Special, Sunday November 27, Duggar World Tour, Duggars Last Stop (3)

The Duggars are continuing their trip of a lifetime with their third and final stop abroad - Israel. While there, the family swims in the Dead Sea, visits a multi-religion outdoor marketplace, rides camels and experiences authentic, local cuisine.


(60 minutes)

94 comments:

Cadence said...

I'm pretty excited for this episode. I hope they really cherish the experience of walking on the ground that Jesus did.

Leslie said...

Ok...From seeing the previews & such, I only have one comment so far about this episode (Other than the obvious about traveling overseas with a premie who would, for all intents & purposes, still be considered special needs,). Maybe it's a Catholic vs. Protestant thing, & maybe somebody here can give me a little bit of insight. But I don't see how Jim Bob has any authority to baptize Joseph, Amy, or anyone else. He may run their "home church," but as far as I know, he's not an ordained minister of any kind, & he doesn't even hold any degrees in theology (Or anything else, for that matter.). So how would any baptism he might perform be valid in any way? Anybody have any ideas?

Andrea said...

Oh dear!! It continues . . . I haven't been watching mostly because I really feel for the children involved and don't want to have a part to play in the TV shows continued existence. When will it end? Does anyone else know if they’re currently filming a new season or are the Duggar’s on break?

ennvee said...

Can't wait for the food shock. Have these people ever seen baba ganoush or hummus? Do they know that garbanzo beans make hummus? Would they even recognize a garbanzo bean at a local salad bar? Heck, would they recognize a salad bar?

I can see a couple pita bread pope hats (not that they would know what the pope wears) on top of the young 'uns in our near future.

Jim Bob rushing into saltwater fully clothed to defend his daughters because he can't trust them to defend themselves (even with Amy present, who can surely shoot down a guy if need be) will be hilarious.

Leslie said...

ennvee said...

"Can't wait for the food shock. Have these people ever seen baba ganoush or hummus? Do they know that garbanzo beans make hummus? Would they even recognize a garbanzo bean at a local salad bar? Heck, would they recognize a salad bar?"

Oh, man! I didn't even think of that! *FACEPALM* I can just imagine them turning their noses up at hummus/baba ganoush & pita bread...Even though that's gotta be some of the yummiest stuff I've ever had!

librarybook said...

RE Leslie's comment -

In many fundamentalist churches or groups, like the one I grew up in, there is no "ordination" and one does not necessarily need some sort of special training or background for such things.

While normally the one baptizing in a typical church setting would be the minister or an elder, in actuality any (male) believer of the congregation or family group or friend could baptize someone, since everyone is considered an equal "brother" or "sister". When I was growing up, people often had fathers or others close to them baptize them.

This was in a conservative church that was not Baptist like the Duggar's roots are, but was very similar. There are often not even records kept or, say, baptismal certificates. Baptism is more "spontaneous" (for lack of a better word) and doesn't have the same required classes or preparation as do Catholic or more organized Protestant denominations.

Hope that helps a bit.

Allison said...

So how would any baptism he might perform be valid in any way? Anybody have any ideas?

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In my experience, baptisms can be performed by anyone, because the baptism is really just a public declaration from the person being baptized of their acceptance of Jesus Christ. The person who is doing the "dunking" so to speak can be anyone, as long as they've also been baptized. I think it's just tradition that it's done by a minister or someone in the church.

In some faiths, you don't even need to be baptized to be "saved." A baptism is just a public declaration of what has already happened internally, salvation by faith in Jesus.

Anyway, I don't want this to get side-tracked, but I just wanted to answer the question about whether or not Jim Bob could officially baptize someone. I'm sure a lot of churches would frown on it, but it certainly isn't breaking any law.

stephanie said...

Yes. JimBob going in the water would have to be embarrasing for the girls.
I feel that is going to be somewhat staged by production.
Producer to strangers on the beach "if you want to be on an American tv show go and talk to those pretty girls in the funny looking swimsuits with the tv crew"
The girls are beautiful but to most men the clothes and tv cameras are red flags saying "stay away". I would guess they get hit on more when cameras aren't around. Even if it is staged at least that aren't dragging along a baby/toddler with them and they get to talk to other adults even if it is fake. Josie getting sick, will it be glossed over or a tv special event, that is the question coming up.

Allie said...

I dont know either about Jim Bob baptizing the girls. Seems kinda wrong to me but I guess I dont know the "rule" on that. It just seems like Jim Bob takes every opportunity to try and be the alpha male when really I've never gotten that vibe from him.

I havent seen the preview for this one yet but I can't wait to see the scene where Jim Bob darts through the water to puff his chest at another man who dares flirt with his girls. Oh dear I hope none of the girls lost a piece of heart over that. (Once again, a desperate attempt to be an alpha male)

Allison said...

I just wanted to correct my previous post. I didn't mean to write "in some faiths," I meant to write "in some denominations" of Christianity specifically.

pumpkin said...

When I was in the Holy Land in 1995, there were plenty of topless women on the beaches. I wonder if they will show any of the Duggar boys' (or parents') reactions to that. Also, the swimming pool in the hotel in Jerusalem had separate hours for men and women.

Also, we know from a previous episode that the Duggars don't eat pork, but we also know they don't keep a kosher kitchen (tater-tot casserole). I will be interested to see how they react to kosher cooking in the hotels. The hotel I stayed at would not serve milk to children because they had eaten meat within a couple of hours.

If they experienced culture shock in the UK, they will go into culture meltdown in Israel.

Cadence said...

Come one, Jim Bob. Are your daughters not even allowed to speak casually to a guy? Earth to Duggar family, not every man in the world is dying to get into your daughter's pants. (Or skirts)

taurus0385 said...

All joking aside i think it would be a great experience to be baptized in Israel.

Anonymous said...

The sister-moms are all grown women and don't need such an overprotective daddy hovering. Those bathing suits are embarrassing enough without adding Jim-Bob to the situation. It might be different if one girl were cornered by a guy who was coming on too strong. In a public place, they should be able to have a casual conversation with a guy who doesn't have the same last name as them.

Jen said...

I am looking forward to this espisode.

It will be interesting to see what is said with the Baptisms shown in the clip.

My friend that just returned from the Holy Land said many in her tour did the Baptisms as part of walking in Jesus's shoes. The Baptisms were remeberence of Jesus's Baptism as well as a remeberence of their own Baptism. As a remeberence an ordained minster was not needed.

Friend said...

