We Have Reached the Point in the Life of the Show Where

we get some ridiculous comments and trolls show up just to try to tell us off.  With the Gosselins I would occasionally post one just so the readers could comment on it.  I'll be putting some of the comments here.  I really do not mind a balanced discussion but when people simply want to call names or be holier than thou, I cut them no slack.

So what if the Duggars want to have 20 children? What is all of that to any of you who act "disgusted"? Someone pointed out that there are 7 billion people on the earth today. One more Duggar will not make any more difference than any other family having another baby. If anything, I am disgusted at all of you who have nothing but ill to say about this family. Sounds like jealousy to me. I wonder if this post will make it into the comments?
By Anonymous on Duggars on Today Show November 8 at 4:25 PM

What I really don't understand is all the negative talk about a family that most likely does a lot more good than all the people that talk bad about them. Put together.
By ME!!! on Special, Sunday, November 13, Duggar World Tour, 8... at 3:21 PM

There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with these people."Group think" at it's worst.I mean BESIDES their willingness to pop out an annual Baby For Bucks.So they want as many kids as they can have - why is that wrong?Not at ALL 'encouraging'. One more (model J20)undereducated person will be walking the planet, thanks to these two anything-for-a-buck-and-spotlight. You say the Duggar kids are "undereducated". Do you know them personally? Have you ever talked to any of them, asked them questions? Are you inferring that you are of superior intellect and moral fiber that you can pass judgement on them? The Duggar's are private citizens doing what they are allowed to do in a mostly free country. I don't see any armed guards keeping the older kids under lock and key, no reports of abuse, no reports of threats or mistreatment or anything else. Their cousin Amy is as wild as they come, and she still hangs out with them. Yet the concensus of all of the other posters is that their behavior and lifestyle is wrong. I think most of you are wrong for questioning the Duggar's like this. Thye are certainly not the Gosselin's.
By Anonymous on Duggars on Today Show November 8 at 4:37 PM

39 comments:

sandi said...

I would like to point out that the Duggars themselves have a tendency to draw a line in the sand between themselves and others who choose not to live their lifestyle.Their comments prove that.

ennvee said...

I think one thing the rabid Duggar apologists have in common is the inability to distinguish between its and it's, et al.

MAJOR pet peeve, but then again I was an English major at an evil, liberal university.

I've had people judge me, a PRIVATE citizen. for choosing NOT to have kids. A far cry from a couple (now two) who CHOSE to put their lives on TV. Part of the collateral damage of receiving those fat paychecks is being aware that some people are going to be critical; we are not all blind sheep. This board is here for the expressed purpose of discussing the Duggars in well-reasoned debate from both sides. People forget that "criticism" is not always a negative thing; it merely implies that someone is being reasonable.

For those reasons, we have every right to be critical of the Duggars' decisions. They are cushioned by weekly paychecks a lot of people would be happy to make in a year in this economy.

positiveparent said...

Unfornently, we really DO NOT know whether or not the Duggar children are treated well.... every day there are reports in the news of people who are found to be treated terribly while everyone around them thought things were ok. We will not know if the Duggar children are treated ok for years, if at all.

We DO KNOW that the Duggar lifestyle cannot sustain the 20 children into adulthood and thru the next 40-60 years in the work force. Look how the world has changed in the last 40-60 years, and how people in their 50s and 60s are struggling to hold jobs due to technological advances, physical limitations, etc. The rest of us are raising our children with that in mind, pushing for better and further education, etc. The Duggars are so far behind that their children will never catch up. Yes, some of them may have a stable financial future, but what about the rest? They cannot live off of their fame forever, Hollywood is littered with former child stars stuggling to survive.
I don't care about overpopulation.... but I do care about the 20 children here. I do care about the fact that number 20 will have parents in their mid 60s before he/she becomes an adult. I do care about the fact that Michelle almost died last time and what would Jim Bob do if that happened again, and the almost part became final? He can't raise those kids by himself, nor can Grandma. It will be left to the older siblings and their spouses (currently only Anna) to do so. That shouldn't be their responsibility. And, yes, parents die for all sorts of reasons, but we don't have to be foolish do we?

