Tuesday, May 13, 2014, 9:00 PM, The Big Question

With a few days left in their trip, Jill & Jim Bob make the most of their time. While Jill volunteers at a birth center, Derick takes Jim Bob for a traditional Nepali shave. As the trip comes to an end, Derick has a surprise for Jill. What will it be?

60 minutes

2.236 M viewers and a .7 rating.

75 comments:

Slightly Freaked Out... said...

Well since we know this trip is shortly after Thanksgiving and Jill and Derick started courting in November.......I'm going to take a wild guess and say he asked her to court. Honestly, how ridiculous are these promos?!

got2bdrc said...

I'm not sure I get the whole story arc here. Out of the clear blue, Jill announces to Jim Bob and Michelle that she's fallen for someone she's never met. Isn't it necessary for the Duggar girls to get permission to engage in any contact with a possible suitor? So the parents must have known that Jill was communicating with Derick.

I hope they'll be very happy and that Derick, as head of the new family, will allow/encourage Jill to continue her education and have her own career. They seem like a happy couple, I just hope the fundie teachings the Duggars have imposed on their daughters won't cause pain and hardships as they start doing "grown up" things.

hello said...

Jimboob had been in contact with Derick for over a year. Derick asked him to be his prayer partner. Then Jimboob thought he would make a good match for Jill. In the one episode Jill called her mom and dad down to the living room so she could skype with Derick. Even at the age of 22 Jill couldn't be trusted to talk to a man without mommy and daddy being right there. According to an interview Jill did she skyped the firat time with Derick for three hours and interrogated him with five pages of questions. And then she just had to go to Nepal to meet him in person since he wouldnt be coming home for a couple of months. Jimboob and Michelle wouldnt be happy if she communicated by phone and skype for those two months and then meet him in person and then possibly find out that he isn't good husband material.

Allison said...

I'm not sure I get the whole story arc here. Out of the clear blue, Jill announces to Jim Bob and Michelle that she's fallen for someone she's never met. Isn't it necessary for the Duggar girls to get permission to engage in any contact with a possible suitor? So the parents must have known that Jill was communicating with Derick.

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The relationship between Jill and Derick was introduced and explained in the 2nd episode of the season. This isn't out of the blue.

Leigh Ann said...

Derick contacted Jim Bob first and asked him to be his prayer partner. They did that for a year or so and JB thought that Derick and Jill had a lot in common and introduced them and then Derick and Jill started texting and talking on Skype. JB wouldn't have introduced them if he didn't think Derick was husband material. Jill looked nervous about bringing it up but JB knew this was coming. I would think if you've never even had a friendship with a person of the opposite sex you would fall in love or something like it with the first one you got to talk to. Out of nine girls, at least one is going to end up in a bad marriage because they jumped at the first chance they had. Although by the time the youngest girls are in their 20s, JB may not be able to be so controlling or really care much at that point.

sandi said...

Out of 19 kids,and considering the ridiculous rules of courtship,I think it's innevitable that at least one of the Duggar offspring will end up divorced.Possibly more.
But I can see that coming now...no one in that family will ever take on any of the blame if that happens.It will always,always be the other person's fault,and never a Duggar at fault.
We saw how quick Kelly Bates was to have it known that Sarah ended her Zach's courtship.And cousin Amy goes thru guys like water and never takes any of the responsibility for any of the relationships ending.
I don't see the Duggars being any different.They have a rep. they will want to maintain,at all costs.JMO.

kms said...

I fear worse. That one of the children should get a divorce and won't because it's not desired and the pressure in the community and because of their name won't let one of them leave a bad marriage.

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it have been more Christian to donate the money it cost either Jim Bob or TLC, to the people of Nepal, considering Jill could meet Derick in person in about 2 months? Jill is the one that told Jinger that she should be content with where she was, instead of wanting to move near a big city. She actually said sometimes the Lord just wants you to be content where you are and be patient. But I often think that with these mission trips the Duggars do.. just send the money to these people.

Leigh Ann said...

Even without courtship, out of 19 kids someone is going to end up divorced. Really, though, I can't see Jim Bob keeping up this level of scrutiny and involvement through 16 more kids. I don't think he and Michelle are as attached to the second half of the family as the first (they raised the first half)so they might not I don't want to say care as much, they'll still care, but they might be more relaxed.

Anonymous said...