To each their own but I don't understand why they put their children through all this. It is not only hestic but risky. On another note I bought the Nov. issue of PEOPLE magazine and there is a article about the Duggars. Look closely at the picture and Jana is NOT in the family picture.

Anonymous said...

The girls' bathing suits are ugly, cumbersone and attention seeking. Yet, so are the boys' bathing suits. Why bother with the expense of packing those huge wetsuits, when a long pair of surf shorts and a swim t-shirt would be just as modest for both sexes and much lighter and easier to travel in? The girls could tie a sarong aroung their waists when on the beach if proving that they do, in fact, have legs is too immodest.
~Markie

hart&sole said...

As for me, I will just be hoping that this family doesn't embarrass themselves any more than they already have in the UK. Why miss out on a change to broaden their horizons by comparing everything they do, see and eat with what is done in Arkansas. If the Duggars are that eager to tell us how things are done in Arkansas, why not an episode featuring a tour of their home state? It would certainly be less expensive for TLC. Since Jim Bob and Michelle need a tutorial on parenthood, I suggest they watch the episodes of 'Quintuplets by Surprise.'

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Just how much did TLC...I mean, the Duggars...pay in baggage fees if they were there for almost a month, needed clothes for 26 people AND toted along those hideous (and space consuming) bathing suits?? I would LOVE to see the total bill (transportation, meals, admissions, special rentals, passport fees,tips) for this fiasco and gigantic waste of money. (Think of what good it would have done if donated to a worthy cause or two or three. *That* would be more of a fitting ministry to me rather than a bunch of ignorant people rambling around 2 continents.)

MO5 said...

It was so funny when JimBob was trying to show off by saying all of his kids names and the camel guide had no interest.Poor Josie on that camel.

MO5 said...

Josh had no shirt on and he was wearing shorts.As annoying as he Is I am so happy that he is making his own decisions.

pumpkin said...

The Garden Tomb was my favorite stop on our Holy Land tour... it's too bad that Michelle, Jim Bob, and Jill had to miss out on that.

katie a. said...

Whoa, those airplane seats that Michelle, Jill, Josie, and the doctor took had to cost a pretty penny - they were business class. They were probably $4,000 each. And baby Josie got her own seat too... yikes. That's a heck of a price tag!

Shoka's Understudy said...

Jim Bob just stuns me on how silly he really is. How embarrassing was he when he:

Stepped in to break up the guy talking to the older girls. I guess it just killed him because the man had no shirt on and was immodest.

Also, I noticed that John David had swam up behind the older girls, so Jim Bob had no reason to act like a baffoon.

Haggling over the price of those shoes for Michelle. How stupid and embarrassing. Even Michelle said, I don't bargain, I just ask for the price, the best price.

When they arrived at the Camel ride, the kids where getting off the bus and Jim Bob started telling the guide all of the kids names, he kept calling out names and it just overwhelmed the guy and he said: I can't remember all those names! And walked on. Good one!

When Josie couldn't go home and Jim Bob and group had already left for the states, the Dr. delayed Josie again leaving, Michelle looks at Josie and says, No we are not critical, bye-bye! in her baby voice. Ugh!

SweetiePie said...

I love Josh's beard. It looks very nice on him.

stephanie said...

I love that the camel tour guide ignored Jimbob when he insisted on "introducing" his blessing. Then the man same as told JimBob to shut up, that he won't remember there names anyway.

Street vendor wouldn't bargain with Jimbob and Michelle seemed embarassed.

Also, when Michelle was home and out of the car Jimbob was trying to hug and kiss for the camera I really think Michelle wasn't having it. I think she kinda pulled away from him or his breath. It is a long flight but he wanted to carry on for the cameras she is pregnant and had to be tired from flying.

Jac&Jil said...

Did I see a small bandage covering a feeding tube on Josie's tummy? JimBob was making sure the blanket was covering her tummy when she was on the x-ray table, buy I think I had a peak at it. A little one that still needs oxygen, and they're having another baby? Unbelievable.

ennvee said...

Well, the food freakout didn't happen, but they were fed what I expected. I betcha Jim Bob gave the family a stern lecture about being respectful of everything in the Holy Land.

I notice Jessa and Jinger are both being paired off with Jill at different times. Jessa had an army of family with her when she was talking to the guy in the water, Jill included, before Jim Bob came storming in to stop any further interactions with a guy without a shirt on in the water (go figure, sheesh).

Most interesting was the treatment of Josie's illness. Poor baby looked so miserable; it was not "just a cold" or staying "a couple extra days" that came out the Duggar PR camp (and Jim Bob himself, IIRC) after their return home.

SIX DAYS!!!! Obviously, the crew stayed where the drama was and could have turned this into a VSE, but I think once the truth leaked out about the severity of her illness and the backlash the Duggars received, they nixed that idea.

Overall, some cool scenery, but other than the Josie drama and Jim Bob making a fool of himself in the Jordan River, a very dull episode.

Mishmash said...

The modest swimwear the girls were wearing was so hideous! That flowered pattern is beyond old-fashioned! I know we have seen it before, but I thought they would have figured out a more stylish approach to swimwear the same way they have with their everyday clothes. I thought it was hysterical when the girls were talking to those guys and joseph? was hovering right near them looking so distressed and worried...priceless!! And I loved that Grandma was wearing capris on the beach! She looked more stylish than the girls...
Jim Bob got on my nerves when he constantly interrupted the tour guide who was with them at the market. Doesn't he ever stop to think and listen before he interrupts with his corny remarks??
I found it annoying that they were so scared to try the food and so surprised that they actually liked it! They seem to have such a negative attitude about food outside what they are used to. I like how Joyanna was having a blast with Amy in Israel and also in Ireland, Scotland and England. These episodes have been the first time she has smiled and laughed in awhile.. It doesn't seem that she is very close with her older sisters. Josh looked like a bum with his goatee and gut. He seemed to like taking over for Jim Bob when they went to the birthplace of Jesus. I didn't like when he suddenly announced that everyone was going to sing Amazing Grace. He sounded so authoritative. Finally, I want to talk about beautiful little Josie. She truly is a miracle and i just love seeing her laugh and talk. I was disturbed to see how Michelle and Jimbob reacted to her getting sick. They seemed to take it in stride and not take it too seriously when it should have been a wake up call that HELLO!!! She is a premie with special needs and should not have been on this trip in the first place! I think Michelle secretly loved all the attention but that is just my opinion...

Cadence said...

