably can't save money to get married because he has to keep leaving his towing business to go to New York. Unbelievable. You think these people would get bored with themselves - I know I am bored with them now.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Well, you have just got to be kidding. This is so disgusting I don't know what to say. I despise these people.

Sharla said...

Oh, my. My daughter is due in April. I really didn't expect this that Michelle would have another one.

Sharla said...

I think they are fudging a little with the dates already and using Michelle's schedule c-section date as the due date. They aren't finding out whether it's a boy or girl until close to Christmas and that would be an early May baby. Michelle is probably only 14 weeks along or so.

Anonymous said...

Ann Curry and the Today Show should be ashamed for parading these clowns in front of people again. Who paid for their trip to NYC? With everything else going on in this country today, you give these people a platform. I will never watch the Today Show nor the Duggers again.

Andrea said...

I actually feel ill. This planet already has 7 billion people on it. What makes the Jim Bob and Michelle think that they and their blessings are entitled to more than any other family? I’m referring to fresh water, clean air, food, etc. Oh, I forgot, they believe it’s important to use up as much of the earth’s resources as possible, thus ensuring the end of the earth, because everyone knows Christian will have direct access to heaven. This is just so screwed up on some many levels. My heart breaks for the children, some of whom are so clearly indoctrinated and delusional. Love Joy-Anna, she looked like she couldn’t care less and she’d have preferred to have spent her morning anywhere else. If any of the adult Duggar children read this, I want you to know, there are nice / honest / Christian people out in the world that want to help you. You deserve a college education, you deserve to live your own life, you deserve a job outside of the home and a paycheque. GOOD LUCK and break free before it’s too late

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I have to say I feel bad for the other people in the Duggars' health insurance pool. If the last pregnancy and hospital stay didn't bankrupt it, this next one will for sure. (Is it possible that she and the baby will have a normal and completely issue free pregnancy? Of course. Is it probable? Highly unlikely.)

londonbridges said...

I guess JimBob was right when he said they are trying to conceive #20. My comments are not fit to print, so I will pass on them.

Anonymous said...

The clip on People.com shows Josh and Anna's reaction to the news. Anna says, hopefully we will be catching up to them soon and exchanges a look with Josh who makes a similar comment. On the new preview for tonight's show, Josh makes announcement that his parents aren't the only ones with news. I think they are both pregnant!

Mandy said...

I'm excited for baby #20.
A) Because it's exciting for the Duggars, whether everyone else agrees with their decisions or not.
B) It's exciting for me because it means that they'll have to have at least one more season, and that might buy us enough time to get to another courtship/wedding, which is what all of us are waiting for.

Patrice said...

Totally appalled. I feel so bad for all of those kids. The older girls have more and more years ahead of them of being unpaid slaves. The middle kids just swim along with no education, discipline or structure for their lives; the flock of little girls are all but ignored and now another one to add to the mix. 20 uneducated humans who are trained to think that their only value in life is the quantity of more uneducated humans they can produce. So sad...

Rainbow68 said...

Congratulations, Sharla!

AddiMom said...

So disappointed. I was really wanting an engagement announcement instead of baby #20. Michelle looks so fit and healthy as of late- the elliptical gift explains that. You would think (hope, pray...)that she would enjoy that feeling more.

Prayers for health and a safe delivery, but hopes that this will indeed be the LAST one.

Sharla said...

Rainbow, thank you!

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I agree with Anonymous that the OurJoshies are pregnant with #3. Good gravy. To think of being 23 years old with 2 kids, one on the way and a mother-in-law who is also pregnant is beyond my reasoning.

Sharla said...

Now on the TLC website:
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/19-kids-and-counting-season-5-webisodes/#mkcpgn=tbtlc18

taurus0385 said...

Boo it wont play on my phone

ennvee said...

Holy guacamole. Thtat's the LAST thing I expected. I am personally sick.

I counted back and she was knocked up (although she probably hadn't tested yet) when she was waterskiing. So much for strenuous sports while pregnant. It goes to show those little embryos are tougher than Michelle and Anna give them credit for.

mom in texas said...

One more comment. As a mother, a educator with a degree in psychology, heck as a human being with common sense I have to ask has Jim Bob and Michelle noticed the change in JoyAnna at all? This seems to be beyond normal teenage angst. This poor girl appears to be miserable. As I stated before she was the only one of the Duggar older girls who wasn't smiling or happy.I feel like she knows her sisters are getting older and may (and that is a strong may) be soon one day leaving to start their own families which will leave JoyAnna as the oldest girl with a gaggle of younger brothers and sisters behind her. It is like she is getting a glimpse of her future and it looks bleak. I can't imagine that Jim Bob and Michelle have even taken the time to notice the light go out in their daughter. They were too busy shooting for #20. I hope that someone takes notice to Joy before it's too late. I have watched her personality evaporate and that is sad.

shaking my head said...

I weep for all the children in foster care that need adopting,even at risk of being duggars:) But that will never happen- Mr Bill Gothard doesn't approve of adopting...bad seed and all
I will never ever understand the Duggar mindset. I only hope that some day , some or all of the children will bring free of the shackles that bound them....there is a way to be in the world , but not of it, that many other Christians embrace, without being so 'extreme'.
God love them and watch over the Duggar children. Father forgive them, I really don't think they know what they do...