I think it was wise too make the trip. These girls are so naive that before she got even more invested it was best to see him in person. I have seen a few videos of them and they seem well suited.

Anonymous said...

I agree, Sandi. It is simple statistics. One of the Duggars will get divorced at some point.
My other concern with the courtship nonsense is the chance one of these girls will end up in a domestic violence situation because she would never know how he behaves when they are alone until after marriage,

Anonymous said...

Since the Duggar household is so wrapped up in the excitement of courting, possible engagements, trips to Nepal etc. This is the perfect time for Jordan to pack her little duds( I bet she can do it by herself)& head for the hills. She won't be missed. Jana is occupied with Josie on a fulltime basis & has probably acquired many, more "juristictions," now that Jessa & Jill are otherwise occupied. She's the one I would like to see escape. She'll do just fine as she's pretty self sufficient and able to care for herself. We know she's been making her own breakfast since she was 2. What a world could open up for a child like her with the right education, & yes I'll even use the word "encouragement!"

Anonymous said...

Re: One of the Duggars will get divorced sooner or later...

Wouldn't that be something if it were Jim Bob and Michelle!

sandi said...

I would love to see Michelle start thinking for herself,divorced or not.A good "NO Jim Bob,I don't like that candidate,I am going to vote for someone else",or something along those lines,would really put him in his place.I don't think he could take it though.His ego being big, I don't think he could take Michelle ever disagreeing with him on any subject,esp.not politics.

Anonymous said...

the one that would leave is josiah. someone comment that he and jim bod butted heads. and on the birthday esp he did not look to happy. I mean home school graduation.

MandySue said...

Michelle would let go of her happy countance and turn into Kate Gosselin. "NO I do not want to buy used shoes anymore! I want some brand new Christian Louboutins!"

The kids would see their mom's rebellion and turn on Jim Bob too. Jordyn will go live with Amy in Nashville. Johanna will announce that she is moving in with her girlfriend. Jeremiah will become a drag queen.

Jim Bon will wonder around the TTH and sit at the SODRT and wonder where he went wrong.

Anonymous said...

I so worry about the level of maturity in the the Duggar girls in the promo of the show Jana is siting on the swing with guy there friend she looks scared i hope Im wrong and just the fliming we all give piece of our heart away and at the Bates wedding Michelle said there little helpers there 20 something youn ladies not little helpers

Samantha said...

TLC really needs to give up the false suspense. Do they really think viewers are going to fall for Jill saying "I'm not sure what I will say if he asks" and the "what is Derick going to do" schtick? Even if Jill meant that when she said it, do they honestly think we don't all know that since she said that, she has rapidly moved through a quick courtship and engagement?

Rudy Tecat said...

Ok, cut the pretense, Jill. JB and Derick didn't leave you all alone in the Nepalese art gallery and the dress shop... you had at least one camera man, plus a sound guy and the producer (probably)... there was no way JB was just going to leave you all alone in a art gallery or a dress shop in Nepal. And, was this artist really a friend of Derick's?

Anonymous said...

I had to rewind to see if JB really said "Hola" in Nepal. He has been a world traveler, but remains afraid and with blinders up. How rare it is that travel doesn't change people?

J.T. said...

Out of all the couples seen so far on this show, Jill and Derrick actually look like they are truly happy with each other. All the others looked like they had to force everything.

hello said...

I think Derrick is more mainstream than Jimboob thinks he is. I bet he has dated a few other girls, held hands with and maybe kissed one or two. He dared to put his hand on Jill's back that Jimboob had to push off and shove Jill to the side so he could get between them. Derrick's probably talkedt to Jimboob about their courtship rules when they were prayer partners. He seems like a nice guy, but I dont think he would put up with the questions that were asked to Ben. Jill seems like a nice girl, but acts very immature for her age. She is a 22 year old woman, not a 15 year old girl with her first boyfriend. I wonder if Michelle will give her the "talk" on her wedding day. Will she give her the same Lego advice like Jimboob gave to Josh? Or will she just tell her to let Derrick take charge and do whatever he tells her to do? I guess we will find out when they show the wedding.

Cassia said...

When Derrick took JB aside to ask for permission to court Jill, dimwitted JB seemed totally floored -- like he wasn't expecting the question at all. If they've made all this effort to go across the world, there's a pretty good chance this will turn into a serious relationship.