Did anyone find it kind of awful when Michelle cried only when she kissed Jim Bob goodbye, but not when she kissed her children goodbye? I guess you can only form emotional attatchment if you actually spend time with them.

Anonymous said...

I hope I never get to the point where my kids refer to me as "Grandma" and forget that I have a name - "Mom." Get with it, JimBob, she's your mother, not your grandma!

Pamela Ward said...

I too was shocked that they actually flew the doctor home with Josie. How much did that cost TLC? It's crazy. I've been wondering if the tape on the sides of Josie's face was for oxygen, I didn't realize till tonight that she still needed it on a regular basis. Is she really ok? I don't know why I watch this show, all it does is make me mad. Furious even, I find myself talking aloud to the tv which is confusing my pets.

Rainbow68 said...

I want to be as respectful as possible. I get annoyed sometimes by JimBob and Michelle, but I do hope for the best for them, particularly with this pregnancy. I have to comment, however, on JimBob's behavior with the male swimmer talking to the girls. NOTHING he did warranted JimBob rushing over to "rescue" them. JimBob could've walked over and introduced himself and the girls would've been sufficiently "protected". To hurry over and introduce himself as "Daddy" was almost an accusation, very rude, and over the top considering the gentleman had only asked the girls if they were from the U.S. People who follow Bill Gothard's rules are OBSESSED with sex in a very unhealtly way and seem to project in on others. The Jewish man was being friendly, not FRIENDLY. It was acutally the girls pretty much giving specifics on where they live: "We're from Arkansas, north-west Arkansas." The other thing that disappointed me was at the Tomb in the Garden visit. I found myself finding the visit very meaningful, but they only showed the inside for a couple of seconds and it was RUINED for me by the Duggars suddenly breaking into "Amazing Grace" - do they know any other songs? Apart from that, I enjoyed the episode, except for Josie's illness of course.

stephanie said...

Does anyone else think they are lying for the cameras regarding the food? They said everything was "amazing".

I like that I am not the only one who noticed JimBob introducing 20 kids. I have seen him do that before and most people politely listen. It is kinda like when he announced to sword swallower that Michelle birthed 19 children, he does that for reaction and it is fun to see people who don't give the attention JimBob is used to.

Also, JimBob going in the water with jeans. Is this the first time we have seen JimBob get in the water recreationally? It is silly and tacky for him to get in the water like that with jeans and checked shirt.

I also agree with poster regarding Josh having everyone sing going into the tomb, it was too much. Josh takes WWJD to a new level, What Would JimBob Do?

The guy in the water was perfectly nice and so where the girls. The brothers and dad hanging around was silly.

John David has gained a lot of weight along with Josh. He doesn't look like a college aged man. John David at Stonehenge with that vertical striped blue and white shirt looked 40 years old. Nothing cuter than a college frat boy in golf shirts and khaki shorts.

Too bad John David will never get to have a game day at college. He is as trapped at the girls. JimBob proudly wears that razorbacks shirt but his kids will never even get to go on the campus or go to game. The cheerleaders alone are enough to give them the excuse of it being evil.

Elvira said...

Josie was off oxygen until she got sick in Israel. Micropreemies almost all have lung disease from being on the vent. It does heal with time, but it's one of the reasons that they are to stay at home away from crowds for the first two years. Some mothers keep them in through their third winter and even then try to avoid places and people with colds and flu. She'll come off the oxygen again when her lungs get stronger again. Basically they set her lung healing back by being so cavalier and hauling Josie "halfway around the world."

Elverna Bradshaw said...

For people who claim this show is their religious ministry, everyone but the older girls and maybe Josh had stinkface once again when being shown what is supposedly Jesus' tomb. You'd think they'd be so happy that they'd be close to passing out, but the same ol' bored look was on the boys' faces, and the even younger kids probably had no idea where they even were.

JimBob also had stinkface when talking to the Muslim woman from California. He couldn't leave her fast enough even though she was proclaiming what a huge fan she was.

These people have been taught (probably by Gothard) to smile with their faces in all situations, but all you need to do is look at their eyes. They don't usually smile with their eyes and it tips off how fake they are.

Dar said...

I think someone should let Jim Bob in on the fact that there are males in this world who actually do have some self control. Males and females do co-exist in this world without constantly focusing on "sex". Those young boys seemed quite nice. The girls are pretty so why not "talk" to them. When you trail around with 19 kids, you are bound to attract some attention. There was absolutely "no need" for Jim Bob to behave like a Mid-Victorian father. In my view, there seems to be an obsession with "sex" around their belief system. Most Human beings are social animals. These "blessings" are not even allowed to interact with people their own age who are not in the "Inner" circle." Supposedly, they are taught "self-control", but daddy or one of the brothers have to be constantly on guard to protect their virtue. Daddy doesn't seem to have any control. He is like a child who wants constant attention, from his wife, his daughters and all those with whom he comes in contact. He seems to think that the whole world would applaud him for achieving something for which most species are capable (procreation).

Kelda said...

The guy in the water was nice to the girls, and the girls ( young women really) handled themselves well. They didn't seem to need daddy and brother rushing in to save them.
Sidenote, how did they cope working in a firehouse without daddy?
Did anyone catch Michelle's rant about how they understand Josie has extra needs? She basically said they make sure she's attended to blah blah, but she always needs to care for herself and new baby. Good Grief!

Don't know how Jill will make it as a nurse. She seems to have a compassionate spirit, but she has shown herself to be a bit squeamish in more than one episode.

As for Michelle not crying when saying by to the kids. I won't be upset with her for that. As someone who works with young kids often times it's much better for mom to check her emotions when saying goodbye so the little one doesn't become even more upset at seeing mommy cry.

Becca said...

I was really bothered by their treatment of Josie. I know the claim to be aware of her needs, but their actions, at least to me, speak otherwise. There is a huge difference between having head knowledge and letting your actions back that up.
IMO she should not have been on the trip period!
I didn't like seeing her being jostled up and down by one of the little boys who had her carrier. I can't believe they put her on the camel, and kept her up their why she was visibly upset.
And her "cold". I can't even go there because I was and still am so upset.
Also, Michelle joking about Josie being able to sleep through anything because of her NICU stay. Yes, your daughter's struggle to stay alive her first few months is so hilarious and all about being convenient to you so you don't have to deal with a cranky sick baby on a trip she shouldn't have been on.
I thought she was off oxygen prior to this incident, but something Michelle said this episode made it sound like she still has it fairly regularly. Not a good sign.
That little girl is so far from being out of the woods. She is still so visibly fragile.