YUCK! said...

Absolutely disgusting. These people will stop at nothing to sell their family for money. I despise them.

Oh LORD. Watch the TLC video...Jim Bob says that maybe one of their children will be a "famous scientist" or "president"...oh, sure! They're so uneducated that they can't even speak in grammatically correct sentences...not one of those kids will amount to more than being female brood mares or owners of towing businesses.

YUCK!

PatK said...

I think this is absolutely disgusting news, with what they just went through with Josie. I know they've been chomping at the bit to get pregnant again, but why oh why would they take the risk of possibly going through that again?

I'm disappointed in Josh and Anna if they are also expecting again so soon. I was hoping they had more sense than trying to carry on the family mass production tradition.

mk said...

I am praying that Baby #20 doesn't have any complications! I think regardless of our views on whether or not he/she should have been conceived in the first place, we can all hope for a healthy, safe delivery for Michelle and Baby 20.

Just Me said...

I can't believe Michelle and Jim Bob can say with a straight face that one of their children could be "a scientist that cures cancer, the president or an astronaut". They aren't even allowed to take courses at an accredited physical college much less learn about evolution, a necessity for anyone in the sciences. I only hope that one of the younger kids benefits with the mingling with the "outside world" and is able to break free at some point and get a real education.

Jenny O said...

It's very sad that these two parents don't put the needs of their already born children first, instead of their selfish desire for the limelight and their competition with the Bates.

Their selfishness is mind-boggling.

I think the older girls need to revolt and ask their grandmother if they can't all just move off somewhere else together. Take Grandma Duggar and escape their indentured servitude. If a family had 20 dogs or 20 cats, we'd call them animal hoarders. Can't see any difference between that and the Duggar parents. Something ain't right upstairs!

sandi said...

Do the Duggars watch the parts before they come on,anyone know? Because the only good thing (and I hope Michelle has a healthy baby and pregnancy,I really do) besides that I can think to say is that I thought the interview with Bill Clinton was excellent,and I hope at least some of them got the inkling of the idea that voting straight ticket party isn't always the best thing for our country.I hope the Today Show gave them something to chew on,besides another pregnancy.

Willow said...

Whether or not the Duggars can afford more children is one thing - as is the "carbon footprint et al" issue -- but the part that is so intolerable to me is the selfishness of heaping more and more work on their other children and the inability to adequately parent that many children. Their children may be happy on some levels but they are suffering on many others. They are raising themselves for the most part. If they would just HIRE out some of the work, child-rearing and teaching that their older children do, their selfishness would not be so great. They hve really pushed it too far this time, IMO. Other aspects of their lives would have been more interesting than repeating the "we're expecting again" mantra.

Sarah said...

I think Michelle is really mentally ill. Probably Jim Bob too. People are not designed to have litters of children. People are not meant to hoard children, like they are dolls or collectibles. People are not meant to simply deliver children and pawn them off on their older girls to raise.

I really think that there is something wrong with these people. The scare of Josie's birth was apparently not enough, and now Michelle seems content to lose her life in pursuit of #20, if need be. Of course, if she dies, the children won't be motherless, since their "real" mothers will still be there. Michelle is simply an incubator, and she knows it, since she is so cavalier about something happening to her and her intentions of carrying another baby regardless.

Poor girls. The chance of their every getting off the compound are growing slimmer by the moment. They are easily going to be 30 year old SisterMoms or StayAtHomeDaughters.

Kitten said...

that might buy us enough time to get to another courtship/wedding, which is what all of us are waiting for.

Please. A LOT of us are waiting for the cancellation notice that would finally get this family out of the spotlight and let at least SOME of those poor children grow up without a camera stuck in their face. And a LOT of us are hoping that there are no courtships or weddings for some years to come, so that the older children get a chance to explore ALL of life's possibilities.

Count me out of your "all of us." I'm depressed by their news, precisely because it means there will definitely be at least one more "season" of this circus.

Patrice said...

I can't believe Michelle and Jim Bob can say with a straight face that one of their children could be "a scientist that cures cancer, the president or an astronaut". They aren't even allowed to take courses at an accredited physical college...
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Exactly! College? I doubt that a single one of those kids could pass an exam appropriate to their age group. In fact I doubt any of them would succeed in a third grade classroom, even those who supposedly graduated HS "with honors" at 15 or 16. I could also work up a childlike curriculum based on Bible stories and hand gestures and only teach my children the bare basics of reading, and then "graduate" them at an early age. I doubt a single one of the Duggars knows any math beyond the simplest equations; they are not allowed to read classics or anything that is not in the Wisdom Booklets or the Bible; they probably don't even know the term "critical thinking"; do I need to continue? What these parents have done to stifle the minds of their children is awful. On the video on their website, someone asks what they think of The Beatles. Were Jim and Michelle serious when they started answering about the beetles the kids love to pick up in the yard? And then Michelle confessed that even the older kids probably had no idea who the rock group was. If they don't even know the basics of well-known icons, history, current news, etc. they are certainly not going to succeed in any sort of learning institution. Very pathetic excuse for parents.

tulip said...