Special Ed Lady said...

Jill is 22, sadly this is her first boy friend. No wonder why she acts like 15 with her first "love".

Leigh Ann said...

I wonder if it's more a stunted-maturity kind of thing. The first boyfriend I had was my husband, I met him at 30 (although like Jill, we had an online relationship at first) and I certainly didn't act like that. But while I never had a boyfriend I did go out with the occasional guy to a dance or movie or something. Just as friends, but still interaction. And had a number for guys in my circle of friends and worked with men. Also, I'd been to college, been on my own, had a career. You know, been allowed to grow and mature at the proper pace. If Jill (and the rest of the older girls) had had guy friends and gone to college or gotten a job or just been allowed to develop normal every day friendships with boys, she'd be more mature and not acting like a 15-year-old with her first crush. You can tell Derrick has had a lot of interaction with girls (whether girlfriends or just girl friends). I know he was a little nervous to meet Jill specifically, but being around a girl in that situation certainly wasn't a new experience for him. He was very confident. And so mannerly, brought her flowers, wheeled her suitcase, opened her door. He's had practice. This is great. When Jill and Derick have kids they may well have a different upbringing. She'll recognize him as the head of the household and he may be much more relaxed in the whole boy/girl area as their children get older. And hopefully they'll join a normal church. I'd love to see Jill finish her midwifery training and the two of them go on some type of long-term mission somewhere.

Winston said...

My wife and I share many of the Duggars beliefs, but they represent a more conservative (some would say,"legalistic") application.

We have been disturbed by the courtship rules, but the Duggars are entitled to do what they do. Our main concern would be that these kids are not given the liberty to be full adults. Kids mostly stop listening to you in their mid to late teens. You teach them everything you can up to then, and then they start thinking for themselves. Frankly, we do not want to be micromanaging the lives our 20 somethings. Too old and too tired.

Courtship offers protection, but it's pretty extreme if it comes at the cost of delayed maturity. I have a 21 year old daughter. I have protected her by teaching her to respect herself, act morally, use her head, and set boundaries. If she wants to do otherwise, she can, but she will have to live with the consequences.

She has casually dated a bunch of guys - without me having any input. She picked one that she really likes and brought him home. We checked him out and found no fatal character flaws or major red flags. She will decided whether she wants to marry this guy. I think she will and I will be happy about it.

So, you can protect your daughter within the dating concept as well, and ours had the wisdom to seek our opinion. But if the Duggars want to go the courtship route, then more power to them, but they will be viewed as extreme and there is a downside to mircomanaging the affairs of your adult children.

Jim Bob said he felt like a "5th wheel" in Nepal. It was because HE WAS one!

Allison said...

I met my first boyfriend at 23 and also married him (a couple years later... I'm a Christian, but not like this!). I certainly didn't act like this. I probably acted more like Jessa. I certainly loved him but I wasn't quite so, you know, hyper about it. So... yeah. One does not necessarily have anything to do with the other.

Judy said...

It was very sad, I thought, that Jill had a little decorated sign up counting the days until she was seeing Derick. This is something I would have done at 13 or 14.

Mary said...

has Jill ever been in a Wallmart, Bed and Bath, other stores.. Funny how they don't want 2nd hand stuff now that she is getting married.

Nancy Nurse said...

When it was mentioned that perhaps Jill might continue her midwifery training, I was thinking maybe she could now actually start nurses training. If she really wanted to do that in the 1st place, it could still be an option & she could work as a ob/gyn nurse. That's exactly what I did. I always wanted to be a nurse & with encouragement from my husband, I went to Nursing School. Jill is younger than I was when I returned to school, so it can be done. There is nothing in the world as great as accomplishing something like that,when for a number of years, for whatever reason, you though it was out of the question. A number of my classmates also had children, but they were motivated & did great.

Anonymous said...

It really seems to me that a great number of bloggers were impressed with Derick,I know I was. I don't think they will follow in the Senior Duggars' footsteps. This will be a huge change in Jill's life. Jill always seemed to be the family spokesperson, when it wasn't Jim Bob, (people always mentioned she drank the most Kool-aid.) I wonder how she will adjust to a completely new lifestyle? I'd just love to think they will move away & have their own lives, but wonder if that's too much to ask, considering her background. I'm amazed that this is the person that Jim Bob thought was perfect for Jill (at least long distance, he did) I wonder if he's having any second thoughts. I never thought he let a daughter have a husband that was educated, could provide for Jill on his own, etc. I thought he'd want someone more like Ben that might need help from JimBob with jobs, a home, etc. He won't be able to keep Derick under his thumb.