And her older sister Jordyn hearing her speak , I know all children develop differently, but her speech or rather lack of speech. I know we only see clips of her, but she is nearly 3 years old , and her language skills seem to be near that of an 18 month old.
Those young ones need early intervention!. I don't know about Arkansas, but in my state the interventionist will come to your house.

pumpkin said...

I didn't think the singing at the Garden Tomb was odd - when I was in the Holy Land in the 90s, people just stopped and sang hymns a lot - even inviting strangers to join in.

It's a moving and spiritual place - I just hope the Duggars had a little bit of quiet time to absorb the wonder and mystery of where they were.

Lisa said...

I know it is the germaphobe in me, but there were so many moments in the episode I would have had the kids wash their hands or use a Wet Ones wipe , hand sanitizer etc...They were touching so many surfaces, going into dirty rivers...also I am amazed no one else got sick due to all the different food they are not used to, water, eating food made by natives bare hands, flying in planes, sleep deprivation etc..They are also lucky not to deal with food allergies, and that would be very hard to be sure any foods were safe. Maybe they did drink bottled water and were washing hands when not on camera..or they have just built up great immune systems traveling all over. I realize here restaurants sometimes are not as clean as we hope and some germs are good for your immune systems, but with that many people,(mainly children )they are lucky they all stayed well, except for poor Little Josie. She should not have been exposed to all that.

UGH!!!!!!!!! said...

Once again, the swimming attire attracts attention – as does a bunch of women rubbing mud all over one another (we were laughing pretty hard at that one). I'm pretty sure that "guy" was attracted to the CAMERAS far more than the girls. And again, no one, including the parents, appears to have prepared around the “dining room table” for their visit.

Josie… poor Josie… a vulnerable preemie under a 2-yr isolation order exposed to aircraft recycled air, new climates, crowds, new foods, dirt-ridden animals, overused/underwashed costume fabrics on tours… Anything “new” is a problem for a preemie, and she was NOT spared. I wish I’d heard the Duggars expressing awareness that not only can most people not afford the trip, they could not afford extending it, altering it, or a private medical escort to return home. I also wish they’d expressed appreciation for English speaking professionals and health services that were probably nearly free of charge.

And would someone please, PLEASE teach these people a song OTHER than Amazing Grace?!!!!!!!!!

katie a. said...

I was a little surprised that they had never tried or apparently heard of falafel before. I understand that the Springdale, Arkansas area is not the most ethnically diverse, but they have traveled to a number of bigger cities that have plenty of delis that serve falafel sandwiches.

It's available in our local supermarket both in the prepared foods section as well as in a DIY box, and I don't live in a part of the country with a large number of Jewish or Muslim people.

I was proud of them for trying a number of different dishes without turning up their noses and making gagging sounds.

The whole fish thing at the Sea of Gallilee was pretty gross - I remember being grossed out by that when I was there as a teenager too - so I won't mock them for that.

When I was at the Dead Sea, the water will burn the slightest nick or cut in the skin worse than lemon juice. It becomes significantly painful to stay in the water more than 20 minutes. I think it might've been preferable to wear a wetsuit to protect the skin.

ennvee said...

It was so funny when JimBob was trying to show off by saying all of his kids names and the camel guide had no interest.

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I bust a gut when the guy just walked off to see to the other groups. Earth to Jim Bob: Not everyone cares about you. And I think we can all agree that in Jim Bob's world, it's all about him and his brood mare.

Deborah said...

While I agree with Christian values, I find JimBob very embarrassing to watch. Do they think everyone in the world knows about the Duggars? Hardly. Let’s hope Grandma Duggar has some sense and encourages her grandchildren to get out and explore beyond the confines of their home and church, she seems to be more liberal than JimBob and Michelle. Poor little Josie, she and all the other kids under the age of 5 should have stayed at home, that way all of them would have had a nicer vacation. I really start to wonder about the Duggars. And now baby number 20, Michelle will be lucky she doesn’t have another sickly preemie or die in childbirth.

tulip said...

Definitely agree with the comments on the wholesome wear, and whoever suggested why not just wear lightweight shorts/capris and a not too lightweight tee (so as not to look like a wet t-shirt contest!) - that seems it would be much better than those crazy suits.

What's wrong with a little attention from one of the guys? The girls would probably never see him again, and why do they need rescuing? They can definitely stand up for themselves, not to mention everybody else is already around anyway.

Poor Josie...it's still so hard for me to believe she went on the trip! It would have been odd to send EVERYONE on a huge overseas trip and not include her, but why the big fancy trip in the first place?...All about the ratings.

MO5...I agree with you about Josh-with the "no shirt", beard, TV in the house, well, it looks like he's finally venturing out a little bit!

SmokeyKitty said...

One word: OY

I haven't watched the Duggars in a while but was fascinated with the Israel trip.
I've been there twice and would love to go again (just too expensive now). JimBob trying to impress with his big brood in a country where big families are not unusual, like the ultra orthodox families.
I'm disappointed that they seemed to have zero contact with other families of other faiths. I bet that the kids would never be allowed to hang with a bunch of Jewish or Muslim kids.
They just did touristy things, and even then nothing all that interesting. It just seemed like they did the most sanitized activities possible. Nothing that involved the history of Israel or anything else. No visit to Acre or near the Wailing Wall. Nothing that might reflect non-Christian history. It must be nice to remain so blissfully ignorant... Such as not knowing the difference between being lighter and less dense than the water in the dead sea.

Sharla said...

Did your comment not go through? Did you send it as anonymous? Hm, there might be a connection there.......

Seriously? said...

A baptism attended by possum-sized river rats??

THIS is watchable tv??

How do we spell 'rabies', 'Hanta Virus', 'The Plague'??

Too bad they already used (and misspelled) the name, "Jordan", as this would've been a shoe-in for J#20 - great product placement and advertising tie-in for those anything-for-Jesus-and-a-buck Duggars.

ennvee said...

Basically they set her lung healing back by being so cavalier and hauling Josie "halfway around the world."

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Dr. Moishe (a hottie with a brain...on that show, Hallelujah!) actually told Michelle that it could takes "days to MONTHS" to resolve Josie's illness. Since she still was wearing the oxygen tape on her face when Michelle made the staged "pregnancy" announcement that was made when they taped the Q&A show after returning from the trip, it seems as if Josie didn't come off oxygen immediately after returning home.

When I gave it some thought, I remember seeing pics of the Duggars at a book signing not that long ago (early November, maybe? I think I posted the link in the general thread) and Josie was still wearing the tapes then.