Oh wow guys...I find myself shaking my head in agreement with so many of your comments, and I myself have no idea what to say!...really! absolutely speechless. Now, if Josh & Anna are expecting as well? OMG & lordy be! We all know TLC's jumping for joy (and of course Jim Bob)...gotta keep the ol' gravy train rollin!!

Elaine said...

I was hoping for an engagement for Jana so she could just finally move on with her life and find her own happiness.

I hope everything goes well with this pregnancy and that no serious complications arise with either baby or Michelle.

I hope Anna's not pregnant again yet and that was just some sort of teaser. It'd be nice for her to enjoy her new "blessing" plus Mackynzie (not sure of sp?)for a little while longer and adjust to that before having another, but I'm pretty sure she's prego again.

Nikki said...

So many things I want to say, but are unfit to print so I'll leave it at this: It is so very selfish of the parents, and it's so very sad for the older girls despite their plastic smiles and the youngest already neglected girls. This innocent life shouldn't be the center of the controversy, and these adults--parents if you call them that--need to really examine their priorities and adjust their lifestyle according. Sadly, we know this will not happen. Makes my stomach churn. I've tried very hard to like this family since they first came out, but I just can't. I thought they were good, hardworking Christians who could be a great example to others on how to live a Christian life. Instead, they have shown themselves to be as greedy and money hungry as those that they condemn. Worse, they've sold their own children, even those yet born, to their real God: fame and fortune. So sad.

My biggest wonder is this: They spend SO much time traveling in crowded buses and vans WITH their children. Where could they possibly find room to procreate, yet again?

Elaine said...

Oh and congratulations Sharla on your upcoming grandkiddo!!

Seriously? said...

Ick.

There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with these people.

I mean BESIDES their willingness to pop out an annual Baby For Bucks.

Not at ALL 'encouraging'. One more (model J20)undereducated person will be walking the planet, thanks to these two anything-for-a-buck-and-spotlight.

Sharla said...

Thank you, Elaine. :)

HistorianMom said...

I did notice when Ann Curry asked for "thumbs up" from the kids, that neither Joy Anna nor Jinger raised their thumbs.

The Roaming Commoner said...

Oh well, I guess this means even more attention for Michelle, an ego boost for Jimbob, and more work for the older girls. I wonder too about Joy. She looks like she is just plain spent (emotionally and physically). Now that another arrow in the quiver is on it's way, her chances of getting mommy and daddy's needed attention are slim to zero.

tulip said...

I too was hoping (and still holding out) for a wedding, John-David/Jana-or both! Leave & Cleave! It still seems too early to think Josh & Anna would be expecting, AGAIN-but it is possible. I just don't think anyone can stand any more "we're expecting" episodes...trip to the Dr., trip to get the ultrasound (wait for the big surprise during a ratings slump-boy or girl?) and more natural childbirth preparedness classes with Josh looking ultra awkward and Jim Bob cracking jokes.

Joy-Anna looks so over being a Duggar on the Today show interview, and Ann was probably instructed on what questions to ask so Jim Bob could plug Jim Sammons and try to act like they still "buy used & save the difference".

In a later clip, Jessa & Jinger were asked some questions by Today Moms, and in response to them asking what will happen to the Duggar teamwork once the older girls leave home, Jessa responded that she thought "the boys" would do a great job stepping up to the plate...need I say more?

celestrialangie said...

I can't believe that Michelle is pregnant again. I feel for the older girls. It is time for them to get out of that house. I don't see Michelle doing any work. It is the Older Girls doing all the work; and all the baby care.

I am just waiting because this powder cake is getting ready to blow !!! And one day we will get the really story. One of the Duggar children will tell all !!! Might dark horse is JoyAnna.

I love Jill and Jana I pray that they find a place outside of that madness. and if they do get married. Only three children !!! I really don't think that they would want that many.

msrylee said...

Please accept my congrats as well, Sharla. Great news!

I feel so sorry for JoyAnna, as she really doesn't appear to be doing well. And, who really notices, besides the viewers? Shame on JimBob and Michelle.

While I hope this unborn blessing is fine and will be safely delivered, I truly feel sorry for the sister/mommies. They will be kept in Duggarville for a very long time yet. There are several young blessings, including a special needs little one, who need to be raised, and we know that Michelle passes HER babies off upon weaning them. Where will another blessing fit in the girls' room?

I am not encouraged by the Duggars. JMO.

myjeepbeepbeep said...

This might be the answer to the tease that Josh had today.....


19 Kids and Counting
38 Kids & Counting!
TV-G, CC

It's a full house when the Duggars visit their friends, the Bates! Watch as the two large families combine their 38 kids and counting for some fellowship and fun. And the Bates' oldest son, Zach makes a very special announcement...

tulip said...

Oh, actually the clip about the boys wanting to take over the responsibilities after the older girls are out of the house was actually from TLC, Jill & Jinger...anyhow, I find it hard to believe they would quote "enjoy" doing it.