Leigh Ann said...

She could go to nursing school, that would be great. There are lots of non-tradition students in college and lots in nursing school. She just has some brainwashing to undo first.

Anonymous said...

I believe Derick is more mainstream than Jim Bob originally thought. I'm sure he's probably dated a few different girls,most college guys have. This episode really shows with glaring clarity how sheltered the Duggar young women have been. Jill really is acting like a young teen (or even tween) because she's had no other experiences. It's a disgrace what Jim Bob & Micheel have done to their kids. They only know what to do when their parents tell them what to do. She may be 22 and he a couple of yrs older but they are light-years apart

hello said...

I really don't think Jill will go any further with her education. She will get married and the baby countdown will begin. I would be surprised if she continued being a midwife after she gets married. She has been trained to be a wife and mother. She has had plenty of practice growing op with taking care of her siblings, cooking and cleaning.

KitKath said...

Regarding how Jill and Derick met, I think the TLC/Duggar camp is lying about the whole silly "prayer partner" thing. The more likely scenario is that Jill and Derick stumbled upon each other online (Derick contacted the Duggars twitter, the girls were trolling for hot "religious" guys, etc.,) Jill told JB she liked him (or other way around,) and somehow they devised the plan that the men would be "prayer partners." Really, though, Jill was just talking to him the whole time. I find it hard to believe that Derick went to great lengths to simply become prayer partners (what in the world does this mean, anyway) with JB, someone he seems to have nothing in common with. Derick was then prepped by TLC producers/Duggars for how they proceed. Wouldn't it be interesting to ask the Duggars what you REALLY wanted to know, and have them REALLY answer, instead of the inane "How do you go shopping?" questions?!

Anonymous said...

These girls are so naive ,it worries me that they have no alone time with the young men there courting ,because they could get in a domestic violence situation , i woul hate this to happen to naive girls or any lady out there

Anonymous said...

So Jill's first boyfriend will automatically be her husband? Beyond creeeeepy! She has the maturity level of a 14 year old (all the older girls do). God help these girls as they grow older and their parents die off. In 25 years they will be thinking what the heck kind of life have we had?! Babysitters of their siblings to wives to mothers with nothing in between.

Anonymous said...

I think it would be cool if, after they're married, Derrick says NO to TLC's involvement in their lives. How great if they could just ride off into the sunset and live their lives free of the cameras. What could JB do?

geistmadl said...

Pretty sure Jill is playing the Jimboob game just enough to get her out ofnhisbhome. I agree that Derrick is not a prayer partner. They met a different way but not through prayer.

Anonymous said...

What kind of a relationship Jim Bob had with his "prayer partner," I don't know. There really hasn't been any information about that.Just suddenly he had a "prayer partner." Don't know if this is his only, "prayer partner." I would it would be someone involved with missionary work. I never heard him mention anything like that in regard to the man they knew, that did missionary work in South America. They all went there a few times & did the big Christmas Festival. Jim Bob shouting at the people(that appeared frightened)"Grande Festival!" Really showing off,

Rudy Tecat said...

Wow...a 60 minute episode! I hope we don't have to wait until the end of the show just to find out what this mysterious question is. I don't think I could wait that long.

Just me said...

So, this may be paranoid, but I wonder if the fact that Jill was pursuing her training had to do with JB deciding to introduce her to Derick. Derick and JB were prayer partners and talking on a regular basis for a long time before he introduced Jill. It seems to me that between needing the ratings, proving that he isn't squelching the girls' marriage possibilities and the bonus of marrying Jill off and most likely having her pregnant and no longer working in the big bad world were all factors.

Csnee317 said...

The more I read these comments today the more I am agreeing with whoever first said that the whole prayer partner thing is BS. These girls are all pretty. I'm sure Derick is not the first guy to reach out and want to date/court one of them. I don't get what would make a mainstream, college educated 25 year old man want to be a "prayer partner" with JimBob Duggar. I too think the girls probably found him online and begged and pleaded with Dad to reach out to Derick so Jill could get involved with him.

Stephanie said...