Tammy C said...

Cousin Amy is very smart.She knows how to get exposure through her "famous"cousins!

Elverna Bradshaw said...

I love that the person chastising people for calling the Duggars undereducated forms plurals of nouns by adding an apostrophe + s. Of course I'm not surprised.

NorthVirginia said...

It is true that we really do not PERSONALLY know whether or not the Duggar children are treated well, but those who interact with them on a regular basis surely do. It is right to question the welfare of those around us, particularly children who need on-going love and support.

But there are so many children, some exposed in the media but others not, who suffer from their own drug abuse, drug abuse in their families, and other forms of physical and emotional abuse - in each and every one of our comunities. Expressing care and concern, in positive and loving ways, for children we know truly need it is a positive way to enhance both their lives as well as our own, and communities in general.

How does spending time and energy speculating about children who are not known to us to suffer the abuse we know that other children do suffer, produce any positive effect for them, us, or the world in which we all live? The time and energy spent "snarking" could so benefit a child who truly needs our love and attention now.

NorthVirginia said...

It was noted above that
"We do know that the Duggar lifestyle cannot sustain 20 children into adulthood and [beyond]." How do "we" know this?

It is my belief, in fact, from what we know of the Duggars, that they are more likely than most other families to provide for their members during their lifetimes. How many other families are completely debt free, and have a substantial real estate portfolio?

Statiscally, only one in three students gratuate from high school. Approximately 79 percent of high school students do intend to enter college; but in actuality, only 61 percent do. And four year colleges only graduate 53 percent of enrolled students within six years, according to a USA Today study completed in 2009.

In summary, a signicant portion of the American population does not have, and will not obtain either a high school diploma or a GED. Only 22 percent of Americans have a college degree.

The Duggar children have, or are on track to, obtain a GED at the age of 16. This already ensures that they are in the 70 percent of Americans who achieve this level of education. Several of the older chidren are pursuing college credits; should they graduate, they will fall into the 22 percent of Americans with higher education. However, since only 43 percent of Americans persue any college education, college credit already obtained by the eligible Duggar children ensures that they are academically ahead of more than half of their peers.

Also, for those who do not understand our higher educational system, college credit can be earned in a number of different ways. Many colleges are now allowing credit to older candidates for their previous life and/or work experience. Credit can also be earned by proving that one already has the knowledge taught in college level classes, by taking AP, CLEP and other similar exams. Credit can of course be earned by taking classes on-line or in a school setting.

My son is currently in high school and is on track to "test out" of most classes required in the first year of college. I commend him for this, and am very grateful too that it reduces the full tuition that his father and I must pay since I am disabled.

I believe that anyone who graduates from high school should be commended; and those who pursue college credit, regardless of its form, should be commended and encouraged.

Since so many students in our own communities do not graduate from either high school or college, our time and attention given to help these students to achieve would benefit our society no-end.

positiveparent said...

"The Duggar children have, or are on track to, obtain a GED at the age of 16. This already ensures that they are in the 70 percent of Americans who achieve this level of education. Several of the older chidren are pursuing college credits; should they graduate, they will fall into the 22 percent of Americans with higher education. However, since only 43 percent of Americans persue any college education, college credit already obtained by the eligible Duggar children ensures that they are academically ahead of more than half of their peers. "


That may be true today, but I am trying to get the point across that it will likely NOT be true during the entirety of the current Duggar children's time in the work force. And that they need to be prepared for that. Not being thrilled at having GEDs.

In the 70's (when I graduated high school), only the smart or rich went to college. Those people are now the ones in their age group that are holding onto jobs the best. My classmates that went straight into the work force can no longer find the factory jobs that they ones held, and aren't really all that physically capable of manual labor or service work such as waitressing for much longer.
You see, they prepared for what the world was like when they graduated high school, not for what the world is like now.