To be honest, I think TLC paid for Dr. Moishe to fly back (he said a pediatric nurse could have flown with them) to avoid any possible negligence lawsuits, ie. they forced the Duggars to go on this trip at this time because the plane tix were paid for, the activities were planned, etc. and Josie is part of the current Dog and Pony Show and it's very possible the Duggars took her despite doctor's orders. I say this because of all the warnings of keeping the baby away from germs for her first two years and that you can "never trust a preemie." Heck, Michelle used that one herself after Josie was hospitalized after the stress of going "home" too soon.

Michelle can say all she wants, but the moment J20 is born, HER concerns for Josie's health will be solely Jana's or Jill's, or both; after all, those girls are Josie's tag-team "real" mother.

ennvee said...

Amy posted that they did go to the Wailing Wall. They also went to Dublin (there were sightings from members of another snark board), but we weren't shown that either.

When the 48 hour ratings window is over, I'll watch again to see if I can catch the name of the group that took the Duggars around (or the guide's name). It appears to be something geared toward conservative Christians, given all the biblical references he made as well as dressing in biblical garb (seen that before, more than once). I agree that it was sanitized and slanted to fit their narrow world-view.

Apparently, Jim Bob doesn't realize that there are a lot of people in that region who don't get along. It would have been 10 kinds of awesome if he could have somehow run into some female Israeli soldiers, just to have one of those ladies inform him that service for their country is compulsory for EVERYBODY. Unlike the Gothardites who have a slew of excuses to avoid voluntary service for the boys (not even a consideration for girls, of course).

It would have exposed yet more of the Duggar hypocrisy on camera, but what they're showing seems to be enough to turn off a lot of mainstream Christians of late.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Is anyone besides me wondering how much 4 business class, short-notice purchase plane tickets cost? Must be nice.

ennvee said...

Re the plane tickets: someone in the know on another board said they probably ran about $4000/ea.

Paid by TLC, of course. Anything to avoid a potential lawsuit.

Dar said...

Again, an opportunity missed for a little History lesson about the country in which they were traveling. When the young lady was talking to Jim Bob. She was discussing the places she was visiting and the historical significance of the area. Jim Bob looked soooo uncomfortable. He seemed to want to get away from her. "Hello", - she was a fan of yours!!" Poor girl was delighted to see them, but Jim Bob probably thought she was making a pass at him! The only interest he seems to have in any place is how the area can showcase his family. It was, for me, almost embarrassing when Josh assumed the mantle of patriarch. Are these girls ever given any credit?

Is it just me or does anyone else think those young children should have something on their heads to protect against the sun? To see the three youngest girls struggling around is rather sad. It was significant when Michelle was discussing Josie and somehow had to bring into that conversation the fact that she did have to look after herself because of her pregnancy. I sincerely don't understand the woman's thought process. These are not dolls you play with and then throw away. Poor little Josie. She looked so unhappy and so ill. I am not a fan of Jim Bob, but I do see him carrying the little ones around on some occasions. I really do feel, however, that Michelle's tears are for the cameras. Even the most ardent fan of this family must agree that there is something radically wrong with this picture.

Dar said...

Did anyone else notice Michelle showing the picture of the family to the vendor in the Market?

Do these people ever stop promoting themselves? Just asking!!!

hart&sole said...

Isn't it nice that this 'Around the World' trip is finally over? It's tiring watching Jim Bob only opening his mouth to exchange feet, followed by Joshua the Pompous, Amy's attention seeking behavior, the children acting like any food not served in their Arkansas enclave obviously is 'foreign' and not to be trusted. One day those kids will watch these episodes and positively cringe, I'm sure.

Of course the Duggars have to promote themselves non-stop. This show is their bread and butter. It's hard not to wonder what would have become of them if TLC hadn't come along. So, they, too wonder, and promote, promote, promote.

Isn't Mary Duggar a doll? Why in the world does her son call her
'Grand-maw?'

londonbridges said...

Sadly, the concern and wellbeing of Josie, the miracle blessing, will be solely on the shoulders of Jana and Jill and possibly one or two more sister-mommies after the birth of #20. IMHO, Josie should not have been taken on this extended trip at this stage of her young life. There are so many levels of concern and they have all been mentioned here already.

Mother of the Year Michelle doesn't seem to be attached to her blessings after the age of six months or so. IMO, the ability to conceive doesn't make a mother.

Hopefully all of the older Duggars have learned something on this trip. They have been so fortunate to travel to places most of us will never visit. I hope they are truly grateful for these opportunities. JMO.

taurus0385 said...

Wasnt sure where to post this but does anyone know when the re air of this episode is and when the new season starts?

tashapork said...

Michelle may have had tears over the fear of being left with Jill and a sick child in a foreign country. I would probably have a few more than she did.She's been pretty sheltered, that last trip to El Salvador for two days with Jimbob was her only trip out of the country that she's ever made. She sees Jim Bob as her security net and comfort zone and he was leaving.
While I agree that the trip must have been highly pricy, I am sure that they including higher ups at TLC knew and had contingencies for the possibility that one of the kids, especially Josie may be in a situation needing medical care. After all, Josie had the seizures while her parents were in El Salvadore and Jason was injured in Atlanta. Maybe they had travel insurance. I got the impression that Michelle had had discussions with someone about medical care at least in Isreal and probably the other countries. My lack of resources for an emergency like that would lead me to leave small children at home, but I also agree with the Duggar's decision to include her. All of these activities and stimulation whether in Europe or Atlanta will benefit her development.

Poor_Josie said...

Still watching the episode as I type this...

There was just the clip of Michelle with Jill and Josie in the pharmacy and the pharmacist asks how old Josie is (in order to give the correct medication/dosage) and the Michelle says she is almost 2!!

Now, this was filmed in September... Josie doesn't turn 2 until December!!! How can Michelle be so cavalier about things like this, especially when adjusted age Josie wouldn't have been 2 until March!

UGH!!!!! said...

tashapork said... “but I also agree with the Duggar's decision to include her. All of these activities and stimulation whether in Europe or Atlanta will benefit her development.”

I have to ask that you elaborate on what “development” this benefits a preemie. At this age, simple activity such as going to the market down the street is as effective as visiting Big Ben – there’s no need for grandeur. The difference there lies in the immense stress, routine interruption, and exposure to a new, different, and possibly worse set of germs/bacteria for an immuno-suppressed child. What can a child “learn” when said child is SICK?