Lindy said...

Perhaps before #20 arrives, Michelle and Jim Bob should allow their adult children to move out of the main house and live on their own, even if it is on the compound in small houses far far away from the main house, or elsewhere in town among the "wolves." At some point, their children will have to deal with peer pressure, and will need to see what paths are right for them.

I do hope that they have a healthy pregnancy and baby. Does anyone know how Michelle's gall bladder removal will affect this pregnancy?

Jaxmom said...

I have mixed feelings. I remember when my husband and I told my Mom that we were pregnant with #4, and she said some really mean things. (That baby isnow her favorite.) My Dad, on the otherhand, said nothing but wonderfil things. Regardless if he truly meant them, it meant so much. I do think all babies should be welcomed. However, I truly wonder if Michelle will surbive this pregnanvy and birth. I feel her OB should have a disvussion with her regarding the risks 17/18 pregnancies (not sure how many sets of twins) has on the body. I'd hate to see 20 motherless kids.

sandi said...

I wonder if they realize what kind of example they are setting for their children...the message I get, loud and clear,is that life isn't worth living unless you are constantly popping out baby after baby after baby.What if some of them are infertile? Are they going to feel useless and worthless then?

Sharla said...

Thank you, msrylee!

Anonymous said...

I agree with several of you who noticed that Michelle, does indeed, look healthier and more fit than ever. She mentioned on the Today show that she is spending one hour each day, 5-6 days a week, on her elliptical. Clearly, that has had a big influence on her health.

But what I want to know, and wish Ann Curry had asked her is: Michelle, while you are enjoying the pleasure and good health that comes with a dedicated 1 hour fitness routine almost every day, who is taking care of all of your "blessings"?

Of course, we all know the answer: the sister-moms are caring for all of those little blessings while Michelle blithely works out to maintain her health. But I wonder: do Jana, Jill, Jessamine, Jinger, and now JoyAnna get a break from their sister-mom responsibilities to enjoy a 1-hour workout each day?

Doubt it.

Shoka's Understudy said...

I have rarely posted here, but to hear that Michelle is pregnant again is sad.

I feel for the baby. And I feel for all the other kids, the older ones, the girls are indentured servants.

The boys are going to have a life of owning tow truck and car lot businesses.

To Jana and Jill and John David to graduate from the dining room table at what 16 and now they are in their early to mid 20's?

To never go to college and experience making new friends outside the Duggar clan, is very sad.

Jim Bob has a lot of nerve to say maybe one of his kids will grow up to be a scientist, astronaut or President. Do you mean Michelle is that good of a teacher? Or does he think that a TLC paid trip will take them to Space Camp in Huntsville and let them pretend to be a astronaut?

I think that even the oldest ones would have a very difficult time to past a college entrance exam.

I was so proud to see Grandma Duggar wearing a pants outfit a while back. Bet Jim Bob and Michelle didn't like that.

They have cheated those kids out of a lot of normal, healthy things, like college, public school, sports (that drives me nuts the most) and they are continuing and by the looks of it now, they are not going to stop until something big happens and I thought that was Josie.

Michelle is in the zone. She is going out a martyr.

Someone posted there are a lot of good Christian people out there that would love to help them.

This is so true.

Nadia Suleman, kate and Jon gosselin and Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar will have after this next blessing:

42 children!

Dar said...

I don't think there is anything left to say. It was bound to happen - can't let the Bates family get ahead.

Michelle states that she would die for her baby. I would ask her if she would live for the blessings to whom she has already given birth. Get involved in their upbringing. She behaves like a detached aunt.

Poor little Josie. Big shock in store for her! I guess that is why she was dragged on an International voyage. I guess she is not as important now. Michelle milked all of that drama and now is on to another. I sincerely think that she is mentally ill. It seems to be a compulsion. Jim Bob is just as bad.

God help those older girls. Soooo unfair. Nothing but work, work, work, and more work.

These two "teenagers" have to be the most selfish couple on television. It is unbelievable, unbelievable, unbelievable!

Elaine said...

re: Willow - Their children may be happy on some levels but they are suffering on many others. They are raising themselves for the most part.
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I agree with this, well said!
I don't think it's fair that the kids have to do so much of the child-rearing of their siblings; they themselves are kids as well and should be allowed to BE kids. While the younger ones do seem to get a lot of play time in, what about all the other stuff that school aged kids do?
And the poor older ones...it's sad to hear the older gals talk about the younger ones as if they are their kids. Like after the announcement tonight when Jana and I think Jessa (could be wrong...) were saying that they had been praying for their mom to have another baby, but "it had been so long between - since the last child"...they don't use "since our sister". It makes it seem like they're the moms (which they kind of are surrogate moms).
I just really hope the older kids (esp. the girls) get to finally branch out soon and see the world outside of their home is really like.

Emily Jensen said...

They need to stop reproducing, this is insane.

hart&sole said...