The Duggars need to be preparing their children for the world of tomorrow, with good college educations (not college minus). The Duggars need to be letting their children associate with the people they will have to work alongside, not sheltering 21+ year olds.

Anonymous said...

re: North Virginia

The problem I have with the Duggar lifestyle is that even if all of the children graduate with high school diplomas and possibly college online credits - where can they go?

It seems from Josh's experience that JimBob is determined to keep as much a hand in each child's life up to and *past* marriage - Josh isn't independent in any way, shape or form. Owning one or two used car lots isn't going to provide for his family once they start putting the kids out with the same scheduling as his father.

The children may have the *potential* to be scientists, doctors or whatever but when the women are consigned to do household chores almost nonstop and the men allowed to run rampant without developing any real skills it makes one wonder where they'll go in the future.

Sure, the "girls" will be married off within the extended family circle- but that might not be enough for them to sustain the standard of living they've become accustomed to thanks to TLC money. And, really, have any of the men expressed any urges to get any professional training in anything? All I see is kids running around and taking care of other kids.

I just don't see how the Duggar lifestyle is sustainable after this generation, no matter how many good wishes they throw around.

just my thoughts...

Seriously? said...

Of course the Duggars are within their rights to live their lifestyle.

Just as the public is free to have and express their opinion about the Duggars as portrayed on their 'reality' show.

Whenever a person or family sells their privacy for $ as the Duggars, Kardashians, Gosselins, et al have chosen to do, this decision has also 'bought' for them public scrutiny and critique.

It's puzzling why some take it personally when viewers criticize a set of scripted tv characters like the Duggars.

Re: the Duggars being under educated, it's my opinion this is simple fact. Their home school curriculum coupled with a having only one teacher, and that one teacher lacks professional and educational credentials to qualify (IMO) as an educator.

Further, as far as judging the Duggars negatively as far as education and articulation abilities, a one on one, personal conversation with any of them is unnecessary when assessing overall Duggar critical thinking and language skills. Each show documents their basic skill levels in these areas. We do not have to meet the Duggars personally to make our own call on this topic. It's America: we get to derive at our own conclusions based on the evidence provided AND we are free to express these conclusions.

If critique and criticism is not what the Duggars expected when they signed on for a 'reality' show, that alone serves as an example of Duggar critical thinking abilities.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Lindy that it seems unlikely any of the adult daughters will be permitted to marry any time soon.

Obviously, it's impossible to have any wish other than that Michelle will have a safe and uneventful pregnancy and that both mother and child will be healthy and suffer no untoward consequences, and just as impossible to opine that such hopes will be realized.

I suppose the most tactful thing I can say without hypocrisy or falsehood is that the family is in great need of prayers from any and all who are accustomed to offer same.

roddma said...

First cousin Amy is not wild. I guess maybe she is by Duggar standards. Second, we are concerned about Michelle's health and Josie being pushed on the back burner.

"How many other families are completely debt free, and have a substantial real estate portfolio?"
Is this really a mark of good character? As a commenter said earlier, many of us are victims of recession. It is one thing to be 'debt-free' living within your means but the Duggars have lived well-below their means. People read too much into debt free. It means they don't owe a financial institution that charges interest. Take for example Gil and Kelly borrowed from Lawson. Medical bills, rent, and personal loans are debt. Anything you owe public or private is debt in my opinion.

Jennifer said...

I have to admit that I'm torn as to how I feel about the Duggar's "no birth control" belief. Especially after what happened with Josie's birth, I'm not sure that it is wise to have another child. And I do wonder about the amount of one-on-one parent-child interaction. But it is not my business and certainly not my place to judge. And I must say that I admire their family for being open about their faith and beliefs and not "changing" their beliefs or turning away from them just because they are criticized. Also, they are raising their children the best way they know how and I think they are doing a pretty good job when it comes to teaching morals and how to treat others. The family all seem to be at peace and happy and the kids are very well-behaved (I think if this was not the case when the cameras are off, it would be obvious in public as well, as you can't just flip a switch and tell your 19 children to "behave yourselves because we are in public or on TV" and have them do it).