Leigh Ann said...

Michelle may have had tears over the fear of being left with Jill and a sick child in a foreign country. I would probably have a few more than she did.She's been pretty sheltered, that last trip to El Salvador for two days with Jimbob was her only trip out of the country that she's ever made. She sees Jim Bob as her security net and comfort zone and he was leaving.
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I grew up in two foreign countries and have traveled extensively and I would have been upset and nervous,too. I really liked that doctor from what I saw. He seemed so caring and knowledgeable and confident. Josie was definitely in good hands. I don't think she should be doing all the traveling she has -- not even New York or Atlanta, much less four other countries. But, they had 26 people (21 immediate Duggars, Anna, Mackenzie, Michael, Amy and Grandma). Anything could have happened medical wise. They could have all come down with a nasty virus or someone could have broken a bone or fallen off a stage again. For that number of people, range of ages and length of time gone, they did pretty well to have only person get sick and that on the last day. I, myself, have been sick in nearly every country I've ever been to. So surely TLC had some plan or insurance or something in case of emergency.

Just Me said...

I can think of a special I'd love to see. Let's send the older kids out on their own world tour. Let's have Jana/John David on down to Jinger go out on European tour without endless little ones to coordinate or worry about and without parents to prattle on about their 19 blessings. Maybe they'd get a chance to do some true cultural learning and exchanging.

Maria said...

I was really upset when Josie got sick this time. I don't understand what Michelle and Jim are thinking, taking her all the way around the world.

I worry for this next baby she is going to have, and I hope this baby is healthy and can withstand the poor judgments that Michelle and Jim make as parents.

Israel said...

If you look carefully in the clip where Josie is getting an Xray done in Isreal, it looks as though you can see a feeding tube opening in her belly. Jim Bob appears to be trying to cover it with a blanket. Why so secretive?

Just Me said...

Now that I finally watched the whole episode and can fully comment on the Josie aspect I'm ready to vent my opinion. I'm a pediatrician and have known many Israeli trained pediatricians. This doctor is definately a testament to the fine doctors I have worked with. I am appalled that Josie traveled. I have seen parents make risky travel decisions (Parents taking newborns on 15 hour flights to the Middle East for example.) I have also seen parents who ask anxiously if their healthy older baby would be able to travel within the U.S. I think that while there were many people on this trip and it would not be unusual for one of them to require medical attention, Josie was clearly the one to watch out for. I think the rule of thumb here is that if you need to pack an oxygen monitor for use or possible use while you travel you need to weigh the benefits/risks very carefully. This is not adult or older child with a history or medical issues that you can justify the trip as causing enough pleasure and joy to outweight the risks. For example, if Grandma Duggar had emphysema and needed to bring an oxygen monitor or even a portable tank for use while she traveled I wouldn't have an issue with that. This was a life dream for her. Josie is just happy being with her family. Something that could be accomplised at home or on a trip to Branson.

Ally said...

I can think of a special I'd love to see. Let's send the older kids out on their own world tour. Let's have Jana/John David on down to Jinger go out on European tour without endless little ones to coordinate or worry about and without parents to prattle on about their 19 blessings. Maybe they'd get a chance to do some true cultural learning and exchanging.
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I'd like to send Joseph, Josiah, and Joy Anna with them. Maybe some time away from home (ie her parents and responsibilities) would bring a smile back on her face. She looks like such a sad-sack lately, unless she's with Amy (not that I can totally blame her, she's stuck in the middle of boys and at an awkard age, and she's becoming more of a sister-mom).

So over this said...

Air planes are basically germ vessels. The recycled air in the cabin virtually assures a respiratory cold for a small baby with lung issues. Good call, duggars. I hope the money was worth it.

They think that they're doing the heathen world a huge favor by having a "clean" family show on air. But when I had to distract my child during the cervical softening discussion, I became angry that this show is marketed as "family" material. Sex, even marital sex, is not something I want to saturate my child with. Apparently the duggars feel differently. If you think this whole family is not completely obsessed with sexuality, you are crazy. I think it is literally on their minds constantly: modesty, purity, kissing/no kissing, toilet births, and jim bob constantly addressing the fact that he and Michelle have PLENTY of alone time, lest you forget. And to top it off, in their books, they hit on the following topics: Michelle's nipples, circumcision, their sexual patterns based off Old Testament law, sexual intimacy between couples, shunning of oral sex and "touch g ones self", and the fact that they have a good, strong lock on their bedroom door. Seriously, it is over the top ridiculous. I know more about their sex life than anyone besides myself. Gross.

Miggy said...

Not that I really want to invade what little privacy she has but I wonder whether Joy-Anna is just struggling with the hormone changes typical in a young teen girl. I remember migraines, excessive tiredness and bad cramps at certain times of month. I can't imagine her being allowed to spend the day resting - all must be present for the Duggar circus.

Just Me said...

I rewinded to watch the Xray scenes. When her shirt is off you can see no Gtube or port on Josie's belly. Jim Bob has to hold the radiation shield on her lower abdomen to protect her ovaries and that has a tag sticking up that looks suspicious but is just part of the sheild. Then when they show her Xray you can see that there is no Gtube as well (it would show up as a white circle just below her lungs.) Also, airplane air is not really recycled. Only about 10% is recycled, the rest is brought in through filters from the atmosphere, which is why it is so dry. The illness hazard comes from spending so much time in confined quarters with so many other people that could cough or sneeze before the air is cycled out. As well, I wonder how often the handrests/tray tables are cleaned. Not to mention the bathrooms and the airports themselves. Then once the Duggars arrived at each country they spent most of the time going from one tourist attraction to the next. Endless people every day touching the same items and standing/walking in the same area. Look at the market in Jerusalem.

tulip said...

So over this...I definitely agree with how they DO come across as being preoccupied with the sexual thing. I mean here and there are little comments having to do with it, and it's just disturbing. Back when they were all on The Today Show announcing baby #20, Jim Bob "joked" (ha ha...NOT!) "I don't know how it happened!", and then Josh, who was sitting right next to them burst out with a huge belly laugh like that was the funnienst joke he ever heard...Ugh! And another creepy one that comes to mind was during the episode of Josh & Anna's wedding when Jim Bob & Josh go in a classroom of the church so Jim Bob can present Josh with a book on "marital relations", and Jim Bob tells him not to worry, that it's like Legos! Ew! did we have to hear that? I guess Josh thought it was funny since he laughed out loud.

Leigh Ann said...