The older girls have the choice of staying home and raising their siblings, with the benefits that TLC gives them, OR marrying someone that Daddy picks out for them, since he is all-knowing, likely being poor and having babies of their own to raise, by themselves. It seems to me that holding on to their present life style, which they believe is superior anyway, is the better choice. Those girls are never going to a brick and mortar college, never going to have a job, and never going to get the chance to be young adults in the real world. Those things are not among their choices. They are totally unprepared, and have expressed no desire, for independent living so why wish it for them? What is one more 6 month old to care for in that family?

Rainbow68 said...

I just knew the announcement would be Jana being engaged. I really want to see the girls get to experience life as young adults. They have been doing 10 loads of laundry a day for years! They also are helping to educate the children. It does seem that the group of young boys is being groomed to take over the four oldes J-girls' responsibilities if/when they leave home. I hope this child is a girl, as a boy would grow up with no peers. I remember Jim Bob pushing for the name Juliet a couple of babies ago. Who knows what the new name will be?

Anonymous said...

I am not a psychologist, nor do I play one on TV, but here my "diagnosis" of Mrs. Duggar:
she has a form of Muenchhausen by Proxy. She is only happy, while pregnant and with a small infant, and all attention on her. Once the child gets older, it gets handed over.
I have no idea why they think reproducing is such an accomplishment. Every organism on this planet is cabable of reproducing.
Caroline

Jenny O said...

I was saddened to hear the news. I thought that perhaps with the dangers to both mother and child with Josie's birth, that the Duggar parents would be thankful that both were spared and be satisfied with 19 children.

I don't know about Munchausen's by proxy, but I have to agree that Michelle has a sick need for the attention she gets when she is pregnant, or mothering a young infant (seems to last approx. 6 months). She craves to be the center of that particular type of attention. For that, all her children suffer but more so the older girls who are doing the work Michelle should be doing.

I also question her supposed mother's love, when she purposely puts her life in danger to have a 20th child. It seems to me that the needs of her existing children should trump her need to beat Kelly Bates in the baby race. She's not much of a mother, I grant you, but I imagine her children would still miss her if she should die in the process of having this 20th child. Not to mention, should that child survive -- what a lousy way to live your life, knowing you "killed" your mom.

I grew up as part of a large family. It was wonderful in many ways. However, all of us children felt we got less of our mom's attention than we desired. There is no way that Michelle's 18 children still living at home get more than a cursory bit of her time each day. A very sad situation all around. I hope some of those children can escape and lead normal lives one day.

Anonymous said...

Mr. and Mrs. Duggar have no claim to fame except for the fact that they have so many children. The only way they can maintain their business interests and get the strokes they thrive on is to increase their genetic brood. Everyone is always in every photo op, including Grandma, so their immediate family looks as big as possible. No one can leave home or the Duggar image will suffer.

Jimbob, Michelle and Josh have been manipulated to believe that their pregnancies are national news. It's shortsighted parenting to line up and showcase your assets on national news particularly for the reason that they exist. When Michelle said "we have a good relationship with the Today Show," she was confusing media celebrities for personal friends. She doesn't realize she is an oddity and on the Today Show as a ratings draw for a network. Just because people treat others warmly in a direct way doesn't mean they aren't snickering behind their backs while they're in the green room. Josh is now going down the same path. He said regarding their second announcement, "What better way to announce the news than on the Today Show?" Like father, like son.

Regarding school, it's unusual to homeschool children from prekindergarten through college. Teens and adults normally do online college classes because they can't fit a job schedule or wife/kids obligations with a class schedule, not because they're not considered unprepared to leave their parents' nest. Common sense tells us that we have to let our children go if we love them more than ourselves and want them to be healthy adults. But these parents can't let them go because it diminishes their image as parents of a mega-sized brood and all the attention and awards that come with it.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Jenny O, don't forget that Michelle is napping and exercising on the elliptical for an hour a day (according to her third People magazine article since this thing broke). That's even less time that she's got for the blessings who are already here.

Oh, and if you read that article, she says she is eating lots of protein and green veggies now (and no caffeine). So...is that an admission that their diet of tater tot casserole, chickenetti and Stouffer's lasagna really is crap like we've been saying all along?

Jennifer said...

"Jim Bob has a lot of nerve to say maybe one of his kids will grow up to be a scientist, astronaut or President. Do you mean Michelle is that good of a teacher? Or does he think that a TLC paid trip will take them to Space Camp in Huntsville and let them pretend to be a astronaut?"
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Duggars at space camp on a future episode next season


http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/09/19_future_astronauts_and_count.html

I do wonder if Mr. and Mrs. Duggar are naive enough to think that their children can become anything, not realizing that they have limited their children's chances of t becoming future President or future astronauts.

Anonymous said...

I, for the most part, am a fan of the Duggars, but even I had hoped that Josie would be the last Duggar baby. Since it had been so long since Josie's birth I wondered if either they were using birth control or Mother Nature had finally taken over.

We could discuss until we are blue in the face whether or not they should have gotten pregnant, but the fact remains that in fact she is expecting. Even though Josie was delivered early and Michelle almost died, they have to carry on with this pregnancy because they believe that life starts at conception.

So, even if Michelle had been using protection and managed to still conceive, no matter what the risks she would keep the baby because abortion is out of the question. Just wanted to throw that out there.