A statment was made that the family is only having more children for the money, but I have to say that I don't think that is quite true. The Duggars already had a large family when they first appeared on TV and I believe they would have continued to have children whether or not they were on TV (as this goes along with their beliefs). Just a thought and I could be wrong.

The Roaming Commoner said...

If the Duggars were just your everyday citizens that lived their lives privately then it may be a different story. However, this family has willfully put themselves into the spotlight and knowingly continued to shoot of their mouths on national television. I'd say that we have every right to voice (or in this case type) our opinions on them even if it does involve criticism.

Sharla said...

That is my dividing line exactly. I would never have a blog about my neighbors. However, a blog about people who choose and are paid to be on TV is an entirely different matter.

tulip said...

I too am not of the opinion that The Duggars are conceiving just for money...HOWEVER...the birth control issue, which I commented under 'Kelly Bates is Pregnant'-keeping track of cycles is natural! Michelle keeps track, but it seems like it's to purposely try and conceive, rather than say, let's NOT be together during what they would think would be the fertile time, and if a pregnancy occurs DESPITE that plan, then yes, take it as God's blessing!

It seems like someone's always saying how well-behaved the kids are, BUT, that's still being used from the first season...it's time for an update folks: all those well-behaved kids (which to The Duggar's credit, they actually were) are much more grown up and now they're on to the next group-and their behavior? Not So Much. -the episodes from the latest couple seasons are the proof. Compare them with when the first specials & seasons aired and you're looking at a whole different pictue.

To me, the issue seems that The Duggars HAVE changed since thay first came on the scene, and it's called FAME. Yes, it can (and does) happen to anybody. SO, that's why the critics firing back at our comments just need to see and accept the truth about where The Duggars are at, and hope they make a u-turn before they end up in Kate G.'s neighborhood.

Dar said...

Michelle and Jim Bob have chosen to let the television audience into their lives. They have the cameras film their "so called daily lives" and broadcast it over the airways.

I feel that they are both extremely arrogant and irresponsible. I remember when Jim Bob was crying over Michelle and Josie. I also remember how very hard the hospital staff worked to make sure Michelle was going to be O.K. There was also time, medical knowledge, equipment and love and patience from that staff to make sure Josie survived.

It seems Jim Bob and Michelle have now taken all that for granted. Jim Bob had a very cavalier attitude in response to the Bates pregnancy. "We are trying", he said. It is almost as if it were a game. I also wonder what the older girls were doing when Michelle was napping or working out, making her body healthy to produce yet another buddy for one of them.

I'll bet they didn't have time for Naps or any self-indulgent activity. It has been said that they are happy and well adjusted. If they weren't, no one outside the family would know, at this stage of the game. How could they be happy about another burden on their plates? It is galling that they get up with the children, do all the cooking, cleaning and loads of laundry, while the Queen Bee tries to bring another child into this world for them to look after. Michelle should become a surrogate. She loves being pregnant and then she can just pass the child over to its nurturing mother.
At her age, she is in jeopardy of having a Downs Syndrome child. That is a reality. That would be extra responsibility for one of her daughters. Michelle could also lose her life this time. It is just incomprehensible why she would take that chance. There is no nobility in purposely putting yourself in harm's way. That is just ignorance and lack of common sense.

I really wish some psychiatrist would do an extensive study on women who crave attention so much that they will become pregnant again and again and again. That study should be presented to Michelle and her ilk.

The Roaming Commoner said...

Yeah, the Duggar's have gone a completely knew direction IMO, from where they were in the days of "14 Children and Pregnant Again". I've even seen changes in Anna from her first appearances in 2008. To me, she seems to have completely changed in attitude.

Joy said...

I do have to agree with the fertility tracking business. If they were leaving it up to God then why would she need to track it? I track to try to prevent but we have left room for up to God as proof of having two children so far that we thought we were in the clear for not concieving. It does seems like she wants to know when she's fertile for
conceiving. But this is a free country any way you slice it and if they want to be in a baby race that's their business.