Me too. They are suited for each other. Overseas ministry etc. I'm glad he went to college and he's old enough to really know what he wants.

Ben is different story. He goes to community college so there is SOME interest on education. But he can't get married and support Jesse and a baby while attending college. (He could but we know how hard that would be)
in the mean time lets pretend Ben wants to finish college in four years. Is he really going to court a girl and side hug her for FOUR YEARS?
Jessica is so cold and doesn't know how to be a girlfriend at all. She can't even say a kind word to the boy. Its weird.
sorry for my auto correct on my phone, it won't type the Duggar odd spelled names.

Anonymous said...

Since when is two guys getting a shave worthy of national television programming? And how sad that JoyAnna has been "promoted" to be the family mini-loaf breadmaker. It would at least have been nice to have her mother teach her the art of bread making, but that would have required Jinger teaching Michelle first. So is Hannie now in training to take her place as one of the older girls? She was sitting there with the older girls when they did video conferencing with Jill et al in Nepal.

Willow said...

I thoroughly enjoyed the Nepal episodes. So different. I love travel shows anyway. I thought it was very interesting to see Jill in the birthing center. What would have been more interesting than the shave? We all have our issues with the Duggar parents and that will never change. I thought it was interesting to see J&D however, I was disappointed they didn't show something about what Derick has been doing over there or at least talk about it a little. Guess that would take away from the Duggars. Sad. Derick seemed nervous to be on camera - thank goodness!! He seems to be really real. He was scared to death to ask Jill to court. JB showed himself but I thought it seemed like he was trying to rein it in a little.

Anonymous said...

I loved it when Jill was in the taxi pulling away, she held out her hand and Derrick grabbed it for a moment. A little rebellion Jill?? Take THAT courtship rules!

Leslie said...

"I loved it when Jill was in the taxi pulling away, she held out her hand and Derrick grabbed it for a moment. A little rebellion Jill?? Take THAT courtship rules!"

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I saw something different myself. Yes, Derick offered his hand, but I saw Jill sort of grab his arm just above the wrist instead. My mom and I were rolling our eyes watching that (Among plenty of other things...)! And as my mom said, I'm surprised Jim Bob didn't rush to get out and help Jill down so there wouldn't be any contact! Surprised he even let them sit next to each other during the ride!

Anonymous said...

The shave... sitting in the chair wincing..."I wish that Michelle was here to hold my hand"...Seriously, JimBob?
Does she hold his hand during his haircuts and nail trims too? They're raising a lot of soon-to-be adults....isn't it time to man up and lead by example?

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed this episode right up to the sling shots. Michelle has absolutely no idea how to interact with her children. TLC should stop setting up these fake "one on ones". Michelle and the chosen child - first Jeremiah and Jessa and now James, seem so uncomfortable. That says volumes for the relationships she has with her children.

Allison said...

There wasn't much that I didn't like about this episode, except for Jill whole "I had no idea he was going to ask me to court!" bit. I was like REALLY?! You flew 8,000 MILES! What did you think was going to happen when he said "I have something to ask you." Lord almighty. First Jinger with her whole "I had no idea Ben was going to ask Jessa" and now this. I mean, either these girls are lying or they are stupid.

Derick definitely seems pretty touchy-feely or at least is trying to. He was touching Jill's back in almost every interaction, which I think says a lot. I think it shows that they really want to have more physical interaction but have this inane rule that they are trying to live up to for appearances sake.

I'm still curious about where Ben and Jessa are going to go. They've been courting for almost 9 months and still no engagement. I think this might be a record for "their kind." But I just can't imagine them getting married right now. Ben is a BABY.

Pecansandie said...

I think the reason they didn't discuss what Derick was doing in Nepal was because of the animosity of the Maoist government towards missionaries.

Anonymous said...

Although I know it was set up for Jill & Derick to met in person, I was very disappointed that they never even discussed anything bout his work there. You would think that since the Duggars are so interested in missionary work, they would have at least had some conversation on film about that, even if they didn't show the area where he works.
Re; Michelle & the slingshot with James. How ridiculous. She doesn't have a thing in common with the kids and it showed with glaring clarity.
Jim Bob saying he wished he had Michelle there to hold his hand. He travels all the way to Nepal & makes a stupid remark about a shave. He's almost 50 yrs old.

Danielle said...