The Roaming Commoner said...

I'm no doctor myself but I completely agree that there could be something totally whacked out in Michelle's mind. I wonder what would have happened if Jimbob and Michelle had never met or at least stayed away from Gothard. Would she have turned out different?

ncgirl said...

"I have to agree that Michelle has a sick need for the attention she gets when she is pregnant, or mothering a young infant (seems to last approx. 6 months). She craves to be the center of that particular type of attention"

I've always thought this about Michelle. Mental illness can be subtle.

"What if some of them are infertile? Are they going to feel useless and worthless then?"

I hope none of the offspring or potential spouses are infertile. Babymaking is so promoted in that family.

"don't forget that Michelle is napping and exercising on the elliptical for an hour a day"

There's nothing wrong with living healthier, but this is getting in Kate Gosselin territory. I know Michelle won't be as ridiculous as Kate, but it seems when these reality "stars" become famous, they start working on their looks. Maybe Mrs. Duggar will get a boob job next? LOL

sandi said...

>The older girls have the choice of staying home and raising their siblings, with the benefits that TLC gives them, OR marrying someone that Daddy picks out for them, since he is all-knowing, likely being poor and having babies of their own to raise, by themselves. It seems to me that holding on to their present life style, which they believe is superior anyway, is the better choice. Those girls are never going to a brick and mortar college, never going to have a job, and never going to get the chance to be young adults in the real world. Those things are not among their choices. They are totally unprepared, and have expressed no desire, for independent living so why wish it for them? What is one more 6 month old to care for in that family?
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sadly,I agree.At least they live in a very nice house and have commercial washers n dryers,and a super nice commercial kitchen in which to prepare meals.Marriage for the girls would only mean not living in the manner in which they are accustomed,and popping out baby after baby of their own,of which they won't have the additional help of siblings like they do now.Plus Daddy Duggar may expect them to get the births on film for tlc,which they may not be too happy with,but I can't imagine they (and anyone Jim Bob approves of to marry them) would have the nerve to say NO.
Perhaps it's better he doesn't approve of anyone right now.

sandi said...

>"What if some of them are infertile? Are they going to feel useless and worthless then?"

I hope none of the offspring or potential spouses are infertile. Babymaking is so promoted in that family.

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true,but it might be a blessing in disguise if they were.then they would find out that life is about more than just baby-making.

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"don't forget that Michelle is napping and exercising on the elliptical for an hour a day"

There's nothing wrong with living healthier, but this is getting in Kate Gosselin territory.

It seems Michelle implid she was doing that in order to be as halthy as possbile for another possible pregnancy,and Jim Bob's comment on Today about her being in better health now that she ever has been (I know it's some spin there) but I do think that's what she was shooting for...a healthy body in order to get as healthy a pregnancy as possible.

Anonymous said...

>"What if some of them are infertile? Are they going to feel useless and worthless then?"

Aye, there's the rub. Given Josh seems to be bullying his wife into the same sort of routine his father follows by getting pregnant as soon as possible I don't see any Duggar children being accepted and loved unless they start producing babies pronto.

I expect any marriage that doesn't produce children within the first year to be invalidated and annulled somewhere, somehow. The Duggars won't stand to have any less than fertile men and women in their circle.

The sad thing is that Josh is also on the way to ruin with this sort of thinking - Jim Bob might have managed financially to keep the family solvent but Josh is already starting behind the eight-ball with limited education and a father who won't let him expand his horizons beyond owning one or two used car lots. It'll take more income to raise more children and I see Josh hitting that wall hard and soon.

Of course then they can all move back home 'cause Duggars don't really ever seem to move "out". They just move "over".

As far as education goes I don't see any online program being sufficient to replace attending a college or university. To my eyes the Duggar parents are intentionally sabotaging their children by keeping them at home and stifled in order to maintain their own power trip and make sure they're taken care of in their old age. No nursing home for Jim Bob - he'll be nagging 'em until he dies!

Rainbow68 said...

I am a fan still, but I agree with those of you who want the kids to go to a real college. Any "college" with an exclamation point accompanying its name, such as College Plus! would not look good on a resume. The Duggars have raised their kids with strong Christian values and have a strong faith. Let them off of the compound and into the world. There won't be a rash of Duggar pregnancies and stds, but they would have lots of opportunities.

sandi said...

>I do wonder if Mr. and Mrs. Duggar are naive enough to think that their children can become anything, not realizing that they have limited their children's chances of t becoming future President or future astronauts.

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they know,it's just typical spin,imo.Gothard doesn't allow working for anyone else,and esp. not working for the military like an astronaut (NASA) would require,so that one is easily thrown out the window.
On becoming President,I do think it rubbed Jim Bob wrong that the Clintons are from Ark., and that's one reason he was into politics at that particular time.
I do hope they go to meet Bill Clinton,as he was there on the set at the same time they were on the Today show (Ann Curry interviewed him right before moving on to the Duggars),but I doubt it.And even if they did run into him,I doubt they would admit it.Since Jim Bob is into politics and getting his children to vote,that would have been an excellent lesson for them.I think it's a shame the way they have been taught to only accept theior parents' beliefs,voting/politics included.I've always told my family that they need to "do the math' themselves and decide whom to vote for,whatever party it is.Unlike Josh who was standing over Anna and you can bet she was not allowed to vote for anyone Josh didn't approve of.JMO.