Despite not agreeing with their education and such their children are taken care of which is more than can be said for too many children alive today. There are many children alive that are very much so neglected. 100 yrs ago children were born to families to be workers on farms. Was that wrong? The more children you had the more free labor. Children weren't pampered and put on pedestals until recently.

Back to education. A college degree isn't everything. There is actually a shortage of blue collar workers that is going to become even more prominent in the next handful of years. A plumber is going to be a high paying job because of the scarcity of workers. There are still many areas in the states where just now there are first generation college grads and many others who will never go to college for one reason r another. There is nothing wrong with not being college educated. We need people to be skilled in more than just books. My husband and I are both college grads but I'm not going to force my kids to go to college if they want to pursue a trade instead.

Patrice said...

Back to education. A college degree isn't everything. There is actually a shortage of blue collar workers that is going to become even more prominent in the next handful of years. A plumber is going to be a high paying job because of the scarcity of workers. There are still many areas in the states where just now there are first generation college grads and many others who will never go to college for one reason r another. There is nothing wrong with not being college educated. We need people to be skilled..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++I don't think anyone disagrees with you on this point. We will always need blue collar workers and a college education is not for everyone. I think the thing people get upset about is that the Duggars don't have a choice, especially the females. If Jana and Jessa wanted to leave the house right now, move to a bigger city and become secretaries, office workers, or go to Detroit and work on an auto manufacturing line, would they really have the freedom to do this? What if Joseph and Josiah want to go to a 9 month tech school program and become nurse's aides? There is no way this would happen. they are under total control of their parents and the ATI "leaders", despite Jim Bob's big happy grinning statement of "Who knows? One of our kids could cure cancer...or become President!" Who does he think he is fooling?

jonandkatewho? said...

It goes without saying that Michelle and Jim Bob are free to have as many children as they can. It is also my right to have an opinion on the situation, and I think Michelle is mentally ill.

I was so disgusted by the video of the one boy's accident and how she behaved. She's addicted to being pregnant. She won't be raising the baby any more than she has her last 15 or so. Nope, she'll just turn the baby over to another of her kids to raise when the time comes.

They disgust me.

Leigh Ann said...

Pursuing a trade is fine. Four-year college isn't for everyone and goodness knows your plumbing/hairdressing/dental assisting/etc. jobs aren't going to be outsourced overseas somewhere so it can be much more job security. But to learn a trade you do have to get out into the world, attend a trade school or technical college, get an apprenticeship or something. The Duggars don't seem to be too keen on letting their kids out. Josh and John David own their own businesses, but not everyone can do that, most people work for someone else first. And they both picked things that don't need extra schooling or training.

Elverna Bradshaw said...

Re: Anna having changed since we first saw her on the show....yes, she has. I now see her as her husband's equal in smugness.

I guess being considered Quiverfull royalty (being their version of Duchess Kate), having crowds of people wanting your autograph and sending you presents when you have children, and traveling free all over the US and now the world must go straight to your head. Especially when you grew up sharing a trailer with 9 or 10 other people.

The Roaming Commoner said...

Exactly. She is the Gothard equal to Kate Middleton. She does not have to work at a normal job, does not have to make many independent decisions, and is fawned over regularly. She is no longer (to me) the sweet, young, and religious girl that she appeared as in the beginning. I used to kind of pity her but now all sympathy is gone completely.

ennvee said...

Josh and John David own their own businesses, but not everyone can do that, most people work for someone else first. And they both picked things that don't need extra schooling or training.

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Don't forget that Josh and John David's businesses belonged to Jim Bob (who also owns the property on which their businesses sit). So it's not like they were these special snowflakes who could miraculously open businesses for themselves at age 19. Same goes for Josh and his house. Maybe he's renting to own, but if that's the case, isn't he actually in debt to his grandmother?

Just read this great article over at Recovering Grace. It sheds a lot of life on the "siblings as best friend" trend we see with the Gothard families:

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2011/11/forced-family-relationships/#more

Close relationships with siblings are a wonderful thing, but man, I sure pictured Jinger rolling her eyes as she was forced to ride a kiddie train with her younger siblings a couple of years ago. The article really shed light on how these families really choose to isolate; just another barrier to escape once they're grown.