Leslie said...
"I loved it when Jill was in the taxi pulling away, she held out her hand and Derrick grabbed it for a moment. A little rebellion Jill?? Take THAT courtship rules!"

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I saw something different myself. Yes, Derick offered his hand, but I saw Jill sort of grab his arm just above the wrist instead. My mom and I were rolling our eyes watching that (Among plenty of other things...)! And as my mom said, I'm surprised Jim Bob didn't rush to get out and help Jill down so there wouldn't be any contact! Surprised he even let them sit next to each other during the ride



She's talking about the time when JIll and JB were leaving Nepal and as the taxi was driving away Jill stuck her hand out the window and Derick reach out and they held hands a a couple seconds. I couldn't belive that she had done that LOL. But yes the time when he helped her out of the truck she held on to his wrist.

sandi said...

This could have been a better episode.I was looking at all the colorful purses behind Jill,and so hoping she would grab one for each of her older sisters! And a small change purse and hanky for the younger girls would have been nice.We didn't really get to see what she picked out.
I thought Jim Bob had bad manners on the 'cab' ride.(I can't recall what they called the little trucks).He made it sound like the kiss of death,when really it was just very frugal transportation for only 20 cents.Can't beat that.It wasn't the driver's fault the road was bumpy.I hope the driver couldn't understand English and Jim Bob's insult.
I was somewhat aghast at Michelle's comment about shooting crabapples at cars when she was younger,and realizing she could have caused an
accident.Really,she worries over mowing the lawn in a bikini when she did things like that?!

Anonymous said...

Did anyone catch the statement JimBob made to Derrick when they were leaving? He said that they were "going to bless his work". I think that means Derrick is out for a donation from JimBob. Tacky, IMO.
What are JimBob and Michelle going to give then for a wedding gift? Does he have to give Derrick a dowry for her? I bet he's not opening the wallet; they will get Grandma Duggar's free house to start out. Wait and see.

Anonymous said...

Jill does act a lttle silly but I would take that over Jessa's cold detachment. I personally happy for Jill and Derrick and maybe he can show her more or the real world. DC seems to be working for Josh and Anna. They actually went to a mainstream movie!

Allison said...

"DC seems to be working for Josh and Anna. They actually went to a mainstream movie!"

Mom's Night Out may have mainstream actors but it's hardly a mainstream movie. It's from the same director/producer that did October Baby, the anti-abortion movie. It's definitely a Christian movie.

3 Kids and Not Counting said...

Oh! The courtship thing is so awkward and hard to watch! From what I understand, you court so that you can decide if you want to get married. But Jill had to evaluate Derick before courting him. So two adults have to decide if they want to marry each other so that they can enter into a courtship so that they can decide if they want to marry each other? Oh my goodness the pressure of it all! The way J&M have their girls meet boys is nothing short of a modern day arranged marriage. The boy has to ask Jimbob if he can start any type of relationship with a daughter.

And another thing, my parents were happy for me when I got engaged. But Jimbob and Michelle act like teenage girls about the courtships. These girls are still fairly young in my opinion. The wonderful thing about dating is it can go on for a while and no one says anything. You can date for 2-3 years and then get engaged when you feel the time is right. These girls court for a few months at the most and then rush into marriage. I feel like J&M pressure them to get married. I started dating a guy at 18 and we dated for six years. My parents never asked us when we were getting married or asked why we hadn't gotten engaged yet. The girls are young and immature and the boys are young and may not be able to support a family financially.
The girls like a boy and J&M are smiling all weird and saying "I think there's love in the air." Really? And every night Jimbob asks Jill "Where's this relationship going?" That is so much pressure! I am sure it would be so hard to break off a courtship after all the fuss the parents make over it.

Anonymous said...

I love Derick! I think he is mature and down to earth. I am so excited about his and Jill's courtship. I really think they will be missionaries to a foreign country and Jill will be a midwife. And that they will have only a few children. I could be wrong but I hope not. Derick is definitely more "worldly" and I am sure has dated other girls. I don't think he is really of the quiverful mindset. Which makes me wonder why he would court someone who is.

Duggar Fan but Losing Interest said...

If Princess Jill and her daddy went to all that effort to travel around the world for this guy, why would she be surprised/stunned when he popped the courtship question? Jill is like a teen with her first crush but somehow I think it will work out for them, especially if she's able to see more of the world than just Duggarland.