Sharla said...

The Duggar "feud" seems to be getting a lot hotter again with this latest announcement. Please remember do not address other commenters or make claims like all of you people or the people here or tell people you should not think or you should not say and that kind of comment. State your opinion as an opinion not fact please. Other blogs and boards may become free for alls and flame wars. This one will not.

Lisa said...

"I do hope they go to meet Bill Clinton,as he was there on the set at the same time they were on the Today show (Ann Curry interviewed him right before moving on to the Duggars),but I doubt it.And even if they did run into him,I doubt they would admit it."
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Actually there is a picture of the Duggar family on the Today Show website with Bill Clinton. So they did meet him when they were both on the show.

sandi said...

He's in the back row.I think they should adopt him.Bill would make a cute Duggar. :)

http://allday.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/08/8703604-when-the-duggars-met-bill

hart&sole said...

Jim Bob Duggar was quite slim when he was Josh's age and I also presume quite active, which no one can say about Josh. No, Josh is not half the man his father is, although he does take an active interest in his children. Has anyone noticed that on Josh and Anna's facebook page, there are only pictures of Michael?

On another note, I don't think that older Gothardite children must get married prior to younger children. Anna is younger than Priscilla, who is presently single.
Speaking of the Kellers, black sheep, Susanna is engaged to be married. That girl is cute, outgoing and full of life. She was never meant for the Gothard lifestyle. Go Susanna!!

Jasmine said...

While I am most certainly very fond of the Duggars, I would give anything to hear Michelle admit that without her oldest girls and all of the help people have given her over the years (laundry, donations, etc.), she would have never been able to do it. There is no way - I don't care who you are - that you can have that many kids and do all the cooking, cleaning, schooling, churching and loving that is needed for kids to grow up to be the productive Christian citizens that they are striving to be. No way at all ... somebody has to be brought in to help. The TLC money surely didn't hurt either.

Jasmine said...

Oh, and let's face it - money changes things. It will change your address, the car you drive, your clothes and even the way you look. That's just a fact. I, for one, see money as a tool and there is nothing wrong with having it. A lot of the changes it brings can certainly be for the better. I don't know if the Duggars will admit it or not, but they have most certainly changed. Maybe not in a bad way, but definitely different. Remember when the girls were sort of scoffing at the Bates prairie dresses in that one episode when they went to some amusement park? Guess they forgot that not too long before that, they were practically dressing the same way - only their dresses were denim. Remember Michelle's horrible makeup and pale skin - granted pregnancy can do a number on a woman, but she was nowhere near as pretty as she is today. That's because now she's got money to buy nicer things, better cosmetics, roomier spaces, and friends and helpers who can't wait to come in and assist her at her every beck and call. Yeah, they have definitely changed ... and TLC money is the reason.

DJ said...

While defending this latest announcement, Michelle has been quoted saying things along the lines of all of her children are grateful to be here, and if they had stopped having children earlier many of the children wouldn't exist. I believe this guilt is a way of almost forcing the children to have the same lifestyle. The average "large" family in America has maybe 6 kids. This would mean that 13 (now 14!) of the Duggar children wouldn't have been born if the Duggars hadn't followed this lifestyle. What a load of guilt for your mother to put on you! If I were one of those children, I would feel like I was given a chance at life so it was my duty to do the same for all of my children. I don't think it's appropriate for a mother to put that type of guilt and burden on her children. Just another way to force the kids to follow the lifestyle..

duggar lover said...

if they can raise the children to be respective and loving human beings, as they seem to be-more power to them...my only ? with all those children; when do they find time to make #20? ha! Ha!

positiveparent said...

Michelle also stated that every life was precious and blessings needed to be welcomed, with some othe statements added. It sounds so nice, but as I listened I realized she was trying to explain getting pregnant in the first place.. but was using statements that would explain staying pregnant. It is almost as if she thinks that using birth control or even abstinence is the same as abortion... as if not getting pregnant is the same as terminating a life. It really bothered me.

Seriously? said...

If "Josh is not half the man his father is", then Joshie is in negative numbers as a sum total.

Anna can keep him. And I doubt there are many women who'd want The Patriarch, JimBob either. Blech.

londonbridges said...

I totally agree with Seriously?said concerning Josh and JimBob. It is my opinion that there wouldn't be too many women lining up to partner with these two if the opportunity arose. Yikes.

Lindy said...