Leigh Ann said...

I didn't realize the towing business had been Jim Bob's. I knew the carlot was a hand-me-down. There's nothing wrong with that, lots of families have businesses that are handed down through the generations. But you can't do that with 20 kids. Someone is going to want to do something and someone is going to have to do something else and that something else is going to require leaving home. At least during the day for local classes or training, if not off to college somewhere further.

stephanie said...

I have never heard the tlc production interviewer ask the adult blessings any questions such as "would you like to attend a regular or christian college? Would you like to move into a dorm with other students? Would you like to dress up and go to prom or homecoming?would you like to have been a cheerleader with cute pictures of yourself [like your mom has and is proud of them] would you like a class ring, yearbook, attend school sporting event, a senior portrait, visit colleges to attend.

I really hope one of the girls comes out of her trance in 10 yrs and writes her own book. Michelle and jimbob don't live for their kids or God, they live for themselves.
Signed Fame and Forture aka Michelle and Jimbob

hart&sole said...

No, the Duggars are not the Gosselins. For starters Kate only had 2 pregnancies, not 21. The Gosselin children are also being educated and are living in the real world. Kate did not 'blanket train' infants, either, nor has a 'prayer closet' appeared in the Gosselin home.

Another thing that tires me...that the Duggar children are 'well behaved.' Their home is a free for all, as evidenced by the TV episodes, since no, I have not visited them. As for ignorance, it seems to me that anyone who does not know that the earth is billions of years old, does not believe in evolution (have they really looked closely at a chimpanzee?), fails to understand that the earth's resources are being consumed at an alarming rate, and that climate change is likely to have dire consequences, whether or not the situation is man made is right up there with an ostrich. Yes, I do know they don't literally bury their heads in the sand.

The state of the world leads me to believe that God does not have time to be opening and closing the wombs of the faithful. Hopefully He is busy working on wars, famines and the victims of natural disasters.

Again, I am only offering my own opinion. There, I feel better whether or not this is published!

Anne said...

When asked on The Today Show about how can they afford another child, Michelle giggled, "we buy used and save the difference." I thought, "well, that, and you sell your kids private lives to TLC." Also, when Jim Bob made the comment that they didn't want to stop on an uneven number and then laughed that goofy laugh, I don't think he was kidding. What a stupid reason for jeopardizing 2 lives.

ennvee said...

Here's a video of the Duggars (most of them anyway) at a book signing in Branson on Saturday.

Two things:

1. I'm curious about the "conference" the woman shooting the video mentions. Sounds like another one of their dog and pony show appearances (minus Josh...I think Jana drew the straw to stay behind with the little ones...why not Grandma or Amy is anyone's guess).

2. Jill is still THINKING about going to nursing school? Girl, it's been two years now since we've heard that old saw. As they say: go to the bathroom or get off the pot. I'm afraid "thinking" is code for "ain't gonna happen, but this will stall the rabid fans for a while."

Joy and Josiah look miserable; John David and Joseph barely have a pulse. I'm worried about Jinger; her recent talking heads with main kool-aid swallower Jill and now relegated to sitting next to the parents? She's probably the next one off to indoctrination camp with Priscilla Keller; the fake clown smile is coming, but not quite automatic as it is with her 3 older sisters (and sometimes even genuine with Jill).

Noting the absence of the Duggar Jr. family. I wonder if they were around for the conference and booksigning Friday night, but went home? Or if TLC wasn't taping, didn't appear at all?

Strange that they weren't there but Grandma and Amy were (and THEY should have been watching the little ones, not Jana...makes me think TLC didn't tape this).

Speaking of Amy...she can't go away soon enough.

londonbridges said...

Somehow I have great difficulty believing the Duggars buy used and save the difference too often, if at all. Michelle, some of us are much brighter than to believe that. jmho.

ennvee said...