The illness hazard comes from spending so much time in confined quarters with so many other people that could cough or sneeze before the air is cycled out. As well, I wonder how often the handrests/tray tables are cleaned. Not to mention the bathrooms and the airports themselves. Then once the Duggars arrived at each country they spent most of the time going from one tourist attraction to the next. Endless people every day touching the same items and standing/walking in the same area. Look at the market in Jerusalem.
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Then add in jet lag, fatigue and unfamiliar water. That's a lot for a person's immune system to handle. Water doesn't have to be dirty, it just has to be different. The only time I've ever been sick from water was after a week of bottled water. I started boiling tap water and it cleared right up. It was just a lot for anyone to handle. I think the big surprise isn't that Josie got sick but that no one else apparently did.

Susan said...

I also did not see a feeding tube on Josie's xray. But she is still getting her primary calories from Pediasure or Elecare or some high calorie supplemental formula in a bottle (I think Elecare can go through a G tube too).

I don't think that little girl is out of the woods in terms of her health and development. Of course, her parents drag her all over the world, on dirty buses, trains and planes, when the best thing for her would be to stay close to home and develop her immune system.

All of those young children would have gotten just as much out of a trip to the zoo as a trip to the Dead Sea.

And what a waste of money. I bet that trip cost upwards of $100K, maybe much more for the camera crew, etc. And then for Josie, Michelle, Jill and the doctor to fly back business class on short notice---those tickets have to have cost about $4000 a piece.

Nice to buy used, and save the difference, huh Duggars?

Elverna Bradshaw said...

About the cost of the trip: I think $100k is very, very conservative. That comes out to around $4k per person (for the family) which is very low for almost a month of travel. Included in that is 4 flights, 3+ weeks of hotels and meals, transportation rentals (whole large vehicles, not just taxis), and massive luggage and freight fees. (Amusements and entrance fees were probably comped.)


I wonder how they can pretend to have paid for this trip on their own. If they own up to TLC footing the bill, then they need to also own up to TLC providing a good chunk of their yearly income. (You don't afford $400k tour buses and $100k pleasure trips to Europe and Asia on rental property income.)

Sharla said...

I think the numbers must have been below 1M. I still haven't been able to find them. Most of my sources only get the top 50 to 100 shows.

ennvee said...

Thanks for checking the ratings, Sharla. I was actually coming her to see if you'd posted anything.

I had a feeling they were bad when they didn't bother with a Tuesday evening repeat, since those barely pulled half a million the previous two weeks, during SWEEPS. That's pretty much death to a show, even on cable.

Seriously? said...

re: ratings <1M: I'm so glad. Maybe this whole farce of a family will fade back into Oblivion, Arkansas, where they can spend their days self righteously praying for the redemption of all the sinner liberal souls.

Any day or week that goes by w/o the Duggars sharing WAY WAY tmi, especially about their obsession with all things sexual, is a good day or week!

Do I hear an "Amen"? Or maybe a fervently shouted "Nike!"??

Andrea said...

All I can say is - HURRAY. If what is being reported here is correct, the end will be near. Thank goodness!! If any of the adult Duggar girls are reading this, take heart, better days to come. Go to College, take out a loan if you most, but GO and get an education!!

Anonymous said...

So I was thinking about JimBob running up to his daughters talking to that young man. I think the real issue is that he does not trust his daughters, which is a sad commentary on their beliefs and how they live. I think all of the Duggar daughters would probably make correnct choices if given the chance. It's sad that none of these kids will be allowed to spread their wings.

Leigh Ann said...

Someone mentioned wishing the Duggars would sing something besides Amazing Grace. Could that have something to do with the rights to broadcast the song? I have no idea, it just popped into my head. I do remember them once singing the chorus to I've Been Redeemed, though. I remember wondering if they know any of the "fun" verses -- "You can't get to heaven on roller skates, you'll roll right past those pearly gates". Probably not.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I wonder if the Duggars went through styrofoam and plastic withdrawal, having probably eaten off china/ pottery plates and metal forks during the length of their world tour.

(I also bet no or very few plates were broken, proving that it *is* possible to use these at home.)

ennvee said...

Most of the songs they actually sing are modern hymns. I recall Kelly Bates saying that the Blood song was written by a pastor whose church they frequent a few times a year in North Carolina.

I would think for the purposes of evangelicism, that the song writers would allow people to spread the word in churches, but require permission to formally record. I doubt the Blood song author is getting royalties for all the times the Duggars have sung that song on the show or in churches that were filmed and uploaded on YouTube.

Cadence said...

The lower ratings could be because this episode was not officially part of the series, but just a special. I hope they don't end the show, I like watching it!

duggar fan said...

I am so sad that I missed the last half of this special!

As for the Baptism, many protestant congregations feel that Baptism is the outward profession of an inward conviction. In the Bible all disciples baptised others, and so it is appropriate for that to also happen today. Since we are all "one in Christ"--part of the body while He is the head, we all have the authority to baptise.

Markie, you are wise..."a long pair of surf shorts and a swim t-shirt would be just as modest for both sexes..?" And I might add, more "modest" and less freakish. In fact the duggar girls are drawing attention AWAY from their "countenence" with that silly 19th century swim wear.

Josh should never again go without a beard! He looks much older and wiser. I like their little family. They seem to make their own decisions on what is appropriate to wear and how to wear their hair. I am happy to see this, as I think God doesn't give us all the same ministry. Jim Bob and Michele have one ministry and have been told to do things in a certain way; but that doesn't mean everyone should do things that way, on non-fundamentals of Christianity.

Not everyone was charged to go up on a mountain like Moses. Not all were restricted from eating grape products, like a Nazarite. Point is, God has a plan for each person, and it is not the same plan for the children as the parents. Jim Bob didn't follow his Parent's plan...

I just wish they would set their adult daughters free to live their own lives. Seems to me that Jim Bob and Michele need to be servants, instead of being served BY their daughters. God gave Jim Bob and Michele the babies; not their older daughters. Their older daughters can never have a chance to have their own homes and serve their own families, when they are serving their Parent's family.

It is kind of sad that the 4 older girls first found out about parenthood, and were mothers, before having their own family. The wonder and awe one feels at being a new mother wasn't experienced with their husbands...it was experienced with their parents. Overcoming exhaustion and learning to cope and run a household should have been a shared experience between a husband and wife, learning and growing together. Just like Jim Bob and Micheld did. Those are important times in a family as the couple explores and experiments together. They are the foundations for the future.

A very precious thing has been taken from these young women.