I don't see Jessa & Ben as a couple, more like a publicity stunt for ratings to "keep up with the Bateses". Ben is way too young to consider marriage anytime soon and too full of teenaged hormones to settle for side hugs for the next 4 years.

Looks like Joy-Anna had a nice mother-daughter bonding time learning to bake bread -- too bad it wasn't actually her mother she was bonding with. "Barefoot, pregnant & in the kitchen" isn't every girl's dream. Joy-Anna is not a domestic type (neither is Jessa, in my opinion) but they are being crammed into the perfect Suzy Homemaker stereotype.

Michelle looks bored out of her mind with these one-on-one times with the kids. Sort of like a whiny kid's "do I have to?" attitude when told to do chores instead of playtime. As a contrast, I think I'd like to see a sister-mom do one-on-one time and see how the kids react to their love & attention.

Anonymous said...

I like Jill, but I can't help but see a giggly 13 year old instead of a 22 year old woman who is about to marry. Any 22 year old certainly isn't totally grown up yet either, but Jill is lightyears behind those young women who actually work, have their own place and pay their own bills, topped off with their own life experience. Also, someone needs to coach the Duggar children on public speaking and speaking on camera... has anyone noticed the changes in speed in their sentences? I can't understand what they say as they run quickly over some words, then slow down over and over.. it's childish and annoying..Especially Jessa, (college, career, whatever, like, you know). High school teens speak like that from jr high on up. None of them are anywhere ready for marriage. They DO need daddy to tell them when to breathe and who to sleep with.

Leigh Ann said...

" but Jill is lightyears behind those young women who actually work, have their own place and pay their own bills,"

Or at least went off to college (whether in the dorm or living at home) and had the freedom to make their choices and their own friends. Even though Jill is taking her midwife classes she has a sister right there to make sure she only does family approved things. One of these kids is going to go wild and end up in real trouble from a lack of decision-making skills and just plain freedom.

Anonymous said...

I actually really liked this episode. I thought that Jim Bob surprisingly gave them a lot of space and he wasn't as invasive as he normally is. I really like Derick and I almost cried at how sincere and sweet he was when he asked Jill to court. I wish nothing but the best for them, hey are my fav Duggar couple and I think their marriage will truly be dynamic. I have heard several rumours about Jana possibly courting a boy named Jack, and Jinger courting a bog named Jonathan? Has anyone heard any updates on this? Could see it very well being true as Jinger was seen teaching Joy to make bread now because it was her time to step up. Also Johanna was seen hanging with the older girls for the first time ever. After all, Jim Bob did say it was "open season…………"

Anonymous said...

This is a silly thing but Michelle & the slingshot with James they like left the cups out side i hate trash in my yard but to go inside and leave the cups of water that you used the slingshort to hit with Michelle , My dad and mo would throw a fit if we left trash in thw yard like that

Leigh Ann said...

Jim Bob seemed a little different without Michelle around. I wonder if Michelle is the one who is so gungho about always being between the couple and ribbing them about what they can't do yet. When Jim Bob was sitting between them for the Skype call he said he was just playing with them and then let them sit together. And he kept a distance behind them when they were walking at one point and didn't hover when Derick asked the big question. Michelle dated other boys before and she says she and Jim Bob went a little further than she now thinks she should have. I think she's been made to feel so guilty about all that that she's really projecting it onto her kids and going a little overboard with them. I know Jim Bob talks about how Michelle had other boyfriends. I think she feels really terribly guilty about that and this is how it's playing out with her own kids. They're never going to be allowed to go off by themselves or anything but Jim Bob wasn't being nearly as between them as Michelle is. Even in the tuk tuk when he sat on the bench opposite and said he was keeping an eye on them he really sounded like he was kind of joking. He knew he didn't have to be sitting in front of them staring at them to keep them in line.

Leigh Ann said...

I think James needs an actual target. Maybe they'll find one on one of their Goodwill trips. In the meantime, they should have picked up the cups to take them in.

Anonymous said...

Michelle, is going more than a little overboard with her girls because of her "baggage." So she dated before she met Jim Bob. That's the key right there, it was, before she became, a "Born Again Christian." I guess, when you know better you do better. How bad could her past be that she has inflicted this quilt on her daughters? They both say they were virgins when they married. She has also said she dated other boys before Jim Bob, not that she went too far with them. For God's sakes lady you've been married for 30yrs, get over it.