So-called "experts" speculating on why the Duggars are so contraversial, when it's not even their real field, is part of the reason people fall for what the Duggars are selling. Someone with an advanced post-graduate degree shouldn't boil the problem down to one of "they're just jealous." Not very analytical, especially when the argument goes on to say how well-behaved (and clean...CLEAN?) the kids are. We don't call the kids "howler monkeys" for nothing; those little kids are no better (and with the disregard for safetey, probably worse) than your garden variety kid from a "regular" home.

The video is an excerpt that appears to be taped as a response to the Duggar hysteria last week, but did not appear on the Today show. Ann Curry hosts:

http://moms.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/13/8789967-what-are-we-really-talking-about-when-we-talk-about-the-duggars

If the professionals can't discuss the real issues because there's a gag order or something, then please, don't talk at all because "they're just jealous" adds nothing to a debate on why people are increasingly appalled at the Duggars' selfish, narcissistic behavior in the light of what happened to Josie.

hart&sole said...

Jealous of Michelle and Jim Bob? Seriously? Pregnant with my TWENTIETH baby? Six little boys who appear to having been raised by wolves? Goofy Jim Bob who would embarrass most women to death? Four little girls that Michelle pays no attention to? And the list could go on and on. No, jealousy isn't what I feel for the Duggar family. The feeling I get when I watch the show is more like 'shock and awe.'

JLR1952 said...

Is there any documentation about the Gothard families and how they fare in providing jobs at home for all their children? Aren't the Duggars and other families like them the first generation really to be raised in what some would call a cult?
These families are encouraged to homeschool being taught by mother, and father is also encouraged to find self employment that keeps him at home as well. To earn a living you must interact to some degree with the outside world. Will there be enough jobs that meet their criterion? It takes alot of energy to raise children and Jim Bob and Michelle still have at least 20 years before their kids will all be grown. I can see trouble ahead for quite a few of these blessings!

stephanie said...

Remember when Michelle came outside and told Jimbob that she was pregnant with Josie?

The producer said "well Jimbob, you really know how to keep a series going"

Says it all doesn't it? I try to listen to the TLC people when you can hear them, sometimes they flat out say stuff on camera. Remember when Josh told Anna she was pregnant? (Which was stupid anyway) he called the camera crew etc. Producer said something to the effective that Josh was very TV "savvy" I think is the word he used. I wish the TV crew could cut lose and really tell EVERYTHING that would get viewers

sandi said...

From what I've noticed,no one is jealous of the Duggars for no. 20 being on the way,it's concern for Michelle and the baby's health,and rightly so,imo.They are taking quite a risk.

LovetheDuggars said...

With reference to all of the genuine concerns about Michelle and new baby's health - while it is very thoughtful of everyone to be concerned, to have birthed 18 children without major complications, death, deformity is a miracle. Josie is also a miracle and sadly premature births occur with millions of pregnancies in women of all ages. Age and number of previous births may not play a role in this outcome whatsoever.

Elvira said...

Her age is assuredly a factor. Being 45 all by itself with none of her other risk factors would classify this a high risk pregnancy and birth. The normal range of fertility only goes through age 44. Michelle is having to travel about three hours to see an OB all because this pregnancy is so high risk. They'll probably insist she deliver in Little Rock also for the fetus' sake.

sandi said...

>With reference to all of the genuine concerns about Michelle and new baby's health - while it is very thoughtful of everyone to be concerned, to have birthed 18 children without major complications, death, deformity is a miracle. Josie is also a miracle and sadly premature births occur with millions of pregnancies in women of all ages. Age and number of previous births may not play a role in this outcome whatsoever.

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It's high risk for more than her age.She's had 4 c-sections,and will have another one because of the way they had to cut Josie out;she's had preeclampsia 2x,once so severely that they had to deliver at 25 weeks; Jim Bob said there was a minor birth defect in Josiah that was corrected (he didn't say what it was); Josie's internal organs are not quite correct,I think it was said some of them were 'floating' and she may need surgery later to correct that.So there is way more going on than just Michelle's age and early delivery.