Alberta Rose said...

It is kind of sad that the 4 older girls first found out about parenthood, and were mothers, before having their own family. The wonder and awe one feels at being a new mother wasn't experienced with their husbands...it was experienced with their parents. Overcoming exhaustion and learning to cope and run a household should have been a shared experience between a husband and wife, learning and growing together.

If you read your history, there was a time when that knowledge was passed down from mother to daughter, whether orally or through example and NOT something husband and wife were expect to learn together. It was expected the woman was to know that by the time she got married. It's only been since the 70's, when our mothers were regarded as being "stuck in the 1950's" and "womanly wisdom" was considered "restrictive" that the change occured.

j said...

"A very precious thing has been taken from these young women."

Wow. Good point. It's one thing to be a part of a "village" and learn basic life lessons by helping parents with daily tasks, but the Duggars take it too far in my opinion.

hart&sole said...

This is a direct quote from Bill Gothard's 7 Basic Needs of a wife book:

This book is filled with insights and practical steps of action that will allow you as a husband to understand and meet the needs of your wife. You will begin to understand her areas of limitations, how you can provide the stability and direction she needs, how you can cherish and delight in her, and ways you can invest in her life.

"Good Lord!!!" That's MY comment

Alberta Rose said...

This is a direct quote from Bill Gothard's 7 Basic Needs of a wife book:

This book is filled with insights and practical steps of action that will allow you as a husband to understand and meet the needs of your wife. You will begin to understand her areas of limitations, how you can provide the stability and direction she needs, how you can cherish and delight in her, and ways you can invest in her life.

"Good Lord!!!" That's MY comment

I agree. The Lord is good to inspire books like that. When women feel cherished, delighted, when they are not made to feel like Superwoman but a human being, when her needs are met, not dismissed, and she feels understood, she will develop a sense of peace, confidence and feel blessed in her role. It's why my husband and I took Dynamic Marriage, we wanted some of what Michelle and Jim Bob have. Joe Beam is Fundamentalist Light, Bill Gothard is Fundamentalist Supersized LOL!

Elvira said...

Bill Gothard is bloated sack of horse manure. I need no man to "fulfill" me or fill in what's missing. Nothing is missing and my life is usually better without a man in it trying to put me down. Women fought long and hard to have the rights he wants to strip away.

hart&sole said...

Amen, Elvira. Obviously I need my own space more than either Jim Bob or Michelle. It would drive me crazy having someone around kissing me constantly and calling me 'mama.' They seem happy as clams, so as we used to say, 'Different Strokes for Different Folks! How on earth did Bill Gothard decide what a wife needs? He's apparently never had one. And...has he only talked with women who have 'limitations?'

Jennifer said...

"If you read your history, there was a time when that knowledge was passed down from mother to daughter, whether orally or through example and NOT something husband and wife were expect to learn together. It was expected the woman was to know that by the time she got married. It's only been since the 70's, when our mothers were regarded as being "stuck in the 1950's" and "womanly wisdom" was considered "restrictive" that the change occured."

That made sense a hundred years ago, when providing for a family required 6-7 days of sunup-to-sundown physical labor from the father, and the lack of modern appliances made housekeeping a full-time job in itself. It doesn't make sense in the modern era, particularly not for the Duggars. (How many industrial washers do they have, again? And have we ever seen Jim Bob doing anything by way of actual work?) Why would a man who doesn't want to be bothered with childcare even want children in the first place?

"I agree. The Lord is good to inspire books like that. When women feel cherished, delighted, when they are not made to feel like Superwoman but a human being, when her needs are met, not dismissed, and she feels understood, she will develop a sense of peace, confidence and feel blessed in her role. It's why my husband and I took Dynamic Marriage, we wanted some of what Michelle and Jim Bob have."

No one has any problem with a woman choosing to live that way if that's what makes her happy. What people have a problem with is the assumption that ALL women want to live this way, and that if they don't, there's something wrong with them. For someone like Michelle Duggar, her 'needs will be met' and she'll feel satisfied in her role' as a stay-at-home mother. The same lifestyle might have the opposite effect on a different person. The implication that anyone who follows the Gothard lifescript is guaranteed to be happy is just silly. Real life doesn't work that way.

mom in texas said...

I am just getting a chance to watch this episode so forgive me if I repeat things already said. I know it has been speculated in the past but it obvious that someone affiliated with the show reads these posts because it amazing how we see Michelle holding Josie and tending to other children in this episode. We also got a lot of "we loveee the food in Israel" comments unlike the previous legs of the trip. I had to laugh out loud at the camel guide totally ignoring Jim Bob's introduction of the family. It was funny to see Jim Bob dismissed and interrupted like he tends to do so many people.

The trip to the Dead Sea seemed nice. I laighed again as I saw Jim Bob nearly drown himself running through the water to intervene on Jessa and Jill's innocent conversation with the young men. Even the brothers (James and Joseph) are trained to intercept the normal and perfectly safe time the girls were having. God forbid the men would have stood out of the water and showed their shoulders to Jill and Jessa's innocent eyes.

Jim Bob was once again an embarrassment to his family as he attempted to haggle the store owner over the price of the Croc sandals. He barely could understand the currency rate yet he was trying to save a dollar.

The singing of "Amazing Grace" into the tomb seemed out of place but it was Josh's turn to play patriarch.

Anybody, child or adult, could get sick at any time and anywhere,however a child as delicate as Josie should have never been traveling all around the world. I think the Duggars underestimated how fragile she still is. I was also bothered by how much she was allowed to go barefoot after she took ill. Michelle could have at least put socks on her feet.

Overall I think it would amazing to go to Israel. It is the Holy Land and seemed to be an enjoyable experience.

Rainbow68 said...

My concern is that the Duggars - unwittingly - are saying, "Ok, Josie, you got lot of attention for a lot longer than anyone else. But there's a new little buddy now. Jackson, take Josie!" Ultimately, having more children is their decision. They would say it was God's, but by this time you know when you have unprotected sex during the time you are ovulating, you could get pregnant. Being pregnant at 45 after having difficult pregnancies in the past doesn't show great faith. It shows foolishness. Very harsh, but true. I follow God, not Gothard.

londonbridges said...

I totally agree with Rainbow68. JimBob told Mr. Bates that he and Michelle were trying to conceive again, and therefore unprotected sex during ovulation is deliberate and planned.

Any one of the Duggars could have become ill during this extended trip. However, Josie is still fragile and never should have been on this trip. JMHO.