Anonymous said...

ow "far" could have 15 yr old Michelle have gone when Jim Bob was her first "car date". She stated this in an earlier web write-up. She was a normal 1980s high school girl, who was a cheerleader, hung out with her girlfriends, sleepovers, movies, clothes etc. She had some "PG" rated dates until she was 16 and met Boob. Although I can't stand the woman with how she is now, I'm sure her teenage life was somewhat innocent, but age appropriate. The real shame in all of this is that she recalls those times with fondness,when visiting her friend, Cindy, yet she bars her own daughters from anything remotely like that. They don't know what it is to go to school, let alone high school with peers, even Christian school, hang out with friends, the mall, lunch out and learning how to build appropriate relationships with guys slowly. They know absolutely nothing...That is the shame of it, and I think Anna wants to be just like Michelle.

Anonymous said...

They really need to address why Jessa and Ben were treated so differently than Jill and Derrick were. They will obviously say that the courting rules are made up by the couple, but how can that be logical or even doable when they "trained their children for instant obedience from birth"? Their kids would be unable to decide anything that diverts from their parents' beliefs. These are young adults who are incapable of thinking for themselves; hence they will have a hard time learning how to do so at this late stage of life...they will be relying on their husbands for every decision, (and I think Jill will do this with Derrick, and that will annoy him in a short time), or the boys will still be asking JB to decide for them. Their belief system is absolutely inane.It also sets women back 150 years. Woman have prayed and even died for some ability to regulate their reproductive life and to have some power over their own lives. Michelle should hang her head in shame for that. That is the cold hard truth of their belief system. It has nothing to do with God. He loves an independent woman just as much as a married one.

hello said...

I believe they made up the courtship rules because of Michelle's past. She dated other boys before Jimboob came along and saved her, and he won't ever let her forget it. He just had to bring Michelle's dating past up when Josh and Anna came to the house after they became engaged. Part of growing up is learning how to think for yourself, making mistakes and learning from them. The kids are trained from birth how to think and what to think, but are never allowed to think for themselves or make their own life choices. The girls will go from their parents making their decisions to their husbands doing it.

Beth Anne said...

Re: "The kids are trained from birth how to think and what to think, but are never allowed to think for themselves or make their own life choices."

Totally agree. And I don't know what worries me more...the girls going from mom and dad making the choices to their husbands making the choices, or the young Duggar men suddenly being put in charge of wives and children with little experience in real-world decision making. Josh was lucky in that Daddy set him up with a car lot and that the TLC-driven celebrity status landed him a cushy job, but what about the younger ones? Jim Bob and Michelle always try to play up how self-sufficient the kids/boys are - aka, they help clear out houses, build our own home, do tow truck work, etc. - but NONE of these things are paths they have chosen for themselves, and even their sisters pack their luggage and cook for them (with grandma during their laundry).

Scary

Leigh Ann said...

You don't even have to school to hang out with friends. These kids aren't even in a youth group where they might go bowling or out to eat or to the movies with a big co-ed crowd. Michelle said Josiah's graduation party was so big because he's outgoing and has a lot of friends. Where is he meeting friends? I know he went to Alert and the the girls go to that conference/retreat thingy but those are people from all over the country who you probably aren't going to invite over for a party.

Ginger said...

Re: Anonymous@5/15 5:14 am, comment,about Jim Bob saying to Derick; that they were going to bless his work. I just saw a repeat of that episode & what he said was "you're a wonderful young man, God bless your work." Guess there is no contribution coming from Jim Bob. As always, with the Duggars, they say they will pray for whatever the need is for someone. It's a rare thing to see JimBob open up his wallet.

Anonymous said...

Many have commented on Jill's acting like a gushing 14 year old, and generalizing from there that all of the Duggar girls are stunted emotionally, socially or what-have-you. I actually think this is a Jill thing, period. Can you really see, say, Jana acting this way? The difference was there to see a few years ago when Jana and Jill had their wisdom teeth extracted on the same day. Jana obviously didn't enjoy the experience, but she faced up to it calmly and quietly, as is her custom. Jill, by contrast, was reduced to tears before even getting in the chair, whining to her dad and gripping his hand so tightly he had to wait for the anesthesia to kick in before he could pry loose. She was at least 19, possibly 20, at the time.