I don't know if the Duggars are into bluegrass music (this would be a departure from their first specials and episodes) but I do know they have no issues with classical music, forcing all of their children to play classical music and hymns on violins, for example. If classical music is against ATI/Gothard rules, I suppose this means they must stop playing classical music on pianos as well as violins and harps, and (yes!) save my ears! The Duggar children play alright, but are not superbly amazing. I am a classically trained pianist and often notice issues with timing and chords when I hear them playing on the show or on snippets on the Internet. On a different note (no pun intended), I'm concerned for Michelle's mental health. She is 45 years old and pregnant. Due to her advanced maternal age, she is at high risk of miscarrying, despite passing the 13 week mark. Who or what would she blame if she miscarries? I have concerns that she may not be able to handle a miscarriage well. What if she delivers a baby with, say down's syndrome, or a baby with worse health issues than Josie? Despite what JimBob and Michelle may believe, just because a baby LOOKS normal, does not mean she is. What if baby number 20 needs more than the dining room table for education? Will they be ok with sending baby number 20 (and Josie, if necessary) to school? What if baby number 20 ends up with physical or emotional abnormalities? Will baby 20 become the center of this circus after he/she is born? So many questions and concerns, and no concrete answers from Duggarville.

Just Me said...

I think Lindy nailed a lot of issues right on the head. What will happen down the road to these late in life babies. I wish nothing but good health to Michelle and the new baby but I would hope that if we check in with the Duggars in 5 years we see the youngest kids thriving and getting any and all help they need. Josie is a small but developing almost 2y/o. However, what will happen at 4/5/10? Most likely she will have some educational issue at some point. Even if the new baby is full term he/she may also have a learning delay as well. Would they send the kids to school so that they can get all the services they need? Would they blame themselves for G*d's unhappiness with them? Or the child themselves? I think as all the kids get older and older we are going to see many more cracks in their logic emerge, much to the detriment of their children.

Andrea said...

Did anyone else see this behind the scenes look:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29054368/vp/45355869/#45207374

Wow - Jessa really does tow the party line, as they say. Jinger seems less into it. There girls don't know what they're missing. It's really sad. Jessa also has the glean of someone very monetarily wealthy. She has beautiful skin and lovely straight teeth. All the girls are lovely, but Jessa is quite stunning.

Betsy said...

I've read where a lot of people find Jessa stunning. I've missed it. I think she looks a lot like Jana, but that Jana is prettier. Jessa has a big mouth and a long chin. Thankfully none of the Duggar girls are bad looking.

Becca said...

I was shocked about #20. The thing that concerns me most is that Michelle & Jim Bob seem to have a nonchalant attitude concerning the risks to Michelle & the baby, and how devastating it would be to the older children if Michelle were to die. It seems as though they think nothing bad could happen. I liken it to teens who know the risk of drinking and driving, but do it anyway because they think they're invincible and things will always work out.

I really hope all goes well for them.
I wonder if number 20 will be a boy.

Sharla said...

Michelle's pregnancy plan.

http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/health-wellness/baby-no-20-focusing-healthy-diet-high-risk-pregnancy-michelle-duggar.html

Lindy said...

Jim Bob and Michelle are not only nonchalant about this pregnancy and its risks, as Becca wrote, but also have this air of invincibility that quite honestly, bothers me to bits! We tend to lose that cloak of invincibility, that nothing will harm us, when we reach our 20s. But it is apparent Jim Bob and MIchelle have not.

I also want to know the name of the doctor who specializes in pre-eclampsia in LIttle Rock, who gave the thumbs up for Michelle to get pregnant at her age and who has had multiple pregnancies. This doctor has a lot of explaining to do, not just to viewers of the show, but also the medical community.

sandi said...

Michelle said she read a book about comsuning high protein to help prevent preemclampsia,but if you recall from the clip of the dr preparing to take Josie via c-section,he said they thought it had something to do with the placenta itself.So,IMO,I would ventrue to say that kight help,but it may not neccesarily prevent it from happening again.

Lindy said...

Thanks Sandy. Who knows if Michelle will face other complications from this pregnancy, such as gestational diabetes and possibly death. I wish she would have had a reality check when Josie was in the NICU. But it seems like she is obsessed with being pregnant. I only hope that Michelle herself has a healthy and safe pregnancy. Pre-eclampsia strikes at a moment's notice without any warning, just like gestational diabetes. Hopefully Michelle will stop traveling and go on bedrest for the rest of the pregnancy.

stephanie said...

Regarding Jessa I think her features are very Angelina Jolie with the big lips and her nose and even her eyes and big smile. She has those large features that LA and NY like. All the girls are beautiful and they look like they would have great figures. The bates girls are beautiful too. Would love to see all of them especially the blond Bates girl that plays the piano get a professional makeover. There is a show idea. Put some one piece (Kate Middleton) type dresses on them with some high heels and straighten their hair. 3 girls are over 18. Miss America is 19 years old for goodness sake. Stop dressing like your 45 year old mother. (edited)

roddma said...

"I don't think it's appropriate for a mother to put that type of guilt and burden on her children. Just another way to force the kids to follow the lifestyle.."

So true.Guilt is typical of ATI. I think if a person is meant to be born they will whether to the Duggars or someone else.

Erica said...

Someone posted that gotherd rule states, no adopting. But when the Duggars went to central america the first time, I clearly remember Jim Bob saying something along the lines of his kids adopting in the future

Elvira said...

You saw the Duggars talking about it, but it's doubtful you'll ever see Michelle and JimBob adopt outside the family. They talk about a lot of things that they never actually do.